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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 2: your weekly reminder that whenever bad things happen, people try

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Speaker 2: to do good things and or just illegal things, depending

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Speaker 2: on what's legal at the time. I am your host,

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Speaker 2: Margaret Kiljoy, and I have a guest today. You will

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Speaker 2: be shocked to know this. I have a guest today

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Speaker 2: and his name is Bursts.

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Speaker 3: How are you. I'm doing pretty good? Yeah, how about you, Margaret?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. I wrote twice as much this week as

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Speaker 2: I already do in a normal week. Everything's fine. I

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Speaker 2: can turn on the Voice of Radio whenever I want.

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Speaker 2: But you, I often have guests who are podcast hosts,

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Speaker 2: and this week is no different because you are the

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Speaker 2: host of the Final Straw Radio, which is a podcast

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Speaker 2: and yet you would guess by the name is also

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Speaker 2: a radio show. Is that an accurate statement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an absolutely accurate statement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Final Straw Radio is a podcast and radio

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Speaker 2: show based out of Asheville, North Carolina. How would you

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Speaker 2: pitch that show?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So it's an anarchist interview show, long form interviews

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Speaker 3: sort of like NPR, but spicier, and we try to

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Speaker 3: get on people that are involved in current struggles around

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Speaker 3: fighting against misogyny or against racism or fascism, people that

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Speaker 3: do mutual aid work, incarcerated folks that are organizing behind bars.

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Speaker 3: And we try to also get international perspectives so that

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Speaker 3: accept all the world where we can.

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Speaker 2: I remember at one point explaining to you that I

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Speaker 2: really liked it because it was anarchist talk radio. And

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Speaker 2: I don't remember how you responded to me, saying.

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Speaker 3: That I probably giggled inside a little bit, but on

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Speaker 3: the outside had the same stony face that you're seeing

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, So I've wanted to have you on the show

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Speaker 2: for a while. Wait, I almost forgot to introduce everyone else.

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, Sophie. We have a producer named Sophie. Hi, Sophie,

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Speaker 2: how dare you?

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Speaker 1: It's almost like you almost forget every single episode we've done.

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Speaker 2: That's true, which is funny because Sophie always reminds me

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Speaker 2: to write it into the script and I never do. Nope,

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Speaker 2: and I always almost forget.

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Speaker 3: It's a charming and surprising bit when you remember, though.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Maybe all of this was written out ahead

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Speaker 2: of time. Maybe everyone including VERSU, is looking at a script.

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Speaker 2: Who knows? I mean I'm looking at script, but this

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Speaker 2: part wasn't in it. Our audio engineer is Eva hi

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Speaker 2: Eva Hiva hi Eva hi Sophie hi Our theme music

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Speaker 2: was written for us by unwoman Burst. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: have you on the show for a while. Well, because

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Speaker 2: you're on the radio. I thought that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk about the FM radio spectrum. Actually I'm a little

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Speaker 2: bit going to talk about the AM spectrum as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna talk about radio because I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about pirate radio. Hell yeah, you ever heard of

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Speaker 3: I have heard of pirate radio, and not that really

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Speaker 3: crappy early two thousands movie. I love pirate radio.

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Speaker 2: Wait, what's the early two thousands movie?

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Speaker 3: It's about the ship that was sailing in international waters

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Speaker 3: that that was broadcasting in like the late seventies. It

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Speaker 2: Did it start in nineteen sixty four? And is that

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Speaker 2: the main subject of what we're talking on? It might

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Speaker 2: had I might have gotten the decade run. Don't see

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Speaker 2: the movie. Just listen to this interview. Cool segment. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you about to talk about actual pirate radio, because

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Speaker 2: that is only commercial. Pirate radio is only a small

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've never participated in pirate radio consciously.

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Speaker 3: Unconsciously I did for about two years. College radio station

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Speaker 3: us a physic from the FCC because who knew that

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Speaker 2: This is one of those moments where I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: the state, but in this case, it's like, but did

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Speaker 3: To yeah, saying raft I think of it more of

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Speaker 3: poke the side of the inflatable raft that we're all

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Speaker 3: sitting in, see what happens. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's exciting that you are a bona fide

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Speaker 2: accidental pirate bona fide, because we're gonna talk about pirate radio.

