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Speaker 1: Original gangster motherfucking Icy in the building for the Iron

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Speaker 1: Wrap Hors Stereo podcast. I appreciate you coming through, Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is like, yo, your iconic. You're like actually like

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Speaker 1: an icon, like a true icon. Grammy nominated again, you

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Speaker 1: know what trip off this? They just called us today

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Speaker 1: an answers to perform. Wait a second, you guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna perform? Were black and the pre show show the

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Speaker 1: Grammys don't get shown, so you know, when they do metal,

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Speaker 1: when they do hip hop stuff like that, it's usually

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Speaker 1: before the show, but there's still three thousand people in attendance,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it goes out. And now we have

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Speaker 1: the Internet and all that other stuff, so it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really matter. But the simple fact that the Grammys even

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Speaker 1: have my number, you know, they're calling and they're and

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Speaker 1: the and they're excited about it, and I'm like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you talk a lot of shit about all these awards too.

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Speaker 1: You get nominated, you know, you got a lot of

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Speaker 1: fun the Academy what I got, huh. But then the

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Speaker 1: whole thing changes because we all want to be respected

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Speaker 1: for our work. I mean, we try to play the game.

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Speaker 1: We don't care, but you know, if somebody says, Mike,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get an award for your podcast, you feel

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Speaker 1: good about that. You know, You're like, yo, I worked,

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Speaker 1: I'm being recognized, and you know, but we're still kind

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Speaker 1: of in disbelief. But yeah, man, I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: have you ever gotten a nomina Grammy nomination before? No?

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Speaker 1: I want to Grammy? You want to Grammy? Four? Back

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Speaker 1: on the block with Quincy Joe. Okay, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: lie to you because I don't lie. I just kick

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Speaker 1: tack games or some people say why because I'm back

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Speaker 1: in the block. I got my life back. So I

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Speaker 1: screwed the fools about the fast track. I get stacked

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Speaker 1: from the style of my same knee for fantasy to

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Speaker 1: play wade with their feet. But the dude knows the

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Speaker 1: streets ain't no kiddie game. You don't know the dude

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Speaker 1: Quincy's first name. He told me, I keep doing what

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Man, we'll give a damn. The squire don't

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Speaker 1: understand you. Let him tell you what they're saying. What

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Speaker 1: to write. Your whole career be over by to morrow night.

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Speaker 1: And that was kind of cool, you know, but that

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Speaker 1: was Quincy Quincy can get you into anything, right. Quincy

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Speaker 1: can get you into a party in the Hamptons you

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Speaker 1: can't get into, you know, so prinse Quincy. But it

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Speaker 1: was an honor to work with Quincy. I won that

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Speaker 1: with Mellie Male Kumo d and Big Daddy came and

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Speaker 1: I got the Grammy. I actually broke that Grammy in

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Speaker 1: a video just being on some old iced T shirt

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Speaker 1: just you know, just just you know. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's you go through those phases in your career. You

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Speaker 1: this one is different though, because first it's best performance

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Speaker 1: in metal. So you've got a lot of people right

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Speaker 1: now like how is I getting to People are just

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Speaker 1: waking up to body count. We've been out twenty years,

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Speaker 1: so people are like what And it's just it's just odd, man,

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Speaker 1: It's just odd. I mean, I've never really made mainstream music.

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Speaker 1: I'm on the mainstream television show, but my music has

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Speaker 1: always been no radio play, just harsh. What I wanted

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Speaker 1: to say, And for something as distinguished as the Graham

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Speaker 1: needs to turn around and say we're gonna nominate Black Hoodie,

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Speaker 1: which is a song about my friend, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: shot by the cops for no reason, you know, and killed.

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Speaker 1: And you know in the song, we never really attacked

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Speaker 1: It was more about me saying this kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: a real way. It's a Mike, I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just right now. It's it's like it's crazy. It's

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Speaker 1: like the longer I live, the better in my life

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Speaker 1: is getting. It's like things are just it's like I'm

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Speaker 1: bloom I'm a late bloomer. Do you do you think

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Speaker 1: that's crazy? Though, Like, you know, you've been so outspoken

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Speaker 1: about you know, like first when you were rhyming, you know,

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Speaker 1: You you're o gal literally, like what do you make

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Speaker 1: of the dichotomy? Because we have more freedom for anybody

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Speaker 1: to say whatever the funk they want on the internet

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Speaker 1: on fucking videos the president. But then there's also some

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Speaker 1: make like the ship that you were rapping about when

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Speaker 1: you first started, like even like cold like the pimping,

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Speaker 1: don't know what even like where are we at? It's

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like my generation was pussies to the

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Speaker 1: people like my father who smarts in the civil rights days,

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Speaker 1: the front line. So then in their attitude, they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: it's like we had we take less action. You know.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Kanye West said the president don't like

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Speaker 1: black people, and people were like, oh my god, like

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Speaker 1: that was like some really tremendous ship. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, dude. I was out with Public Enemy

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Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. So now if if

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Speaker 1: it's taken as super controversial. Now people like yourself and me,

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Speaker 1: we're angry old men. We're angry old man and they're

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Speaker 1: they call care Arress one, they call public enemy. And

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Speaker 1: my thing is like, we're we need some twenty year

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Speaker 1: old kids to come out and really kick some masks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there was a right now, people say,

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Speaker 1: what does hip hop need? They need a twenty year

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Speaker 1: old public enemy. They need a young sister, they need

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Speaker 1: a young twenty year old Lauren Hill. They need you know,

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Speaker 1: not taking nothing away from Kendrick, taking nothing away from

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Speaker 1: you're an o G to me because you've been there

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Speaker 1: you knew who are you? Motherfucker? You knew you. You

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Speaker 1: just popped up you right for this magazine. I don't

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Speaker 1: know you, like you wasn't around, you know, back in

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Speaker 1: When when the gangs was active pre truce, I mean

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Speaker 1: when it was active where me snoop, none of us

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Speaker 1: was wearing colors, you know, when you would see all

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Speaker 1: and make sure nothing bad. Right. Well, let's start at

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Speaker 1: the worst ship right right now. That's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: Like I I know exactly what the funk you're saying,

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Speaker 1: Like you check to make sure, like everything is we're

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Speaker 1: gonna function through the day. Yeah, because I've gotten fucked up,

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Speaker 1: I've gotten past our president. I I gotten I've realized

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Speaker 1: when you stand and waste up in liquid ship, nobody

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Speaker 1: he's so dirty that it doesn't matter anymore. You see

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Speaker 1: the lowest. That's about the lowest ship you can do. Dude,

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Speaker 1: This fucking Roy Moore. Dude, they're like acting like yo's

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Speaker 1: she was a gang member, ice, she was in the streets.

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Speaker 1: Look look, Mike, let's keep it one hunting. I grew

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Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy man. Listen, you're on a TV show,

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Speaker 1: you know that's the executive bullshit Usually like Peace, that

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Speaker 1: So he understood that I was authentic to an extent. Now,

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Speaker 1: also my image came from Russell Simmons because I used

422
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: to try to dress like New York rappers, like and

423
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: Break in two. I had spikes on like mel Email.

424
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: I gotta remember, I wanted to be a rapper. I

425
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be like New York. There was no West Coast,

426
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: so you figure you gotta be like them. And I

427
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: was at this club called Costa Camino Royale, and uh,

428
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: there were rappers performing and Rush was in the house

429
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: and I was just there on my regular ship. I

430
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: had on like a black leather trench coat and the

431
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: hat and you know, and motherfucker's called me on stage

432
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: and I went up there in my street clothes and

433
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: tore shipped down and Russia was like, that's your image, funk,

434
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: all this hip hop ship. You know you're the l

435
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: A player. You that that ship? Russell Russell told me,

436
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: he says, the costume me ship, Ice, just come, you

437
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: should roll on stage like that. And I did. I

438
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: listened to him Glenn, you know, Glenn Freedman, Glenn Drolt me. Yes,

439
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: Glenn told me take my sunglasses off. He says, Ice,

440
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: you were in the shades and ship. That's cool, But

441
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: have you ever been in the show where motherfucker took

442
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 1: his just looked at you and you felt like he

443
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: was singing to you? He said, you're singing hard, ship,

444
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: make eye contact with the biggest, baddest motherfucker's in there,

445
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: and you running that ship right down. They throat like

446
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: you're murder him right there in that fucking place. And

447
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 1: he says, that's when you're gonna elevate. And I started,

448
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: I now you. I used to come sho the funk up.

