1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how stuff 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: today we're talking about monsters. We're talking about Godzilla also 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: known as uh Gohira, and we're talking about King Kong, 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: and we're maybe gonna well, you know, we are going 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about Barbie. She's a monster, 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: and most important, we're talking about the science of all this. 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: But before we we really dive into it, what is 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: your experience with with giant monsters? Well, you know, have 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: a three year old, yes, right, So Barney is the 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: first thing I think of. Oh I thought you were 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: going to say she was like a small monster. Oh 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: well yeah, she kind of yeah, yeah, yeah, And it 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: is kind of funny how actually I'm sure to her, 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm a big monster, and she actually loves for my 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: husband and I to chase her around and sort of 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: do the big monster arms. So for sure, there's there 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: are some themes going on there, but Barney is favored. 20 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: Barney I think of as a monster. Um, I think 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: of the crack and of course one of my favorite monsters. 22 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh from my class at the time. Yes, yeah, um, 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Paul Bunyan. Was there a movie about Paula or just 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: in general this stor like super giant kind of a 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: human but not how come no one ever did? Uh? 26 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: I mean that would be that would have been great 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: to have like a purely American. I mean, I guess 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: King Kong is really our American giant monster, but even 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: he's an import Paul Bunyan. But Paul Bunyan in his 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: giant Ox attacking San Francisco, like that would be that 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: would be a great foot Yeah, I know. I mean, 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that people think of Paul Bunyan is menacing, 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: but I do I think that there's a plot line here. 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: What about you? I mean, I grew up as a 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: young boy, so I was very into the monster films, 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: especially the one I've mentioned. I think it's like a 37 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: TBS or something. They had the grand Grandpa Monster hosted 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: a like a midday monster show, and they were aways 39 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: showing like Godzilla movies, and you know, of course they're 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: there are just tons of Gods older movies. So it's 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Gods older versus this versus that versus like a whole 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: cadre of of various rubber suited villains. So you know, 43 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: I was heavy into those and I got then. I 44 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: I was an am big mystery signed theater, a few 45 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: thousand fan, and a lot of the movies that they 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: watched when involved giant rubber monster suits. And uh. One 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: of my favorites today, which which I won't I won't 48 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: get break into too much, but is a film called 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: Hanuman Versus Seven Ultraman, and it is a it's an 50 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Ultraman film, but it's a it's a Thai Japanese co 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: production in which Hanuman, the monkey god out of Hindu 52 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: mythology but also very important in Thai culture. Hanuman teams 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: up with the Ultraman and an ultra woman. I'm not 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: really sure. I'm more up on the Hindu mythology than 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Ultraman mythology, but they team up to just beat the 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: tar out of a bunch of hideous monsters that emerge 57 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: from like a rocket fact manufacturing plant or something. So 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: it's goofy and beauty full and psychedelic and from like, yeah, 59 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: sixties or seventies, and it's it's well worth hunting down 60 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: if you're you two are a monster fan. But I 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: guess one of the things that I'm really highlighting here 62 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: is like silliness, Like there's definitely a large amount of 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: silliness and fun like kids love Gammera, kids love Godzilla. 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: But if you go all the way back to n Gohira, 65 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: you're you're really looking at a different animal. Especially if 66 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: you're you're not you're not dealing with the americanized version 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: that came out, like Raymond Burron and all the different translation. 68 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: But the original Grim Go Heiro movie is a different 69 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: animal time, right, because I mean, this is a far 70 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: more complex creature, right. The American version is not so 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: much concerned about the radiation part, right, right, right, But 72 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: the Japanese version, this is a creature born of radiation 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: and exuding radiation, right, I mean, the whole sort of 74 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: part of the mythology of an atomic test and it 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: brings this monster into being. But yeah, this original one, 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: like people were dying just from being near Godzilla and 77 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: right close to it, right, And there are far more 78 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: scenes of individuals. It's more of a disaster film than 79 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the subsequent Godzilla films. Lots of people fling, 80 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: lots of people in camps, lots of people in hospitals 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: and lots of people dying from radiation poisoning. Culturally, it's 82 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: such an interesting film because you look at Japan's place 83 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: in the world at the time. You know, it's like 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: we're in the shadows of the Second World War, in 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: the shadows of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and other incidents. Go 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: Here references an incident involving an American thermonuclear device attested 87 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: near Bikini. Ititall in the Pacific code named Bravos, detonated 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: with about two point five times greater force than anticipated, 89 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: and the fallout from the bomb it ended up enveloping 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: this tuna trawler named the Lucky Dragon number five, and 91 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: it's just just coated in like a blizzard or radioactive ash. 92 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: And so the crew members in return to their home 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: port and they're black, and they've blistered skin, just a 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: cute radiation sickness, and and all the tuna is irradiated. 