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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm your guest

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson, and today I'm joined by Brodie Swisher

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Speaker 1: to discuss strategies and tactics for hunting pressure dear during

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Speaker 1: the entire rut. All right, folks, welcome to the Wire

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Speaker 1: to Hunt Podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 1: You might notice that this is not the voice of

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. He's off at the National Air Guitar Championship

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Speaker 1: where he's competing as a semi finalist after winning the

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Speaker 1: Midwest Regional back in April. So wish him luck. You

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Speaker 1: got me instead, And today my guest is Brodie Swisher.

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Speaker 1: Brody is an outdoor later and a white tail nut.

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Speaker 1: He lives in Tennessee, but he hunts all over the country,

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Speaker 1: not only for his job but for his personal obsession.

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Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite industry personalities for a couple

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Speaker 1: of reasons. He's just down to earth and he's truly

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Speaker 1: honest about his hunting motivations. I love that, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear that in this episode. He's also just eate

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Speaker 1: up with hunting because he loves it, and he'll shoot

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Speaker 1: a deer for meat just as quickly as he'll drop

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Speaker 1: the hammer on a big buck, which is something you know,

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Speaker 1: I love too. I had a great time chatting with him,

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Speaker 1: and I think you're going to love his fresh take

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Speaker 1: on hunting and his in depth strategies for staying on

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Speaker 1: bucks from the last part of October all the way

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Speaker 1: through November. Brodie Swisher, it is good to see your face, buddy, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: man always good to say you and catch up every

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Speaker 1: few months every season, whatever it is, man a, it's

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Speaker 1: good to get back in the groove. It catch up

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Speaker 1: with you a bit. So we were we were just

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Speaker 1: chatting off air. You and I have hunted together a

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Speaker 1: few times. We've known each other, I don't know, six seven,

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Speaker 1: eight years now, and when we were going to set

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Speaker 1: up this interview, I looked back on our text strings

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Speaker 1: to see if I could find your Skype user name

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Speaker 1: so I could look you up. And I had totally

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Speaker 1: forgotten about this, you know, but we hunted Florida together

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Speaker 1: on that freaking mosquito fest down there a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: and there's a there's a part of that text string

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Speaker 1: where I had grunted in a spike and I was

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Speaker 1: I was texting the guy who was kind of in

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Speaker 1: I need to shoot. I gotta shoot it. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: how big is it. I'm like, it's a spike. He's like,

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Speaker 1: you can't shoot it. So I was texting you at

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Speaker 1: the same time, and You're like, you gotta shoot that

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Speaker 1: won't let me. Yeah. Well, I remember that hunt well

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Speaker 1: and I think about it every season. Honestly. It's just,

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Speaker 1: you know, good or bad on the outcome of the hunt.

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Speaker 1: It's always good memories. You know, some stories in there,

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Speaker 1: but I just remember the same deal. I think it's

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Speaker 1: my last ton of the of the you know, the

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Speaker 1: for spike. And I'm just I'm ready to you know

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Speaker 1: slapped you on the handsaid, no, you can't do that,

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Speaker 1: and the same dal on the first day. I remember

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Speaker 1: I'm fixing to send it on one of these suckers,

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Speaker 1: and oh no, you can't shoot those. I was like, dude,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have come to Florida if I'd have known

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Speaker 1: think about that, I think, here, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: And so that was a media hunt, right. We were

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Speaker 1: people This Camel company brought us down there to do

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Speaker 1: We're not doing that. But man, here's the deal. I mean, um,

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Speaker 1: And so it is just I'm very much an opportunistic hunter.

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Speaker 1: of lay low. But again you get into that last

425
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 1: last week October one, part of November, and uh again

426
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,080
Speaker 1: just catching them starting to slip up on their feet

427
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 1: a little more, get out and venture around a little more.

428
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: You's just a good time to be be in the tree.

429
00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 1: Are you when you're when you're talking about this late

430
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: October type of hunting where you're calling and you're you know,

431
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: hopefully close to a betting area, are you? Because when

432
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 1: when you talk about that, I think about my strategy

433
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 1: and I really go, if you were to take like,

434
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, October twenty, I'm probably gonna be a

435
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: staging area, you know by Halloween or November one, then

436
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm really starting to think those pinch points and and

437
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, like the terrain, really using the terrain to

438
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 1: my advantage. But when you talk about late October white ties,

439
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're talking about kind of got those

440
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 1: bucks pinned down. You're like, all right, he's probably gonna

441
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: betting here. I know he's going to that plotter, he's

442
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: going to that field. You're gonna creep in there to

443
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: that cover pretty close and just use that his his

444
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of willingness to just get up little earlier in daylight,

445
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: move around, make some rubs. But it sounds like you're

446
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: talking about in the cover strategy mostly yeah, very much.

447
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: So it is at staging area. UM, and I saw

448
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: it real well. It's able to show it to my

449
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 1: son several excuse me, several years ago. You know, we're

450
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: just sit in the field and watch the field and um,

451
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: and you know, night after night, he's like, hey, we

452
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't see anything. You know, we didn't see anything, and

453
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: nothing happened in the field. There's just no deer moving.

454
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: And uh. We we came out on a trail that

455
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: we had found in the field and uh, entry trail

456
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 1: to the field, and I just I mean, look, let's

457
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: back down this trailer. Are always coming out last light, dark, whatever,

458
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: We always find them there. And we found that trail.

459
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: We just backtracked down about semi five yards hundred yards

460
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: into the woods and just down a little just just

461
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: a little knife ridge and um, just very narrow trail

462
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: right up the sides of it though. And we set

463
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: up in there and and it was just nine and

464
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: day difference, catching those deer again late October, and they

465
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: were just all hanging out right there and I'm like, dude,

466
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: we missed it. We're sitting out and field waiting on

467
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: something to happen in the field. But it's all right here.

468
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: We would have never known were back at stand up

469
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: in there and um, get him up in there, and

470
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: he was able to kill a ten pointer and it

471
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 1: just came right down the trail right in front of him,

472
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: and uh, just a beautiful thing, man. And and uh again,

473
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: it's just backing up, catching those staging areas, finding those

474
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 1: deer that slid out of their bedding areas. And and

475
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: they're not blowing out that field yet, corn beans, whatever

476
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: it is. They're not blowing out there yet. They're still

477
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: hanging back the safety to security of that little staging area. Yeah,

478
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about that, you bring up

479
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: a really really uh interesting point there about just a

480
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: reset moment of going back seventy five yards. This is

481
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: a mistake a lot of people make. And I think

482
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 1: we've had some mixed messaging in the in you know,

483
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: kind of in the public land, do it yourself type

484
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: of world where there's a lot of people pushing this

485
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: betting message and there's people who are super good at

486
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: hunting beds. But I think for the average person, it's

487
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: probably better to be like, really incremental in your strategy.

