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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 1: Jason McIntire, Straight Fire, Tuesday, November. I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: excited about this show, and the problem is I really

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Speaker 1: want to go in on Tom Brady. And it's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful Thanksgiving week. We've got a lot to be thankful

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Speaker 1: for here in this shitty year that has been. But

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Speaker 1: oh man, it's it's gonna be tough for me to

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Speaker 1: hold back, folks. Um and not just because I was

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Speaker 1: on the Bucks in the contest. I gave it out

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Speaker 1: on Friday's podcast, loved the Bucks in this spot, and folks,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way to slice it other

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Speaker 1: than Tom Brady looks totally washed. I mean, you saw

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Speaker 1: him in that game, folks. It was an embarrassment. One

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Speaker 1: for nine on passes fifteen or more yards downfield with

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Speaker 1: two interceptions. The Rams don't respect his arm. Good defenses

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Speaker 1: don't respect tom Brady's arm. It's okay to say tom

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Speaker 1: Brady's washed and then say it's fine He's the greatest

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Speaker 1: player to play quarterback in NFL history. Both these things

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Speaker 1: can be true. He can be the greatest of all

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Speaker 1: time and currently look washed that's the problem Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: right now with an elite skill position set. He got

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Speaker 1: his guy Gronk, he got Leonard four net for nothing,

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Speaker 1: Godwin Evans, they got Antonio Brown. Tom Brady attempted on

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Speaker 1: Monday night football passes for a total of two d

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Speaker 1: And the Rams were sitting on everything because they know

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Speaker 1: Brady don't have the arm. He doesn't have it. He's

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Speaker 1: faced four good defenses this year. They haven't beaten any

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Speaker 1: of them. The Saints totally shut down Brady twice, and

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Speaker 1: I you know, I thought that after the opener, you know,

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Speaker 1: Brady wasn't that bad. And you know, if you squint

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Speaker 1: really hard, both interceptions, you know the pick six was bad,

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Speaker 1: but the other one not totally on him. And that's

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Speaker 1: when you start making excuses because he's Tom Brady. But

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Speaker 1: then you remove the emotion from it and you just

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Speaker 1: look with a clear eye, you say, man, he does

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Speaker 1: not look like a good quarterback. Jared Goff outplayed him.

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Speaker 1: There's no denying that. That's straight up. Jared Goff just

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Speaker 1: bite two bad interceptions trying to give the game away.

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff definitely outplayed Tom Brady on Weday Night Football. Goff,

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Speaker 1: by the way, fifty one passes, three d and seventies

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Speaker 1: six yards. By the way, Cooper Cup was the best

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Speaker 1: receiver on the field. I don't want to hear it

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Speaker 1: like Cooper Cup is unguardable. I mean, that guy is phenomenal,

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Speaker 1: and I don't This is not a Bucks team that

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Speaker 1: you have to worry about in the playoffs. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't see what's gonna change. Tom Brady's arm is not

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Speaker 1: magically gonna be able to uncorked passes down the field

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Speaker 1: that you have to respect. He's not even close on

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Speaker 1: some of these deep shots. And you know how we

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Speaker 1: talked about on Monday when Pat Mahomes got the ball

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter trailing, Mahomes has this, He's got it. That

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Speaker 1: used to be the feeling for Tom Brady, and I

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Speaker 1: kind of had that sense. I'm watching the game again.

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Speaker 1: We're still on vacation here and not really a vacation,

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Speaker 1: like a little getaway, and we're hanging out with some

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Speaker 1: friends socially distanced. Everybody took a COVID test um and

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Speaker 1: we're like, Okay, Brady, he's got this. This is the

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Speaker 1: perfect spot. Tom Brady under the primetime lights, rebounding from

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Speaker 1: his um his ugly performances in primetime this year, and

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Speaker 1: basically for the second time that safety didn't you have

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Speaker 1: to do nothing? Two of the easiest interceptions he's ever

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Speaker 1: and I no longer think that the Bucks are a

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Speaker 1: viable Super Bowl team. Um. But the funniest meme I

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Speaker 1: and under the mask was Jamis Winston and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: stop laughing at it. I just thought, I was just like,

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Speaker 1: Rob G. Is it two incendiary of a take? Are

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Speaker 1: people gonna drop their phone if I say that Jamis

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Speaker 1: Winston might give this team a better chance this year

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Speaker 1: because of his arm. Oh of course not. And the

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Speaker 1: Like it's clear, and it was clear since week one.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady does not have the arm to throw these

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Speaker 1: soon as he tries to stretch the field, he's terrible,

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Speaker 1: He sucks. He he can't do it. And so until

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Speaker 1: noodle arm, they're gonna continue to lose too good defenses. Now,

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Speaker 1: the one thing rob g that I saw people pushing

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Speaker 1: They ran eighteen times for forty two yards. Jay, okay,

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Speaker 1: Um did you see the Ramses thirty seven yards? Dad?

