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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive on this year, there's Audio Network

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Speaker 2: alongside the Matt Williamson Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that ever came from.

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Speaker 2: I just tried to fill in for Dale LOLLI I'm

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Speaker 2: Rock Dale's.

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Speaker 4: Son, his elder son.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how about that?

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Speaker 4: Is Tyana ko? Tyana? Not?

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Speaker 5: Today is the wedding day. So Dale was here yesterday.

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Speaker 5: We recorded from four to six. His wife didn't know

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Speaker 5: he was not going to be at the rehearsal, so

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Speaker 5: she's texted him the whole time we're here.

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Speaker 3: But he did go to the dinner, which he paid for.

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Speaker 4: Rehearsal. My friend, come on, man, seriously.

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Speaker 3: So to pull back the curtain.

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Speaker 5: Rob's filling in for Dale, and we are recording early

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Speaker 5: on Friday. So if there's like Russell Wilson news, we

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Speaker 5: don't quite know that yet, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I mean.

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Speaker 5: That's a good veteran movie, that part, because someone's gonna

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Speaker 5: want to hear that. That's exactly maybe we should explore

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Speaker 5: the Steelers with him without Wilson.

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Speaker 3: A little because we don't have the answers. But I

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Speaker 3: bet he plays.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. So by the way, after, are you a

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Speaker 4: Game of Thrones watcher?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Big time? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So every time I you know, so when when they're uh,

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Speaker 2: when they have to do it's a bunch of different

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Speaker 2: feef him for those who didn't watch the show. And

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Speaker 2: every time somebody's got a you know, pledge their loyalty

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Speaker 2: to another house, they call it bending. I think about

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Speaker 2: that with you know, when you go to ask your

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Speaker 2: wife to marry, same.

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Speaker 4: Sort of things. Dale's Elvis bent the knee at some point.

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Speaker 3: So that's what he's doing today. He's back on Monday.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to leave it there because I had to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the day after he has to go

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Speaker 3: to Atlanta. So Dale, I mean he's gonna, oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: do the wedding and stuff and then hop on up

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Speaker 3: on a we White to Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: Right, We'll see him on the charter.

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Speaker 2: So, Matt, last night's game and full disclosure, I had

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Speaker 2: a Pirates game last night, So I came home, I

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Speaker 2: saw I listened to most of the second half of

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Speaker 2: my way home, and then watched the fourth quarter and

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Speaker 2: I saw some of the first half. But you know

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Speaker 2: I was obviously I was watching this, yeah, watching the

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Speaker 2: Pirates game. So your thoughts, uh, generally on what you

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Speaker 2: saw last a lot.

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Speaker 5: I know it's only one game, but I took away

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Speaker 5: a lot from it. I mean, first of all, it

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Speaker 5: makes you realize how awful the preseason's been. I mean

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Speaker 5: preseason to me, the product has.

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Speaker 3: Gone down so much and there's so little to analyze

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Speaker 3: from it compared to what it used to be because

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Speaker 3: someone's everyone's sitting everybody and no one's game planning, and

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Speaker 5: It's just really generic bad football. But at the time,

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Speaker 5: and that's all you get, you're pretty happy about it.

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Speaker 5: You know, I did see a lot of early flags

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Speaker 5: in the game. You think I was going to start

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Speaker 5: there too, Yeah, all right, go ahead. Raven's procedural stuff

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Speaker 5: was horrific. Now, that's the worst environment on the planet,

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Speaker 5: like right, going into the Super Bowl Champs, particularly Kansas

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Speaker 5: City on Thursday night, is an uphill climb for the

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Speaker 5: best teams in the league, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I always feel for that team, even though it's a Birdies,

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Speaker 5: you know, like, but it was ugly.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't align.

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Speaker 5: There was some false starts, all sorts of procedural penalties

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Speaker 5: on offense, and yeah, it's loud, but too many. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that was definitely a takeaway for me. The number one takeaway,

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Speaker 5: and again I think we can fill a whole segment

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Speaker 5: talking about this game because a lot of it applies

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Speaker 5: to Steelers is there was some sloppiness and I expect

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Speaker 5: there to be still sloppiness on Sunday for all games,

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Speaker 5: but particularly Steelers oh line too. You know, I mean

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Speaker 5: it's week one and not everybody went crazy in the

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Speaker 5: preseason playing all their guys back to the original point.

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Speaker 5: But the biggest thing day when I've talked about the

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Speaker 5: Ravens is their O line is troublesome, and it was

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Speaker 5: horrific last night. I mean it was absolutely terrible. And

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Speaker 5: I look at their five starters and I think Linderbaum's

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Speaker 5: a really good center, and then there's four other questions.

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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what came to fruition last night, because

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Speaker 5: if Lamar's not Lamar athletically, that's a seven or eight

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Speaker 5: sack night. And they were game planning around it so much.

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Speaker 5: They didn't throw the ball downfield at all. Right, everything

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Speaker 5: was quick hitter or it almost felt like, you know, recess, like,

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Speaker 5: all right, we're just gonna draw you guys run around here.

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Speaker 5: But Lamar make a play, right, and he ran the

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Speaker 5: ball a ton a ton highly effectively. Yes, but you

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Speaker 5: can't live that way.

