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Speaker 1: And we welcome you in two, Episode seven of The

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs alongside Andrew Dribble. Coming up on the

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Speaker 1: program Program Today, Mark Scofield from USA Today and Touchdown

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Speaker 1: Wire will join us, and The z will join us.

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Speaker 1: Nathan's The Girl will be back as we rerank our

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Speaker 1: top ten positions of need. Now that we are over

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Speaker 1: a week in the NFL free agency, Gribbs first and

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Speaker 1: foremost time to take a look at the hit list

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Speaker 1: in the top. Story is making news as it pertains

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Speaker 1: to the draft, and the biggest one the NFL announcing

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Speaker 1: fit there. Um, some of the other Edges could be

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Speaker 1: fits there. So if you look at those positions, those

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Speaker 1: might be scenarios where you know, you might see a

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Speaker 1: player come off the board that the Browns might targeted

436
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Speaker 1: at six. Would the Cleveland think about getting up ahead

437
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Speaker 1: of those teams? Maybe? Um, But that's those are two

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Speaker 1: teams to watch there. If you're thinking about cornerback the

439
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Speaker 1: Jets at twenty three, you know, I look at that

440
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Speaker 1: Jets secondary room, and if Cleveland's thinking perhaps corner, you know,

441
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Speaker 1: those that might be a team there at twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I've had them looking at, say Greg Newsom from Northwestern,

443
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Speaker 1: who's getting a little buzz this draft cycle. As we

444
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Speaker 1: get closer to the draft, that might be a team

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Speaker 1: to watch. If Cleveland is perhaps thinking about adding another

446
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Speaker 1: piece at corner, you know, the Jets of twenty three

447
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Speaker 1: will be a team there. Mark, appreciate the time, fantastic stuff.

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Speaker 1: We love having you on and appreciate all of the

449
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Speaker 1: insight and and love reading your stuff at Touchdown Wire

450
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Speaker 1: and wishing you all the best. And I'm sure we'll

451
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Speaker 1: be talking with you soon. And take care and buckle

452
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Speaker 1: up because I don't know how this is gonna go

453
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Speaker 1: here over the next with all these quarterbacks and wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: Just keep taking all those guys, because then, yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Broads fan, you want Mac Jones coming

456
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Speaker 1: off the board at twelve, You want some ready to

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Speaker 1: fall in love with Kyle Trask. I mean, you get

458
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Speaker 1: five six quarterbacks of the top twenty of this draft,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's gonna have one heck of a player falls to

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Speaker 1: them with twenty six. So thanks so much for having me,

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Speaker 1: guys and how to Blast. Thanks to Mark Scofield from

462
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Speaker 1: USA Today and Touchdown Wire for giving us a few

463
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Speaker 1: minutes of his time breaking down free agency and putting

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Speaker 1: out his latest mock draft. Talking about his latest mock draft.

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Speaker 1: Post free agency, we move on. We welcome in Zagura

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Speaker 1: into the hot seat. Clooney back on the Thursday. Good morning, sir,

467
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Speaker 1: Good morning. A couple of weeks ago, I gave you

468
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Speaker 1: guys the task of coming up with ranking the top

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Speaker 1: ten positions of need. This was going into free agency.

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Speaker 1: Clearly a lot has happened since then. We are going

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Speaker 1: to go back through and re rank. Now that the

472
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Speaker 1: bulk of free agency is in the rear view mirror,

473
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Speaker 1: there's still a lot that can happen. There's trades that

474
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Speaker 1: can happen, and of course the draft is yet to come.

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Speaker 1: So what are the Browns biggest needs? Now that free

476
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Speaker 1: agency is starting to wind down here a little bit,

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Speaker 1: we will rank them. We will start with Zagura. I

478
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Speaker 1: wanted to only do eight because the quarterback running back.

479
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Speaker 1: We're safe, We're good, things are good. Zagura wants to overachieve.

