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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Doctor Michael Salo with US. Pioneer in the

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Speaker 1: development of exo politics. He's the author of a number

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Speaker 1: of books, including his latest Space Force, Our Star Trek Future.

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Speaker 1: He has been an assistant professor or researcher in residence

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Speaker 1: at the School of International Service at the American University.

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Speaker 1: He has a PhD in Government from the University of

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Speaker 1: Queensland in Australia. Founder of the Exo Politics Institute, which

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Speaker 1: is a not for profit organization that analyzes the political

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Speaker 1: implications of extra to restrial life. Michael, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the program, my friend. Thank you, George, glad to be back.

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Speaker 1: I have not had a chance to get your reaction

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Speaker 1: to the June twenty fifth report that the government sent

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Speaker 1: out on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. Well, what's your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed, honestly, Yes, I think we

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Speaker 1: all we all were expecting a lot more to be revealed,

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Speaker 1: but what it did say was still a step forward.

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Speaker 1: I mean it did acknowledge the reality of UFOs. That

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Speaker 1: did say that these were something serious related to national security,

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Speaker 1: and so it's laid the groundwork for serious studies and investigations.

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Speaker 1: But of course, for those of us that have been

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Speaker 1: working in the field for several decades now we know

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Speaker 1: there's so much to this field, and that if you

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Speaker 1: just wait for official government documents being released, then are

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Speaker 1: you going to be waiting a long time to learn

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Speaker 1: the truth. This book Space for Is is number six

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Speaker 1: in your Secret Space Program series. Tell me how you

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Speaker 1: began to develop the entire series. Well, I was just

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Speaker 1: fascinated by the idea of secret space program I mean

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Speaker 1: it was something that I had come across very early

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Speaker 1: back into thousand and one. I mean, there were a

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Speaker 1: number of people that talked about secret space programs in

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Speaker 1: the sense of reverse engineered spacecraft. Mark McCandleish, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was one of the presenters at the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one Disclosure Project press conference, and he described how

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Speaker 1: he was given information about a sighting of three flying

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Speaker 1: and that one of his peers actually went to this

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Speaker 1: were not crash craft. These were not craft that were

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Speaker 1: being flight testa or anything. These were a craft that

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Speaker 1: were fully operational and basically being showed for potential customers.

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Speaker 1: So these had been built probably at the Plant forty

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Speaker 1: two facility there at Edwards for Space Palmdale, and these

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Speaker 1: work craft that were obviously being sold to someone for

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Speaker 1: use in something, and customers at that level we're talking

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Speaker 1: about organizations like Air Force Space Command or the National

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Speaker 1: Reconnaistance Office, those kinds of potential customers, and of course

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Speaker 1: the US Navy. So it was something that really got

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Speaker 1: me interested in the field. And then around twenty and

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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people coming forward talking about

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Speaker 1: secret space programs. So I started to look at these

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Speaker 1: that think it's very suspicious. What do you think, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was very suspicious. I mean he passed away just

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Speaker 1: really weeks before the release of the June twenty five report,

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Speaker 1: one has to ask, well, what was this done to

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Speaker 1: and they're there. They had another category in that June

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Speaker 1: Michael that Hitlers gaped and before he fled to South America,

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Speaker 1: But certainly Hitler was someone that gave a lot of

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Speaker 1: Your subtitle to your book, Space Force is fascinating our

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Speaker 1: Star Trek Future. Tell me about that. Well, that was

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Speaker 1: Pumpkins said, that's that's how it all began, and by

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Speaker 1: extraterrestrials and secret space programs from when he was very young,

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Speaker 1: working on the third volume of Bill Pomptin's memoirs now

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Speaker 1: and we're putting together all the interviews that he did

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