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Speaker 1: I mean they don't have a running game either. You know,

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Speaker 1: The problem is nobody respects Brady's arm that they have

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Speaker 1: to play deep. You don't have to play two over

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Speaker 1: can cram the line of scrimmage. The Saints diagnosis perfectly,

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Speaker 1: points in the second half. Um, guys, Rams win this

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Speaker 1: one handily. I'm sorry. Tampa Bay right now not a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender in the NFC. They're just not. They

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Speaker 1: here's why. And I'll even preface this. Brady has struggled

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. They could not guard Cooper Cup at all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, God, I'm worried about Tampa. And this

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Speaker 1: is not an overreaction in one game. Again, this is

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay struggling against a good opponent. I don't want

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Speaker 1: Rob G I think the Rams are kind of a

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald was pretty quiet, but overall they hit. Brady

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Speaker 1: Ramsey's really good. Um, they're well coached. As long as

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Speaker 1: And I think, um, what a lot of us expected

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Speaker 1: we didn't really plan on talking about this, but one

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Speaker 1: of the big stories that came out of last night's

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Speaker 1: with the quarterback who beat him. Your thoughts on Tom Brady?

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Speaker 1: Yeah whatever? And you don't shake hands, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: And I'm not totally defending Brady. You know. My fun

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Speaker 1: Weekly back in the day in New York City. Obviously

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Speaker 1: there's like parties every night. Hey, Jason, this person is

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Speaker 1: one time they say, Jason, there's a victorious secret event.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is gonna be there. Of course I'm going

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Speaker 1: to that, and um, I roll up and it was

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Speaker 1: two thousand five before he was a mega mega star.

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Speaker 1: And I see him and you know whatever, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really super impressed by any buddy or afraid

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Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, Tom, you got a quick

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Speaker 1: Penn State, and he's just standing there just slack Jawn, like,

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Speaker 1: They got better defensively on the wing with Josh Richardson

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Speaker 1: first round. But there's are my top eight in the West. Lakers, Clippers, Blazers, MAVs, Nuggets, Warriors, Jazz, Sons. Now,

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Speaker 1: But I got the Clippers at three. Uh. I actually

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Speaker 1: and talent, I think the Nets are stacked. Can Kyrie

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Speaker 1: Irving play with anybody? Who the hell knows? Um? Number four?

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Speaker 1: Now this is a mild surprise. I know people are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're the Miami Heat. I have the Heat taking a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a step back, a little not a

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Speaker 1: big one. Remember Heat were only the fifth seed in

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Speaker 1: the East. Is past year wins and then they went

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Speaker 1: to the bubble. They go all the way to the finals.

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Speaker 1: Um he got draw just coming off the injury. Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Butler is gonna be gassed. Um bam will have a

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Speaker 1: target on his back. So I actually have the Heat

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Speaker 1: falling one. I think the Sixers. I kind of like

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Speaker 1: what the Sixers did. And somebody's smart reminded me when

433
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Speaker 1: I was texting some people about the East and they

434
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: were like, listen, two years ago this team with Ambiatn Simmons.

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Speaker 1: I know they had Jimmy Butler and Reddick and Covingtons.

436
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Speaker 1: They were a freaky lucky shot by Kawhi Leonard in

437
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Speaker 1: Game seven away from getting to the conference finals. Where

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00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: who knows that? Maybe they beat the Bucks, And I

439
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: don't see why they can't possibly make a run back

440
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: now they've had a lot of up people. I just

441
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: think getting off the Al Horford contract is so important. Uh.

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00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 1: They add Danny Green and Seth Curry. Like, you could

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Speaker 1: say what you want about Danny Green, and I'm sure

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00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: Rob g will kill me for him in a minute,

445
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: but he's a professional basketball players like thirty from three

446
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: this season, um, Seth Curry Like I like. I They

447
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: got depth with Dwight Howard at center. I think the

448
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: Sixers are gonna surprise some people. I have him fourth.

