Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Excited about this one today.
Speaker 1: Obviously one of my brother's known them for a long time.
Speaker 1: We still actually play a little pickup ball from here
Speaker 1: to there at the district, Man, one of the fastest
Speaker 1: two steps, fastest first steps.
Speaker 2: In NBA history. Kid you not.
Speaker 1: But I think what I love most about this dude
Speaker 1: is the father side. How much emphasis he puts in
Speaker 1: on being a dad and being a present dad. And
Speaker 1: obviously that's what I respect a lot. But man, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Catino Mobley, appreciate you.
Speaker 2: This is long overdue, bro. I mean, we like, we
Speaker 2: literally hang out.
Speaker 1: And I've been doing the show for just just how
Speaker 1: long I've been doing the show, I've done your show.
Speaker 1: But you know, we finally caught up and to have
Speaker 1: you come sit down. Man, how's everything going?
Speaker 3: Good? Man? Life is? Life is really good? Man, I am.
Speaker 3: I'm loving it. Man. I was just talking to my son.
Speaker 3: We're driving in the car here. I'm just telling them
Speaker 3: about just how life works and what true happiness is
Speaker 3: things like that. And you know, the older I get,
Speaker 3: the more kind of content I become right and all
Speaker 3: material things, but yet also like the simplicity of life
Speaker 3: and if you think about it right, like it's basketball,
Speaker 3: like the great Ones, master the fundamentals, like the simplicity
Speaker 3: Cole Jordan, a lot of those guys. And I think
Speaker 3: that's the same method you should take when you live
Speaker 3: in life.
Speaker 2: No, I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean you think in the midst of it you
Speaker 1: were making a bunch of money and doing whatever we want.
Speaker 1: But I just turned forty five last month, and it's
Speaker 1: it's I've never been more at peace and just appreciating
Speaker 1: things and just kind of understanding life real real, it's real.
Speaker 3: It's super real. Man.
Speaker 2: You used to have a spot out here in LA right.
Speaker 3: What was it called restaurant of club?
Speaker 2: What was it? Was it a restaurant of club? It
Speaker 2: was both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had everything.
Speaker 2: It was popping though.
Speaker 3: We had the beach house. Yeah, you have a beach
Speaker 3: house on Sunday's is cracking.
Speaker 1: Used to have a lot of Yeah, you used to
Speaker 1: have a lot of festivities in the LA area. I
Speaker 1: mean what was that like and where did that kind
Speaker 1: of that idea come from? Because like you were the
Speaker 1: one person like, hey, what's going on? Like you would
Speaker 1: be able to line people up with with with a
Speaker 1: good time.
Speaker 3: You know, the great thing about that was just meeting
Speaker 3: different I guess, walks of life right coming from Philadelphia
Speaker 3: and then moving you know, to all these different states,
Speaker 3: whether it's college or pro whatever it was, and then
Speaker 3: finally landing in La I felt that home right, and
Speaker 3: I felt more at peace when I was close to
Speaker 3: the ocean. That was just something I learned in my life,
Speaker 3: right the older age and thirty years old. But it
Speaker 3: was so much fun gathering people together and seeing the
Speaker 3: happiness on them, right, and then if I can you know,
Speaker 3: orchestrate all these things where listen, we're gonna do dinner now,
Speaker 3: then we're gonna do this later, and we're gonna do this.
Speaker 3: And on Sundays we have like you know, co ed
Speaker 3: football and we're gonna you know, it's all the food
Speaker 3: you can eat, and you know, just diffferent games and
Speaker 3: whether you you know, it's like a casino royale that
Speaker 3: was in my backyard on Sundays, and I mean you
Speaker 3: had over four hundred people and at the right Paul
Speaker 3: KG like everybody was coming to it and it was
Speaker 3: just different games and different situations and different pockets withinside
Speaker 3: the home on the beach that people actually gravitated to it.
Speaker 3: I just I me personally, especially during that time of
Speaker 3: my life. I love to bring everybody together and everybody
Speaker 3: to be happy.
Speaker 2: That's dope. Fatherhood, what's that journey been like?
Speaker 3: It's a you know what's crazy about fatherhood, brother, is
Speaker 3: that it's your teacher, like your children your teacher, right,
Speaker 3: And whatever it is that you don't like about yourself
Speaker 3: or you fear life, they'll show you quickly, whether it's commitment,
Speaker 3: whether it's patience. You know, I have three boys, and
Speaker 3: then I have my daughter, and you know I have
Speaker 3: to I talked to her differently than I talk to
Speaker 3: my boys. But then also too is I have to
Speaker 3: walk that walk right because children actually don't listen to you.
Speaker 3: They watch you. So the more I do, the more.
Speaker 3: Like my oldest boys here with me now, he wakes
Speaker 3: up super early. He'll be grabbing a book and he's
Speaker 3: working on his life, and it's like he's watched those things, right,
Speaker 3: So it's not for me to push him to do
Speaker 3: those things. He just he gravitated into it. And then
Speaker 3: you know, it's being a father. And of course we've
Speaker 3: never been mothers, but being a father to me is
Speaker 3: a hard position. Because of the stigma of how men
Speaker 3: are supposed to process their feelings but yet still get
Speaker 3: things done right. And I've learned the older I get,
Speaker 3: the more I should tell you how I feel right
Speaker 3: away so I can get that out now. Now it's
Speaker 3: up to you to understand and how this environment should
Speaker 3: go right, because I'm already because I'm what I'm doing
Speaker 3: is I'm teaching myself boundaries. And when we were younger,
Speaker 3: we didn't never have no boundaries, right, So you get
Speaker 3: in yourself in the situations because you hold your tongue
Speaker 3: or your emotions things like that. And I've learned if
Speaker 3: I can just speak it quickly, I get it out
Speaker 3: the way fast. And now you know what, I know,
Speaker 3: it's not you reading my mind.
Speaker 2: Is this in terms of being a father? Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: just off the rip.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, because you have to talk to
Speaker 3: your children like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, no, you have to. I don't think you
Speaker 2: could sugarcoat.
Speaker 1: The one thing about the twins is they're sixteen now,
Speaker 1: and you know I used to kind of always tease
Speaker 1: real conversations that I knew were coming down the line,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I remember the first time
Speaker 1: they saw me smoking. I think they were like eight
Speaker 1: years old, and I put them to sleep and they
Speaker 1: saw me down by the pool looking out the window.
Speaker 1: The next day they're like, Dad, we saw you smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, what you mean you saw me? Like
Speaker 1: we saw you by the pool. I was like oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, do I lie to them? Do I
Speaker 1: tell them the truth? And I'm like, no, actually that
Speaker 1: it was a joint. They're like, well, what's the joint?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Like, oh shit, like we you know how Daddy's knees
Speaker 1: and back and I'm sore all the time. So instead
Speaker 1: of drinking alcohol or taking a painkill of my stomacher
Speaker 1: at all, smoke a joint and it helps the pain
Speaker 1: go away and it helps me sleep.
Speaker 2: And they're like oh okay. And then one of the
Speaker 2: Carter's like, well I just sprain my ankle. When can
Speaker 2: I smoke? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So again, teasing a conversation that I know, like at
Speaker 1: sixteen now, like they know that their dad smokes, but
Speaker 1: they also we've had conversations about what to do and
Speaker 1: don't and and you know, and where they're at in
Speaker 1: their life.
Speaker 2: And I think, to your point, you like, I had.
Speaker 1: A lot of friends that were protected up until they
Speaker 1: got their freedom, and then once they got their freedom,
Speaker 1: they went crazy crazy. So my whole thing is like,
Speaker 1: let's let's give them, you know, the crumbs. They need
Speaker 1: to be prepared for, like you said, life, Like you said,
Speaker 1: you look at it as a game, but life is
Speaker 1: a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, prepare them in that manner too. So I
Speaker 2: definitely agree. You can't. You can't hold your son.
Speaker 3: And so what's funny is when you say that. We
Speaker 3: literally just had this conversation in the car, and I
Speaker 3: believe in making mistakes is fast as you can, right,
Speaker 3: or doing things you know, Listen, I don't condone you know,
Speaker 3: hard drugs. I don't condone those type of things. Now,
Speaker 3: if you do it, it's your journey. Now hopefully you
Speaker 3: do it when you get older. Now, if you do
Speaker 3: do it when you get older. Of course, even when
Speaker 3: you're younger, there's consequences, right. My dad's told me when
Speaker 3: I was younger, you can make all the mistakes you want.
Speaker 3: You just don't get to choose the consequences. Consequences are there.
Speaker 3: That's just what it is. But we were having this
Speaker 3: conversation to car, my son and I and I've been
Speaker 3: more acceptable of it's okay to make the mistake, make
Speaker 3: these mistakes, or say, if you want a shop and
Speaker 3: you get a lot of money, you just want to
Speaker 3: start buying stuff. Sooner or later it become boring, right things.
