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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles. This

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Speaker 1: is a very special episode. Our guest today is an

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Speaker 1: expert author of a book that I will just say

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Speaker 1: explained a lot, explained everything about how modern America operates

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Speaker 1: in a lot of aspects.

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Speaker 2: And you'll even hear me admit the beginning. I'm like

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Speaker 2: I was going around a lot of my adult life

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Speaker 2: vaguely understanding what we're talking about, and then but hearing

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Speaker 2: it properly and like reading it, have it be properly

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Speaker 2: articulated by someone who's like looking at it from a

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Speaker 2: legal standpoint. Oh yeah, Yo, that's fucking terrible. I mean,

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Speaker 2: like I knew that broadly, but this is it gives

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Speaker 2: it so much texture in a way though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it might seem at first like a little

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Speaker 1: depressing because it's like it's giving you really good texture

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Speaker 1: on like why things are bad in certain ways. But

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately it's kind of hopeful because it at

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Speaker 1: least gives you an understanding of how things are actually operating.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to our expert guest, Brendan Blue,

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Speaker 1: for a couple acts here for like the next forty minutes.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back and close things out after that. So

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Speaker 1: we will talk to you guys in a bit.

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Speaker 2: Just a caveat I normally, I just I don't speak

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Speaker 2: to the FEDS normally, So please don't. I don't want

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Speaker 2: you guys writing in.

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Speaker 1: About how I made miles doing I said, it's a

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Speaker 1: it's always been fine for me. Come along, friend, let's

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Speaker 1: talk to the FED. What is something from your search

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Speaker 1: history that's for Tom? Yeah, he doesn't need to be

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Speaker 1: arrange it.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, And I'm just surprised.

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Speaker 1: We have the rearranged search history has probably been first

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Speaker 1: for one thousand, five hundred episodes. Is that how we've done?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: No, Yeah, well it's funny because it's it's last on

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Speaker 4: the list of things that you send out that you're

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Speaker 4: going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we like to keep you off guard so that

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Speaker 1: maybe you give us your real search history, pretty search

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Speaker 1: history you want people to believe.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I just know that I'm angry right off top.

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Speaker 3: The last thing that I that I googled was where

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Speaker 3: does band it work? M And you don't if you

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Speaker 3: have a kid who's maybe just a little younger than

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Speaker 3: mine or too old. What's your youngest lie?

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Speaker 1: Mine is five years old.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so he is in it? It's yeah.

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Speaker 4: But what's funny about Blue is that they have jobs,

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Speaker 4: and they have like dog jobs.

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Speaker 5: Oh and wait, which one's blue?

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Speaker 3: Wait?

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Speaker 2: Who's bandit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah he's the dad's I've seen the bluey.

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Speaker 2: I've seen I definitely seen a couple of Oh so oh,

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Speaker 2: Bandit is like the okay, got it? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So if you don't know, Blue is like one of

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Speaker 4: the only shows that you can watch as an adult,

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Speaker 4: like a kids show. I think it's like SpongeBob, you know,

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Speaker 4: where it's like the jokes are good enough, you know,

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Speaker 4: and it feels good enough that adults watch it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Right, it feels good. It's also it can be like heartbreakings.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very it can be heartbreaking.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like, uh, I look at it like

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Speaker 4: a blueprint for how to interact with your kids. It's

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Speaker 4: like your parents just yes and everything and explain everything,

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Speaker 4: and they're just so nice.

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Speaker 1: And so patient, so patient, like the they have like

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Speaker 1: zen boot levels of patience with their children and that

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Speaker 1: that is one of the first questions that occurs to

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Speaker 1: you watching it, is like, so the dad is just

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Speaker 1: like unemployed or something. What's going on? Why why is

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Speaker 1: he spending an entire day?

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Speaker 4: Because the show's not about their jobs, it's about you.

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Speaker 4: How so, but the both the parents have dog jobs,

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Speaker 4: which I think is really funny. Like he's an archaeologist,

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Speaker 4: meaning that he digs up bones, okay, and the mom

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Speaker 4: Chili on the sidewalk, is a sidewalk shitter.

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Speaker 3: She's a bomb sniffing dog at the airport.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, wait, there's which implies the present domestic and

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Speaker 1: international terrorism.

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Speaker 3: But there Australia, there's not as much of a worry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ozzie's gang. Who are Who's who's bringing bombs into

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Speaker 3: No one, not with Chili on the losing Wait.

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Speaker 2: Do they ever do they reference? It's like, do you

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they know she's a mom at work,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you know, not it's not her only identity.

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Speaker 4: Because women at work often face extra challenges being mothers,

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Speaker 4: This is true. And some of them have really mean bosses.

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Speaker 4: And now my wife actually has a very mean, mean,

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Speaker 4: mean boss at her office, and it sounds horrible for her.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's me, that's right. I am pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: What you see not what you get with this podcast.

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Speaker 1: This whole personality.

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Speaker 4: Classic, hiding it in front of almost everybody every time

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Speaker 4: you ever open up your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good, I'm coming for him, But because I

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Speaker 1: just I think I can squeeze a little more productivity

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Speaker 1: out of them with the force of my personality nick

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Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, and and my hunger for conflict.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two things that drive me.

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Speaker 3: And you started that seven day work week, for.

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Speaker 2: Which she loves.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how the only way we'll have it.

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Speaker 3: The we don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're fully up on Blue, or at

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Speaker 1: least I don't think I've watched every episode of Blue

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 1: We don't like go to work with them ever, right,

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Speaker 4: No, you don't go to work with them. They just

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Speaker 4: even like know, like, oh, I don't know their names

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Speaker 4: because they don't mention it enough. It's only like if

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Speaker 4: another adult they see out calls them by their first name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bandit and Chili Yeah yeah, you know some great

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Speaker 1: Australian accents, like the really really makes you fond of

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Speaker 1: I guess it just makes you fond of everything that

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Speaker 4: I was reading recently they had to change an episode

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Speaker 4: that hadn't aired here just in Australia that included fat

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Speaker 4: shaming because they're very worried about everything, all right.

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Speaker 2: But it's when you're ascribing some kind of value to

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Speaker 2: I've talked about like in like Asian culture, because you'd

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Speaker 2: be like, hey, you're bald, or like wow, look at

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Speaker 2: cultures don't have like a there's no like you just

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Speaker 2: go straight to it. There's it's very direct, and especially

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Speaker 2: when you talk about someone's looks. And I was talking

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Speaker 2: about that with like my wife and I was ti like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we do that japanel time. It's like yeah, but that's

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Speaker 3: That's true. Haha, I didn't think of I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like bald shaming is still pretty common, like in the

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Speaker 1: US at the very least like that. Oh yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: nobody's trying to speak up for the bald. Well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's because it's, like, you know, because you

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Speaker 2: live in such a patriarchal society. They're like, no, fuck

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Speaker 2: you guys were talking about men.