95 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I was reading some some interesting 96 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: commentary on this, which I'll link to on the blogs 97 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: so that people can explore it further. But there's a 98 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: lot of interesting commentary on how like this incident in particular, 99 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: especially on the heels of the Second World War. I mean, 100 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: the Japanese culture is very concerned with hygiene and uh, 101 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: and then you have this situation where you know, we're 102 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: just radioactively contaminated and not sure what is clean anymore. 103 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: And then there's also commentary to make about in especially 104 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: in subsequent Godzilla films, you see Japan using all of 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: its technological prowess to fight off an opposing force, and 106 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that it can be argued that postwar Japan felt rather 107 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: powerless to a certain degree in the global climate, you know, 108 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: because they've just come off this disastrous armed conflict, and 109 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: so their fantasy world, their fictional worlds kind of reflect 110 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: this longing to be able to deal with problems more directly. 111 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean not to limit the films to just that 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: it's not just a one plus one equals to situation, 113 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: but but those themes are pretty strong in the in 114 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: the films. Well, I was gonna say, you see that 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 1: anxiety working itself out quite a bit in these films. 116 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: Are twenty eight Godzilla films, and now is that counting 117 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: the the Geno movie. I believe that is, and I 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: know that that has been called an abomination, and not 119 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: in a good way. It's just the one where the 120 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: version of Godzilla is is that he's a lizard gets 121 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: messed with because of a nuclear meltdown and scatters it 122 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: and becomes a monster, which is kind of I mean, 123 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that you know, Godzilla is uh 124 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: far fetched anyway, but I mean you couldn't make it 125 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: any more far fetched with that premise, right, But yeah, 126 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: twenty eight films, and from what I understand to Godzilla, 127 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, at first is a very menacing figure, right 128 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: is the embodiment of the problems of nuclear energy, nuclear warfare, 129 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: and then he comes to later on represents somewhat of 130 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: a hero or at least take on this part of 131 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: as someone who is helping the people. And in fact, 132 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: they have different versions of god Godzilla versus this Godzilla 133 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: versus that Godzilla versus the small monster ecological problem um. 134 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: You see, especially in the famous Keen congressus Godzilla, which 135 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: is you know, interpromotional dream match there. This is really 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: on a slightly removed scale. This is the US versus 137 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: Japan again, and each country's cut has a slightly different 138 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: preference in who's the superior super monster. But then in 139 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: later films, Godzilla becomes not only a champion of Japan, 140 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: but a champion of Earth itself, defending Earth against various catastrophes. 141 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: And and then Godzilla's can do the same like Gammra 142 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: as always protecting the planet, protecting children, which I think 143 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: is kind of beautiful. Again, it's kind of the idea 144 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: that these uh we create, especially in the original Godzilla 145 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: and Gohira, we create this avatar of all our all 146 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: the worst possibilities of humanity, this frightening thing, and then 147 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: we're able to transform it into something positive, into into 148 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: like a strength. I don't know. I guess you can 149 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: make the argument too that it's kind of casting the 150 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: warnings aside and forgetting what the native potent to begin with. 151 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, but again I think it's so this is 152 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: where you know, art movies paint things. Everything that sort 153 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: of allows us to work out these anxieties comes into play. 154 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: And in fact, MPR had a story this morning that 155 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: was talking about Fukushima a year later, Um, you know, 156 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: the the earthquake, the tsunami and um and then the 157 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: subsequent you know, mountdown of the three reactors, uh and 158 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: that you know, the real problem right now a year later, 159 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: isn't so much the radiation levels, which really aren't as 160 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: bad as the initially thought because much of them were 161 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: swept away by the winds out over the Pacific, but 162 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: more that it's it's a psychological problem because again you 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: have this long history with with you know, nuclear materials 164 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: Japan and this distrust and the year later, people are 165 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: still not quite sure if they feel, you know, like 166 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: they're on terra firma just you know, with their government, 167 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: with their food supplies, and it's just it's kind of interesting. 