Speaker 3: Do as much as you can now get it out
Speaker 3: the way, so then now later on in life, you
Speaker 3: won't be a prisoner to that feeling. And that's what
Speaker 3: I believe in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely both A you dads, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: any secret that the system is broken, much different from
Speaker 1: when we came up, and even when we were coming
Speaker 1: up it was still predatorial, but now it's just fucking insane.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on it?
Speaker 1: Because obviously Miles is playing it and then the Twins
Speaker 1: are playing it, But what are your thoughts on the currently?
Speaker 3: You know what's so when I'm watching it, it's it's
Speaker 3: I would say ninety something percent of the coaches don't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing right, and it's and again no
Speaker 3: disrespect to them, but you didn't even have to take
Speaker 3: a test to be able to be a coach, right,
Speaker 3: It's like we've we've played this game and was coached
Speaker 3: by some of the best. So if we've been battle
Speaker 3: tested when it comes to that. A lot of these
Speaker 3: coaches and and you know some of them, our fathers
Speaker 3: just wanting to stay close to their kids or whatever
Speaker 3: it is, moms whatever, wanted close to their kids. And
Speaker 3: I understand that, but the expectations of the parent is
Speaker 3: delusional to me, crazy right, Like it's just like you're
Speaker 3: not even working out during the week. You may practice
Speaker 3: once or twice during the week. Is that an organized
Speaker 3: practice on your strengths? And then when the weekend comes,
Speaker 3: you're gonna let your son daughter shoot or dribble in
Speaker 3: a game like this when during the week they didn't
Speaker 3: even practice that, That to me is mind boggling. I
Speaker 3: have no clue. How do you get how do you
Speaker 3: become successful in those te right? Draw up plays? And
Speaker 3: why did you run this play? And how do you
Speaker 3: talk to the kids and things happen? Like they're not
Speaker 3: prepared for those things.
Speaker 1: I think it's less about teaching and more about winning,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? They want to win, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's kind of obviously
Speaker 1: you want to win. But that's why I got in
Speaker 1: this space, Like I've been teaching since I've been in
Speaker 1: this space, like teaching how do you play in space?
Speaker 1: How do you play without the ball in your hands?
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a deeper conversation. You're seeing
Speaker 1: all these over the water kids come in knowing how
Speaker 1: to play basketball as a team. I think we're so
Speaker 1: locked in on putting your head down and how many
Speaker 1: times can you cross someone over, that we forget the
Speaker 1: real aspects of the game, the cutting, the screening, the flaring,
Speaker 1: the slipping, the pick and roll. Like so it's just
Speaker 1: like I've been teaching kids in this space, and I agree,
Speaker 1: I probably, yeah, probably about ninety percent of these motherfuckers
Speaker 1: don't know shit. And then the parents on top of
Speaker 1: it are crazy. You couldn't tell no parent in the
Speaker 1: gym or their child that they're not going to the league,
Speaker 1: like everyone in that mind.
Speaker 2: I'm there, okay, I think.
Speaker 3: Who I was talking to, and I was saying that
Speaker 3: they should ban kids from training with so called pro
Speaker 3: trainers because the sense of entitlement, Like you think because
Speaker 3: Matt Barnes Contino movie, whoever it is that will pro
Speaker 3: and they're training with this person. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: when you train and you do the same, First of all,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be doing pro moves because grade school, high school,
Speaker 3: even in college, you don't have that much spacing, So
Speaker 3: you should learn to master the fundamentals as fast as possible. Right,
Speaker 3: I don't know why you're doing the triple step bag
Speaker 3: cross over here behind your back, Kyrie Irving, for what reason.
Speaker 3: You're not even gonna get the ball that much, right,
Speaker 3: So it's just I don't it's mind bothering to me
Speaker 3: that kids are able to train with pros or with
Speaker 3: that pro trainer and then all of a sudden, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm just as good as you. I'm gonna be I'm
Speaker 3: like that. No, No, that's not how this one works. Pop,
Speaker 3: It don't work like that. Just because I hang around
Speaker 3: one buffet don't mean i'n be a billionaire.
Speaker 1: Right for real? Literally, that's the same sh Philly upbringing.
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that. And when did
Speaker 1: you find basketball?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That's crazy, man.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So I was blessed with four parents, right, stepfather, stepmother, mom, dad,
Speaker 3: And I said that if anything my parents got right
Speaker 3: was picking the right step parents for mend Yeah, man,
Speaker 3: because they they love me like I was theirs. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I never met I'm telling you, man,
Speaker 3: I never went through life where I question if they
Speaker 3: loved me or not. You know what I'm saying. My
Speaker 3: stepfather loved me to the tea like well Shee Wallace
Speaker 3: to tell you, I would war all of them. He
Speaker 3: made sure all of me. He made sure everybody was
Speaker 3: good all the time. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: the love that he showed me and in love with
Speaker 3: my dad showed me is like I want to be
Speaker 3: like them, man, right, I want to be like them
Speaker 3: or better. And you know, growing up in North Philadelphia,
Speaker 3: of course it's rough. You fight and you do all
Speaker 3: this stuff. But I started boxing early. It was boxing,
Speaker 3: it was football, and then for football, I said, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm starting in high school and football and I can't
Speaker 3: even play freshman in basketball because I never played back.
Speaker 3: I picked him a basketball at thirteen, fourteen years old, right,
Speaker 3: So I didn't know how to play basketball, and it
Speaker 3: was hard for me, right, and my ego, you know,
Speaker 3: drove me to become better. But it was a struggle early. Right.
Speaker 3: So my freshman had freshman JV in varsity. My freshman year,
Speaker 3: I made the freshman team. I don't know why they
Speaker 3: did it. But they put me on a freshman team.
Speaker 3: I didn't play one minute bro until the end of
Speaker 3: the season, and I got in the game and I
Speaker 3: had four foules in two minutes. Like I was just
Speaker 3: crashing on me, I was crashing in the people. It
Speaker 3: was just, you know, just being a football player in
Speaker 3: the boxer. It was like frustration, you know, not knowing
Speaker 3: that things is going so fast. And then I said
Speaker 3: to myself, I love this sport so much. And my
Speaker 3: stepfather was like, listen, if you love it, you need
Speaker 3: to really focus on. You need to watch film, you
Speaker 3: need to train, you need to practice, you need to
Speaker 3: do this. And then my sophomore year I started to
Speaker 3: get better, but I didn't play varsity until my senior year. Really,
Speaker 3: I was fourteen.
Speaker 2: Back in the day, the normal age, but the age
Speaker 2: is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was fourteen. I was fourteen years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I used to listen. I used to get my ass.
Speaker 3: Boy man, these kids, these guys that were older than
Speaker 3: me to play in varsity. They would beat me one
Speaker 3: on one so bad. Every single time. I used to cry,
Speaker 3: like I'm like a sophomore, like I can't get this,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I literally didn't know what to do.
Speaker 3: And then I got bigger and stronger and faster, and
Speaker 3: then before you know it now and I'm beating them consistently.
Speaker 3: And then it grew from there. But you know, growing
Speaker 3: up in Philadelphia, you know, on top of basketball, because
Speaker 3: that kept me out of trouble because soon as you
Speaker 3: leave the gym, you know, you got to get on
Speaker 3: the bus. This shit happened, it's things is going on,
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff. But I was very blessed
Speaker 3: to have Alva Williams, Rashid Wallace, Jason Lost and a
Speaker 3: lot of those guys, my cousin kam out Yard, Kyda Williams,
Speaker 3: Like I used to have really solid individuals around me,
Speaker 3: and it kept me from doing stupid stuff. Because my
Speaker 3: older brother is serving three lifetimes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: My dad's a two striker, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's like I going to see my
Speaker 3: uncle in jail. At a very young age, I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be here though this is smaller
Speaker 3: than my room, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 3: was thinking like that at a young age where it
Speaker 3: wasn't cool to do those things.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And my uncle was always telling me that too. While
Speaker 3: he was in prison. He's like, I can't wait to
Speaker 3: get out. And it's funny because when he got out,
Speaker 3: I was in Orlando, and you know, you're in the
Speaker 3: gated community and I ain't even notice. When you're in
Speaker 3: the gated community and a felon comes in, everyone has
Speaker 3: to know it. So I had to Hell, I had
Speaker 3: to tell everybody that my uncle, you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: he served twenty three years. What are you for a murder?
Speaker 3: But he was the coolest thing to everybody, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like it was, it was just it
Speaker 3: was a moment in my life where it's like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is crazy, Like you know, this man getting out
Speaker 3: and he's changed his whole life. He passed away some
Speaker 3: years after that, but just to be in jail for
Speaker 3: so long on a mistake of emotions, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And that's what a lot of us. I
Speaker 3: was telling my son that too, just like we men,
Speaker 3: if you can't control your emotions, you in trouble.
Speaker 2: Mmm.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, I had to learn the hard way
Speaker 1: A few times. Was she you mentioned she he a
Speaker 1: little bit older than you, same age. What was she
Speaker 1: like back then?