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Speaker 2: And I had this whole thing where I started writing

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Speaker 2: the entire context of radio. You will be shocked to

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Speaker 2: so much of that work that I decided to spin

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Speaker 2: so sorry, we're going to talk about the surprisingly radical

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Speaker 2: two weeks. One is pirate radio and one is public radio,

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Speaker 2: and public radio has more radical origins.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't have thought of that. Can you give

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Speaker 2: Just well, we're gonna be talking about the origins of

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Speaker 2: pirate radio today, and pirate radio a lot of its origins,

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Speaker 2: at least in Europe, is commercial radio, and it's basically

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Speaker 2: capitalists looking to break state monopolies, as compared to public radio,

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Speaker 2: which was trying to break de facto capitalist monopolies in

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Speaker 2: the United States. I don't know, we'll get to more

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Speaker 2: of that, but context origins of radio in the nineteenth century,

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Speaker 2: it becomes magnetic, and and other people were like, hey,

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Speaker 2: my own head. And someone was like, whoa, that shit

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Speaker 2: By nineteen oh one, you've got radio, telegraphy, telegraphy, telegraphy, telegraphy, telegraphy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know all kinds of things. But it didn't

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Speaker 2: Like within a year of someone being like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: And the main thing that I'm going to end up

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Speaker 2: In the US, radio has largely been a commercial enterprise

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Speaker 2: licensed by the FCC, which is funny because we're allowed

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Speaker 2: to say fuck the FCC, but only just out of

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Speaker 2: it being a podcast. There's no other particular reason we

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Speaker 2: been licensed by the Federal Communications Commission, and it has

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Speaker 2: it was absolutely a state monopoly in the Eastern Bloc

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Speaker 2: it was a state monopoly on radio. Much of this

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Speaker 2: the UK famously. I don't know if you knew this first.

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Speaker 2: It's a monarchy.

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Speaker 3: I had heard that.

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Speaker 2: What would they do if they stopped being a monarchy?

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Speaker 3: The United Republic the United but like republic with a K?

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Speaker 2: Are I don't know how that'll work, but I have

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Speaker 2: faith in them. In nineteen twenty seven, the Royal government

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Speaker 2: Because England is a very serious country, the BBC was

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Speaker 2: This did not make them particularly popular, but the BBC.

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Speaker 2: That's all there was for radio, And then the sixties

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Speaker 2: And Sophie is looking at me like I made a

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Speaker 1: Reference I know of, Like, you know who that person is?

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Speaker 2: who is because she's basically modern Kate Bush.

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Speaker 2: I heard of her a little bit because all my

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Speaker 2: actually a good song. And then she appeared in Knight

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Speaker 2: Armor and I was like, all right, now I have

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Speaker 3: So she's like Tori Amos for the new generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay cool, and the BBC, not hip with that,

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Speaker 1: How dare they?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And so the British people were in need of rescue,

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Speaker 2: and who would come sailing in to save the people

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Speaker 2: of Britain bursts but pirates and what kind of pirates? Well,

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Speaker 2: an irishman, an irishman from Dublin is going to come

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Speaker 2: save the British people from their boring lives.

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Speaker 3: It seems like a fitting retribution for centuries of colonization.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this particular irishman who sailed in to save them,

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Speaker 2: who's actually not very cool, but his grandfather is cool

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Speaker 2: enough that his grandfather was on this show before. His

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Speaker 2: grandfather is an Irish martyr, so we'll talk about him

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Speaker 2: in a second. Who comes to save English people? But

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Speaker 2: Radio Caroline, and it's held up as the first big

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Speaker 2: important pirate radio station. It's the birth of European pop radio,

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Speaker 2: or at least the UK pop radio. And people rarely

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Speaker 2: talk about how shady and criminal the whole thing was.

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Speaker 1: Radio Caroline's like a really cool name.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping you were telling me that it was

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Speaker 1: a cool name. For human I know, but they suck.

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Speaker 4: They're shady, they're complicated like most people you know, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like not boring in a crime way, you know. Okay,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a documentary. It probably would have been better

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.

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Speaker 3: So maybe it might have been a documentary at that point.

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Speaker 2: Then again, we'll get to their name in a minute.

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Speaker 2: The history of Pirate Radio in England starts with an

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, he has like a quintessential Catholic guy name.

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Speaker 3: It's like Michael Michael Collins.

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Speaker 2: the And that is like fucking punk, Like we're almost

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna revisionist history my grandfather's name and pretend that

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Speaker 2: This guy the Lickterman.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, is my mom's dad, the Dorian.

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Speaker 3: The Dorian.

