WEBVTT - Godzilla vs. Kong vs. Barbie 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how stuff 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:13.880 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.480 My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:21.319 today we're talking about monsters. We're talking about Godzilla also 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.000 known as uh Gohira, and we're talking about King Kong, 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.200 and we're maybe gonna well, you know, we are going 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.520 to talk a little bit about Barbie. She's a monster, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.239 and most important, we're talking about the science of all this. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.360 But before we we really dive into it, what is 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.760 your experience with with giant monsters? Well, you know, have 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:42.559 a three year old, yes, right, So Barney is the 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.279 first thing I think of. Oh I thought you were 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.599 going to say she was like a small monster. Oh 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.440 well yeah, she kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, And it 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.839 is kind of funny how actually I'm sure to her, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.000 I'm a big monster, and she actually loves for my 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.120 husband and I to chase her around and sort of 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.920 do the big monster arms. So for sure, there's there 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.440 are some themes going on there, but Barney is favored. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.440 Barney I think of as a monster. Um, I think 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.480 of the crack and of course one of my favorite monsters. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:14.640 Oh from my class at the time. Yes, yeah, um, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.800 Paul Bunyan. Was there a movie about Paula or just 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.480 in general this stor like super giant kind of a 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.679 human but not how come no one ever did? Uh? 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.319 I mean that would be that would have been great 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.600 to have like a purely American. I mean, I guess 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.360 King Kong is really our American giant monster, but even 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:34.600 he's an import Paul Bunyan. But Paul Bunyan in his 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.960 giant Ox attacking San Francisco, like that would be that 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.760 would be a great foot Yeah, I know. I mean, 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.160 I don't think that people think of Paul Bunyan is menacing, 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.760 but I do I think that there's a plot line here. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.440 What about you? I mean, I grew up as a 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.840 young boy, so I was very into the monster films, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.720 especially the one I've mentioned. I think it's like a 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.440 TBS or something. They had the grand Grandpa Monster hosted 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.240 a like a midday monster show, and they were aways 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.800 showing like Godzilla movies, and you know, of course they're 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.840 there are just tons of Gods older movies. So it's 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.760 Gods older versus this versus that versus like a whole 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.480 cadre of of various rubber suited villains. So you know, 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.160 I was heavy into those and I got then. I 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.280 I was an am big mystery signed theater, a few 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.040 thousand fan, and a lot of the movies that they 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.200 watched when involved giant rubber monster suits. And uh. One 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.280 of my favorites today, which which I won't I won't 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.520 get break into too much, but is a film called 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.560 Hanuman Versus Seven Ultraman, and it is a it's an 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.280 Ultraman film, but it's a it's a Thai Japanese co 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.480 production in which Hanuman, the monkey god out of Hindu 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.600 mythology but also very important in Thai culture. Hanuman teams 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.760 up with the Ultraman and an ultra woman. I'm not 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.480 really sure. I'm more up on the Hindu mythology than 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.720 Ultraman mythology, but they team up to just beat the 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.760 tar out of a bunch of hideous monsters that emerge 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.600 from like a rocket fact manufacturing plant or something. So 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:02.120 it's goofy and beauty full and psychedelic and from like, yeah, 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.600 sixties or seventies, and it's it's well worth hunting down 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.239 if you're you two are a monster fan. But I 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.000 guess one of the things that I'm really highlighting here 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.200 is like silliness, Like there's definitely a large amount of 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:17.800 silliness and fun like kids love Gammera, kids love Godzilla. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.200 But if you go all the way back to n Gohira, 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.320 you're you're really looking at a different animal. Especially if 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.760 you're you're not you're not dealing with the americanized version 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.520 that came out, like Raymond Burron and all the different translation. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.480 But the original Grim Go Heiro movie is a different 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.560 animal time, right, because I mean, this is a far 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.920 more complex creature, right. The American version is not so 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.440 much concerned about the radiation part, right, right, right, But 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:47.400 the Japanese version, this is a creature born of radiation 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:51.120 and exuding radiation, right, I mean, the whole sort of 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.960 part of the mythology of an atomic test and it 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.760 brings this monster into being. But yeah, this original one, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.840 like people were dying just from being near Godzilla and 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.040 right close to it, right, And there are far more 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.600 scenes of individuals. It's more of a disaster film than 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.040 a lot of the subsequent Godzilla films. Lots of people fling, 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.120 lots of people in camps, lots of people in hospitals 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.400 and lots of people dying from radiation poisoning. Culturally, it's 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.000 such an interesting film because you look at Japan's place 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.680 in the world at the time. You know, it's like 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.200 we're in the shadows of the Second World War, in 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.400 the shadows of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and other incidents. Go 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.919 Here references an incident involving an American thermonuclear device attested 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.479 near Bikini. Ititall in the Pacific code named Bravos, detonated 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.760 with about two point five times greater force than anticipated, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.600 and the fallout from the bomb it ended up enveloping 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.120 this tuna trawler named the Lucky Dragon number five, and 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.720 it's just just coated in like a blizzard or radioactive ash. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.880 And so the crew members in return to their home 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.960 port and they're black, and they've blistered skin, just a 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.400 cute radiation sickness, and and all the tuna is irradiated. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.560 And so, you know, I was reading some some interesting 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.640 commentary on this, which I'll link to on the blogs 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.240 so that people can explore it further. But there's a 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.839 lot of interesting commentary on how like this incident in particular, 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.400 especially on the heels of the Second World War. I mean, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.480 the Japanese culture is very concerned with hygiene and uh, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.719 and then you have this situation where you know, we're 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.680 just radioactively contaminated and not sure what is clean anymore. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.440 And then there's also commentary to make about in especially 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.480 in subsequent Godzilla films, you see Japan using all of 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.320 its technological prowess to fight off an opposing force, and 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.960 that it can be argued that postwar Japan felt rather 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.400 powerless to a certain degree in the global climate, you know, 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.400 because they've just come off this disastrous armed conflict, and 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.880 so their fantasy world, their fictional worlds kind of reflect 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.600 this longing to be able to deal with problems more directly. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.880 I mean not to limit the films to just that 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.720 it's not just a one plus one equals to situation, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.159 but but those themes are pretty strong in the in 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.960 the films. Well, I was gonna say, you see that 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.559 anxiety working itself out quite a bit in these films. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.720 Are twenty eight Godzilla films, and now is that counting 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.000 the the Geno movie. I believe that is, and I 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.279 know that that has been called an abomination, and not 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.520 in a good way. It's just the one where the 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:14.040 version of Godzilla is is that he's a lizard gets 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:19.120 messed with because of a nuclear meltdown and scatters it 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.800 and becomes a monster, which is kind of I mean, 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.000 I mean, I know that you know, Godzilla is uh 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.440 far fetched anyway, but I mean you couldn't make it 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.120 any more far fetched with that premise, right, But yeah, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.560 twenty eight films, and from what I understand to Godzilla, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.600 you know, at first is a very menacing figure, right 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:41.600 is the embodiment of the problems of nuclear energy, nuclear warfare, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.200 and then he comes to later on represents somewhat of 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.040 a hero or at least take on this part of 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.120 as someone who is helping the people. And in fact, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.960 they have different versions of god Godzilla versus this Godzilla 0:06:55.080 --> 0:07:02.320 versus that Godzilla versus the small monster ecological problem um. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.000 You see, especially in the famous Keen congressus Godzilla, which 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.000 is you know, interpromotional dream match there. This is really 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.080 on a slightly removed scale. This is the US versus 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.320 Japan again, and each country's cut has a slightly different 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.680 preference in who's the superior super monster. But then in 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.680 later films, Godzilla becomes not only a champion of Japan, 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.480 but a champion of Earth itself, defending Earth against various catastrophes. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.760 And and then Godzilla's can do the same like Gammra 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.720 as always protecting the planet, protecting children, which I think 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.360 is kind of beautiful. Again, it's kind of the idea 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.240 that these uh we create, especially in the original Godzilla 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.800 and Gohira, we create this avatar of all our all 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:44.120 the worst possibilities of humanity, this frightening thing, and then 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:48.240 we're able to transform it into something positive, into into 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:49.960 like a strength. I don't know. I guess you can 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.880 make the argument too that it's kind of casting the 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.880 warnings aside and forgetting what the native potent to begin with. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.400 But yeah, but again I think it's so this is 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.280 where you know, art movies paint things. Everything that sort 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.600 of allows us to work out these anxieties comes into play. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.040 And in fact, MPR had a story this morning that 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:11.040 was talking about Fukushima a year later, Um, you know, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.960 the the earthquake, the tsunami and um and then the 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.920 subsequent you know, mountdown of the three reactors, uh and 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.800 that you know, the real problem right now a year later, 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.400 isn't so much the radiation levels, which really aren't as 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.880 bad as the initially thought because much of them were 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.960 swept away by the winds out over the Pacific, but 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.560 more that it's it's a psychological problem because again you 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.400 have this long history with with you know, nuclear materials 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.400 Japan and this distrust and the year later, people are 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.760 still not quite sure if they feel, you know, like 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.640 they're on terra firma just you know, with their government, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.560 with their food supplies, and it's just it's kind of interesting. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:53.560 So they were saying that is not a culture that 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.320 really invests a lot into mental health. I mean they have, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.880 you know, obviously you can go and you at medical attention, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.000 but it's not so much geared towards mental health. So 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.240 there's not so much an outlet there. King Kong, on 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.640 the other hand, there's there's not I don't know, he's 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.080 not quite as deep. No, no, I mean this is 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.880 what the nineteen thirty three that King Kong comes on 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.360 the scene, and people have pointed to King Kong and 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.120 said that, you know, definitely King Kong embodies UM, so 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:24.040 that the naivete of American society and especially UM concerning 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:28.040 race relations at that time but yeah, King Kong, because 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.559 he's his foreign threat, this subhuman threat, and I think 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.000 you can sort of from an exotic place, exotic place. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.640 He wants to steal women, climb buildings, and yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.000 I guess if you look at King Kong from that standpoint, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.040 he's kind of awful, Like he's also kind of an 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.680 avatar of awfulness, just maybe in his an initial inception 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.120 when they want as conscious of it. Whereas Go here 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.520 is obviously the themes are a lot more prevalent and 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.839 on the surface, whereas King Kong and the awfulness is 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.200 kind of hidden. And yet in King Kong in the story, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.839 you're meant to feel empathy for this creature, so you're 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.880 you to fear him, but you also are too empathize 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.040 with him, right because here he is he's the last 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.960 survivors species. He's lived on School Island his entire life. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.199 He's a beautiful girl. Uh you know, he tries to 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.200 to I don't know, to make out with her or whatever, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.280 and then he is essentially enslaved, brought to New York, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.920 he made to perform on Broadway. I know, I always 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.440 forget about that portion of the story. And then and 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.880 then of course, the whole building thing and the airplane. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.440 it's it's a sad story. The remake of that was 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.760 a lot more in keeping with I guess the spirit 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.480 of the original is that the Jessica Lang one. Oh 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.200 there were no there were a couple of remixes, right, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.480 there's one that there was like an eighties version of it. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.040 and that one was I think that one was just 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.560 kind of weird. I don't know if anyone has any 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.160 real love for that film outside of maybe you know, 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.800 cheesy enthusiasm. But then Peter Jackson, Oh that's right, okay, yea, yeah, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.599 which my only problems with that one is a it 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.520 seemed I think that movie is like six hours long 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.760 or something like. It's awfully long for King Kong, and 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.480 I'll so I remember it just had some really look over. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.160 I mean, I love dark imagery as much as the 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.680 next person, but like, this is King Kong and there's 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.240 this scene where these like all these horrible giant insect 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.960 monsters are like meeting people and giant slugs are like 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.720 sucking people's faces, and I remember thinking that this is 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.680 a bit dark. Jackson, Um, well, it was filler to 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.640 your point. You can't really make a film that long 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.360 with the premise of King Kong, you know, but still 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.840 it was over like everything was like like they're like 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.080 King Kong, let's do this, except we're gonna it's gonna 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.640 be King Kong on steroids. In the original, he fights 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.440 one dinosaur. This time he's gonna fight two dinosaurs. You know, 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.160 that's right, all right, So let's let's let's throw some 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.920 science on these beasts. Yeah, first, let's take a quick break, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.040 and when we come back, we'll see stabbling about the 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.600 culture behind these monsters and so forth, and we will 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:50.360 start talking about the science behind gigantic animals and whether 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:57.360 it's even pot Alright, so we're back, and it's time 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:03.120 to get into the morphological limits of giant monsters. Yeah yeah, okay. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.680 So here's here's just something that's a basic Okay, all right, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.319 So if you're going to create something that's bigger than 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.040 the original, um, the weight as a function of their 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.679 volume is going to increase dramatically faster than does the 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.319 surface area, right this creature. This is important to remember 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.160 because this has a lot of important consequences. Um. So, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.240 basically is that if you're going to double something size 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.280 and keep its proportions the same. The weight doesn't double 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:34.840 or even quadruple. It actually increases by a factor of eight. Okay, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.080 so when we're talking about King Kong, we're talking about 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.199 a gorilla that is super giant, right, And when we're 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:46.240 talking about Godzilla, we're talking about dinosaur hybrid that is 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.360 runs on both gas and electric. That's right. He does 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.160 have some electric properties similar, which doesn't make any sense 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.560 with the flames in the radioactivity. I mean there's a 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.240 lot going on there anyway. Well, radioactive firestorms. I mean 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.920 that's part of the whole nuclear apocalypse scenario, you know, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.719 Like you see the ridges on his back start to 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.920 get electrified, and then the fire comes out of his mouth, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.800 and yet at the same time he's always exuding radiation. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.719 I'm just saying, Yeah, there's a lot of port for 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.840 one fork. Yeah, well, Gamra has it coming out both ends. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.760 So because you've seen Gamra, right, a big turtle, he 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.640 can retract his back to legs and then fire comes 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.719 out and he flies around. But I was going to 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.720 make like a little gas joke. There should be eight 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.760 year old boy in me. Yeah, I should have brought 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.200 in my Gamera toy too help us with this, but 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.800 I'm getting off track gadding about monsters. Another way to 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.520 look at this mass thing that I really like is 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.880 the spherical cow analogy. Alright, So the shape of an 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.200 animal can be a little complex, and it's a simpler 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.600 if you look at something like a cow, and look 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.280 at the cow and imagine it as just a sphere 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.800 like the mass just reduced to a sphere of calmus, okay, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.400 and then imagine increasing the size of that that mass, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.200 all right, And again the volume increases more rapidly than 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.280 the surface area. So if you double the ray idious 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.480 of the sphere, the surface area increases four times, and 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.439 the volume increases eight times. That again, like you said, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.439 you double something size, and if it keeps the same proportions, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.280 the weight doesn't double or even quadruple, it increases eightfold. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.280 So you have something like King Kong, right, who is 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.360 thirty feet high in the film, five times the size 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.120 of a real gorilla, and his proportions are more or 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.680 less the same. If you were to take an actual 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.160 gorilla and you were to blow it up like that 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.720 in a you know, honey, I blew up the kid's fashion, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.600 the creature would not be able to stand, its legs 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.000 would break. Basically, its own weights bones can't support it. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.840 We're talking about thirty ft high tons, right. Yeah. I 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.880 was reading an interesting country about the size of animals 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.880 and how the size of something is very much. I 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.960 mean it's it's not just a matter of oh, this 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:45.560 is a big one and this is a little one. Yes, 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.320 there are there's a certain amount to be said about 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.320 dwarf is m versus gigantism in organisms. But but takes 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.720 something like a whale, Like a whale is large, and 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.240 whale is massive, and its mass allows it, among other things, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.400 to keep warm and chilling waters. If you were to 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.880 reduce a blue whale to the size of a minnow, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.720 it would not be able to stay warm. Its size 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.080 is part of its function. Would actually have to consume 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.360 far more, right for energy. Right, Yeah, That's why you 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.560 have things like mice and other small animals that are 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.920 just so ravenous that have an endless hunger because they're 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.800 having to keep up their metabolism. Yep. Yeah. So when 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.440 you're looking at King Kong and you're talking about a 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.960 creature that's a hundred and twenty five times heavier than 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.840 an original gorilla, right, and you also have the problem 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:32.120 that relative to the size, King Kong has only twenty 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.480 five times the surface area of an ape skin. Okay, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.160 this is important because on top of that, you have 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.200 for that is five times as thick as a real gorilla. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.200 Because he needs to lose excess heat, he's metabolizing like 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.400 like other mammals to keep warm. He's metabolizing. He us 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.720 to lose that excess heat, but he has less skin 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.720 to lose it through and more for that's insulating, right, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.040 So it's a lot harder to wick off that heat, right, right, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.120 So I mean you would have to shave constant and 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.120 then that might do it a hairless King Kong, which 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.200 would completely change that storyline, I think. But I mean, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.240 just think about that if he were to try to 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.160 do any sort of normal movements. You know, first of all, 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.680 he would collapse again under the weight of um of himself. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.120 But also he would probably collapse because you wouldn't be 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.600 able to again get rid of the heat, and so 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.240 he would just be in a jumbled mess. He wouldn't 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:24.520 be able to get the girl and climb to the 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.800 top of the Empire State building. Right. Another thing to 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.440 know about the legs again, he would need larger leg bones. 