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Speaker 2: That was my I mean, you know, I think you

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Speaker 2: hit on two really huge points because if your O

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Speaker 2: line can't protect Lamar, and then you're gonna use Lamar

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Speaker 2: in the running game and something happens to Lamar, what

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Speaker 2: that going.

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Speaker 4: To look like?

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Speaker 3: Right? And I don't think they planned on him that much.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it was scrambles running away from

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Speaker 5: Chris Jones, et cetera. Because they couldn't block anybody, you know,

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Speaker 5: I mean a lot of their pass plays ended up.

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Speaker 3: In a Lamar run. He's so good, it's unbelievable, so good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody's ever seen the movie The Matrix, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he figures out how to move. Everything else moves around

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Speaker 2: him in slow motion.

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Speaker 4: That's what Lamar looks like.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, how I mean, he's you're talking about some

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Speaker 2: of the fastest humans on the planet, right, and how

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Speaker 2: much to do he.

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Speaker 4: Looks and everybody else out there. It's really amazing.

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Speaker 3: It's really amazing.

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Speaker 5: And he reminds me of Wayne Gretzky too, because he

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Speaker 5: sees the ice so well. He never takes big hits,

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Speaker 5: you know, like he stops and starts like a matrix

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Speaker 5: before a safety comes out of nowhere. I mean there's

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Speaker 5: eleven guys that are nasty, you know, tracking him down,

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Speaker 5: and he never takes big hits, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, although he lowered his shoulder a bunch of times,

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Speaker 2: and he will do that, which is patrick super competitive

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Speaker 2: and super tough, no doubting any of that stuff.

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Speaker 5: Stronger than people think too, like wire strong. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: for sure. I was thinking about that last night watching him.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, man, he and his play strength. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I have no idea what he bench presses or whatever,

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Speaker 5: but I.

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Speaker 3: Mean it's not a lot, but he's wiry strong, just.

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Speaker 2: The fact that I mean when he wants to and

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Speaker 2: you know, you see that with to me, going back

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Speaker 2: to Steelers history, one of the great guys at doing

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Speaker 2: that was Le'Veon Bell because his feet were so quick

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Speaker 2: that you would come up and you know the old

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Speaker 2: phone booth thing, right, you're in a phone booth and

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Speaker 2: you can't even touch them. I mean guys that come

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Speaker 2: up and Le'Veon Bell would make him completely and utterly whif.

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Speaker 3: So is a defender in this start stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as a defender, now you're a little tentative and

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Speaker 2: you're breaking down. In the minute you would break down,

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Speaker 2: he would just run you over.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean right, because he has right because

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Speaker 4: he could do both.

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Speaker 3: And he could accelerate so quick too, right.

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Speaker 2: And the ability to set somebody up like that. Not

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Speaker 2: every very few people, in my opinion, have that capability.

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Speaker 2: Lev Bell reminds it doesn't mean Lamar Jackson. There are

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Speaker 2: times where if he thinks he's got you set up,

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Speaker 2: he will lower the shoulder on you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just to keep you honest, right right or not?

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Speaker 5: Doesn't just slide or duck out of bounds. I mean

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Speaker 5: he is nasty.

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Speaker 4: But if I'm a Ravens fan, that that concerns.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't like the formula at all, right, I

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Speaker 2: mean one of these hits is going to be maybe

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Speaker 2: one hit too many.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't live that way. And I thought he

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Speaker 5: played it. He misses a Flowers wide open in the

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Speaker 5: end zone, which had been a tough row because I

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Speaker 5: mean he's rolling his right right rounds left. I mean

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Speaker 5: it wasn't, as you know. But other than that, he's

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Speaker 5: the only reason they were in that thing until the end.

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, like likely was really impressive.

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Speaker 4: He's really good.

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Speaker 3: He's really good.

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Speaker 5: He's a really good athlete. But just watching TV copy,

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Speaker 5: it sure seemed like Spagnolo was super worried about Andrews,

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Speaker 5: who's always been their number one receiver, and stopping Henry

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Speaker 5: and he and he eliminated those two things, and they

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Speaker 5: dominated the line of scrimmage right like there. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Chris Jones was kind of funny to watch because I

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Speaker 5: guess they give him.

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Speaker 3: Carl Blanche, cart blanche, whatever that word.

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Speaker 5: He can just pick his He moves everybody around on

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Speaker 5: the defensive line like I want to go against him.

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Speaker 3: I want to go against him.

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Speaker 5: He just like points at a bad guard and said,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to smoke him. So he moved all around

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Speaker 5: the line now and others before I forget it, And

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Speaker 5: I would expect this in stealer game, in every game.

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Speaker 5: Late in the game, fatigue obviously set in. None of

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Speaker 5: these guys have played all that many snaps. Chris Jones'

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Speaker 5: pass rushing snap after snap, and in.

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Speaker 3: The fourth quarter, it's not the same.

