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Mine is helping people 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: wake up and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: live the very best life. The Money Making Conversation interviews 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: provide relatable information to the listener about career and financial planning, entrepreneurship, motivation, leadership, 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: overcoming the arts, and how to live a balanced life. 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: My guests is one of the stars of the Own 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: Network series green Leaf, to show a premiere on June 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: twenty three on Own. He's one of my favorite Hollywood's 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: actors because he can swing between comedy, sci fi, bosover 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: dramatic roads Broadway. He has an incredible acting range. Like 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I said, Broadway, Something about Mary, Run of my all 36 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: time have funny movies that he appeared in Pitch Black, 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: Sci Fi, Barber Shop, Teenade, Mutant, Ninja, Turtles. Plus he 38 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: has won three Emmy's performing forceable work, please work. In 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: the Money Making conversation discussed the final season of Greenleaf, 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: the actor and singer that you did a lot of 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: you guys don't know about. He plays Bishop James Greenleaf. 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: Please welcome, Keith David. How are you doing, sir? I'm 43 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: well man. How are you doing? Really good? Really good? Uh? 44 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: Four seasons down, a fifth season ago. We know about television, 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: sometimes you can get green leading. They don't even last 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: beyond the burning of the cantle. Uh, going into five season? 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Talk about that. Talk about the journey of this series 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: so far before we get into details. From a personal perspective, 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: tell has been an incredible journey for me because, um 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: years in my life I used to fantasize about being 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: a preacher. I used to want to be a preacher, 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: and uh uh, I didn't. I didn't want to be 53 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: a kind of Jack leg. So I decided to pursue 54 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: other areas of my life, you know, and in the 55 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: life of an artist, and I believe that they're both 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: are calling. So now you know, I feel that acting 57 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: is my ministry. Uh. But when Breenley came along, it 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: was like dream being fulfilled. I mean it was truly 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: a blessing. If you don't you know, if if you 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: don't believe in God, well uh that's that's your business. 61 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: But God loves you anyway. And that was well, I 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: believe in God, blessing. I believe in God. So keep talking, 63 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: keep talking. Well, I mean that was that was That 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: was living proof that you know that that God is 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: always looking out for me, and take better care of 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: me than that care and take it my absolutely, I 67 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: believe in that. And I believe that the worker focus, 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: we'll get you there, and the blessings are based on 69 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: your hard work, and your career is showing a body 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: of work that is tied to you know. The thing 71 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: I like about your career is that, you know, I 72 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: always tell people, wherever the opportunity is pointed, give it 73 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: a hundred percent and go forward, you know, voice over work, 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: going forward, Sinking Broadway comedy drama. That's a really versatile 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: plate of as they say, food that you're dining on there, sir, 76 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: talk to us about being able to have that range 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: and that ability and and and and that that blessing 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: right there, be able to do all these different things. 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Because some people are just good at comedies some people 80 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: just good at dramatic roles. But you've being able to 81 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: You're able to swing back and forth. Talk to us 82 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: about that. Well, first of all, I'm lucky to be 83 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: able to do that. But that's what I trained for, 84 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: That's what I spent my life training for. You know, 85 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: I spent I spent ten years of my life in 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: class training, right, you know, from high school and college 87 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: and uh and and you know, the the greatest I think, 88 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: and I get to do it, Yes, sir, that which 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: I prepared myself to do. You know, isn't that great? 90 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean it is great. I mean that's I mean, 91 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: that's the blessing beyond my wildest imagination. And I appreciate that. Now, 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about green Leaf. Okay, last season, let 93 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 1: me just talk about your character a little bit because 94 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: the last season, you know, Grace character became a dominant 95 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: character lady maid, and we saw what Charity was doing 96 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: and undermined the family, and Carissa character kind of undermined 97 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: the relationship she had with Jacob. The men. The men 98 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: character I felt were kind of like like, well, like 99 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: we'll pushed a little bit to the back of the 100 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: female and none negative back when I say that none negative, 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: because you got the storylines you have to develop. And 102 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: then I see this trailer for the final season and 103 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: you you you preaching through the whole thing, You through 104 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing. Bishop, Are you trying to send us 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: a message? Is your voice coming to the forth front 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: of the series with prayer and leadership for the fifth season? 