488
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: So if you, like you said, if you get on

489
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: that field edge and you really want to hunt there

490
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: and they aren't showing, the assumption is there either I

491
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: gotta go right in on top of his bed or

492
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: they're nocturnal, both of which are probably not true, or

493
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: they either not inherently true. And when you're when you're

494
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: bow hunting, even private land, public land, it doesn't really

495
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: seem to matter. Those deer that you guys that you're

496
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: talking about there and taking your son in there and

497
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: killing them, those you are just waiting for you guys

498
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: to leave. There's a reason they're staging in there. They

499
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: know where that hunting pressure is concentrated, and they know

500
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: as little as seventy five yards away they're safe to

501
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: get up and eat some acorns or do whatever they want,

502
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: make a rub, check a scrape. They're just not going

503
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: out where you've been concentrating your pressure, and as little

504
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: of a move as that is can make all the difference. Absolutely. Yeah,

505
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: excuse me, And I think we we do between checking

506
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: stuff scouting stuff, and you know we gotta be scouting.

507
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: I get it. But I think so many guys underestimate

508
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: the fact that every scouting trip they make, every trail

509
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 1: camera check they make, every time they're sitting foot in

510
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: there and trim and shooting lanes, going back and double

511
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: checking everything's good and just wanting to look one more time,

512
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: and all the stuff of that human pressure in there,

513
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: And they just underestimate to the fact that those deer

514
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: no man. You know, you may get by with the

515
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, the young bucks, young does and stuff, may

516
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: not give a rip, but those mature deer no bucks,

517
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: those whatever, they know. Dude, they know you the first

518
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: time you step in those woods, I believe, you know.

519
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 1: That's why you gotta make it happen that first centrail

520
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: you lay down, And yes, they just immediately. I think

521
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: of the places we've seen you just know right away,

522
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: hey we're gonna slide that a little further down the field.

523
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna make you know, instead of coming

524
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: out where always did all of a sudden you notice

525
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: came out, you know, hundred yards further down the buield,

526
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, coincidence? I don't. I don't think so. I

527
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: think those dudes know they're playing you just as much

528
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: as you're playing them. Yeah, well they are and there,

529
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: you know, I think about you know, I hunt like

530
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: northern Wisconsin quite a bit around end of October beginning

531
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: in November, and so there's you know a lot of

532
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: years where you're dealing with snow right like you might

533
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: get a couple inches of fresh snow. And the one

534
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: thing that always just amazes me is, you know, if

535
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: I throw up a stand on private land and leave

536
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: it up overnight and we get snow, it's almost a

537
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: guarantee that I'll see deer tracks walking up to that

538
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: sucker and somewhere throughout the night. And it's the same

539
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: thing when you put up a trail camera. You know,

540
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: the first series of pictures you get are almost always

541
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: dear looking at it, and a lot of times you

542
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: get that old dough sniffing right on it or the

543
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: butt I mean, and it's you think, oh, they smelled it.

544
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they smelled it, maybe they saw it. It doesn't matter.

545
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: They knew you were there and they and they checked

546
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: it out. And you think about, you know that the

547
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: strategy that's so common is to hunt early, sit on

548
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: your field edges, and then kind of take a break

549
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: during the lull or whatever, and then swing back around

550
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: this time of year and started getting out of those

551
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: field edges again, waiting for those does to draw the

552
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: bucks out. But all of that pressure in the same spot,

553
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: it just puts them off. And you know when you

554
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: like you said something earlier about nocturnal bucks and you know, like, wow,

555
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: maybe their nocturnal, maybe they're not, or something to that effect.

556
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: I literally don't believe there's a nocturnal deer out there,

557
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: like right, you know, and you you've seen this, I'm

558
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: sure when you go hunt like western white tails, I

559
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: mean you can do this with meal deer too, even

560
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: though they're different. But you go watch western white tails

561
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: bed down somewhere out in the stage or something, and

562
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: if you if you hang with them, those deer get up,

563
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: they reposition with the sun, with the wind. They browsed

564
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: for a while, or you know, you get into a

565
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: situation like I killed a buck a couple of years

566
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: ago in Nebraska on public land on h opening night

567
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: ors the second night, I can't remember the first two

568
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: days of the season, and they were betting in the

569
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: middle of a bean field on this walk in land.

570
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: They'd get up feed for a while, bed down, get

571
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: up all day long. And you know, I mean those

572
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: are deer on public land. There's people messing around there.

573
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: And they're still not they're not nocturnal the way we

574
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: think they're just not like you said, they're they're not

575
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: coming out into that field blown across it at noon

576
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: because they're out of their minds with the buzz and

577
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: they're nuts. That's right, that's exactly, you know, the nocturnal thing.

578
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: Um again, they're they're moving somewhere. You know, we have

579
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: this idea that there, oh, they're not moving unless they're not. Well,

580
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: they're just they're not moving where you're at. You know,

581
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: they're not moving in those easy stands you've got hung

582
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: out there, just you know, right next to your truck

583
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if you dig a little deeper, you

584
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: got a little further in. And like you said earlier,

585
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: just talking about the increments, don't don't just bust it

586
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 1: in there and and go, hey, we've got to get

587
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the bedding air right now, because

588
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: they're not coming in the field anymore. But just keep

589
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: checking away, you know, and just a little increments and

590
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: take it in seventy five yards closer a hundred yards

591
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 1: and just see what you got. Maybe they don't hit

592
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: that that night. You need to realize, hey, I've got

593
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: to take it on in another a little bit. Just

594
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: keep working your way in um letting that activity dictate

595
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of how far you go. Um But like I said,

596
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: he's moving somewhere. He's gonna stand up, he's gonna get

597
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: out of that sun. He's gonna move over it. Maybe

598
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: ten yards, maybe fifty yards. He's gonna move and reposition

599
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: himself with the wind, get out of the sun, find

600
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: the shade, uh brows a little bit whatever, and um,

601
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: so he's moving somewhere. It's just a matter you being

602
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: in that spot. Man, close that spot where you can

603
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: see that activity when he does stand up. Yeah, And

604
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: I think when to go back to what you talked

605
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: about where your son killed that buck and just moving

606
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: seventy five yards off. When you think about you think

607
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: about how important confidence is to so much stuff, Like

608
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, I talk about this a lot, but you

609
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: know I trained bird dogs and I work with professional

610
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: dog trainers all the time, and the good ones they're

611
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: just helping dogs constantly develop confidence, new situations, new people, whatever.