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Speaker 5: You know, I would expect defenses to wear down heavily

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Speaker 5: in week one because now these guys have played sixty

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Speaker 5: snaps or you know. I mean that's a big deal anyway,

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Speaker 5: Like you mentioned it, like early in the game, Chris

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Speaker 5: Jones just smokes Filele, the three hundred and eighty pound guard,

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Speaker 5: and it's him and Lamar, and Jones, who's an amazing

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Speaker 5: player too, breaks down like a punt returner right in

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Speaker 5: front of him, Like if I try to just blow

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Speaker 5: through this guy, he's just gonna dip me, right, And

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Speaker 5: Lamar still gets out of it. I mean for like

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Speaker 5: a one yard game, you know, like and that's how

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Speaker 5: it was all, not like they rushed it was the

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Speaker 5: Steelers are really good this too. They've rushed Lamar with

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Speaker 5: intentions of keeping him in the pocket, like I'm not

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Speaker 5: just trying to take his head off, And the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: are almost surprised at how poor the blocking was, like

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Speaker 5: they got back there sooner than they.

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Speaker 3: Should, and now what do we do with them? You know?

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Speaker 3: It was a strange game that way, Yeah, but likely

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Speaker 3: was impressive.

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Speaker 2: He's really so when you look at the Ravens and

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Speaker 2: we're looking at this mostly from the Ravens perspective, although

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Speaker 2: you know the Chiefs are still the top dog and

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Speaker 2: you want to knock them off the mountain and Rashi Rice.

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Speaker 3: I'd be pretty comfortable if as a Chiefs fan, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Rice is a factor, and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, now you start to think that Mahomes might xavior.

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Speaker 4: Worthy as a factor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get back to the Chiefs in a moment.

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Speaker 2: But when you look at the Ravens and you think, okay,

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Speaker 2: can you game plan maybe a little less Lamar running

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Speaker 2: against the lesser defense, more of Derreck Henry running, And

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Speaker 2: Mahomes has the combination all those things, and he just

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Speaker 5: You mentioned Elway, and I think Elway is an underrated

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Speaker 3: He's like, well, hey, the three amigos. I'm like, name

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Speaker 3: Here was a total superstar and and not great situation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot about this game, but like the

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Speaker 4: They asked, right, that's a shame.

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Speaker 2: They asked Bobby Lane, you know, when he's the quarterback

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Speaker 4: And he said I do yeah, right, so you know

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Speaker 5: Hey, Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, how long is the Bengals

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Speaker 2: So that's Matt Williams and I'm Rob King filling in

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Speaker 2: for Dale Lolly and we'll be back with more on

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Speaker 2: the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive on this Steelers Audio Network

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Speaker 2: alongside the I'm Rob King filling in for Dale LOLLI.

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Speaker 4: We just need to just be.

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Speaker 3: Where it's going.

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Speaker 2: He's Matt Williams, and I'm you know, we were talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah again, right, yeah, great questions, right, you know, would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, you give me a clean pocket,

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Speaker 5: just like Marino and Shula, Bradshaw, Nole, whatever, Montana and Walsh,

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Speaker 5: that combination has to be there. Brady Belichick, I mean,

439
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Speaker 5: it's a two way street. But just in terms of throwing,

440
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Speaker 5: I think he's really good from the pocket and he's

441
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Speaker 5: getting better. And we talked about this a little last segment.

442
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Speaker 5: He's very willing to check it down now and that

443
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Speaker 5: takes young quarterbacks a lot. Like Josh Allen isn't quite there.

444
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 5: He's still turned the ball over a little much and

445
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Speaker 5: throwing ninety five mile hour fastballs over and over. But

446
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 5: arm talent and arm strength are different to me, and

447
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Speaker 5: his arm strength is very, very very good, but his

448
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Speaker 5: arm talent is better in terms of rolling right, rolling left,

449
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Speaker 5: always in balance. I think he's an interesting body type too,

450
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Speaker 5: Like he's a kind of a square, thick hockey build.

451
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

452
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Speaker 5: Like he's always centered, he's always balanced. He can throw

453
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Speaker 5: a touch, he can throw over linebackers at all levels.

454
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Speaker 3: But another hockey analogy. As a runner, he's not going

455
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Speaker 3: to be great in the forty. He's not going to

456
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Speaker 3: beat Lamar in a race. But I used to always

457
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Speaker 3: say Jerry Rice and Mary o Lemieux, no one ever

458
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Speaker 3: caught him pads.

459
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Speaker 5: You know, Mario got to step on you with the puck.

460
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 5: He's him and the goalie and nobody's getting around him.

461
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Speaker 5: You get Rice on a slant and he breaks the

462
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Speaker 5: first tackle. Nobody's catching him, right, you know what I mean?

463
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Speaker 5: Like he has some of that as a runner too.

464
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Speaker 5: On third and eight, he's getting nine every time, right,

465
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Speaker 5: I mean, there's he's a total package that way.

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he's an interesting guy for sure. You know.

467
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Speaker 2: I just think that, Uh, it's such a it's such

468
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Speaker 2: a great conversation because I mean, in my lifetime, right,

469
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Speaker 2: it was, you know, Johnny Uniteds was the benchmark for years,

470
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Speaker 2: and then.

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Speaker 5: I remember consensus like as a kid, Montana's starting to

472
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Speaker 5: beat Uniteds now, right exactly.

473
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Speaker 2: But then in retrospect you look back and you're like, well,

474
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Speaker 2: West Coast offense and you know, and and for some

475
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Speaker 2: reason that seems to diminish uh Joe Montana, which it

476
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Speaker 2: shouldn't in my opinion.