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Speaker 2: That's good. I don't hate that. I could be the

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Speaker 3: She is hell Yeah, when you pick your own name

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Speaker 2: While he was bleeding to death, he wrote a letter

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Speaker 2: of love, Dearie, to you and the boys, and to

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Speaker 3: Jeez, that's sad, I know, but pretty beautiful I know.

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Speaker 2: And the like constrained way he writes this letter is

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Speaker 3: Just cut that cut that.

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Speaker 2: I can send you over this thing I just read

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Speaker 3: Oh, I will never be allowed on that island again.

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Speaker 2: They already hate us Irish Americans want to talk about

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Speaker 3: For sure, and for good reason. But yeah, you're right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And so that is Ronan's grandfather, the Orahali.

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Speaker 2: He is one of the original rock and roll capitalists.

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Speaker 2: But he still does something interesting, so fuck it. And

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Speaker 2: do you know what else? Incorporates advertising with audio content?

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Speaker 3: The American Potato Council.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Also, US we incorporate advertising into our audio

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Speaker 2: content for example, and we're back.

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Speaker 3: That was innovative.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I'm always trying to find new ways

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Speaker 1: First, what's your favorite way to eat a potato? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Gosh, the hash brown it's a good call.

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Speaker 2: Call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean more surface area means more fried delight basically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not usually the answer people give. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: What do you get punch fries? But yeah, what's that

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Speaker 2: way where you like cut the potato over? That was me,

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Speaker 1: A hasslebacked potato? So you take the potato and on

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Speaker 1: if you eat those things, and then you bake it

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah that makes sense. Microwaving also a good way.

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Speaker 2: It's really good.

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Speaker 2: I've decided it's a thing they do in Portland. But

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Speaker 3: The hassleback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, were you with me? Did we eat hasslebad

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Speaker 2: Oh, I barely remember the food there. I remember going

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Speaker 1: It was really weird, but they had like almost like

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Speaker 1: so we can talk about. Everyone's gonna be waited with

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, that's why everyone has to make it through.

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Speaker 2: People kind of listen to this stuff, the jibber jabber

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Speaker 3: I know, load up like a potato. Also, is it

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Speaker 2: Well, we're already in trouble for your half second of accents, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll call it a brogue just to piss people off.

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Speaker 2: More go whatever, I shook hands with my great uncle

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Speaker 2: Rock and roll capitalist. He grows up to become one

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Speaker 2: of the most influential people in radio broadcasting. Radio Caroline

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Speaker 2: That is still a lot of people. I don't even

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Speaker 2: He was managing a guy named Georgie Fame and BBC

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Speaker 2: had no interest in playing this guy, and Sirnin was like,

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Speaker 2: fuck it, rich family, I know rich people. I'm buying

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Speaker 2: got in early, or maybe first, working with a bunch

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Speaker 3: It is kind of interesting though, Like when I think

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Speaker 2: It's so fascinating because it's a completely different model than

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Speaker 2: still good that they broke this monopoly, and people were

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Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's so completely not what I think of,

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Speaker 3: And I guess also just to throw it in and

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Speaker 3: like they would collect everyone who has a radio, and

437
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 3: then eventually everyone who has a TV has to pay

438
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 3: a licensing fee to the government because it's only going

439
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: to be their content that's played on it. And so suddenly, oh, yeah,

440
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: I guess they have to bust in with a bunch

441
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 3: of advertising to be able to fund this venture. But

442
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 3: you're also kind of using government infrastructure, as in the

443
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: radios that are in people's houses that are licensed to

444
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: play radio. Yeah, they're kind of pirrating it or squatting it.

445
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: That's true, and so they get together to get to

446
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: do this thing. Retrofitting the ship took a while. It

447
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 2: had to be done in secrecy because not only are

448
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: they planning to fuck over the government, they're planning to

449
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: fuck over like the other investors that they're working with

450
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: who are working on similar projects, because they're all like, oh,

451
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 2: we'll take this part of the country and you take

452
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: that part of the country, and they're like just kidding,

453
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: you know, they're rushing to do this in secrecy. They

454
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: told the locals at the port that the one hundred

455
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: and sixty five foot tall mast, which is the radio antenna,

456
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: was for helping them find deep sea sponges, and the

457
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: articles written with the like kind of a like those

458
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: dumb yokeles fell for it. But I don't know. Maybe

459
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: the dumb yocles fell for it, or maybe they just

460
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: were like, actually, we don't.

461
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 3: Care that much, or maybe they really like sponges.