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: Talk to me, well, you know, uh, the Family Journey 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: has always been about, you know, been about re establishing 109 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: ourselves in the church and uh grace coming, grace coming 110 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: back home to uh uh just rectify what what what 111 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: had gone on previously in the family. And so and 112 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: I think that when we when we started the series, 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: Bishop was in a place where he was ready to 114 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: atone to whatever he had, you know, past uh discrepancy, 115 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: you know what you know, and and and and face 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: them head on. Of course, now when you when you 117 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: say you're ready for that, but when the moment comes, 118 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: you say, oh, God doesn't have to be right now, 119 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: you know. So he's gone through all of that. But 120 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: you know in season five, you know, uh we see 121 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know, everything has a ripple effect, it 122 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: really does. Yeah, and so and so he's gonna he's 123 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: gonna deal with that and so, um, that's what season 124 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: five is about. This final referee. Come on, now, come 125 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: on thatw what what you know what it's like, you 126 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: know when you got to you know it's you know, 127 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's like, uh, let meagine this, Keith about 128 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: you're about your character about the show. Okay, because of 129 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: the fact that the finale set up a lot of 130 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: a lot of storylines that finale. So I'm talking about 131 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: season four for nowe. You know Charity, she you thought 132 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: you could convince her to vote the right way. She did, Okay, 133 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: that I'm sure shocked your character. You thought she would 134 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: see the right way. Then she got kicked to the 135 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: curb by Phil when Bob Whitmore, the owner of H 136 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: and H, told her, if you want to stay some 137 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: stay have power in this whole situation with this church. 138 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: You gotta marry my daughter who happens to be white. 139 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: If you're not following the series, So those are just 140 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: a small level of dynamics when you when you get 141 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: this script, and these scripts have to be juicy at 142 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: the table reading, these scripts have to be juicy. When 143 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: you shot him. You can just see all this stuff 144 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: playing itself out and then but but Charity for the 145 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: fifth season, she's undermined the family. How do you bring 146 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: her back into the family without destroying the storylines that 147 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: we have not seen yet for the fifth season? You know, 148 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: you you you raise your kids to be good people, 149 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: right and you and you try to convince him to 150 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: do the next rightst thing, and then you then you 151 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: have to let go and let God handle it the 152 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: way he's going to handle it. And I think that 153 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: also that's also one of the one of the big 154 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: lessons that the bishop learns is you know, in spite 155 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: of your intentions, it's gonna go away. God intends it 156 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: to go and and we have and we just have 157 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: to pray for the grace to deal with that because 158 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: it may not be, it may not be exactly the 159 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: way you wanted it to, no matter what your intentions are. 160 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know deal with that. You 161 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: know you got that great voice there, Keith, You know 162 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: you got that that profound voice as they say, you 163 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: know when I when I do TV shows, uh Jury, 164 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: they called the voice of God. It's so eloquent, it's 165 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: so it's so strong. Come let's go tell the truth 166 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: about this and so like I said, you have that 167 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: natural gift to be to be able to resonate like 168 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: a minister. And so so you're the bishop James Greenley 169 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: f the series. The premieres Greenley for SIS June premiers 170 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: June three on the Own Network. Now in the trailer. 