449
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: I used to come out, you know, shades, just you know,

450
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: for the for the look, but then you know their

451
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: first song. I'm off now just making that icontact. And

452
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: so I take advice some people. That's very important in

453
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: this game. That's fucking dope. Man. You sucked my head

454
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: up with that ship. You sucked my head up with

455
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: that ship because you know, just the hip hop part

456
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: of it, the eighties hip hop part of your career

457
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: before New Jack City, before you started acting, is like,

458
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, they are Senior Hale Show, the Whatever Show,

459
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: the Funk. I mean, you've been on ever, the field

460
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: fucking Donna Show. I mean like you've been on like

461
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: every do you merv? What year was that? I don't know.

462
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: He leaned forward and he was talking to me and shout.

463
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: I mean it was I mean when you're doing that, like,

464
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: were you like what the fund is going on here?

465
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: You know what I was just I just knew I

466
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: was out of trouble and my boys were all going

467
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: to the penitentiary and they were just like ice. Man.

468
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: You know, you got action, man. You know all the

469
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: player needs is his health and his freedom, man, and

470
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: that's action. And from there you can take it anywhere

471
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: and don't come up in here with us, man. You know,

472
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: white people like you, man, you got action. Now when

473
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: they say white people like them, that's a that's a

474
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: sad thing because they're feeling like we don't have the

475
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: chance to make it. You they're will let you in.

476
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: And if you can get in, you know, now I

477
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: employ all of them, you know. So they were smarter

478
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: than me because I was really kind of like full

479
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: focused street full focused. And I was now as a

480
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: grown man, I know how silly I was because my

481
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: mother my numbers were fucked up, like how much I

482
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: thought I needed to get to be a big you know,

483
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: and I run through that in six months now, you

484
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I'm like, it's just it's

485
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: just being young and and you know, what you think

486
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: is cool and how you know and and all those

487
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: things they read. Just I always tell people, like, go

488
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: back to when you were a teen and tell me

489
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: what percentage of the stuff you thought was correct. I was.

490
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: I was at my dumbest at eighteen. I was literally

491
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: at my dumbest. And and the red one of the

492
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: reason why I was at my dumbest because I thought

493
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: I knew everything right well. I do lectures and I speak,

494
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: and I think I've created I think there's four stages

495
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: of growth, which is infancy where you're just not emvoid,

496
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: adolescence where you fucking think you know everything, Adulthood is

497
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: when you realize everything you thought an adolescence was wrong.

498
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: And there's one more, which I called adult infancy. It's

499
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: when you finally just give up said, I don't know, ship,

500
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't. I can't tell you what's

501
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen tomorrow, you know. So that I think that's

502
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: where we are now with this year, We're all realizing

503
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: we're adult infants. Like everything you think, have no nothing

504
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: has to happen. That goes along with another one of

505
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: my models, which is you don't guide life, you ride life,

506
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: you know, and none of us me you. You You never

507
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: thought to be doing a podcast. I didn't know what

508
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: a podcast was. I never thought I was doing a pocket.

509
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: I never thought I'd be with a podcast with motherfucking

510
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: Iced Teeth. You remember we saw him at U c

511
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: l A. There was like that U c l A

512
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: that fair. We were there with Shawan Higgins. I mean,

513
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: I remember you were iced Tea and you were with

514
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: Darla Darlene, Darlene my son's mom, and I mean you

515
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: were iced Tea and it was just eighties six in

516
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: the summer. You walked right back. I was like, oh shit,

517
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: like you like you know it it was just it was

518
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: just like a late afternoon and it's some fucking fair

519
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: at U C l A. So I never thought, hell

520
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: fucking no. So So going back to what I was

521
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: initially gonna say, like you were saying this crazy time,

522
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: we're like where every with these sexual allegations. You're in Hollywood,

523
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: you're in show business, you're in fucking music business, you're

524
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: in hip hop. You were in the fucking where anything

525
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: goes hip hop, and like you even said, like, you

526
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: know if they look like did you have that moment

527
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: because I've had it fucking the nineties, did I? Oh, yeah,

528
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: you got because you started like a checklist the ghost

529
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: of See passed, you know, like you know what the fuck?

530
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: You know? Like or you also you were and I

531
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: know I've never done no crazy ship like that. That

532
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: never was. They're getting people for saying ship, well, you know,

533
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I think they're more into getting squares because

534
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: they know they know it's not big news to get

535
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: snooped for saying some ship. You know what I'm saying,

536
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: We were kind of like are known for a bunch

537
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: of bullshit, but as far as you know, putting our

538
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: hands on people and all that stuff, I always kept

539
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: the model Iceberry slim where he said a player should

540
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: have a raw sense of sexuality, which puts the nuns

541
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: morality to the test over long exposure. That's pimping. So

542
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: my thing is if you if I hung around and

543
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: none long enough, she's gonna jump my bones. You did.

544
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: I always felt that that was the way to deal

545
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: with women. Let just be fly and eventually they're gonna

546
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: make the move. I'm not. I never want to seem

547
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: like the horny guy. I also feel the guys that

548
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: can't talk touch, you know, they test out. I've been

549
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: around gropy guys like dude, what are you doing? Like

550
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: you can't just you know. So I know that I

551
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: know that get down, but never been my get down,

552
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: you know. But then at the end of the day,

553
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: you can't unwring a bell. God forbid. Somebody that comes

554
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: out and makes an allegation, then you you caught in

555
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: the mix. You know, so and and and today allegation

556
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: is it's like you're guilty. Well, you know, it's an allegation,

557
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: and it's the multiple allegations to get you. So the

558
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: first allegation that don't really stick. But then here it comes,

559
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, fifty like yo, son, Like you know, I

560
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: was kind of like, I wasn't really on Bill Cosby

561
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: like that, but I was like, damn no, son fifty.

562
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: But then I also, you know, and and I'm no

563
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: way condoning Bill Cosby in any form of fashion. But

564
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: then all them ladies was in the room with a

565
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: married man too, So I think maybe that's one of

566
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: the reasons they didn't come out early, because there's a

567
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: little dirt on their situation too. And and a lot

568
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: of times I tell women like, if you put yourself

569
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: in a bad situation in other words, you know you're

570
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: cheating on your man or something like that, well then

571
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: that person knows you don't want to tell so down

572
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: you're putting yourself into a situation. So you know, I

573
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: taught my daughter, I said, you know, never get on

574
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: the elevator. I said, anything, anything that has to happen

575
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: out with a guy can happen downstairs in the bar.

576
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: If you get on the elevator, ain't nothing upstairs but

577
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: the bed, you know. So And people say, well that's

578
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: victim blastly No, no, no, I mean you have daughters,

579
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: you just have to tell them, like, don't get on

580
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: the elevator. If you get on the elevator where you're going, well, where,

581
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: what do you think about? Like you said, like, oh,

582
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: that's victim blame. Like every fucking couple of weeks there's

583
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: this new well that's victim blaming. Like they're like there

584
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: there's new catchphrases it like I don't know what to do, man,

585
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what to do because I think

586
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: it's gotten fucking out. A hand looks at it. If

587
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: you put your hands on a on a on a woman, Yo,

588
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: that's not cool. That's not cool in any way, shape

589
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: or form, you know. But like like are we losing

590
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: our sexuality? Like how do you court a woman? How

591
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: do you approach a Woman's scary? I mean it's scary,

592
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: it's nerve wracking. I'm married. I'm just saying like in

593
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: terms of general shit, I'm I'm I'm glad, I'm married.

594
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Me too, I've never been more happy to be fucking married,

595
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: like out of this fucking ship. Like we're on film sets.

