1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario. If you were a millennial like I am, 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: you may have been plagued with a very very important 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: question while growing up. And that question is who is A? 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: A refers to a mystery person terrorizing a group of 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: high school friends who yes, goes by the letter A, 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: and they were threatening to expose their secrets one year 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: after the Queen Bee of their clique went missing. I am, 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: of course, referring to the series Pretty Little Liars, a 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: show that took the world over by storm, and today's 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: guest is that Queen Bee. I was just talking about 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: the brilliantly talented actress Sasha Petersa. Sasha played the role 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: of Alison de Laurentis and instantly became a part of 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: pop culture history. When the show premiered, I mean, the 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: world could not get enough. And what was so cool 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: is this show was one of the very first shows 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: to utilize Twitter, because Twitter was just starting to become 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: popular to engage with the audiences. Week after week, the 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: show would be trending every single week it was number one. 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: It was truly remarkable how the show became so big 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: on social media now. Aside from being an actress and 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: working ever since she was a kid, Sasha is the 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: author of her cookbook Sasha in Good Taste and the 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: host of her podcast Women in the Nude, where Sasha 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: and her friends tackle taboo topics and they're all with 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: their experiences, their perspectives, and their truths. She truly does 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: it all and we had so much fun talking about 28 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: everything from past to present. So let's see if today 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: we can get Sasha to say something that she's never 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: said before. Sasha, how are you my friend? 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: Good? 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: I am so glad to be with you. Thank you 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: so much for thinking of me. How are you? 34 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so good. I'm so good. I love connecting 35 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: with you. I always feel like, I don't know, I 36 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: just believe as a happier person whenever we're done talking. 37 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: You have that effect on people that is so nice. 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I mean, I feel the same 39 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: way with you. You're just so warm and I mean 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: easy to talk to. But I feel like your friend, 41 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: which is so cool. We've been i mean friends for 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: years now. It's wild. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: I know. I love it so much, and I love 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: following you because you always have so much going on, 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to dive into a new venture or 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: a newer venture of yours, I should say, but before 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: we go into that, I am so fascinated by this 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: idea of someone like yourself who essentially shot to super 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: stardom very early in your career, right, you, of course 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: were on pretty little liars for everybody listening, and then 51 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: who may not know that, but that show really just 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of changed the trajectory of your entire career and 53 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: your entire future. Right, So thinking back to those years, 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: what are you the most fond of? 55 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, but yeah, I mean to speak on 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: just in general PLL. I was twelve when I shot 57 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: the pilot, thirteen when we filmed the first season, so 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: I now have been in the industry for over twenty 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: three years. I started when I was three and a half. 60 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: So when I got PLL, you know, we weren't sure 61 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: what it was going to be. We were super excited. 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: You know, it was like, oh, the right formula. It 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: was a book series, and it was you know, already popular, 64 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: and I don't know, fingers crossed, this could be something. 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: And then obviously, as we know, fans just fell in 66 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: love with it. The way that we did, which is 67 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: just also in general, such a special thing. As an actor, 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: I had an incredible I mean really as far as 69 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: filming and the show being out over a decade of 70 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: connection with amazing people all over the world, and I 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: think it was one of those first shows that was 72 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: we were able to do that because of social media 73 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: and form real bonds with people that were going through 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: similar experiences. You know, obviously as this hyperreality, you know, 75 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: getting chased in the dark. Hopefully people aren't doing that 76 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: on a regular basis, but there was this real relatable 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: energy between the girls and their experiences and how they 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: were going through their teenage life. So I really grew 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: up on camera in front of everybody, you know, during 80 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: pillll and good and bad ways. It's so weird to 81 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: have your childhood on TV. You know, every change that 82 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: I went through, graduating high school, getting engaged, you know, 83 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: getting my license. Don't worry, my license came before getting engaged. 84 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: I should get that in order. 85 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: But regardless, I you know, I. 86 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 3: Was on camera through these crazy milestones and I look 87 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: fondly on all of it, the good and the bad, 88 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: and you know, when I say bad, it really wasn't bad. 89 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 3: It was just you know, things that end up being 90 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: out of your control. But I feel like the relationships 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: I've formed were the best part. Our crew hardly changed 92 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: in those years, and so I have lifelong friendships people 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: that have you know, been there to support me. And 94 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: that includes our fans. Really there's fans that still, you know, 95 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 3: comment and like on my page that I recognize from 96 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: when PL started. So it's really cool to see everybody 97 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: grow with you as well. I don't know, it's just 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,799 Speaker 3: been such a blessing and something that I will always 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 3: credit to. 100 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: Where I am today, Well, it's clear. 101 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: You're so grateful and appreciative of your time on the 102 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: show and of the community that the show built, and 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: I think it's really refreshing to hear something like that. 104 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Do you think you were prepared for all of the 105 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: fame that hit you so fast? 106 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: I mean yes and no. 107 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: I think being in the industry so young, I was 108 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: trained to think that, you know, if you get that 109 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: big thing, this is what will happen. And things like Twilight. 