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He's one of my favorite Hollywood's 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.960 actors because he can swing between comedy, sci fi, bosover 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.920 dramatic roads Broadway. He has an incredible acting range. Like 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.720 I said, Broadway, Something about Mary, Run of my all 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.960 time have funny movies that he appeared in Pitch Black, 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.400 Sci Fi, Barber Shop, Teenade, Mutant, Ninja, Turtles. Plus he 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.359 has won three Emmy's performing forceable work, please work. In 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.399 the Money Making conversation discussed the final season of Greenleaf, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.840 the actor and singer that you did a lot of 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.040 you guys don't know about. He plays Bishop James Greenleaf. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.760 Please welcome, Keith David. How are you doing, sir? I'm 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.880 well man. How are you doing? Really good? Really good? Uh? 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.880 Four seasons down, a fifth season ago. We know about television, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.840 sometimes you can get green leading. They don't even last 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.919 beyond the burning of the cantle. Uh, going into five season? 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.280 Talk about that. Talk about the journey of this series 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.239 so far before we get into details. From a personal perspective, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.799 tell has been an incredible journey for me because, um 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.760 years in my life I used to fantasize about being 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:56.240 a preacher. I used to want to be a preacher, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.480 and uh uh, I didn't. I didn't want to be 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:09.160 a kind of Jack leg. So I decided to pursue 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.079 other areas of my life, you know, and in the 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.120 life of an artist, and I believe that they're both 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.320 are calling. So now you know, I feel that acting 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:24.160 is my ministry. Uh. But when Breenley came along, it 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.440 was like dream being fulfilled. I mean it was truly 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.200 a blessing. If you don't you know, if if you 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.560 don't believe in God, well uh that's that's your business. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.840 But God loves you anyway. And that was well, I 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.640 believe in God, blessing. I believe in God. So keep talking, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.440 keep talking. Well, I mean that was that was That 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:51.520 was living proof that you know that that God is 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:54.720 always looking out for me, and take better care of 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.160 me than that care and take it my absolutely, I 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.000 believe in that. And I believe that the worker focus, 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.280 we'll get you there, and the blessings are based on 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.480 your hard work, and your career is showing a body 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.920 of work that is tied to you know. The thing 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.080 I like about your career is that, you know, I 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.680 always tell people, wherever the opportunity is pointed, give it 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.760 a hundred percent and go forward, you know, voice over work, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:26.520 going forward, Sinking Broadway comedy drama. That's a really versatile 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.880 plate of as they say, food that you're dining on there, sir, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.920 talk to us about being able to have that range 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.880 and that ability and and and and that that blessing 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:37.800 right there, be able to do all these different things. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.640 Because some people are just good at comedies some people 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:42.159 just good at dramatic roles. But you've being able to 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.520 You're able to swing back and forth. Talk to us 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.440 about that. Well, first of all, I'm lucky to be 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.000 able to do that. But that's what I trained for, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.040 That's what I spent my life training for. You know, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.080 I spent I spent ten years of my life in 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:01.680 class training, right, you know, from high school and college 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:07.159 and uh and and you know, the the greatest I think, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:11.000 and I get to do it, Yes, sir, that which 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:13.880 I prepared myself to do. You know, isn't that great? 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.240 I mean it is great. I mean that's I mean, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:23.320 that's the blessing beyond my wildest imagination. And I appreciate that. Now, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.760 let's let's talk about green Leaf. Okay, last season, let 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.239 me just talk about your character a little bit because 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.800 the last season, you know, Grace character became a dominant 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.400 character lady maid, and we saw what Charity was doing 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:41.120 and undermined the family, and Carissa character kind of undermined 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.560 the relationship she had with Jacob. The men. The men 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.880 character I felt were kind of like like, well, like 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.640 we'll pushed a little bit to the back of the 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.200 female and none negative back when I say that none negative, 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.400 because you got the storylines you have to develop. And 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.480 then I see this trailer for the final season and 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.440 you you you preaching through the whole thing, You through 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.760 the whole thing. Bishop, Are you trying to send us 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.320 a message? Is your voice coming to the forth front 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.640 of the series with prayer and leadership for the fifth season? 