612
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: And you think about white tail hunting and the one

613
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: thing that we do a lot or you see a

614
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: lot of you know, a lot of new hunters do

615
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: as they go, they give into that gotta be where

616
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: you can see mentality. Rifle hunters do this like crazy.

617
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the reasons why the rifle

618
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: hunting or the general gun hunting success is so low

619
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: I think or could be higher, is because we just

620
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: have to be where we can see. And so you

621
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: think about if you've got that field edge. One of

622
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: the best strategies people could take is if you're if

623
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: your action dies, you just go get off of that

624
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: sucker yards and start looking go in, you know, like

625
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: you said, follow that trail and follow it back. But

626
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: the problem we have is we we were like, well,

627
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set up so i can shoot that edge,

628
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna set up so I'm close enough and

629
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: do both. And oftentimes you just have to go I'm

630
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be on this edge today. I'm not sitting

631
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: over this field. I'm just gonna move in a little

632
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: bit and I'm gonna be looking the opposite way. I'm

633
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: gonna look back into the cover and I'm gonna see

634
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: what those you are doing and you see him. When

635
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: you see him staging, it's just obvious. You know, you

636
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: see him work through one way, or it works through

637
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: another way, or you know he's making a rub here,

638
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you see the buck come

639
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: up from the other side and they meet up for

640
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: a while, and you just look at it and go,

641
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: that's just where they're they're they're just they're comfortable mingling

642
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: there in dayly, those spots are money. Yeah, that's it's

643
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: so fun to be in those spots too, because like

644
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: you said, they're comfortable there. They know they're good. They're

645
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: in their mind they're good. They're they're not walking out

646
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: like we see him so many times, skinnes nervous, on edge.

647
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: They just they know they're in a spot that they're

648
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: good to go. They've been doing it on a routine.

649
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: That's the staging area where it's a sanctuary in their mind.

650
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: They feel comfortable and they just kind of like you said,

651
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: congregate there, chill waiting on that soun, crawl down and um,

652
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a lot of fun to to

653
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: just to discover those spots. When you find that spot,

654
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: you know you've got something and that's the spot where

655
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: stuff's gonna happen and and um, yeah, that's where my

656
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: phone hunting nap is full of those kind of spots

657
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that did I just look forward to every year when

658
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: the wind gets right and and everything's lining up to

659
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: get into those spots. And um, that's when you're on

660
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: the edge of your your stand whatever it is, because

661
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: it's it's getting ready to happen. Yeah, you get. You know,

662
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: we talked about this all the time. You know, the

663
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: first SIT's the best in the stand or you know,

664
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: that's the mobile hunting strategy is so so popular for

665
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: partially for this reason, but really one of the benefits.

666
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: We don't talk about getting into a spot like that

667
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: when you talk about where dear comfortable you they're easier

668
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: to hunt like they're just not you know, you talk

669
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: about that littleknife ridge. You're talking about where that that

670
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: feeds up to that food source. They're traveling in a

671
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: certain way, they're using the wind and they're looking and

672
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: they're they're not expecting danger there the way they are

673
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: when they pop into that food plot. Or you know,

674
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: over in Wisconsin where we hunt, baiting is legal and

675
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: if you just put a trail camera, I don't you

676
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: don't even you don't have to have any corn in

677
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: front of it, or you put a new ladder stand up.

678
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: I think those dey are so used to walking into

679
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: like oh, there's another corn pile here, there's a camera there,

680
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: there's a ladder stand twenty yards away. And if you

681
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: tip them off like I I do really well over

682
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: there showing up and hanging stands in places that they're

683
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: not associating anything with humans, and I just think they

684
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: just they get to it. There's like a certain set

685
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: of you know, factors in in in a spot that

686
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: they just go, oh, I've seen that before. I've seen

687
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: this before. Every time I come into this there's there's

688
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: bad smells here, and they're just more on edge, like

689
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: just like that little kill plot you sit over and

690
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: over and over again, and like, yeah, it can be

691
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: a producer all season long. But I think you're also

692
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: just tipping your hat to them, like like they know, okay, this,

693
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: this is this is a more dangerous place than that

694
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: spot I like back on that knob over on the

695
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: hill that nobody seems to come into. Yeah. Absolutely, you know,

696
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: people don't realize that those deer about the time, we

697
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: feel like we've got them patterned, you know, those deer,

698
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: we've got us patterned. You know, they pattern us and

699
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: and get us on a routine just as easy. So,

700
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: like you said, it's so important to not let them

701
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: get you in a routine and not always slipping from

702
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: the same way, not always follow the same trails in,

703
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: same trails out you know, do um and you just

704
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: trying different things, you know, don't don't keep playing the

705
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: same game each time, and just let those near you

706
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: know pattern you um, get in that spot where they

707
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: never see it coming. And UM, it's that's a fun

708
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: spot to be for sure. It is. So when you're

709
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: talking late October maybe early November, and you're talking about

710
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: calling what what do you what you going with here? Rattling?

711
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Yeah, rattling for me is just

712
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: because of the volume that you can produce with rattling horns.

713
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of been the thing for me. Rattling with

714
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: running mixed in and um again, I'll just get into

715
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: some of those areas again, late late October, early November. Um,

716
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of those young bucks running.

717
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: They're just a young year and a half old bucks whatever,

718
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: and they're just running wide open, chasing every slick head

719
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: they see. Um. But I like to put those horns

720
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: together and start that calling, just because I want that

721
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: buck to think, hey, you know what, maybe maybe there

722
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: is something going on this time. You know, they hear

723
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: all the commotion and the bucks chasing, and a lot

724
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: of times I feel like they're just laying over there,

725
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: just chilling, um, waiting on time to be right or

726
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: get the right smell they aren't waiting for. But um, again,

727
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: just curiosity. You know, a lot of times that's all

728
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: it takes. Just get that buck on his feet and

729
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: getting come and check you out. Just a curiosity and

730
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: get him cruising over your way. And again I'm not

731
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: often trying to call him out into a field and

732
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: you know all that stuff. It's just that a little bit,

733
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: a little bit action in some of those spots. That again,

734
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: that that you know that they're comfortable hanging out in

735
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: our spots, that they've proven the trail cameras or whatever

736
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: to to frequent, and um, just letting them know there's

737
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: a story going on over here. Everybody loves a good fighting,

738
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the the thing, you know, I

739
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: want that that big buck to know that not only

740
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: are these young bucks overre chasing your dos. Um, now

741
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: there's some stuff happening and they're fighting over though is

742
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: something is intensified And again just painting that picture. Uh,

743
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: and it's again you know people after you call them

744
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: up every time. Heck, no, man, there's more times than

745
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: not you don't. But when it's happening, Um, it's so fun.