110 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: You know, I knew Taylor from doing Shark boyn Lave 111 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: a Girl. When he got Twilight, it was like he 112 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: blew up overnight. Like people were at his house the 113 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: next day, which is just crazy to think about. So 114 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 3: I think I knew that if I got something like that, 115 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: that is what would happen, and then when it actually 116 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: happens to you, it's very different. I think there was 117 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 3: a couple of components for me that were different. I 118 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: was homeschooled, so I wasn't in that public school setting 119 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: where all of a sudden, you know, everybody knew my name, 120 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 3: and now my dynamic at school has changed, so I 121 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: didn't have that. I was a minor compared to the 122 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: other girls, so I was younger than everybody else. And 123 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 3: as much as I never felt like I was treated 124 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 3: any different, there's just certain ways that people handle you 125 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: that are different considering you're not an adult, and so 126 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: once it became an adult on the show, I would 127 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: say that changed. But as far as like a fan 128 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: experience goes, it's so different until you know, you don't 129 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: know really what it's like until it happens to you. 130 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: I remember the first time I got recognized was before 131 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: the show even came out, so it was just from 132 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: you know, marketing that they had started doing, and somebody 133 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: recognized me while I was in a restaurant, and that 134 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: was so bizarre, and it changed the way that I 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: looked at going out, because you know, the show wasn't out. 136 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: I didn't think that anybody really knew about Prettle Liars yet. 137 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: But they were a fan of the books, and so 138 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: if you're a fan of the books, you're following everything 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: that's you know, coming up and new, and that's how 140 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: they knew about the show. But they recognized me walking 141 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: past a window, and that is such a strange thing. 142 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: And now it doesn't matter if my hair color is different, 143 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: if I'm wearing a hat, if I've got no makeup 144 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: on it, it doesn't matter. People recognize me. And that's 145 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 3: I think such a it's a strange thing. I think 146 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: it's so awesome and I you know, it comes with it, 147 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 3: and I'm thankful for all the people that I've. 148 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: Met along the way. But it it's a very weird. 149 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: Thing to go out in public, and I guess be 150 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: very conscious of the people around you in a way 151 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: that you might not if you're not in that position. 152 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine. And social media was kind of 153 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: starting to become really popular right when the show came out, 154 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: or was it was it even out. 155 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean we were lucky to release around 156 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: the time time that Twitter was first getting popular, so 157 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: you know, you had your Facebook, we had just come 158 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: out of the MySpace phase, which I personally loved. MySpace 159 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: still know how to code because of it. I'm part 160 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: of that. But Twitter had just launched and was actively 161 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: being used, and I think that is what really helped 162 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: us because all of a sudden, now, like I said, 163 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: we were connecting with people all over the world, but 164 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: we were one of the first shows to you know, 165 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: put hashtags on screen and have people live tweeting with us, 166 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 3: and it really helped build our community and that suspense, 167 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: and I think our show did a really good job 168 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: of utilizing that and making sure that people felt involved 169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: in the show. 170 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: And I think that is really the key. 171 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: You know. I feel like if Twitter was around when 172 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: the original Gossip Girl was around, I think they would 173 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: have had a very similar response. And even though obviously 174 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 3: Gossip Girl is massive, if they had that like immediate 175 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: tweeting on you know while the show was airing, I 176 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: think there's something so special about that. And then you know, 177 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: we loved connecting with our fans, so while the show 178 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: is airing and all those hashtags are being shared and 179 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: people were commenting and talking about it live. We were 180 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 3: also participating in that and speaking to our fans because 181 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 3: we care about it so much. So I think it 182 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: just had helped fuel that crazy energy that came from PLO. 183 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Was it hard to find a balance because here you 184 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: are on set shooting a million different scenes and seasons, 185 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: and there's so much work that went into a show 186 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: like this, and now social media is a thing and 187 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: you feel this obligation to be posting and interacting and engaging, Like, 188 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: how do you form that line of peace between work 189 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: and personal life and digital world? Was that a weird 190 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: thing to wrap your head around. 191 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody has ever asked me that question 192 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: in that way, So I mean, thank you for that, 193 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: because it is a weird. It is a weird thing. 