462
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's completely possible. How the radio station got its name,

463
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: most sources, including Wikipedia, will be like it was because

464
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: one of the people saw a thing and it was

465
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: like a president's granddaughter named Caroline and was like, that's

466
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 2: cool name. I'm gonna name my radio station. That The

467
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 2: most likely actual source of the name is basically it's

468
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: like a way of being like dumb sluts radio, because

469
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: Queen Magazine is one of the investors, and Queen Magazine

470
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: described their target audience as quote a twenty something non

471
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: intellectual who has left school at sixteen and who was

472
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: a good time girl named Caroline.

473
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: Boy, what a deep cut for a stupid name. I know,

474
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: I mean the name is not bad, it's a good name,

475
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: but yeah, yeah, that's terrible.

476
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, there's like a little bit of a like,

477
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean, if this was made by women, that would

478
00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: rule you know. Yeah, No, it's just a like we

479
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: want to sell the like teen girls we think are

480
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: not intelligent in any way.

481
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: Maybe what I watched was in fact a documentary.

482
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 2: Then yeah, they were trying to be true to the

483
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: original spirit by filling it full of misogyny. They launched

484
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: on March twenty third, nineteen sixty four. Oh good, I

485
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 2: did get the year right when I said this at

486
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: the beginning, and they claimed to be head into Spain

487
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 2: and then they were like, just kidding, We're going around

488
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: to London, and this was betraying the other radio people.

489
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: Radio Atlanta was the other big one that they're going

490
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 2: to later merge with, and Radio Caroline wanted London and

491
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: didn't tell anyone they wanted London. They parked just outside

492
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 2: of International waters and they started broadcasting. It's also kind

493
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: of worth knowing this is AM broadcasting, and AM radio

494
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: goes further than FM radio, which I didn't know.

495
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 3: AM like bounces off the I honest, there, I think,

496
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 3: and it's usually like long lateral antennas, and then FM

497
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: is line of sight, right, but it can kind of

498
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: bend over hills.

499
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, totally, Sophie. Did you know where clear

500
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: channel gets its name from?

501
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: No, I pretend they don't exist.

502
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There was this company that used to

503
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: be called clear Channel. This isn't in the script. I

504
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: just found this and was like, oh, it's kind of neat.

505
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: A clear channel is like a word for AM radio,

506
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: where you're given like a huge broadcasting range with no interference.

507
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: It is a clear channel that you've been given. It

508
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: literally named themselves of this is a monopoly radio. That

509
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: is what they named themselves. Oh well, I love radio anyway.

510
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: They start broadcasting and not clear channel but radio Caroline,

511
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: and they had no idea whether they were going to

512
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: get away with this. They were like, are we about

513
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: to be raided and arrested? And the answer was like,

514
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: well that actually almost that came really close to happening,

515
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: and frankly, the Crown kind of sat around being like,

516
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 2: maybe we should raid and arrest these people. This is

517
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: clearly what we don't want them to do. And we

518
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 2: are the United Kingdom, we're kind of known for boats.

519
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: But people were really into the radio station. This is

520
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: the main secret to surviving as a pirate radio station

521
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: is you have to get people to like you quickly,

522
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: and so it was hard for the state to go

523
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: after them, and they decided not to jam the transmission either.

524
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: You can just kind of play white noise or other

525
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: things on the same frequency and like mess with someone

526
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: else's radio transmission. The Royal Navy did show up pretty

527
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: much right away and requested to board, and the Caroline

528
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: was like, no, we don't want you to, and the

529
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: Royal Navy was like, but we want to, and the

530
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: Caroline was like, not only do we not want you to?

531
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: The DJ is currently talking about what's happening on air

532
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: to everyone in London, and the Royal Navy was like,

533
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: all right, we'll see you later and they left it.

534
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, people were into it. People were like music

535
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: all day. It also kind of turned off at night,

536
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: but so did all radio at the time. It was

537
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: like wild. They started off I think six to six,

538
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: and then then later they went to like ten, and

539
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: later they went to like midnight, really pushing the envelope here.

540
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: You know, it's so weird to imagine old time stuff.

541
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, but people are hanging out at three

542
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: in the morning. I cannot be convinced that old like

543
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 2: people back in the day were like time to go

544
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: to bed when they're like a teenager in the nineteen fifties.

545
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would imagine that's exactly the time when

546
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: you would want to be able to listen to like

547
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: whatever rock albums just were released that you can't get

548
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: a hold of otherwise, or that your parents wouldn't want

549
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: you to listen to. Middle of the night's the perfect

550
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: time for.