Speaker 3: She was the she bro. She was the same as
Speaker 3: he is now. You know what what's crazy about she
Speaker 3: that people don't know? It's he's better. Like you watch
Speaker 3: him in the pros. She was super talented. But he
Speaker 3: could have been a superstar if he wanted to. He
Speaker 3: just grew up differently. He grew up where he was
Speaker 3: a team guy, right lab the coach taught him the
Speaker 3: right way. Is like like Lebron when he first came in,
Speaker 3: he was getting you know, yeah, like if he's open,
Speaker 3: pass it to him, if this is give it to
Speaker 3: him this, get him open. Like she was that type
Speaker 3: of person And I think that's just a personality trait, right,
Speaker 3: it's just hard to be. There's a good selfish and
Speaker 3: there's a bad selfish. Right, he had he had a
Speaker 3: good selfishes about him where he knew how to play
Speaker 3: and make everybody around him that much better, right because
Speaker 3: he was number one, eighth grader, number one, twelve grader,
Speaker 3: number one, He was number one and everything. He never
Speaker 3: was number one, never number two, three four, He was
Speaker 3: always number one, correct and you never you never saw
Speaker 3: that in him, really like he was always everybody just
Speaker 3: all of us bringing everybody together, even on the court.
Speaker 1: He was like that man, Cob is a couple of
Speaker 1: years younger than you. Yeah, and he running with him
Speaker 1: in the high school time we're out of Philly hooping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well in Philly hooping. Yeah. But never in high
Speaker 3: school Cob was in I fear it was not like
Speaker 3: a private like like kind of like with Notre Dame
Speaker 3: and like Sierra can On. Now he was in like
Speaker 3: that type of league. I was in the Catholic league
Speaker 3: and then she was in the public league. So we
Speaker 3: didn't play each other. One and two is I was
Speaker 3: already three years older, four years older than Cob. So
Speaker 3: Covid is your age now, okay two years old? Okay,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah yeah yeah, so yeah cold forty seven watching
Speaker 3: him we were younger. So we were this one time
Speaker 3: we was at Saint Joe's right, and we used to
Speaker 3: work out at Saint Joe's University, you know gym, And
Speaker 3: after a while he would not work out with us.
Speaker 3: He would go into the other part and then it
Speaker 3: was a smaller gym and he would it was like
Speaker 3: a little window and he would tape the window and
Speaker 3: lock the door so we couldn't see what he was
Speaker 3: doing by himself, by himself, by himself, bro. And I
Speaker 3: sit there. And then when I got to the pros,
Speaker 3: because he's always encouraged me, like yo, kill you know,
Speaker 3: be aggressive. He used to always tell me that, always
Speaker 3: tell me that. And then after a while, I started
Speaker 3: getting better and better and better, and like I would
Speaker 3: notice when I was about to play him, because he
Speaker 3: would stop. We would stop talking for that week. We
Speaker 3: wouldn't talk for that week. And then after I finished playing,
Speaker 3: then to go back to talking. And I started to
Speaker 3: understand that after my end of my first year, my
Speaker 3: six second year started and I would ask him, you know,
Speaker 3: about the family and anything like that, and it was
Speaker 3: very short, right, it was like very short. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I get it now, fratnizing, got you, Okay, We're not
Speaker 3: friends today, gotcha all right? And then it spoke from there.
Speaker 1: You end up choosing Rhode Island. Was that your first choice?
Speaker 1: Or you ever consider going anywhere else?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 3: No, man, So I went to Maine Central Institute, and
Speaker 3: it was top in the country, I think when I
Speaker 3: first got there. Sam Cassell went there, Kron Butler went there.
Speaker 3: So we were top in the country, and we had
Speaker 3: at the time, it was Rick Patino and Thompson and
Speaker 3: everybody coming to watch us, right, And I had big schools, right,
Speaker 3: Temple at the time. Temple was ranked top five at
Speaker 3: the time. I think they were about to play Michigan
Speaker 3: in the tournament and Kentucky and all these schools. And
Speaker 3: I was actually scared to go to those schools because
Speaker 3: in my brain, I was like, well, I'm either gonna
Speaker 3: sit or am I good enough? Like it was an
Speaker 3: aposter syndrome for me, you know, because I came from
Speaker 3: Catholic League in Philadelphia. Even though at that time it
Speaker 3: was a lot of pros. I was playing around, but
Speaker 3: we didn't know we were pros, right, So there was
Speaker 3: a bit of fear and imposter syndrome in me. I
Speaker 3: wasn't a cocky kid. I just I was scared. So
Speaker 3: my fear got me better. Right. So once I'm playing
Speaker 3: now and I'm leading our team and we're topping the
Speaker 3: nation in prep school, my confidence got better. But I
Speaker 3: didn't get cocky. I was just still scared, right, So
Speaker 3: I was living off of fear basically, right. And then
Speaker 3: my boy Sean Colson, who was with me at Maine
Speaker 3: Central Institute. You know, he was more cockier, more more
Speaker 3: more confident with himself and everything, and he was a
Speaker 3: really good player. He was like, yo, let's let's be
Speaker 3: big fish in a little pond. And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: I mean where you want to go. He's like, let's
Speaker 3: go to Rhode Island A ten. They fourth, you know
Speaker 3: at back at that time, you know, it was like
Speaker 3: the fourth best conference, third fourth best conference in the nation.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, so yeah, we can, you know,
Speaker 3: build them up. I'm like all right, Like I didn't
Speaker 3: know nothing about nothing. I'm like, all right, let's go.
Speaker 3: It's my guy from home with both a MCI, so
Speaker 3: let's do that. So that's how Rhode Island came about.
Speaker 3: And he left. Actually when Tyson Wheeler, they recruited Tyson
Speaker 3: Wheeler also he left, and you mean rest is history
Speaker 3: with me and Tyson and Tyson became my best friend,
Speaker 3: you know, in college, and we made that little run.
Speaker 3: Jim Herritt, Jim, I love him so much. Jim Herrick
Speaker 3: was the best man. It's crazy as I think of now,
Speaker 3: I think of all the nil deals and the dinners
Speaker 3: and all the stuff that people are going through now
Speaker 3: and it's like that man was a he was my
Speaker 3: oracle in college. Man, ye're'mnna tell you one story. We plan,
Speaker 3: we play Murray State and we beat them, commensally beat them.
Speaker 3: So now we're watching Paul piercing them Kansas, they number
Speaker 3: one in the country. Were watching them play Prairie View.
Speaker 3: Paul all up, they jumping around and acting all silly.
Speaker 3: And then I'm staying with coach and he was like,
Speaker 3: you want to go to the NBA. I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course. He's like, I need thirty. I need a
Speaker 3: w in thirty on them. I said, I got your coach,
Speaker 3: no problem. And we played Paul and them. It was
Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, but
Speaker 3: it was it was a great game and we beat them.
Speaker 3: And that's my first time really interacting with Paul because
Speaker 3: after the game you'll see me like when he when
Speaker 3: he lost and he was like kneeling down. At first,
Speaker 3: I felt sad, and then after a couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you getting drafted. I don't know what you're
Speaker 3: sad about. You're about to be a millionaire, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But uh, gym coach Eric, he didn't
Speaker 3: talk basketball, though he talked about life, life like he
Speaker 3: you know, made you read certain books and you know,
Speaker 3: be a good man, and you know you're gonna at
Speaker 3: this moment in time in your life, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: certain obstacles, you know, get over him quick like all
Speaker 3: these different little you know stories he would give us,
Speaker 3: and I gravitate him to him the most because that's
Speaker 3: just how I thought.
Speaker 1: You ended up scoring thirty You guys just won thirty Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty two and you beat him, yeah, yeah, knocked him
Speaker 1: out the tournament.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, got him out of there, got him out
Speaker 3: of there, got him out of there.
Speaker 2: Four year player, second round pick. You're there? What are
Speaker 2: your first thoughts?
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny? So we had a little
Speaker 3: party at my crib and I was living in Mount
Speaker 3: Airy shout out to Mount Area. So I was living
Speaker 3: in Mount Area at the time, and all the family
Speaker 3: members came over. Whatever you and uh. I thought that
Speaker 3: the San Antonio Spurs was gonna pick me at twenty
Speaker 3: I think they had twenty four. Remembery serving these correctly,
Speaker 3: because they were like, we're gonna get you at twenty four,
Speaker 3: and they picked Felipe Lopez and I'm like, damn, so
Speaker 3: now I'm scared. Right, So Alvin there with me, like
Speaker 3: all my boys are there with me. Whatever. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm nervous. Now what I don't get picked? Oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. Boom second round comes thirty one, thirty two,
Speaker 3: thirty three, and I'm like, I'm now, Matt, I'm scared
Speaker 3: as hell. Now you already know how that is. Right,
Speaker 3: It's a commercial. I go outside, walk down the street,
Speaker 3: I come back. I sit on my bed and watching
Speaker 3: looking at the TV and it's yeah, throwing a commercial
Speaker 3: Houston Rocket select Katina moby Do forty one.