194 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: You do feel responsible part of it actually is. I 195 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: don't know if anyone's going to hate me for saying this, 196 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: as far as on our side of the business goes, 197 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: but you are. It's not necessarily legally obligated, but it 198 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 3: kind of is. They really push you to do that. Thankfully, 199 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: I don't hate it. I think it's a really great 200 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of find out, you know, what people 201 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: think and how they're feeling about what you've shot. But 202 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: you have to self monitor. You have to kind of 203 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: check in with yourself and see how you're doing, and 204 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: you know, decide what's best for you at that time, 205 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: and you know what isn't. And I think then with PLL, 206 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't married, I didn't have a kid, 207 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: I didn't have like all these other things in my life. 208 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: Per se. 209 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: It was really just about work and enjoying the experience, 210 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: and so I had a lot more time. Didn't realize 211 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: it back then, I know it now. I had a 212 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: lot more time to focus on that, and I think 213 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: I ended up I took breaks, and I think that's 214 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: the key is to learn what It's almost like checking 215 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 3: in and checking out. You got to figure out what 216 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 3: is right for you. And I think I kind of 217 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 3: naturally felt that. You know, I had lots of health 218 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: issues and a lot of stuff happened to me while 219 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: I was working on the show, and so I think 220 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: I naturally stepped away when I needed to and I 221 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: was around when I could. 222 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: Do you think you would do anything differently looking back 223 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: at your time on that show. 224 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: Ironically, think I would post more, really think I would. Yeah, 225 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 3: I really do. I feel like I now know how 226 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: to better connect and I feel like I did a 227 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: good job back then, but I think I fully understand 228 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: it now and I would, especially with Emerson and all that, 229 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: I was very vocal about supporting it. But I feel 230 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 3: like there are ways that I could have gone even 231 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: further with that. But you know, I don't really have 232 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: any regrets. That would just be something that could have 233 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 3: been better. I feel like is to be even more 234 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 3: involved than I was, even though I really do feel 235 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: like I was present. 236 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: Oh, that must be a good feeling to look back 237 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: and think I did that right, because I know a 238 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: lot of people that I talked to don't always have 239 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: that experience, And I think think when you can fully say, man, 240 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: I really feel like I'm content with how that experience went, 241 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: no matter what industry were in, I think that's a 242 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: beautiful feeling. 243 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And yeah, I mean it's one of those things 244 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: too with the show that that is that successful. 245 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of actors that. 246 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: I mean definitely in the moment feel like, Okay, I've 247 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: liked the itch to do other things and that was 248 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: something with pl that we were one of those last 249 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: shows that had that many episodes. So a lot of 250 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 3: the shows now have you know, eleven fourteen episode seasons 251 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: for the same type of show. I would say we 252 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 3: had between twenty two to twenty five episodes a season. 253 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 3: So we were filming crazy hours for over nine months 254 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: of the year, and we didn't have those breaks to 255 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 3: go and do other things. We had to really, really 256 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 3: really fight to be able to get out for anything, 257 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: and I think that was hard. So it was hard 258 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: on us during that journey. As much as I can, 259 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: I feel like I can speak for everyone when I 260 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: say that we all enjoyed it, we're all thankful for it. 261 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 3: But that is the only bummer I would say. I 262 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: feel like we wouldn't have been burnt out at any 263 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 3: particular time if we were able to kind of stretch 264 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: those other muscles and you know, have a little bit 265 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: more freedom to do other things. 266 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: I think it just naturally. 267 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: You know, as an actor, it kind of it's hard 268 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 3: to play the same character for that long. I was 269 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: lucky in the sense that Ali was never boring. I 270 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: was always doing something ridiculous. I was always showing different 271 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: colors based on, you know, whatever we were revealing at 272 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: the time. But it's difficult to play the same character 273 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: on the same level for that long, So you know, 274 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: there's complicated things. But I like to call it a 275 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: champagne problem. 276 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: Who I like that a champagne problem. 277 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 278 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: How many times do you see in your comments or 279 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: dms or on social media people asking, Hey, are we 280 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: ever going to get a reunion? Are you in the 281 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: i's going to get together? Do you still see that? 282 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely a lot every day? Really? 283 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: Wow? 284 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: Which is it only shows that you did something right? 285 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't say no, I know, for all 286 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: of us, it would have to be the right thing 287 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: in a way. You know, I'm very protective of Alison. 288 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: We did that spin off, The Perfectionists, and I was 289 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: bummed about that. 290 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't think that it was done right. Really. 291 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: That cast was a lot of fun and extremely talented, 292 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: but I kind of wish it was done completely differently. 293 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: I think we it was kind of essentially what I 294 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: was afraid of, And I think why so many of 295 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: us are afraid of sequels or afraid of kind of 296 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: ruining the original thing that we did, And that's that's 297 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: whys you want to always do the character justice and 298 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: Emerson was so important to me and the fans. For 299 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: those who don't know, Alison my character and Emily another 300 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: character had a relationship and it was so important to 301 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: our entire show through all seven seasons, and it ended 302 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: on a note where they were together, they were strong. 303 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: They'd worked through so much garbage. 304 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: Can I square on this? 305 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 306 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so much shit. They worked through so much. 307 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: I have such a bad potty mouth, and I okay, okay, 308 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: so glad to know, but you know, they'd worked through 309 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: so much, and then to go and do a spin 310 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 3: off where that wasn't the case, where they weren't together 311 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: anymore or really made me upset on a lot of 312 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: different levels. 313 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: That was really unfortunate. 