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.360 He would just need bigger legs in general, and he 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.360 would probably need a different gait, you know, instead of 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.440 having like eight light bendy knees, he would need more 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.200 of a straight legged type of movement, which would probably 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.280 limit his ability to climb skyscrapers. Yeah, indeed, all right, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.840 let's talk about one husky boy here, Godzilla. Well, Godzilla 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.040 has kind of a leg up on the situation on 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.520 one hand, because because he's cold blighted or I don't know, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:17:00.200 presumably he is cold lighted. Um. And in the American version, well, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.160 who knows. In the America that doesn't count. Presumably Godzilla 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.600 is is cold blooded and accounting the nuclear fires brewing 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.720 in his belly. And uh. And we look back to 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.919 the dinosaurs, and these are clearly a great example of 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.879 a large creature that was a probably cold blooded you 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:22.280 know where the drew is kind of but but presumably 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:25.000 cold blooded for the sake of this argument, and was 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.280 walking around on land. Some of these guys were quite huge. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.640 And while we used to think that some of these 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.600 different sarropods were we're walking around in the muck or 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.920 in the water. To help you, know, to buoy them, 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:40.160 especially if they if they were to make love right right, Yeah, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.199 we talked about that in the dinosaurs. They probably the species, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:44.600 but yeah, if they were going to make out, knock 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.280 boots whatever, there was always that question of how do 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.280 they actually do this because they are so weighty, um, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.679 and in in Godzilla's case, we were talking about sixty 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.399 thou tons, right, like the size of a battleship, and 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.560 he does emerge from the ocean. That's worth noting. But 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.679 back to battleship. That's another interesting example. I ran across 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.000 took a battleship out of the water and put it 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.639 on land, like it would to what extent would it 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.000 fall apart because it doesn't have water holding it right? Right? 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:10.919 But okay, so the dinosaurs, for a while we have 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.160 thought that they that some of these larger models were 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:14.560 having to stay in the water all the time to 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.879 support their weight. A lot of the footprint information that 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.000 we have and now the fossilized prints, indicate that they 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.600 were walking around at least in the mud, you know, 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.080 and that therefore we're capable of land movement, maybe even 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.800 running as fast as stay an elephant, uh, you know, 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.040 like three miles per hour, I think. But here's the thing. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.680 Addition having really thick legs like a cong or a 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.920 Godzilla would need. They also walked around on four, which 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.480 is again is an enormous help in Godzilla is walking 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.159 around on two. Well, especially if you're thinking about the 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:47.520 heart and pumping blood, it's another key thing because your 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.960 brain needs some of that blood. Yeah, and you we've 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.280 you know, sore pods have been somewhat of a mystery 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.480 in that respect too, right, because they have really long 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.960 necks and they have huge bodies, and so you're talking 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.399 about pumping blood from when end up a two hundred 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.920 meter long body to the other and that's a lot 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.480 of pressure. So if your Godzilla, you know, in order 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.800 to resist that kind of pressure, your arteries near your 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.320 heart would have to be made out of steel, you know, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.159 and so that your your heart didn't burst. Yeah, Like 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.680 even giraffes, we've talked about the about this, their hearts 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.080 after piece very high pressure to force the blood all 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.359 the way to their brains. And uh, way back, one 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.639 of our first few podcasts tore that we talked about 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.640 exploding heads and reheb there was the some people are asking, well, well, 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.800 how come the giraffe's head doesn't explode when it bends 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.080 down to drink. There's actually they have a cluster of 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.359 arteries and veins that divert the blood flow under the 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.359 right circumstances to equalize the blood pressure. They've got adaptations 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:41.439 for that. But the blood pressure involved in some of these, uh, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:45.199 these dinosaurs, these long necked sauropods, is like we're we're 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.480 looking at like eight times what would we encounter in 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.400 a normal animal. So something like Godzilla or or King Kong, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.560 they would have to have tremendous blood pressure, like you said, 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.879 to just to keep the brain active, right, or you know, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.439 maybe maybe they just get dizzy very once in a 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.320 while and that's why they're swiveling around the cities and 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.080 destroying everything. Well, that's that's I'm glad that you mentioned 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.280 dizziness because that's one way to get a quick idea 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:09.720 of what this is. What we're talking about with the 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.640 blood of the brain. Lay down for a few minutes 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.359 and then get up really quick. But not right now, 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:15.960