596
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I heard like on some film sets they're like on

597
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: some no hugging shit. I'm like, so if you hug

598
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: a coach star, goodbye, And it's like literally like we've

599
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: hugged every day goodbye, like and I just don't know

600
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: what the do you give like a pound, like a fist,

601
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: pound like arms distance. I mean, you just gotta be

602
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: cautious now. It's it's serious business. And um, you know,

603
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: when you're on a TV show they have this sexual

604
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: harassment seminar, I know you sat the room and it

605
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: says you're not supposed you gotta be caught careful of

606
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: jokes massages like you know, walk up behind some money

607
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: and start giving them a massage. They might not want that.

608
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: You know. Me myself, man, I just stay to myself. Uh,

609
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: on all levels, not just this right now, all this

610
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: TMZ ship. I'm just trying to stay out the way.

611
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to stay out the way I want

612
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: to be acknowledged for work. What I want to be

613
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: knowledge for. I don't need that Sideline press, iced T

614
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: did this, iced T did that because it doesn't add

615
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: up to anything but drama and problems and stuff. So

616
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's just wild. It's it's wild right now. Um,

617
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I don't really know what

618
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: to say about it. I'm lost for words. I'm just like,

619
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, man, listen, and every day somebody else knew,

620
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, I heard. I don't even like say their

621
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: names because then I'm feeding into So it's that bullshit.

622
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy they got us trapped, say somebody, I know.

623
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: It's so you've had You've had chaos in your career

624
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: in terms of like when the body count ship came out,

625
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: you know what, I've heard you talk about it before.

626
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: Was there ever, like in the controversy and the blowback

627
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: from the police and after and after the riots, and

628
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: was there ever a point where you were like, yo,

629
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: I was just trying to like I've taken things too far.

630
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm afraid, like I'm gonna get fucking you know,

631
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna put me in Like I don't know where

632
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: it was unexpected because that was crazy, like the Rolling

633
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: Stone covering that whole time, it was unexpected. Like I

634
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: just thought what I was saying was fair game. As

635
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: far as rock and roll, you know, I I'm familiar

636
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: with Dead Kennedy's, I'm familiar with Black Flag. I'm familiar

637
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: with uh, you know, even millions of Dead Cops. It's

638
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: a band with the name that I was like, No

639
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Cops a fair game. This is rock and roll. You

640
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: don't like the establishment system whatever? Right, black black ill

641
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: to y'all all up. So when they came after us,

642
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: I was, I'm prepared. I didn't. I didn't make that

643
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: record saying, oh yo, they're gonna come after us. I

644
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: as I thought it was a protest record and stuff,

645
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: and uh, it just started to to just like roll

646
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: like he got more and more and more, and uh,

647
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: I think he came at me. I came. I kind

648
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: of feel like I got the Willie Horton treatment, Like

649
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, the cops are under siege right now, so

650
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: let's go after Warner Brothers. Let's go after this record.

651
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the fraternal the police made that record more

652
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: popular that it was over it. It did its curve.

653
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: I sung it on Lollapalooza, but they they were saying, like,

654
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: let's attack iced Tea and it was weird. It was weird.

655
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't advise people to use controversy for publicity because

656
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: it has a blowback. I mean, excuse me. Made it

657
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: hard for us to tour Black balls you in a

658
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: lot of places, um, But we didn't use it wasn't

659
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: our attempt to create controversy. It was our attempt to

660
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: make a statement, and and that you know, some people

661
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: just want to go and say something provocative and just

662
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: get the attention to him. Don't do that. You're gonna

663
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: regret that. That's not the way to do it. It's

664
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: not a publicity stunt if you don't mean it from

665
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: the heart. If you're not willing to stand by it,

666
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: when that ship hits you, you're gonna be sorry you

667
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: did it. You gotta be able to stand by it.

668
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: Did you get caught off guard? When it got so big?

669
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: And like it was like caught off guard. I was

670
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: playing we were my boys were playing Techno Bowl and

671
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: we were playing Technical Bowl upstairs. I'm sitting here watching

672
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: and then the homies downstairs when the studios like yo, ice,

673
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: motherfucker president is on TV talking about you. That's how

674
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: off guard we were. And we changed the channel and

675
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: it was Dan Quail and he was like da da

676
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: da and iced tea, and everybody in this room was

677
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: like oh, ship, Like you know, like oh, And it

678
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: wasn't like Trump, who Mike say, Michael rapping for tomorrow

679
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: that it was like a President Bush, don't say your name,

680
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, You're like, oh, fucking shit. And you know

681
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: the moment a real president does it. You know, Trump

682
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: could say anybody's name, he goes after north stromps the ship.

683
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: But when the real president says your name, immediately you

684
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: get checked out by every bureau, every bureau, ce t A,

685
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, because his next question be what do we

686
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: know about him? It can't be like I think he's

687
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: a blogger or or I think he has a podcast.

688
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: It's got to be his shoe size, is this, his

689
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: blood type, is this? This is who he is, his

690
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: mother's maiden name. That's how the government operates. When they

691
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: run that background check on you, you feel it? So

692
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: how did you feel it? I got a tax audited

693
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: twice in one year. Uh. They came and got my

694
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 1: daughter out of school and questioned her. Um, they wanted

695
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: to find out if I was really a threat to

696
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: Like was I trying to promote cop killing? Was was

697
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: this a movement? Were you like scared? Like, yo, what

698
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: the fuck? I wasn't? What's gonna happen? Like he was

699
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: bugged out. I was more like bugged out because I

700
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't really you know, some cult leader or something.

701
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: It was a song we would pass the song, but

702
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: you know you got ice cream trucks sitting in front

703
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: of your house in the middle of the winter. Ship

704
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: like that they were. They were like watching you. They

705
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: wanted to see. They had to do their due diligence

706
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: on me until they realized I wasn't really a threat

707
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: in that regard. I was just a loud mouth motherfucker

708
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: talking ship, you know. But I wasn't, you know, stocking

709
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: arms or out to really kill any police. Because the

710
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: song cop Killer wasn't even about me. It was about

711
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: a character that I created. I was singing psycho killer

712
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: um by talking heads and rehearsal, and my drummers like, yo,

713
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: we need a cup killer. I'm like why, and he said, yo,

714
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, cops out here, disrespecting motherfucker shot my man

715
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: and his girl the other day. But what if in

716
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: my brain start working, I'm like, what if somebody snapped

717
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: over that ship and out came this character that went

718
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: after him. Wasn't me. But see, one of the things

719
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: about being a rapper, being just a black person. They

720
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: don't think you you possess artistic qualities. It's just everything

721
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: is just simple. It's it's gotta be what it is.

722
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: There can't be any you know, intelligent conversation going on here.

723
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: But it was a protest record about a man that

724
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: I created. This snapped over police brutality wasn't me and

725
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: never I never said let's go cop killing or you

726
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: should kill a cop. It was that particular character, you know,

727
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: just like Black Hoodie isn't a song about it's just

728
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: some song about a situation that happened. You call it

729
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: how you see it, you did so. I kind of

730
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: always like to leave stuff up for the listener to

731
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: make their decisions. Do you think that like cops? It

732
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: goes without saying the majority of the cops are good,

733
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: do you you know? And that they're good people, they're brave,

734
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: they're actual heroes, and and when the ship hits the fan,

735
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the first people that everyone's gonna call

736
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: uh to help. The think of it is is this

737
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: thing of this. I don't hate cops. I never have

738
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: hated cops. I used to be a criminal and the

739
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: cops were the opponent, not the enemy. The opponent. That's

740
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: a different differences of punk. That goes out and he's

741
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: smoking weed on the corner and he gets busted, He's

742
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: like mad at the cops. Yo, you knew that ship

743
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: was illegal. You know cops are doing his job. You know. Now,

744
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: if me and you were about to take down a

745
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: bank over here, we know the cops are in our way.

746
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: They're not the enemy, they're the opponent. We're gonna beat him. Now.