168 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: So they were saying that is not a culture that 169 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: really invests a lot into mental health. I mean they have, 170 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, obviously you can go and you at medical attention, 171 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: but it's not so much geared towards mental health. So 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: there's not so much an outlet there. King Kong, on 173 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: the other hand, there's there's not I don't know, he's 174 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: not quite as deep. No, no, I mean this is 175 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: what the nineteen thirty three that King Kong comes on 176 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: the scene, and people have pointed to King Kong and 177 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: said that, you know, definitely King Kong embodies UM, so 178 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: that the naivete of American society and especially UM concerning 179 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: race relations at that time but yeah, King Kong, because 180 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: he's his foreign threat, this subhuman threat, and I think 181 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: you can sort of from an exotic place, exotic place. 182 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: He wants to steal women, climb buildings, and yeah, yeah, yeah, 183 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: I guess if you look at King Kong from that standpoint, 184 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: he's kind of awful, Like he's also kind of an 185 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: avatar of awfulness, just maybe in his an initial inception 186 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: when they want as conscious of it. Whereas Go here 187 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: is obviously the themes are a lot more prevalent and 188 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: on the surface, whereas King Kong and the awfulness is 189 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of hidden. And yet in King Kong in the story, 190 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: you're meant to feel empathy for this creature, so you're 191 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: you to fear him, but you also are too empathize 192 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: with him, right because here he is he's the last 193 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: survivors species. He's lived on School Island his entire life. 194 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: He's a beautiful girl. Uh you know, he tries to 195 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: to I don't know, to make out with her or whatever, 196 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: and then he is essentially enslaved, brought to New York, 197 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: he made to perform on Broadway. I know, I always 198 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: forget about that portion of the story. And then and 199 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: then of course, the whole building thing and the airplane. Yeah, yeah, 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a sad story. The remake of that was 201 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: a lot more in keeping with I guess the spirit 202 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: of the original is that the Jessica Lang one. Oh 203 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: there were no there were a couple of remixes, right, 204 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: there's one that there was like an eighties version of it. Yeah, yeah, 205 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: and that one was I think that one was just 206 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of weird. I don't know if anyone has any 207 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: real love for that film outside of maybe you know, 208 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: cheesy enthusiasm. But then Peter Jackson, Oh that's right, okay, yea, yeah, 209 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,599 Speaker 1: which my only problems with that one is a it 210 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: seemed I think that movie is like six hours long 211 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: or something like. It's awfully long for King Kong, and 212 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: I'll so I remember it just had some really look over. 213 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I love dark imagery as much as the 214 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: next person, but like, this is King Kong and there's 215 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: this scene where these like all these horrible giant insect 216 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: monsters are like meeting people and giant slugs are like 217 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: sucking people's faces, and I remember thinking that this is 218 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: a bit dark. Jackson, Um, well, it was filler to 219 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: your point. You can't really make a film that long 220 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: with the premise of King Kong, you know, but still 221 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: it was over like everything was like like they're like 222 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: King Kong, let's do this, except we're gonna it's gonna 223 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: be King Kong on steroids. In the original, he fights 224 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: one dinosaur. This time he's gonna fight two dinosaurs. You know, 225 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: that's right, all right, So let's let's let's throw some 226 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: science on these beasts. Yeah, first, let's take a quick break, 227 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll see stabbling about the 228 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: culture behind these monsters and so forth, and we will 229 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: start talking about the science behind gigantic animals and whether 230 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: it's even pot Alright, so we're back, and it's time 231 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: to get into the morphological limits of giant monsters. Yeah yeah, okay. 232 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: So here's here's just something that's a basic Okay, all right, 233 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 1: So if you're going to create something that's bigger than 234 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: the original, um, the weight as a function of their 235 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: volume is going to increase dramatically faster than does the 236 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: surface area, right this creature. This is important to remember 237 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: because this has a lot of important consequences. Um. So, 238 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: basically is that if you're going to double something size 239 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: and keep its proportions the same. The weight doesn't double 240 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: or even quadruple. It actually increases by a factor of eight. Okay, 241 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: so when we're talking about King Kong, we're talking about 242 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: a gorilla that is super giant, right, And when we're 243 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: talking about Godzilla, we're talking about dinosaur hybrid that is 244 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: runs on both gas and electric. That's right. He does 245 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: have some electric properties similar, which doesn't make any sense 246 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: with the flames in the radioactivity. I mean there's a 247 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: lot going on there anyway. Well, radioactive firestorms. I mean 248 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: that's part of the whole nuclear apocalypse scenario, you know, 249 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 1: Like you see the ridges on his back start to 250 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: get electrified, and then the fire comes out of his mouth, 251 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: and yet at the same time he's always exuding radiation. 252 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Yeah, there's a lot of port for 253 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: one fork. Yeah, well, Gamra has it coming out both ends. 254 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: So because you've seen Gamra, right, a big turtle, he 255 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: can retract his back to legs and then fire comes 256 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: out and he flies around. But I was going to 257 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: make like a little gas joke. There should be eight 258 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: year old boy in me. Yeah, I should have brought 259 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: in my Gamera toy too help us with this, but 260 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting off track gadding about monsters. Another way to 261 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: look at this mass thing that I really like is 262 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: the spherical cow analogy. Alright, So the shape of an 263 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: animal can be a little complex, and it's a simpler 264 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: if you look at something like a cow, and look 265 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: at the cow and imagine it as just a sphere 266 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: like the mass just reduced to a sphere of calmus, okay, 267 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: and then imagine increasing the size of that that mass, 268 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: all right, And again the volume increases more rapidly than 269 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: the surface area. So if you double the ray idious 270 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: of the sphere, the surface area increases four times, and 271 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: the volume increases eight times. That again, like you said, 272 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: you double something size, and if it keeps the same proportions, 273 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the weight doesn't double or even quadruple, it increases eightfold. 274 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: So you have something like King Kong, right, who is 275 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: thirty feet high in the film, five times the size 276 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: of a real gorilla, and his proportions are more or 277 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: less the same. If you were to take an actual 278 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: gorilla and you were to blow it up like that 279 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: in a you know, honey, I blew up the kid's fashion, 280 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: the creature would not be able to stand, its legs 281 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: would break. Basically, its own weights bones can't support it. 282 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: We're talking about thirty ft high tons, right. Yeah. I 283 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: was reading an interesting country about the size of animals 284 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: and how the size of something is very much. I 285 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: mean it's it's not just a matter of oh, this 286 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: is a big one and this is a little one. Yes, 287 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: there are there's a certain amount to be said about 288 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: dwarf is m versus gigantism in organisms. But but takes 289 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: something like a whale, Like a whale is large, and 290 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: whale is massive, and its mass allows it, among other things, 291 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: to keep warm and chilling waters. If you were to 292 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: reduce a blue whale to the size of a minnow, 293 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: it would not be able to stay warm. Its size 294 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: is part of its function. Would actually have to consume 295 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: far more, right for energy. Right, Yeah, That's why you 296 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: have things like mice and other small animals that are 297 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: just so ravenous that have an endless hunger because they're 298 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: having to keep up their metabolism. Yep. Yeah. So when 299 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: you're looking at King Kong and you're talking about a 300 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: creature that's a hundred and twenty five times heavier than 301 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: an original gorilla, right, and you also have the problem 302 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: that relative to the size, King Kong has only twenty 303 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: five times the surface area of an ape skin. Okay, 304 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: this is important because on top of that, you have 305 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: for that is five times as thick as a real gorilla. 306 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Because he needs to lose excess heat, he's metabolizing like 307 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: like other mammals to keep warm. He's metabolizing. He us 308 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: to lose that excess heat, but he has less skin 309 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: to lose it through and more for that's insulating, right, 310 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: So it's a lot harder to wick off that heat, right, right, 311 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: So I mean you would have to shave constant and 312 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: then that might do it a hairless King Kong, which 313 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: would completely change that storyline, I think. But I mean, 314 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: just think about that if he were to try to 315 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: do any sort of normal movements. You know, first of all, 316 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: he would collapse again under the weight of um of himself. 