314 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 3: So I guess if we you know, to answer your 315 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: previous question about going back doing something different, I would 316 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: have either not done it or I would have really 317 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: fought to change the storyline because I was not happy 318 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: with it, and you know, some of those things, it 319 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: just kind of is what it is. So in a way, 320 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: if we did something like a sequel or a movie, 321 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: or you know, whatever it may be, that would be 322 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: my stipulation is that we turned that around. 323 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: I almost forgot about that entire relationship because now you 324 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: see so many same sex couples and right, very great, 325 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: it's great, and I still think there's work that needs 326 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: to be done, but we are seeing a lot more 327 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: of it. But your show, I feel like, was one 328 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: of the most early representations of a same sex couple. 329 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is I feel so honored to have been 330 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 3: a part of that. I really really do, which is 331 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: again why I'm so protective of it. But I feel 332 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: like while we were shooting it, we knew that and 333 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: didn't know it like it felt so natural, It felt 334 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: like the way to go. I really couldn't have seen 335 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: that go any other way. As far as you know, 336 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: they were meant to be together, I think everybody always knew, 337 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: like they need they need that, we need. 338 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: That, the fans need that. 339 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: But we were one of the first, if not the first, 340 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: as far as a teen show goes in that light, 341 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: to be that consistent thread throughout the show, not just 342 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: like this one off thing that like we check the box, 343 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: which I hate, hate that. Glad that we were not that. 344 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: And I also really respect the way that we were 345 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: kind of showing different types of relationships as far as 346 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: you know, different dynamics. But then also the way that 347 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 3: Emily came out to her parents. I love that they 348 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: weren't just like open arms, you know, this is what 349 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: it is. 350 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: It was. 351 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 3: Her mom had a really tough time with it, her 352 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: dad didn't, and I think that was really important to 353 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: show that, you know, we're not going to just tell 354 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: you that it's all rainbows and that you can just 355 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: you know, come out and then everything's fine. That's not 356 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 3: the case. That's not reality. Unfortunately, some people are really shitty, 357 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: and then other times people surprise you and it's beautiful. 358 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: Her dad surprised her, her mom did not, And as 359 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: sad and frustrating as that is, we showed that friends 360 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: come around you and when you have your people that 361 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: you've chosen as your family, you're going to be all right. 362 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: And I think that was really cool and I think 363 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 3: that really helped people around the world. 364 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: And I if I've done. 365 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: Conventions or if it's just people, you know, talking on 366 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: social media, I've seen that where people have come together 367 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: around the world and maybe their experience wasn't so great, 368 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: but they found their people, and often it was because 369 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 3: of PLL and just fans randomly around the world that 370 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: actually fly to visit each other and really formed amazing 371 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: lifelong friendships. So that I think is something that I'm 372 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 3: most proud of is that we created an environment where 373 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: it was safe. 374 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: Man, And when art can heal and bring people together, yes, 375 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: then you've known you did a pretty damn good job 376 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: creating the character you did, and that's a testament to 377 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: all of the work that you guys did. I know, 378 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: life takes us in a million different directions, so of 379 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: course it's so hard to keep in touch with everyone. 380 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: But would you say you and the girls have forever 381 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: formed a sisterhood. 382 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean we spent so much time together. 383 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: And I would say too, for the amount of estrogen 384 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 3: that was on our set, I think we all did 385 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: very well. 386 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: But it really is a sisterhood. 387 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: You know, and we're all you know, getting married or 388 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 3: having babies or just in general, our lives are going 389 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: in directions that whenever we see each other or you know, 390 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: we've got our group chat, and it just it's something 391 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: that I think we will I don't see that ever 392 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: going away. You know, we are We've shared such a cool, 393 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: strong experience that is so important in all of our 394 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: lives and many capacities, and to see us all grow 395 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: and change and go through life in different ways is 396 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: just so cool. 397 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: Oh that's a beautiful thing. And everyone has a new 398 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: chapter and I'm sure you all support each other and 399 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: you have had many things go on since the show 400 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: and did. But one of the things I'm excited to 401 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: talk to you about is your podcast, which is called 402 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: Women in the Nude. Yes, it is a fantastic title. 403 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: So tell me about this podcast. 404 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: Thanks. 405 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 406 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: So I started Women in the Nude. I really wanted 407 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 2: to start a podcast. 408 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: It was just kind of those things, that thing that 409 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: was like kind of rolling O around in my head 410 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: where I was. 411 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: I was like, I love podcasts. 