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:20.480 Talk to me, well, you know, uh, the Family Journey 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.720 has always been about, you know, been about re establishing 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:30.360 ourselves in the church and uh grace coming, grace coming 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:37.960 back home to uh uh just rectify what what what 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.279 had gone on previously in the family. And so and 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.440 I think that when we when we started the series, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.400 Bishop was in a place where he was ready to 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:57.039 atone to whatever he had, you know, past uh discrepancy, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.880 you know what you know, and and and and face 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.960 them head on. Of course, now when you when you 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.200 say you're ready for that, but when the moment comes, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.080 you say, oh, God doesn't have to be right now, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.920 you know. So he's gone through all of that. But 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:18.000 you know in season five, you know, uh we see 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.360 you know, you know, everything has a ripple effect, it 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.240 really does. Yeah, and so and so he's gonna he's 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.360 gonna deal with that and so, um, that's what season 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:36.000 five is about. This final referee. Come on, now, come 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.680 on thatw what what you know what it's like, you 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.760 know when you got to you know it's you know, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:51.440 it's uh, it's like, uh, let meagine this, Keith about 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.320 you're about your character about the show. Okay, because of 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.280 the fact that the finale set up a lot of 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.360 a lot of storylines that finale. So I'm talking about 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:06.120 season four for nowe. You know Charity, she you thought 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:10.760 you could convince her to vote the right way. She did, Okay, 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.640 that I'm sure shocked your character. You thought she would 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.920 see the right way. Then she got kicked to the 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:21.040 curb by Phil when Bob Whitmore, the owner of H 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.440 and H, told her, if you want to stay some 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.160 stay have power in this whole situation with this church. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.520 You gotta marry my daughter who happens to be white. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.520 If you're not following the series, So those are just 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.200 a small level of dynamics when you when you get 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.320 this script, and these scripts have to be juicy at 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.400 the table reading, these scripts have to be juicy. When 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.400 you shot him. You can just see all this stuff 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.560 playing itself out and then but but Charity for the 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:48.120 fifth season, she's undermined the family. How do you bring 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.920 her back into the family without destroying the storylines that 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.800 we have not seen yet for the fifth season? You know, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.920 you you you raise your kids to be good people, 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.600 right and you and you try to convince him to 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:09.240 do the next rightst thing, and then you then you 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.480 have to let go and let God handle it the 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.000 way he's going to handle it. And I think that 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.400 also that's also one of the one of the big 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.840 lessons that the bishop learns is you know, in spite 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.720 of your intentions, it's gonna go away. God intends it 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.640 to go and and we have and we just have 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:34.480 to pray for the grace to deal with that because 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:36.440 it may not be, it may not be exactly the 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:40.000 way you wanted it to, no matter what your intentions are. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.600 You know, you know, you know deal with that. You 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.520 know you got that great voice there, Keith, You know 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.040 you got that that profound voice as they say, you 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.719 know when I when I do TV shows, uh Jury, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.319 they called the voice of God. It's so eloquent, it's 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:57.960 so it's so strong. Come let's go tell the truth 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.920 about this and so like I said, you have that 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.600 natural gift to be to be able to resonate like 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.720 a minister. And so so you're the bishop James Greenley 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.400 f the series. The premieres Greenley for SIS June premiers 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.000 June three on the Own Network. Now in the trailer. 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:20.400 Now in the trailer, I see your kissing lady may huh. Okay, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:25.440 Now I know you've been wanting to huh my wife. 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.760 Well you know, but job, you'll kind of like had 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.040 a little discard over the years, and these these are 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.319 these final seasons here, come on, now, come on, don't 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.600 act like I'm not going if you, If you, you 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.679 don't have to be with somebody for five years to 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:45.120 have a little discord a little bit, so you can 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.199 believe after forty or five years there are that they're 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.240 gonna be some challenges that arrived, sir. But you know, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:11:00.120 but you know with you know, uh, with belief and 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.760 the God, if your understanding, you know, God will find 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:08.440 a way absolutely if it meant and if it's meant 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.400 to be. So you so you know that's where we are. Okay. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.559 So so okay, now we got Charity. You gotta bring 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.319 her back in the fold. I catch you kissing Lady 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.440 May in the trailer, which is a good thing. Which 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.800 is a good thing. Now are y'all y'all all praying 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:29.720 holding hands? The entire family. Jacob was in there, Zora, Sophia, Carissa, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.160 and so so everybody is living at this house, this 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.080 giant house is a beautiful house as a lake on 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.520 the property. And Carrissa has issues because she's tired of 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:44.000 living in your mama's house, your daddy's house. So so 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.520 as as the man of the house, the bishop, how 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.599 does that play out as far as far as the 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.840 characterization of what you're trying to do and what you're 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.200 trying to deliver on this show as the bishop, not 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.679 only at the church what you've lost, but holding onto 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.960 the house that you mainly lose basis and information that 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.840 Karissa got from Fernando. Can you talk to me about that? 