317 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: But also he would probably collapse because you wouldn't be 318 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: able to again get rid of the heat, and so 319 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: he would just be in a jumbled mess. He wouldn't 320 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: be able to get the girl and climb to the 321 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: top of the Empire State building. Right. Another thing to 322 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: know about the legs again, he would need larger leg bones. 323 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: He would just need bigger legs in general, and he 324 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: would probably need a different gait, you know, instead of 325 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: having like eight light bendy knees, he would need more 326 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: of a straight legged type of movement, which would probably 327 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: limit his ability to climb skyscrapers. Yeah, indeed, all right, 328 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about one husky boy here, Godzilla. Well, Godzilla 329 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: has kind of a leg up on the situation on 330 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: one hand, because because he's cold blighted or I don't know, 331 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: presumably he is cold lighted. Um. And in the American version, well, 332 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: who knows. In the America that doesn't count. Presumably Godzilla 333 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: is is cold blooded and accounting the nuclear fires brewing 334 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: in his belly. And uh. And we look back to 335 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: the dinosaurs, and these are clearly a great example of 336 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: a large creature that was a probably cold blooded you 337 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: know where the drew is kind of but but presumably 338 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: cold blooded for the sake of this argument, and was 339 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: walking around on land. Some of these guys were quite huge. 340 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 1: And while we used to think that some of these 341 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: different sarropods were we're walking around in the muck or 342 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: in the water. To help you, know, to buoy them, 343 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: especially if they if they were to make love right right, Yeah, 344 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: we talked about that in the dinosaurs. They probably the species, 345 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, if they were going to make out, knock 346 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: boots whatever, there was always that question of how do 347 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: they actually do this because they are so weighty, um, 348 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: and in in Godzilla's case, we were talking about sixty 349 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: thou tons, right, like the size of a battleship, and 350 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: he does emerge from the ocean. That's worth noting. But 351 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: back to battleship. That's another interesting example. I ran across 352 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: took a battleship out of the water and put it 353 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: on land, like it would to what extent would it 354 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: fall apart because it doesn't have water holding it right? Right? 355 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: But okay, so the dinosaurs, for a while we have 356 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: thought that they that some of these larger models were 357 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: having to stay in the water all the time to 358 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: support their weight. A lot of the footprint information that 359 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: we have and now the fossilized prints, indicate that they 360 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: were walking around at least in the mud, you know, 361 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: and that therefore we're capable of land movement, maybe even 362 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: running as fast as stay an elephant, uh, you know, 363 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: like three miles per hour, I think. But here's the thing. 364 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: Addition having really thick legs like a cong or a 365 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: Godzilla would need. They also walked around on four, which 366 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: is again is an enormous help in Godzilla is walking 367 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: around on two. Well, especially if you're thinking about the 368 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: heart and pumping blood, it's another key thing because your 369 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: brain needs some of that blood. Yeah, and you we've 370 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, sore pods have been somewhat of a mystery 371 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: in that respect too, right, because they have really long 372 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: necks and they have huge bodies, and so you're talking 373 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: about pumping blood from when end up a two hundred 374 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: meter long body to the other and that's a lot 375 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: of pressure. So if your Godzilla, you know, in order 376 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: to resist that kind of pressure, your arteries near your 377 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: heart would have to be made out of steel, you know, 378 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: and so that your your heart didn't burst. Yeah, Like 379 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: even giraffes, we've talked about the about this, their hearts 380 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: after piece very high pressure to force the blood all 381 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: the way to their brains. And uh, way back, one 382 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: of our first few podcasts tore that we talked about 383 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: exploding heads and reheb there was the some people are asking, well, well, 384 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: how come the giraffe's head doesn't explode when it bends 385 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: down to drink. There's actually they have a cluster of 386 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: arteries and veins that divert the blood flow under the 387 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: right circumstances to equalize the blood pressure. They've got adaptations 388 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: for that. But the blood pressure involved in some of these, uh, 389 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: these dinosaurs, these long necked sauropods, is like we're we're 390 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: looking at like eight times what would we encounter in 391 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: a normal animal. So something like Godzilla or or King Kong, 392 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: they would have to have tremendous blood pressure, like you said, 393 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: to just to keep the brain active, right, or you know, 394 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: maybe maybe they just get dizzy very once in a 395 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: while and that's why they're swiveling around the cities and 396 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: destroying everything. Well, that's that's I'm glad that you mentioned 397 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: dizziness because that's one way to get a quick idea 398 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: of what this is. What we're talking about with the 399 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: blood of the brain. Lay down for a few minutes 400 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: and then get up really quick. But not right now, 401 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: right now, So don't we don't know what you're doing. 