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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome again to Inside the Draft here on Colts

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming back again. I'm Matt Taylor, joined with

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Speaker 2: Casey Value inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio.

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Speaker 2: And we're two weeks away from draft weekend, Round one Thursday,

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Speaker 2: April twenty fifth, with the Colts holding seven picks, one

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Speaker 2: in each round currently and they select fifteenth overall. Coming

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Speaker 2: up on night number one, and our guest today is

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Speaker 2: Shane Hallam, talking all things Draft, the managing partner at

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft analyst at Draftcountdown dot Com. Shane, always good

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Speaker 2: to have you back this time of year. You've got

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Speaker 2: your latest mock draft out seven rounds in fact, and

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Speaker 2: you've got the Colts drafting Terry On Arnold at number fifteen,

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Speaker 2: the corner out of Alabama. What about the cornerback position?

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Speaker 2: What about Arnold's game makes sense for the Colts in

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Speaker 2: the first round? Why that spot so early?

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Speaker 3: I think it's wide open on that right cornerback spot.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it maybe it's Dallas Flowers, maybe it's Shalen Jones,

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Speaker 3: but ultimately I think they draft someone pretty high in

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Speaker 3: the top one hundred to be that replacement. In this

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Speaker 3: mock draft, the corners kind of fell a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and that, you know, that to me was, Hey, the

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Speaker 3: Colts would jump at this opportunity to draft to Terry

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Speaker 3: and Arnold, who a lot of teams have as the

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Speaker 3: top corner on their board. Highly athletic, He's a ninety

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Speaker 3: two to ninety three percent athlete, which you know is

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Speaker 3: required for the Colts to make that pick. The ball

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Speaker 3: playing safety corner who could play a little bit of

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Speaker 3: safety as needed. I think he just fits the bill

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Speaker 3: on that other side to be potentially a lockdown corner

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Speaker 4: Now, sticking with that, Shane, you talk about Terry and Arnold,

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Speaker 4: that's the eye we've heard, you know, for a couple

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Speaker 4: of months. Now, same with Quinnon Mitchell, those two top

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Speaker 4: guys in this draft. Let's say the Colts go another

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Speaker 4: direction there at fifteen, but still need a corner and

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Speaker 4: they're looking for one in the draft. How deep does

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Speaker 4: this corner group go outside of your Arnold's and Mitchell

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Speaker 4: Pretty deep?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good cornerback class. Especially in the

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Speaker 3: first two days. You see a lot of players who

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Speaker 3: are going to go in Day two and I think

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Speaker 3: will become starters. Max Milton out of Rutgers, the player

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Speaker 3: that's gained a lot of steam who ran a four

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Speaker 3: or three. Mike Sandra's still out of Michigan, had a

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Speaker 3: great playoff performance, So I think that there's a ton

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Speaker 3: of those Day two corners. If the Colts passive values

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Speaker 3: don't like Nate Wiggins out of Clemson or Kyd mckinstree,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. Then I think you can look to day

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Speaker 3: two and still get a highly athletic corner that has

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Speaker 3: starting potential. And I even think day two, round two,

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Speaker 3: round three has some of the more physical corners. If

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Speaker 3: that's high on their priority list, then that's where you

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Speaker 3: can get a Cam Hart at a Notre Dame or

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Speaker 4: Now, when you look at this draft, a lot of

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Speaker 4: people at the tight end spot have talked about brock Bauers,

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Speaker 4: but going back to your mock draft. In the second round,

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Speaker 4: you have the Colts taking Jared Wiley out of TCU.

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Speaker 4: He's a guy that I'm not going to lie to you,

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Speaker 4: I'm not super familiar with his game. Where do you

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Speaker 4: see out of that that tight end out of TCU

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Speaker 3: I think Jared Wiley is kind of a sneaky choice

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Speaker 3: player who was very productive at TCU, had you know,

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Speaker 3: eight touchdowns this past season. It kind of is in

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Speaker 3: a similar mold to what they drafted with Chelon he

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Speaker 3: Over six six, two hundred and forty nine pounds, he

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Speaker 3: I think Jared Wiley would give them an instant starter.

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Speaker 3: He has the size, he has the arm wing block,

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Speaker 3: I mean he can run and he'll run through you.