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Speaker 4: The only show that really talks about being bald is

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Speaker 3: People hate you, bald. Larry. You know, I just got

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Speaker 4: Uh huh oh you started taking hair loss pills or

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Speaker 3: Because I just got I got to the I'm not bald,

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Speaker 3: but I've got enough.

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Speaker 1: I'd of hair.

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Speaker 3: I've got enough of a.

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Speaker 2: You're starting measure trying to measure it.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I can notice it.

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Speaker 1: You got the calibers out and went from your eyebrow

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where I need that's the one where that's like

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Speaker 4: a pencil holder slash knife that you compass. That's a

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Speaker 4: that's a compass.

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Speaker 1: Calibers are like.

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Speaker 3: That thing is how I used it in school?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first you can bring to school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was allowed allowable.

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Speaker 3: And isn't the compass the ruler.

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Speaker 2: That's a protractor.

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Speaker 1: Pro tract that's a pro tractor wrangles and stuff.

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Speaker 2: The way you said ship like like a lot, like

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Speaker 2: you just fucked up majorly with them.

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Speaker 1: He's just, hey, Nick, you just fucked up big time.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 4: My kids school supplies and I really got him the wrong.

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Speaker 3: Thing they get. You got him a compass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they generally don't give those too.

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Speaker 3: I got him a whole orienteering set.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that phrase.

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Speaker 4: But oh that's like that's where you would have a compass.

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Speaker 3: That's for like looking, you know, like tricking the woods.

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Speaker 1: Nick, what's something you think is oprated? What it's something,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin you think is overrated?

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Speaker 6: I think that, and this might be controversial, but I

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Speaker 6: think that nachos are overrated, especially the kind you get

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Speaker 6: as like at a restaurant when they like load on

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Speaker 6: flavors are good, but the execution is bad because they

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Speaker 6: all get the chips get soggy almost immediately. It is

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Speaker 6: very hard to get a good like distribution of all

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Speaker 6: the toppings onto one chip because you got one that's

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Speaker 6: like nothing but beef, which is gonna be my new catchphrase.

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Speaker 1: Get out of my swamp. And if you come in

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Speaker 1: my swamp, there's nothing but beef here for you exactly.

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Speaker 6: And the other ones it's like, you know, only sour cream.

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Speaker 6: It's just I think again, poorly executed.

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Speaker 2: How how would you optimize? Because my biggest you know,

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Speaker 2: gripe with bad nachos at a restaurant is it's all

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Speaker 2: top heavy, like yeah yeah, and then and so you

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Speaker 2: have it all on top and then underneath it's just

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Speaker 2: a bunch of dry chips and then you got to

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Speaker 2: kind of use those to like scrape by the top.

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Speaker 2: I like when people layer them. I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 2: as upset about the crunchiness because for me, I just

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Speaker 2: want to have just shit on every chip. Basically, it's

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Speaker 2: how I look at it. But how would you optimize

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Speaker 2: If we're going to get around this, I think.

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Speaker 6: We just need to do and this is a this

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Speaker 6: will become a surface area problem because you're going to

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Speaker 6: need a big ass tray. Yeah, just like one single

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Speaker 6: layer of chips and then the topics evenly distributed, so

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Speaker 6: you're talking like a tray.

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Speaker 2: It's going to need to be like fourteen feet.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's just good to do something good for yourself

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Speaker 1: And we're back. So that that story about how their

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Speaker 2: I know you've said this too, like it's the federal

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Speaker 2: Like the DOJ is not the only entity that can

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Speaker 2: go after this, but like, how how do you explain

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Speaker 2: Like when people talk about the frustration of like well

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Speaker 2: then what like something's out of give where where will

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Speaker 2: it give it.

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Speaker 3: Will be Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a huge issue because you know, as you

447
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Speaker 10: started off, you know, private equity, I think has been

448
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Speaker 10: uniquely successful in lobbying. You know, if you look at

449
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Speaker 10: who private equity firms have hired, it's former secretaries of State,

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Speaker 10: Treasury defends for two former Speakers of the House, to

451
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Speaker 10: a vice president, former chair people of the FCC, and SEC.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's a really deep bench, and that means

453
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Speaker 10: that they have just been extraordinarily successful at sort of

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Speaker 10: advancing their legislative and regulatory agenda. I think the other

455
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Speaker 10: challenge that we've got, and I think you hit on

456
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Speaker 10: this exactly right, is it's really hard for ordinary people

457
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Speaker 10: to hold private equity firms accountable. We have this doctrine

458
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Speaker 10: called corporate veil piercing, which means that it's very hard

459
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Speaker 10: to hold an investor responsible for the actions of the

460
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Speaker 10: company that they invest in. That makes sense for you

461
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Speaker 10: and me, where we've got our little Vanguard account and

462
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Speaker 10: have like one share of stock and a company, you know,

463
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Speaker 10: we don't really have much to say over them. That

464
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Speaker 10: doctrine doesn't necessarily make sense for a private equity firm

465
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Speaker 10: that has a controlling stake in these businesses and can

466
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Speaker 10: essentially tell them what to do. And then lastly, I

467
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Speaker 10: mean I think you hit the point exactly right, which

468
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Speaker 10: is a lot of times it's just hard to even

469
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Speaker 10: figure out who owns what and who to sue. I

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Speaker 10: talked with folks that sue nursing homes on behalf of

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Speaker 10: families whose you know, parents don't or we're injured or

472
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Speaker 10: whatever it happens to be, and they're telling me, you know, look,

473
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Speaker 10: these guys have these really broke organizational structures where there

474
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Speaker 10: are shifting assets across multiple shell companies and you know,

475
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Speaker 10: sort of across different shells, and it's really hard to

476
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Speaker 10: figure out who is responsible and who has the assets

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Speaker 10: to recover. So it's a really tough problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's something that's becoming normal too, like other

479
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Speaker 2: industries are, like you know, what kind of works is

480
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Speaker 2: if you kind of spread it all around and no

481
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Speaker 2: one knows how to get like seek damages.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You tell us one really memorable story about Ashford, which is,

484
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Speaker 1: you know, a Franciscan University of the Prairies is what

485
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Speaker 1: it's called, but it's like a really small college run

486
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Speaker 1: by nuns. And then it gets taken over and turned

487
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Speaker 1: into Ashford University, which becomes this you know, Phoenix University

488
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Speaker 1: like adjacent thing, and it's really this like outraging thing.

