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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Excited about this one today.

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Speaker 1: Obviously one of my brother's known them for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We still actually play a little pickup ball from here

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Speaker 1: to there at the district, Man, one of the fastest

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Speaker 1: two steps, fastest first steps.

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Speaker 2: In NBA history. Kid you not.

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Speaker 1: But I think what I love most about this dude

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Speaker 1: is the father side. How much emphasis he puts in

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Speaker 1: on being a dad and being a present dad. And

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Speaker 1: obviously that's what I respect a lot. But man, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. Catino Mobley, appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: This is long overdue, bro. I mean, we like, we

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Speaker 2: literally hang out.

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Speaker 1: And I've been doing the show for just just how

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Speaker 1: long I've been doing the show, I've done your show.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we finally caught up and to have

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Speaker 1: you come sit down. Man, how's everything going?

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Speaker 3: Good? Man? Life is? Life is really good? Man, I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm loving it. Man. I was just talking to my son.

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Speaker 3: We're driving in the car here. I'm just telling them

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Speaker 3: about just how life works and what true happiness is

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Speaker 3: things like that. And you know, the older I get,

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Speaker 3: the more kind of content I become right and all

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Speaker 3: material things, but yet also like the simplicity of life

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Speaker 3: and if you think about it right, like it's basketball,

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Speaker 3: like the great Ones, master the fundamentals, like the simplicity

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Speaker 3: Cole Jordan, a lot of those guys. And I think

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Speaker 3: that's the same method you should take when you live

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Speaker 3: in life.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean you think in the midst of it you

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Speaker 1: were making a bunch of money and doing whatever we want.

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Speaker 1: But I just turned forty five last month, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's I've never been more at peace and just appreciating

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Speaker 1: things and just kind of understanding life real real, it's real.

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Speaker 3: It's super real. Man.

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Speaker 2: You used to have a spot out here in LA right.

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Speaker 3: What was it called restaurant of club?

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Speaker 2: What was it? Was it a restaurant of club? It

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Speaker 2: was both.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we had everything.

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Speaker 2: It was popping though.

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Speaker 3: We had the beach house. Yeah, you have a beach

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Speaker 3: house on Sunday's is cracking.

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Speaker 1: Used to have a lot of Yeah, you used to

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Speaker 1: have a lot of festivities in the LA area. I

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Speaker 1: mean what was that like and where did that kind

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Speaker 1: of that idea come from? Because like you were the

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Speaker 1: be able to line people up with with with a

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Speaker 3: You know, the great thing about that was just meeting

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Speaker 3: different I guess, walks of life right coming from Philadelphia

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Speaker 3: and then moving you know, to all these different states,

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Speaker 3: finally landing in La I felt that home right, and

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Speaker 3: I felt more at peace when I was close to

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Speaker 3: the ocean. That was just something I learned in my life,

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Speaker 3: right the older age and thirty years old. But it

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Speaker 3: happiness on them, right, and then if I can you know,

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Speaker 3: orchestrate all these things where listen, we're gonna do dinner now,

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Speaker 3: And on Sundays we have like you know, co ed

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Speaker 3: whether you you know, it's like a casino royale that

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Speaker 3: the home on the beach that people actually gravitated to it.

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Speaker 3: I just I me personally, especially during that time of

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Speaker 2: That's dope. Fatherhood, what's that journey been like?

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Speaker 3: It's a you know what's crazy about fatherhood, brother, is

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Speaker 3: So it's not for me to push him to do

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Speaker 3: a hard position. Because of the stigma of how men

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Speaker 3: things done right. And I've learned the older I get,

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Speaker 3: go right, because I'm already because I'm what I'm doing

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Speaker 3: is I'm teaching myself boundaries. And when we were younger,

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Speaker 3: the way fast. And now you know what, I know,

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Speaker 3: it's not you reading my mind.

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Speaker 2: Is this in terms of being a father? Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, because you have to talk to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, no, you have to. I don't think you

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Speaker 1: The one thing about the twins is they're sixteen now,

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Speaker 1: and you know I used to kind of always tease

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Speaker 1: The next day they're like, Dad, we saw you smoking cigarettes.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, shit, what you mean you saw me? Like

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Speaker 1: I was like, do I lie to them? Do I

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Speaker 1: Like, oh shit, like we you know how Daddy's knees

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Speaker 2: And they're like oh okay. And then one of the

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Speaker 1: So again, teasing a conversation that I know, like at

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Speaker 2: And I think, to your point, you like, I had.

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Speaker 1: let's let's give them, you know, the crumbs. They need

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Speaker 1: to be prepared for, like you said, life, Like you said,

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Speaker 1: you look at it as a game, but life is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, prepare them in that manner too. So I

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Speaker 3: And so what's funny is when you say that. We

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Speaker 3: or doing things you know, Listen, I don't condone you know,

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Speaker 3: if you do it, it's your journey. Now hopefully you

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Speaker 3: You just don't get to choose the consequences. Consequences are there.

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Speaker 3: That's just what it is. But we were having this

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Speaker 3: Do as much as you can now get it out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely both A you dads, I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on it?

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Speaker 1: Because obviously Miles is playing it and then the Twins

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Speaker 3: You know what's so when I'm watching it, it's it's

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Speaker 3: I would say ninety something percent of the coaches don't

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Speaker 3: It's like we've we've played this game and was coached

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Speaker 3: just wanting to stay close to their kids or whatever

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Speaker 3: I understand that, but the expectations of the parent is

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Speaker 3: delusional to me, crazy right, Like it's just like you're

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Speaker 3: not even working out during the week. You may practice

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Speaker 3: once or twice during the week. Is that an organized

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Speaker 3: practice on your strengths? And then when the weekend comes,

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Speaker 3: a game like this when during the week they didn't

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Speaker 3: even practice that, That to me is mind boggling. I

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Speaker 3: have no clue. How do you get how do you

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Speaker 3: become successful in those te right? Draw up plays? And

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Speaker 3: why did you run this play? And how do you

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Speaker 3: talk to the kids and things happen? Like they're not

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Speaker 1: I think it's less about teaching and more about winning,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? They want to win, and

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's kind of obviously

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Speaker 1: you want to win. But that's why I got in

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Speaker 1: this space, Like I've been teaching since I've been in

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Speaker 1: this space, like teaching how do you play in space?

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Speaker 1: How do you play without the ball in your hands?

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that's a deeper conversation. You're seeing

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Speaker 1: all these over the water kids come in knowing how

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Speaker 1: to play basketball as a team. I think we're so

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Speaker 1: locked in on putting your head down and how many

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Speaker 1: real aspects of the game, the cutting, the screening, the flaring,

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Speaker 1: like I've been teaching kids in this space, and I agree,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you're doing the triple step bag

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Speaker 3: It don't work like that. Just because I hang around

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Speaker 1: Right for real? Literally, that's the same sh Philly upbringing.

