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Speaker 1: Welcome inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Batista, Ian Rapaport

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Speaker 1: and Mike Garafollo. I am Tom Telaicero. We are sitting

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Speaker 1: here on the Monday after the Sunday in week eleven.

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Speaker 1: There were a ton of awesome games on Sunday. There

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Speaker 1: were some games that were not quite as awesome, or

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Speaker 1: at least not as competitive. I might have been at

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Speaker 1: one of those. We'll talk about all the action from

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Speaker 1: the weekend, as we usually do on the Monday podcast,

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Speaker 1: but let's start out with a team that did not

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Speaker 1: play on Sunday, because Ian, you had the story this morning.

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Speaker 1: After weeks, months, years of speculation about when the Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones era might come to an end, we finally appear

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Speaker 1: to have gotten there in New York.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say that it was you know,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot building up to a lot of

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Speaker 2: conversations and a lot of sort of back and forth,

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Speaker 2: will they won't they some reports saying they wouldn't bench

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones, some people assuming they would. You know, I

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Speaker 2: would say to be able to clear that from the

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Speaker 2: drafts was certainly a very nice moment this morning, and

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Speaker 2: a significant moment for the Giants now It's weird because

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Speaker 2: it's everything you don't want, Like if you are going

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Speaker 2: to sign a quarterback to a huge contract, the same

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Speaker 2: thing Rams went through with Jared Goff, who now is awesome,

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't when he played there. If you're gonna

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Speaker 2: sign your own guide to a huge contract, you want

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Speaker 2: to know for absolute sure that he is going to

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Speaker 2: be your franchise quarterback for the Giants.

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Speaker 3: He is no longer the future.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he had his moments, took him to the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: definitely has a good nickname, is a good guy, but

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Speaker 2: was not the future of the Giants, and so they

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Speaker 2: benched him today. I said in my initial tweet it

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Speaker 2: was a football decision, and I will stand by the

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Speaker 2: fact that it is a football decision. There are financial

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Speaker 2: components which we can discuss and should because it's important,

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Speaker 2: But this is a football decision because the Giants have

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Speaker 2: not won a lot of games.

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Speaker 3: They're two and eight. They are bad.

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Speaker 2: The actual like around the team, everything except the quarterback

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Speaker 2: one has been really good. The quarterback is not, and

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Speaker 2: they want to get a spark and they want to

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Speaker 2: win games. So they're going to Tommy DeVito. And that

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Speaker 2: is the football part of it, the money part of it.

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Speaker 2: They're saving themselves twenty three million dollars guaranteed for injury

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Speaker 2: next year in case Daniel.

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Speaker 3: Jones gets hurt.

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Speaker 2: That is important, But to me, that is not the

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Speaker 2: most important because they have decided that Daniel Jones does

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Speaker 1: And here, let's real quick here, Before Judy I get

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Speaker 1: to you, let's hear what Brian Davill had to say

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Speaker 1: today on this decision.

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Speaker 4: So we're making a quarterback switch here from Daniel and

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Speaker 4: we're going to go with Tommy. I spoke with all

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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks this morning before a morning meeting. Let them

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Speaker 4: know with the direction that we're going. Those are never

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Speaker 4: easy conversations. Got a lot of respect for for all

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Speaker 4: three of those guys, you know, after you know, evaluating

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Speaker 4: tape and being around Tommy last year where he created

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Speaker 4: reason why we're going with Tommy. Ah Drew will be

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Speaker 4: the backup, continue to work with him. He's been nothing

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Speaker 4: it's it's never an easy, every easy conversation to have

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Speaker 4: necessary move for us and look forward to working with

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Speaker 4: Obviously not playing the way any of us want to play,

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Speaker 4: and that's on all of us. But felt like this

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Speaker 4: and try to spark things, change things up, and you know,

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Speaker 4: we went and did it with with Tommy. Again. We

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Speaker 4: spent a lot of time here over the last week

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Speaker 1: Judy, you've covered the Giants for a long time. You've

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Speaker 1: seen very good years there, You've seen some lean years,

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Speaker 1: and you've seen just about six years of Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: When you hear above the decision and also what Brian

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Speaker 5: Well, to me, the most the mediest part of this

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Speaker 5: reasons for that. You kept he kept using the word spark,

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Speaker 6: The team has just been.