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Speaker 1: We'll stay with the top ten Zagura number ten in

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Speaker 1: terms of the Brown's most important need remaining well. First

482
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Speaker 1: of all, First of all, we gotta have consistency. What

483
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Speaker 1: does Kevin Sefanski want out of his players? Consistency? We

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Speaker 1: did ten before, We're gonna do ten again. Consistency. It's

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Speaker 1: very important. Plus, I want you at the end to

486
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Speaker 1: tell us if anything has changed, because I don't remember

487
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Speaker 1: what we said. That was a while ago, so I'm

488
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Speaker 1: very curious to see if if anything changes in this.

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Speaker 1: So we'll go stay with consistency, and I'll also preference

490
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Speaker 1: by this. I don't think we have any needs anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have a single glaring need on

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Speaker 1: this roster anymore. I think there are things that you

493
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Speaker 1: want to buttress, things that you'd like to fortify with

494
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Speaker 1: some depth. But we can roll out exactly what we

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Speaker 1: have right now offensively defensively and feel pretty darn good

496
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Speaker 1: about it, especially our starting lineup. And that's a starting

497
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Speaker 1: lineup on defense. Now that you could run bas Nickel dime,

498
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Speaker 1: three safeties, three corners, you can do all sorts of

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Speaker 1: different things, and we're set with the starting line as

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Speaker 1: of today, which is unbelievable. The transformation that has been

501
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Speaker 1: done in two weeks now what you asked me to do.

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Speaker 1: Number ten running back, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, de Ernest Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Andy Janovitch running it back. I think we're in a

504
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Speaker 1: great spot that perhaps they draft somebody, you know, to

505
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Speaker 1: compete for that third running back and then maybe as

506
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Speaker 1: a succession plan or a number two down the road,

507
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Speaker 1: because it probably will be tough to keep Kareem and

508
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Speaker 1: Nick forever, but right now, not in need whatsoever. Gribble

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Speaker 1: number nine to you, sir, Yeah, just to add to

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Speaker 1: that really quick, do you think there's a team in

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Speaker 1: the NFL that has had the same top three running

512
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Speaker 1: backs for three straight seasons in the modern are like

513
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Speaker 1: in this like time? Like that's that's some that's that's

514
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Speaker 1: not normal to have stability at the running back position,

515
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Speaker 1: which is one of the most unstable in the entire league.

516
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Speaker 1: But I agree with that, and I'm sure Nathan agrees

517
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Speaker 1: with this number nine quarterback. You didn't need to do

518
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Speaker 1: anything in free agency with this. You're set with Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: You have one of the best backups in the league

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Speaker 1: case Keenan, who could probably start on a number of

521
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Speaker 1: teams in the NFL right now. But he's gives you

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Speaker 1: a good spot. And then maybe maybe he had some

523
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Speaker 1: competition for that number three spot in the draft or

524
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Speaker 1: undrafted free agency, we'll see, but not an area need

525
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Speaker 1: and certainly not an area the Browns needed to be

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Speaker 1: active in free agency. Any thoughts on the QB spot

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Speaker 1: before we go to number eights, Agar, No, that mean

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Speaker 1: you said at all? It's perfect all right on the

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Speaker 1: number eight for you. The most pressing need for the

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Speaker 1: Browns remaining here in number eight for me is going

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Speaker 1: to be safety. I'm gonna switch it up. Let's get

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Speaker 1: something on the defensive side of the ball here in

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Speaker 1: the bottom half of legue. And I could have gone

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Speaker 1: tight and I could have gone receiver, I could have

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Speaker 1: gone offensive line. I'm gonna go safety. The addition of

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Speaker 1: John Johnson, the third, the return of Grant Delpit, You've

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Speaker 1: got Ronnie Harrison, You've got Sheldrick RedWine, you have Javonte Moffatt,

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Speaker 1: who the team like a lot that was active for

539
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Speaker 1: a game unless you're Elijah Benton. Same thing. So you

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Speaker 1: already have six safeties here in your building, and I

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Speaker 1: think you've got the opportunity to play three of them

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Speaker 1: together at a very high level. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: that there is any need whatsoever to address that position.