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Speaker 3: So I was blessed with four parents, right, stepfather, stepmother, mom, dad,

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Speaker 3: I used to listen. I used to get my ass.

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Speaker 3: And my uncle was always telling me that too. While

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, I had to learn the hard way

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Speaker 1: A few times. Was she you mentioned she he a

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Speaker 3: She was the she bro. She was the same as

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Speaker 3: really good player. He was like, yo, let's let's be

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00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 3: big fish in a little pond. And I'm like, all right,

434
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 3: I mean where you want to go. He's like, let's

435
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 3: go to Rhode Island A ten. They fourth, you know

436
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,719
Speaker 3: at back at that time, you know, it was like

437
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 3: the fourth best conference, third fourth best conference in the nation.

438
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, so yeah, we can, you know,

439
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 3: build them up. I'm like all right, Like I didn't

440
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,239
Speaker 3: know nothing about nothing. I'm like, all right, let's go.

441
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 3: It's my guy from home with both a MCI, so

442
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 3: let's do that. So that's how Rhode Island came about.

443
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: And he left. Actually when Tyson Wheeler, they recruited Tyson

444
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: Wheeler also he left, and you mean rest is history

445
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 3: with me and Tyson and Tyson became my best friend,

446
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, in college, and we made that little run.

447
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 3: Jim Herritt, Jim, I love him so much. Jim Herrick

448
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 3: was the best man. It's crazy as I think of now,

449
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 3: I think of all the nil deals and the dinners

450
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: and all the stuff that people are going through now

451
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 3: and it's like that man was a he was my

452
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 3: oracle in college. Man, ye're'mnna tell you one story. We plan,

453
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 3: we play Murray State and we beat them, commensally beat them.

454
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 3: So now we're watching Paul piercing them Kansas, they number

455
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: one in the country. Were watching them play Prairie View.

456
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: Paul all up, they jumping around and acting all silly.

457
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 3: And then I'm staying with coach and he was like,

458
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: you want to go to the NBA. I said, yeah,

459
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 3: of course. He's like, I need thirty. I need a

460
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: w in thirty on them. I said, I got your coach,

461
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: no problem. And we played Paul and them. It was

462
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, but

463
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 3: it was it was a great game and we beat them.

464
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: And that's my first time really interacting with Paul because

465
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: after the game you'll see me like when he when

466
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: he lost and he was like kneeling down. At first,

467
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: I felt sad, and then after a couple of weeks,

468
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, you getting drafted. I don't know what you're

469
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: sad about. You're about to be a millionaire, you know

470
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But uh, gym coach Eric, he didn't

471
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 3: talk basketball, though he talked about life, life like he

472
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: you know, made you read certain books and you know,

473
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: be a good man, and you know you're gonna at

474
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: this moment in time in your life, it's gonna be

475
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: certain obstacles, you know, get over him quick like all

476
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: these different little you know stories he would give us,

477
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: and I gravitate him to him the most because that's

478
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: just how I thought.

479
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: You ended up scoring thirty You guys just won thirty Yeah,

480
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: thirty two and you beat him, yeah, yeah, knocked him

481
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: out the tournament.

482
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, got him out of there, got him out

483
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: of there, got him out of there.

484
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: Four year player, second round pick. You're there? What are

485
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: your first thoughts?

486
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny? So we had a little

487
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 3: party at my crib and I was living in Mount

488
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: Airy shout out to Mount Area. So I was living

489
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: in Mount Area at the time, and all the family

490
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 3: members came over. Whatever you and uh. I thought that

491
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: the San Antonio Spurs was gonna pick me at twenty

492
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: I think they had twenty four. Remembery serving these correctly,

493
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 3: because they were like, we're gonna get you at twenty four,

494
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 3: and they picked Felipe Lopez and I'm like, damn, so

495
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 3: now I'm scared. Right, So Alvin there with me, like

496
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: all my boys are there with me. Whatever. I'm like,

497
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: I'm nervous. Now what I don't get picked? Oh my god,

498
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: this is crazy. Boom second round comes thirty one, thirty two,

499
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: thirty three, and I'm like, I'm now, Matt, I'm scared

500
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 3: as hell. Now you already know how that is. Right,

501
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: It's a commercial. I go outside, walk down the street,

502
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: I come back. I sit on my bed and watching

503
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 3: looking at the TV and it's yeah, throwing a commercial

504
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: Houston Rocket select Katina moby Do forty one.

505
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: Man, I you saw it on the bottom line, bottom

506
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: line we had.

507
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: I jumped all the way down the flight of steps,

508
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: ran outside, ran all the way down the street the dog.

509
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: I was crying. It was the best feel in the world.

510
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: And then that's when Scottie Pippen and Rudy Tom Johnavan

511
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: hit me.

512
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a story involving a childhood wallet

513
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: and a phone call from Scottie like break that down.

514
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, so manifestation is real. I believe it, bro

515
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: whether you whatever you're scared of. And I teach people

516
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: this now and then my journey and what I do

517
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: in life coaching. But I had Scottie Pippen and Eddie

518
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: Jones's basketball cards in my wallet and I used to

519
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: always keep them because they were my favorite because they

520
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: did so much. Eddie was a close friend of mine

521
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: because he went to Temple, but I just love the

522
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: way he played because he was a three level score.

523
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: And then Scotty, not knowing even knowing Scotty, just watching

524
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: how he played the game of basketball. He did everything

525
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: and I love that. So I get a phone call

526
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 3: and it's Rudy and Scotty, and I'm like, this is unbelievable,

527
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: not knowing about manifestation that there's not even in my

528
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 3: willlhouse at the moment. But then I look back at

529
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: it and I'm like, wow, everything I think of, everything,

530
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: I write down, everything I believe in, everything I visualize

531
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 3: will happen in my life. So then I tried my

532
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: best to control that destiny a lot more from there.

533
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: But Scotty was like, you're ready, and I'm like, yeah,

534
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm ready. He's like, all right, I'll see

535
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: you in a minute. And I'm like, oh my god,

536
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I couldn't believe it. I kept my

537
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: jersey on. I slept in my jersey for like three

538
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 3: or four days.

539
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: Where but this team's loaded though, this is Scottie Barkley,

540
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: really loaded dog.

541
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: With legends legend no yeah for facts, yeah older legend

542
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: for fact.

543
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: That completely changes just your whole trajectory kind of, you know,

544
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: having vets like that, like the league. I feel like

545
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: the league misses and I'm I don't even know what

546
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: they did for you, but I'm saying you have like

547
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: some legendary vets on that team.