477
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Speaker 4: I mean, think I won four Super Bowls.

478
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Speaker 5: Like when people give me two parties system quarterback, which

479
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 5: of course they were, So.

480
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Speaker 3: Was Montana right? And that I don't say that as

481
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Speaker 3: a negative at all. Right, a great marriage. Actually that's

482
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Speaker 3: what coaching is.

483
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Speaker 4: Right exactly.

484
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Speaker 2: So it is an interesting conversation at one one that

485
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Speaker 2: constantly evolves. I think that one of the things that

486
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Speaker 2: I like to tell people is that these guys are

487
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Speaker 2: you know, so many of these guys are Western PA guys,

488
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Speaker 2: and you think about guys that played in the Whipile

489
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Speaker 2: and like, you could go, you could go quarter by

490
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Speaker 2: quarter with these guys, right, So Johnny Knights plays the

491
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Speaker 2: first quarter, you know, Dan Reno plays the second quarter,

492
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Speaker 2: Joe Montana, and then you get to the point where

493
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Speaker 2: you know, well, Jim kellywell sorry, Jim, you got to

494
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Speaker 2: hold kicks, right, I mean, you know on the practice squad. Yeah,

495
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 2: to the point where you don't even have enough room

496
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Speaker 2: for these guys to play. So okay, so we digressed there.

497
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Speaker 2: So you have more thoughts on last night's game.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about the kickoffs for a little bit,

499
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Speaker 5: because that's all we talked about for three months. I mean,

500
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Speaker 5: what's the kickoff rules going to do? And then dooring

501
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Speaker 5: the opening kickoff? Was it tricos play by play guy?

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Speaker 3: I should know this. I mean, I don't pay attention

503
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Speaker 3: to play by play guys. Who cares?

504
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Speaker 2: Brian If you could just use his mic, i'd appreciate that,

505
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Speaker 2: thank you.

506
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Speaker 5: But on the kickoff he said something like, well, I'm

507
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: expecting a lot of them out of the end zone, Like, well,

508
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Speaker 5: what have we been talking about this whole time? Somebody

509
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Speaker 5: obviously got in his ear and like nine out of

510
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Speaker 5: ten kickoffs they just blasted out of the end zone.

511
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Speaker 3: Like I'm sure the coaches were were like, I'll just

512
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Speaker 3: take it to thirty. Who cares. I don't want to

513
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Speaker 3: practice this thing more than run defence.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, we saw the was it the opening kickoff that

515
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Speaker 2: was returned out to the three?

516
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Speaker 3: I think it was the first one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I agree.

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Speaker 2: There was a discussion about and I don't know what

519
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Speaker 2: the genesis is. I don't know whether I didn't watch

520
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Speaker 2: the XFL. I don't know whether they marked it to

521
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Speaker 2: thirty five. I think they may have on kicks through

522
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Speaker 2: the end zone.

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Speaker 3: That would be better, because the thirty's not a bad enough.

524
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Speaker 2: The NFL resisted that I don't know whether they would

525
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Speaker 2: be able to change a rule like that in the

526
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Speaker 2: middle of the season.

527
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Speaker 5: Don't quote me, but I think when they put this

528
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Speaker 5: rule in they said they can change it on the fly. Okay,

529
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Speaker 5: So because I get camp I said this a million times.

530
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Speaker 5: I'm like, watching preseason, nine out of ten drives started

531
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Speaker 5: like the twenty eight or twenty nine, right, and the

532
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Speaker 5: thirty's not a big enough penalty to kick it over

533
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Speaker 5: the end zone.

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think, and I think it will.

535
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Speaker 2: I think the Steelers have a huge advantage on most

536
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Speaker 2: teams because they have Cordero Patterson, who's the greatest kickoff

537
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Speaker 2: returner in NFL history, and Jalen Warren.

538
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Speaker 5: Warren back there, that's pretty interesting. That's the kickoff return guys.

539
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Speaker 5: And if they're just standing there, you know, in the

540
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Speaker 5: end zone, watching the ball sail over their head, that

541
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Speaker 5: takes away a big advantage. I mean, the day after

542
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Speaker 5: they announced the NFL kickoff rule is signed.

543
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they signed Cordero Patters. Yeah, right, So I

544
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Speaker 2: think that that would negate a big tactical.

545
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Speaker 4: Advantage for the Steelers.

546
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Speaker 3: Agreed.

547
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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, and I do believe that

548
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Speaker 2: in general, if you want kickoffs, you need to make

549
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Speaker 2: the punishment more severe.

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Speaker 5: And we have had this conversation with Danny Smith, and

551
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Speaker 5: Dale brings it up a lot. He's like, well, in

552
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Speaker 5: the Buffalo playoff game, you couldn't kick it out of

553
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Speaker 5: the end zone. You know, Like there will be times

554
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Speaker 5: as the season goes on, whether wind snow where Tucker

555
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 5: just can't blast.

556
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Speaker 3: It into the seats. Right, but still, I mean for now.

557
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Speaker 5: And I thought this going into the season, like if

558
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Speaker 5: a head coach says, we just allowed two big returns

559
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Speaker 5: in the first two weeks of the season, I'm not

560
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Speaker 5: going to spend an extra ten minutes of a two

561
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Speaker 5: hour practice. I mean, let's just go work on run

562
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Speaker 5: defense or passing the skeleton or whatever. I mean, something different,

563
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 5: and we'll just kick it out of the end zone, right,

564
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Speaker 5: you know.