Speaker 2: Man, I you saw it on the bottom line, bottom
Speaker 2: line we had.
Speaker 3: I jumped all the way down the flight of steps,
Speaker 3: ran outside, ran all the way down the street the dog.
Speaker 3: I was crying. It was the best feel in the world.
Speaker 3: And then that's when Scottie Pippen and Rudy Tom Johnavan
Speaker 3: hit me.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a story involving a childhood wallet
Speaker 1: and a phone call from Scottie like break that down.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so manifestation is real. I believe it, bro
Speaker 3: whether you whatever you're scared of. And I teach people
Speaker 3: this now and then my journey and what I do
Speaker 3: in life coaching. But I had Scottie Pippen and Eddie
Speaker 3: Jones's basketball cards in my wallet and I used to
Speaker 3: always keep them because they were my favorite because they
Speaker 3: did so much. Eddie was a close friend of mine
Speaker 3: because he went to Temple, but I just love the
Speaker 3: way he played because he was a three level score.
Speaker 3: And then Scotty, not knowing even knowing Scotty, just watching
Speaker 3: how he played the game of basketball. He did everything
Speaker 3: and I love that. So I get a phone call
Speaker 3: and it's Rudy and Scotty, and I'm like, this is unbelievable,
Speaker 3: not knowing about manifestation that there's not even in my
Speaker 3: willlhouse at the moment. But then I look back at
Speaker 3: it and I'm like, wow, everything I think of, everything,
Speaker 3: I write down, everything I believe in, everything I visualize
Speaker 3: will happen in my life. So then I tried my
Speaker 3: best to control that destiny a lot more from there.
Speaker 3: But Scotty was like, you're ready, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready. He's like, all right, I'll see
Speaker 3: you in a minute. And I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I couldn't believe it. I kept my
Speaker 3: jersey on. I slept in my jersey for like three
Speaker 3: or four days.
Speaker 1: Where but this team's loaded though, this is Scottie Barkley,
Speaker 1: really loaded dog.
Speaker 2: With legends legend no yeah for facts, yeah older legend
Speaker 2: for fact.
Speaker 1: That completely changes just your whole trajectory kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: having vets like that, like the league. I feel like
Speaker 1: the league misses and I'm I don't even know what
Speaker 1: they did for you, but I'm saying you have like
Speaker 1: some legendary vets on that team.
Speaker 3: So all right, So this may seem corny, right, it's
Speaker 3: just how I am in life. But when it comes
Speaker 3: to this, first of all, I must have did something
Speaker 3: really well, really good in the past life, because not
Speaker 3: only did I have an amazing four parents, right that
Speaker 3: there was no beating, no molestation, no nothing. There was
Speaker 3: a lot of love, and of course I grew up tough,
Speaker 3: but still right, there was a lot of that. But
Speaker 3: then my career where you come into your rookie year.
Speaker 3: Listen to this man, You come in your rookie year
Speaker 3: and you have arguably the best three men at the time. Ever,
Speaker 3: next to Larry Bird, you have arguably the best forever.
Speaker 3: Next to Karl Malone at that time before Tim Duncan is,
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley and then arguably the one of the top
Speaker 3: three best centers ever in a kem Olajuwan on your team.
Speaker 3: So God is saying, okay, you're gonna learn from all
Speaker 3: three of them what to do and what not to do,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, and then your very
Speaker 3: first game you ever play, you have a game winner
Speaker 3: top of the key three pointer, like, come on, like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing here right like eight billion people?
Speaker 3: And this is what you give me? Okay, I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try my best to do what I can.
Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about Dream Dream, that's my guy.
Speaker 3: Dream would sit in the back bro on a plane
Speaker 3: and do a lot of like practicing, like I think
Speaker 3: it was Arabic. You can practice arab but Charles and
Speaker 3: all of them, it's like you know when you're on
Speaker 3: a plane, it's like the four seat thing where it's
Speaker 3: like the four seats, yeah, and they like they gamble, yeah,
Speaker 3: gamblers say whatever. I would sit like this is my
Speaker 3: chair and this was dream chair right next to mine.
Speaker 3: But it was like, you know, space, and then he
Speaker 3: was on the other side, and Dream, to me, was
Speaker 3: the most calming individual, very to himself, but yet very
Speaker 3: aware of what's going on outside, knowing that Charles and
Speaker 3: Scotty and all of them are gambling, or knowing that
Speaker 3: this person is doing this, and knowing. But he stayed
Speaker 3: in his own world. And if you wanted to come
Speaker 3: in this world, he teach you. So I asked Dream, like, Yo,
Speaker 3: what do you read all you want to know? Come on?
Speaker 3: I got you, young fellow, Come on, and he would
Speaker 3: teach me a little bit. It is. But I was younger,
Speaker 3: I might dream. I can't be that discipline right now.
Speaker 3: I like girls too much. Man, I'm you tripping man.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like that religion ain't good
Speaker 3: for me right now now. I can't do that. You
Speaker 3: got it, chair, But he used to like I just
Speaker 3: went to Houston not too long ago, and we traded books.
Speaker 3: I give him books. He gave me some books to read,
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. But Dream was always my guy. Man,
Speaker 3: he was you know again. The message was when I
Speaker 3: went to the rockets was this is how you present
Speaker 3: yourself as a man. Dream, This is how you train
Speaker 3: as a pro Scottie and this is what you should
Speaker 3: not do. Chuck.
Speaker 2: Tell me about Chuck. I hear it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, listen, I love them all, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I used to carry this little brown,
Speaker 3: beat up bag and he had money in the bag,
Speaker 3: like it's like a Duffel, not even a Chuck money.
Speaker 3: And they would let me hang with them, right, And
Speaker 3: it was a privilege, right. I kept my mouth shut
Speaker 3: you chill out, And not that it was like bad stuff,
Speaker 3: but it's just like when your rookies don't talk.
Speaker 2: Just just be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 3: Chill out. You don't even enter. I don't care if
Speaker 3: they ask you a question, keep it short, shut up
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, right, Whereas a lot of kids
Speaker 3: now they want to talk more, act like they're part
Speaker 3: of it, you know what I mean. But uh, Chuck,
Speaker 3: I love Chuck man. If it wasn't for Chuck, you know, Scottie,
Speaker 3: you know, dream like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be where
Speaker 3: I'm at one. But Chuck was just he was a
Speaker 3: people's person, always like that. He would sit at a
Speaker 3: bar and talk to everybody and you know, just be
Speaker 3: friendly and things like that. And you know, he was
Speaker 3: about principal too. You can't just say anything because he
Speaker 3: might toss you over the bar, bushing your heat. Like
Speaker 3: Charles was that type of guy, right, but it was
Speaker 3: a lot of the older I get. You put yourself
Speaker 3: in situations to react right or not, and he would
Speaker 3: put hisself in those situations where dream more conservative chilling
Speaker 3: don't want no problems, so he stayed away from even
Speaker 3: anything that would try to give him a problem, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I learned from all three
Speaker 3: of them and that short period of time. But Chuck
Speaker 3: is a very loving, like just good dude.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: He's such a good dude, and you know, I just
Speaker 3: love watching him now to this day. It's just funny
Speaker 3: to watch, you know what I'm saying. Pep, No no tipping, pipping.
Speaker 3: He Scottie man. First of all, if it was for
Speaker 3: Scotty Pippen, no one would know. Katino Mobley, I promised
Speaker 3: to God, promised to God. He from the very beginning
Speaker 3: was like, you gotta play him now, Matt, it's now, y'all.
Speaker 3: Notice it's six contracts ahead of me. It's guaranteed contracts
Speaker 3: ahead of me. My rookie year never played point guard
Speaker 3: before put him in the game. Let him play. Now
Speaker 3: that Rudy Tom j down beach, but also too is god.
Speaker 3: That's that's Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson like big guards. So
Speaker 3: if you can bring the ball up, all I want
Speaker 3: you to do is bring the ball up. That's all
Speaker 3: I want you to do. Don't get RiPP bring the
Speaker 3: ball up, make it three, stay out the way. That's
Speaker 3: your job your first year. And if Scotty liked small guards,
Speaker 3: I probably would have never been known. But he liked
Speaker 3: bigger guards. Right, So see, you had lined up for me,
Speaker 3: and all I did do was just take advantage of it.
Speaker 3: So I did that. But Scotty was practice at ten.
Speaker 3: Scotty's in there like seven lifting. I'm in there with him,
Speaker 3: just learning how to be a pro. What I she before?