548
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: So all right, So this may seem corny, right, it's

549
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: just how I am in life. But when it comes

550
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: to this, first of all, I must have did something

551
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: really well, really good in the past life, because not

552
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: only did I have an amazing four parents, right that

553
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: there was no beating, no molestation, no nothing. There was

554
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: a lot of love, and of course I grew up tough,

555
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: but still right, there was a lot of that. But

556
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: then my career where you come into your rookie year.

557
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: Listen to this man, You come in your rookie year

558
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: and you have arguably the best three men at the time. Ever,

559
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: next to Larry Bird, you have arguably the best forever.

560
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: Next to Karl Malone at that time before Tim Duncan is,

561
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley and then arguably the one of the top

562
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: three best centers ever in a kem Olajuwan on your team.

563
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: So God is saying, okay, you're gonna learn from all

564
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: three of them what to do and what not to do,

565
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, and then your very

566
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 3: first game you ever play, you have a game winner

567
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: top of the key three pointer, like, come on, like,

568
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: what are we doing here right like eight billion people?

569
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: And this is what you give me? Okay, I appreciate you.

570
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try my best to do what I can.

571
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about Dream Dream, that's my guy.

572
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 3: Dream would sit in the back bro on a plane

573
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: and do a lot of like practicing, like I think

574
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: it was Arabic. You can practice arab but Charles and

575
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: all of them, it's like you know when you're on

576
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: a plane, it's like the four seat thing where it's

577
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: like the four seats, yeah, and they like they gamble, yeah,

578
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,239
Speaker 3: gamblers say whatever. I would sit like this is my

579
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: chair and this was dream chair right next to mine.

580
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: But it was like, you know, space, and then he

581
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: was on the other side, and Dream, to me, was

582
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: the most calming individual, very to himself, but yet very

583
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: aware of what's going on outside, knowing that Charles and

584
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 3: Scotty and all of them are gambling, or knowing that

585
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: this person is doing this, and knowing. But he stayed

586
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: in his own world. And if you wanted to come

587
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: in this world, he teach you. So I asked Dream, like, Yo,

588
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: what do you read all you want to know? Come on?

589
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: I got you, young fellow, Come on, and he would

590
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: teach me a little bit. It is. But I was younger,

591
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: I might dream. I can't be that discipline right now.

592
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: I like girls too much. Man, I'm you tripping man.

593
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like that religion ain't good

594
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: for me right now now. I can't do that. You

595
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: got it, chair, But he used to like I just

596
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: went to Houston not too long ago, and we traded books.

597
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: I give him books. He gave me some books to read,

598
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. But Dream was always my guy. Man,

599
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: he was you know again. The message was when I

600
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: went to the rockets was this is how you present

601
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: yourself as a man. Dream, This is how you train

602
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: as a pro Scottie and this is what you should

603
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: not do. Chuck.

604
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: Tell me about Chuck. I hear it.

605
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, listen, I love them all, you know

606
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I used to carry this little brown,

607
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: beat up bag and he had money in the bag,

608
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: like it's like a Duffel, not even a Chuck money.

609
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 3: And they would let me hang with them, right, And

610
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: it was a privilege, right. I kept my mouth shut

611
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: you chill out, And not that it was like bad stuff,

612
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: but it's just like when your rookies don't talk.

613
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Just just be a fly on the wall.

614
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Chill out. You don't even enter. I don't care if

615
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: they ask you a question, keep it short, shut up

616
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, right, Whereas a lot of kids

617
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: now they want to talk more, act like they're part

618
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: of it, you know what I mean. But uh, Chuck,

619
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: I love Chuck man. If it wasn't for Chuck, you know, Scottie,

620
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: you know, dream like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be where

621
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm at one. But Chuck was just he was a

622
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: people's person, always like that. He would sit at a

623
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: bar and talk to everybody and you know, just be

624
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: friendly and things like that. And you know, he was

625
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: about principal too. You can't just say anything because he

626
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: might toss you over the bar, bushing your heat. Like

627
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: Charles was that type of guy, right, but it was

628
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: a lot of the older I get. You put yourself

629
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: in situations to react right or not, and he would

630
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: put hisself in those situations where dream more conservative chilling

631
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: don't want no problems, so he stayed away from even

632
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: anything that would try to give him a problem, you

633
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So I learned from all three

634
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: of them and that short period of time. But Chuck

635
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: is a very loving, like just good dude.

636
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: Man.

637
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: He's such a good dude, and you know, I just

638
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: love watching him now to this day. It's just funny

639
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: to watch, you know what I'm saying. Pep, No no tipping, pipping.

640
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: He Scottie man. First of all, if it was for

641
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 3: Scotty Pippen, no one would know. Katino Mobley, I promised

642
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: to God, promised to God. He from the very beginning

643
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: was like, you gotta play him now, Matt, it's now, y'all.

644
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Notice it's six contracts ahead of me. It's guaranteed contracts

645
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: ahead of me. My rookie year never played point guard

646
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: before put him in the game. Let him play. Now

647
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: that Rudy Tom j down beach, but also too is god.

648
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: That's that's Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson like big guards. So

649
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: if you can bring the ball up, all I want

650
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 3: you to do is bring the ball up. That's all

651
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: I want you to do. Don't get RiPP bring the

652
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: ball up, make it three, stay out the way. That's

653
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: your job your first year. And if Scotty liked small guards,

654
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 3: I probably would have never been known. But he liked

655
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: bigger guards. Right, So see, you had lined up for me,

656
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: and all I did do was just take advantage of it.

657
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: So I did that. But Scotty was practice at ten.

658
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: Scotty's in there like seven lifting. I'm in there with him,

659
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: just learning how to be a pro. What I she before?

660
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: She afterwards? Right, getting shots up after the practice, like

661
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: he taught me how to do those because sometimes dream

662
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: was on like a fast Charles may not even come

663
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 3: to practice, you know what I'm saying. And it bumped

664
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: heads with Scotti because he don't come from that. So

665
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: he was looking at Charles like, yo, dog, what are

666
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: you doing? Like we're total opposite. It's kind of like

667
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: Kobe and Shaq at the time. Right, It's like, you

668
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 3: can be the most dominant if you take care of

669
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: you and be more disciplined. You know. I don't know

670
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: Shaq and Kobe's actual interaction when it came to that,

671
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: but it's kind of that similar kind of thing.

672
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Can you feel the beef between them two.

673
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when it came to games that we could

674
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: win with just them, right, forget all us young guys,

675
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: all young guys, just be just be out there. We'll

676
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: win the game. But I need you and your energy

677
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 3: to help me do this, you know what I mean.

678
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 3: So that's what Chicago and yeah, man, he's just professional

679
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 3: like this in the gym, lifting, shooting, dissecting games like

680
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: just the angles on a court defensively teach you and

681
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: you be sitting like wow, that's crazy, right, Like how

682
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: he did those things and he encouraged you to make mistakes.