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Speaker 1: And then you also mentioned that like the private acqua

490
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Speaker 1: firm that now runs it is Warburg Pinkus, which is

491
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Speaker 1: run by Obama's former Treasury Secrety Secretary Tim Geitner. And

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Speaker 1: it's just like you just see that over and over again,

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Speaker 1: like the amount of people from positions of power who

494
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Speaker 1: like know how things work better than anybody, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: most people listening to this and like know how things

496
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Speaker 1: really work behind the scenes, are are going into private equity,

497
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Speaker 1: and it just really feels like a eluding, a plundering

498
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Speaker 1: that's happening.

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Speaker 10: I yeah, I heard this third hand, so I don't

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Speaker 10: know how true it is. But there was a senior

501
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Speaker 10: government official who ended up doing some work for a

502
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Speaker 10: private equity firm, and somebody was chiding them and they said, look,

503
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Speaker 10: you know, it's not who's working for private equity, it's

504
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Speaker 10: who isn't working for private equity right now. So it's

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Speaker 10: it's pretty extraordinary the breadth of their success.

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Speaker 2: Right And just like the greed, how it compounds itself.

507
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Speaker 2: You know, because now it seems like you're almost incentivized

508
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Speaker 2: to get into private equity because of how little repercussions

509
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Speaker 2: people face. And I'm curious, like when you have a

510
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Speaker 2: case like like the ones we've talked about, when it's like, yeah, man,

511
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Speaker 2: like they own this company and they basically started throttling

512
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Speaker 2: back their level of care which led to someone losing

513
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Speaker 2: their life. Okay, well, then tell me who owns this

514
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Speaker 2: and that person's responsible, Like when these cases get like

515
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Speaker 2: dismissed the things is that the cynical part of like

516
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Speaker 2: I think the cynical shorthand version of someone who believes

517
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Speaker 2: in how like cronyism works and things like that believe

518
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Speaker 2: that like, oh, the judges are in on it too.

519
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Everybody's in on this, that's why it's happening. But I

520
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Speaker 2: think you've also raised the point that it's not necessarily

521
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Speaker 2: like like there's there's a huge barrier to get over,

522
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Speaker 2: which is informing people of how this even works too,

523
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Speaker 2: and like having enough public pressure like around this idea

524
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Speaker 2: or this industry of private equity that gets people to

525
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Speaker 2: sort of be on the same page to understand the issues.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I think one of the challenges that

527
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Speaker 10: we've got is exactly what you're saying is education. And

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Speaker 10: that's not just educating you know, sort of your listeners

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Speaker 10: or you know people, and you know, you know, people

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Speaker 10: that are just generally interested in this topic. It's also

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Speaker 10: informing judges, people in government, you know, what private equity

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Speaker 10: is and what the practical consequences are. One of the

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Speaker 10: challenges that I think people who are critical of the

534
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Speaker 10: private equity business model have is, you know, private equity

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Speaker 10: firms have an enormous amount of money to lobby and

536
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Speaker 10: to litigate their issues, and the other side, you know,

537
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 10: just has a fraction to do the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 10: one of the cases was over this obscure sort of

539
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Speaker 10: retirement law issue, and at stake was like four point

540
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Speaker 10: five million dollars for the private equity firm. It was

541
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Speaker 10: essentially a rounding error. They spent ten years litigating the

542
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Speaker 10: case in order not to have to pay out because

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Speaker 10: they have the resources to do it and they wanted

544
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Speaker 10: to set the precedent that they could. And so, you know,

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Speaker 10: we've got to inform people, and we've also got to

546
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Speaker 10: figure out how to sort of power activists and folks

547
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Speaker 10: that want to work on this stuff so that they

548
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Speaker 10: can do this work for the long term, right, can.

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Speaker 1: We can we just list some of the industries where

550
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Speaker 1: people might have seen their work, because it's just going

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Speaker 1: back to that initial statement about like we have an

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Speaker 1: anecdotally everyone seems to have a feeling that things are

553
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Speaker 1: getting worse. But you know, it's kind of hard to

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Speaker 1: we don't have much to compare it to. But there,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's presence in the dental industry, veterinary I

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Speaker 1: think you mentioned grocery stores at one point that you know,

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Speaker 1: there's one of the reasons they're like two grocery stores

558
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Speaker 1: in the in the country that didn't used to be

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Speaker 1: the case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So private equity is you know, I don't want

562
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Speaker 10: to overstate the case, but they they're active in you know,

563
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Speaker 10: most most every industry that you can think of, whether

564
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Speaker 10: you're talking about sort of retail things we were talking

565
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Speaker 10: about toys, r us and stuff earlier, or grocery stores.

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Speaker 10: As you say, when we're talking about healthcare, it's not

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Speaker 10: just emergency rooms and ambulances. It's ordinary sort of opgyn

568
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Speaker 10: and urgent care clinics buying up literal insurance companies, you know,

569
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Speaker 10: life insurance claims worker compensation companies to things like manufacturing infrastructure.

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Speaker 10: In some places, private equity firms literally bought up the

571
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Speaker 10: municipal water services that you might use to drink, you know,

572
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Speaker 10: water from your tap.

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Speaker 1: How'd that work out for them?

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Speaker 10: Unfortunately, it didn't work out terribly well. So the private

575
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 10: equity firm operated with as a joint venture ultimately dramatically

576
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Speaker 10: raised the price for users to such an extent that

577
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Speaker 10: local reporters were saying that people quote unquote became water nazis,

578
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Speaker 10: would time their family members in the shower and would

579
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Speaker 10: only buy flowers that didn't require a lot of water. So, unfortunately,

580
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Speaker 10: that's a contract that those two cities are now going

581
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Speaker 10: to have to sit with for the next thirty years

582
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Speaker 10: or so because of how it is negotiated. But to

583
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Speaker 10: the extent you're interested in these things and you're concerned

584
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Speaker 10: about a business, you know, private equity firms rarely advertise

585
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Speaker 10: their ownership. So what you should do is google the

586
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Speaker 10: company name and just add private equity and see what

587
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Speaker 10: comes up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, chances are it's almost like what industries aren't they

589
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Speaker 2: involved in? It might be an easier question. Yeah, it's like, oh, yeah,

590
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Speaker 2: they're not behind the push for medicare for all. I'll

591
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Speaker 2: tell you that they don't have they don't have a

592
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Speaker 2: dog in that fight unless it's on the other side

593
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Speaker 2: of it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think they're active on that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, how do you talk about it? Like, I've there's

597
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Speaker 1: been in a couple of social settings since reading your

598
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Speaker 1: book and just been like, yeah, it's crazy, but like

599
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Speaker 1: unable to like really fully you know, put into words,

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Speaker 1: because it's the problems like so big and so cute.