551
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, that's what I would think, And so they

552
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: start pushing later and later in the night. I almost

553
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: feel like it had to be like an invention. They

554
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: were like we could just play all night. We're in

555
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: international waters. We're already breaking the law or circumventing the law.

556
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: And so by May first people started buying ads on

557
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: the station. By June they had two ships to cover

558
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: more areas because they bought out their competitors. The Radio

559
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Atlanta and Radio Caroline had found its audience. Within weeks,

560
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: more stations started flooding the air and forty five percent

561
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: of England was listening to pirate radio. And do you

562
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: know what they heard on that pirate radio bursts?

563
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: No, what do they hear?

564
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: They heard advertisements. I think that's why they would have

565
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: said it. I think you're right, Yeah, much like we are.

566
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: But we're in America. We have advertisements. It's somehow better

567
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: if it's an ad for biscuits. It's not what you think.

568
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Okay. So the potato we had at that very strange

569
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: rushed on was a potato tart. It was like a

570
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: loaded potato tart.

571
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: I blacked this out of my memory.

572
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: It's like a little dinner pastry type thing.

573
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: If it's like a potato and a savory pie crust

574
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: and you could get like toppings in it.

575
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I remember this now. I don't remember how

576
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: the potato was at all.

577
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: Potato was good.

578
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: Fancy restaurants are confusing. So we're back and continuing to

579
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: talk about potato radio. I can't figure how that would work.

580
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Do you think that they power it by like, can't

581
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: you get like light a light bulb with a potato

582
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: or something?

583
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you were gonna do a whatever that

584
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: thing is called mixing.

585
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: The words potato.

586
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, potato would probably be the way to go.

587
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: Okay, And so Radio Caroline brings rock music to the

588
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: masses and fundamentally changes UK culture and therefore world culture

589
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: because you.

590
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: Know, the Brits invaded the US.

591
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah after that, Yeah, exactly, be really fun to just

592
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: do kind of fictional cool people did cool stuff where

593
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like, tell the story about the British invasion,

594
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: but just make it a little bit more literal. So

595
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: most of the stories about Radio Caroline are feel good

596
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: stories about the plucky upstarts who did good entrepreneurial stuff

597
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: and change British culture forever. And it is true that

598
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: they were entrepreneurs who changed British culture forever. But the

599
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: crime man's stuff is going on and people don't like

600
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: it because it messes with their idea of like the

601
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: good rebel. But I think it's really interesting. It is

602
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: not boring, and it does not line up to my

603
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: set of ethics. But it's the past. It doesn't need to.

604
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: That's the thing I got to remember more often.

605
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 3: Things can be fun without being right.

606
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no influence on the past. That too.

607
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: As soon as Radio Caroline started broadcasting, other people were like,

608
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: fuck yeah, that rules, and they started doing the same thing.

609
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Many folks had been, in fact working on that idea

610
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: already themselves, like all the people that they fucked over.

611
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: Among the competitors to Radio Caroline was Radio City, which

612
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: was run by this wife and husband team for a while.

613
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Calvert and her husband, REDG. Calvert, and these two had

614
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: a similar background as Radio Caroline, and that they were

615
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: rock and roll music promoters. The pair of them had

616
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: spent the fifties going around to dance halls being like, yeah,

617
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: that big band shit, I understand why you like it,

618
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: but hear me out rock and roll, And so they

619
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 2: went all over their little island and were like, what

620
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: if rock and roll? They ended up running twenty eight

621
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: of these dance halls together, and they put on shows

622
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: for bands even I have heard of, like the Beatles

623
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: and the Rolling Stones and the Kinks. So of course

624
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 2: they got in on the radio craze and they had

625
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: a friend. Have you ever heard this guy? I hadn't,

626
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: But you ever heard this guy screaming Lord Such?

627
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: No, but that's an amazing name.

628
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: I know. He had a radio station at the time

629
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: called Radio Such. Screaming Lord Such is probably a character

630
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: for his own show sometime if I do like weird

631
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: people of early rock or something. I haven't deep dived

632
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: this guy yet. According to Wikipedia, he holds the record

633
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: for contesting the most parliamentary elections because in addition to

634
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: being a shock rocker and a DJ, he is one

635
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: of those WingNuts who ran for election every single time.

636
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 3: He wasn't actually in the House of Lords.