747
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: If we get caught, we cuff up and we play

748
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: law and order. That's how real gangsters operate. It's not

749
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: mad at the police because if it wasn't illegal, there

750
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: would be no profit margin, you understand. So we are

751
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: aware of them. They're an obstacle, but there's no hatred.

752
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: You understand, there's no hatred. So and now I'm legit.

753
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: I don't break the law. I'm square as the pool

754
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: table twice as green, and I need him not to

755
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: tow my car right now. You know what I'm saying.

756
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: But you know, when I was going through it, a

757
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of police came to me and made me understand Ice,

758
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: we know the cops you're singing about, and we don't

759
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: hate the song personally. We know who they are that

760
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: we know them on our force. Other cops took offense

761
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: to it, and you know, can't wait to see me

762
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: fail still to today you know. But when you're Colin

763
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick or you're anybody and you decide you're gonna make

764
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: a statement, a gown something, you gotta be willing to

765
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: take the hit. That's one thing I always tell these people.

766
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: Don't think that your protest comes without resistance. You have

767
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: to be willing to take the hit. That's why you

768
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: get the points. You can't be like, oh, I I'm

769
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: gonna say it and nothing's gonna happen to me. Well,

770
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: then your delusional. You know, if you say something anti gay,

771
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: you're about to get attacked. You. I hopefully you believe

772
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: the bullshit you said, because you you you basically now

773
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: are gonna have to find and I even people says

774
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: in a backtrack, well I didn't mean it. No, I

775
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: never said I didn't mean it. I'm just clarifying the

776
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: position of where the song came from. And you take

777
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: it or leave it. This Kaepernick thing that's been you know,

778
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: it feels like it's been going on for twenty years.

779
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: It's literally just been going on for a year with Kaepernick.

780
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that, um, like, how do you think

781
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: this is gonna end? Like he's winning so many awards,

782
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: he's getting so much technology. I mean, but he's so vilified,

783
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: and you know what it's like to be vilified. People

784
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: forget that. With Mohammed Ali first spoke out, he was

785
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: not the loved. People hated Mohammed Ali. They hated him

786
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: just for changing his name, you know. I Mean. My

787
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: thing with Kaepernick is I didn't know whether to believe

788
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: how sincere he was about it until you know, he

789
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: really stayed down with it. You know, he had the

790
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: big a frow. I'm like, okay, you know, is this

791
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: a stunt? I just wanted to know. I didn't know.

792
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. You know what I'm saying. I

793
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: know you better than I know, dude. So if some

794
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: he said, what Mike's with this, I'll be like, yeah,

795
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: but I know dude, And that's probably his get down.

796
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: So this is a stranger to me. But he stayed

797
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: down with it, and he seems sincere with it. Protests protest,

798
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: that's all it is. Uh basically risked his career to protest.

799
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: Now it turns around, should he get back in the

800
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: NFL and all that, Well, you gotta understand the NFL

801
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: is business, and if I become too controversial for business,

802
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: that'll be politely asked to leave. As for you, there's

803
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: a clause in my contract, and I know you've read

804
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: them before, and it says you cannot bring this credit

805
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: to the network. You've read them, ye, and that's grounds

806
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: to be left. So you can go wild on your podcast.

807
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: But if you're signed to one of those contracts and

808
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: they feel you cross the line, if I go home

809
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: and I would have beat my wife up or something

810
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: like that, or found drunk driving or something hurt somebody,

811
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: law and ordered league Lee can let me go because

812
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm now putting a black eye and NBC's game. I

813
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: think it happened to Homeboy and c S. I uh,

814
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: it happened to um my man, they said, said a

815
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: racial sir Isaiah. Yeah, Isaiah Washington, Yeah, it can happen. Yes.

816
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: So even though you know it seems like I'm speaking

817
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: freely and saying crazy stuff, the moment NBC says iced tea,

818
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: now you're a discredit to the network, that's game over.

819
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: So I respect Colin Kaepernick, I respect all the other

820
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: NFL players that are out there doing what they feel.

821
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you're making that kind of

822
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: money and you're taking the risk to drop to a

823
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: knee because that's how you feel. You gotta respect that.

824
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: You gotta respect that, all right, New York Kipop. I

825
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: remember when the first time I saw you with Kane,

826
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: Like you guys connected, funny story, Tell me give me,

827
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: give me a big daddy Kane, because I remember, like

828
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: it was so like now everything is documented, but like

829
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: I remember, I was like, oh we had I remember

830
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: thinking how the fund did these guys know each other

831
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: just because you were One was in l A, one

832
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: was in New York. Simple we were on the same label.

833
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: It was simple, Me and Caine were on the same label.

834
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: I was signed. I was the first rappers signed to

835
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers through Sire, which was the Rector label Madonna,

836
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: talking Heads and Ministry mostly punk rock and stuff. But

837
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 1: I was signed there and uh Kane and came there

838
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: through Uptown Uh not Uptown, um cold Chilling. They were

839
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: the first deal that Benny Medina hooked up uh over there.

840
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: So me and Caine had to go out on a

841
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: promo tour. So this is funny, And you guys just

842
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: must have been fucking pigs and ship kindred spirits not

843
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: right out the gate because Caine's god, he's a god

844
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: right and I eat pork right, So you know, fly

845
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: Time was like in the mix like yeah, you know,

846
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: uh Ice is a talker and you better you know,

847
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: he kind of like brief came like I was gonna

848
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: try to steal the show, you know. So when I

849
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: met Caane, I was I I respect came like rappers

850
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: know who can rap? We all know, like your baseball

851
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: player basketball, you know who got skills you can't front.

852
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: So I met Big Daddy came, so immediately I just

853
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: played fan. I was just like, yeo, Kane, I'm a fan.

854
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: I just came in with all the gratitude that he deserved.

855
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, wat out the gate kind of put him

856
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: off balance, like so there was no starship because I

857
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: made him the start because to me, he was I

858
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: wasn't in front. So then we started to click and

859
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: I kind of told came, look, if we go out

860
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: here and we're cool, I might get some of your fans,

861
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: you might get some of my fans. If we play

862
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: like we're not together, we're not gaining nothing. So when

863
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: we first did the first end store, I had a

864
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: lot of fans, and I think Kane saw that. It

865
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: was like oh, I used, he's pushing some numbers out here,

866
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: and we just started to get closer and closer and

867
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: closer over that tour, and that's when we found out

868
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: we was kendrick sperience. He started talking about Dolomite, I

869
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: started turning them onto Donald Goin's and stuff like that,

870
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: and I started telling Kane, really, you're a player. You're

871
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: a player. You ain't got a name. I'm gonna tell

872
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: you what you are. And uh, I think the proof

873
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: of that is his next album, Long Lived a Kane,

874
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: where he was like on a throne, pimped out the

875
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: first special thanks, which used to be very important back

876
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: in the day on those albums you were looking for

877
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: your name if you made it. He gave me first

878
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: special thanks on that album. That was like the biggest

879
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: ship that it ever happened to me before all the

880
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Cats. It said iced tea and I was like okay.

881
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: And from then on, me and came like you've been brothers.

882
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: You know. I had the same kind of flavor, same

883
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: smooth vibe and stuff. I mean, I can't touch him lyrically.

884
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: I My lyrical style was always like go heavy, like

885
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't capable of verbal gymnastics like twister, eminema,

886
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: none of them. I have a rhyme when I say,

887
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: I hear your styles, although you rhyme quicker. No matter

888
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: what you do, I'll always lace mine thicker jealousy or

889
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: make a fool that quicker than liquor watch it back

890
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: with your nigger, because that's right where sticking. So my

891
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: thing was less words, deeper content. That was how I

892
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: was gonna win in the rap game. Because I had

893
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: seen people rip battle and one guy go up and

894
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: say thirty bars and another dude take him out in

895
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: eight bars. So I was like, it's all about content.