565
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Speaker 4: I do. I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it's a stiff enough penalty, and I

567
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Speaker 2: think we're seeing that that teams feel the same way.

568
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they fiddled with it in the preseason, but

569
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Speaker 5: in the regular season when it mattered and the chips

570
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Speaker 5: are down, We'll just put my homes at the thirty.

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Speaker 3: We'll put Lar at the thirty. Yeah.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's I totally. I could not

573
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Speaker 2: agree with you more. I wondered about that going in

574
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Speaker 2: because you're right. I mean, I'm watching every return come

575
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Speaker 2: out near the thirty. Yeah, why mess with that? What's

576
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Speaker 2: the upside is a coverage team, they're very, very very

577
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Speaker 2: few fumbles. Okay, so there's the occasional penalty that will

578
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: back a team up, But is that really worth weighing,

579
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Speaker 2: you know, if you weigh that versus hey, you're one

580
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Speaker 2: block away from cord Aero Patterson being like.

581
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Speaker 5: Kicker, right, yeah, right, right, right again, I think that

582
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Speaker 5: we haven't seen huge returns, but they still will happen,

583
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm content at the thirty right.

584
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Speaker 2: And by the way, so now, I mean, if you

585
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Speaker 2: want to throw another layer on, do you want your kicker?

586
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Speaker 2: First of all, your kicker can't tackle cord Aero Patterson. No,

587
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: But secondly, do you even want him to try?

588
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 4: What if?

589
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: What if Cordial Patterson's running right at your kicker? Right,

590
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: You're like, who's going to kick for us the rest

591
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: of the game?

592
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

593
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Speaker 5: And I heard some people say when the rule came out,

594
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 5: they're expecting a lot of kicker injuries, right. I mean,

595
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 5: we've even gotten returners to the kicker level much. But

596
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Speaker 5: if they're out there trying to tackle the quarter O

597
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 5: Patterson's and Jalen we Warrens of the world, it's not

598
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Speaker 5: going to go well for them.

599
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Speaker 2: By the way I watched it, I was watching some

600
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Speaker 2: preseason Falcons to get ready for the game and Young

601
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Speaker 2: Waykup made a tackle.

602
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Speaker 4: Then he really had like the thirty.

603
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Speaker 3: Two I'm like, okay, what what that happen? Man?

604
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 4: He can't fly up there and made a tackle.

605
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: So you're if you're the Falcons and you're like, I

606
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: don't know, that's what we really want to do. No,

607
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: although better the preseason, I suppose then during a regular

608
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: season game, I mean.

609
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Speaker 4: That could be that could be a factor and a

610
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 4: winner or loss.

611
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Speaker 5: I just wonder if that's to be the trend. I mean,

612
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Speaker 5: like all week one thirty two teams, So they just

613
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: gonna kick it out of the end zone and worry

614
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: about it later.

615
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Speaker 4: Right by the way, uh so uh o gooonba walle.

616
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Speaker 2: For Houston, when they had a kick a kicker injury

617
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: during a game, they used him to kick.

618
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Speaker 4: A field goal. Last year he kicked what proved to.

619
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Speaker 2: Be the game winning field goal, and they they they

620
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: literally didn't know what to do. And somebot was like, hey,

621
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Speaker 2: I've seen a google bow wale like kicking a soccer

622
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Speaker 2: ball around the facility kicking. He was like, sure, I'll

623
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Speaker 2: give it a shot. So, I mean I did some

624
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: research on that game. That preseason game. I'm like, is

625
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Speaker 2: this guy.

626
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Speaker 4: Does he have a kicker background, No, he doesn't at all.

627
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: Just was kicking around a soccer like give it a shot,

628
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: and they went forward and a fourth down earlier I

629
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: think in that corner didn't get it, and then he

630
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: kicked about a thirty yard field goal whatever.

631
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Speaker 5: In mini camp or whatever, the Chiefs messed with one

632
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Speaker 5: of their safeties who I guess kicked off in high

633
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: school being their kickoff guy because he can tackle right.

634
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 5: And they didn't end up doing it, obviously, but I

635
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 5: forget who it was, but one of their safeties was

636
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 5: the college kicker or whatever.

637
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: By the way, one hig school kicker.

638
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Speaker 2: One more thing that I think is a rule tweak

639
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: I would like to see. So if you have a

640
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: penalty of procedure penalty on the kickoff, right, you're the

641
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: kickoff team and you move too early this happened to

642
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: you move the ball back five yards. Well, those kick

643
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: does run it back to the fifteen. They can still

644
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: kick it in the landing zone. You need to do

645
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: is you need to move the defensive team back five

646
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: year Exactly.

647
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: It's not a penalty at all, right, I mean, that's

648
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Speaker 5: just like a golfer that can hit it two hundred

649
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 5: or two twenty. He just pulls out a seven iron

650
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 5: seven eight hours or whatever.

651
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: Wherever the play ends. You had five yards at the

652
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: end of it, that would be one way to do it.

653
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: Because one of the Steeler preseason games.