683
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: Just keep doing it, keep don't worry about it. Shoot

684
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 3: the next one. Like those type of things.

685
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: Summer workout, summer training, you know, MJ. Scotti, Charles and

686
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: can you have a lot of great people around you, Tim?

687
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: What were those summer sessions like.

688
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: The best in the world. Houston, Texas in ninety nine

689
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: two thousand and two thousand and one. You couldn't. There's

690
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: no nothing x kg. It was nothing better than that is.

691
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: That old boys runs Lucas Lucas. That's what that was.

692
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, us about nothing, yep, yeah yeah. So yeah.

693
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: So what he would do is so Avery Johnson started

694
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: this one the five on five and it would be

695
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: Antonio mcdice, Tim Duncan, kg Me, Sam Gasell, Nick van Nexell,

696
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: Steve Francis. I mean, you name it. The top of

697
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: the top. People were playing in this gym and it

698
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: was only one court, one court to nine, so you

699
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 3: better have your a game, like we're not playing these games.

700
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: So not only were we playing physical and it was competitive,

701
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 3: but then we will work out afterwards, right, so teach

702
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: you how to be a pro early. And then John

703
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: Lucas would do He would have like five on this side,

704
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: five on the side and five in the middle. So

705
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: you score here, now you take the ball, now you

706
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: go over. Then the next five come on. He would

707
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: just rotate you like that, right, So he and then

708
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: he was he was amazing. I swear man, God loved

709
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: me so much and still to this day of course,

710
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: that he put me in that position early in life.

711
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 3: And the more I think about it, to have you

712
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: got John Lucas who's recovering at it, you have Scottie Pippen,

713
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: you have you have all walks of life at your

714
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: becking call so you can become your best version of yourself.

715
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like the game misses now, Yes,

716
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: is that that that guidance, that leadership, that that just

717
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: the og there to kind.

718
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: Of really loll down how it should be.

719
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 1: All that's how we came into the game. All day

720
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: after your rookie year, they trade for Steve. What's what's

721
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: your guys connection like off the rip? Obviously you guys

722
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: grew tremendous chemistry on the court, But what was that

723
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: first interaction?

724
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 3: Like you know it started actually at the runs Avery

725
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: Johnson runs it. So I'm gonna back it up a

726
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 3: little bit. Mike, Michael Dickerson and I were of the

727
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 3: back court. Fire Oh, fire.

728
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: Man, go look up. Michael Dickerson went to Arizona.

729
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: Listen, he was this This ball was so strong. He

730
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: was warming up the two twenty.

731
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 2: Five like a football player.

732
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: Bro nineteen ninety eight two twenty five warm ups. You

733
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: can forget about it. We used to slot box all

734
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: the time. That's my dude. So his father was tought

735
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: them boxing the whole thing. So we had that in common.

736
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: But when I tell you first of all, Mike, Chess

737
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: come way out here. Chess, come way out here. He

738
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: would warm up to two twenty five man. His pull

739
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: up game, he would his wonderable pull up game was

740
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: un it was unbelievable. Mike was amazing. We in the

741
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: summertime and we're in Maui after our rookie year. We

742
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: in Maui, Me, Mike GP, Jason Kidd, Doug who else,

743
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: Sean Kemp put it on. It was kind of like

744
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: he got ball Challenge or something like that, right, so

745
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: what do you know? What? You know what the Skills

746
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: Challenge is now? Doug Detland trimp started that in Maui

747
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 3: and he had sponsors and it did so well. I

748
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 3: won that event by just let y'all know. So in Maui,

749
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: the all the dribbling and shooting the whole thing. So

750
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: I won four out of the five and wins that

751
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: run the whole I won the whole thing. So then

752
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: they had the models there. The remember Tire Banks, the

753
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 3: supermodel at the time, and all these different that lifted

754
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: that bro. Debt lifted that bro that was debtlan Trimp,

755
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: and then the NBA took it and put it inside

756
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: the Skills Challenge up. So me and Mike are there

757
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: and we're rookies, right, we just having fun. We're in

758
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: Maui at the time, standing at the Grand Wall, shout

759
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: out the Grand Wall abs like top hotel in the world.

760
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: At the time. I get a phone call. I'm eating breakfast.

761
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm with Tyson Wheeler because me and Tyson went out

762
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: there and it was Tyson was like, no, Tyson, get

763
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: the call. Tyson like, yo, Mike, Mike Dixon just got traded.

764
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: And I'm like what He's like yeah, And I went

765
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: over to Mike and Mike was like her ghost face. Bro.

766
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: That's the first time I saw like this is a business.

767
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: They traded, Mike got Steve, and I mean, I was sad.

768
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: But Mike was very reserved too, So he wasn't like

769
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: a he was conservative. He wasn't like a hang with

770
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: you all the time guy, but he was like my

771
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: he was my dude. But Steve came along in Maryland,

772
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: Philly East Coast. We just hit it off right away

773
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: bro right away, and then Avery put Steven out on

774
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: the team together, and we just worked our chemistry from

775
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: the very start. And his mom had passed when he

776
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: was twelve, so then my mom was there, and then

777
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: my family, and then his dad and his sister and

778
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 3: his grandmom, so we all joined. Yeah, it was all

779
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: family and his brothers. You know what I'm saying.

780
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: Obviously instanct chemistry off the court. When did that chemistry

781
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: click on the court.

782
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: Because I knew how to play with other great players,

783
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: it wasn't difficult for me, right playing with Rashie Wallace,

784
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 3: Ivan Williams, Kobe, Eddie Jones erin McKee Again. I remember

785
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: I grew up on fear. So mine is just take

786
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: the scraps. Whatever they don't do, do crash the board.

787
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: Did they shoot the ball, that's a rebound and to

788
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: put back you get an open shot, make use of

789
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: it like that's my That was my mentality, and I

790
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: grew into more confident. But I just it was I

791
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: was just be more of a compliment, right, don't try

792
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: to compete, just be more of a compliment. Whatever he

793
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: don't do, when did you see him tired? Go at him?

794
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: Make him let him rest and they go back that

795
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: that was my my mindset.

796
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: Steve was different.

797
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, the explosiveness of him coming out of Maryland

798
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: and the same time as bad. I was a bead

799
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: guy and obviously him and Steve was was neck.

800
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

801
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: But before up to that point, we really hadn't seen

802
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: point guards like that. Now, you you've seen since, you've

803
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: seen the Russell Westbrooks and John Morants and Derrick Roses.

804
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: But Steve was one of them, first ones.