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Speaker 1: Gribble agreed, disagree. I don't agree. I'm much more optimistic

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Speaker 1: on safety than I was a week ago, but I'm

546
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Speaker 1: not there. I'm not quite there yet. I think you

547
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Speaker 1: could still add via the draft, or even maybe take

548
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Speaker 1: a flyer on someone that's still available in free agency

549
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Speaker 1: that to fortify your depth even more at that position,

550
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Speaker 1: because we I would like to play with three safeties

551
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Speaker 1: no matter what, no matter if you have an injury

552
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Speaker 1: or two, so I want to be ready in that situation.

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Speaker 1: So I I think eight is probably a little too high. Low.

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Speaker 1: I forget which direction we're going with this one. I'll

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Speaker 1: go with low on that one. But number seven, if

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Speaker 1: we're going in order still, I'll go with offensive line.

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Speaker 1: I think you you only had one free agent that

558
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Speaker 1: was Kendall Lamb. He's on the Titans. Now. You brought

559
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Speaker 1: Greg Snat, who the team clearly likes. They had. They

560
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Speaker 1: brought him in as a practice quab player early last year.

561
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Speaker 1: They protected him a couple of times if you don't remember,

562
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Speaker 1: using that practice squad protection rule, ultimately lost him to

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Uh, and he was a special team's kind

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Speaker 1: of blocker for them last year. So he's gonna be

565
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Speaker 1: your potent. He's going to compete for that swing tackle job.

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Speaker 1: You're hoping that Chris Howperd comes back, but you bring

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Speaker 1: him back the entire starting line offensive line that was

568
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Speaker 1: the best offensive line in the NFL last year. I

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Speaker 1: think you're pretty good there. Let's see if they maybe

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Speaker 1: add another tackle prospect in the draft, but otherwise you're

571
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Speaker 1: looking pretty good. Safety, by the way, was one of

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Speaker 1: the top four needs. Yeah, and then we got running

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Speaker 1: free agency. Not a need anymore. Yeah, maybe we need

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Speaker 1: a little We got six. I don't know. Gribble kind

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Speaker 1: of disagrees a little bit. I was ready to move

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Speaker 1: him down. I wasn't. I wasn't gonna move him down

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Speaker 1: that far. I just wanted to fix that. We gonna

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Speaker 1: go offensive line tight, and I think we've done some

579
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Speaker 1: things on defense that are no longer needs, and I

580
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Speaker 1: want to reflect that. I like those girl Number six

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Speaker 1: to you, sir, I'll go tight end here, even though

582
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Speaker 1: there I might I was thinking defensive tackle as well,

583
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Speaker 1: just to keep spicing it up. But I'll go tight end.

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Speaker 1: You're running back all four from last year. I mean

585
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Speaker 1: Austin Hooper, David and Joku, Harrison, Bryant, stef Arm, Steve,

586
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Speaker 1: You're you're set there. You're very good position for going

587
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Speaker 1: forward at tight end. Gribl agree, disagree, Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a tough one, honestly, between tight end

589
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Speaker 1: and offensive line. I just think that the difference is

590
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Speaker 1: if you're looking at a position group. I think the

591
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Speaker 1: offensive line group as a whole performed at an overall

592
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Speaker 1: higher level and the tight ends. The tight ends well

593
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Speaker 1: last year too. It's just a tough competition between those

594
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Speaker 1: two on to our top five. By the way, uh

595
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Speaker 1: defense occupied, I think all five of these spots. Wide

596
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: receiver was on the outside looking in. I think it

597
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Speaker 1: was at number six if my my math is correct

598
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Speaker 1: from two weeks ago. It's a list that doesn't involve math.