896
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: So that was always iced tea style. That's dope. Who

897
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: were the other dudes like that you were rocking with,

898
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: like in the eighties, like New York dude that you

899
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: connected with, because like I said, I was always tripped out,

900
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you mentioned Latin Quarters. You you were

901
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: at the courters. I was. I used to be at

902
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: the quarters, like it was like the crazy thing about

903
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: being in Land Corps is like I never saw you there,

904
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: but I would see Salt and Pepper there and there

905
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: was no there was no red rope. There was no

906
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: v I p room like they were salt and pepper,

907
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, what the fuck. Mellie Mel would

908
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: be walking around freestyle and for like fucking ninety minutes

909
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: with the Lawrence Taylor Jersey and you guys were there.

910
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: I was sixteen, seventeen years old, like you know, like

911
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: it was such a special time. I don't even think

912
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: they served liquor. And that's about there work. It was.

913
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: It was wow. I remember Red Alert was in there.

914
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: There were girls snatching ropes right now, there are good attention,

915
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: no not. What happened with me was I got put

916
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: on by Africa Islam. I was in l A performing

917
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: at a club called the Radio where they ended up

918
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: making the Breaking movies. This was a club I had

919
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: a record called cole Win Madness. They found out I

920
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: had it, they got me there I was starting. I

921
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of was like the club m C. They brought

922
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: Cold Crush out there, they brought Um Bam and them,

923
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: they brought everybody out there, New York rappers, Jacqueline hide

924
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: Back with Andrea Relle fucking nuts. So all these cats

925
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: would come out there, and they was fascinated by me

926
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: because I was shining it because I was robbing ship.

927
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: I had a Porsche. I had all the jewelry on.

928
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: I looked like fucking ry b rock cam. I had

929
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: all the big pieces and everything. So they like and

930
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to be a rapper. They

931
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: was like, why the fund you want to be a rapper.

932
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody's got money rapping. I'm like, yeah, but I

933
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: knew that I had to get out of the game,

934
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: you know, days of number th low digits. I got

935
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: more money than the US mint. I got drag top

936
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: rolling rock song, my society from the six place because

937
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: the friends not wear designer six and pages. Islam connected

938
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: to me the Princeton Charm. He was like because he

939
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: was more of a producer. So he was like, look,

940
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, I'll help you with your music. So I

941
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: came out on a People Express ticket. I flew out

942
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: to to to South Bronx hundred and fifty six in Tenton,

943
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I brought my record. Well, I had six

944
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: in the morning, That's what it was. I had six

945
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: in the morning. I wanted Islam to get it spun.

946
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: He said, no, one's gonna spend it till they meet you.

947
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: You gotta come out here and knowing Africa Islam him

948
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and being such a boss, I got to meet New

949
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: York from the top down. I didn't come out of

950
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: here to kick it with my cousin and queens who

951
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: might know how to catch the train to the Latin Quarter.

952
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: I met Red Alert, Chuck chill Out, I met Mr.

953
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: I never personally got the meat match, but because but

954
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: I met, I hung out with Scott L. Rock. Uh

955
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I have a crazy story about

956
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: Scott L. Rock. I went to a Union Square with

957
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: Scott L. Rock and uh, you know, my manager George

958
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: had connected to Scotland Rock and care arrest one early

959
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: in the day. So I'm at Union Squares Scott spinning

960
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: and I rolled there with him, right So then, uh,

961
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: I'm there and I got my gold chain on. I

962
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: just bought my gold chain with my pistol, and I'm

963
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: standing on stage and he dropped six and everybody's bumping.

964
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I feel so good. I'm in New

965
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: York because being an l a rapper to have New

966
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: York except you, that's the mecca. That's h you know,

967
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm You're getting blessed. It's like you are a rapper,

968
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, because That's all I ever wanted to do, Mike,

969
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: is this be named amongst the rappers, not be the best,

970
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: just be in the in the dialogue. So I'm there

971
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: and I'm standing there and everybody's smiling at me, and

972
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, they're feeling me and ship like that.

973
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: Then about a half hour and a big guy comes

974
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: to this ice there's no gold allowed in the Union Square.

975
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy sh it, I'm the only person in

976
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: here with a gold chain. Now all these smiles turned

977
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: into sneers. I'm like, these motherfucker's are gonna rob me.

978
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: Like they're not smiling, they're growling. So now my chain

979
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: crawled back into my chest like like by itself. It

980
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: just crawled up my neck and tucked up. So now

981
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna getting stuck. This is a problem.

982
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: Now I'm staying there. Now make matters worse. I go

983
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: to Scott and Scott's like, you're about to bounce with this, honey,

984
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: you're good. I'm like, fuck, now I'm alone. I can't

985
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: tell him I'm scared. So I'm like, fuck, okay, I'm good.

986
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: So now I'm walking across the room is empty out.

987
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, I know they're here. I know they're

988
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: They're just they're just waiting. I'm gonna get hit with

989
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: a razor which side of my neck? Like that's fucking crazy.

990
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: And I get to the dance floor and this one

991
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: dude walks up to me, goes, yo, Ice, we met

992
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: you in l A. We're from a group called the

993
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: Boogie Boys. Fly Girl, Fly Girl. I don't even know

994
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Drew's name. I was like, oh, my nigger. I grabbed

995
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: him like I grabbed him like, dude, my best friend.

996
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: I had him walked me out the place across to

997
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: the train platform where I had to catch the two

998
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: train up to the Bronx by myself. That was a

999
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: night almost I felt I was gonna die. Yeah, that's

1000
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: a fucking good story. Yea. I fainted on stage in

1001
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: Union Square where Sparky D was performing, and I thought

1002
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: I had gotten like knocked out, like it was just

1003
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: heat standing next to this motherfucker six And you used

1004
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: to watch people get their fucking earrings snatched women, you know,

1005
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm talking about it's a women girls.

1006
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: We were fucking kids. People were the women. I mean,

1007
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, like I was sixteen. There will be like

1008
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: eight year old woman with fat ass and fat they

1009
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: look like a woman. But the violence that was right

1010
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: in front of you and you're going to hear music.

1011
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck? That was hip hop? Man?

1012
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: That was That's why hip hops from that era have

1013
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: a bond. I was in Latin Quarter when it was

1014
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: in Times squared real Latin Quarter, and uh so I'm

1015
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: in there with mel and I got on another chain situation,

1016
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 1: because see, a gold chain isn't just the gold chain.

1017
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 1: It's a statement saying I can wear gold around poor people.

1018
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: It's it's a statement of a of your gangster like

1019
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: I am gonna wear I tell my son, It's like

1020
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: taking a hundred dollar bills and sticking it out of

1021
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: your shirt and walking through the project. It's a statement.

1022
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: You know. Now kids get a rap deal, they buy

1023
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: a hip hop starter kit, you know, some rims for

1024
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: their car, gold chain and stuff. Most of the gold

1025
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: chains and them days were earned from street hustling. You know,

1026
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: when you saw the Dominican cats walking with the jewels on,

1027
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: you knew what that meant. That meant they got money

1028
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: and they're not scared. You know. So I'm trying to

1029
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: keep my l a gangster going I'm in New York.

1030
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: I got my chain out and this guy comes over.

1031
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: He goes, Yo, Supreme wants to talk to you. I'm like,

1032
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: who's Supreme. It's is pre Magnetic. So I walk over.

1033
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: It's like this little Puerto Rican dude standing there with

1034
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: the biggest chain I ever seen in my life, like

1035
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: a cable you could like hold a boat to a dock.

1036
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: And and he's standing there and he's like, yeah, your

1037
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: friends with Eric and Raw And I'm like, yeah, he said,

1038
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: you're good now. Later I found out he was in

1039
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: charge of the Deceptic cons and was like one of

1040
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: the heaviest cats in New York at the time. Supreme Magnetic,

1041
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, so interesting, you know, I was it in

1042
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: the right passes. I remember one night I was at

1043
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Latin Quarter met and and and m C light. We're

1044
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: about to go on stage, first time I ever performed there,

1045
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: and she was back scared shitless. She was nervous, and

1046
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, who's gonna go first? You want to go first?