805
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: First ones, bro listen. He was so incredible. You ever

806
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: you played with somebody and then you learned something from

807
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: them in the game, like that was Steve for me,

808
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 3: Like crashing the boards just more effort than certain things

809
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: Steve would like. It was games where Steve would get

810
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: seventeen rebounds and Matt when we played. Now think about

811
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: this seven foot is all day long as they get paid.

812
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: For real power forwards.

813
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve was literally getting fifteen seventeen rebounds some games

814
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 3: on people and I was sitting there like this, dude,

815
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,959
Speaker 3: it's relentless. So when they talk about like Derreck Rose

816
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: and they talk about like you know, John Moran and

817
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: Russell and I love them. I love all of them,

818
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: but Steve was different too. Now that boy was see

819
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 3: him and BD those type of guards. You never seen

820
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: that before before those two, you never seen that before.

821
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: There wasn't no type of point cards doing it up

822
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 3: before Steve Francis and Baron Davis. It wasn't no guards

823
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: doing that.

824
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: Scary.

825
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: They came in the same year, right at the same time,

826
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: pick and pick right.

827
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: Yep, the whole thing. It's the crazy thing. It's not

828
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: even ay bonics. It's crazy.

829
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: It's not even Steve just saked some shit about Bead

830
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: the other day on someone else's show, and I don't

831
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: know if b D responded yet, but it was funny.

832
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: You have people laughing like they really.

833
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: You don't even understand what he's saying.

834
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what.

835
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: What did you just say? But I'm sleepy, Do hit

836
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: me tomorrow. I don't feel like this mind game. It's

837
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: just crazy.

838
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: Yeao, y'all franchise told the story about ruining the summer

839
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: vacation oh two because of y'all.

840
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

841
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? So all right, so I didn't know about them.

842
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: You know, I'm still playing hard, you know what I'm saying.

843
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: I'm still whatever. I don't know in the back office

844
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: were trying to get y'all mean.

845
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: You don't know. I don't know. I don't know none

846
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: of that.

847
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know none of that. So boom, these

848
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: start kind of explaining to us. You know, we get

849
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 3: this kid, this that and whatever, and I'm like, Chinese kid,

850
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: how big is he? Seven six?

851
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: Really?

852
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: Is he good? At the coach? He said yeah. So

853
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: he starts showing us films, this, that and whatever. So

854
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: we had plans to like summertime, we out, we were

855
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 3: ready to go have fun. No, you cancel all that.

856
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 3: Y'all mean coming. I said, come on, coach, come on,

857
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: I play too hard for this. I gotta go rest.

858
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 3: Y'all mean coming, cancel all your plans. I'm like, god,

859
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: damn it. So y'all show up. So y'all to me

860
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: is like akima lachuwan, like very still, stoic, steady, right,

861
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: nothing really wrapped. If it does rattle, you don't know it.

862
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: So one time, not one time, but through a course

863
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: of a period of time, just getting to know y'all,

864
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 3: he's not really dominating like dunking the ball and things

865
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,959
Speaker 3: like that, right, And I'm looking at him like, dog,

866
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: you too big? Like I'm from I'm from Lord, Philadelphia.

867
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: So I'm like, yo, you need to be you need

868
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: to like break somebody neck. So I'm cussing out, cussing out.

869
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: It's little guards blocking a shot. It's like stuff like that,

870
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is crazy though, I can't deal

871
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: with this, But I loved him because he was just

872
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: a good dude. Were playing Atlanta Bro and Theo Ratler

873
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 3: was I think he was on a THEO man. He

874
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: blocked the shot maybe twice after that, y'all mean put

875
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: him in the basket. I don't know how many times

876
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: I can't just really get it down. Ye Dunk had

877
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: a technical file on y'all, a talking file on y'all,

878
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: and his teammates love it. He was, so maybe he's

879
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: mad at me. I don't know, he's probably mad at me,

880
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 3: because you know how I get, I get a little crazy.

881
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: I don't mean to. I just I'm passionate, you know,

882
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: But he maybe he's mad at me. But we came

883
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: back and beat them, and y'all mean showed me a

884
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: different version of himself, and from then on, y'all was

885
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 3: just like like dominate every and what people don't understand

886
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: about y'all. He can pass the ball like Joker. He

887
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: could have done that. It's just our offense didn't. If

888
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: he say he have Rick Adelman for a fact, he

889
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: would have seen more of y'all. Me like that Chris Weber,

890
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: that Brad Miller passing. He had all of it.

891
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: I remember, I want to say, I remember watching his

892
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: first matchup against Shack and he held his own right game.

893
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 3: He blocked shacked twice, shot twice.

894
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was.

895
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: Sitting there looking like, yup, that's him. Yeah, we can

896
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 3: go far with this dude. Like he he turned it

897
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: up a notch.

898
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: Tell us about that team? I mean, what what? What?

899
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: What?

900
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: What? What? Tell me about that team? So that team

901
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: to me, you guys starting five.

902
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: It was me, y'all, Steve, Jim Jackson, and calval Cato.

903
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: That was our starting five. Right. So we were actually

904
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: at that time we were third in the history of

905
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 3: NBA defense efficiency. Right. We were stopping everybody. But the

906
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: only thing is is that coach will stop us on

907
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: the offense, right, instead of us letting us play on offense.

908
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: He played kind of like that pat Riley back in

909
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: the day possession ball. So with seventy something possessions. That's it.

910
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna make this ugly where if you have talented

911
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: individuals on the other side, now you're making us think, right,

912
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: but the offense is not about thinking when it comes like,

913
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: it has to be that more fluid, you know, and

914
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: especially when you have people that can score easy. So

915
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: we were thinking more just a lot of that. But

916
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: so that team to me, we played the Lakers nine

917
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: times that year. Damn five to four, Lakers nine times

918
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 3: that year, and Lakers went on to win. I mean

919
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: to lose in the championship against Detroit, but I love

920
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: that's my favorite team. When it came to comfort, feeling

921
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: comfortable defensively right, and didn't having enough firepower offensively, if

922
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: Jeff because that was Jeff's first Jeff ben Gunny's first year,

923
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: so he was a little more strict because me and Steve,

924
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 3: he was like, yo, you're like maniacs. You guys are crazy.

925
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: You guys do anything right. And later on in life

926
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: he understood that he should have had more patience when

927
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: it came to that, But at that time, Steve and

928
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: I were out of control. We were we were bro

929
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: we were out of control, like we were.

930
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 2: Idiots talking about what was it? Five shake?

931
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: One shake, one shake, two shake, Yeah, one shape, two shakes.

932
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: We put you on an island. So whoever it is,

933
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: whoever's cooking, whoever you know. The thing what Rudy would

934
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: do is if you if Matt, if you score, I

935
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: don't care if if you me and Steve, if you score,

936
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 3: we are giving it back to you. Let him do

937
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: him again. We got you do him again? Kill him?