599
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Speaker 1: It does. There's counting, there's numbers, there's math. I am

600
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Speaker 1: not a math guy. On a number five and bole,

601
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Speaker 1: I believe I'm sticking with offense. I'll go with wide

602
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Speaker 1: receiver at number five. Just like tight end, you're basically

603
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Speaker 1: running it back. I mean, you're you've got Richard Higgins

604
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Speaker 1: back on a one year deal. Cadaro Hodge has been tendered,

605
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: so he has the opportunity to explore. But you know,

606
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Speaker 1: Odds already think he'll be back as well. And you're

607
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Speaker 1: bringing back the whole group. I thought they performed at

608
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Speaker 1: a high level. You're expecting Donovan People's jones to take

609
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Speaker 1: another step. And then you've got this draft, which I

610
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Speaker 1: think played a role in the free agency class not

611
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Speaker 1: going as as expected for these wide receivers. It's a

612
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Speaker 1: deep class, and I think you can get better via

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Speaker 1: the draft, but it's not exactly an area where you

614
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: have to be active on day one or even day two.

615
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: I think you're you're set with with two of the

616
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Speaker 1: best wide receivers in the league, hopefully back at full strength,

617
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: and uh, the key will be making it work with

618
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Speaker 1: Richard Higgins as a number three potentially. How how you

619
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Speaker 1: get him involved, how you get the other people involved.

620
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: I just think that the group is fine and then

621
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Speaker 1: we'll see how healthy they can be come July. So, girl,

622
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Speaker 1: if the Browns were to take a wide receiver in

623
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Speaker 1: the draft day one, day two, day three, well that's

624
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Speaker 1: why I was gonna disagree. I think it is still

625
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: very much on the table. At the Browns taker receiver

626
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: day one or day two, I probably want to it's possible.

627
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Speaker 1: I think it's possible. I think receiver, if you're looking

628
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Speaker 1: at it in the vacuum of the year one, you're good.

629
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Speaker 1: But if you start looking ahead and think about succession

630
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Speaker 1: planning in two, I don't think you are good. I

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Speaker 1: think you've got a ton of money tied up, You've

632
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Speaker 1: got decisions that are gonna have to be made with

633
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Speaker 1: certain players. You've got Higgins on a one year deal.

634
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Speaker 1: I think this draft, with how good it is and

635
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Speaker 1: the way that they did everything in free agency, and

636
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Speaker 1: the reason why I wouldn't to put receiver at five,

637
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Speaker 1: I would have put it up a little more is

638
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Speaker 1: because I do think it's possible that a Day two

639
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: pick ends up being a receiver. So the position that

640
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I would have put there was defensive tackle. I don't

641
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Speaker 1: think we take a tackle day one or day two,

642
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Speaker 1: because now you've got Sheldon Richardson, Billings, Malik Jackson, Alliott.

643
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: Now you could say turn that around and say, well, Nathan,

644
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: you probably need some succession planning in defense of tackle

645
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: as well. I just don't think that that type of

646
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: succession planning will ever be something that this front office

647
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: would invest a first or a second round pick it

648
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: unless it's a pass rusher extraordinaire, which I don't think

649
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: you're finding interior pass rushers at on the number four

650
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: top four Za girl will start with you. I think

651
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: I just did it. Defensive tackles. Yeah, okay, I didn't

652
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: know if I didn't know if that's that was that

653
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: rolled into it. So it was like fensive tackle, Yeah,

654
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: that was That's why where I was thinking for those

655
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: two positions. And in fact I also considered linebacker given

656
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: the number of moves and how many linebackers we now

657
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: have here. Um, but I would say defensive tackle. Yeah,

658
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: I'll put it for Gribble agree, you know I I

659
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: I do think defensive tackle is is a pretty big

660
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 1: me because I agree with Nathan's logic on you need

661
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: some succession plans there. You're going into with Andrew Billings,

662
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: who you're expecting ever a roll the team, but he

663
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: didn't play last year. Lee Jackson is is entering his

664
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: his tenth season. He's hoping for a bounce back season.