637
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Though, No, he has no connection to the peerage. He

638
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: just changed his name to Lord Such, which is such

639
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: a good move. It's a boss move yet, especially in

640
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: fucking Britain. Like. He was the leader of a political party,

641
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: an official political party that still exists today. You've probably

642
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: heard of it, the Official Monster Raving Looney Party.

643
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: I remember a Monty Python sketch with that one.

644
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Yet, wait, I don't know if you're telling the truth

645
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: or not, but they're probably.

646
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I know there's on one of the albums of

647
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 3: their recordings there's an election special, and I think that

648
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: that's actually the name of one of the things that

649
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: the run up that I thought was just made up

650
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: until now.

651
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: I don't know where the chicken in the egg is there. Yeah,

652
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: I could see either way. The Official Monster Raving Looney

653
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Party is a real political party that still exists and

654
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: exists to satirize British politics. And basically this is the

655
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: Vermin Supreme of England, only he's dead. He doesn't wear

656
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: a boot on his head, and he never promised anyone ponies.

657
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: I have a Verbon Supreme tie on my desk that

658
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: he gave me at the DNC last year.

659
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 2: That rules, I know.

660
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: I love that.

661
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: The time that I'm me at Vermin Supreme was at

662
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: the DNC also, and twenty years earlier.

663
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: That's his super Bowl, Yeah it is. I also ate

664
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: with him at a very fancy restaurant that was like

665
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: lovely but also like too fancy.

666
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: Does he take his hat off to eat? Is he cultured?

667
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm not releasing that information to the public.

668
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: That's fair maybe the hat is part of his head.

669
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

670
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: I think the only time that I've seen him in

671
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: person was at Rosetta's in Ashville.

672
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: Nice, very nice person. See that's the food I would

673
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: eat anytime for fancy meal. Unofficial sponsor the place I

674
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: used to work. So Lord Such and if you ever

675
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: need to google, this man such is spelled Sutch. Lord Such.

676
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: All this radio stuff is happening, And so he gets

677
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: himself over to an abandoned World War II military fort

678
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: that is in international waters just off the coast of

679
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: England called Shivering Sands Army Fort, and it is one

680
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: of the most like water world ass looking places you'll

681
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: ever see a photo of. He set up a radio

682
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: station called Radio Such. It was powered by car batteries.

683
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: The transmitter had been ripped out of an old submarine.

684
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: The antenna was a flagpole with a jolly roger on it.

685
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: I think I would have been friends with this man

686
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: or terrified of him, or both or both. Radio Such

687
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: mostly reached fishermen on their boats. It was kind of

688
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: a just a pupliss city stunt. He got bored quick

689
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: enough and handed the whole thing over to his friend,

690
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: who was also his unpaid manager, Reg Calvert and his

691
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: wife Dorothy Calvert. These are the folks I was talking

692
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: about earlier who owned dance halls and such. The city radio, Yeah,

693
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: Radio City, Radio City, and the pair of them professionalized

694
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: the operation. They set up real transmitters, They connected all

695
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: of the different little platforms together and connected things. I

696
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: read a lot of manuals about pirate radio for this

697
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: episode and looked at diagrams and things, and I even

698
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: know how to solder, and I have no idea what

699
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: I was looking at. But they did a lot of

700
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: stuff to make radio go further. And the whole thing

701
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: was powered this time by generators that you could hear

702
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: on air over the mic because they're really loud. And

703
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: they turned Radio City into maybe the only profitable pirate

704
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: radio station in the water. My guess is this is

705
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: because their operating expenses were way lower because they were

706
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: not on a boat.

707
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but still nobody claimed that territory that they were on.

708
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: That's kind of crazy to think about.

709
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 2: Well, wait, was this in the documentary? What did you

710
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: know those I know being profitable? How to downside? Because

711
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: these early radio pirates pirates, it's in the fucking name,

712
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: like literally fucking high seas violence. Some worse still than

713
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: some of them being pirates, some of them were libertarians

714
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 2: in the American capitalist sense of that word. So Radio

715
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: Caroline this point is being run by a guy named

716
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: Smedley and he has a first name, but it doesn't matter,

717
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: because when your last name is Smedley and you're a

718
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: libertarian pirate, you're just Smedley in my book. And Radio

719
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: Caroline was not profitable despite being the biggest name in

720
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: the business, with the biggest reach. It's on two huge ships,

721
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: and so Smedley was like, hey, Radio City, let's go

722
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: into business together. And if you're thinking this is a

723
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: play to try and steal that area, you're absolutely right.

