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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move to some pros and cons

425
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Speaker 1: about this, So we said, the skeptics have some massive

426
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: problems with this. What are some of the cons Well,

427
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: the first one is fairly obvious. Why are the results

428
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: of testing these M drives consistent? If they if you're

429
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: using a technology that is emerging like this, and you

430
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: have you could lock down the variables, then you should

431
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: get the same results every time, or very similar results. Uh. Yeah.

432
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: And then we also know that they were saying, of course,

433
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: are the biases of the scientists skewing the test? Uh?

434
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: You can read a piece on Forbes about the M

435
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: drive by a seagull, I think, the guy we mentioned earlier,

436
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: and in that you can tell it reads as though Seagull,

437
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: this professor seagull has just had it up to an

438
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: over year and down the street and up the road

439
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: with with this thing, because it sounds like an angry

440
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: person on this um. And he makes some he makes

441
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: some very valid points too. He says, why aren't they

442
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: the same results? How do we know that something else

443
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: didn't come in? But he also said, uh, the guy

444
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: in charge of NASA Eagle Works is no, isn't I

445
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: think the phrase he uses is notorious for his support

446
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: of unorthodox ideas that's great, that's exactly what that group needs.

447
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh and here's another thing we should at least think about,

448
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: is it is it a possibility that these tests were

449
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: somehow compromised? Right? Yeah, yeah, we're because what what we

450
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: mean when we say compromises was there some sort of

451
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: intervening variable that was not found otherwise Like the first

452
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: test that NASA Eagle Works did with feta's engine, I

453
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: believe they they tested it, but they didn't test it

454
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: in a vacuum. So people respond on it by saying, well,

455
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: of course it appears like something's happening. It was somehow

456
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: receiving some input from the surrounding environment. So they responded

457
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: by testing it in a vacuum. But NASA, who I

458
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: feel bad for man because you know, NASA has to

459
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: dodge these overly hype science journalists, I'm sure constantly yes,

460
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: with the BuzzFeed titles, right right, NASA reporters hate this shuttle.

461
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: Find out why? Yeah, they were. They were quick to say, like,

462
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: this organization is not researching a warp drive, because that

463
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: was the headline, right, But that that's not the only

464
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: other con. There's a there's another big con. Right, Well, yeah,

465
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: this this wouldn't in no way be a warp drive. Um,

466
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Speaker 1: it might get people, you know, to the Moon in

467
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: a few hours of it worked, let's say, but you're

468
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: not going to reach the kind of speeds that you

469
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: would need to go warp speed or faster than the

470
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: speed of light. Right. Um, yeah, that that's not gonna happen.

471
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: You won't be able to get to Pluto, let's say,

472
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: just to go out and argue at it that it's

473
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: it is or is not a planet, and then get back,

474
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, the same day. Yeah, and this this has

475
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: been it's got to be disappointing to a lot of people.

476
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: Should read this headline about warp drive, But it's not.

477
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be warp drive the way that Star Trek

478
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: is warp drive. You're not You're not going to some

479
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: infinite velocity. And at this point, even if humanity did

480
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: possess some kind of engine or thing that was capable

481
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: of this sort of propulsion, we do not have the

482
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: material science to build anything that could withstand it. How

483
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: do you how do you move anything else with that drive?

484
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: How does the drive even go that fast? Now we

485
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: would just be shooting an engine by itself into space.

486
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: And maybe it can't. Maybe we find it from an

487
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: alien civilization, and maybe they couldn't build anything that could

488
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: use this as an engine. So maybe, uh, the entire

489
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: story of civilization in this galaxy is people shooting around

490
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: this engine because everything we build around it falls apart.

491
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: Guess what, Well, I think it's time to write a

492
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: short story. That's a pretty good idea, isn't it. Yeah, well,

493
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see if it works out and watch.

494
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: But there are pros. I know it sounds very negative

495
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: right now, but there are pros. Uh, there may well

496
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: be something occurring here because these three groups testing the

497
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: same pretty much the same device have found something, right,

498
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: or they say they found something. There appears to be

499
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: something And perhaps we don't use this device exactly how

500
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: it's built now perhaps uh, you know, like we said,

501
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: perhaps it's nothing and we can just throw it in

502
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: the trash and forget about it. The other people inventing

503
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: it can move on to something else. But if there

504
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: is something there, we could use that as a starting point.

505
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: Right And this, this concept of people accidentally discovering a

506
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: warp drive sounds sounds pretty cool, right, But what I

507
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: think we would end up looking at is uh finding

508
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: a small I don't know, a little discrepancy, a glitch

509
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: in the matrix. That's how a lot of big things start. Right.