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Speaker 1: But like, how do you usually introduce the idea of

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Speaker 1: your book to people, Like when you're just like talking

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Speaker 1: to them at a cocktail party or something.

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Speaker 10: I always explain the basic business model, and I say

605
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Speaker 10: that private equity is going to transform the country in

606
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Speaker 10: this decade the way that big tech did in the

607
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Speaker 10: last decade and subprime lenders did in the decade before that.

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Speaker 10: And I say, what, the three basic problems are short termism,

609
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Speaker 10: a lot of dead and fees, and insulation from liability.

610
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Speaker 10: And if we can fix those three things, we can

611
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Speaker 10: basically solve the problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of another thing I want to time

614
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Speaker 2: solving the problem because again, a lot of the times

615
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: it's easy to fall into the nihilism of being like,

616
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: well this is it, Like I don't know, like I

617
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 2: don't even know, we don't even know who to sue.

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Speaker 2: You've talked about how like again, activists have helped to

619
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Speaker 2: like you know, offset or alleviate the cost of like

620
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Speaker 2: phone calls from prisons, you know, like actually have made

621
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Speaker 2: headway there, and like that's a victory. What are some

622
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Speaker 2: other like is what are some other specific areas where

623
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Speaker 2: we are seeing some bit of the climing back of

624
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Speaker 2: the fuckery as it were.

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Speaker 10: So I think the prison area is really encouraging. So,

626
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Speaker 10: you know, private equity firms bought up prison phone companies,

627
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Speaker 10: started charging extremely high rates for these short, fifteen minute calls.

628
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Speaker 10: This was a many year effort to sort of make

629
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Speaker 10: progress here. Ultimately, you know, they were able. Activists were

630
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Speaker 10: able to get legislation passed in cities New York and

631
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Speaker 10: San Francisco capping rates for phone calls, then passed state

632
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 10: legislation in Connecticut, and ultimately pass federal legislation. So they

633
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 10: were really really effective working on this specific issue. Beyond that,

634
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 10: there's been really good work on for instance, you know,

635
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 10: we were talking about nursing homes. There's rulemaking going on

636
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Speaker 10: right now at the Department of Health and Human Services

637
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 10: to try to establish national standards from minimum staffing criteria

638
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 10: for nursing homes, which will be absolutely transformative. So I

639
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 10: think when activists have chosen really specific issues where the

640
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 10: effect on people is clear, I actually think that they've

641
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 10: been really successful. You know, private equity firms have the money,

642
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 10: but activists have the people on their side, and I

643
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 10: think they've shown that they've been actually able to get.

644
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Speaker 3: A lot done.

645
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Speaker 2: Right. So rather than being like when you're going to

646
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Speaker 2: pass the down with private equity bill, it's like about

647
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Speaker 2: kind of getting a little more specific in a way

648
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Speaker 2: that connects to people. Because again, like like we're saying

649
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Speaker 2: at the top, just saying the word it becomes nebulous

650
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Speaker 2: and abstract and I'm like, I don't even know I

651
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: had to name, yeah, versus shouldn't there be a number,

652
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Speaker 2: like a minimum number of staff in a nursing home

653
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Speaker 2: so someone doesn't like like needlessly lose.

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Speaker 5: Their life and be like yeah, yeah, yeah, yah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: That part. But then again is there is there is

656
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Speaker 2: there a similar thing that gets at the accountability part,

657
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Speaker 2: because I think that's the part that really like frustrates

658
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Speaker 2: me is how easily they can walk and hide behind

659
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Speaker 2: being like I don't know, I don't own it. I

660
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Speaker 2: just tell these funds what to do in the mathain

661
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Speaker 2: that that's that's where it ends. So I don't know

662
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: where the buck stops. What are is there? Like where

663
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: can people put their energy in terms of like finding

664
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Speaker 2: that part out or at least making that augmenting that

665
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Speaker 2: movement a bit.

666
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Speaker 10: Yeah, No, I think that's a really good question. And

667
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 10: you know, you're talking about private equity being a boring term,

668
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 10: like they're we're going to make it even more boring.

669
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Speaker 10: A lot of the leading firms now I don't even

670
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Speaker 10: call themselves private equity firms anymore. There are alternative asset managers,

671
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Speaker 10: so be on the lookout for those.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

673
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Speaker 10: Yeah, so interesting.

674
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Speaker 2: So what is it where like it wears flannel and

675
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: has a nosering and like has dock Martins, Like yeah,

676
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: like the alternative rock movement, but all.

677
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Speaker 10: Asset management actually sort of inheriting a grunge style on

678
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 10: fund just kind of like being an all band in

679
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 10: the nineties exactly. So they you know, in terms of

680
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 10: sort of the deeper sort of accountability issues Obviously, Congress

681
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 10: is one sort of avenue, and there's important legislation, you know,

682
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Speaker 10: sort of being proposed there. But I actually think that

683
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 10: there are a lot of levers of power here, whether

684
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Speaker 10: you're talking about federal regulators like the SEC, Treasury, Fed,

685
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 10: and so forth, but also states and localities. You know,

686
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 10: we're talking about some of these tactics that I think

687
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Speaker 10: can be harmful for companies in the long term, you know,

688
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 10: sale lease backs, dividend recapitalizations. States could just simply say,

689
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Speaker 10: you know, we're going to legislate to say, if the

690
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 10: company's headquartered in our district, you know, in our jurisdiction,

691
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 10: you can't do some of these tactics, or if you

692
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 10: do them and the company goes bankrupt, the workers are

693
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 10: going to get paid first. And I actually think that

694
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Speaker 10: there really is interest at the state level on this.

695
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Speaker 10: But we've got to you know, folks need to draft

696
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Speaker 10: up the legislation and there needs to be the push

697
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Speaker 10: for it. I think that's where the real change is

698
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 10: going to happen in the next few years.

699
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Speaker 1: Towards the end of your book, you talk about different

700
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Speaker 1: scenarios that the country could take, and some people financially

701
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: think it's like Japan and the eighties and nineties, like

702
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: heading for a financial fall, and some people think it's

703
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: like whymar Germany, and but you kind of say, there's

704
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Speaker 1: also this hopeful possibility that it's like America at the

705
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Speaker 1: turn of the twenty, like nineteen oh three, and you know,

706
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Speaker 1: emphasize that we generally today don't recognize how bad it

707
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Speaker 1: was at that time and how like incremental the changes were.

708
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Speaker 1: We just see, oh, in the early twentieth century, the

709
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: New Deal happened, so must have been must have been good.

710
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Speaker 1: There were Gatsby parties, and then the New Deal came

711
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Speaker 1: through in response to how lavish the Gatsby parties were.