402 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you could be on a bus, on a 403 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: train walking, but that feeling that you get when you 404 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: get up really quick and you're like, oh, I'm so dizzy. 405 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: That's because you've your position has changed the bloodstic to 406 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: your brain. Uh. Imagine if you were even taller, it 407 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: would be even more of an issue. So that's another 408 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: thing to take into a consideration with these giant animals 409 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: is how's the blood flow gonna work? How are they 410 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: going to get blood to their brain? That we're dealing 411 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: with a whole new set of engineering problems. Here's another 412 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: sticking point, Godzi less skin. Yes, okay, it has to 413 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: be somehow strong enough to resist bullets variety of munitions, 414 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: but yet flexible enough to move around. Right, So I 415 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: mean that's that that's some serious engineering right there. It is. Yeah, 416 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: and nanotechnology wasn't even you know, next since in nine um. 417 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: And then another key issue to keep in mind with 418 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: the animal size is that you have to ask your 419 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: stuff like why why are animals as big as they are? 420 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: And why do they remain that way? Well? Um, like 421 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: size evolution has a lot to do with the arms 422 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: race between prey and predators and surviving various environments, like 423 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: there has to be a reason for something to be 424 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: that big, and granted, Godzilla kind of gets by with 425 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: the whole Oh it's a mutation or it's you know, 426 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: ancient ancient animal from a previous ecosystem plus radiation equals 427 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: something that doesn't quite make sense. King Kong has less 428 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: of an excuse because he's just living on an island somewhere, right, 429 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: And does he really have an environment and ecosystem that 430 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: supports his size. I mean, granted, there are like dinosaurs 431 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: on Skull Island and presumably he's eating some of those, right, 432 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, but if he's the largest and most fierce too, 433 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have a natural predator that he 434 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: needs to be really that large and dominate anyway. Yeah, 435 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's like when we're talking about super predators, 436 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: especially like this was us, wasn't it? Or I feel 437 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: like we were talking about this in the past podcast 438 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: about then are doppelgangers maybe oh yeah, oh their their podcast? 439 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah mind yeah, yeah, Okay, But if you think of 440 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: like any kind of superprederor especially like the prehistoric superpredators 441 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: like this giant like super shark, super tyrannosaur type creatures, 442 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: imagine them as kings the top of pyramid of bones 443 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: there at the very top, and that that pyramid gets 444 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: wider as you reach the ground, because those are all 445 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: the layers of food that have to support them. Like 446 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: the lowest layer, of course, is like plants, and then 447 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: there are a whole bunch of things that eat those plants, 448 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: and then things that eat those animals, and then things 449 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: to those animals, and at the very top you have 450 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: this this lofty king of all things. The environment can 451 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: only support so many of those guys, and there are 452 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: limits to what they can support, what they can give, right, 453 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: and what they can give. So so that's another thing 454 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: you have to ask about, especially like a King Kong 455 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: or anything that lives on a monster island, is to 456 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: what extent could the ecosystem possibly support an animal and 457 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: how how long could it supported before you know, Kim 458 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: Kong wiped out everything? Right, right, Yeah, he's not very sustainable, 459 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: that's the thing. So he's a perfect symbol for American culture. 