746
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: And it it's usually once a year from me when

747
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: I'll rattle antlers and put them down. Here comes a

748
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: buck and then you let him go off and give

749
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: me a while and rattle again, and it's just it's

750
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: just one of those bucks at that peak curiosity moment.

751
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: And uh again, nine times out of ten, it's gonna

752
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: be that small guy. But every once in a while

753
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: you pick it up and and uh play the game,

754
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: paint the picture and a good buck of step out.

755
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: I saw it, uh several years ago, hunting a little

756
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: public piece on the edge of swamp and it was

757
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: just a piece where everything's cruises through and uh rattled antlers, Uh,

758
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: running a little bit and had a can call tip

759
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: the can call over and I mean it was under

760
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: a minute and Uh, this buck comes cruising up looking

761
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: and it's just that thick stuff you're talking about. And

762
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I just came right up through the edge that stuff

763
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: looking got to shoot him and fell over it right

764
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: there in front of me. And so again, calling is

765
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: not a strategy that's gonna work every time. It's just

766
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: another tool tool in your bag of tricks and um.

767
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: But it's a time of year, I think again, late October,

768
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: early November, when uh it works the best. You know,

769
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: I think in my in my experience where I hunt,

770
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: are you are you doing mornings mostly? Are you doing

771
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: mornings and evenings? I'll start Yeah, at that time of year,

772
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, right, is work cracking in on the end

773
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: of the month, Um, you know, heading into November, I'll

774
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: start hitting those morning set for sure, you know, just

775
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: because I am digging into a little deeper areas that

776
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: I can get. I mean calling wise, like rattling wise called. Yeah,

777
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, I'll call either that that ten point I

778
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: just mentioned that that I killed wasn't morning, you know,

779
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: the first forty five minutes a daylight and uh, and

780
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: so just call them right in place, right time. So yeah,

781
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: I can't say whether one, you know, morning or afternoon

782
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: is worked better. I've I've experienced both and and maybe

783
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: even more more so in the mornings. You know. Uh,

784
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: if I look back and say, a lot of the

785
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: times that I've called it, it's been those morning sets,

786
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: you know. Uh so, yeah, I'll hit him on either side,

787
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: morning or afternoon. When you're when you're rattling, do you

788
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: do you always just start out with a little tickle

789
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: and then work your way up. Yeah, And and for

790
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: me it's it's very short. You know, a lot of

791
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: guys get the get the antlers and they're just busting

792
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: antlers and just going at it and just getting fired

793
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: up and going you know, minute two minutes or whatever.

794
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: But um, you know, you look at if you've seen

795
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: bucks fight, I mean, there's not a lot of nonstock.

796
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: They're not just rattling and rattling. Rattling there, rattling. Then

797
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: they lock up and then it's more you're stomping the ground,

798
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: it's leaves getting shoved around. It's more shoving match at

799
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: that point, just to tickle. And then they rattled together

800
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: and they bust loose and they'll head together again and

801
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: they lock up. And so um, yeah, I start off

802
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: light and then uh and I work up to you know,

803
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: a substantial fight. But for me, it's it's really just

804
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: keeping it short, just to light you know, tickle the horns,

805
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: keep it quick, you know, fift twenty seconds or whatever,

806
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: and stop and and get ready because I mean, if

807
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: you're in that area where it's happening, Um man, I've

808
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: gotten busted so many times, you know, sitting there for

809
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: thirty forty five seconds a minute with horns and just rattling,

810
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: and you walk in and get busted. So just a

811
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: quick little fight, let them know something's come together and

812
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: put their heads together and then uh, hang them up

813
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: and get ready. So you you try to add in

814
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: other other sound elements into your rattling sequences. I will,

815
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: I'll I'll throw some grunts in and um, you know,

816
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: just um typically i'm in the tree, if I'm on

817
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: the ground, I'll stomp the ground and different stuff like that.

818
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I know there's a lot of

819
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: stuff I'll see guys do that will um you know,

820
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: as far as breaking brush or breaking branches and stuff

821
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: and all those things, you know, adding you know, trying

822
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: to add some real realism to it. But um, for me,

823
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: it's you know, just grunting. Um, you know, and and

824
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: hitting those horns together. And then like I said, when

825
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: I wrap up, I'll tip a can call over. I

826
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys are laugh at a can

827
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: style call, you know. And again never, you know, never

828
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: works every time. But I've had enough hunts that they

829
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: have come in on a string that I'll that I'll

830
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: use that again, just telling that picture you gotta fight

831
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: over here, you've got two bucks going at it um

832
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: and then having that that can call just tells, hey,

833
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a dough that they're they're

834
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: fighting for, you know, and just try to paint that picture. Yeah,

835
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a real eye opener when you when

836
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: you see a real buck fight close. Yeah, you know,

837
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean I think about it. You know, if you

838
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: if you hunt, you know a lot of people who

839
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: hunt out east or who hunt public land generally have

840
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: probably heard their neighbors rattling like and when you hear it,

841
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: it's like listening to a politician speak. You're just like,

842
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: this is not. There's bullshit here, Like, this is not

843
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: it's not the right soundscape, you know, And when you

844
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: see like you know, you said, everybody loves a good fight.

845
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: The first one I ever saw. I was in high

846
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: school and I was on this ridge this valley below me,

847
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: and I heard a fight breakout below me, and I'm

848
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: glassen and I picked up these two bucks and at

849
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: the time they were huge to me. They were probably

850
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: like two year olds, but they were bigger than the

851
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: spikes and four keys we were usually targeting. And those

852
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: two bucks started fighting, and because of my vantage point

853
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: I had, I saw like nine deer run in and

854
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: watch this thing. It was like one of the most

855
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: amazing experiences I've had in the woods. And it made

856
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: me realize because we had tried rattling, and it made

857
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: me realize, like, man, when these deer actually go at it,

858
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's a real short duration lock up,

859
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: but it's loud and there's a lot going on, like

860
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: you know that that was in October, so they were

861
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: as you know, the leaf litter was out and you know,

862
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: breaking branches. It just opens your eyes, like, yeah, if

863
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: you're a buck there, like we give them too much

864
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: credit a lot of times for being smart, I think,

865
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: but they're they're cautious. And if they're sitting there listening

866
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: and they're like okay, this just they're probably not thinking, man,

867
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: this is weird that their antlers are hitting together. But

868
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: I can't hear their hoofs on the ground. But there's

869
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: probably something just like a turkey when it walks in

870
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: and your decoy shines wrong. It's not like that's a

871
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: fake bird. It's just like, I don't feel good about

872
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: this anymore. I'm going away, you know what I mean, Like,

873
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: there's probably not like a whole lot of thought to it.