712
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Speaker 1: But it was generations of people working on very specific changes, right,

713
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Speaker 1: that got us out out of that very similar situation

714
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Speaker 1: where it was just unregulated capital running roughshot over the country.

715
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Speaker 10: Yeah, the Gilded Age worked wonderfully for a select few people,

716
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 10: but was a miserrating for you know, so many. Whether

717
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 10: it was the movement to stop the labor movement to

718
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 10: use the antitrust laws to actually break up labor unions

719
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Speaker 10: but protect monopolies, the movement actually to rescind suffrage for

720
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Speaker 10: working class people in New York and the institution of

721
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 10: Jim Crow in the South that.

722
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Speaker 1: Was endorsed by the New York Times.

723
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Speaker 10: I think you said, right, yeah, yeah, the New York

724
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 10: Times endorsed, yeah, rescinding suffrage for I think working class

725
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 10: white men and so but you know, in some ways

726
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 10: it was it was a politics or an economy that's

727
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 10: very similar to ours. The trusts of the early twentieth

728
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 10: century legally are very similar to how private equity firms work.

729
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Speaker 10: And a century ago we managed to constrain the trust

730
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Speaker 10: you know, we created the first you know, you know,

731
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Speaker 10: the most robust anti trust laws. We created the Federal

732
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Speaker 10: Trade Commission. We passed labor laws, environmental laws, passed women's

733
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Speaker 10: suffrage and so forth. It was a time that was

734
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Speaker 10: really really transformative for the country and ultimately, you know,

735
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Speaker 10: sort of set the stage for sort of the greatest

736
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Speaker 10: moment in American middle class history, you know, the nineteen

737
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Speaker 10: forties and fifties. And so if we've done it once,

738
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 10: we can do it again. We just need to have

739
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Speaker 10: the patience and the will to do.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, yeah, and a way to offset all the

741
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 2: lobbying efforts, which I'm sure if the state starts saying

742
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: things like, yeah, we're thinking about enacting some laws that

743
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: would really constrain private equity. You're just going to start

744
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: seeing as like, don't vote for this because we're going

745
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: to leave your state and you're going to be broke,

746
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: so don't even think about it, and then off we go.

747
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: Then I think part of that is for people to

748
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: really understand the threat that this sort of untethered greed

749
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: operates and how it affects us in ways that are

750
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: just so tangible, but yet we think are like again,

751
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: like for me, I was like, there's just so nebulous.

752
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's just part of this vast thing of

753
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: all the money moving in one direction versus also very

754
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: specific groups of people looking at it in this way,

755
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: and we're just sort of experiencing the lack of investment

756
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: on the other side. I wonder how many triangle shirtwaist

757
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: fires it'll take for us to wake up out of

758
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: this one, because I feel like we're averaging like one

759
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Speaker 2: a day.

760
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's really interesting. I mean you sort of

761
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 10: look at the number of legal tragedies that are happening

762
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 10: in private equity portfolio companies, and yet the private equity

763
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 10: firms you know, are rarely held accountable. I will say

764
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Speaker 10: just you know, as a as a workaday, you know, bureaucrat,

765
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Speaker 10: I will say that, don't underestimate your power and influence

766
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 10: as a person outside of government. People inside a government

767
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 10: listen to complaints and you know, if you're saying this

768
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 10: is a broken system, this is not working, it really

769
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 10: empowers people in a bureaucracy to try it, you know,

770
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Speaker 10: who want to do the right thing, to feel like

771
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Speaker 10: they've got people on their side. So I felt that personally.

772
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 10: I know others people do do too, So I know

773
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 10: that can be a somewhat frustrating thing to hear, but

774
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 10: it really does make a difference for folks.

775
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Speaker 1: And yeah, just not having it happen quietly and visibly

776
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: like that when you just tell this story, it is

777
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: the sort of story that people respond to. It is

778
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: an all out war being waged on the lives of

779
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: people who aren't extremely wealthy by people who are extremely,

780
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: extremely wealthy. Like it's just it is that simple. It's

781
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: they they are taking away comforts and you know, things

782
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: that people rely on and getting rich.

783
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: Off of it.

784
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty straightforward, and I'm glad you told this

785
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: story in your book. I'm hoping more more and more

786
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: people kind of continue to tell it. So and thanks

787
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: for coming on and talking less about it.

788
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: And yeah, I got to say, normally I don't talk

789
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: to the Feds, but this has been fantastic.

790
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Speaker 10: Well, thank you guys so much for the time. I

791
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 10: really appreciate it.

792
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, where can people well, ca you remind us the

793
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: name of the book and where people can read it

794
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: and that good stuff.

795
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 10: It's plunder private equities, plans to pillage America and you

796
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 10: can buy it anywhere you might buy a.

797
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: Book, perfect or Barnes and Noble also private equity, I

798
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: think they might have been.

799
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Brendan Blue, thanks for coming on.

800
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Speaker 10: Appreciate it, Thank you so much.

801
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: All Right, that was.

802
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: Our interview with Brendan Man. I learned a lot from

803
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: this book. I feel like, you know how, when I

804
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: read a New Yorker article, I'll like reference it at

805
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: least five times over the course of the next week,

806
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: like this is it's own for fore you hos, Like

807
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: this is all I'm going to be referencing from now on.

808
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: Wait, so is this going to push out cold gas

809
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: study Havana syndrome?

810
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Speaker 1: So those are just the those are the keepers, those

811
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: are the ones that.

812
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: Those are like that try you and God of your mind.

813
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, those will not be usurped. But yeah, again,

814
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: I think it's it's so helpful to like be able

815
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: to be like that's why these certain things got shitty, yeah.

816
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: You know, or like again like toy store. The toy

817
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: store really fucking did it for me. Man. That was

818
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: the one where I was like, oh, yeah, there's no

819
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: reason there shouldn't be Like kids still, yeah, I can

820
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: speak kids really still fucking like toys, I can tell

821
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: you that much. Now we just have the toy section

822
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: of Target and there are no toy stores. And I

823
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 1: remember at the end of the Toys r us run

824
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: like going to Toys r Us to like for a

825
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: kid's birthday party, get get a toy, and it was

826
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: just wildly understaffed and it looked and like it looked

827
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: like Sears did when it was going out of business,

828
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, like they're the floors are kind of torn up,

829
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: like think they're just like boxes of like palettes laying

830
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: around because they just are totally understaffed. And it makes

831
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: total sense that they just you know.

832
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Privact that these workers are lazy, right exactly, which is

833
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: what I was yelling. But you know what, but that

834
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: is the kind of shit older people was saying. Of course,

835
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: they were like, I don't know what the hell happened here?

836
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: These people are so lazy. And then you're like, no,

837
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: it's being like sucked the life sucked out of it

838
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: from the inside financially, and what you're seeing is like

839
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: the husk of a once operating business.