412 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: You know, this is something that I enjoy that I 413 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 3: get a lot of I guess knowledge from. We find 414 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: random information on podcasts that really help, whether that's self 415 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 3: help or if it's just listening to cool people that 416 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: you never knew existed or celebrities telling you things about 417 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: themselves that you never knew. I really enjoyed the concept, 418 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: and so I was like, well, what could I do? 419 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 3: What is important to me? I wanted it to be 420 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: something that could help people, and I know, for me 421 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: and my experience. I've been lucky to have some incredible 422 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: women around me, but I did find it difficult to 423 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 3: build a strong community of women growing up. It was 424 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 3: hard for me to make really good girlfriends. I have 425 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: my best best friend, Jalen, and I have some amazing 426 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: women in my life after that that I had to 427 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 3: really seek out and form those relationships. 428 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: It didn't come easy. 429 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 3: I just always connected with men better to be frank, 430 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: I had guy friends. I had lots of guy friends, 431 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 3: and I had my best friend Jayleen, and she's wonderful, 432 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: and I didn't think I needed anything else. But as 433 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: I got older, there are certain things that women deal 434 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: with that men don't, you know, And it's as simple 435 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 3: as that. You can find some incredible men, which I 436 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: have a lot of them in my life, that are 437 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: empathetic and sympathized with whatever is going on, but they 438 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 3: don't they can't completely understand it like another woman can. 439 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: And so I have really worked on in my own 440 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: life finding those women. And I wanted to give that 441 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: to other people. I wanted to give it to whoever 442 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 3: wanted to listen, but women in particular, to show them 443 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: that the things that they're going through You're not alone. 444 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: You might feel crazy, You're not crazy. These things happened to, 445 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: you know, every woman or lots of women, and here's 446 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: how other people deal with it. And I wanted to 447 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: make sure that it was people that had unique jobs 448 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: or were in unique situations so that they could give 449 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: some sort of insight that could maybe also not just 450 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: make you feel included and related to, but could inspire 451 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: you to do other things that you hadn't thought of before. 452 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: You know, I have someone like Kennis Nelson on my 453 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: show recently, who is incredible. If you don't know who 454 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 3: she is, she is the creator of Sprinkle's Cupcakes, and 455 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: she is an incredible business woman and she's got so 456 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 3: much to offer and her journey is so fascinating, and 457 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 3: she's so empowering for other women who not only just 458 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: want to be in business, but just in general, I 459 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: want to believe in themselves and how to do that, 460 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 3: how to accomplish that. And so whether it's women's health, 461 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: whether it's women's rights, whether it's women in business, motherhood, 462 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: we cover so many different subjects that unfortunately tend to 463 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 3: be taboo. So I'm proud of that. I'm proud to 464 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: start that we're only in our first season. You know, 465 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 3: we're finding our legs. But I really really enjoyed it. 466 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: It's a phenomenal show. I like that you have such 467 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: a a clear point of view, a clear perspective. You're 468 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: bringing powerful people together to help other people, which I 469 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: think is so important in this day and age. Was 470 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: there a conversation you've had on the show that was 471 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: a more difficult one for you to engage in? 472 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I feel very comfortable talking about 473 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 3: PCOS now, which is polycystico ray syndrome, which is part 474 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 3: of what I was dealing with on the show. But 475 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 3: you know, you tend to talk to other people that 476 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: have those experiences, and I feel like it gets kind 477 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: of emotional. I've definitely revealed parts of myself that you know, 478 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: I haven't traditionally in other forms. 479 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: Talking about health. 480 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: Or my health journey in particular, is I would say, 481 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 3: a sensitive one. You know, it's very raw. I've done 482 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: a lot of work to get past it. But I 483 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: feel like I've talked about it on several episodes, always 484 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: slightly different, always just a little bit more in one direction, 485 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 3: very truthful, very raw. 486 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: I don't think there's any point in hiding it. 487 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 3: And you know, I think health journeys are so important 488 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: to share. Everybody has a different version of it, everybody 489 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: struggled with it in different ways. But I think that's 490 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 3: probably the most raw. I like to pull other things 491 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: from other places, Like I think sex is a big one. 492 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: We are so scared in so many ways of talking 493 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 3: about women having sex, and I want to shatter that 494 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 3: because you know, we shouldn't be the exception. We shouldn't 495 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: be the ones that like can't talk about it or 496 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: feel shame for you know, for whatever reason you want 497 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: to insert in the blank there. So I'm really excited 498 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: to have this other guest on soon who is a 499 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: professor who literally specializes in women's pleasure, which I think 500 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: is fascinating. So having women on like that that are 501 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: breaking those walls down, it is just really important to me. 502 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: And two things. When you open up about your health 503 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: journey on your show, I think you mentioned I forget 504 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: which episode it was, but about the weight gain and 505 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: how that was during PLLL and working in entertainment, I 506 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: see all the press and headlines all the time, and 507 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that went everywhere as if yeah, people 508 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: never gain weight when they go through a health issue, right, 509 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: and it's like going back to your point of maybe 510 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: taboo or you don't talk about it, or whatever the 511 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: case may be. It's so insane to me because it's 512 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: a very normal thing, and yet when people hear it, 513 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, that's a headline. We've never 514 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: seen that before. So I like that you're deconstructing that. 515 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 516 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And you know, it's one of those things where 517 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: when in the moment when I was going through it, 518 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: I didn't know why, and I had this moment of like, 519 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: I get it. I get why people are so hyper 520 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: focused on it. I don't like it, I don't agree 521 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: with it. But here's the thing. When something changes and 522 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 3: you don't know why, it's something to talk about. So 523 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: I wasn't giving anybody an answer. I didn't have the answer. 