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Speaker 5: I mean not even flat, I mean just nothing. As

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Speaker 5: Ian you know, pointed out like other facets of the

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Speaker 6: Give you a reason to pay attention to.

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Speaker 5: Them while they figure out how they're going to go

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Speaker 5: forward into the future. Clearly Daniel Jones will not be

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Speaker 5: Tommy DeVito and then.

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Speaker 6: Drew Locke is the backup.

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Speaker 5: So Daniel Jones is now the number three quarterback, which means,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is where the sort of financial part.

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Speaker 6: Of it comes into the equation is if he's.

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Speaker 5: Not going to be starting, they are certainly not going

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Speaker 5: the risk of an injury if Tommy DeVito gets hers

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Speaker 6: So that's the end of Daniel Jones Number one.

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Speaker 5: I am fascinated by the fact that like they gave

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Speaker 5: come to the Giants, and he's not going to play football.

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Speaker 5: They are going with Tommy DeVito, who Mike Garafalo is

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Speaker 6: We're gonna see a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot about hungriest news development for Mike Garritt

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Speaker 5: But you know, I do remember last year and I

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Speaker 6: Obviously lost, it's it's a mess.

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Speaker 5: Fans will be happy that it's Tommy DeVito and not

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Speaker 7: I saw a couple of things. One I saw a

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Speaker 7: pro days, for all the quarterbacks. They were hoping that

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Speaker 7: And when they didn't, it was like, okay, well he

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Speaker 7: good thing. That should be him digging in and saying,

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Speaker 7: I am going to show you that you never should

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Speaker 1: He didn't.

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Speaker 7: That's why they were happy a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 7: The Drew Lock situation is weird from the time they

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Speaker 3: That may have hurt him, uh, but no, they never

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that set him back right.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt, go back in

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Speaker 2: a cent, But like I think a lot of this,

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Speaker 2: He has seen Timmy Debido win games in the system.

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Speaker 2: He just hasn't seen Drew Lock. Now, obviously, if he

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Speaker 2: be different. Obviously he's not, but that Mike is kind

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Speaker 7: Yeah, which leads me to my next point, which is

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Speaker 7: they have to kind of walk the line between Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 7: into the finish. Judy check me on this, because you've

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Speaker 7: been around John Mayraw longer, but we've both have been

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Speaker 7: I would say that that's ninety five percent going.

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Speaker 7: There's still that fight, Like if it's a complete disaster

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Speaker 7: The next step is you go into next year and

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Speaker 7: see how it plays out. And finally I mentioned draft position.

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Speaker 3: Nobody knows anything.

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Speaker 1: Every year you will have some people to come to

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Speaker 1: a barnacle uh to the NFL. Uh. Here's a couple

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Speaker 1: other things too. So one on the the de Vito

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Speaker 1: just gotten a lot more reps locked with so much

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Speaker 1: which is, even though we shouldn't make decisions like what

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Speaker 1: environment surrounding Tommy DeVito and the excitement about it is

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Speaker 1: just completely different. If Drew Locke were to come out

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Speaker 5: It was, and I thought Sean McDermott had them at

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Speaker 6: Again in January, Like there was no like, WHOA, we

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Speaker 5: Because they've been down this road before and then they

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Speaker 5: we played really well, complete team win. I don't want

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Speaker 6: You've got to do this in the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: What does that do?

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Speaker 5: And to put the ball in the hands of not

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Speaker 5: I thought that said a lot about Shawn's mindset, and

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Speaker 6: Impressive win.

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Speaker 3: Over, if they're like, all right, coolbre hey, listen Mahome

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Speaker 6: It was caught on the microphone.

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Speaker 5: week out, and they're doing it, and.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I can't.

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Speaker 5: It's I know that. You know, obviously the Eagles are

440
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Speaker 5: right behin behind them, and the Vikings right behind them too.

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Speaker 5: For home field advantage, I think if we look at

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Speaker 5: the schedules, I think Alliance probably have the most manageable

443
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Speaker 5: schedule remaining of those three teams.