Speaker 3: She afterwards? Right, getting shots up after the practice, like
Speaker 3: he taught me how to do those because sometimes dream
Speaker 3: was on like a fast Charles may not even come
Speaker 3: to practice, you know what I'm saying. And it bumped
Speaker 3: heads with Scotti because he don't come from that. So
Speaker 3: he was looking at Charles like, yo, dog, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? Like we're total opposite. It's kind of like
Speaker 3: Kobe and Shaq at the time. Right, It's like, you
Speaker 3: can be the most dominant if you take care of
Speaker 3: you and be more disciplined. You know. I don't know
Speaker 3: Shaq and Kobe's actual interaction when it came to that,
Speaker 3: but it's kind of that similar kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Can you feel the beef between them two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when it came to games that we could
Speaker 3: win with just them, right, forget all us young guys,
Speaker 3: all young guys, just be just be out there. We'll
Speaker 3: win the game. But I need you and your energy
Speaker 3: to help me do this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that's what Chicago and yeah, man, he's just professional
Speaker 3: like this in the gym, lifting, shooting, dissecting games like
Speaker 3: just the angles on a court defensively teach you and
Speaker 3: you be sitting like wow, that's crazy, right, Like how
Speaker 3: he did those things and he encouraged you to make mistakes.
Speaker 3: Just keep doing it, keep don't worry about it. Shoot
Speaker 3: the next one. Like those type of things.
Speaker 1: Summer workout, summer training, you know, MJ. Scotti, Charles and
Speaker 1: can you have a lot of great people around you, Tim?
Speaker 2: What were those summer sessions like.
Speaker 3: The best in the world. Houston, Texas in ninety nine
Speaker 3: two thousand and two thousand and one. You couldn't. There's
Speaker 3: no nothing x kg. It was nothing better than that is.
Speaker 2: That old boys runs Lucas Lucas. That's what that was.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, us about nothing, yep, yeah yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 3: So what he would do is so Avery Johnson started
Speaker 3: this one the five on five and it would be
Speaker 3: Antonio mcdice, Tim Duncan, kg Me, Sam Gasell, Nick van Nexell,
Speaker 3: Steve Francis. I mean, you name it. The top of
Speaker 3: the top. People were playing in this gym and it
Speaker 3: was only one court, one court to nine, so you
Speaker 3: better have your a game, like we're not playing these games.
Speaker 3: So not only were we playing physical and it was competitive,
Speaker 3: but then we will work out afterwards, right, so teach
Speaker 3: you how to be a pro early. And then John
Speaker 3: Lucas would do He would have like five on this side,
Speaker 3: five on the side and five in the middle. So
Speaker 3: you score here, now you take the ball, now you
Speaker 3: go over. Then the next five come on. He would
Speaker 3: just rotate you like that, right, So he and then
Speaker 3: he was he was amazing. I swear man, God loved
Speaker 3: me so much and still to this day of course,
Speaker 3: that he put me in that position early in life.
Speaker 3: And the more I think about it, to have you
Speaker 3: got John Lucas who's recovering at it, you have Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 3: you have you have all walks of life at your
Speaker 3: becking call so you can become your best version of yourself.
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like the game misses now, Yes,
Speaker 1: is that that that guidance, that leadership, that that just
Speaker 1: the og there to kind.
Speaker 2: Of really loll down how it should be.
Speaker 1: All that's how we came into the game. All day
Speaker 1: after your rookie year, they trade for Steve. What's what's
Speaker 1: your guys connection like off the rip? Obviously you guys
Speaker 1: grew tremendous chemistry on the court, But what was that
Speaker 1: first interaction?
Speaker 3: Like you know it started actually at the runs Avery
Speaker 3: Johnson runs it. So I'm gonna back it up a
Speaker 3: little bit. Mike, Michael Dickerson and I were of the
Speaker 3: back court. Fire Oh, fire.
Speaker 2: Man, go look up. Michael Dickerson went to Arizona.
Speaker 3: Listen, he was this This ball was so strong. He
Speaker 3: was warming up the two twenty.
Speaker 2: Five like a football player.
Speaker 3: Bro nineteen ninety eight two twenty five warm ups. You
Speaker 3: can forget about it. We used to slot box all
Speaker 3: the time. That's my dude. So his father was tought
Speaker 3: them boxing the whole thing. So we had that in common.
Speaker 3: But when I tell you first of all, Mike, Chess
Speaker 3: come way out here. Chess, come way out here. He
Speaker 3: would warm up to two twenty five man. His pull
Speaker 3: up game, he would his wonderable pull up game was
Speaker 3: un it was unbelievable. Mike was amazing. We in the
Speaker 3: summertime and we're in Maui after our rookie year. We
Speaker 3: in Maui, Me, Mike GP, Jason Kidd, Doug who else,
Speaker 3: Sean Kemp put it on. It was kind of like
Speaker 3: he got ball Challenge or something like that, right, so
Speaker 3: what do you know? What? You know what the Skills
Speaker 3: Challenge is now? Doug Detland trimp started that in Maui
Speaker 3: and he had sponsors and it did so well. I
Speaker 3: won that event by just let y'all know. So in Maui,
Speaker 3: the all the dribbling and shooting the whole thing. So
Speaker 3: I won four out of the five and wins that
Speaker 3: run the whole I won the whole thing. So then
Speaker 3: they had the models there. The remember Tire Banks, the
Speaker 3: supermodel at the time, and all these different that lifted
Speaker 3: that bro. Debt lifted that bro that was debtlan Trimp,
Speaker 3: and then the NBA took it and put it inside
Speaker 3: the Skills Challenge up. So me and Mike are there
Speaker 3: and we're rookies, right, we just having fun. We're in
Speaker 3: Maui at the time, standing at the Grand Wall, shout
Speaker 3: out the Grand Wall abs like top hotel in the world.
Speaker 3: At the time. I get a phone call. I'm eating breakfast.
Speaker 3: I'm with Tyson Wheeler because me and Tyson went out
Speaker 3: there and it was Tyson was like, no, Tyson, get
Speaker 3: the call. Tyson like, yo, Mike, Mike Dixon just got traded.
Speaker 3: And I'm like what He's like yeah, And I went
Speaker 3: over to Mike and Mike was like her ghost face. Bro.
Speaker 3: That's the first time I saw like this is a business.
Speaker 3: They traded, Mike got Steve, and I mean, I was sad.
Speaker 3: But Mike was very reserved too, So he wasn't like
Speaker 3: a he was conservative. He wasn't like a hang with
Speaker 3: you all the time guy, but he was like my
Speaker 3: he was my dude. But Steve came along in Maryland,
Speaker 3: Philly East Coast. We just hit it off right away
Speaker 3: bro right away, and then Avery put Steven out on
Speaker 3: the team together, and we just worked our chemistry from
Speaker 3: the very start. And his mom had passed when he
Speaker 3: was twelve, so then my mom was there, and then
Speaker 3: my family, and then his dad and his sister and
Speaker 3: his grandmom, so we all joined. Yeah, it was all
Speaker 3: family and his brothers. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Obviously instanct chemistry off the court. When did that chemistry
Speaker 1: click on the court.
Speaker 3: Because I knew how to play with other great players,
Speaker 3: it wasn't difficult for me, right playing with Rashie Wallace,
Speaker 3: Ivan Williams, Kobe, Eddie Jones erin McKee Again. I remember
Speaker 3: I grew up on fear. So mine is just take
Speaker 3: the scraps. Whatever they don't do, do crash the board.
Speaker 3: Did they shoot the ball, that's a rebound and to
Speaker 3: put back you get an open shot, make use of
Speaker 3: it like that's my That was my mentality, and I
Speaker 3: grew into more confident. But I just it was I
Speaker 3: was just be more of a compliment, right, don't try
Speaker 3: to compete, just be more of a compliment. Whatever he
Speaker 3: don't do, when did you see him tired? Go at him?
Speaker 3: Make him let him rest and they go back that
Speaker 3: that was my my mindset.
Speaker 2: Steve was different.
Speaker 1: Oh god, the explosiveness of him coming out of Maryland
Speaker 1: and the same time as bad. I was a bead
Speaker 1: guy and obviously him and Steve was was neck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But before up to that point, we really hadn't seen
Speaker 1: point guards like that. Now, you you've seen since, you've
Speaker 1: seen the Russell Westbrooks and John Morants and Derrick Roses.
Speaker 2: But Steve was one of them, first ones.
Speaker 3: First ones, bro listen. He was so incredible. You ever
Speaker 3: you played with somebody and then you learned something from
Speaker 3: them in the game, like that was Steve for me,
Speaker 3: Like crashing the boards just more effort than certain things
Speaker 3: Steve would like. It was games where Steve would get
Speaker 3: seventeen rebounds and Matt when we played. Now think about
Speaker 3: this seven foot is all day long as they get paid.
Speaker 2: For real power forwards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve was literally getting fifteen seventeen rebounds some games
Speaker 3: on people and I was sitting there like this, dude,
Speaker 3: it's relentless. So when they talk about like Derreck Rose
Speaker 3: and they talk about like you know, John Moran and
Speaker 3: Russell and I love them. I love all of them,
Speaker 3: but Steve was different too. Now that boy was see
Speaker 3: him and BD those type of guards. You never seen
Speaker 3: that before before those two, you never seen that before.
Speaker 3: There wasn't no type of point cards doing it up
Speaker 3: before Steve Francis and Baron Davis. It wasn't no guards
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 2: Scary.