524 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: But it's the assumption that I think we have as 525 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: a society. It's this maybe even just a human thing, 526 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: maybe it's not just society currently as a whole. I 527 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: think it is one of those things where you want 528 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: to know the answer to something, and people in the 529 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 3: public eye are like fair game to so many people. 530 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: That's why they comment anything on their pages. They either 531 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: just don't think that they're going to see it, or 532 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: you know, who cares about that person. They're in the 533 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: public eye, so you know they're asking for it essentially, 534 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 3: And so I think it was one of those things 535 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: where like people were trying to find the answer. It 536 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 3: was a popular show. They saw me change on the show, 537 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 3: and so it's like, well, is she pregnant? They wanted 538 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: an answer and I couldn't give it to them, and 539 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: you know, I shouldn't feel obligated necessarily to give them 540 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: that answer, but I kind of had a moment of 541 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 3: understanding where I was like, I haven't addressed it. People 542 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: don't know what the reason is. Yeah, I do look different. 543 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: It shouldn't matter, but you know, to them, somebody that 544 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: is inspecting me, essentially intentionally or unintentionally. I haven't given 545 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 3: a reason. And I remember I posted something that was 546 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 3: like under construction, which is so cheesy now, but I 547 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 3: posted that, and the reason was because I wanted to 548 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: address it and I didn't know any other way to 549 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 3: do it because I didn't have an answer. So essentially 550 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 3: it was just I'm under construction. I'm figuring my shit out. 551 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, and so you know, 552 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: that's the only answer I can give you, and you 553 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: can take that with you know, however you want to 554 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: take it. You can take it the way that you feel, 555 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: you know necessary. But I think it truly is that 556 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: like search for an answer. I think that's why we're 557 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 3: so interested in celebrities relationships and their choices in life, 558 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: because it's like, well, why are they dating that person? Well, 559 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 3: why why were they here? Well there has to be 560 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: a reason. We have to connect all of these dots. 561 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: We have to know all of these things about their lives. 562 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: And to your point, when people go through health issues, 563 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: weaightain is a really popular symptom side effect. You know, 564 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 3: your hormones, different medications. There are so many reasons for 565 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: wake gain that are not as far as women go, 566 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: you're pregnant. But I think it's the most exciting thing 567 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: in social media. It's one of those things where it's like, oh, 568 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 3: if they're pregnant, and then it's like whose baby is it? 569 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: And then it you know, then. 570 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: It's like pregnant, fashion pregnancy or a maternity where which 571 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: I love. 572 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: But actually that's a good example too. 573 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 3: I was not we were in the middle of COVID 574 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 3: and because of my pcos I didn't have an easy pregnancy, 575 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 3: so I wasn't the girl out on the red carpet 576 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: with a cute bump. And so there's all of these 577 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: psychological things that you might not have to deal with 578 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: if you're not in the spotlight. And I never want 579 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: to say that I'm what's the right word, you know, 580 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 3: there's a lot of celebrities that are like, you know, 581 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: I just want my private life, and obviously there are 582 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: times where I do, but I think there is it's 583 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: important to acknowledge the fact that it comes along with 584 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: our industry and it means that you're successful. So it's 585 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: a double edged sword. And I don't like to get 586 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: mad at fans or people that are interested in your 587 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: life for being interested in your life, because essentially it's 588 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: why you're successful. Especially these days, your followers matter. Your 589 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: follower count equals getting hired for something over somebody else. 590 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: Often it doesn't matter about talent, and so our followers matter. 591 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: And so the fact that you're mad at the public 592 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: eye for wanting to be interested in your life is 593 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: kind of you either just have to get out of 594 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: the industry or you have to say in the industry, 595 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 3: it's a part of it. I don't know if I'm 596 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: making sense in that way, but it's something that comes 597 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 3: along with the business, and either you accept it or 598 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: you get out of the business. And it doesn't mean 599 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 3: that you can't go through a hard time with your 600 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: mental health naturally. It's something that's extremely difficult with your 601 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: mental health, trying to wrap your head around what you 602 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: can and cannot do the way that you want to 603 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: be seen in the public eye. There's so much to 604 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: unravel there, and all of those feelings are valid, but 605 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: I think oftentimes the anger is misplaced. 606 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: How have you gotten to such a peaceful place in 607 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: your work and in life and have such clarity and 608 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: have this mindset of you know what you're in, you 609 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: know what you're going to get, and you just have 610 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: to learn how to manage and balance it all because 611 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have that in whatever industry 612 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: or career they choose. But you seem like a very realistic, 613 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: practical kind of person. Have you always been like that 614 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: or that just came as you've evolved? 