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Speaker 7: Sort of some tough ones.

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Speaker 5: Some tough ones, but they've already beat those teams. They've

446
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Speaker 5: already beat the Vikings, and they've already beat the.

447
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Speaker 7: Packers, Packers and Bills at home. They're at the forty

448
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Speaker 7: nine Ers and then they got the Vikings. So they've

449
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Speaker 7: got three of these tough games at home, which is

450
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Speaker 7: so it does lend itself well to that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if they have home field advantage, like I mean,

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Speaker 5: good luck to the rest of the NFC. Like that,

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Speaker 5: there's sort of what you were saying about, like when

455
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Speaker 5: you look at Chiefs, Bills, Raven Steelers, is like the

456
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Speaker 5: rest of the NFC has to look up out and

457
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Speaker 5: be like, how we're going to get through that.

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Speaker 1: So even in the even in the Division e in too,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it. The Vikings are sitting there.

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Speaker 1: The last few weeks though, I mean, the Vikings have

461
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Speaker 1: had to play those you know, one score type games.

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Speaker 1: The Packers have had a few bumps. They still look

463
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Speaker 1: really good. All three of those teams are really good.

464
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Speaker 1: But the Lions are blowing people out. Like I had research,

465
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Speaker 1: I gotta pull them up. I had research sending me

466
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Speaker 1: all these stats. I was again, I had a lot

467
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Speaker 1: of time to kill in the second half of that game,

468
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Speaker 1: so I was asking him, like, as the numbers kept rising, like,

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Speaker 1: can you guys send me some stats on the level

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Speaker 1: to which they're dominating. Oh, first of all, fifty two

471
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Speaker 1: to six was a score of gami. First fifty two

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Speaker 1: to six game in NFL history, only three teams have

473
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Speaker 1: ever had seven drives and seven touchdowns. The other two

474
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Speaker 1: were Tom Brady in two thousand and seven, one of

475
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Speaker 1: the greatest offenses of all time, and Josh Allen did

476
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Speaker 1: it in a wild card game a few years ago.

477
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Speaker 1: Second time the season, the Lions have hit fifty plus

478
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Speaker 1: points fifth time in franchise history. So two of their

479
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Speaker 1: five fifty plus games of all time were this year,

480
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Speaker 1: and they have four of the top ten highest scoring

481
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Speaker 1: performances in twenty twenty four. Like, these are macro historic

482
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Speaker 1: type steps. They set a franchise record for yards yesterday,

483
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Speaker 1: and they pulled him, They pulled the guys in the

484
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter who was handed hooker in the backups out there,

485
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Speaker 1: and they still went down and kicked a field goal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is rare. Ben Johnson's done

487
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Speaker 1: unbelievable job but also Brad Holmes stand Campbell. The way

488
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Speaker 1: they've built that thing. They've just got, you know, weapons

489
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Speaker 1: for days, and they're they're gonna be a tough out.

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Speaker 2: So I was at a one of Jude's lacrosse tournaments

491
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Speaker 2: on Saturday at like basically from like nine o'clock on

492
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Speaker 2: Long Island to like four o'clock right, which is really

493
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Speaker 2: fun sitting there in a little YETI chair, trying to

494
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Speaker 2: write my articles. Anyway, one of the dads comes up,

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Speaker 2: Ye chair, we have to sit down on the field.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to, like.

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Speaker 2: YETI has the best chairs. Oh my god, it's amazing. Anyway,

498
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Speaker 2: so one of the dads comes up to me, he's.

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Speaker 3: Like, hey, say that they really do make great chairs.

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Speaker 5: I am a guy he'll send you chairs and he.

501
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Speaker 4: Sent me too.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. They also have a back you can put

503
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Speaker 2: him on like a backpacks. She can carry on your back.

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Speaker 6: Anyway, I have a monk, not a sponsor anyway.