654
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the procedure penalty, Yeah, I think so, but

655
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: only move the ball right And now what are you

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Speaker 2: going to do if you're a kickoff team, Well, you're

657
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: going to try it again to boot it through the

658
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Speaker 2: end zone, right, So if your plan is to boot

659
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Speaker 2: it through the end zone anyway, of course, if you're

660
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: going to plan with to boot it to the endzone,

661
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Speaker 2: then shame on the guy who moved early. Right, Just

662
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Speaker 2: stand there there, just exactly right, all right, We still

663
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Speaker 2: have more to come. He is Matt Williams and I'm

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Speaker 2: Rob King filling in for Dal Lolly. This is the

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Speaker 2: Drive on the Steeler's Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: He is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

667
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for being with us on the Drive and the

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Speaker 4: Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: The voice you're hearing is not the voice of Dale

672
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Lollie that you're used to hearing.

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00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: Dale's son any merit today?

674
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: Congratulations, yeah elder son, Yes, right, yes, getting married. He's

675
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: Matt Williams and I'm rob king. We're going to turn

676
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Speaker 2: our attention now to the season opener on Sunday. I've

677
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: got my own research that I've done. I've got this

678
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Speaker 2: packet of eight pages of research. As a as a reporter,

679
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: I cannot reveal my I can't reveal my sources, right,

680
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: I can't reveal my sources. So in other words, I'm

681
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: going to take credit for Matt's researcher.

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Speaker 5: Poor Dale has to edit that thing. He was like,

683
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Speaker 5: can you get it to me a little early this week?

684
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 5: I know you've been working on for six months.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, there's a lot of there's a lot of good

687
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: stuff in here, and we're going to get to some

688
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: of this, I'm sure. As we look at the overview,

689
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: where do you want to start? You want to start

690
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: Steelers offense or you want to start.

691
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: Steelers I don't care.

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00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: Okay, let's start Steelers offense, all right?

693
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Speaker 3: The change the address of Wilson situation a little.

694
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Speaker 2: Right, so yesterday but I mean, yeah, yesterday in practice

695
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: held out calf an abundance of precaution Mike Tomlin how

696
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: he stated it. But calves are tricky.

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00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they linger.

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00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've ever had a calf, and I've had

699
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: a cat, I had a calf once. Lingers, lingers and

700
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: lingers and lingers, and the fear is that you re

701
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Speaker 2: injure it and then it lasts even longer. Joe Burrow

702
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: had it took forever. Yeah, and never really was Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 5: And it's hard to plan off it and change directions,

704
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 5: and it's not as easy of an overcoming injury as

705
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Speaker 5: people might think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, and again, but why get into

707
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: that speculation because we have no idea. But we can

708
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Speaker 2: talk about what each quarterback would bring to the table.

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Speaker 4: We're that quarterback to play.

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Speaker 3: Let me, do you think field sees the field? No

711
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: matter what?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

713
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Speaker 3: I don't either.

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Speaker 4: I would say this, this is my own. I can

715
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Speaker 4: only tell you how I feel about it.

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Speaker 2: How I feel about it is I would have a

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Speaker 2: package for him every week. If things are going really well,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't use it. If things are not going well,

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Speaker 2: I would use it as a spark, I believe, and

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Speaker 2: as a replacement. Right, as a spark. Let's see if

721
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: you can do something. I believe that when a quarterback

722
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Speaker 2: is in a rhythm and you're doing well, I understand

723
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: the scripting of plays. You're trying to probe the other

724
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: team's defenses and what are you going to do? So

725
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: you want to run certain plays, what have you got

726
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: that's going to help us later in the game to adjust.

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Speaker 4: But when you throw in a.

728
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Speaker 2: Package every week, I think that can be disruptive. Yeah,

729
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Speaker 2: there were times when I was watching the Saints games

730
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Speaker 2: and I'm watching Drew Brees and I'm like, what is

731
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Speaker 2: Taysom Hill?

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Speaker 4: Why is he in the game?

733
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Speaker 3: Why is the Hall of Famer on the sidelines?

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Speaker 5: Right right in any situation right slash quarterback?

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Speaker 4: That's the way I felt about it.

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Speaker 5: So let me touch on the same things real quick,

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Speaker 5: because I did more homework on this after the whole

738
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Speaker 5: fields thing. When during those that era, during the breeze era,

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Speaker 5: when Taysom Hill took the snap, they averaged like six

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Speaker 5: yards of play, which is tremendous. So it worked, you know,

741
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Speaker 5: but I still would be like, why is the Hall

742
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Speaker 5: of Famer on the sidelines? You know, who's the best

743
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 5: passer in the league in any situation? Red zone fourth

744
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 5: and one whatever. But kind of as you mentioned, well

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Speaker 5: what people might not know and Dale and I do

746
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: bring this up a lot. Prep for a season game,

747
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: you don't have as much practice time as you think,

748
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: so these coaches are very particular with what every minute

749
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: of practice is doing, you know, and if you have

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Speaker 5: to make the opponent practice for Taysom Hill, and I

751
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 5: think Field is a much better passer than Hill ever was.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's not close. I mean that's not close.