1047
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: I want to go first? And I think she went

1048
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: first and stuff. But they not only boo you off

1049
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: that stage, they'll snatch you off that stage. You know

1050
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: that's fucking crazy, But you know, I've always been the

1051
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: kind of person that I could meet the right people.

1052
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: My personality is such that, you know, I'm relatively likable.

1053
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not pushing my weight around on anybody.

1054
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I was always able to meet the

1055
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: right people that helped me in my journey. Where is

1056
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: hip hop now? Like, like it's so different than when

1057
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: you started. It's so different, Like there's good bad in between.

1058
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: You know, at one point I thought the music business

1059
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: was over. I got I got in the music business

1060
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: saying like record sales and the way they're doing downloading

1061
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: and all, it's it's better than ever, there's more money

1062
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: in music than ever, or it's back when you look

1063
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: at what's going on with these younger kids now and

1064
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: the fucking seventeen year old little one, this one and

1065
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: young everyone's little this, young this, They get tattoos on

1066
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: their face, they get the hip hop starter kid. Is this?

1067
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: Where are we going with this music? Well, first off,

1068
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm too old to be able to actually understand an

1069
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: eighteen year old way of thinking, So I have to

1070
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of remove myself from it and look at it

1071
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: as an adult differently, you know, like what they see

1072
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: and what you know. It's it's difficult because now I'm mature,

1073
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: Now I see things different. What seems silly to me

1074
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: might not have been silly to me at eighteen. So

1075
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: when you got these youngsters, really young ones, rapping, I

1076
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: got to let him go. You know. I made a

1077
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: comment back in the day Soldier Boy, which at the

1078
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: in retrospect, I shouldn't have made because he's a kid,

1079
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not supposed to agree with what he does

1080
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at it from a totally different perspective. UM.

1081
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: I think music has gone where the radio wanted it,

1082
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: which is lack of content of point substance to radio

1083
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: doesn't want that. They never played ice Cube, they never

1084
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: played cares One, They never played Public Enemy Myself. They

1085
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: don't play those record They never played Dead Presidents, they

1086
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: never played you know, um wise intelligent and uh poor

1087
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: righteous teeth. They don't play those records. We know that. UM.

1088
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: I think that the production of these records are it's tremendous,

1089
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: uh to the point where you don't need the words.

1090
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: I can sit in some of these clubs and just

1091
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: listen to the beats and the tracks and the and

1092
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 1: even stuff like with with with may Box Music, the

1093
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: stuff Rick Ross and them were doing. The production is amazing.

1094
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: DJ Kalin's production is amazing to the point where you

1095
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: can kind of get away with murder. They're now there's

1096
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: some really great great lyricists out there, to j Coles

1097
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: to Kendrick Lamars, there's some really and you've got an

1098
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: incredible amount of underground artists, the mortal techniques in the

1099
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: and the and the Technolgnes and super Beasts, you know,

1100
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: battle rap like you know, You've got a group like Slaughterhouse,

1101
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: which is like one of the some of the best

1102
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: rappers in the world, but they're not gonna get commercial

1103
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: success unless they put you know, Beyonce second on the hook.

1104
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: So you've kind of gone down a pop wormhole where

1105
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: if it's not just pop, it's not going to get

1106
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: that massive publicity. It's hard. I don't I don't really know.

1107
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, there's a reason I'm on television right now.

1108
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: It's the reason that I do metal. It's because hip

1109
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: hop kind of went into a place that I'm not comfortable.

1110
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: It's not what I do. What I do is is

1111
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: music alchemists makes what I do is what mob deep

1112
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: does I do that that sinister scary gangster ship? Um?

1113
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: Is there room for that in hip hop? There is,

1114
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: but you can't expect to make the same record sales

1115
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: because the shock is gone one Seminem. Remember you said

1116
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: earlier in the interview, people are scared to meet this

1117
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: and the year once Seminem did it, people were like, Okay,

1118
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: the edge is not it's not there. Now you see

1119
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: Snoop is doing doing commercials with Lei A Coker. It's

1120
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: like it's not as shocking Snoop and Martha. Yeah, but

1121
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: that's that's the correct evolution. Yes, that's the that's the

1122
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: correct when you when you listen, when you meet the

1123
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: gangster in the street he stugged out, he's standing on

1124
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: the corner or cut your throat. When you meet the

1125
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: gangster who has succeeded, he's spraying his rose bushes in

1126
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: his house, mansion somewhere, walking around and flip flops, chilling.

1127
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: You know there's an evolution, and that the guyfather died

1128
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: by his his grandson spraying him with you know that

1129
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: that aggression. It's only necessary until you can get above

1130
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, the kills on Uh. When I saw Bobby

1131
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: s murder U. I knew that ship was real. I said,

1132
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: that's that age bracket, that's that I don't give a fuck,

1133
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: and that Bobby's murdering him was like, I guess when

1134
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: keeping it real goes wrong. But I knew it when

1135
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: I first seen him. I said, the little niggas will

1136
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: shoot you, suse you because they don't have enough to care.

1137
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: They don't have enough to worry about anything. Now, okay,

1138
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: I look, look, you got the house, you got the car,

1139
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: you got the kids. The other night, I come out

1140
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: of a club. I never ever ever have any problems.

1141
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: Some dude says some ship out the way. I'm like, really, motherfucker,

1142
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: you really feel that you could talk? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1143
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: And I said I should smack the ship out of you.

1144
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: He said, if you do, I'm just gonna stand here

1145
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: and sue you. And at that moment, I can't. He

1146
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: let me know that, Yo, I hear at a disadvantage

1147
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: with these pussy motherfucker's right now. You need to get

1148
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: your ass in the car. It's kind of like you're

1149
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna stop your rolls and fight the guy on the

1150
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: bus stop. But I had to check myself because the

1151
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: old iced t was about to reach up in his mouth.

1152
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: I was about to let this motherfucker know what it was.

1153
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: But I had to just re recalibrate because I am

1154
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: not the same person now. I have a lot more

1155
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: things on the table, but that guy that ain't got

1156
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: nothing on the table will break you the funk off,

1157
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: you know. So Hey, I'm not a hater um, but

1158
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm more of a rap purist. I like lyrics. I

1159
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: am a lyricist, so I look for lyrical quality. I

1160
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: look for content when I judge a rapper. That's why

1161
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: I'll say Lupe Fiasco. That's why I like Young Jeez.

1162
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: I remember when I listened to Young Jez says one

1163
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: of his lyrics says, God Lord, please don't let me

1164
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: go to jail tonight. I was like, Oh, that's a

1165
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: real lyric right there. I know that feeling. And always

1166
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: my rappers, I always like where people I wanted to

1167
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: meet and hang out with, Like if I if I

1168
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: like you, I wanted to roll with rock him. I

1169
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: wanted to be around him. I wanted to a lot

1170
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: of these cats. I'm like, now I'm cool. And in

1171
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: your film that you directed, that was dope, like rock

1172
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: him like I met him one time, and like you

1173
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: might have hung out with him a hundred of times,

1174
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: but for for fans like he was like you never

1175
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: fucking saw him. There was no Instagram. He probably to

1176
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: this day doesn't have an Instagram. To God, is not

1177
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: with all that. What is it about his music that

1178
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: like when people say favorite mcs to me, I say

1179
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: rock Him, it's either Rock Kim, Kane or Caress, and

1180
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: then all throwing jay Z or nas are biggie. Rock

1181
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: Him is like the Miles Davis rack Mark Kim is

1182
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: that guy. He's just a true musician. You know, he

1183
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: would show you how he would break the music down

1184
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: the bars. You know Stevie Blast his brother and they

1185
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: play piano. These guys have true musicians. So he not

1186
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: only just started rapping, he figured away to rap more

1187
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: connected to the music, like he would count the bars

1188
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: and and his flow he I don't even think we

1189
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: used the term flow before rock Him. You know that

1190
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: he is the way the words just floated over the tracks,

1191
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: and it was like and then he was just like

1192
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: it was like algebra. When you listen to the lyrics

1193
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: of Fury and stuff like that, it's like, you know,

1194
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: and and then also it was cinematic. Know this as

1195
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: a warning, you know, poets, a paranoid DJ is destroyed.