874
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: And and so I think a lot of times people

875
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: don't sell their calling sessions. I mean, man, I was

876
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: sitting in uh. I was sitting over a river in uh,

877
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: North Dakota, probably I don't know, three or four years

878
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: ago in mid October, and I had these two bucks

879
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: come down to cross to me and they met in

880
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: the river and they started fighting in the river. And

881
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it was like it sounded like they

882
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 1: were storming the beach at Normandy. Man. There was rocks

883
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: just like cracking and splashing, and it was like fifty

884
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: thousand times louder than most of our rattling sessions would

885
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: ever even consider being, you know, and it was it

886
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: just it was like, oh, here's to pound animals fighting.

887
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: This is not you know, like this is not play right,

888
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: Like these these dudes are trying to kill each other,

889
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: and the sound to it, it's just so vastly different

890
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: than what we probably put into most of our average

891
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: calling sessions. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, there's there's certainly a death

892
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: difference in those shoving matches. You know that those those bucks,

893
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: so you know when they come out of velvet, you know,

894
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: back earlier on in the month and and you know

895
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: September even, you know, and they stripped that velvet and

896
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: they would go from being buddies to to start, you know,

897
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: just establishing who's the boss, and you know they're just

898
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: kind of shoving matches there. But yeah, like you're talking

899
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: about that in the river throw down death match. I mean,

900
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: that's that's where there's some serious commotion going on. And

901
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: so you know, again it just comes down to what

902
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: you're you know, trying to tell what the story and

903
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: what kind of you know, audible you need to cast

904
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: as far as you're you know, how far you need

905
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: to get that sound out there, banging on that again

906
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: and um. But again for me is making those calling

907
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: sequences short, um, putting together that sound and then and

908
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: then hang it up, because man, so many times. I

909
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: can tell you so many more times than not. I'll

910
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: get I'll get caught in the past anyway, I've gotten

911
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: busted sitting there standing with the horns in my hand,

912
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: and here he comes walking out looking and they're coming

913
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: in looking, you know, like you said, curious. So we're

914
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: on the lookout when they're coming in, and uh, I

915
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: just don't get don't get caught with your grunt call

916
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: and your hand calling, your antlers in your hand and

917
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: get thought looking, you know. So yeah, it's it's it's

918
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: definitely something to think about. It. It's an interesting thing.

919
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the great intangibles of

920
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: this when you're talking about calling in the pre rutting

921
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: during the rut is when you you know, if you

922
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: go said, I'll never forget I I sat during a

923
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: rifle season in Minnesota years ago on this property and

924
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: the neighbor was rattling and it was like once every

925
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: ten minutes that guy would bang the antlers together and

926
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: create this fake fight, and it would be like two

927
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon, six days into guns season. I'm like, dude,

928
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: and and you know, like when you're talking about that

929
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: buck that you rattled in and you you get close

930
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: to the swamp and you get in the right spot,

931
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: and then the timing feels right. It's just like it's

932
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: a it's a hard thing to talk about because we

933
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: sell these ideas like we'll go and rattle in the

934
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: pre rut or the first couple of days in November.

935
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: But the people who really know what they're doing with

936
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: this stuff, they're sitting there going, this is the right time,

937
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: like this this I can just feel it in the air.

938
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: It's cool. It's ten minutes into first light and I

939
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: can see really well. Or you know, I was, You're

940
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: on stand in the afternoon and it's a little later

941
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: and then the clouds roll in and the light changes

942
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: and the wind shifts, so you go, just this is

943
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna be on their feet right now. This is

944
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: where I'm callable. And so it's a it's a really

945
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: fun thing to talk about. But I always just want

946
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: to caution people, like understand that you know you said

947
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: this multiple times that this is not like a guarantee,

948
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: and it is not. I mean, it's it might be

949
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: like a ten percent success right maybe depending on where

950
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: you hunt, but you can up those odds if you

951
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: if you call like deer actually sound and you're just

952
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: reading those conditions going, you know, two o'clock in the afternoon,

953
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: sun's high overhead. I haven't seen a freaking song bird

954
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: in three hours. It's not the time, but six thirty

955
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: at night and it's you know, get a little darker

956
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: and that you know, the attempts drop twenty degrees or

957
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, now now this is the time. Yeah. Absolutely,

958
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: And I think of another hunt from several years back

959
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: that again talking about the can call. Um, I don't

960
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: know that I've ever heard. I might have heard dear blee,

961
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: I've heard dear grunt do different things, um, but I

962
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: don't know I've ever heard of can you know a

963
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: deer sounding just like a can call, you know, long

964
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: drawn out deal. That's why some people say it's no good.

965
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: But I was hunting in the timber several years ago

966
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: gunn season, sitting up there with my bowl, and I

967
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: had watched it looked like a spiker or forky something

968
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: just going back and forth chasing this dog again, just

969
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: like good gosh man, leave her alone whatever. He's just

970
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: going nuts back and forth over the little saddleite in

971
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: front of over the ridge doing their thing. But then

972
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: one time I look up and I heard crashing again,

973
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: and I look up and I see some handler. I

974
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: put my buydose up and I say, and that's not

975
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: the spiker. And he's by himself, and he had come

976
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: in looking he heard the sound of all the commotion,

977
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: and I took He was probably eighty two hundred yards

978
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: out and I just tipped that can call, pulled out

979
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: in my pocket, tipped it over and I look up

980
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: and it caught us attention. Here he comes down that

981
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: ridge I was sitting on. He walked yards and he'd

982
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: stopped and excuse me. I tipped the can call over again.

983
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: He'd get a read on it. Here he comes to

984
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: the twenty five yards and man, I just kept it up.

985
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: He again walked twenty twenty yards. He look up, ears

986
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: come up, looking and listening. Hit him. I think I

987
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: did three or four, you know, it licks on that

988
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: can call and he marched up there and turned broadside.

989
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: I shot him right there at eighteen yards maybe, but

990
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: he what's the classic example of that deer that was

991
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: here in the sound of some rutting activity, he heard

992
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: that chasing and again a spike buck chasing the doll around,

993
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: and he heard that, he came looking for that, he

994
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: came to investigating, he knew what was up, and then

995
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: just intercepted him with that can call and put him

996
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: in there and made the shot. Nice buck and and

997
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: so um again, no call works every time. Don't let

998
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: somebody tell you they do. But I like that in

999
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the in the toolbag, just because there is a time

1000
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: when they will and um, you know, take their temperature.

1001
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: Use those calls. See what you got early November, you know,

1002
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: early part of the rut. It's um all the time.

1003
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: Oftentimes it's excuse me, just what you need to get

1004
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: him in there where you want him with that boat.