510
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: We see that waters tends to bend light. We see

511
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: these tiny things in the world around us, and if

512
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: we can just obsess over them enough and ask the

513
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: right questions, then eventually we can arrive um at amazing realizations.

514
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: And and there's there's something inspiring in that. But let's

515
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: be honest, and I know our family show, but let's

516
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: be honest, that's a huge pain in the ass. Yeah,

517
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: it's a lot of time, and it's a lot of money,

518
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: and we'd like to know what you guys think about it.

519
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: If you'd like to hear some more technical information about this,

520
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: then we are have good news for you because our

521
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: friends over at Forward Thinking, UM, all three of whom

522
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: have made an appearance on our show at some point

523
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: or another. That is true. Yeah, so the same the

524
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: same crew, Joe, Jonathan and Lauren Uh. They have an

525
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: episode on the M Drive right now that you can

526
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: go check out as well. UM, we hope you enjoy it.

527
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: We have some other stuff like we talked about and

528
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: sloptic energy and radionics and we talked a little bit

529
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: about jade Helm. But before we go, we would like

530
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of listener mail. Our first

531
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: message comes from Marty and he says, Hi, Matt and Ben,

532
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: have you ever done a show on televisions and other

533
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: equipment in our homes and their ability to spy on us?

534
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: I think I've watched most of your shows and I

535
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: don't remember one on that. Please forgive me if I

536
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: missed it. Oh, sir, You're forgiven either way. Do not.

537
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: You do not need forgiveness from us for any reason,

538
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: but please watch the rest of our videos. Okay, So,

539
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: as I'm typing this, I'm also wondering about the newer

540
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: vehicles and their surveillance abilities. Oh, he's putting stuff together,

541
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Martina's or is that the stuff they don't want us

542
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: to know. We all know that our phone and emails

543
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: and texts are being watched by the powers that run

544
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: our lives and dictate what we can or cannot do

545
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: or have, all for the security of the corporation we

546
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: live in. Or maybe it's just for the security of

547
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: the elite that runs the corporation we live in. Yeah,

548
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: that sounds more like it. I like this Marty guy,

549
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: he's interesting. Uh anyway, just something to think about. Keep

550
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: up the good work as long as the powers that

551
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: be allow you to do so well. So uh, you know, Marty,

552
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I I think that's a very good point because this

553
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: is something that we've talked about for and Matt. You know,

554
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: this is a huge there's a huge soap oox for me.

555
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: What what do you have? I don't want to well,

556
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: I will just say that I have not upgraded my

557
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: television for a long time since since smart TVs have

558
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: been around. I've got tape on my front facing camera

559
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: on my phone. Um, I'm terrified about my vehicle being

560
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: made in two thousand four, which is I think right

561
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: around the the pass the cutoff date for when your

562
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: car can be hacked easily. Um. So yeah, I live.

563
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: I live in this guy's world. I understand what Marty's saying, Like,

564
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: it's it's scary how much surveillance occurs on each human

565
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: being at all times. You're the good news is your

566
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: car can your car specifically that I think could only

567
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: really be hacked if someone had direct access to the ECU.

568
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: They'd have to plug in. Yes, it's in that weird

569
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: middle ground. Yeah, with the e C you can be hacked.

570
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: But yeah you can't like the new Mercedes, you couldn't

571
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: somehow remotely get into the computer. I hope. Um, wait

572
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: till check out the stuff at def Con. Right, that's

573
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: usually find that out. And we've done some episodes on

574
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: hacking here at how stuff works in general. We've done

575
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: some episodes on car hacking. Here is the here. Here's

576
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: why this is such a great and frightening point, Marty,

577
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: because the you'll remember, maybe I don't know how old

578
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: or young you are, but you you probably remember how

579
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: for years people would say this is paranoia. Who could

580
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: possibly be that important that we would do that? And

581
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: that makes a little bit more sense before the age,

582
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: before the computer age, honestly, because back during for instance,

583
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: back during uh the civil rights era, right when people

584
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: agitating for equal rights as human beings in the US

585
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: were doggedly pursued with wire tapping and with letter tampering

586
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: and things like that. That took concerted physical effort. But

587
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: what happened to you to be in the room next

588
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: to the person having a meeting and literally tapped through

589
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: the wall. Right, Yeah, you had to find agent, You

590
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: had to have feet on the ground, and even if

591
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: you were in the headquarters, you were still like mailing

592
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: people stuff and making making phone calls on landline phones.