171 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Now in the trailer, I see your kissing lady may huh. Okay, 172 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: Now I know you've been wanting to huh my wife. 173 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Well you know, but job, you'll kind of like had 174 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: a little discard over the years, and these these are 175 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: these final seasons here, come on, now, come on, don't 176 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: act like I'm not going if you, If you, you 177 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: don't have to be with somebody for five years to 178 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: have a little discord a little bit, so you can 179 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: believe after forty or five years there are that they're 180 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: gonna be some challenges that arrived, sir. But you know, 181 00:10:53,240 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: but you know with you know, uh, with belief and 182 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: the God, if your understanding, you know, God will find 183 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: a way absolutely if it meant and if it's meant 184 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: to be. So you so you know that's where we are. Okay. 185 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: So so okay, now we got Charity. You gotta bring 186 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: her back in the fold. I catch you kissing Lady 187 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: May in the trailer, which is a good thing. Which 188 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: is a good thing. Now are y'all y'all all praying 189 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: holding hands? The entire family. Jacob was in there, Zora, Sophia, Carissa, 190 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: and so so everybody is living at this house, this 191 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: giant house is a beautiful house as a lake on 192 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: the property. And Carrissa has issues because she's tired of 193 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: living in your mama's house, your daddy's house. So so 194 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: as as the man of the house, the bishop, how 195 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 1: does that play out as far as far as the 196 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: characterization of what you're trying to do and what you're 197 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: trying to deliver on this show as the bishop, not 198 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: only at the church what you've lost, but holding onto 199 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: the house that you mainly lose basis and information that 200 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: Karissa got from Fernando. Can you talk to me about that? 201 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: I cannot talk to you about that. Come on, come on, 202 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: come on, come on, I can't. I can tell you, 203 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: um that that that will that will play out, That 204 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: will play out. I think you're going to be, um, 205 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: you know, wonderfully surprised because the story is so exciting 206 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: and but you know, the thing that I think is 207 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: so wonderful about it is you know, uh, you know, 208 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: God works and so so many mysterious ways. We don't 209 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: know what the ways of God are and what the 210 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: lessons are to be looking and that's what makes that's 211 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: what makes I think the uh, the series so compelling 212 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: is that, uh, in the midst of this, you know, 213 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: this storytelling is so such a relationship with real life 214 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: and what happens in life. Because in life it doesn't 215 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: always turn out to be as hunky dory as you 216 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: like it. Now, you know, and and and we have 217 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: to deal with that. 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That's O T T E R 257 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: dot ai. Oh believe me, last season was you know 258 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: when Grace was trying to reconnect with a J. Now 259 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: you didn't tell music Roshan. Look at the store, Look 260 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: at your store. Look tell them all my fans. You're 261 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: not gonna give us any extra, any little in roads 262 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: into what may be happening in season five. Watch the 263 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: episode now when at the end of the last season 264 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: that Grace was at Fate's grave site and this gentleman 265 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: who looked like a J but he wasn't a J 266 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: walked up to her at the grave site and he 267 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: walked away. Any inkling of what that character was. Was 268 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: he an angel? What was he? Well, you know I 269 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: have to leave that up to you because you know, 270 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: um in life again, I love the way our imitates 271 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: life because there there are many times when you have 272 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: an experience like that. You know, that way reminded me 273 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: of well, he looked like he could have been so 274 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: and so son and maybe maybe it was maybe it 275 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: wasn't right, you know. I mean, you know sometimes when 276 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: we when we have dreams and they speak to us, 277 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: and I mean I've had dreams that were so real that, uh, 278 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: if you would have asked me today did it really happen? 279 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: I would not have good conscious be able to swear 280 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: that it didn't. Mm hmmm, I agree. So so, you know, 281 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean that's the way I see. That moment is 282 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: one of It's one of those sort of god shot 283 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: moments where you don't you know, was that him? Was 284 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: that not him? Whatever it was it was, it was 285 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: it was a momentary miracle. It was it was it 286 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: that she needed, she needs, she needed some Godly reassurance 287 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: of some kind, and she got it. Oh that that 288 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: and it was well written because her she was questioning 289 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: her faith looking down at the gray side of faith. 290 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: And then this character came up to out of mystery 291 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: and spoke to her. And I want to don't want 292 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: to tell everybody everything, because everybody should if you hadn't 293 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: watched this, sire, and go watch one, two, three, four 294 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: and get caught up before you start June twenty third 295 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: and watching season five. The thing about it is that 296 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: I just want your opinion, sir, because I got you 297 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: on the show. Give me your thoughts on each one 298 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: of these people who are in your life. They play characters. 