665
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: He wants to get back to the level he was

666
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: playing at a few years ago. Sheldon Richardson has been

667
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: around for for a while. I think you probably I

668
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: don't know what you could do to maybe four to

669
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: five this year's roster while also looking ahead, because you

670
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: look at it, you got your top four guys. It's

671
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: hard to fit more than four at that position on

672
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: the roster, but it's definitely a position you're gonna have

673
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 1: to start addressing UH in a big way in your future.

674
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: So I probably would have bumped them up maybe two, three,

675
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: but instead of them being three, I will put and

676
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: this is a tough one for me. I'm gonna put

677
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Corner at number three for for right now. I think

678
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: that that was because wow, so yeah, I mean I

679
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: think that corner is an area where you basically I

680
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: think you improved. You clearly improved him free agency by

681
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: getting Troy Hill, who played had an exceptional year of

682
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: slot last year. You're getting back Greedy Williams. I I

683
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: I think you're holding serve at that position. You can

684
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: always add more, but you've got two players that play

685
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: their position at a pretty elite level. And I just

686
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: think that you've got the who are those? Who are

687
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: those two players? You've got Denzil a Ward that plays

688
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: outside corner level, and I think Troy Hill, based off

689
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: last year, plays that position at a very high level.

690
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: And you've got some other players that Greedy Williams, if

691
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: he gets back to his form, can be all right.

692
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I still think at number three it's an area where

693
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: you can significantly address. And I think any of these

694
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: top three positions I think you could address in the

695
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: in the first round. So definitely a need. I just

696
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: think the other two to me are a little higher

697
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: on the list. For now. I couldn't disagree anymore. Quarterback

698
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: is the number one need of this franchise right now.

699
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: And I'll tell oh, this is the case that I'll

700
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: lay out for you. First of all, we've got six linebackers. Now,

701
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: we've got six linebackers. I think in fact, I I

702
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: know Andrew Berry and our front office likes our linebackers

703
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more than the rest of

704
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: the world. I also know that A do not think,

705
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: you know, investing a first round pick in a linebacker

706
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: or something that I think an off ball linebacker who

707
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: does not rush the passer is something that they would

708
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: be interested in. So you look at your linebacker room,

709
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: Anthony Walker Jr. You bring back Malcolm Smith, You've got

710
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: the three young guys. You've got Jacob Phillips, who I

711
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: think everybody in the organization is expecting to take a

712
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: big leap Talkie Talkie who really impressed everybody in the

713
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: organization last year. And then Mack Wilson, who has up

714
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: and down but finished with his best game against Kansas City.

715
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: And you brought back Elijah Lee, who's gonna be there

716
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: to be a linebacker, but as a special teams a.

717
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: So you've got six linebackers here already that you like.

718
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't see them making an investment. By the way,

719
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many times are gonna be more

720
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: than two linebackers on the field this season. If we're

721
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: playing three safeties a lot, somebody's got to come off,

722
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: and my guess is it's probably gonna be a linebacker

723
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: for one of these safeties. So I don't think linebacker

724
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: as of now. Like we could roll that out and

725
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: play this season and play next season and feel pretty

726
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: good about where we are. I know Walker and Smith

727
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: are on one deals, but you can figure that out

728
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: and you've got a core of three. To me, cornerback

729
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: is completely different. Denzel Ward absolutely elite he's never started

730
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: more than twelve games in a season. Greedy Williams is

731
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: coming back off of a nerve issue, didn't start last year.

732
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: Then play Troy Hill comes in. Yeah, he locks down

733
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: your slot. But who's your top outside corner backup? Is

734
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: it Troy Hill? Because if it's Troy Hill, then who

735
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: comes in the slot? M J. Stewart who had admittedly

736
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: was up and down last year, huge interception Week seventeen

737
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: and in the playoffs. And then what Robert Jackson, Brian

738
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Allen who we haven't seen, A J. Green, who was

739
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: much vally who as an undeft fridge, and maybe he

740
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: steps him up, maybe he doesn't. I don't know. I

741
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: think corner is a massive need. I there are many

742
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: famous GM quotes, how many corners do you need? One more?