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.839 I cannot talk to you about that. Come on, come on, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:17.280 come on, come on, I can't. I can tell you, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.520 um that that that will that will play out, That 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:30.400 will play out. I think you're going to be, um, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:35.439 you know, wonderfully surprised because the story is so exciting 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.200 and but you know, the thing that I think is 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:43.400 so wonderful about it is you know, uh, you know, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:48.760 God works and so so many mysterious ways. We don't 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.719 know what the ways of God are and what the 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.000 lessons are to be looking and that's what makes that's 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.160 what makes I think the uh, the series so compelling 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:03.200 is that, uh, in the midst of this, you know, 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:13.240 this storytelling is so such a relationship with real life 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.319 and what happens in life. Because in life it doesn't 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.160 always turn out to be as hunky dory as you 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.160 like it. 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Now 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.920 you didn't tell music Roshan. Look at the store, Look 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.000 at your store. Look tell them all my fans. You're 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.040 not gonna give us any extra, any little in roads 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.960 into what may be happening in season five. Watch the 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.880 episode now when at the end of the last season 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:08.560 that Grace was at Fate's grave site and this gentleman 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:10.720 who looked like a J but he wasn't a J 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.440 walked up to her at the grave site and he 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.840 walked away. Any inkling of what that character was. Was 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:24.400 he an angel? What was he? Well, you know I 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.800 have to leave that up to you because you know, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:34.160 um in life again, I love the way our imitates 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:38.320 life because there there are many times when you have 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.560 an experience like that. You know, that way reminded me 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.760 of well, he looked like he could have been so 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.040 and so son and maybe maybe it was maybe it 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.720 wasn't right, you know. I mean, you know sometimes when 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.840 we when we have dreams and they speak to us, 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.920 and I mean I've had dreams that were so real that, uh, 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.840 if you would have asked me today did it really happen? 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.400 I would not have good conscious be able to swear 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.359 that it didn't. Mm hmmm, I agree. So so, you know, 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.879 I mean that's the way I see. That moment is 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.760 one of It's one of those sort of god shot 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.520 moments where you don't you know, was that him? Was 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.760 that not him? Whatever it was it was, it was 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:29.960 it was a momentary miracle. It was it was it 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:36.200 that she needed, she needs, she needed some Godly reassurance 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.159 of some kind, and she got it. Oh that that 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.560 and it was well written because her she was questioning 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.639 her faith looking down at the gray side of faith. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.480 And then this character came up to out of mystery 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.240 and spoke to her. And I want to don't want 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.760 to tell everybody everything, because everybody should if you hadn't 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.560 watched this, sire, and go watch one, two, three, four 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.280 and get caught up before you start June twenty third 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.159 and watching season five. The thing about it is that 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.359 I just want your opinion, sir, because I got you 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.800 on the show. Give me your thoughts on each one 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.240 of these people who are in your life. They play characters. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.800 But what are your thoughts about feel what who works 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:20.240 under barb with more or h Who's I mean? I mean, 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.880 you know, and here's the guy, Here's here's the here's 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:28.399 the here's the guy who I believe starts out with 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.160 some kind of some kind of faith. But you see, 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:37.200 the devil is a click and and and puts all 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.000 kinds of temptations in front of it. Sometimes it's a 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:43.439 beautiful woman. Sometimes it comes in the form of money, 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.399 Sometimes it comes in the form of power, sometimes it 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.240 sometimes it comes in the form of some combination of 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.919 all of those. Uh but at all. But but you know, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:58.920 the devil can also uh disguise himself in ambition, and 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.000 you know, and the eager as a monster, because the 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.840 eagle could fool you to thinking that it is you, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.280 and it will it will you know, uh start motivating 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.760 you in ways that you think is pure, but it's 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:20.880 really couched behind some uh it going needs. That's that's 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:26.000 stoked by greed. Uh and and the worst parts of 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.760 ambition that becomes selfish and you become selfishly driven so 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:36.080 that you know, uh, you lose your way that they 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.040 can't see the you can't see the forest for the trees. 