460 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm about to say, yeah, he's He's a good symbol 461 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: for gluttony for sure, Bob. But another symbol of American culture, right, 462 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, another beast um. What we're talking about 463 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: is the blonde haired giant menace Barbie. Uh. Since two 464 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, Gallia Sland, now a student at Hamilton College, 465 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: unveils a monster she created for the purpose of showing, 466 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: um uh people the the sort of body dysmorphia present 467 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: in the Barbie doll. And she presents this at the 468 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: National Eating Disorder Awareness Week at different events. It is 469 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: a life size Barbie that she created. And I'm just 470 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna throw some stats out there. Um, if Barbie were 471 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: an actual woman, Okay, she would be five ft nine 472 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 1: that's a reasonable height for yeah, yeah, she would have 473 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: a thirty nine inch bust. Now, Okay, in these times 474 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: of padding, maybe that doesn't seem too huge, but just 475 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: think about it that that really is quite large. It's 476 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: more like on par with maybe Dolly Parton, Okay, Okay, 477 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: So Dolly Parton is a good frame of preference for that. Okay, Yeah, 478 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: an eighteen inch waist, which is insane, Like, who would 479 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: that be on part with? That would be Vivianly from 480 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: Gone with a Wind And she was corseted to a 481 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: nineteen inch waist, and that's insane because she's super petite. Okay, 482 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: I think woman corseted to the point of passing out. Yeah, 483 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: to think about the like your typical hourglass dimensions would be, 484 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, like thirty thirty four, thirty four being the hips, 485 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: twenty four being the waist, thirty four being the bust. Okay, 486 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: So here we have Barbie five nine, thirty nine bust, 487 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: eighteen inch waist and thirty three hips okay, so very 488 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: slender hips and a size three shoe. Okay. Now, of course, 489 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: with all the other Godzilla and King Kong proportions that 490 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't seem too crazy. But again, you 491 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: know these when we get the Godzilla dolls or I 492 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: should say toys rather or King Kong toys, we don't 493 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: actually think of them as fashioned after ourselves, whereas Barbie 494 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: is fashioned after a female human. So at five nine 495 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: tall and win one ten pounds, Barbie would have a 496 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: body that index of sixteen point two four and she 497 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: likely would not menstruate because of this, And if you 498 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: were a real woman, she would have to walk on 499 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: all fours due to her proportions. And I just thought 500 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: this was fascinating. Slumber Party Barbie was introduced in nine 501 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: and came with a bathroom scale permanently set at one pounds, 502 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: with a book entitled How to Lose Weight with directions 503 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: inside stating simply don't eat. Yeah. Yeah, that this is 504 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: the most monsters thing, like discussed in the podcast. And 505 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: there are two Barbie dolls sold every second in the world. Wow, 506 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: now that is world domination, my friend. Yeah, I far 507 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: better than a little girl, a little boy would want 508 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: to grow up in the Godzilla I think. I mean, 509 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: you can breathe fire. I mean, that's that's pretty cool. 510 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: You're turning your your your weaknesses into strength. You're standing 511 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: up for the environment, for for nation, for planet, for 512 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: little kids. I mean all that Barbie just wants sold 513 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: these weight and not learning maths. So yeah, but you know, 514 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: just a little fun like, uh talk about the limits 515 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: of human I guess you could say proportions. There's something 516 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: I want to throw out to the listeners. I wonder 517 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: has any work of fiction actually tackled giant creatures in 518 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: a more believable manner, like taking into account the physics, 519 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: because I generally that that's off the table with these 520 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: and I'm not complaining because I enjoy them. But like, 521 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: the only example I can think of about hand is 522 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: that there's a book by the author Michael Shea, who's 523 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: a fabulous sci fi horror and dark fantasy writer An 524 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: he wrote these books about this character, nif Bilin, and 525 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: he's always going on these like the guy is like 526 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: super into Dante's Inferno and the sex lies of the insects. 527 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: So he's definitely an author after my own heart. He 528 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: writes these sales about these characters, is going into the 529 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: underworld and and there's there's one episode where guys to 530 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: bring back this elixir to these giant underworld insects used 531 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: to to feed their larva, and he brings it up 532 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: and they feed it too. Bees. With this scheme, they're 533 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna grow giant bees and then they're gonna have lots 534 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: of honey. And of course the bees then get so 535 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: big they can't fly and they're just rolling around and 536 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: the human ends up taking some of this and he 537 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: gets so big hecaus just in constant pain. And he's 538 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: first rolling around and he doesn't like fall apart at 539 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: any or anything, but he ends up having like crawl 540 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: into the ocean to support his weight. A dinosaur knocking boots. Yeah, 541 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: and then I think he gets like I forget what 542 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: happens to him. But if you want to read more 543 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: about it, check out the work of Michael Ja. He's 544 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: quite pacive. Uh, And do tell us what you think 545 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: about giant animals, giant monsters and again if you find 546 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: any in in fiction that actually make a little bit 547 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: of scientific sense, let us know. 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