505
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Speaker 2: So anyway, so on the one of the dads comes

506
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Speaker 2: up to me and is like, hey, I'm along suffering

507
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Speaker 2: Lions fan. I'm just curious, like real quick, like why

508
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Speaker 2: do you think they've turned it around? Like they have

509
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, that is not a real quick and

510
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Speaker 2: I was literally standing there nothing else to do. I

511
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Speaker 2: like went into it and it really is like a

512
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Speaker 2: ten minute discussion of like Brad Holmes has drafted exactly

513
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Speaker 2: the type of players that Dan Campbell wants. They are tough,

514
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Speaker 2: they're physical, they work hard. They are not for everyone.

515
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Speaker 2: Not everybody would draft a running back at twelve and

516
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Speaker 2: a linebacker who most people had as a third rounder.

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Speaker 2: And they are literally the perfect football players for this team.

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Speaker 2: They have an offensive line that I mean Campbell sort

519
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Speaker 2: of joked about it, but he was like, when they

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Speaker 2: play like that, we can do whatever we want.

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Speaker 3: And it is really true. They can do whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The culture is great. We have empowered Jared Goff.

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Speaker 2: To play as he is talented enough to play but

525
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Speaker 2: certainly was not doing in Los Angeles. And the fact

526
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Speaker 2: that they are now getting like quote unquote criticized for

527
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Speaker 2: destroying teams in a blowout is the greatest problem of

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Speaker 2: all time. Like I don't love that sort of argument

529
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Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, stop like stop us right right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know you want to keep players at

531
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Speaker 2: harm's way, but also stop them. But it is incredible

532
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Speaker 2: that they are here, and it's like the worlds have

533
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Speaker 2: had to collide to create this behemoth. And I don't

534
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Speaker 2: know where the Lions are going. But this one thing

535
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Speaker 2: I told my new lacrosse friend now is like, God forbid,

536
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Speaker 2: they make.

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Speaker 3: God forbid they make it to the super Bowl. Obviously

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Speaker 3: we're good friends. Anyway, I never liked you very much.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, God forbid they make it to the super Bowl,

540
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Speaker 2: and their fans will eat it up like we haven't

541
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Speaker 2: seen so.

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Speaker 6: Much fun, so much fun.

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Speaker 7: Uh sorry, that was messed up.

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Speaker 3: That was my we go back to my weakness. Okay,

545
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Speaker 3: you know that.

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Speaker 7: Hey I met a guy today outside my kids school.

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Speaker 7: He's like, hey, I just i've seen you, you know,

548
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Speaker 7: a big fan of the Insiders, which how could you

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Speaker 7: not be?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 7: CJ that's his name.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: CJ?

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Speaker 7: My thought was on golf because you mentioned golf. I

555
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Speaker 7: was thinking about this earlier today because back to Daniel

556
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Speaker 7: Jones for just a second. Daniel Jones, you know, he's

557
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Speaker 7: got that look and like it looks like there's nothing

558
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Speaker 7: going on, there's no pulse there. And then the first

559
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Speaker 7: game he leads a comeback against the Buccaneers, since then, Like,

560
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Speaker 7: we haven't seen that at all. So when I'm when

561
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Speaker 7: you meet Eli Manning, you go same thing, like there's

562
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Speaker 7: just nothing there, there's no pulse, there's no and then

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Speaker 7: you see it on the field, right, And it's gotta

564
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Speaker 7: be so hard to see that. You got to look

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Speaker 7: for it on the field when they're evaluating them in college.

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Speaker 7: I guess, yes, Jared Golf is kind of like that.

567
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Speaker 7: And he's a killer and you don't realize it, Like

568
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Speaker 7: he is a stone cold killer. Spent plenty of time

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Speaker 7: interviewed him several times.

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Speaker 1: He's a great guy.

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Speaker 7: Life is good, He's made a ton of money.

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Speaker 3: His wife is gorgeous, Like don got to have a

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Speaker 3: good golf swing. Good golf swing.

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Speaker 7: Name is almost golf, which makes sense. Yeah, But it's

575
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Speaker 7: like a killer and he wants that super Bowl bad

576
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Speaker 7: and he wants it for that town.

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Speaker 3: He's like I.

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Speaker 7: Would not have figured him to be the perfect quarterback

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Speaker 7: for this team in this.