1196
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: Like it was not just normal rapping. And uh you know,

1197
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: I take you on a walk through hell, frees your

1198
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: dome and watch your eyeballs swell, guts you out a

1199
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: triple stage darkness. Who the funk raps like that? You know,

1200
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: So everybody would take it to another level, same way

1201
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: Slick Rick took storytelling to another level. So you know

1202
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: some people are just heavy like that, you know, and uh,

1203
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: rise that, I'll tell you rock him story. So one

1204
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: time we were on tour, so we had all left

1205
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: out in partying at night, and then Rob would never

1206
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: leave his room, right he was always on that ship

1207
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: like low key ship lokey. So we come back to

1208
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: the hotel and Rob standing in the lobby with all

1209
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: his jewels on but like in a robe like standing

1210
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: there and we're like, you'll, Rob, what's happening? You fire

1211
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: alarm son and we're like, word you either you didn't

1212
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: hear it. We're like, no, you said you burnt up.

1213
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So the nigga was like got his jewelry,

1214
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: y'all like went down was just chilling waiting until the

1215
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: fire alarm went off. And then I guess that's fucking

1216
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: so rock him when where he came down for the

1217
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: firelarm with the jewels on, that's crazy And we were out.

1218
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: That's a crazy fucking visual. We were out. So we

1219
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: come in and the nigg standing in the lobby like.

1220
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: And then then then one time we were doing the

1221
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: show and somebody had got fucked up and they were

1222
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: dragging him out the back and uh, he was bleeding

1223
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: and ship and I was standing in and he goes, yo,

1224
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: roo him, I love you, yo man, I came to

1225
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: see you. Man. They got stuck with them, and then

1226
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: Rod look at them and says, tender that true. Like

1227
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: there's a couple of words like tender that like you

1228
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: you're bleeding cause. But you know, I think every rapper

1229
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: I ever met knew I was a real fan of theirs,

1230
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,879
Speaker 1: and so that was paid back to me with respect.

1231
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I don't know. I mean, it's not

1232
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: just rap, it's the entire music in the street. It's

1233
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: in a very weird place. Uh. As far as you know,

1234
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: you put out a record, you used to make mailbox money.

1235
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, I would I would you sell half a

1236
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: million records right out the gate. Now if you could

1237
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 1: move fifty records, people like, well, that's incredible. Now you

1238
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: can go gold and platinum from streaming. I don't understand it.

1239
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand it either. When you when you play Spotify,

1240
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: they've monetized it though now one now you get point

1241
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: zero zero seven cents of play. You don't even get

1242
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: a penny. They figured a way to split a penny, Mike.

1243
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuss going on in the streets.

1244
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: They don't know how to break a penny down. You're

1245
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: you're a married man now, sir. You've been all around

1246
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:11,879
Speaker 1: the world in your past historically, where's the most beautiful

1247
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: women in the world that could be in l A.

1248
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: You've been all around the world. Brazil, oh man, but

1249
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: they got disease. It's like you got the it's the Tuesday,

1250
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: you go, oh, Brazil, the most beautiful highest HIV. So

1251
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's like a double ledged sword.

1252
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: You go there and go, what the fuck? But but

1253
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: the asses that that that whole myth about asses in

1254
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: Brazil is real. You ain't been, never been. Don't go

1255
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: if you're married don't go. Don't go, you know, one

1256
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: key attemptation to stay clear of it. You digg what

1257
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you go with your wife, Well, if

1258
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: you know you're an alcoholic, don't go in the bar.

1259
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: You thig what I'm saying. So why why tested the

1260
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: ship is outrageous? Though, Um we went down there. You

1261
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: can't communicate right because they're speaking Portuguese. It ain't Spanish.

1262
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: So we go down there. Every body count back in

1263
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: the day and uh, my boy is Hondoras. Evil eat

1264
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: my dj He's Hondors so we thought he could talk.

1265
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: We quickly found out he was worthless. So he went

1266
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: from very important to get the fun. So we're on

1267
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: the beach. Here's a brazil story. We're on the beach

1268
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: and we're looking at you know, asks and ship and

1269
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: we're like damn. And then we hear this guy go horrible, horrible.

1270
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: Who folks ain't horrible? So we walk up and this

1271
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: is black gay dude and a purple LeMay like bikini bottom.

1272
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: He's like horrible. We're like, well, you're not horrible. He's

1273
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: some badass women. Now I now where all the beautiful

1274
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: women are. We like what you speak Portuguese, he goes, yeah.

1275
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: So immediately once we found out he spoke spoke English

1276
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: and Portuguese, he became our translator and one split second

1277
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: he had every Laminate body count T shirt had everything on.

1278
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: We're like, you're with us and uh. He basically took

1279
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: us to some of the wildest ship that's ever been.

1280
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: It was so great in Brazil. We actually had to

1281
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: create I might get some guys in trouble, but a

1282
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: few phantom shows that never really happened, so you could stay.

1283
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, why don't we just call home

1284
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: and tell her we got another couple of shows down

1285
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,919
Speaker 1: here so we could stay. But we had a blast

1286
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: in Brazil. It was it was amazing, but it's it's

1287
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: definitely a place for a single person. With this one

1288
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: white dud down there, he was like, uh, iced tea,

1289
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: what's up, Joey, Joey? Uh, I make up a name,

1290
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, Joey MACARRONI. I've been down here twenty years

1291
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: on the LAMB, So it's another good place to go

1292
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: if you ever catch your body. The god, they got

1293
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: it all down there. Man. Man, man, man, man, it's

1294
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: it's but you can't communicate, so it's it's a rough

1295
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: ride for a guy like me who likes to talk.

1296
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 1: You know, they're like, we can't talk. Just give me money, right,

1297
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: that's it. Flavor and Flame says, the beauty of Brazil

1298
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: is every woman is their own job. That's it. They're

1299
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: independent contractors for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's definitely a

1300
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: beautiful place. I want I want to hear your insight

1301
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 1: on this. When we were growing up in New York,

1302
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: there was no gangs here in New York, and then

1303
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and hip hop and colors and boys in

1304
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: the hood and the and the you know DJ Quick

1305
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: and you know n w A. And now literally like

1306
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: in the hoods, there's bloods, there's crips. Is this affiliated

1307
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: with what you called Los Angeles gang culture? Is this

1308
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: just like a tagling? What is going on with these

1309
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: bloods and crips across the country? Is it annoying? Like

1310
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: what with a lot of different angles to it. There's

1311
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: bloods out here, like happened in the prison system up

1312
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: here because it was basically l A blood members starting

1313
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: bloods in the prisons out here. Uh, there's cripts out

1314
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: here connect people connected to crypts. Um It's interesting. I

1315
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: can give you a lot of answers. One is La

1316
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: has transformed in its gang culture right now. It's crypts

1317
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 1: on crypts, bloods on blood. It's set gang banging. It

1318
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,879
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You know, the sixties is fighting a trays

1319
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: and you know it doesn't matter. So being a blood

1320
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: or a crypt, it doesn't really matter. It's set politics. Um.

1321
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: And you say said that means like like in between,

1322
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: like it's like block, it's like smaller. Yes, yes, all right,

1323
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: let's break l A gangs down real quick for just

1324
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: people that don't know anything about l A gangs had

1325
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: two major gangs, Crypts and the bloods. Anything that's not

1326
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: a crypt is a blood, So all crypt gangs would

1327
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: be basically followed by crypt block crips, A trade gangs

1328
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 1: to crypts, Hoover crips, Rolling sixty crips, neighborhood crips, uh

1329
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: Man's Field crips. They'll all say crip. Anything that's not

1330
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: a crip is a blood so Finglewood Family, Denver Lanes,

1331
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:16,839
Speaker 1: Bounty Hunters, pi U's Bloodstone villains. They don't say bloods.