615 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that. 616 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a little bit about knowing kind 617 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: of like I said before, about fame. You know, if 618 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: you know one plus one equs two essentially right, So 619 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 3: it's like knowing that that's something that could come along 620 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: with it, and in a backwards way wanting it. You know, 621 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: I don't want people to be right outside my door. 622 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 3: That does feel like, you know, a hard thing to 623 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: deal with with your privacy, but in the same token, 624 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: also like it's a sign of success. So I think 625 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: I've come to peace or I'm at peace with the 626 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 3: fact that that is a part of the industry. And 627 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 3: I think it's because I've been in the industry for 628 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: so long that I just I try and look at 629 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: it through a different lens of understanding of like you said, practicality, 630 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: because essentially that's you're gonna have to it's like you 631 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: laugh or you cry, you know what I mean. It's 632 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: like that is the type of I think the only 633 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 3: way to look at it to have peace. It's like 634 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: it's something that's not going to change, and actually if 635 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: it changes, there's a different issue. So this is the landscape. 636 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 3: Where do you fall, Where is your balance? How do 637 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: you get value out of life? How do you find 638 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 3: your peace? And you know, I'm definitely not always like that. 639 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: But that's always my goal is to deal with it 640 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: in a way that is as healthy as possible. 641 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: To understand what. 642 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: The type of boundaries that I need to make that possible, 643 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 3: and what I want to keep private and what I 644 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 3: want to show. 645 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: I think that's also a part of it. 646 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 3: I think all of those things are possible, but it 647 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: takes work everything in life. Like you said, it's every 648 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 3: different type of career path, it's every different walk of 649 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: life where we have to make those decisions. Otherwise we 650 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 3: just kind of are stagnant or we are letting ourselves 651 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: suffer unnecessarily. 652 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: Do you still get fulfillment out of being an actor? 653 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: Does it still stimulate you in every sense of the 654 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: craft or are there other things that you want to 655 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: do and pursue. 656 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: I would say both. 657 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: I mean absolutely, my first love as far as career goes, 658 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: will always be acting. Again, I've been in the industry 659 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 3: so long that I've had the privilege of starting to 660 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: really understand every different type of job on set, and 661 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: it's made me really want to be a director. I've 662 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: gotten into writing and producing and I really do want 663 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: to start directing. 664 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 2: And I think one. 665 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: Of the most important roles as a director, and unfortunately, 666 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: even with a lot of directors that I've worked with, 667 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 3: it's not maybe the one that either comes easiest or 668 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 3: the one that they don't know yet. The most important 669 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 3: thing is relying on the strengths of all of the 670 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: other people around you, the ones that are qualified to 671 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: do their jobs really well. You know, you're not the 672 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: smartest person in the room, and I think that's a 673 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: really important thing with leadership, is knowing the types of 674 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 3: people that you need to surround yourself with. I think 675 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: I've learned a lot of lessons from really talented people. 676 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 3: I've also learned a lot of what not to do, 677 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: and arming yourself with all of those things I think 678 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: is truly important and I can't wait for that next 679 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: stage in my career. I've got other businesses that I've 680 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: been doing on the side that are not entertainment related. 681 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: Actually very excited. I've started my own low dose hemp 682 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: derived TCA beverage, and myself and three co founders are 683 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 3: on that journey, which is really exciting and more and 684 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 3: more we'll be shared about that soon. But yeah, I've 685 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 3: kind of got my hands and everything, so it's it's exciting. 686 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 2: I do feel like our industry is so. 687 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 3: Thick goal in so many ways that you kind of 688 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 3: have to and I do have lots of different passions 689 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: and lots of different areas, and you know, aside from 690 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: the podcast and that just in general the things that 691 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: I enjoy as far as hobbies go, you know, I 692 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 3: try to always make sure that I'm stimulated in those ways, 693 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: make sure that my passions are always being fed to 694 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: the best of my ability, and obviously being a mom 695 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 3: is top of that priority list. It's such a fun journey. 696 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I've got a lot going on all 697 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 3: the time. I struggle to keep my head above water 698 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 3: because of how busy we are. 699 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 2: But I love that. 700 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 3: I feel like without that, I would be bored and 701 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 3: not and you know, not stimulated. Not. I hate to 702 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 3: say happy, because I feel like there's always, you know, 703 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 3: a way to find joy in things. But I don't 704 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 3: want to ever not be busy, if that makes sense. 705 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you're beaming. I mean, you're you're somebody 706 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 1: who is making life what she wants it to be. 707 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: And I think that is so cool that you are 708 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: allowing yourself to have other interests and you know what 709 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: your love is and your passion is and what you 710 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: desire and what you want and you can do a 711 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: bunch of different things. That's the day and age we 712 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: live in, right And you're somebody that is creative and 713 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: an artist and you're sprinkling your talents all over the place, 714 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: which I think is a really cool thing. So I'm 715 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: excited to keep hearing what you have in the pipeline 716 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: and all of the things sound amazing. 717 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. 