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Speaker 3: Town, but he is.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: So Jared Goff just continues to impress me. And I guess,

583
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Speaker 7: don't cross Jared Golf. He's got that killer inside him somewhere.

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Speaker 1: If you go back and I guess that the cutoff

585
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Speaker 1: would have been the start of November. So basically, though,

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Speaker 1: you go back to twenty twenty two, so two years ago.

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Speaker 1: At this time, the Dan Campbell Lions are four nineteen

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Speaker 1: and one. Dan Campbell one point had say, like you know,

589
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Speaker 1: said hey, I need more out of Jared and there

590
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Speaker 1: was talk of her they just gonna bench him, and

591
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Speaker 1: the entire narrative was the backup. I don't even remember this.

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Speaker 1: You got me on that he didn't play. Whatever it

593
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Speaker 1: was might have been David Blough at that point, but

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Speaker 1: bottom line, there was discussion, like real discussion about like oh,

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Speaker 1: I think it was after a game against Pittsburgh if

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Speaker 1: I remember right, and it was he was like I

597
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Speaker 1: need more, I need more from him. Think of the

598
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Speaker 1: level of losing. Think of how many coaches who are

599
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Speaker 1: way better than four nineteen and one midway through year two,

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Speaker 1: and how many places would pull the plug or the

601
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Speaker 1: fans would give up or they came to public pressure.

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell was a joke to a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: That's why I want to give credit to Sheila Ford

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Speaker 5: for hiring him.

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Speaker 1: She she Hi Ford.

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Speaker 2: It really does seem like she has sort of keyed

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Speaker 2: this yes, and everyone in the building they all said

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Speaker 2: the same thing, like, oh, she is awesome.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you know she just jesus.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean she she hired him, right, I mean

611
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Speaker 5: she at a time when I don't think people knew

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Speaker 5: what to make of that, right, and then give the

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Speaker 5: ankle biter thing.

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Speaker 8: And you know Tom hates the knee cat, Yes, the kneecat,

615
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Speaker 8: which was all like every time we talked about Dan

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Speaker 8: Campbell and NFL ever for a year and a half,

617
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Speaker 8: they'd play that clip and I was like, I remember

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Speaker 8: one time, it's being.

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Speaker 1: Like, why do we why are we still doing this?

620
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Speaker 1: Like there is more to Dan Campbell, but it's just

621
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Speaker 1: like nobody had anything to go on. I just think

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Speaker 1: that it's a really important reminder regardless of what you

623
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Speaker 1: as Mike sends the article Jared God needs a step

624
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Speaker 1: up more than he has, which is from October seventeen

625
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Speaker 1: twenty in the first year as the loss of the

626
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Bengals sor right, I had the right division. But it's

627
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Speaker 1: just it's a good reminder that regardless of what people think,

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Speaker 1: regardless of the jokes that are made on social media, like,

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Speaker 1: it's a good lesson to owners as well. If you

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Speaker 1: believe in people, it does take time. It not everything

631
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Speaker 1: is a quick overnight fix. And now you watch how

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00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: they have drafted to that mentality. They play to that mentality.

633
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Speaker 1: They got guys who are all pulling the same direction

634
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Speaker 1: and have built themselves in the mold of their head

635
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Speaker 1: coach and their city. It's really cool to see it

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Speaker 1: come together. And now let's see if anybody in the

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Speaker 1: NFC can keep these guys from being the ones that

638
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Speaker 1: are taking on the Chiefs or the Bills, or the

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Speaker 1: Ravens or the Steelers or whoever it is come the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. All right, that was Part one of the

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Speaker 1: Monday podcast and YouTube show. There's a part two as well,

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Speaker 1: so you should stick around for that. We're gonna be

643
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Speaker 1: talking about the Ravens Steelers game. We will talk about

644
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Speaker 1: the wildness of Chargers Bengals. We're getting to Anthony Richardson

645
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Speaker 1: back in the lineup. Bo Nix is sort a whole

646
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Speaker 1: lot more. So stick around or I guess appenically go

647
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Speaker 1: to the other one. Hopefully it prompts you to do that.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't, go find it for Mike and Judy,

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Speaker 1: I'm Tom.

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Speaker 6: We will see that