1332
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: They're just not crips, so they're blood gang. Okay. The

1333
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: reason they call them bloods. It's crypt would tell. When

1334
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: I would talk to you, I would say, because have

1335
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 1: our leftier pierced? They crypt it right here. We put

1336
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 1: the bragging the left hand pocket right. Okay. Now, the

1337
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: Bloods were originally the brims, like the rhyme, I said,

1338
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: the crips are the brims. But now because they refer

1339
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: to you as blood, they adopted the name the bloods.

1340
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: So that's where you got red and you got blue. Now,

1341
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: back in the cocaine days, there was a separation where

1342
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: the crips was on site with the bloods, meaning anything

1343
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: red on site, we take off on. It's just that's

1344
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 1: what how the blood the cripping blood thing. Once the

1345
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 1: crack area hit, which was way back, as the cops

1346
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: come coming. Once once the crack area hit, which was

1347
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: the eighties early nineties, the gang started to splinter. So

1348
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: the sets started to divide up. So due to the

1349
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 1: fact we say we're part of the East Side New

1350
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: York crips, whatever, we're the east Side of New York,

1351
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: right man, Manhattan cribs, Mike says, fuck these motherfucker's Man,

1352
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 1: I got the sack. We turned into rappaport cript. We

1353
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: we splinter. Now the sets start to break up a

1354
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 1: little and smaller sets, and they're fighting each other because

1355
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: it's drugs. Now, how did the gangs migrate? Well, cocaine

1356
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: stopped coming through Miami and it started coming through Mexico

1357
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,759
Speaker 1: and it was coming into Calli at a real low price.

1358
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 1: So a key of coke was three times cheaper in

1359
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: l A than it was in New York. Now what

1360
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 1: we gotta do is we gotta take the game on

1361
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: the road. Now, I'm gonna speak on this stuff kind

1362
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: of broadly, because you know that's part of the game.

1363
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: We don't give up, you don't talk too much. That's

1364
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: how you stay around as long as I have. But basically,

1365
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: every guy in l A, every gang member, had a

1366
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: cousin somewhere else, say Seattle. So you send them up

1367
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: there with the sack because now we triple in our money.

1368
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: And you turn out Seattle. Meaning you take a group

1369
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: of cats and you say, well, god, guess what now,

1370
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: y'all Harlem crips. They're not from Harlem Crip, but I'm

1371
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: from Harlem Crip. So I turned them out. Maybe show

1372
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: them some violence they've never been been, uh, you know,

1373
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: seen before l A style ship and then get or

1374
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: we bring shooters in from l A and let them

1375
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: handle a business and get back on a cheap flight.

1376
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: And now that's where you start to get gang sets

1377
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: moving morphing out into different areas. Most of the gangs

1378
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: that are across the country are basically drug operations. Now

1379
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: when you come to New York and you see the gangs,

1380
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:28,719
Speaker 1: their gangs, but they're not gang banging, they're not shooting

1381
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: at each other on site like it is in l A.

1382
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,560
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit different. It's like they repping it,

1383
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: but they're not at war now at New York don't

1384
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: want to l a gang war neither. So what we

1385
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: did in l A and ninety two when we had

1386
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: the truce was we said, look, you can still rep

1387
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: your hood, you can still be a gang bang or whatever,

1388
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: but just don't bang. Don't we call it set trip,

1389
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: don't start any unnecessary beef. Operate as you're set, but don't. Also,

1390
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 1: the Messican and started to basically move into South Central,

1391
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: so the black gangs had to kind of handle their

1392
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: business in a different way. Now there's more Messican gangs

1393
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: in l A than anything because Mexican is more so

1394
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: you got eighteen Street harpies, You've got all the different

1395
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 1: Eighteen Street probably the biggest gang. Look, gangship is real,

1396
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, and gang bangers aren't really make you know,

1397
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: you're not making records. You're actually at acting in an organization.

1398
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 1: They're not clubs. Uh. You deal with them delicately, you know,

1399
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: and you know they operating to serve their purpose, whatever

1400
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 1: that might be. Um, I've been all over the country

1401
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: and run into different gangs and stuff like that. I'm

1402
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: just like, it's but it's strange. I mean for l

1403
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: a Like, I mean, if I'm in St. Louis and

1404
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: you tell me you who RECRYP, I'm like, have you

1405
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: ever even been on that street? That's a street you know,

1406
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, Piru is a read like have you ever

1407
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: been there? Like? So it's odd, But you know, you

1408
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: don't want to promote that ship too much. It's just

1409
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: it's just wild. It's just it's kind of like out

1410
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: of my hands that I promote it. I don't know

1411
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: that I explain it that I try to break it down.

1412
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: That's why as much as I can now, I'm telling

1413
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: motherfucker's like, look, man, the best hustle is a legit hustle.

1414
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: You don't want to go to penitentiary. You know, you

1415
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: gotta figure a way out for your family and your friends.

1416
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: You gotta do something with your life. When you're nineteen,

1417
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: you think that's all that matters, that you know, once

1418
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: you get locked up. I got guys right now, like

1419
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 1: my guys in Pelicans Bay there in High Desert prison,

1420
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: you know, super max gang bangers, you know, refused to

1421
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: deprogram and go to a lower level yard, and they're

1422
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: just gonna bang the rest of the way out. They

1423
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: high power cript modules, you know, And that's just what

1424
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: they is. That's a life they chose. And I'm just like, yeah,

1425
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: I got you, but that's not my life. And then

1426
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: they talked to me like Ice, you know you got

1427
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: another path, man, Stay of course, Stay of course, this

1428
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: is life I chose. I'm your motherfucker in here. Ice,

1429
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: That's who I am. This is my area. I got this.

1430
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,560
Speaker 1: You did. But one of my buddies, one of my

1431
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: close friends, I ain't gonna say his name, but he was.

1432
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: He's like one of my best friends, and he's in there.

1433
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: He got life what they call the l WHAP, life

1434
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 1: without Possibility parole to who damn life without possibility. And

1435
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: uh he gets on the phone with my son, Little Ice,

1436
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: and he says, ye know, Ice, if I ever hear

1437
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: you behind these walls, I'll have you killed. That's his uncle.

1438
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: So uh, Little Ice telling me, Yo, yeah, he just

1439
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: threatened my life. And I was like, okay, And then

1440
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: I got on the phone with him. I said, thank

1441
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: you you told him than you, because you know, what's

1442
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: more a deterrent to not going to jail to have

1443
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: somebody say if I ever And when he said he said,

1444
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: if I ever find out you're behind any of these walls,

1445
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: he told across this country, I have you killed. So

1446
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, you know, but you know, with

1447
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: an unusual enemy, you have to use unusual tactics, Yo,

1448
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,439
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1449
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: most distinct voices. I don't even need to like. All

1450
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: you gotta do is just listen you go. Oh Ship,

1451
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,000
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1452
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:37,960
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1453
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna go. I'm gonna walking downstairs. Make sure the

1454
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: card and get told. You know, Ship, everything anything can

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01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: happen to anybody at any time, like oh, when you car,

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01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: when you park your card on him, just a rope,

1457
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: just go around it and angels. No, they'll tell my

1458
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: ship you you're good in New York thought. I mean

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01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,240
Speaker 1: you the cops. I mean fucking Lauren Order asked for you.

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01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: It's like I mean, when I did Lauren Order ask

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01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: for you? I did one episode of show and it

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01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: lives forever. You've done how many episodes? Over four hundred?

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01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: But you know what, Mike, it's a it's a fifty

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01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: fifty shot, you know, celebrity. How cops are Some of

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01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: them are gonna show you love and others are gonna

1466
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: try to prove that you're not. You're just for New

1467
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: York cops. Cops. I I got love for New York tops.

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01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: That they're more human because they walk the beat, they

1469
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: talk to people. Most of them are overweight so they

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01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: don't want to chase you. That it's kind of cool

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01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: and and you know, like I said, man, I'm not

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01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: out here trying to make enemies. Man, I'm just trying to,

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01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, express my viewpoints and live to tell that's it.

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: I am right Port Stereo Podcast, Thank you, my man.

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Speaker 1: At sco,