754
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: He's a quarterback first, right, He's not a tight end

755
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 5: playing quarterback. Then therefore they're not practicing for your zone

756
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 5: running game or your blitz package or whatever. So I

757
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 5: think that part has a lot of merit, whether you

758
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Speaker 5: use it or not. And this is my tinfoil hat theory.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think what Wilson sat out yesterday for

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Speaker 5: this reason. But the two head coaches on Sunday know

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Speaker 5: each other extremely, extremely well, and Tomlins made it pretty

762
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 5: clear to his buddy, you better prepare for fields, you know,

763
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Speaker 5: like I bet he's telling him. As a new head coach,

764
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 5: you got more stuff to worry about than you think,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So now, a couple things in that First of all,

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Speaker 2: you know we're looking at the precious practice time. From

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Speaker 2: the defense's perspective, the offense still has to practice their package, right,

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Speaker 2: If you're the Saint, you still have to practice Taysom

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Speaker 2: Hill this week. True, So some practice time is still

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Speaker 2: utilized doing that good.

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Speaker 3: Point, right, which means you're not practicing Drew Brees stuff exact. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So here's the other thing too, And I think that

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Speaker 2: it's whenever I get statistics, I try to I try

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Speaker 2: to say, okay, how can we get is this statistic

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Speaker 2: definitely getting at the essence of what is happening? So

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Speaker 2: let me use a baseball example for you. So they

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Speaker 2: will tell you if you can get from first base

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Speaker 2: to second base successfully, in other words, stealing a base

781
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: eighty percent of the time, it's worthwhile because x amount

782
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: of runners score from first with no outs x amount

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00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: of runner score from second.

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Speaker 4: So let's make this.

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Speaker 3: Form the exponential difference.

786
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Speaker 2: But I don't see how that statistical breakdown can take

787
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: into account a lot of different factors. Is the picture

788
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 2: worried now about your running if you're gonna run a lot,

789
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: is your picture's attention distracted? Is the catcher going to

790
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: say Hey, that guy might run.

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00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: You know what I'm gonna do.

792
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call a fastball or I'm gonna call a

793
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: pitch out. So I'm gonna call a pitch out. He

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00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: doesn't run.

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Speaker 4: Now it's one to oh, well, that's a hitters count.

796
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 5: But he definitely calls the game. I'm asking, I don't know.

797
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Speaker 5: I assume he calls.

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Speaker 2: That can happen to what degree and what percentage? I

799
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: don't know, So and then there's get a little bit nervous.

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00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: So so what I would want to know is, Okay,

801
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: so the Taysom Hill, when he's out there, you're getting

802
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: six yards per game. So now wouldn't you then let's forget,

803
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: forget for a moment the effect that that would have

804
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: on Drew Brees, Right, So now he's taken out of

805
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 2: the game, and and then can you getting back out

806
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: and getting into the same rhythm. Okay, maybe you are,

807
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: maybe are, But but wouldn't you then say, Okay, if

808
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: you're getting six yards to play from a guy, why

809
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: isn't he out there every single play? He should be quarterbacking, right,

810
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: I mean, if he can get that in a small

811
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Speaker 2: sample size, shouldn't he be able to get that in

812
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: a large sample size. Well, the answer is probably know,

813
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: isn't it Probably not? So it's it's it's kind of

814
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: like Nausey versus Warren. But I think they're equal players.

815
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: But if you asked Warren to do the nausey stuff

816
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: against heavy boxes, he wouldn't average yard per carry more

817
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: than nause I look at Tony Pollard last year, and

818
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: I know he was coming over the injury.

819
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Speaker 4: I get it, but I do get it.

820
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 2: But now you're asking a guy who was the second

821
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: guy to become the first guy. Meaning you're going to

822
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: be defended differently, right, because you're in different downs, You're

823
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: in different situations. You know, you're there's a different workload.

824
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: Are you wearing down? You know Naji Harris is wearing

825
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 2: down the other team they're not wearing down Naji Harris.

826
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Speaker 3: The beauty and nause is. He's an inning eater, right,

827
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? He's for me?

828
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm a big I'm a big Naji fan.

829
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Speaker 2: I like Nagie Harris me too. I think he's I

830
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: think he's you know he is. I would be very

831
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: interested to see what happens with him when there's some freedom.

832
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: So both of us play have fantasy football teams, and

833
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: what happens when you know, quarterback goes down somebody somebody

834
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: will invariably say, ah, that means that running back is

835
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: going to be huge. They're going to have to rely

836
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: on him. Right, he's going to get thirty carries. Yeah,

837
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: until the other team says they got right, and he's

838
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: averaging one point six yards to carry and he's only

839
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: going to get thirteen carries because now you're behind right, right.

840
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: You know.

841
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: So they're all intertwined. And so I think in football,

842
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: more than any other sport, extracting the meaning from statistics

843
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 2: is very, very difficult. So I don't know I would

844
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: be I would not be surprised if Jalen Warren for

845
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: whatever reason became the featured back and had a monster year,

846
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: really good player. I would also not be surprised if

847
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: his numbers diminished a little bit because of the efficiency

848
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: would go down because of the workload, right, the efficiency.

849
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: All to go up, the efficiency exactly, it almost has to, right,

850
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: you know.

851
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: So So those are interesting questions, and getting back to

852
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: the fields Wilson things.