1005
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: That what you said there about that buck here and

1006
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: that little guy chasing around. I read something years and

1007
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: years ago that Scott Bestel wrote in Field and Stream,

1008
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: where I think it was Scott Bestl where he said

1009
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: the best deer call you could probably ever have would

1010
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: be the sound of deer running. Yeah, and I mean

1011
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: it's just but again, you know, and that's the strategy

1012
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: people use walking into their stands and stuff. You know,

1013
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: if you if and I firmly believe in it, I

1014
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: believe in the same way I don't know if you

1015
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: do this or not, but I carry a mouth call,

1016
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: a turkey mouth call with me a lot. And if

1017
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: I have to walk in and there's leaves and it's calm,

1018
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: I just scratched my way in and I yelped softly.

1019
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: And I've had I've had two awesome things happened there.

1020
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: I've had deer be really close to me, and I've

1021
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: called in turkeys when I've done it. And but but

1022
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: just sounding you know, sounding like the woods is really important. Um.

1023
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: When you let's let's say you strike out on this

1024
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: late October right away in November pattern and you're moving

1025
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: to the just chasing, chasing phase crazy November seven eight,

1026
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: things should be busting open. Where are you sitting? Yeah,

1027
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the deal for me. November twelve

1028
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: has always has become my my hot days used to be, uh,

1029
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, when I lived in Motana, I had a

1030
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: streak of November eight being the day to go to

1031
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: day for me and just killed bucks on that day

1032
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: for a number of years. And then when I got

1033
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: back the Tennessee, it became November twelve through thirteen, fourteens

1034
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: right in there. And so that's kind of where I've

1035
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: looked and where I you know, had some good success

1036
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: here West. Gonna see you over the recent years. But uh,

1037
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: in those couple of years, I've noticed that, you know,

1038
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: just catching those deer slipping along a couple of different

1039
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: transition lines. And you know, I've got some uh thick

1040
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: cover that I love to sit in several spots, and

1041
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: it's just that that ticket where I know those doves

1042
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: are going to hang out and they're gonna be in

1043
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: there going there to bed, and those bucks have just

1044
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: come up cruising that that um getting that transition line

1045
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: and he'll be on that down one side and he

1046
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: can just cruise up that line and and uh check

1047
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: that area for anything happening. That just it happens to

1048
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: be where my tree stands at. So um two different

1049
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: pieces of property that I think back on that I've

1050
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: I've been successful on from that and they're both the

1051
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: same situation, catching bucks slipping that that low slide of

1052
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: that transition line and um that may be pinch points

1053
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: that maybe just again transition lines. And I got an

1054
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: oak ridge that's more open and they'body cruising through the

1055
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: oak ridge. But you know, you just down down one

1056
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: side of that ticket with you know, where the does

1057
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: hang out. And so those are a couple of fun spots.

1058
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: But again just getting getting those travel routes where that

1059
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: I know that those bucks, those doves have been are

1060
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: there gonna be at some point cruising in and out

1061
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: of you can dang sure bet come you know November tenth, seventh,

1062
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: eight tenth, and the fifteenth or whatever, that he's not

1063
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna be far behind you. You know, I love seeing

1064
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: six seven doughs go by, and you know you're thinking, man,

1065
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: why is there not a buck with him? Just give

1066
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: him some time because he's coming. He won't be far behind,

1067
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: and he's gonna come and just sent check that area

1068
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: that they just you know, went into and bedded, you know,

1069
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: and so um yeah, So I look for those transition

1070
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: lines areas you know, on again on the outside lines

1071
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: of those, and I'll set up shop on that just

1072
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: knowing that he's gonna be on that down one side. Obviously,

1073
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work the win, play the win

1074
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: on those situations and and um, but looking for those

1075
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: places where I know that buck can cruise that down

1076
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: one side of it and he can check that whole area,

1077
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, and and they're so slick like that, you

1078
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: know they they'll do that. And I watched the buck

1079
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: come through several years ago on at low side of

1080
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: the bottoms, and I watched and I saw him coming

1081
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: from an hundred yards away and he would come through

1082
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: and he'd have that that knows up and uh just

1083
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: lip curl and he'd go and make a scrape. He

1084
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: checked scrapes and licking branches. But he was just working

1085
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: up that you know that low uh bottom side, you

1086
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: know bottom greenbriers, all the betting gear and he was

1087
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: just checking it out and so um, just catching those

1088
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: bucks cruising up that line, looking and lifting. Do you

1089
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: think because there's I mean, there's really kind of two

1090
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: facts of rut hunting strategies right there. Is that hunt

1091
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: the does strategy, And what you're talking about is playing

1092
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: a doe betting area. You know a lot of people

1093
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: will just go to the food sources and wait for

1094
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: the doors to come out and hope they bring a

1095
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: buck out with them, which which works too. But your

1096
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: strategy is really doable, I think for more pressure ground

1097
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: stuff like I I like that, Like personally, I like

1098
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: dough betting areas and getting on the downwind side way

1099
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: more than playing that food source game for rutting bucks.

1100
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: But then you've got the other faction that's like, I

1101
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: got this badass pinch point, I've got this funnel whatever

1102
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: it is. That terrain is just like you're gonna go

1103
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: right here. If you go, if you go from point

1104
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: A to point B, then you've got that strategy. And

1105
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: I kind of think that in my experience, the best,

1106
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: the best hunting I've seen has probably been working those

1107
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: doe betting areas and playing that down wind game. But

1108
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: in some low density situations, are certain situations you just

1109
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: can't beat that terrain feature, like if you if you

1110
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: just have that confidence, like listen, I got four days

1111
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: or five days or whatever. If I post up here

1112
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: and the wind doesn't switch out of the north or

1113
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: the west, somebody's coming through, and it's it's just kind

1114
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: of it's kind of situational, you know, oh absolutely, yeah.

1115
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: I think about the bottleneck that we've had off the field.

1116
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: Beautiful field, but it's kind of the best of both

1117
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: worlds because you can see in the fields, but you've

1118
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: got an incredible bottleneck that's coming up in the timber

1119
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: from a oak ridge bottleneck coming out of the bottom.