938
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 3: You tired my turn? That's what we would do. So

939
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: we would call one shake to shake, and we'll be in.

940
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: This.

941
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 3: How Steve would some of Steve it wasn't as serious

942
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: because he'll shake somebody. He'll come miss the shot, come back,

943
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: we up to or down one. He'd be like, yo,

944
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: see I killed him. I'm like, dog, would you concentrate

945
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: on winning the game? What's the matter with you? Are

946
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: you crazy?

947
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: With that?

948
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 3: Wiggle? Was crazy?

949
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: And he put Troy Hut in the trick bag all

950
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: the time.

951
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: Dog. He came over to the bench afterwards, He's like, Yo,

952
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: that was crazy, wasn't it. I got him on the

953
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 3: first one, he bit the second one.

954
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: How you do that?

955
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: But he's sitting on the bench telling me this. I like,

956
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: in the middle of the game. Man, I swear so coach,

957
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: you come over like yo, all right, end of the game.

958
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: He like ya, who won it? Steve was like, I

959
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: don't even feel like good cat you want it this time?

960
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: Like that's that was. That was our team. That's how

961
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: it was. Mouchie, you you want it.

962
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: I don't forget about.

963
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: Muchie Nars is crazy. Muci Nars was crazy. Bro our team.

964
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: But our team was insane. It was insane and I

965
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: was the only one listen for me. Dog, I wasn't

966
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: as crazy, but I was a part of the craziness mix.

967
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 3: It was just crazy Moocie Dog. He would have half

968
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: his hair braided and then it was a fro on

969
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: this half. He would have glitter when we come from

970
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: different cities, all on his face. Like Mooch was crazy.

971
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: Our team was just insane. It didn't it didn't matter.

972
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: It didn't. Yeah, he couldn't sleep for because he couldn't sleep.

973
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: That was move.

974
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: That was move. But we just some crazy. Listen. Our

975
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: team was so crazy at that time. You meet a

976
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: girl in the city, you can bring it on the plane.

977
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: No hose barred, no listen.

978
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: Bro no, no, we ain't nobody have wives yeah, because.

979
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: You because you can never old dude, you could never

980
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: bring work on the plane.

981
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: Listen, brought the work on the plane. I needed to

982
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 3: want to work on the plane. Bro that I was sitting,

983
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 3: I'm just staring at her, like you even know what

984
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: you're doing? What are you getting yourself into? This is crazy.

985
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: I've never heard work coming on the team playing crazy

986
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: bro work in the family rooms.

987
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: It was I think we messed it up, That's what

988
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: it probably was. They stopped it all. They stopped it all.

989
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: They stopped. And you've seen the older women looking at

990
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 3: you that I'm telling you right now, Mama. Yeah, y'all boring.

991
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Over there, that's crazy.

992
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: I G Lately you've been talking to your IG fans

993
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: deeply about.

994
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: Women and life.

995
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I've always liked about you too,

996
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: just the you're a deep thinker and you've really been

997
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: on that. Right now, talk to us a little bit

998
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: about what you've been on lately, just that spirit, that

999
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: energy and yeah.

1000
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so I go to my calling right being

1001
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: single lectually for the next from now five years. But

1002
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 3: I go to my calling right there is I don't

1003
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 3: I'm not a prisoner to my emotions. Right, And I

1004
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: think that's satisfying to me. So when I'm speaking to individuals,

1005
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 3: I'm speaking I was there once, right, So I most

1006
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: qualified the person I used to be to coach. Right.

1007
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: So when I'm watching certain people go through so things,

1008
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: all I'm doing is trying to And again, this is

1009
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: no hatred towards women as, no hatred towards moms, no

1010
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 3: hatred towards whatever it is. It's just that I'm giving

1011
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: you my experience. And I think if I can help

1012
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: men really focus on their emotions and their actions, it

1013
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: helps you better in life. So when I'm speaking, I

1014
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 3: want everybody, male and female to be their best version

1015
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 3: of itself. Right, And we get in situations in life

1016
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 3: like for me, I can't blame my kid's mother for

1017
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: the things that happen in life because I chose her.

1018
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: I could have walked away and never had children. Right,

1019
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: whether it's my oldest or the youngest kids mom, it's

1020
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: not their fault, right, it's my situation that I didn't

1021
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: have boundaries in or I didn't do this, or I

1022
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: didn't do that. So when you choose these individuals, where

1023
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: were you at mentally? Right? So now we have to

1024
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: stake more accountability. You turn the ball over and a

1025
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 3: guy ain't catch the ball, he missed layups right? Whose

1026
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: fall is not his for not catching it, it's yours

1027
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: for throwing it? Right? So I look at life like that,

1028
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: so now and I have to be more accountable and

1029
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: more understanding that. Okay, I chose that, so now I

1030
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 3: have to live with that. How do I limit those mistakes? Okay,

1031
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: now I gotta stop thinking. Then I gotta pray about

1032
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 3: this one. Okay, don't do that because this can happen. Yeah,

1033
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: it may not happen, but this the percentage of this happened.

1034
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: If you drive drunk a whole bunch of times, yeah

1035
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: you might not get but then guess what, sooner or

1036
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: later it's gonna catch up to me.

1037
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 2: Do you limit the mistakes on your side though? And

1038
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: your faults?

1039
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: Obviously being understanding that you put yourself in a situation.

1040
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: But we're still constantly evolving, and.

1041
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: So how do you manage that?

1042
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: I think for just it's just for me, right, I

1043
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: think when you have if you have a why, how

1044
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: does it matter? Right?

1045
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: So?

1046
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: My why is my kids? Right? And I've been through

1047
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: the fight, whether it's my oldest at time where you know,

1048
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: I'm bumping hands with his mom when he was younger

1049
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: to her and I love her to death now right,

1050
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 3: and then my youngest right bumping hands with it and

1051
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: spending all this money and I get custody the kids

1052
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: and blah blah. It's like, all right, they showed you,

1053
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: just like Scottie Pippen and Charles Barkley and the chem

1054
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: Olajawan and Rudy Tom Johnavic and all these people showed

1055
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 3: you and said I love you. The universe said, I

1056
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: love you. This is what I'm giving you. Right, the

1057
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: universe still says, I love you. I'm going to give

1058
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: you difficult situations so you can learn from It's not

1059
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: just always good. So I think that's with me, is

1060
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: that it's my my Why is my kids?

1061
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: Back to basketball quick? The Clippers. You were on one

1062
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: of the early teams that kind of broke through in

1063
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: l A. What was that team?

1064
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: Like?

1065
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 3: Funny as hell?

1066
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: Though, this is what.

1067
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 3: You're six five six, yes, yes, Sam Cassell, sham Boy Elton,

1068
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 3: brand Corey mcgetty, Chris Chrish. Chris was the smartest person

1069
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: off the court and probably the slowest on the court.