743
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: And I think that we are absolutely in need of

744
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: a corner. I think we're absolutely a near need of

745
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: a good outside corner. I want to say I can

746
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: count on Greedy. I don't know that I can count

747
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: on Greed. I think if he's back, he's great. I

748
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: want to say I can count on sixteen games from

749
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: Denzel Warden. I can't, but one guy that was available

750
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: for five snaps last year. Terrence Mitchell's gone, Kevin Johnson's gone,

751
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: and all we've added. Yes, we get greedy back, we

752
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: added in Troy Hill. Of course, on paper, that's that

753
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: two for two should be an upgrade, But our depth

754
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: is not what it was a year ago. If you

755
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: think about what we went through a year ago, what

756
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: would we do? What would we do? And Tavier's gone,

757
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: who played some significant snaps for you at slack corner.

758
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: So I think that now to me, is number one

759
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: on our list. We week every other position. I feel

760
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: like we could go in and then defensive end I

761
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: want to address as well, but every other position defensively,

762
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: you can go in with starters defensive tackle, linebacker starters,

763
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: depth safety starters, depth, corner starters, defensive end starters. I

764
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: just think corner is the most important position. And it

765
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: would not shock me at all if we took a

766
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: corner in the first round. Now to me, that's where like,

767
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: that's where my eyes have shifted. Corner first round or

768
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: second for sure. And I think our first two picks

769
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: will be some combination of defensive end corner, with the

770
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: wild card being potentially a wide receiver. I want to

771
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: go back you talked about the safeties, having three safeties

772
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: possibly linebackers only needing to on the field at one time.

773
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: Can you say the same thing about defensive line and

774
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: defensive tackle because we saw a lot of three defensive

775
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: end setups. Now that's the NASCAR package on third down,

776
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: so that's a third down sub packets pass rushing group,

777
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, I do think. I think that that's very possible,

778
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: which is why when I said we're at four defensive ends,

779
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: like the most we're ever gonna have on the fields too,

780
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: unless we're in goal line and we're probably in a

781
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: lot of passing situations, gonna have one on the field.

782
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: And so although they like Mallie Jackson a lot, that

783
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: could change the way that they think about Chris Kiffin

784
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: told me that, you know, his ideal defensive line style

785
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: of play was Jacksonville two thousand seventeen, which was in

786
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: got Way. Campbell, Dante Fowler, and Malie Jackson were the

787
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: four that they had done there. So yeah, you don't.

788
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: That's why that's why I felt like you're so good

789
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle, because we're talking about two maybe one

790
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: on the field a lot of times, and which brings

791
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: to defensive end if we're if that's what you're asking

792
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: me to to talk about. But you know, the other

793
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: thing too is I do think that they feel in

794
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: a pinch if they had to that, either Grant or

795
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: John Johnson. John Johnson played the second most snaps at

796
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: slot corner last year for the Rams, that if they

797
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: needed to do something like that and kick Hill outside,

798
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: that maybe they can play a safety in the nickel

799
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: and play that style of a defense, which again is possible.

800
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: But I still think corners there, but defensive end right now, Miles,

801
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: I think Tach I don't know he talking to him.

802
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I felt I I felt it. I hope it materializes

803
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: on the field, but I felt his hunger and his passion.

804
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: There's no doubt his tape is excellent, and he's an

805
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: explosive athlete. Then you've only got Porter and you know

806
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Curtis Weaver and some guys camera malbo Joe Johnson who

807
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: appeared at various times. But we're not really there, which

808
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: is why I think defensive end. If you could find

809
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: the defensive end equivalent of a Malik Jackson right now

810
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: who wants to come in on a one year deal,

811
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: I'd feel great about it because everybody in the organization

812
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: that I've talked to, and I talked to a lot

813
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: of people this weekend. I know Gribbs did as well.