718 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 3: I do want to mention that, you know, I appreciate 719 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 3: you say that. I'm like that I'm beaming because I am. 720 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: I do feel really fulfilled. It's not always like that. 721 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: I think that's also something important, is like I have 722 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: my bad days, you know, and I need reminders like this, 723 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 3: just talking to you about this, It's like yes, like 724 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: that is what I am making my life what I 725 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 3: want it to be. And I want to credit my 726 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 3: husband with that actually, because when I have those low moments, 727 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 3: I'm so thankful that I have him to be like, no, 728 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, this is your value, this is what you want, 729 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: go get it. And I think we all need people 730 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: in our lives like that that when we are not 731 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: feeling our strongest, you know that has never faltered for them, 732 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: and I'm lucky to have found those people who are 733 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: there to you know, pick me up when I'm having 734 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: a low moment. And that is my want for everyone, honestly, 735 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: Like I'm rooting for people to find those people in 736 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 3: their lives because it makes all of the difference. It 737 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 3: is hard to be your champion, your own champion twenty 738 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 3: four to seven. Nobody is capable of that. It's it's exhausting. 739 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to surround yourself with people that lift 740 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 1: you and inspire you and that you do the same 741 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: for and that sometimes means, you know, weeding out people 742 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: throughout your life that aren't doing that, and that's okay too. 743 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: So I love that message. And to have a friend, 744 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: a partner, just somebody who gives you that encouragement is 745 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: so important. You have been so incredibly open, and I 746 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: know you have your podcast now where you're very open 747 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: as well. But the name of the show is I've 748 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: never said this before, and I am wondering if there 749 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: is anything that you can think of that you've never 750 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: said before. 751 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 3: So I've been like really thinking hard about these and 752 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: I've stressed myself out. But I love this question and 753 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 3: I love that you ask this question. It's a question 754 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 3: that I don't think I've ever been really asked before, 755 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 3: and it made me laugh while I was thinking, you know, 756 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 3: about what to say, because I also was like, I've 757 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 3: kept secrets for like a decade because of PLL and 758 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 3: I I guess I am so good at it that 759 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 3: or I guess not so good at it in my 760 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 3: personal life, because I'm like, what have I never told anybody? 761 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: But awesome question. I have got a silly one, and 762 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 3: I guess I've got a rather deep one that's going 763 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 3: to sound really depressing, just kind of why I don't 764 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 3: want to say that one, but I'm going to say 765 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 3: it anyway, because I think it is as much as 766 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 3: I've never said it out loud, I think it is 767 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: something that a lot of. 768 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 2: Parents deal with. 769 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 3: My I guess thing that I've never told anybody is 770 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 3: I stress about it every night. I hate I fear 771 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: not being around to see Hendricks grow up, which is 772 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 3: so sadful, sad, But I think a lot of parents 773 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 3: do that. 774 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm going to cry. I've never said 775 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: it out loud. Yeah, I've got a silly one. 776 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. Of course, that's something that 777 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: it isn't depressing. I think that I'm not a parent, 778 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: but I can imagine when you love a little human 779 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: so much and they've come and they're your baby, that 780 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you worry about that? 781 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 2: I did not expect to do this, so that. 782 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: No, no, I really got funny one. 783 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 3: Okay, funny one is that I hate being tickled, really, 784 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 3: I hate it. 785 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: It is my pet peeve. Don't ever tickle me? 786 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,920 Speaker 1: There you go, because they're super ticklish. 787 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 2: I'm so ticklish and it like makes me angry. 788 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: That's hysterical. All right, nobody ever tickle Sasha ever. Not. Okay. 789 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: I love those two things and they seriously, seriously thank 790 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: you again for sharing that. I know it's always, yeah, 791 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: hard and sometimes uncomfortable being vulnerable, but especially as a parent. 792 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of, at least from the 793 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: friends I have who are parents, parent guilt and parent anxiety. 794 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 2: My gosh, mom guilt is insane. 795 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and parents feel silly for things that they fear 796 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: or things. So I think you putting that out there 797 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: will make a lot of other parents listening say, oh 798 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: my god, she feels that too. It's not weird, it's 799 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: not abnormal. It's just a thing. 800 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not. 801 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,919 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, Sasha, and I promise I will 802 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: never tickle you. 803 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate that I couldn't I. 804 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: Have enjoyed this conversation more. I seriously, when we met 805 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: during the pandemic and I interviewed you, and I've interviewed 806 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people, I left that 807 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: conversation saying, oh my god, this woman is such a light. 808 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: And she is so emotionally engaging and stimulating and real 809 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: and raw. And I think that thank you for anybody 810 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: in this day and age to go through life with 811 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: those capabilities and that compassion is a really important thing, 812 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: and you, my friend, you have it. 813 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 3: Oh. 814 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. 815 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 3: It means a lot. I love talking with you. Thank 816 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 3: you for having me on. I really appreciate it anytime 817 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 3: I'm here. 818 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. While we look forward to hearing 819 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: more from you in the future. And everybody can check 820 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: out the podcast. Where can we listen to your podcast? 821 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 3: So my podcast is Women in the Nude. You can 822 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 3: find it on Spotify, you can find it on Apple. 823 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 3: You can go to my channel Sasha Petersa on YouTube 824 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 3: and find our videos there as well. If you go 825 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 3: to Sofsha Petersa on Instagram you will find all of 826 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: that information as well. 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