1070
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 3: Like I love Chris. He had all the game but

1071
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: couldn't pass out the double team to struggle. I don't understand.

1072
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: I never understood that. But Chris is super smart. That

1073
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 3: team was a really good team. We had a Sean Livingston,

1074
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: my guy. Shout out to Sean. I love him so much.

1075
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: Like he was. He was special, especially if he have

1076
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: his injuries.

1077
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 2: Like sure before his injury.

1078
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 3: No, I gave him the ball, I stripped the ball,

1079
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: threw it ahead to him, He's on the break, tears

1080
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: his knee up. So I don't know if it was

1081
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 3: the energy what. I don't know what the hell happened,

1082
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: but that was just it was crazy that that happened.

1083
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: What was he like prior to his injury, because he

1084
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 2: was young, fresh out of high.

1085
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 3: School, Sean was he was super mature. He was like

1086
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: older than his age. Always listen right, stayed chill like.

1087
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: He wasn't like very like a lot of young guy

1088
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: especially back then being all American and not just a

1089
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 3: high schooled American, but like top point guard in the country,

1090
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: and it's like so much stuff going on and living

1091
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 3: in LA and he wasn't that. He was very chilled

1092
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 3: and you know, very stoic, very you know, like confident

1093
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: with himself. Right. Oh yes, Oh so that was Seawan.

1094
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 3: That was Shawn and always picking your brain, asking you

1095
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: certain stuff like that was showing, so you know that

1096
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 3: was that was to this day, it's my guy. I

1097
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 3: haven't spoken to him in a while, but that's that's

1098
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: my guy. But we we had a team. You know,

1099
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 3: Rashid Wallace hated Mike Dunlevy, right, call him Mike dumb Levy, right,

1100
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: he hated him, hated him. A couple of guys did.

1101
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 3: And I didn't hate Mike, right, Mike was my guy,

1102
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 3: but Mike overthought the game and the team that we had.

1103
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: We could have went farther if he didn't get in

1104
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 3: a way with himself. Sometimes coaches get in their own way.

1105
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: People do in general, but especially when you were a coach,

1106
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: like I think personally, just to say this one and

1107
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 3: I could be so wrong. The way Duke played when

1108
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 3: they had the lead, and then the way they played

1109
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: when Cooper went out, it's totally different the way Houston

1110
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: played when they had the league and then in the

1111
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: second half the way they played. Right, It's like you

1112
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: focus more on defense opposed to like really score and

1113
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 3: it's like you sometimes you overthink it and getting your

1114
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 3: own way. Detroit Lions coach, you getting your own way,

1115
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: and Mike got in his own way with our team,

1116
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: and the next year guys got injured. I think Elton

1117
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: towards something happened. Yeah, something happened and we missed. That's when,

1118
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: y'all we believe.

1119
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: So you guys had it was in your court. Like

1120
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: if you guys won, we were out yep, and you

1121
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: guys happened to lose.

1122
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: It should have been a ta yep.

1123
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: So it was five games left. I popped my half

1124
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: against New York Elton's out, pop my calf. When you

1125
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: have to win one game, we won none of them.

1126
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: And then you guys get it.

1127
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: In the last game and we beat the Yeah pre Dallas, Right,

1128
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: you guys lost to who'd you guys lose to? It

1129
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: was the team you guys are supposed to beat too.

1130
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: We couldn't believe we heard you guys lost.

1131
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: I don't even know, but I was out.

1132
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was past forward a little bit health issues.

1133
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. I mean, you had to

1134
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: step away from the game. Twenty point a game score,

1135
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: clutch defense, you did it all, and you know you

1136
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: didn't get to go out on your term, so to speak.

1137
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, Listen, I appreciate it. Listen to

1138
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: We have a brotherhood, right that they can't erase, right

1139
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: that I always have. I love this fraternity we have.

1140
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: But it was a misdiagnosis, right, and I didn't know that,

1141
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: so I came into the league. It was called hypertrophy

1142
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 3: cardio myopathy, which is HCM. The academic is HCM, and

1143
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: at that time, early on ninety eight ninety nine, it's

1144
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: athlete's heart right mixed with the thickness of the heart.

1145
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: So this is your heart. The walls there thicker, so

1146
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: the blood can't flow through, and if it doesn't flow

1147
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: through to the brain cuts off and then you can

1148
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: die automatically. Well, that wasn't my issue mine, just athletes

1149
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: heart right mixed with hypertension. And I didn't find it

1150
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: out until two thousand and ten. Right, But at that time,

1151
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm signing contracts every single year because I had the

1152
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: number one cardiologist in the world. His name was Anthony Pacifico.

1153
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: He passed away on a private jet back in like

1154
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 3: four So after that it was problems for me. No, Well,

1155
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 3: not with the Clippers, but it was a problem for

1156
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 3: me if I had to go anywhere else because he

1157
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 3: had just greenlit. Okay, the Clippers is fine. Five clippers

1158
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 3: is fine. And it shocked me because I never thought

1159
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: of it being an issue, and I had I was

1160
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: a symptomatic that means do you have no symptoms? Right.

1161
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't like I was passing out, I had to

1162
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: take medicine. It was none of that. So I was

1163
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: heartbroken for a little bit because I thought I had

1164
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: a lot more in the tank. And actually my very

1165
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 3: last game I ever played was against OKAC. I had

1166
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: twenty seven and I was just getting in the groove

1167
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: and it was me and BD on teams together. The

1168
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: first time I was on team with BD, and you know,

1169
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: I was in revenge I was like kind of like

1170
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: a revenge tour of like you know that last year.

1171
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: At this point thirty one oh man.

1172
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty one, yeah, thirty one, thirty two uncost thirty two.

1173
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: But I was in that revenge tour of like I

1174
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: got I got a point guard with me that going

1175
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: to run the floor and give me that ball because

1176
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 3: Bed loved to pass it. And after four games that

1177
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: was the fourth game just with the Knicks. Right, No, no, no,

1178
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: I was Clippers still Clippers. Yeah, I was the Clippers.

1179
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: So I got traded to the Knicks and then they

1180
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: shelfed me. The Knicks shelf me so with a Nick

1181
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: shelf mean it put me in a you know again manifestation. Right,

1182
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 3: I didn't want to leave La, So I'm like, you

1183
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: know what, my mom was just retired, like there's no

1184
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: reason they be you know, I was thinking, I was

1185
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: thinking it. So when thinking that, now you gotta be

1186
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 3: careful what you wish for because now this situation can

1187
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 3: do that to you. So that situation occurred, and I

1188
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: just start going to you know, I had to go

1189
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: to Mayo, and then I had to go to Minnesota,

1190
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: and I had to go all these places to get

1191
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 3: like these different health I don't know, tests or whatever,

1192
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 3: and then come to find out I'm here at U

1193
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: C l A. And then I'm at Cedars. And then

1194
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: my doctor at Cedar says, you know what, go to

1195
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 3: the eye doctor and let him check your eyes. So

1196
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: then I go to the eye doctors, Oh, you have hypertension.