Speaker 1: They came in the same year, right at the same time,
Speaker 1: pick and pick right.
Speaker 3: Yep, the whole thing. It's the crazy thing. It's not
Speaker 3: even ay bonics. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's not even Steve just saked some shit about Bead
Speaker 1: the other day on someone else's show, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if b D responded yet, but it was funny.
Speaker 2: You have people laughing like they really.
Speaker 3: You don't even understand what he's saying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what.
Speaker 3: What did you just say? But I'm sleepy, Do hit
Speaker 3: me tomorrow. I don't feel like this mind game. It's
Speaker 3: just crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeao, y'all franchise told the story about ruining the summer
Speaker 1: vacation oh two because of y'all.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? So all right, so I didn't know about them.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm still playing hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm still whatever. I don't know in the back office
Speaker 3: were trying to get y'all mean.
Speaker 2: You don't know. I don't know. I don't know none
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know none of that. So boom, these
Speaker 3: start kind of explaining to us. You know, we get
Speaker 3: this kid, this that and whatever, and I'm like, Chinese kid,
Speaker 3: how big is he? Seven six?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: Is he good? At the coach? He said yeah. So
Speaker 3: he starts showing us films, this, that and whatever. So
Speaker 3: we had plans to like summertime, we out, we were
Speaker 3: ready to go have fun. No, you cancel all that.
Speaker 3: Y'all mean coming. I said, come on, coach, come on,
Speaker 3: I play too hard for this. I gotta go rest.
Speaker 3: Y'all mean coming, cancel all your plans. I'm like, god,
Speaker 3: damn it. So y'all show up. So y'all to me
Speaker 3: is like akima lachuwan, like very still, stoic, steady, right,
Speaker 3: nothing really wrapped. If it does rattle, you don't know it.
Speaker 3: So one time, not one time, but through a course
Speaker 3: of a period of time, just getting to know y'all,
Speaker 3: he's not really dominating like dunking the ball and things
Speaker 3: like that, right, And I'm looking at him like, dog,
Speaker 3: you too big? Like I'm from I'm from Lord, Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yo, you need to be you need
Speaker 3: to like break somebody neck. So I'm cussing out, cussing out.
Speaker 3: It's little guards blocking a shot. It's like stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is crazy though, I can't deal
Speaker 3: with this, But I loved him because he was just
Speaker 3: a good dude. Were playing Atlanta Bro and Theo Ratler
Speaker 3: was I think he was on a THEO man. He
Speaker 3: blocked the shot maybe twice after that, y'all mean put
Speaker 3: him in the basket. I don't know how many times
Speaker 3: I can't just really get it down. Ye Dunk had
Speaker 3: a technical file on y'all, a talking file on y'all,
Speaker 3: and his teammates love it. He was, so maybe he's
Speaker 3: mad at me. I don't know, he's probably mad at me,
Speaker 3: because you know how I get, I get a little crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to. I just I'm passionate, you know,
Speaker 3: But he maybe he's mad at me. But we came
Speaker 3: back and beat them, and y'all mean showed me a
Speaker 3: different version of himself, and from then on, y'all was
Speaker 3: just like like dominate every and what people don't understand
Speaker 3: about y'all. He can pass the ball like Joker. He
Speaker 3: could have done that. It's just our offense didn't. If
Speaker 3: he say he have Rick Adelman for a fact, he
Speaker 3: would have seen more of y'all. Me like that Chris Weber,
Speaker 3: that Brad Miller passing. He had all of it.
Speaker 1: I remember, I want to say, I remember watching his
Speaker 1: first matchup against Shack and he held his own right game.
Speaker 3: He blocked shacked twice, shot twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was.
Speaker 3: Sitting there looking like, yup, that's him. Yeah, we can
Speaker 3: go far with this dude. Like he he turned it
Speaker 3: up a notch.
Speaker 2: Tell us about that team? I mean, what what? What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What? What? Tell me about that team? So that team
Speaker 2: to me, you guys starting five.
Speaker 3: It was me, y'all, Steve, Jim Jackson, and calval Cato.
Speaker 3: That was our starting five. Right. So we were actually
Speaker 3: at that time we were third in the history of
Speaker 3: NBA defense efficiency. Right. We were stopping everybody. But the
Speaker 3: only thing is is that coach will stop us on
Speaker 3: the offense, right, instead of us letting us play on offense.
Speaker 3: He played kind of like that pat Riley back in
Speaker 3: the day possession ball. So with seventy something possessions. That's it.
Speaker 3: We're gonna make this ugly where if you have talented
Speaker 3: individuals on the other side, now you're making us think, right,
Speaker 3: but the offense is not about thinking when it comes like,
Speaker 3: it has to be that more fluid, you know, and
Speaker 3: especially when you have people that can score easy. So
Speaker 3: we were thinking more just a lot of that. But
Speaker 3: so that team to me, we played the Lakers nine
Speaker 3: times that year. Damn five to four, Lakers nine times
Speaker 3: that year, and Lakers went on to win. I mean
Speaker 3: to lose in the championship against Detroit, but I love
Speaker 3: that's my favorite team. When it came to comfort, feeling
Speaker 3: comfortable defensively right, and didn't having enough firepower offensively, if
Speaker 3: Jeff because that was Jeff's first Jeff ben Gunny's first year,
Speaker 3: so he was a little more strict because me and Steve,
Speaker 3: he was like, yo, you're like maniacs. You guys are crazy.
Speaker 3: You guys do anything right. And later on in life
Speaker 3: he understood that he should have had more patience when
Speaker 3: it came to that, But at that time, Steve and
Speaker 3: I were out of control. We were we were bro
Speaker 3: we were out of control, like we were.
Speaker 2: Idiots talking about what was it? Five shake?
Speaker 3: One shake, one shake, two shake, Yeah, one shape, two shakes.
Speaker 3: We put you on an island. So whoever it is,
Speaker 3: whoever's cooking, whoever you know. The thing what Rudy would
Speaker 3: do is if you if Matt, if you score, I
Speaker 3: don't care if if you me and Steve, if you score,
Speaker 3: we are giving it back to you. Let him do
Speaker 3: him again. We got you do him again? Kill him?
Speaker 3: You tired my turn? That's what we would do. So
Speaker 3: we would call one shake to shake, and we'll be in.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 3: How Steve would some of Steve it wasn't as serious
Speaker 3: because he'll shake somebody. He'll come miss the shot, come back,
Speaker 3: we up to or down one. He'd be like, yo,
Speaker 3: see I killed him. I'm like, dog, would you concentrate
Speaker 3: on winning the game? What's the matter with you? Are
Speaker 3: you crazy?
Speaker 2: With that?
Speaker 3: Wiggle? Was crazy?
Speaker 2: And he put Troy Hut in the trick bag all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Dog. He came over to the bench afterwards, He's like, Yo,
Speaker 3: that was crazy, wasn't it. I got him on the
Speaker 3: first one, he bit the second one.
Speaker 2: How you do that?
Speaker 3: But he's sitting on the bench telling me this. I like,
Speaker 3: in the middle of the game. Man, I swear so coach,
Speaker 3: you come over like yo, all right, end of the game.
Speaker 3: He like ya, who won it? Steve was like, I
Speaker 3: don't even feel like good cat you want it this time?
Speaker 3: Like that's that was. That was our team. That's how
Speaker 3: it was. Mouchie, you you want it.
Speaker 2: I don't forget about.
Speaker 3: Muchie Nars is crazy. Muci Nars was crazy. Bro our team.
Speaker 3: But our team was insane. It was insane and I
Speaker 3: was the only one listen for me. Dog, I wasn't
Speaker 3: as crazy, but I was a part of the craziness mix.
Speaker 3: It was just crazy Moocie Dog. He would have half
Speaker 3: his hair braided and then it was a fro on
Speaker 3: this half. He would have glitter when we come from
Speaker 3: different cities, all on his face. Like Mooch was crazy.
Speaker 3: Our team was just insane. It didn't it didn't matter.
Speaker 3: It didn't. Yeah, he couldn't sleep for because he couldn't sleep.
Speaker 2: That was move.
Speaker 3: That was move. But we just some crazy. Listen. Our
Speaker 3: team was so crazy at that time. You meet a
Speaker 3: girl in the city, you can bring it on the plane.
Speaker 2: No hose barred, no listen.
Speaker 3: Bro no, no, we ain't nobody have wives yeah, because.
Speaker 1: You because you can never old dude, you could never
Speaker 1: bring work on the plane.
Speaker 3: Listen, brought the work on the plane. I needed to
Speaker 3: want to work on the plane. Bro that I was sitting,
Speaker 3: I'm just staring at her, like you even know what
Speaker 3: you're doing? What are you getting yourself into? This is crazy.
Speaker 2: I've never heard work coming on the team playing crazy
Speaker 2: bro work in the family rooms.
Speaker 3: It was I think we messed it up, That's what
Speaker 3: it probably was. They stopped it all. They stopped it all.