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Speaker 2: Is going to well, I want to double back to

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Speaker 2: to Quinnon Mitchell. I think it's a fascinating conversation because

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Speaker 2: the beat on him. As you know, obviously he's the

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Speaker 2: consensus best corner in this draft. You've got him going

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Speaker 2: pretty high, maybe a little bit higher than than most, Shane,

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Speaker 2: You've got him going eighth to the Falcons. Now if

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Speaker 2: he somehow slips to the Colts, if he's there at

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Speaker 2: pick number fifteen and the Colts select him in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the first round. Here, Shane, how much of

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Speaker 2: a steal would that be for the Colts to get

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Speaker 3: Slim though, I would if I was the Colts, I

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Speaker 3: draft Quinnon Mitchell because he is the perfect fit for

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Speaker 3: the defense. I have him right as a top ten

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Speaker 3: only really knock that I have with qute on Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: But I think he has the type of player at

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Speaker 2: Right, something else that's interesting here, you only have three

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Speaker 2: up with Michael Pittman Junior and Josh Downs, how how

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Speaker 2: reluctant would you be to go cornerback if those guys

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Speaker 3: I think in those top two corners in Mitchell and Arnold,

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Speaker 3: You're worthy of the Texas wide receivers because Thomas led

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Speaker 3: But Thomas, I think it would be the perfect match

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Speaker 4: Team now sticking with that wide receiver group, it looks

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Speaker 4: But you look at the talent that you have in

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Speaker 3: Guys, I can see it. I think it's actually more

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Speaker 3: then the fourth quarterback off the board. I think people,

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Speaker 3: as we always do every year, we overhype the quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: will Love is false a round too, and that's what happens.

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Speaker 3: But wide receiver is so talented, and I mean Harrison

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Speaker 4: Now we've heard about JJ McCarthy being that fourth quarterback

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Speaker 4: off the board. Do you think there's a fifth quarterback

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Speaker 3: I'll never say never. Anything can happen in the NFL draft.

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Speaker 3: I think that teams are getting wiser about the quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: They you know, are looking at the full body of work.

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Speaker 3: to get that fifth year option. I tend to lean

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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the best pure passers in

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Speaker 3: the spike Penis is this great workout, He's not super mobile,

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Speaker 3: I do Thinke Bonux from Oregon is attractive to certain systems.

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Speaker 3: Certain teams will have him as the quarterback four or

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Speaker 3: five in this draft, but I would expect both those

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Speaker 2: Speaking of quarterbacks, all right, so this is kind of

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Speaker 2: a weird one. Bear with me here, Shane. All Right,

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Speaker 2: if you go back to twenty eighteen, twenty one quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: have been selected in the first round. That includes eighteen

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Speaker 2: of those twenty one with a top fifteen pick. Six

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Speaker 2: no longer with the team that drafted them. Latest guys

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Speaker 2: you've gotten, like you know, justin fields and Mac and

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Speaker 2: you know who knows what's gonna happen with Zach Wilson

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Speaker 2: in New York. So let's go Caleb Williams in this draft.

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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels Drake may which one will be the franchise

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Speaker 2: quarterback and which one might be the in the nomad

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Speaker 2: know that's tough to do.

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Speaker 3: It is especially when of the top three guys in

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Speaker 3: despite those stats. The guy that's been picked at number

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Speaker 2: All Right, here's another interesting one. You got the Colts,

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Speaker 3: I think there could be some jockeying for position there.

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Speaker 3: I mean we've definitely seen, especially last year, teams not

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Speaker 4: Why my final question for you, and this is kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So for me, I mean I think that there's

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll see how it all shakes out there

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Speaker 2: in that regard. All right, Shane, what are you writing

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Speaker 2: about in posting soon?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: The next couple of weeks leading into round number one.

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Speaker 2: On Draft countdown dot com.

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Speaker 3: I have my seven round block draft that you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: It came out this week, so definitely check that out.

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Speaker 3: And I just came out with an article with all

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Speaker 3: next week with running backs, receivers and tight ends. So

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Speaker 3: got on a draft countdown and check all those out.

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Speaker 1: And what about actual draft weekend draft nights? What are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Where can we find you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find us on draft counting dot com.

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Speaker 3: We'll be live streaming on our YouTube channels. You can

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be live streaming all three days, so even

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Speaker 3: We're going every minute of the draft. We'll bring it

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Speaker 3: to you. My goal, as I have every year, is

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Speaker 3: to have watched every single player drafted. That will happen again.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how close have you come to that in the past?

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Speaker 3: Last year? Last year I got it, and then two

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Speaker 3: years ago it was the cults actually that screwed me over.

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Speaker 3: In the seventh rounds.

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Speaker 1: Was it Jake Wit or Titus Leo or who got you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It was the was the safety out of Yale,

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Speaker 3: of the old Princeton, Yeah, Rodney, Roddie Thomas, that that

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Speaker 3: got me in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, the old Bulldog there got you towards the

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Speaker 2: end of the day.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know it man.

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Speaker 2: That's good stuff. That is Shanehallimdraft Countdown dot Com Mini.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time and help. It's it's always a

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Speaker 2: pleasure to talk to you this time of year and

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Speaker 2: best luck with all that coverage you talked about coming up,

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Speaker 2: and love to do it again soon after the draft

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Speaker 2: if you're up for it to recap things.

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Speaker 1: Shane, thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we'll talk again. Thanks so much for having

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Speaker 3: me