724
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: And he's like, it's a good idea. You can trust me.

725
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: My name is Smedley, and I apologized to anyone for

726
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: whom that is their legal name, but I don't know.

727
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: And so the Calverts chose to trust him. And Radio

728
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: Caroline had big, old transmitters shipped over from America from Texas.

729
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: Everything's bigger in Texas. And when they get there, Radio

730
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Caroline's like, now you've got to pay us for all

731
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 2: these transmitters and all the shipping costs, and Radio City

732
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: was like, never mind, we don't actually want him that much,

733
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: and we actually just teamed up with his other pirate

734
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: radio station instead. So Radio Caroline sent over a fucking

735
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: boarding party and took it by force and they shut

736
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: down the transmitter at Radio City. This thing that comes

737
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: up behind the bastards all the time, where you know

738
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: it's going to go bad when people get out under

739
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: the water. That's how I feel with this whole thing,

740
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: because it started off I was like, oh it rules,

741
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 2: you get around the rules by going out in the water.

742
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, there's gonna be this kind

743
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: of shit. And so Rench Calvert goes over to Smedley's house,

744
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: and I do not know what was in his mind,

745
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: because he never leaves that house again. He shows up

746
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: the next day and it's like either like all right,

747
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: but let's talk this over, or he shows up armed

748
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: and is like call off your goons. All I know

749
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: is that Smedley shot and kills reg Calvert and gets

750
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: away with it in self defense.

751
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: Who would prosecute, Like, wasn't this this isn't international water.

752
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: So he goes over to his house on land, Oh

753
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: on land, Yeah, and they all have like offices on

754
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: land as well. You know, I don't know if Radio

755
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: City did.

756
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: But see, that's what their downfall is. They should just

757
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: keep everything on the water.

758
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they have their own passports, hear me out,

759
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: cool zone platform, Cool zone platform, Sophie, what do you

760
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: think it's a former oil rig? Yeah?

761
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: Right, or a series of them that have been chained together.

762
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. What do you think?

763
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: This is kind of like something out of Robert Evans's novel?

764
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: I guess, so maybe it should.

765
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: Well, we'll just let Robert be part of it. It'll

766
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: be fine, nothing will go wrong, and we'll make passports.

767
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: So Dorothy carries on Radio City without her husband for

768
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: as long as as she can. But in nineteen sixty seven,

769
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: which is I think the same year as the shooting,

770
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: they can't remember, in response in part to this killing,

771
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: the government passes the Marine Broadcasting Offenses Act. Only they

772
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 2: misspelled defenses they used to see instead of an ass

773
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: And this was passed in order to stop pirate radio stations.

774
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: This you can't actually outlaw the station, but you can

775
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: outlaw supplying any of these stations, and you can outlaw

776
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: advertising with offshore radio. Dorothy tried to fight this in

777
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: court and she lost. The same year the BBC launched

778
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: Radio one. I think this is when they launched their

779
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: numbered radios, because why would it be number one if

780
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: they had just launched it then? And they start playing

781
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: pop and rock music because that's what people wanted, and

782
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: because the BBC got in on the act. This strips

783
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: away a lot of the support and listenership from the

784
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 2: pirate stations. Most stations shut down pretty much right away.

785
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: Radio Caroline, however, they're built different. They re registered as

786
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: a Dutch company and kept going being resupplied from the

787
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: Netherlands for about another year. But did I mention that

788
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: they were libertarians? They did not pay the various fees

789
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: and things to the various people who they owed money to,

790
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 2: and so the Dutch government shut them down. So ends

791
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: the first saga of pirate radio in the UK. The

792
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: people who brought rock and roll to the e oldie England.

793
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: Y is these weird pirates? And I really like such?

794
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: And also the Calverts seem probably fine. Did the station

795
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: change its method or anything like? Did they go all

796
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: shock jockey when the BBC one stepped in and they

797
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: suddenly had competition?

798
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: Oh?

799
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: I don't know that would be I could really easily

800
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: imagine them like they might have been like so British

801
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: that even when they started by doing it as a crime,

802
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: they probably still had to be like into this next

803
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: song that we will introduce is I don't know the

804
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: name of any rock songs from that era, great Balls

805
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: of Fire, but I don't know. Well, Screaming Lord Hutch

806
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: did get his name from Screaming Jay Hawkins. That was

807
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: a like, hell, yeah, that seems cool. I want to

808
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: do that. I bet Radio such had some of his ass. Yeah.