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.239 So started up. I think he started out, you know, 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.919 because he wanted to have his own church. He got 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:48.919 an opportunity, You got an opportunity to work with this 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:53.119 man who you know, promised him big things, one of 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.719 which that he wouldn't yes one day he would have 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.359 his own church. So Okay, if the sacrifice I have 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.879 to make is being a ghost writer, I mean that 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.320 may not be the biggest sin in the world. Okay, fine, uh, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.439 but then it leads you to do other things. And 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:11.400 but when it becomes you know, I mean the thing 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:15.120 about phil when it comes down to taking down your 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:20.720 own and that is that is that is both you know, uh, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:26.800 familiarly and spiritually. Uh. Then you know, then you have 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.240 you know, you have to question those motives, and you 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:34.399 know which the bishop does from the beginning. Bishop questions 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.720 his motives from from the beginnings. You know, sees tees, 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.240 that knows who sees and knows who he is, because 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.040 he knows who Bob. Let's go right there, who is Bob? 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:50.520 Is he the devil? Well? I mean again, the devil 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:56.720 has many forms, which many names, many disguises, and you know, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:03.240 I mean what I mean. I can't call out every 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.360 ambitious preacher uh in the world, but you know sometimes 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:15.320 when they when they ambition uh overrides your true sense 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:19.800 of spirituality. Then that there's something to be questioned, because 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:23.320 you know, we have to watch out for false gods, 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.960 and money is one of them. Absolutely. We we live, 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.640 we live in a society. Well, money isn't necessary. I mean, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.720 you know, even in biblical times, you know, uh, the 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.960 money wasn't the same as it as it is now. 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:43.400 But you know, people, you know, people got got lost. 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:45.280 You know, you know, how many camels do you have? 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:47.719 How much bread do you have? You know, they were 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.240 all there were all kinds of ways to disguise that 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:57.760 that particular evil of greed, and that's and that you 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.800 know that seems to be the center storyline. Greed, greed 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.280 happens in this in the story, especially Bob, you know's 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.359 that's for lad feel down this path twenty years and 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.040 like you saying, ghost writing and never getting credit and 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.959 then misleading, I don't, I don't know, do you do? 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.960 You did? I read this role? I felt that Phil 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.959 really did care for charity, but then when it pushed 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:25.560 came to a shop and denying his dreams tied to greed, 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.119 he denounced that relationship to follow the path of greed. 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.800 Am I wrongest saying that I don't. I don't think 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.040 So that's you know what I mean? You know and 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:40.440 and and you don't have to also understand that whatever 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.600 whatever your interpretation is, if when we're telling story in 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.640 a parable in the powable situation, whatever it is that 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:52.520 you need to learn, that's your lesson. Now you watch 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.520 it again, you may get a different lesson. True, true, 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.480 But that's the that's the lesson you got watching it 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.600 the first time. So I mean, I can't tell you 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:04.440 that that's not true or that's not a part of 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:09.320 uh stops to be learned here that is one of 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.360 that is certainly one of the least. Now, Jacob, Jacob 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.240 has not lived a good life. He's had something that 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.280 we all have had. We stumped out foot and made mistakes. 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:21.040 And both as a single man, as a married man, 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.480 and as a father. What are your thoughts about his 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:28.440 as a relationship with you in the direction he's grown 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.520 as a character as a man on this show living 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:35.879 under your house, under your roof again, you know what 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:39.240 I mean? And there, you know, I can't at this 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:44.320 very second quote to you who in the Bible Jacob 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:49.240 reminds me? You know, and here is here is a 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.280 man you know, he's like like like I think maybe 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:57.720 maybe Joseph's brother brothers um, here's a Here's a man 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.879 who's lived under the show. Know if his father his 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:04.520 whole life, he's had you know, he's had everything. He's 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:07.560 ever you know, everything has been given to him. Uh 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.440 and and he's so but his his mother has also 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:16.639 been very protective, you know, yeah, despite of what his 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:18.560 father might have. You know, his father has always wanted 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.679 them to be you know, go out and find his 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:23.960 own self. I mean, I remember, I think it's in 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.840 season two or three, I said to him, I said, 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.560 look at me and tell me get out of my face. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.400 So man, let me do my thing. But you won't 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:36.120 even do that right, you won't even specify in your way. 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.240 I can't give this to you. I can't give you nothing. 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.080 You have to earn us. And that's a lesson that 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.960