449
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: I'm a big buyer in Darryl Mourray, not so much

450
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Speaker 1: on Doc Rivers. So I have Bucks, one, Celtics, two Nets, three,

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Speaker 1: six Ers four. I said the heat five and then

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Speaker 1: after that it's like throwing darts basically, I guess I'll

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Speaker 1: take the Pacers at six. I don't know that could

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Speaker 1: open myself up. They may not be very good, Um,

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Speaker 1: Pacers six. I'm going with the Hornets seven. Yes, Sirree Bob, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did it. Gordon Hayward, I'm all in, baby, not

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00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: not LaMelo Ball. I'm all in on scary Terry, Mr Graham,

458
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Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward. I think the Hornets shocks and people and

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Speaker 1: sneak in at seven. And I'm going with the Atlanta Hawks,

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00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: who spent all the money Galla Nari Rondo. I'm fairly

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Speaker 1: certain they're gonna end up with Bogdanovic. Uh, They're not

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Speaker 1: gonna play any defense. Trey young Is is an offensive wizard.

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Speaker 1: But I think the Hawks sneak in a date now

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Speaker 1: before fans of the Toronto Raptors come after me again.

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Speaker 1: They lost Marc Gasol, they lost Sergey Bacca, and we're

466
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Speaker 1: looking at a team potentially that takes a big step back.

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Speaker 1: They're very old. Um. I don't know if they're struggling.

468
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: Do they try to trade Kyle Lowry to a contender.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Clippers would love to have them. And

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Speaker 1: now I thought this would happen last year. It did not. Um,

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Speaker 1: I see the Raptors taking a step back, and I

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Speaker 1: have them missing the playoffs. Rob g go ahead, give

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Speaker 1: it to me. Can't wait to get crushed for this one. Well,

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Speaker 1: now I know why our numbers in Canada are so bad,

475
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Speaker 1: because you ruined any kind of international relations we had

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Speaker 1: with the people in the North. I got the Raptors

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Speaker 1: at two. Now they are a regular season team like that.

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Speaker 1: You're saying, like you know, with the Jazz and you

479
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: know those kind of thing where I'm not really worried

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Speaker 1: about them in the playoffs. Toronto is gonna win a

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Speaker 1: lot of games. Nick. I forgot to mention this, Robb.

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Speaker 1: They will be operating out of Tampa, so a lot

483
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Speaker 1: of people will, you know, go after games, go to

484
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Speaker 1: their house. He's their family, blah blah blah. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be in Tampa, Florida for the season, away from friends

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Speaker 1: and family. Now maybe their family moves with them. I forgot.

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Speaker 1: I I that should factor in a little bit, should

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Speaker 1: it not. They have no home court advantage, Um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I forgot. Well, they were also the team

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Speaker 1: that went to the bubble, I think three weeks before

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Speaker 1: everybody else did. So I'm not as concerned about them,

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Speaker 1: and like you mentioned, they're a veteran team. And I

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Speaker 1: think Sam is a very player. I think he's probably

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Speaker 1: the third best player in the in the East right now,

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Speaker 1: only because I don't know Kevin Kevin Durrett coming off

496
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Speaker 1: of blown Achilles. Third best player in the East. Yes,

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Speaker 1: is he better than Simmons, Yeah, he's better than Simmons,

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Speaker 1: better than better than Tatum. He's not better than Tatum.

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Speaker 1: And to me, it goes Janice, Tatum, Jimmy Butler or

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Speaker 1: Pascal sim Get out of here. Jimmy Butler is a

501
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Speaker 1: tough player, He's a we saw in the playoffs. He's

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Speaker 1: very good. But when you get the totality of the season,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler is gonna give you what nineteen and five? Like,

504
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Speaker 1: you drop some hot takes here, bro, third best player

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Speaker 1: in the East, maybe your hottest ever. In the regular season,

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Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam is a monster, just like regular season Janice

507
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: is a monster. Now you get to the playoffs, that's

508
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Speaker 1: where kind of things get a little bit tight and

509
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Speaker 1: it's different. But if we're talking about just getting to

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Speaker 1: the postseason, I got Toronto is the number two. See.

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Speaker 1: I think Siam is a big reason why along with

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Speaker 1: Mini Fred van Vley. I shouldn't call him any because

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00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: he's like seven inches taller than me, but in the

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Speaker 1: NBA he's short. Um, I am very surprising. In the middle. Again,

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Speaker 1: we're all I have the next three as well, so

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Speaker 1: we're kind of all in the in the same area.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised you're so high on the Boston Celtics because

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00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: they are essentially losing Gordon Hayor. I don't think Gordon

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00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: Hayward is that good anymore because everything is that injury.