853
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

854
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: I mean, would I have a packed I'd absolutely have

855
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: a package, and I am super intrigued to watch him

856
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: in a better environment. I'm talking about Fields now. He's

857
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: such a phenomenal runner. And I mean, you know, you

858
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: look back, you look to Lamar Jackson last night.

859
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 4: I mean, is Fields is good? You think he's a

860
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 4: better runner than Lamar.

861
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Speaker 5: I almost didn't bring it up, and I wish you didn't,

862
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 5: because I've been saying all along that I think Fields

863
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 5: is the best running quarterback in the league. But what

864
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 5: Lamar did last night is kind of at the tip

865
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 5: of your tongue.

866
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 3: Go wow.

867
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 5: I mean, the stop start stuff you mentioned with Lamar

868
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 5: and the vision is.

869
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: Crazy, right. I think Field wins a race, you know,

870
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: like one hundred meter dash.

871
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: Interesting.

872
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Speaker 5: I mean because when he opens it up, he is fast,

873
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 5: and he's bigger and more powerful tackle breaker than Lamar.

874
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

875
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're playing a game of tag with

876
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of kids and there's eleven guys and and

877
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: you know young Lamar.

878
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: Is out there, You're never gonna touch on. He's ever

879
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: getting touched.

880
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 5: Right where Fields, if you like, pitched it to him

881
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 5: in a sweep around edge, right, I mean that to

882
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 5: me is him.

883
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: You're not the in the pocket stop, start, you know.

884
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: Right, I'm interested to see what he can do with

885
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: a better offensive line, better talent around him than he

886
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: had in.

887
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: Chicago, better coaching too. Yeah, exactly. I would love.

888
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: Expectations you through the franchise.

889
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: You know, I think, like a lot of Steeler Nation,

890
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: I am super intrigued by him. By the same token,

891
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: I was very impressed with Russell Wilson when he was

892
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: out on the fields, in.

893
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: The troupe and off the field, the demeanor and all

894
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff too. Like I do a Thursday

895
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: night show with Mike Pursuda and he said it, well,

896
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 5: He's like, boy, does he play the part of the

897
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: starting quarterback of the NFL?

898
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

899
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's faking it. I mean that's who

900
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 5: he is. He understands it. He's been around the block.

901
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: He should be on the billboards, he should be the

902
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 5: team captain. Just seeing him walk around the lunch room

903
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 5: in then out of the huddle like he'd throw a

904
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 5: touchdown in seven shots. And he's not high five in

905
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 5: his buddies. He's looking over the sideline like give me

906
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 5: the next play, let's go, you know, like.

907
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 4: This is what I do he's always had that reputation.

908
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And he's extremely sharp with the football,

909
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean just accurate sharp.

910
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 5: Now and speaking of seven shots, like the red zone

911
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 5: stuff is legit, right, It's way different than it's what

912
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 5: have been around here lately.

913
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: And one of those quarterbacks that I still think. I mean, obviously,

914
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: he's thirty six, he's not going to be able to

915
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: run the same way he did when he's younger.

916
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 4: No, but I suspect when.

917
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: It's third and four and he sees the opportunity to

918
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 2: get five, he's going to take it. He's he's one

919
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: of those backbreaking like you're defense and you think he

920
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 2: got him stopped and by half a yard. He's extending

921
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: the footballs, he's running out of bounds and he's picking

922
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 2: up the first down.

923
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is so good at that too.

924
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

925
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: Right, they play man coverage, he slides seven yards past

926
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: the life right, what do I need to get the.

927
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 3: Finger and goes back to the like just breaks your heart.

928
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very very intrigued to watch him. And also,

929
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: and I want to be careful how I say this, because.

930
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: They both have weaknesses and for sure, yeah.

931
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: For sure, And we can get to that, like the

932
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 4: sack issue is a problem.

933
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's this offense can't handle negative plays.

934
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Right, I think that this is and I'm not And again,

935
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: you have to be careful because I don't know Russell

936
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: Wilson personally.

937
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: I haven't met you.

938
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: I haven't followed his career from up close as as

939
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: somebody covering him. I haven't gotten to know him in

940
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: those aspects. But I have to think that what has

941
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: happened in the last couple of years has made this

942
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: year even extra important for.

943
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 5: Him to have an ego, Like you talked about all

944
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 5: goods egos, and I mean, yeah, he must.

945
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: Or he would never have this.

946
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: All great athletes do, they all do.

947
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 5: His legacy is at crossroads exactly right, exactly like the

948
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 5: day he got traded to Denver, I was asked, is

949
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 5: he a Hall of Famer if he doesn't play again?

950
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: I said, I think so right now. I'm not sure, right,

951
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I was right right years ago, you know, exactly.

952
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 2: And so I have to be careful saying that, because

953
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: that's that's acting like.

954
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 4: Well the last couple of years, he just mailed it.

955
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: Well, and we're not saying that, we're not trying it,

956
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: and so that's why I just want to make sure

957
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: we get little in.

958
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: A bad environment. His first year in Denver was the

959
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: worst environment. Coach got fired in like six games.

960
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: Right, and then a coach you didn't believe in him

961
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: in the second year. So okay, so we have much

962
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: more to get to. We're just scratching the surface. We're

963
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: going to get into some of the big matchups here

964
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: in this first game between the Steelers and the Falcons

965
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: when we continue on the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network,