593
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: What what I'm saying here is that we encountered a

594
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: gift and accursive sorts as a as a species in

595
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: the AGA, in the computer age, the cost of information,

596
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: and let's measure that by the money it takes you

597
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: to send a message somewhere or the time it takes

598
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: for that message to travel. Both of those reduced. Is

599
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: now it is now cheaper to talk to anyone than

600
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: it has ever been for and maybe ever will be again.

601
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: But with that means it's cheaper too. It's easier to

602
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: maybe that'd be a better word. It's easier to collect

603
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: more stuff. You don't have to wait and intercept physical mail.

604
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: You just have to have a shunt in a room,

605
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: in a cell phone or an I s P provider, right,

606
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: and that and that shunt goes directly to a collection

607
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: warehouse somewhere, And it's just hoarding that people might not

608
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: ever look at information hoarders. Yeah, I would love to

609
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: see there's like one episode and then we would get canceled.

610
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: But but this this thing is it's not as it's

611
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: not as crazy as so many people one wanted it

612
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: to sound. And and Marty, you might I think you

613
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: might enjoy how many of the people who said this was,

614
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, some bizarro dystopian fantasy now have all of

615
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: a sudden switched so quickly to say, oh, yeah, well

616
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: everybody knew that. Yeah, you when you were the ones

617
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: saying it was crazy. But that's just you know, that's

618
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: a cognitive dissonance, right. Sure, people are very good, uh,

619
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: people are very good curators of their memories, especially at

620
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: the times when they they wish they had done something different.

621
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: But but we see this happening in video game consoles.

622
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's an excellent question about cars because

623
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: the monitoring for cars is going to increase at a

624
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: faster pace than many other things, partly because it's going

625
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: to catch up to current technology, and partially because there

626
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: is a the push toward autonomous cars means they're gonna

627
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: leap frog over a lot of earlier surveillance technology. Um,

628
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: partially for insurance purposes, a lot of it. Did you

629
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: see that article, um, Marty, maybe you saw to the

630
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: there's an article about Google's driverless cars and a number

631
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Speaker 1: of accidents that they've been involved in. Was that three?

632
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: It was eleven? I think oh to one point seven

633
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: million miles traveled, and I don't I don't know if

634
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm completely correct, but I leave I believe that one

635
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: million of those miles approximately were done completely driverless, and

636
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: I think seven of the accidents happened during that time.

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Speaker 1: But it never ever was it the autonomous cars fault.

638
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: There was a person. There's always like another driver on

639
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Speaker 1: the road where I know at least three times it

640
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: was the laws that in states that allow for autonomous

641
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: testing like this, they just to be clear, they do

642
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: still have to have a driver engineer in the car

643
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: sitting in driver's seat. They're just not driving ideally. And

644
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: I guess seven times they tried. No, I'm I am kidding.

645
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: I hope everybody's fine, but but yeah, you're right, Marty,

646
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Speaker 1: And I've got a question for you. We'd like to

647
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: hear back from you on this. Uh do you think

648
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: that will be eventually illegal to drive a car manually?

649
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: And if so when? Wow? Will it ever be illegal

650
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: to have the camera on whatever device you're working on,

651
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: like your computer or your television taped over it turned

652
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: off whatever be illegal to not have it on. Will

653
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: you get fined if you close your eyes? Right? Black

654
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: mirror reference? All right, we'll do one more letter because

655
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: I apparently had to go on a monologue. All right,

656
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: So Jimmy from l A writes to us and says, hey,

657
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Speaker 1: Ben and Matt, thanks for the outstanding work. Let's address

658
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: Jade Helm fifteen. As a former soldier, joint operation training

659
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: was common, usually conducted every six months. The reason for

660
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: the training was to get multiple units to communicate a

661
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: maneuver effectively during tactical operations. When I was overseas in

662
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: the early days of Operation Rocky Freedom, I witnessed units

663
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: accidentally shoot each other and moved to unfortified positions under

664
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Speaker 1: the command of brigade commanders. The results were disastrous by

665
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: the loss of American and I Rocky lives. The training

666
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: was supposed to quell officers egos and get them to

667
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: work in unison. Many officers, lieutenant colonels and colonels were

668
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: jocking for general's promotion. The orders from these promotion crazed

669
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: officers was getting many soldiers killed by aggressive operations and

670
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: lack of cooperative playing between the units in the quest

671
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: for advancing their resumes. The paranoia, in my opinion, and

672
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: he's talking about about Jade Helm here was caused by

673
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: the Texas governor giving validation to the right wing conspiracy

674
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Speaker 1: theoristic accusations and the dispatch of the National Guard a

675
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: waste of taxpayer money. Again, thanks for the show, Keep

676
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: up the good work. Best regards, Jimmy from l A.