840
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the fact that this is like

841
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: like a an epidemic that is across the entire economy,

842
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: like more people are being asked to do more work

843
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: or fewer people are being asked to do more work,

844
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: like just everywhere, and so yeah, everybody's going to be

845
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: like immiserated, as you know, like I think he used

846
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: that word. And really, you know, both on the customer

847
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: side and on the employee side, these companies absolutely spread

848
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: misery as part of their business model. Yeah, and become

849
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: the billionaires.

850
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: That's the wild part too, is like you get you know,

851
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: we talk about all the time how like human life

852
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: gets reduced to like a number figure on a spreadsheet. Yeah,

853
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: that's truly how these people are looking at it. When

854
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: you have only guys who have finance brain being like, yeah, yeah,

855
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: I can help operate a healthcare provider. Watch this, snip

856
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: snip snip, and then you know, we just continue to

857
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: talk about the the ongoing movement of privatization and how that's.

858
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: Only going to lead to fucking disaster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

860
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Speaker 2: It also made me realize too, like when I was

861
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: lobbying for for profit colleges, like how like.

862
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: A for profit college section is really wild.

863
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Speaker 2: I mean, that was the thing that helped loosen my

864
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: brain to be like I don't I can't be doing this,

865
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: Like I can't be consulting like this at all. But

866
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: then really, even then, the private equity part was a

867
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: little bit abstract to me, like I was only.

868
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: Just the company levels the company.

869
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, I'm stupid and that's easy to

870
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: say now.

871
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: But we yeah, we're we're all part of this system

872
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: that has just been attacked invisibly. And this is the

873
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: first time I've just seen somebody say it out let,

874
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, in print, just be like, this is the company,

875
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: this is what they're doing. It is like the most

876
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: deeply anti I don't know, it's just it's it's so

877
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: clear cut. It just seems wild that nobody said it

878
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: out loud up to this point. Yeah, people probably have been.

879
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: It's wild that I haven't read it to this point,

880
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: and it's probably because the phrase private equity made my

881
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: brain go to sleep.

882
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: I also blame the New Yorker from not making a

883
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: cartoon about it.

884
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: Thank you.

885
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: Understand, all right, we're gonna take one more break.

886
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: We're going to come back and hear from a reader

887
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: who has some job experience that is somewhat related to this.

888
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: It seems like it's operating the same principles.

889
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: With one the industries we're just talking about.

890
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be right back, and we're back. And the

891
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: uns annual World Drug Report, which I hadn't been paying

892
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: attention to but now will anticipate every year when it

893
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: comes out, was released. The biggest mover this year. You

894
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: guessed it, folks, It's cocaine the charts.

895
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess. Traditionally the main markets

896
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: were North America, Western Central Europe. Now in this report,

897
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: they're like it's fucking everywhere now, like it's people are

898
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: starting to use it more in Africa, Southeast Asia, Southeastern Europe.

899
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: Use is at an all time high, like sometimes they

900
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: would see like it EBB and flow. Now they're just

901
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: like it's all upward arrows, consumption's up, productions up, and

902
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: it's it's the eighties. Baby, there's cocaine everywhere, And I

903
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: guess traditionally no, I'm sorry, Like, even though production has

904
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: at an all time high, they're also saying seizures are

905
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: actually outpacing production. So you know, mark one up for

906
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: the drug war. But yeah, apparently this has only led

907
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: the like to like the drug traffickers to go next

908
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 2: level with the chemistry. Now. In my mind, the last

909
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: time I was like watching drug documentaries, it was like

910
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: probably about like like eighties or nineties, where people just

911
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: like smuggling them in little chotchkeis and stuff, or like

912
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: on a janky submarine. But they've stepped the game up.

913
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: Traffickers are now quote increasingly smuggling cocaine based by dissolving

914
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: it into plastic and charcoal objects because it's much harder

915
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: to detect. Then they set up super labs in Europe

916
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: where they extract the cocaine base out of those materials

917
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: and turn it into powder.

918
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: I feel like this is going to be huge for

919
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: pusha T's next album, like he has so much material

920
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: to work with. Oh yeah, like we are into charlastic

921
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: and charcoal objects.

922
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: Right, Scanners, X rays and canines usually can't detect cocaine

923
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: that's been muggled in this manner. And they said that

924
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: there are clandestine chemists can use certain chemicals to quote

925
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: lock the cocaine into the carrier products, making it impossible

926
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: to retrieve the drug without knowing which chemical to use.

927
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 4: Wow, I was whoa, Yeah, I mean this is this

928
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: is like my Cheach and Chong made their whole van

929
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 4: out of the weed.

930
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: Right, can't arrest us if the.

931
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: Nice try ass sole this whole van's weed, let us go.

932
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's again, this is just like

933
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: some next level trafficking thing I didn't realize, But yeah,

934
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it the the use of cocaine is

935
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: I feel like like where was I recently? I was

936
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: traveling somewhere and like people were talking about cocaine in

937
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: a way that I was like, what the fuck? Like

938
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: in my mind, cocaine users were like city folk, right,

939
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: just getting off a break from you know, the trading

940
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: floor at Wall Street, and now it's in all the

941
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: corners of the earth.

942
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy when you're like checking out at the

943
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: gas station is like, you're do you want some cocaine

944
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: or do you have any cocaine that I could I

945
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: noticed you seem to be from the city.

946
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 4: Right right, right, So they put all like they got

947
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 4: scientists working on you know, it's breaking bad, and they

948
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: got like, you know, they're they're spending weeks, you know,

949
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 4: putting all the formulas together. And then they have a

950
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 4: secret formula you know that turns it into a plastic bottle.

951
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: And then you've got to have a secret formula that

952
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: turns it back into And then as soon as it

953
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: get gets into some dealer's hand, he's like, why didn't

954
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 4: I shake a little baby potter in here?

955
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: Right right?

956
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: It's a little fentanyl, and like it seems.

957
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: Like just like some laxative, it all works.

958
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get some pencil shavings.

959
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: The real question is where do these chemists get all

960
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: the energy to come up with this stuff?

961
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what what's the arc of that chemist?

962
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: Too?

963
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Like is like a chemist who is super promising. And

964
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: then it's like, I also got a bad coke problem, man,

965
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna switch gears. A start works

966
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: for them.

967
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Yet work and uh yeah, yeah by joining my drug dealer. Yeah,

968
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it makes sense overall, given like

969
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with, you know, giving what we in

970
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: our special Interview Expert episode yesterday, like what private equity

971
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: is doing, where they're just like taking over every business

972
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: in the country and cutting staffing so that everybody just

973
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: has to work like twice as hard. It makes sense

974
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: that the drug of the moment would be something that

975
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: gives people the energy to keep up with this.