1120
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: And it's money. I mean, just it's money. I mean,

1121
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: when the rud comes, you can you can plan on

1122
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: the doors flipping through that bottleneck. It's just a travel route, man,

1123
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: They're gonna be somebody coming through there. And uh, there's

1124
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: been a lot of bucks over the years, you know,

1125
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: taking right there again. Um, they're not out in the

1126
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: wide open for long. But when they cross, that's the

1127
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: spot they're doing at that bottleneck. Cross that field pinches

1128
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: down to little gap right there, and I mean it's

1129
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: just a gauntlet, man. They can come through there and

1130
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of fun and those kind of spots

1131
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, those are those are kind of savior

1132
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: ass situations because you can you can sit something like

1133
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: that and and just have the confidence that eventually they're

1134
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: coming through that that you know, playing a doe betting

1135
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: area type of of hunt. So situational on the wind,

1136
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know everything we do is, but

1137
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: some of those you just have you have to be

1138
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: able to get in there, and you have to be

1139
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: mindful of those doughs. You have to be mindful of

1140
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: playing the wind. So it's good for you or so

1141
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: it's good for him, But better for you. And it's

1142
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: that to me, is like a little bit more of

1143
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: a nuanced and I think that's kind of why we

1144
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: lean so hard into the terrain, you know, the funnel's

1145
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: pinch point strategy, because some of those are just they're

1146
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: just no brainers, Like you just see them and you go, well,

1147
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: if they if they want to get from this ridge

1148
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: to that ridge, they're either gonna cross here, they gotta

1149
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: jump forty ft across this washout. You know, like some

1150
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: of that stuff is just it's so easy. But there's

1151
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: like a subtlety to that dough betting areas strategy of going, Okay,

1152
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: the doors are gonna come in this way, or they're

1153
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: gonna be in here in this spot. He's probably coming

1154
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: from that direction or that direction. He's using the wind

1155
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: to his advantage, and he's using his eyes to his advantage.

1156
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: Now I got to get into a position where he

1157
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: thinks he's safe, but I'm close enough to shoot him,

1158
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: Like it's a that's like a chess game, and that that's,

1159
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: to me, is like the most fun kind of like

1160
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: set up to find when you're in the rut. Yeah. Absolutely,

1161
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: And you know you talked about that and just letting

1162
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: that buck feel like he's good. You know, the wind's

1163
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: good for him, but you can make it work as well.

1164
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: And that's so huge, you know, because a lot of guys,

1165
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: I think they say, oh, the wind's bad for me today. Well, man,

1166
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: what is it you gotta do to make it doable

1167
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: for you? Um? But still let that buck thinks, you know,

1168
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: during his favor and um so I do. I like

1169
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: those spots where I've got you know, a plan, a

1170
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: plan base. Hey the wind is not good, Well I

1171
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: can get right over here and make it good. And

1172
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: just those little subtleties, man, just getting those small little moves. Um. Again,

1173
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I had a lot of cross wind st for that reason,

1174
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: just knowing that, hey, this wind may bite me, you know,

1175
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: but I've got this this wind of opportunity. If I

1176
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: can make it, he's he's gonna feel good about it.

1177
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: And I've got my opportunity has tightened up. But it's

1178
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: gonna tip the odds for you know, his comfort level

1179
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: to be good. But then you know, for me to

1180
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: be in the right spot as well. And so again,

1181
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: just sometimes you've gotta be thinking about those is planning

1182
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: B and C? Is it still doable or am, I'm

1183
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: just gonna throw it all out when the plan A

1184
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And so finding those spots where you've got

1185
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: a couple different options to make it happen. Even if

1186
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: you're you know, banging off the ground, if you're just

1187
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: getting in, you know, whatever, you gotta do. Position yourself.

1188
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: Like you said, that's what's some fun about it. It's

1189
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: just a little chess match. It just making that move.

1190
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: He thinks he's good, but he has no doubt the

1191
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: idea that you just shifted seventy five yards over around

1192
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: that side of the pinch point and now you got him,

1193
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: you know. So that's a whole heck of a lot

1194
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: of fun, it is. And you know, I think one

1195
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: thing that happens a lot with Rutt Hunts is you know,

1196
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: we preached this all day, said and which is you

1197
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: know you should be doing that if you have the

1198
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: right set up. Absolutely, But there's also this reality where

1199
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: you go, I'm going into that river crossing tomorrow and

1200
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm going into this pinch point and I'm gonna sit

1201
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: all day. I'm bringing my coffee and bringing my sandwiches,

1202
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: um and I'm gonna find the end of the internet.

1203
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: By the end of the day. I'm gonna do everything

1204
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: I can to stay there, and then at eleven o'clock

1205
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: the wind switches and you go, well, he could still

1206
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: come from this way or that way. Like, man, you

1207
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: gotta know when to pull the plug. And it, like

1208
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: you said, if you have that backup option, pulling the

1209
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: plug is is easier. If you don't have that and

1210
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: you talk yourself into sitting there, then you might get

1211
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: in trouble, you know, And it's it's an in the

1212
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: moment thing. And I think, I think what you really

1213
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: learned when you hunt a lot of different places and

1214
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: you go to a lot of public land where there's

1215
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: like just there's just stuff out of your control, you know,

1216
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: like people coming in and what you just you get

1217
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: kind of used to that that mentality like Okay, this

1218
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: one went south, what's next. It's not you know, it's

1219
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: not going to take you out of the game. You're

1220
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, well, you know a lot of times

1221
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: when I go hunt and ship goes wrong and I

1222
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: gotta do something else. And if you expect that and

1223
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: you have that plan B built in place, you know,

1224
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: like there's just times where you sometimes you gotta get

1225
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: out of that tree and go build a natural ground

1226
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: line like you know, or just just whatever to stay

1227
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: out there. But to make those decisions and commit to

1228
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: them versus talking yourself into righting out a bad program.

1229
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: It's important, and it's it's tough. It's tougher than people think. Yeah. Yeah,

1230
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: some many getting times guys were like, well, heck, I'm

1231
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm here. I might as well just sit here and

1232
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: right it out, knowing the winds were holding up into

1233
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: the completely wrong spot. But it just comes down to

1234
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: laziness and and you know, I don't want to move,

1235
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: but I don't want to pull my set down or

1236
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to the truck or whatever.

1237
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: You know, they come up with a million different excused

1238
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: to just to keep doing what they're doing even though

1239
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: they know it's wrong. Um and and that's that's so

1240
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: much what we've got to say. You know what, this

1241
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: is wrong, it's no good. It's not gonna happen here.

1242
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: And if it does happen here, I'm busted. And and

1243
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: you know you gotta just again, you gotta figure out

1244
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: how to roll with the punches. No one to hold them,

1245
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: no one to fold them. And uh so, uh that's

1246
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: that's huge, you know, having that just at mindset where

1247
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: you're willing to do something different. I think that's a

1248
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: lot of it. A lot of guys go, oh this

1249
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: just sucks. Man, this this is no good. I'm out. Um.