677
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: And he has a PS question too. He says, is

678
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: the new format for the new year, uh to make

679
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: less traditional videos, more logs and podcasts. Oh okay, Well,

680
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: so that's really interesting to get that insight. And like

681
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: we were saying at the top of the show, we

682
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: were getting all kinds of insights from different, uh, different perspectives. Um.

683
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: That is something I've never thought about before. The internal Um. Yeah,

684
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Speaker 1: the competition amongst military members. M hmm. You know, I

685
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: I completely get this too. We know that there is

686
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: a huge necessity for these kinds of things, but I

687
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: don't know if a lot of people think about what

688
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: would happen if you just had a poorly trained military

689
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: just dropped off in some place, given a tank, given

690
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: some more armored vehicles. In this city, we've seen some

691
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: examples of that with different groups Um, I don't. I

692
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: don't know what you would label them, either label them

693
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: insurgents or freedom fighters depending on which side drawn. But

694
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: small small armies that are made up of people who

695
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: are just fighting in let's say their hometown and their

696
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: home state, UM, like in everywhere, like all over the

697
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: we've been seeing it more and more. Unfortunately, UM, we're

698
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: or you just have people with weaponry that perhaps are

699
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: not trained with that weaponry and we'll see accidents or

700
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, an RPG goes off in the friendly fire,

701
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: or have we just been hearing more about it? Um?

702
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: And also Jimmy, I I am on the same page

703
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: with you at least about the cause of the paranoia

704
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 1: regarding jade Helm. Again, I don't know what's going to happen,

705
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what kind of exercises are going

706
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: to be conducted and what the effect is going to

707
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: be on the local population right when if you drive

708
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: somewhere and the roads are closed or something. But I

709
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: do see, I do see point here to respond to

710
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: with the Texas National Guard. That's what That's what Jimmy's

711
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: mentioning in his letter. If you guys recall in our

712
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: videos in our audio about Jade Helm. We talked about

713
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: the the relative autonomy of the Texas military forces, right

714
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: and the national card being called in made some people

715
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: feel that the state level governance of Texas did not

716
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: trust the federal level governance of the US. But then

717
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: I think there was somebody who it was either on

718
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: YouTube or email it also written in and said, well,

719
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: this is part of a normal reserve operation. They're they're

720
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: mobilized to be on reserve the same way they would

721
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: be if something was actually going down. So I'm I'm

722
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: not sure which, I'm not sure which it is, but

723
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from some listeners on that. And

724
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: that I've got to toss the question to you regarding

725
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: the uh question about less traditional videos, more vlogs, et cetera. Okay, Yeah,

726
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: so our show has been evolving ever since it's come out.

727
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: It's very different from our first CFR episode anything. It's

728
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: always a work in progress. Oh yeah, sure, and and

729
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: we're trying to make improvements. That's really what we're doing.

730
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: We're listening to feedback, We're kind of seeing what works

731
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: and what does in our on our end, and you know,

732
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: I think we're coming up with a a better version

733
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: of our show right now. Yeah, we're also we've we've

734
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: still got the not just the classic episodes, but we've

735
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: been looking at case by case basis stuff too, Like

736
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: there's some stuff that where the story is better told

737
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: to the old format. Uh, there are a few things

738
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: that sometimes for ethical considerations, we are not going to

739
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: do as an old as an old style format thing

740
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: like there's um there, you know there there's some very

741
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: messed up things in the world that are better suited

742
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: as an audio podcast perhaps, yes. And and also there

743
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: are several things that we've tried to cover that we

744
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: just can't find footage for um. And you know, rather

745
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: than make an episode that just has stock images all

746
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: over it from videoblox or somewhere else. Um, we we

747
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: think it works better, um when it's kind of told

748
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: like a story. Yeah, and we we know that there's

749
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: we see the division sometimes on on YouTube comments especially,

750
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: and we we appreciate the support as we move forward.

751
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: I think you know, the first the first couple of

752
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: blogs we did, we're well intentioned, but we'll see frs.

753
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: You know, that's what we do. Yeah, and we're still

754
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: learning and hopefully we're learning stuff that is worthwhile for

755
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: this show. This time we talked about another current event

756
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: which we're going to have to come back and check

757
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: on when we hear some of the final verdicts about

758
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: the e M drive. Um, it might disappear from the

759
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: news for a few years the way it did in

760
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: when the Chinese team first reported it. But it might

761
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: turn out to be of halfways stars or oh or

762
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: just a very simple variable that we missed. But I'll

763
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: tell you one thing that so fascinates me about all

764
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: this stuff. Man, I'm one of those suckers for that

765
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Sagan speech. I'm totally on board about going to the stars.