976
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: Shit as we all just become like husks of a

977
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: human existence and it's like, ohout this for a little animation.

978
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's back.

979
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: In a big way, folks, big way.

980
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 4: So you know that ventanyl is the leading cause of

981
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: death for men between eighteen and forty nine.

982
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: Leading lead big That's incredible.

983
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: That's horrible. Yeah, I mean that's the other thing that

984
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: fucking like this story, Like a lot of people I've

985
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: known people who died from trying to do cocaine and

986
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: they're being fentanyl in it. Like that's happening a lot now.

987
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I think also like to your point

988
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: about we've talked about like just deaths of despair, that's

989
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: like a whole category of death that like we're not

990
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: actually reckoning with. And yeah, just again like adding to

991
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: this feeling of oh, societies creeping into like this weird

992
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: like stop in a weird way. But you know when

993
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: you look at the like again, I hate to keep

994
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: talking about private equity, but like when you think about

995
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: how much job loss and access to wealth or things

996
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: that are cut off from these kinds of like business

997
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: moves and the effects it has on people, especially people

998
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: who like you know, like need to work to survive.

999
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: All adding to like this this background hum of.

1000
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: Like, but what about the teenagers? Guys? How do the

1001
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: young teenagers keep up in this world if they don't

1002
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: have access to co ok? How are they to keep

1003
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: up in this world where private equity is?

1004
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: Are you?

1005
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: I am? Uh? Well, there's that, but what if you

1006
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: can't get access There is a shortage of that. And

1007
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: that's where my good friend Logan Paul comes in. I

1008
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: want to tell you guys about Prime Oh God. Prime

1009
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: Hydration is a beverage that Logan Paul launched last year

1010
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: with Ksi and other YouTuber and it became like the

1011
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: tickle me Elmo of last year, like it was just

1012
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: there weren't enough of it, and people were there were

1013
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: there are reports of people having a bottle, keeping the

1014
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: empty bottle and then like charging people one hundred dollars

1015
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: to take a picture with the empty bottle for social

1016
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: media purposes because you just like couldn't get access to

1017
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: the drink. The so dystopian for sure, it's the drink

1018
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: has the legally, I have to think this is the

1019
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: maximum legal amount of caffeine that you can put in

1020
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: something two hundred milligrams of caffeine. That seems to be

1021
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: where every like highly caffeinated drink or product max is

1022
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: out at at two hundred milligrams. But that is what

1023
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: they're giving children in like kind of small doses.

1024
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: I know you're the like the caffeine fact God, what

1025
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: how does that rank? Because I like every time we

1026
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: talk about caffeinated drinks, I was like, how many milligrams?

1027
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: Because you have an idea, what like what's a celsius?

1028
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Is the other one that is maxed out at two

1029
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: hundred hundred? Nothing has more than two hundred as far

1030
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: as I know, And even like caffeine pills have two

1031
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: hundred milligrams?

1032
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: What's a coca cola.

1033
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: Got uh, Coca cola is like in the thirties usually

1034
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: I think called forties. I think diet coke is in

1035
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: the sixties and and even and like Mountain Dew. I

1036
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: don't think it even cracks a hundred. But yeah, these.

1037
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: Are twice as much as Red Bull.

1038
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, it's cool.

1039
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: Have you seen the videos though, where people like to

1040
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: your point about how like it's become the most sought

1041
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: after thing, Like people are stunting on TikTok with how

1042
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: much fucking like Prime they have in their fridge. No, yes,

1043
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: like this kind of shit. Peop were like, well, what's

1044
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: in my fridge? All Prime bro Like it.

1045
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 11: Looks like for my grab and goes for my kids

1046
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 11: if they don't have time to make a protein drink

1047
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 11: or an electrolyte drink before they leave for their practices

1048
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 11: for their sports they play. I like these Prime drinks

1049
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 11: because if you look at they don't have any artificial colors.

1050
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 11: They're naturally flavored. They have bcaa's, they also have electrolytes

1051
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 11: that come from coconut water, and they only have two

1052
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 11: grams of sugar.

1053
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: But two hundred milligrams of fucking caffeine anyway. So like

1054
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: there's I've seen so many videos like this where there's

1055
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: like families being like we got the icy pop, we

1056
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: got cherry, and it's like you think people are doing

1057
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: like a money phone type thing with the amount of prime.

1058
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: Body, Yeah, this is the new money phone. It is

1059
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: just having a fucking prime.

1060
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: So this is like, uh, you know, you throw some

1061
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 4: vodka in there, some whiskey in there and heart failure, right,

1062
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 4: that's yeah.

1063
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 3: But that's like with.

1064
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: People, they don't they don't fuck with alcoholic beverages.

1065
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 3: They just they got all the good pills. You're right, Yeah,

1066
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: they're just slamming borgs. Dude. God, young people laugh at

1067
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: us with how we try to get high.

1068
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, young, oh yeah, because they're like these motherfuckers are dead,

1069
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: like they're trying to die. Like look at how they

1070
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 2: partied in the fucking I.

1071
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: Get hide through this weird music I listened.

1072
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: To right, Like, I don't get high if my headphones

1073
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: run out of batteries. That's when I'm in a bad way.

1074
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: You've got the fucking shakes.

1075
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 3: I get high from getting my friend's pronouns.

1076
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: Right, thank you boom, thank you, sir, you honor You're welcome.

1077
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: I nailed you both.

1078
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: So I mean you you are count on teenagers to

1079
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: consume like one of these a day, which I just

1080
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: can't imagine that's going to happen. And there's all sorts

1081
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: of laws in place, or like that, people have tried

1082
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: to put laws in place, like in twenty seventeen in

1083
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: South Carolina, a teenager died due to caffeine induced cardiac event,

1084
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: causing a probable arrhythmia. Countries like Lithuania and Latvia already

1085
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: have active bands on energy drinks that have this much

1086
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: caffeine in him. But here in the US, back in

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00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, the FDA attempted to crack down on caffeine

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00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: and soda, but the soda companies, who you might recognize

1089
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: as having a little bit more money than the FDA,

1090
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: argued caffeine wasn't actually a psychoactive drug and therefore subject

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00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: to regulation. Rather, caffeine is a flavor enhancer. I'm a

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00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: tell me what exactly does caffeine taste?

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00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 3: Like? Yeah?

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00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: Like, is there some like a soda semelia who was

1095
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: like hm, oh wow, finishes very strongly with caffeine like

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00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: they did, they were they even able to say like

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00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: it enhances this flavor. They're just saying, No, it's it's

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Speaker 2: in the category of flavor. Answer.

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00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just lying. I think.