Speaker 3: They stopped. And you've seen the older women looking at
Speaker 3: you that I'm telling you right now, Mama. Yeah, y'all boring.
Speaker 2: Over there, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I G Lately you've been talking to your IG fans
Speaker 1: deeply about.
Speaker 2: Women and life.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I've always liked about you too,
Speaker 1: just the you're a deep thinker and you've really been
Speaker 1: on that. Right now, talk to us a little bit
Speaker 1: about what you've been on lately, just that spirit, that
Speaker 1: energy and yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so I go to my calling right being
Speaker 3: single lectually for the next from now five years. But
Speaker 3: I go to my calling right there is I don't
Speaker 3: I'm not a prisoner to my emotions. Right, And I
Speaker 3: think that's satisfying to me. So when I'm speaking to individuals,
Speaker 3: I'm speaking I was there once, right, So I most
Speaker 3: qualified the person I used to be to coach. Right.
Speaker 3: So when I'm watching certain people go through so things,
Speaker 3: all I'm doing is trying to And again, this is
Speaker 3: no hatred towards women as, no hatred towards moms, no
Speaker 3: hatred towards whatever it is. It's just that I'm giving
Speaker 3: you my experience. And I think if I can help
Speaker 3: men really focus on their emotions and their actions, it
Speaker 3: helps you better in life. So when I'm speaking, I
Speaker 3: want everybody, male and female to be their best version
Speaker 3: of itself. Right, And we get in situations in life
Speaker 3: like for me, I can't blame my kid's mother for
Speaker 3: the things that happen in life because I chose her.
Speaker 3: I could have walked away and never had children. Right,
Speaker 3: whether it's my oldest or the youngest kids mom, it's
Speaker 3: not their fault, right, it's my situation that I didn't
Speaker 3: have boundaries in or I didn't do this, or I
Speaker 3: didn't do that. So when you choose these individuals, where
Speaker 3: were you at mentally? Right? So now we have to
Speaker 3: stake more accountability. You turn the ball over and a
Speaker 3: guy ain't catch the ball, he missed layups right? Whose
Speaker 3: fall is not his for not catching it, it's yours
Speaker 3: for throwing it? Right? So I look at life like that,
Speaker 3: so now and I have to be more accountable and
Speaker 3: more understanding that. Okay, I chose that, so now I
Speaker 3: have to live with that. How do I limit those mistakes? Okay,
Speaker 3: now I gotta stop thinking. Then I gotta pray about
Speaker 3: this one. Okay, don't do that because this can happen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it may not happen, but this the percentage of this happened.
Speaker 3: If you drive drunk a whole bunch of times, yeah
Speaker 3: you might not get but then guess what, sooner or
Speaker 3: later it's gonna catch up to me.
Speaker 2: Do you limit the mistakes on your side though? And
Speaker 2: your faults?
Speaker 1: Obviously being understanding that you put yourself in a situation.
Speaker 1: But we're still constantly evolving, and.
Speaker 2: So how do you manage that?
Speaker 3: I think for just it's just for me, right, I
Speaker 3: think when you have if you have a why, how
Speaker 3: does it matter? Right?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: My why is my kids? Right? And I've been through
Speaker 3: the fight, whether it's my oldest at time where you know,
Speaker 3: I'm bumping hands with his mom when he was younger
Speaker 3: to her and I love her to death now right,
Speaker 3: and then my youngest right bumping hands with it and
Speaker 3: spending all this money and I get custody the kids
Speaker 3: and blah blah. It's like, all right, they showed you,
Speaker 3: just like Scottie Pippen and Charles Barkley and the chem
Speaker 3: Olajawan and Rudy Tom Johnavic and all these people showed
Speaker 3: you and said I love you. The universe said, I
Speaker 3: love you. This is what I'm giving you. Right, the
Speaker 3: universe still says, I love you. I'm going to give
Speaker 3: you difficult situations so you can learn from It's not
Speaker 3: just always good. So I think that's with me, is
Speaker 3: that it's my my Why is my kids?
Speaker 1: Back to basketball quick? The Clippers. You were on one
Speaker 1: of the early teams that kind of broke through in
Speaker 1: l A. What was that team?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Funny as hell?
Speaker 2: Though, this is what.
Speaker 3: You're six five six, yes, yes, Sam Cassell, sham Boy Elton,
Speaker 3: brand Corey mcgetty, Chris Chrish. Chris was the smartest person
Speaker 3: off the court and probably the slowest on the court.
Speaker 3: Like I love Chris. He had all the game but
Speaker 3: couldn't pass out the double team to struggle. I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I never understood that. But Chris is super smart. That
Speaker 3: team was a really good team. We had a Sean Livingston,
Speaker 3: my guy. Shout out to Sean. I love him so much.
Speaker 3: Like he was. He was special, especially if he have
Speaker 3: his injuries.
Speaker 2: Like sure before his injury.
Speaker 3: No, I gave him the ball, I stripped the ball,
Speaker 3: threw it ahead to him, He's on the break, tears
Speaker 3: his knee up. So I don't know if it was
Speaker 3: the energy what. I don't know what the hell happened,
Speaker 3: but that was just it was crazy that that happened.
Speaker 2: What was he like prior to his injury, because he
Speaker 2: was young, fresh out of high.
Speaker 3: School, Sean was he was super mature. He was like
Speaker 3: older than his age. Always listen right, stayed chill like.
Speaker 3: He wasn't like very like a lot of young guy
Speaker 3: especially back then being all American and not just a
Speaker 3: high schooled American, but like top point guard in the country,
Speaker 3: and it's like so much stuff going on and living
Speaker 3: in LA and he wasn't that. He was very chilled
Speaker 3: and you know, very stoic, very you know, like confident
Speaker 3: with himself. Right. Oh yes, Oh so that was Seawan.
Speaker 3: That was Shawn and always picking your brain, asking you
Speaker 3: certain stuff like that was showing, so you know that
Speaker 3: was that was to this day, it's my guy. I
Speaker 3: haven't spoken to him in a while, but that's that's
Speaker 3: my guy. But we we had a team. You know,
Speaker 3: Rashid Wallace hated Mike Dunlevy, right, call him Mike dumb Levy, right,
Speaker 3: he hated him, hated him. A couple of guys did.
Speaker 3: And I didn't hate Mike, right, Mike was my guy,
Speaker 3: but Mike overthought the game and the team that we had.
Speaker 3: We could have went farther if he didn't get in
Speaker 3: a way with himself. Sometimes coaches get in their own way.
Speaker 3: People do in general, but especially when you were a coach,
Speaker 3: like I think personally, just to say this one and
Speaker 3: I could be so wrong. The way Duke played when
Speaker 3: they had the lead, and then the way they played
Speaker 3: when Cooper went out, it's totally different the way Houston
Speaker 3: played when they had the league and then in the
Speaker 3: second half the way they played. Right, It's like you
Speaker 3: focus more on defense opposed to like really score and
Speaker 3: it's like you sometimes you overthink it and getting your
Speaker 3: own way. Detroit Lions coach, you getting your own way,
Speaker 3: and Mike got in his own way with our team,
Speaker 3: and the next year guys got injured. I think Elton
Speaker 3: towards something happened. Yeah, something happened and we missed. That's when,
Speaker 3: y'all we believe.
Speaker 1: So you guys had it was in your court. Like
Speaker 1: if you guys won, we were out yep, and you
Speaker 1: guys happened to lose.
Speaker 2: It should have been a ta yep.
Speaker 3: So it was five games left. I popped my half
Speaker 3: against New York Elton's out, pop my calf. When you
Speaker 3: have to win one game, we won none of them.
Speaker 3: And then you guys get it.
Speaker 1: In the last game and we beat the Yeah pre Dallas, Right,
Speaker 1: you guys lost to who'd you guys lose to? It
Speaker 1: was the team you guys are supposed to beat too.
Speaker 1: We couldn't believe we heard you guys lost.
Speaker 3: I don't even know, but I was out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was past forward a little bit health issues.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. I mean, you had to
Speaker 1: step away from the game. Twenty point a game score,
Speaker 1: clutch defense, you did it all, and you know you
Speaker 1: didn't get to go out on your term, so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, Listen, I appreciate it. Listen to
Speaker 3: We have a brotherhood, right that they can't erase, right
Speaker 3: that I always have. I love this fraternity we have.
Speaker 3: But it was a misdiagnosis, right, and I didn't know that,
Speaker 3: so I came into the league. It was called hypertrophy
Speaker 3: cardio myopathy, which is HCM. The academic is HCM, and
Speaker 3: at that time, early on ninety eight ninety nine, it's
Speaker 3: athlete's heart right mixed with the thickness of the heart.
Speaker 3: So this is your heart. The walls there thicker, so
Speaker 3: the blood can't flow through, and if it doesn't flow
Speaker 3: through to the brain cuts off and then you can
Speaker 3: die automatically. Well, that wasn't my issue mine, just athletes
Speaker 3: heart right mixed with hypertension. And I didn't find it
Speaker 3: out until two thousand and ten. Right, But at that time,
Speaker 3: I'm signing contracts every single year because I had the
Speaker 3: number one cardiologist in the world. His name was Anthony Pacifico.