814
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: Although I think you talk more offensive side, I talk

815
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: more defensive there at Curtis Weaver is is somebody that

816
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: eyes light up when they talked about him, the way

817
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: that he's transformed his body, the kinds of questions he

818
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: asked in the meeting rooms. Now will his thirty seven

819
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: sacks that boys the state translate to the NFL. I

820
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: don't know, but what people told me is, look, if

821
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: you can sack the quarterback in high school, you sack

822
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback in college, You're gonna find a way to

823
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: sack the quarterback in the NFL. But it's a total unknown.

824
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: But I think they think he can be a guy

825
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: that in sub packet situations can't be an effective pass

826
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: rusher on the field with say Miles and Tack and

827
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: a Sheldon or a Malik at the same time. So

828
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: they do have kind of that rookie there, which is

829
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: why I said, if you can find the Malik Jackson

830
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: an equivalent, and maybe it ultimately ends up being that

831
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: Claiborne comes back on a on a smaller deal. I

832
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: don't know, but if you he's played with Tack before.

833
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: They worked well together in Atlanta, so there maybe there's

834
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: something there. But that's really more what I see in

835
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: defensive end wards at corner. I want a young stud

836
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: like I want a young stud in that room because

837
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: your best abilities, your availability, and and right now we

838
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: can't say that our corners other than Troy Hill, who's

839
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: shown the ability to play every snap, we can't. You

840
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 1: cannot guarantee right now that availability. So having a stud

841
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: like that gives you a lot of flexibility, like if J. C.

842
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: Horne were there, which I'm gonna manipulate all my mox

843
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: to get him down to twenty six, even though I

844
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible bring him in right now like

845
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: first round pick forget about. I don't know there's a

846
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: difference maker a defensive end at twenty six, but there

847
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: could be a corner. I think that could become a

848
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: real difference maker for our football team. All right, So

849
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: it was defensive end number two for you, So yeah,

850
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: so I would have gone, yeah, what did what did

851
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: I say? Was? For you? Had defensive tackle and four

852
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: corner number three. According to Gribble, so I would have

853
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: gone defensive tackle, linebacker, then defensive end corps. All right,

854
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: so we're gonna put you down for defensive end. Okay,

855
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: thank you. There. You asked me a question that was

856
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: a follow question. Do I think Gribbs is number three? Yes,

857
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: it's alright, alright, I'm not remember next it's good number

858
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: than you are, Yeah, exactly number one for you. Well,

859
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: so I'm confused now as linebacker off the border? Is

860
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: it still the only one? Line is the only one

861
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: on the board. So I don't agree with that. So

862
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: I think I think that to me when I looked

863
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: at this list there, the number one came to me

864
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: right away, and that was defensive end because I think

865
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: you look at the moves you've made in free agency,

866
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: you've had more subtraction than addition, and I think eventually

867
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: you will have the addition that's necessary, but you need

868
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: to make that addition. I think you've you've you've got

869
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Olivia Vernon is still an under understricted free agent coming

870
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: off an Achilles stare. Adrian Clayborne is not here, and

871
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: you brought intact McKinley, who you're expecting a bounce back

872
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: season from but a guy, a guy you're signing to

873
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: a one year deal. I look at now at the draft,

874
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: and it's hard to ignore those pass rushers, and it's

875
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: hard to I'm starting to formulate scenarios where I'm like,

876
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: what's gonna what could it take to maybe trade up

877
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: for about or pass rushing because you have those assets

878
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: to make the moves, Because I just think it's a

879
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: position where you obviously one of the best in the NFL,

880
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: if not the best pass rusher in the NFL at

881
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: the one defense even spot, and I get that he

882
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: is a luxury where the other side, you're most teams

883
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: are looking for that Miles Garrett, You're looking for Miles

884
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: Garrett's number two. But at the same time, I just

885
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: think you need the depth and you need some more

886
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: a future at that position. Look at I go back

887
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: to remember when the Browns played the Broncos in two

888
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen and just seeing that team having a Von Miller,

889
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett uh and who was the third guy who

890
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: was DeMarcus ware Believe Jackson and Derek Plake Jackson. I

891
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: mean that that I just think, look at that, I'm like,

892
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: that'd be awesome to have. I think that that can

893
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: really put you at another level. And I think pass

894
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: rusher in corner, they're like one a one to be

895
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: in most important defensive position. But I'm giving the edge

896
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: to pass rusher, and I just think on top of

897
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: needing potentially another starter, you definitely need depth at that position.