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00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Surge had sixty eight by the way.

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty eight not even shit, that's more than this

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00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 1: one says more than Mountain Dew. Yeah, I think Mountain

1103
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: Dew has crept up into the seventies. But I could

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00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: be wrong.

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is fifty four, but I don't know. I

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00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: just got two different numbers for Surge also, so I

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00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 3: don't know.

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00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: It's hard to know.

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00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: Is a Caffeine Informer that's the that's my go to?

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00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: No, I'm using that's my website.

1111
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: Google Google, Okay, yeah, csp i net. But anyway, you

1112
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: have to get an annual subscription to Caffeine Informer to

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00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: really know that for sure.

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00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: No, I had my dad's log in. Okay.

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00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: But so stimulant medication with caffeine has to include warnings.

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 1: But energy drinks, which have far more caffeine, are somehow

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00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: free to market themselves with no warnings at all, or

1118
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 1: were for a long time. I think that might be changing.

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00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: A Senate investigation began looking into these drinks and specifically

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00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: how they market their products to teenagers like Monster and

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 1: rock Star, and decided that their products were actually foods,

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00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: not dietary supplements after all. Oh okay, so Prime didn't

1123
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: originate the problem. But it's like really at the outer

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: limits of how much caffeine you can put it in

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00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: a product and how much you can market yourself to teenagers.

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: They're doing that too, So like when kids drink it,

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00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, this sheep is fucking hit, you know

1128
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: what I mean, Because like, as you have access to

1129
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: like Red Bull or fucking Monster and shit, but then

1130
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: you come through with something with twice that the thing.

1131
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: It feels like the intention is to also to get

1132
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: the consumers to talk about how this new fucking bag

1133
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: is just hidden Oh of course, yeah.

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00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're not getting it and just drinking one

1135
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 4: right like you're probably gonna like try to, you know,

1136
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 4: to get somewhere.

1137
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: To get somewhere.

1138
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: Man, I want full personality change. I want to have

1139
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: a different personality after I'm done.

1140
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: Drink that I'm on fentanyl. It's wild.

1141
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: It's like it's just yesterday. KSI and Logan Paul were

1142
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: in like Copenhagen promoting the drink and a lot of

1143
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 2: people suspect it may have been like set up kind

1144
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: of marketing because a bunch of like their fans just

1145
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: started throwing Prime at them. Oh wow, like like they

1146
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: were getting doused with it, and like even on TMZ

1147
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: they're like like who knows about historyonics like and it

1148
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: could just be a very clever way to get us

1149
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: talking about this because here we are. It was kind

1150
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: of the literal like what was written in the article.

1151
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but yeah, they it's fucking everywhere

1152
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: like Europe, it's really popular. They KSI is like a

1153
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 2: huge Arsenal fan and somehow Arsenal got them, Like there's

1154
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: like Prime branding around the football club and.

1155
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is fucking bad, dude.

1156
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: It truly seems like just taking a like no dose

1157
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: caffeine pill and water but with branding added on to it.

1158
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Right, tell me if you think this is real. This

1159
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: is them at their Prime tour and they're getting somehow

1160
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: suddenly the crowd turns on them. They're getting doused, but

1161
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: everyone's like laughing, like the security is even like all right,

1162
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: that was a good bit. I know, nothing bad is

1163
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: actually happening.

1164
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't bring European Security and on your bits.

1165
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: Come on, it's hard to connect with your like idols,

1166
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: and sometimes the only thing you can do because the

1167
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: distance is just hit them with something and then be

1168
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 3: like me and Loug and Paul hung out today.

1169
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah we had a laugh. Yeah, been a nice little Yeah.

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00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: Wow. People keep throwing it at them. There's like multiple

1171
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: things I wouldn't prime. Just turns people into fucking animals.

1172
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: And they're like, do you.

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01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 4: Know anything like you give the fans on like whatever

1174
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 4: day at the ballpark is gonna end up on the field,

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01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 4: on the field, Yeah, yeah, this is a bobblehead, right yeah,

1176
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 4: right right, because that that'll end up on eBay.

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: It's it's weird how like you can go to Dodger

1179
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: gaming like if it's if it's a bad night, these

1180
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: are going on the field. Other things You're like, they're

1181
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: never throwing bobbleheads.

1182
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: The snowstorm of inflatable bets.

1183
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1184
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 4: Oh, speaking of dropping your baby, I didn't at Dodger Stadium,

1185
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 4: but I regret it because I had this moment. I

1186
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 4: had a Sports Center moment and I failed.

1187
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: Oh to like catch a fly ball.

1188
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: I had my baby in my arms. Yeah.

1189
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 4: The fly ball came directly towards me. Yeah, I put

1190
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 4: out my right hand. It hit me in the palm

1191
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 4: and I dropped it. If i'd had two hands catch.

1192
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 2: And you told your you told your son that, right.

1193
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: I will.

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 4: I'm waiting until can understand me, but I'm gonna fucking

1195
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: ream him out. So the ball dropped and I went

1196
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 4: for it, but some lady scooped it up beforehand. Again,

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01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: I still have the kid in my arms. So then

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01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 4: the lady heard my story. Kids first baseball get yeah,

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01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 4: gave us, gave us the ball as good of a

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01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 4: story as it could be.

1201
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: That doesn't you know that doesn't that doesn't make you

1202
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: a man, right because you should have You would have

1203
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: caught that ship.

1204
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: I don't care, buddy, I mean I know. That's why

1205
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 3: I can't tell the story without like it being sad.

1206
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna you just lie to your son. What

1207
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: about this baseball? Oh you should have seen it?

1208
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: He caught it?

1209
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1210
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that I was gonna say. It would be

1211
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: like a hyper like extreme prime version of the like

1212
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: choose the ball or choose death scene from You know,

1213
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: you got to catch those ball, kid.

1214
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 4: Because it's public too. It didn't get on TV, but

1215
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: I had a friend in the stadium who saw it.

1216
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: Why that was in front of me that I just

1217
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 3: found out about two days ago.

1218
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: There must have been a collective like holding of breath

1219
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: when people saw a foul ball speeding at you while

1220
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: you were holding a baby, right, Like, was there a.

1221
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 3: D to gauge?

1222
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1223
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like yeah, they were all relieved when I

1224
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: just dropped it.

1225
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah good, Well that's you would have been the wrong

1226
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: kind of on Sports Center if you had chosen otherwise. Yeah,

1227
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: I would have made it to the real I commend you. Yeah,

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01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show.

1230
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 10: If you like.

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Speaker 1: The show means the world to Miles. He he needs

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Speaker 1: your validation.

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Speaker 3: Folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: talk to youm Monday.

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Speaker 10: By singing