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Speaker 1: But they're losing him for nothing. You know, we unless

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Speaker 1: this materialize into a sign and trade in the next

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Speaker 1: few days, which I don't think it's going to happen

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Speaker 1: because I think they'd rather have the trade exception than

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Speaker 1: than you know, Nick Patuone's aspiring contract. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. But you're putting a lot of faith

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Speaker 1: in a team that gave up an asset for nothing,

527
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Speaker 1: Like Tatum is great, Brown is really good. I like

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Speaker 1: Marcus Mark. I don't think Kimba is as good of

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Speaker 1: a fit for that team as he is as a player.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a better player than he has a

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Speaker 1: fit for them because they're at their best when Tatum

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Speaker 1: has the ball. And I don't know if Kimba know.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Hayward stats right now, seventeen and six,

534
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: like you can. It's not that easy to replace that

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Speaker 1: unless you think, you know Brown and Tatum take the

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Speaker 1: next step right exactly, so, unless you're gonna pull us

537
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Speaker 1: Toronto where collectively everybody goes up three or four points.

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Speaker 1: But I don't see that happening outside of Tatum. I don't.

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00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: I think Tatum is the only one he can count on. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'll jump right to the bottom. Who this is where

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, this is where I think I'm gonna blow

542
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: your mind. You have the Hornets and Hawks. So I

543
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: was when we talked before the show. I thought the

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Speaker 1: horn is was your hot take. I didn't think Atlanta

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Speaker 1: at number eight was gonna blow me out of the

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Speaker 1: water the way that it did. I mean, Trey Young

547
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: might be the worst defender in NBA history. I know

548
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: that he's great for social media, and you know he

549
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: does it for the Graham with the way he plays

550
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: very flashy. The kids love him. But if you know

551
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: watch basketball and you know that there's a whole other

552
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: side of the court you have to worry about, and

553
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: he's the guy that you don't have to worry about

554
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: it the other side of the court because he's so bad.

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00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: I think the Hawks have done a disservice to him

556
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: in his development by putting him in a situation to

557
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: kind of do whatever he wants and freelance and put

558
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Speaker 1: up all these great numbers that look good for fantasy basketball,

559
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: but don't really, you know, help to win. I think

560
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 1: that's an issue with them. So I got a shock though,

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Speaker 1: at number eight, because at number seven, I got the Pacers,

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00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: and then you don't have the represent of to represent

563
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Speaker 1: my eight seed. I'm factoring whether there's a trade or not.

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00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: I think that uh no, Washington Wizards at eight. I

565
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: thought that you're going nick Wizards. Let's hear that now

566
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: and again when you get to that part of the

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00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: of the bracket, just like with the West, when you're

568
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: you're splitting hairs with these groups here, and I think

569
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: that Bradley Beal is the best player out of those

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00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: bottom teams, and I'm assuming that John wall is still

571
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: going to be there. I don't know if they'll make

572
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: the trade for westbercause I don't they want to give

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Speaker 1: anything up. And even if John wall is six of

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00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: what he was, that's a lot better than anything they

575
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: had last season. So any kind of help you can

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00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: give to Bradley Beal, I think would be a good thing.

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00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, it's Bradley Huh. I just I

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Speaker 1: guess do you think Bills didn't play for the Lakers

579
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: and package for Kuzmo? No, because they don't have the

580
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: contracts to give up to make um, if they get him,

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00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: it'll be in free agency. What has that in two

582
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: years from now? I think he's still got a couple

583
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: of years light right, Um? Yeah? I think uh. I

584
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: would have loved to have seen the Warriors go after him,

585
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, but they used their I mean that well,

586
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Wiggans are still in place, so you maybe get Wiggins

587
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Speaker 1: and that Minnesota picked for Bradley Beale and suddenly, you know,

588
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: the Warriors retool. But assuming everybody stay healthy, and we

589
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: can't project rates because that just would be too difficult.

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Speaker 1: I like the Wizards as the eight sea in the East. Wow. Okay,

591
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: so you have no Hornets and no Hawks. No, And

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Speaker 1: I'm actually higher on the Hornets that I am the

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Speaker 1: Hawks because did I hear you put the pacers in there?

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Speaker 1: I have the pacers at seven? Okay, yeah, yeah, interesting. Alright,

595
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: so not too much variety. We thought we'd changed it

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Speaker 1: up with a little, uh, a little fun with the

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Speaker 1: NBA heading into Thanksgiving week? All right, we will do

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Speaker 1: a Are we gonna do a show robb G on Wednesday?

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00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: We may have We're definitely are doing one on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not doing one on Thursday. You know, have fun

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Speaker 1: with your family. What we could do I guess tomorrow

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00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: is preview the three Thanksgiving Day games. Maybe we'll do that,

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Speaker 1: Rob Maybe we'll sure briefly, Yeah, we'll talk about it

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, obviously you guys subscribe, rate and review,

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Speaker 1: and uh, we'll talk to you soon