898
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: So that to me jumped out a little bit more

899
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: than corner as as being a top need. And I

900
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: think with linebacker you helped serve and I think you

901
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: want to be better at that position than you were

902
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: last year. You've said this team is high on the linebackers.

903
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I think they are, but you want to bring in

904
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: maybe more competition because I think they need to be better.

905
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: I think and I think everyone would agree that they

906
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: want to be better. In so to me, it's it's

907
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: still is just pass reature. I think that was my

908
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: number one going into this and it's gonna stick stay

909
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: that way. I'm I like the upside of Tack. I

910
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: think he's saying all the right things, and but I

911
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 1: think you want to get him out there and put

912
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: him in a situation where he's going to be pushed. Uh.

913
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: And I think that that could happen both through free

914
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: agency still there's still some guys out there that can

915
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: help you out there, but certainly in the draft where

916
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: like you said, out you're gonna be willing J. C.

917
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: Horns and the Browns at number twenty six, I may

918
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: be willing Gregory Rousseau a Quidty Pay. I mean maybe

919
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: bumping their stock down just to get him twenty six.

920
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: Or you do what the Steelers did a couple of

921
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: years ago. You see a defensive play or that you

922
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: like that you can maybe plug in right away. You

923
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: make the move up a few spots and go get them.

924
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I think the Browns are in position where they don't

925
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: need to make nine picks in this draft. You can

926
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: go use those assets and get a player that can

927
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: make an immediate impact on your defense. And I think

928
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: the interesting because the Steelers serve four ahead of us

929
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: at twenty two. I believe they're going offensive line. I

930
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: would think I would think, which is yeah, it is interesting.

931
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: It's all of its interesting because the Colts could go

932
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: offensive line or they could go defensive end. The Titans

933
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: signing Bud Dupree, that was a team that was always

934
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: taking a defensive end in the mox So that eliminates

935
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: one from a defensive end standpoint. Look, the fact is

936
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: a corner and a and a defensive end are in

937
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: a different stratosphere than anything else on this team. Like

938
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: if you're saying you have needs, those two are one

939
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: in two and then third might as well be a hundred. Honestly,

940
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that you are forced to compel to

941
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: do anything else, like maybe you can move receiver up

942
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: from the succession planning standpoint we talked about. But in

943
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: terms of needs, it's it's those two. And it would

944
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: not surprise me at all if somehow we come out

945
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: of you know, days one and two and we have

946
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: a defensive end in a corner. Are within certainly within

947
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: those four picks, and it could end up being a

948
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: defensive end. Two corns could be a defensive end, corner receiver.

949
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: Then you can once again day three or or the

950
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: third round with those two picks. That's you have little flexibility.

951
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: But one surprised me if our first two picks are

952
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: in some order a corner or in a defensive end,

953
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: with the only wild card I think being in there

954
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: would maybe be a receiver. And now would be to

955
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: me much more around two than around one. All right, guys,

956
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: updated top ten needs list going into the draft just

957
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: a few weeks away. About a month away, guys, a

958
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: month it is. And I do think though we're well

959
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: set up enough, especially contingent upon prior to the draft.

960
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: If if Grimm's mentioned, you know, we bring in a

961
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: veteran defensive end between now and the draft, and I

962
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: think we really are in a position at six. If

963
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: there's some of that is just that they thought was

964
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: the twelve best player on the board, even though he's

965
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily the position of need. I think we're in

966
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: a position where we can take that person where I

967
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: don't know the last time we were in a position

968
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: like that. No good teams do, right, Yeah, exactly, Zigura.

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00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time and pleasure, Mr clooney. It's been fun gribble,

970
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,000
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977
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