809
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Probably when we come back on Wednesday, we're going to

810
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: talk about a second wave of pirate radio with a

811
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: distinctly more radical bent that cropped up shortly thereafter. How

812
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: you feeling on the first wave with wave being a

813
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: three parts the ocean. I like the symbolism, yeah, and

814
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: the airwaves.

815
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I'm feeling good. I'm excited to learn a

816
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: little more. The name Radio Alice pops into my head

817
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: with what you sort of like led with, But I

818
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 3: don't know the details of that.

819
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: But details of radio Alis a little bit cool on Wednesday.

820
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: Exciting.

821
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting that the two most influential pirate

822
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: radio stations in Europe that I've tracked down personally. One's

823
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: Carolide and one's Alice, and they could not be more opposite,

824
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: to the point where I think the Radio Alice people

825
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: probably would have like fist fought Radio Carolide, you know,

826
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 2: or boarded them maybe, yeah, or totaled them totally. Well, guy,

827
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: I think you want to plug here at the end.

828
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: Sure, happy to be here for the chat. Like you

829
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: said at the beginning. I do a radio show called

830
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 3: The Final Straw. That's also a podcast. It's been going

831
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: for fifteen years. You can find it at TFSR dot

832
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: media if you want to check out some of the

833
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 3: past episodes, and yeah, we're on a bunch of the

834
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: social media. Cool just look up Final Straw.

835
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: What's what's a recent episode? Y'all? Did that you like?

836
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: I'm not sure when this will air, but the last

837
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 3: week before this recording, I spoke with Thomas Rothaus, who

838
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: wrote a book called Another War as Possible about militant

839
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: anarchist participation in the anti globalization era. And so it's

840
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: kind of we joke about it, or we didn't make

841
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: this up, but it's been joked to be the sequel

842
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: to evasion, but with good politics. But it's lots of

843
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 3: like Ruckus like not the interview, but the book itself

844
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: has lots of really cool stories of getting away with

845
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: stuff during riots in the early two thousands in Europe.

846
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: It sounds like something that our listeners would like.

847
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: It's fun. And I talked to someone from Remora House,

848
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: a mutual aid project that does a lot of outreach

849
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: to houseless folks in DC, this week about what the

850
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: military and federal occupation in DC has been like for

851
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: the folks that they work with, as well as for

852
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: immigrant like folks who are being harassed by ice.

853
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: Fuck y'all, what do I have to plug? I don't know.

854
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: I have a substack. I write about things. I actually

855
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: wrote about radio this week, mostly so that I could

856
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: talk about poetry. But I swear that's the worst pitch

857
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: I've ever done for my own newsletter. It's actually entertaining.

858
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: Oh, I was just gonna ask what the connection that

859
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: you made between radio and poetry was.

860
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: I'll talk about a bit more week. But the anarchist poet,

861
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: the godfather of the beats, who didn't like the beats

862
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: very much, Kennis Rexroth was a big part of starting

863
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: pacifica Radio, which is I think the start of public

864
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: radio and listeners supported radio.

865
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: If anyone in the audience is around KPFA, we air

866
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: on Wednesdays from eleven to twelve every week.

867
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: Oh shit, in the Bay as well. Okay, wait, where

868
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: can people hear your show on the radio?

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Speaker 3: Columbus, Ohio, Knoxville, Tennessee, Asheville, North Carolina, the Wider Bay area,

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Speaker 3: the North Bay, Eugene, Oregon. Sometimes around Garberville. We're on

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Speaker 3: a dozen stations, but if you visit the website, we've

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Speaker 3: got like a list of the community radio stations that airs.

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Speaker 3: They're mostly like little LPFM stations that are that have

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Speaker 3: like a leftispent. That's cool, Sorry to cut off Sophie's edition.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Robert Evans prop and myself for doing a

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Speaker 1: fundraising live show in Portland, Oregon. All of our performer

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Speaker 1: proceeds we'll go towards to Portland bail fund. That is

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Speaker 1: going to be on September twenty fifth at the Alberta

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Speaker 1: Rose Theater. You can buy tickets now.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, that's exciting.

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Speaker 2: All right. Well, I'll talk to you a Wednesday when

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Speaker 2: we talk about more radio, and this time it'll be

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Speaker 2: by people who will be mad that there's ads when

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Speaker 2: we talk about it, instead of proud of us.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye, Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a

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Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool

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