299 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts about feel what who works 300 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: under barb with more or h Who's I mean? I mean, 301 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, and here's the guy, Here's here's the here's 302 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: the here's the guy who I believe starts out with 303 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: some kind of some kind of faith. But you see, 304 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: the devil is a click and and and puts all 305 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: kinds of temptations in front of it. Sometimes it's a 306 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: beautiful woman. Sometimes it comes in the form of money, 307 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: Sometimes it comes in the form of power, sometimes it 308 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: sometimes it comes in the form of some combination of 309 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: all of those. Uh but at all. But but you know, 310 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: the devil can also uh disguise himself in ambition, and 311 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, and the eager as a monster, because the 312 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: eagle could fool you to thinking that it is you, 313 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: and it will it will you know, uh start motivating 314 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: you in ways that you think is pure, but it's 315 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: really couched behind some uh it going needs. That's that's 316 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: stoked by greed. Uh and and the worst parts of 317 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: ambition that becomes selfish and you become selfishly driven so 318 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: that you know, uh, you lose your way that they 319 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: can't see the you can't see the forest for the trees. 320 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 1: So started up. I think he started out, you know, 321 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: because he wanted to have his own church. He got 322 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: an opportunity, You got an opportunity to work with this 323 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: man who you know, promised him big things, one of 324 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: which that he wouldn't yes one day he would have 325 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: his own church. So Okay, if the sacrifice I have 326 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: to make is being a ghost writer, I mean that 327 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: may not be the biggest sin in the world. Okay, fine, uh, 328 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: but then it leads you to do other things. And 329 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: but when it becomes you know, I mean the thing 330 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: about phil when it comes down to taking down your 331 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: own and that is that is that is both you know, uh, 332 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: familiarly and spiritually. Uh. Then you know, then you have 333 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, you have to question those motives, and you 334 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: know which the bishop does from the beginning. Bishop questions 335 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: his motives from from the beginnings. You know, sees tees, 336 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: that knows who sees and knows who he is, because 337 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: he knows who Bob. Let's go right there, who is Bob? 338 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: Is he the devil? Well? I mean again, the devil 339 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: has many forms, which many names, many disguises, and you know, 340 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean what I mean. I can't call out every 341 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: ambitious preacher uh in the world, but you know sometimes 342 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: when they when they ambition uh overrides your true sense 343 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: of spirituality. Then that there's something to be questioned, because 344 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, we have to watch out for false gods, 345 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: and money is one of them. Absolutely. We we live, 346 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: we live in a society. Well, money isn't necessary. I mean, 347 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, even in biblical times, you know, uh, the 348 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: money wasn't the same as it as it is now. 349 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: But you know, people, you know, people got got lost. 350 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, you know, how many camels do you have? 351 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: How much bread do you have? You know, they were 352 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: all there were all kinds of ways to disguise that 353 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: that particular evil of greed, and that's and that you 354 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: know that seems to be the center storyline. Greed, greed 355 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: happens in this in the story, especially Bob, you know's 356 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: that's for lad feel down this path twenty years and 357 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: like you saying, ghost writing and never getting credit and 358 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 1: then misleading, I don't, I don't know, do you do? 359 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: You did? I read this role? I felt that Phil 360 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: really did care for charity, but then when it pushed 361 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: came to a shop and denying his dreams tied to greed, 362 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: he denounced that relationship to follow the path of greed. 363 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: Am I wrongest saying that I don't. I don't think 364 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: So that's you know what I mean? You know and 365 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: and and you don't have to also understand that whatever 366 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: whatever your interpretation is, if when we're telling story in 367 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: a parable in the powable situation, whatever it is that 368 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: you need to learn, that's your lesson. Now you watch 369 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: it again, you may get a different lesson. True, true, 370 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: But that's the that's the lesson you got watching it 371 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: the first time. So I mean, I can't tell you 372 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: that that's not true or that's not a part of 373 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: uh stops to be learned here that is one of 374 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 1: that is certainly one of the least. Now, Jacob, Jacob 375 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: has not lived a good life. He's had something that 376 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: we all have had. We stumped out foot and made mistakes. 