766
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: I would sign up, and you know, I knew Mars,

767
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: the Mars one thing was probably going to be a scam.

768
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: But did I apply? Yeah? I did. And I thought

769
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Speaker 1: it was a very awkward conversation to have with like

770
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: family or dating partners to say, um, oh, hey, what

771
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm signing up for a one way

772
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: trip to space? Oh all right, well then I'll just

773
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: you know, right, yeah, I guess I'm going to Moms

774
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: by myself. But but yeah, I I think that it

775
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 1: is an important thing for humanity to do. I don't

776
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: know if it will occur in our lifetimes or even

777
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: even if we'll have a colony on the moon. But um,

778
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I keep a sharp eye on anything that might further

779
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: that goal. What about you, man, what do you think

780
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: about this whole engine? I am hopeful, I mean this

781
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: this engine, I don't I don't think much is gonna

782
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: come out of it. But I am hopeful though that

783
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: either the some of the plasma propulsion systems or some

784
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: other system, including perhaps a space elevator, are going to

785
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: work in combination to get us to a point where

786
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: we can, you know, turn the moon into a death star, right,

787
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: hopefully a lifestyle I don't know, like what it doesn't

788
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: George Lucas owned the rights to the phrase death death star. No, oh,

789
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to beef that and all. Sorry. Yes,

790
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: let's hope the U N Resolutions hold in the moon

791
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: belongs to the people. But as we see, copyright infringement

792
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: is becoming a bigger and bigger deal every day. Cough

793
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: cough tpp cough cough. But this, this brings us to

794
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: know we gotta gonna ask you this question. It's it's

795
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: pretty important. Yeah, please listen up, all right, waiting for

796
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: us here ghost walker, Would you take a one way

797
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: trip to space or to uh to live on a

798
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: different planet? Oh, I thought it was gonna be a

799
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna have an option, okay, or

800
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: or stay here? Yeah? I mean one way, Like I

801
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: how long? How long do I have to go for forever? Yeah?

802
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: One way? What will the amenities be like? There will

803
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: there will be like a town and there will be

804
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: people there who have been selected based on like you,

805
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: their their attractiveness. They will win. Um, the only store

806
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: is hot topic, though, boy, you're you're vaking. Okay. See

807
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I would totally take a one way

808
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: trip into space right now, and that I don't think

809
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: you would, absolutely not, right So I think we're both

810
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: trying to sway you to I just would need more information.

811
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Speaker 1: You're not. You're not. What if you were the first

812
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: person on the planet, you got to land and say

813
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: the thing that would be later there'd be a statue

814
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: of you a selfie stick with an HD camera, a

815
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: space selfie stick. I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I'm

816
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: gonna go with a no. I respect you guys, don't

817
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: miss both of you very much. You're just taking off

818
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: then I thought you were just going to shoot your

819
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: ashes into space. Ben, You know, I like I always

820
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: thinking about that. No, listen, I know that might sound morbid,

821
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: you guys, but I think I would like to save

822
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: up for the whole body, because if I discovered an

823
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: alien floating through space, I wouldn't want to think, Oh man,

824
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: somebody wrapped up all this space dirt. This is frozen

825
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: body of frozen carcass of Yeah, but in a cool

826
00:52:53,480 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: pose like maybe with the guitar. I don't know. It's

827
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: gonna be expensive. It's gonna be my version of a pyramid.

828
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: It's gonna I'm gonna work all my life on that one.

829
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: Hey man, we're here for you if you need anything. Absolutely,

830
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: thanks well let us Thanks so much for listening, you guys,

831
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: and thanks for waging in there. No, let us know

832
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: what you think. Would you take a one way trip

833
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: to space? Would would you hop on a warp drive

834
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: machine if you had no idea? If you'd ever make

835
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: it back? Um and do? And of course, of course

836
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,479
Speaker 1: more importantly, what do you think of this m drive?

837
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 1: Do you think it is uh? I think it's real.

838
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: You think it's bunk? Let us know you can find

839
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: us on Facebook. You can find us on Twitter. Uh,

840
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: let's see, we're all over the place, right, yeah, yeah,

841
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: we're conspiracy stuff. With both of those, you can go

842
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: to Stuff they Don't Want You to Know dot Com.

843
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: And that's the end of this classic episode. If you

844
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: have any thoughts or questions about this episode, you can

845
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: get into contact with us in a number of different ways.

846
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: One of the best is to give us a call.

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