Speaker 3: He passed away on a private jet back in like
Speaker 3: four So after that it was problems for me. No, Well,
Speaker 3: not with the Clippers, but it was a problem for
Speaker 3: me if I had to go anywhere else because he
Speaker 3: had just greenlit. Okay, the Clippers is fine. Five clippers
Speaker 3: is fine. And it shocked me because I never thought
Speaker 3: of it being an issue, and I had I was
Speaker 3: a symptomatic that means do you have no symptoms? Right.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was passing out, I had to
Speaker 3: take medicine. It was none of that. So I was
Speaker 3: heartbroken for a little bit because I thought I had
Speaker 3: a lot more in the tank. And actually my very
Speaker 3: last game I ever played was against OKAC. I had
Speaker 3: twenty seven and I was just getting in the groove
Speaker 3: and it was me and BD on teams together. The
Speaker 3: first time I was on team with BD, and you know,
Speaker 3: I was in revenge I was like kind of like
Speaker 3: a revenge tour of like you know that last year.
Speaker 2: At this point thirty one oh man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty one, yeah, thirty one, thirty two uncost thirty two.
Speaker 3: But I was in that revenge tour of like I
Speaker 3: got I got a point guard with me that going
Speaker 3: to run the floor and give me that ball because
Speaker 3: Bed loved to pass it. And after four games that
Speaker 3: was the fourth game just with the Knicks. Right, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: I was Clippers still Clippers. Yeah, I was the Clippers.
Speaker 3: So I got traded to the Knicks and then they
Speaker 3: shelfed me. The Knicks shelf me so with a Nick
Speaker 3: shelf mean it put me in a you know again manifestation. Right,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to leave La, So I'm like, you
Speaker 3: know what, my mom was just retired, like there's no
Speaker 3: reason they be you know, I was thinking, I was
Speaker 3: thinking it. So when thinking that, now you gotta be
Speaker 3: careful what you wish for because now this situation can
Speaker 3: do that to you. So that situation occurred, and I
Speaker 3: just start going to you know, I had to go
Speaker 3: to Mayo, and then I had to go to Minnesota,
Speaker 3: and I had to go all these places to get
Speaker 3: like these different health I don't know, tests or whatever,
Speaker 3: and then come to find out I'm here at U
Speaker 3: C l A. And then I'm at Cedars. And then
Speaker 3: my doctor at Cedar says, you know what, go to
Speaker 3: the eye doctor and let him check your eyes. So
Speaker 3: then I go to the eye doctors, Oh, you have hypertension.
Speaker 3: But he only found it out because the guy at
Speaker 3: Cedars saw my dad's history and they said let's check
Speaker 3: if it's that, because seeing hypertrophic car their miopathy. What
Speaker 3: it does is it's the thickening of the walls in
Speaker 3: your heart. And like I said before, the circulation doesn't
Speaker 3: go up if you have that, it stays forever. If
Speaker 3: you don't have it, and it's maybe ah CM. I
Speaker 3: mean it may be hypertension mixed with like athletes's heart.
Speaker 3: The walls would become thinner because your muscles of hearts
Speaker 3: and muscle, and it expands right if you work out more.
Speaker 3: But if you don't have it, it shrinks back down
Speaker 3: to normal, which minds did. So there's a certain amount
Speaker 3: of genetic genes that carry if you have ACM. I
Speaker 3: had none of them, so I had to go at
Speaker 3: U C l A. I had to go there just
Speaker 3: so with my kids so I can understand that my
Speaker 3: kids they don't pass it on to them. So that's
Speaker 3: how I had to find it out. But it took
Speaker 3: a year and a half, almost two years to find
Speaker 3: all that out. It was. It was a tough thing
Speaker 3: for me because now I'm watching guys play and knowing
Speaker 3: I can play. But yeah, in the back of my
Speaker 3: head they're saying, if you play you're gonna die And
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait what Yeah, so it was it was
Speaker 3: tough for me.
Speaker 2: What was that transition like for you?
Speaker 3: It was hard, man, because I as much as I
Speaker 3: wanted to be a businessman, I wasn't ready to actually
Speaker 3: jump right into it. It's kind of like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: want to be a dad, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the baby's hea is like, I don't even know what
Speaker 3: this really means. Now, this is crazy, right, Like, I
Speaker 3: gotta take care of this, right, I gotta take care
Speaker 3: of me. I gotta be the best version of myself.
Speaker 3: So he could you don't know that You're just like,
Speaker 3: every single day you're trying to figure it out. And
Speaker 3: that's just a parrot in general, right, So that was
Speaker 3: like being a new parrot to something and that you
Speaker 3: really have to focus.
Speaker 2: On quick hitters first need to come to mind. Let
Speaker 2: me know. Top five lefties of all.
Speaker 3: Time James Harden, Chris Mullen, Mano Genobili, Nick van exel O.
Speaker 2: Damn, that was impressive.
Speaker 3: That was impressive, And I mean David Robinson of course.
Speaker 1: Geez hey, we just saw a highlight table Dave Roy
Speaker 1: put in our group chat.
Speaker 2: That motherfucker was cold. I mean I remember seeing him.
Speaker 3: God, he was insane.
Speaker 2: David Robinson was so good, bro, Oh he.
Speaker 3: Was insane though he was insane watching him.
Speaker 2: MJ. Kobe Bron Rank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, old Mike though you know I love Kobe so much.
Speaker 3: You can't tell me nothing. I'm sorry. Growing up, Mike
Speaker 3: was my goal, right, Mike was the guy. But you
Speaker 3: ever watched Weird Science And I know this is a
Speaker 3: quick hitter, but you ever watched Weird Science and you're like,
Speaker 3: you gotta build someone. You build Lebron. You don't build
Speaker 3: Kobe or Mike. You build Lebron. And that's why I
Speaker 3: think Lebron is there's Lebron, there's Kobe in this mic.
Speaker 2: Really, to me, I've never heard that order before.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that interesting one album you can
Speaker 1: listen to on repeat.
Speaker 3: Tanklan, thirty six Chambers, Dead or Alive, Muhammad Ali, Sidney Potier,
Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy, Dick Gregory, and then I would say
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra, solid.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: It's special, bro. I mean, you don't really understand a
Speaker 3: lot of what he went through for like America, for people,
Speaker 3: and that's why they silenced them. But just his intelligence
Speaker 3: and then he comes from that background of political background.
Speaker 3: So what he saw explaining those things is the perspective
Speaker 3: of itself. To me is like, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3: Why you did this right because he could have went
Speaker 3: the other route. He could have Yeah, it's easier to
Speaker 3: do the other thing right. It's like the bushes right
Speaker 3: where it's like you're Republican, you gotta stay like this
Speaker 3: you got today. He He's like, Nah, I'm cool. Nah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use gold as a reserve. I want to
Speaker 3: go to just certain things. You just want to listen
Speaker 3: to him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: One guest you would like to see on our show.
Speaker 3: That's how YA had everybody.
Speaker 2: I've been talking to your man help me. You still
Speaker 2: talk to Steve?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, helping guess.
Speaker 2: I tell him, brother, we'll fly you out, put you up,
Speaker 2: come fuck with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Steve would be great. You just never know
Speaker 3: what Steve gonna say. Steve, then you got a sense
Speaker 3: of some of that ship. You'd be talking in alien
Speaker 3: codes and ship. Uh yeah, but no, I love so.
Speaker 3: So there's different people that I listened to on a
Speaker 3: regular basis, and I think, did you do Mack move?
Speaker 2: We just did Craig Hi just too not too long ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of them. But yeah, you know I don't
Speaker 3: know Gino. No Gino from Yukon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the greatest coaches ever. Yeah you're talking about Geno.
Speaker 1: Davis was like, we don't want to interview that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Gino coaches. I think he's special. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: way he The reason why I say that is because
Speaker 3: he's been dealing with females his whole life and being
Speaker 3: able to get the best out of.
Speaker 1: Them and hold them accountable about the way he had
Speaker 1: them women playing man.
Speaker 3: Like But you think about it like this though, relationship wise, Yeah,
Speaker 3: different holds women accountable like he's able to do that
Speaker 3: and say, I don't care about your kid, your tears,
Speaker 3: do what I told you to do, stop being selfish
Speaker 3: like those. I would love to pick his brain. I
Speaker 3: want to hear how.
Speaker 2: Do you do that some of those principles in life?
Speaker 3: Yes, God damn it, Esuise, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Cat Man. I appreciate your time. Congratulations on just an
Speaker 1: amazing career. And that's the man you are overall, always
Speaker 1: a stand up dude to me, man, and I wish
Speaker 1: you nothing but the best.
Speaker 2: Thank you, no doubt yes, it's a wrap.
Speaker 1: You can catch this on all the Smoke Productions YouTube
Speaker 1: and the DraftKings Network.
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week.