377 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: And both as a single man, as a married man, 378 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: and as a father. What are your thoughts about his 379 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: as a relationship with you in the direction he's grown 380 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: as a character as a man on this show living 381 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: under your house, under your roof again, you know what 382 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean? And there, you know, I can't at this 383 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: very second quote to you who in the Bible Jacob 384 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: reminds me? You know, and here is here is a 385 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: man you know, he's like like like I think maybe 386 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: maybe Joseph's brother brothers um, here's a Here's a man 387 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: who's lived under the show. Know if his father his 388 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: whole life, he's had you know, he's had everything. He's 389 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: ever you know, everything has been given to him. Uh 390 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: and and he's so but his his mother has also 391 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: been very protective, you know, yeah, despite of what his 392 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: father might have. You know, his father has always wanted 393 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: them to be you know, go out and find his 394 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: own self. I mean, I remember, I think it's in 395 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: season two or three, I said to him, I said, 396 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: look at me and tell me get out of my face. 397 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: So man, let me do my thing. But you won't 398 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: even do that right, you won't even specify in your way. 399 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: I can't give this to you. I can't give you nothing. 400 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: You have to earn us. And that's a lesson that 401 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: a man's got a lot. Absolutely, absolutely it is really 402 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: when I when I look at your the journey of 403 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: this show and we're talking to U. Keith David, one 404 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: of the stars of Green lift Or. The series premiers 405 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: June twenty three on their own network. He plays the 406 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Bishop on the series. Um it really I would just 407 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: telling you this, uh. And I've enjoyed this run of 408 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: the first four seasons. I'm looking forward to the final 409 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: season because it allows me to stay calm. It allows me, 410 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: as you can see, like you said, Raean, you might 411 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: look at it on one episode, didn't look at it 412 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: two weeks later and see something or be mostly driven 413 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: by something else. And that really is what this series 414 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: is about. It allows you choices. It allows you to 415 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: be able to understand the values that you have for yourself, 416 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: whether whether you believe or you don't believe. But if 417 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: you believe these are the options that you have to 418 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: make decisions based on. It has to be just an 419 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: amazing Like you said early on when you started this 420 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: interview with me, you always wanted to be a minister, 421 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: and this blessing came about where for five seasons you 422 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: could play a bishop on a on a role that 423 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: also look inside yourself and feel compelled that you're you're 424 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: changing people's lives. Even though it's a role, you still 425 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: are changing people's lives. Do you believe that, well, I mean, 426 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, praised God, there is that book central and 427 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: uh and and and I have absolutely loved that opportunity 428 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: to be able to tell those kinds of stories. I mean, 429 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's ah, that's what we do. You know. 430 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm an actor, I'm an artist, and and 431 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: we and we we tell stories in order to inform 432 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: our lives that there are there is another way of 433 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: doing things. You know that. You know, it's not that 434 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: there's not just one way to um get through any 435 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: given situation, you know, And I mean, you know, I 436 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: believe that even now in this COVID situation, God does 437 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: not put us in situations that he doesn't provide a 438 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: way out of and I doesn't have to be wait 439 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: uh to what those possibilities are before we close out. 440 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: I just I know when you've got other projects other 441 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: than green Leaf premier in June twenty three, off year, 442 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: if you want to shout him out. I got a 443 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: project with Alison Weaves coming up, a project on Amazon. 444 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: You want to expound on those a little bit before 445 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: we wrap up here, Mrs David, I am. I'm working 446 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: right now. I'm working on the show based on the 447 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: life of Joe Williams and uh and uh. My great 448 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: hope is that it will be uh, you know, the 449 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic will um allow us to move into theaters 450 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: and into and you'll get to that you will get 451 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: to see it when it's time. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, but 452 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: be on be on the lookout. 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