1197
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 3: But he only found it out because the guy at

1198
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 3: Cedars saw my dad's history and they said let's check

1199
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: if it's that, because seeing hypertrophic car their miopathy. What

1200
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: it does is it's the thickening of the walls in

1201
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: your heart. And like I said before, the circulation doesn't

1202
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: go up if you have that, it stays forever. If

1203
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: you don't have it, and it's maybe ah CM. I

1204
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: mean it may be hypertension mixed with like athletes's heart.

1205
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 3: The walls would become thinner because your muscles of hearts

1206
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 3: and muscle, and it expands right if you work out more.

1207
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 3: But if you don't have it, it shrinks back down

1208
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: to normal, which minds did. So there's a certain amount

1209
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: of genetic genes that carry if you have ACM. I

1210
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: had none of them, so I had to go at

1211
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 3: U C l A. I had to go there just

1212
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 3: so with my kids so I can understand that my

1213
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: kids they don't pass it on to them. So that's

1214
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: how I had to find it out. But it took

1215
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: a year and a half, almost two years to find

1216
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: all that out. It was. It was a tough thing

1217
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 3: for me because now I'm watching guys play and knowing

1218
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 3: I can play. But yeah, in the back of my

1219
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: head they're saying, if you play you're gonna die And

1220
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, wait what Yeah, so it was it was

1221
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 3: tough for me.

1222
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: What was that transition like for you?

1223
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: It was hard, man, because I as much as I

1224
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: wanted to be a businessman, I wasn't ready to actually

1225
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 3: jump right into it. It's kind of like, yeah, you

1226
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 3: want to be a dad, but then all of a sudden,

1227
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 3: the baby's hea is like, I don't even know what

1228
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: this really means. Now, this is crazy, right, Like, I

1229
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 3: gotta take care of this, right, I gotta take care

1230
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: of me. I gotta be the best version of myself.

1231
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: So he could you don't know that You're just like,

1232
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: every single day you're trying to figure it out. And

1233
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 3: that's just a parrot in general, right, So that was

1234
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 3: like being a new parrot to something and that you

1235
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: really have to focus.

1236
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 2: On quick hitters first need to come to mind. Let

1237
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: me know. Top five lefties of all.

1238
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 3: Time James Harden, Chris Mullen, Mano Genobili, Nick van exel O.

1239
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: Damn, that was impressive.

1240
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: That was impressive, And I mean David Robinson of course.

1241
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: Geez hey, we just saw a highlight table Dave Roy

1242
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: put in our group chat.

1243
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: That motherfucker was cold. I mean I remember seeing him.

1244
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: God, he was insane.

1245
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: David Robinson was so good, bro, Oh he.

1246
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 3: Was insane though he was insane watching him.

1247
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: MJ. Kobe Bron Rank.

1248
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, old Mike though you know I love Kobe so much.

1249
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: You can't tell me nothing. I'm sorry. Growing up, Mike

1250
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: was my goal, right, Mike was the guy. But you

1251
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: ever watched Weird Science And I know this is a

1252
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 3: quick hitter, but you ever watched Weird Science and you're like,

1253
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 3: you gotta build someone. You build Lebron. You don't build

1254
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: Kobe or Mike. You build Lebron. And that's why I

1255
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: think Lebron is there's Lebron, there's Kobe in this mic.

1256
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: Really, to me, I've never heard that order before.

1257
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that interesting one album you can

1258
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: listen to on repeat.

1259
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: Tanklan, thirty six Chambers, Dead or Alive, Muhammad Ali, Sidney Potier,

1260
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy, Dick Gregory, and then I would say

1261
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra, solid.

1262
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: It is.

1263
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: It's special, bro. I mean, you don't really understand a

1264
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 3: lot of what he went through for like America, for people,

1265
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: and that's why they silenced them. But just his intelligence

1266
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 3: and then he comes from that background of political background.

1267
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: So what he saw explaining those things is the perspective

1268
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 3: of itself. To me is like, Okay, I get it.

1269
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 3: Why you did this right because he could have went

1270
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: the other route. He could have Yeah, it's easier to

1271
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: do the other thing right. It's like the bushes right

1272
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 3: where it's like you're Republican, you gotta stay like this

1273
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: you got today. He He's like, Nah, I'm cool. Nah,

1274
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use gold as a reserve. I want to

1275
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 3: go to just certain things. You just want to listen

1276
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: to him, you know what I'm saying.

1277
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: One guest you would like to see on our show.

1278
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: That's how YA had everybody.

1279
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 2: I've been talking to your man help me. You still

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Speaker 2: talk to Steve?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, helping guess.

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Speaker 2: I tell him, brother, we'll fly you out, put you up,

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Speaker 2: come fuck with us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Steve would be great. You just never know

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Speaker 3: what Steve gonna say. Steve, then you got a sense

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Speaker 3: of some of that ship. You'd be talking in alien

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Speaker 3: codes and ship. Uh yeah, but no, I love so.

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Speaker 3: So there's different people that I listened to on a

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Speaker 3: regular basis, and I think, did you do Mack move?

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Speaker 2: We just did Craig Hi just too not too long ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, both of them. But yeah, you know I don't

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Speaker 3: know Gino. No Gino from Yukon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the greatest coaches ever. Yeah you're talking about Geno.

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Speaker 1: Davis was like, we don't want to interview that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Gino coaches. I think he's special. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: way he The reason why I say that is because

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Speaker 3: he's been dealing with females his whole life and being

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Speaker 3: able to get the best out of.

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Speaker 1: Them and hold them accountable about the way he had

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Speaker 1: them women playing man.

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Speaker 3: Like But you think about it like this though, relationship wise, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: different holds women accountable like he's able to do that

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Speaker 3: and say, I don't care about your kid, your tears,

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Speaker 3: do what I told you to do, stop being selfish

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Speaker 3: like those. I would love to pick his brain. I

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Speaker 3: want to hear how.

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Speaker 2: Do you do that some of those principles in life?

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Speaker 3: Yes, God damn it, Esuise, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Cat Man. I appreciate your time. Congratulations on just an

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Speaker 1: amazing career. And that's the man you are overall, always

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Speaker 1: a stand up dude to me, man, and I wish

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Speaker 1: you nothing but the best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, no doubt yes, it's a wrap.

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Speaker 1: You can catch this on all the Smoke Productions YouTube

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Speaker 1: and the DraftKings Network.

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Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week.