1250
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: But you know, no one say hey, why is this

1251
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: not good? And how can I make it different? How

1252
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: can I make it better? What do I need to

1253
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: do to improve my odds for success? And being willing

1254
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: to do that? You know, there's a lot of guys

1255
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: and you leave a lot of guys behind just by that,

1256
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, having that mentality. Uh, we got a lot

1257
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: of them again, they're just they're just lazy. They want

1258
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: the easy hunt, they want the easy set, they want

1259
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: the easy action. When it doesn't happen, they're gone. Um.

1260
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: But man, if we can realize how there's a better way,

1261
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: there's another way. Uh, it's just gonna be for odds

1262
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: up for sure. Yeah. I I really think, I really

1263
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: think that the message of finding a way to stay

1264
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: in the woods longer and not not you. So we

1265
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: do this a lot where we make excuses to go

1266
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: out because we kind of like the wind switch. While

1267
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's the smart thing to not hunt or

1268
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: it's seventy degrees on November six, and it's to you know,

1269
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: it's the smart thing to not hunt. And I was like,

1270
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: just go go something. Maybe don't go to your best spot,

1271
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: but go. And I know you've seen this and I'll

1272
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: never forget. I mean, I've told this story a million times.

1273
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: The biggest buck I ever killed in my life was

1274
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: on public land in Nebraska. And that morning, the amount

1275
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: of trucks that came into that property we were hunting

1276
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: was ridiculous. It's a there's about as actually like hunting

1277
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: cover in there, and we had like eight vehicles come in,

1278
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: and there were other guys camp they're already and so

1279
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, the the hunter per square mile. There was nuts, right,

1280
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: guys rattling whatever. But I went out and that morning

1281
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: climbed up the ridge, went to the back of the property,

1282
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: killed the biggest buck in my life, saw three other

1283
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: good ones. One of the guys we walked in from Michigan,

1284
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: who just happened to be walking in close to us,

1285
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: killed a great buck, like a seventeen inch wide eight pointer,

1286
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: and then my buddy killed an eight pointer on the

1287
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: same ridge. And what was interesting was I shot my

1288
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: buck early, you know, I mean I had you know,

1289
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: it happened pretty quickly, and I let him. I thought

1290
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: I smoked him, but I let him layout a little while.

1291
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: And so then when I found him, you know, it

1292
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: was it was probably like I guess ten, maybe eleven

1293
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning when I walked back to camp

1294
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: to go get my dear cart and go back and

1295
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: get this buck. And partially because I didn't want to

1296
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: screw up my buddy because he was down the ridge.

1297
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: But when we got back to camp, those trucks were gone.

1298
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: There was one guy left, and so we watched, you know,

1299
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: eight trucks come in there in the dark. It was

1300
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: a freaking parade and all these headlamps going out and on.

1301
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: This was like November seven. By the time I get

1302
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: back at mid morning, eleven o'clock, they're gone, and those

1303
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: bucks are still out there chasing those doughs, you know,

1304
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: and so and it's it's really I think, you know,

1305
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 1: when I talked to guys like you, and I talked

1306
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: to any May and Eddie Claypool and these people who

1307
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: are just freaking killers out there, that that ability to

1308
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: just kind of go, okay, well, this is what I

1309
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: do now that this didn't work is huge. The ability

1310
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: to adapt and just not not only like not make

1311
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: the excuses, just not get down, just go Okay, the

1312
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: circumstances have changed, and now I'm gonna do this. It's

1313
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: it really kind of separates the deer watchers from the

1314
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: deer killers a lot of times. Yeah. Absolutely. And you

1315
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: know you've talked in recent podcasts and over the years

1316
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: about water access and moving water recently, and um, I

1317
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: love that because that's a lot of my strategy is.

1318
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: You know, you you've got some of these guys, like

1319
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: you said, you got headlamps going everywhere, you got trucks

1320
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: at the parking lot. But so many times I'll slip

1321
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: in via the use of a kayak, water access whatever,

1322
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: and they're banging around up there doing their deal, and

1323
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm going under the radar, slipping in by that kayak

1324
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: down within the banks. And so many times I've just

1325
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: walked in or cruised in on the back side of

1326
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: that stuff and let those guys all that activity just

1327
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: pushing right down to me. And uh, like I said,

1328
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: those dear no when they're coming and going, Man, they

1329
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: they pattern us. They know, Hey, nine ten o'clock they're gone,

1330
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, heading back for chicken biscuit, and uh, the

1331
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: woods are wide open again and they just pick up activity,

1332
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: resume doing their deal. And so I love that water

1333
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: access against slipping on the back side where I know

1334
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys doing their things slipping. Um,

1335
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: they can go backside that covers you often look and

1336
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: you know the deal. The back side of um, the

1337
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: edge of that water access so many times can be

1338
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: just the ideal bedding cover, ideal hang out, escape out, sanctuary.

1339
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: And so finding myself in the position to myself and

1340
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: those um that first part of the rud or whatever,

1341
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: when all those guys coming in off the highway doing

1342
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: their thing and just sit in that spot. Man, it's

1343
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: it's fun when the sun comes up. You know, dude,

1344
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm in the right spot. I don't care how many

1345
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: guys coming up off that road. I'm in the right

1346
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: spot for that, you know, exit strategy for those deer

1347
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: and uh, that can be a lot of fun in

1348
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: and of itself. So yeah, man, don't let the extra traffic.

1349
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody wants to see that. We're all disappointed

1350
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: when you pull up and there's somebody already there or

1351
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 1: there's uh, five guys that come after you or whatever.

1352
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: But man, even with that, like we said, you've got

1353
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: to learn to roll to plan B, C, A, D whatever. Uh.

1354
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: And even on the front side, just having that idea,

1355
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: that strategy, Hey, this is the public peace. This is

1356
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: probably gonna be heavily hit. What's the backside looked like?

1357
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: How can I come in by water? How can I

1358
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: hunt the other side of the river that that that

1359
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: they're not coming to you know, they're not wearing their

1360
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: waiters in or or whatever. And I cruise in on

1361
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: those spots and and uh, it opened up a whole

1362
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: new world. Yeah. And you know that the water access

1363
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: that we've you've covered that so much, but it is

1364
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: so important. And what it is is we really underestimate

1365
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: the impact we make make going into spots a lot

1366
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: of times. And you know, you could walk into the

1367
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: best spot out there, and if you walk in wrong,

1368
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a very good hunt. It's just

1369
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: that's just how it works. If they know you went

1370
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: in there, it's no bueno. And we just do that

1371
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: to ourselves so often. And so not only can you

1372
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: when you're talking water access or some of these sneaky

1373
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: ways to get in. Not only can you get to

1374
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: these parts of the properties that maybe aren't getting hunted

1375
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: as hard, you're just getting in a way where they

1376
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: don't know you're there, and you're getting in close to them.

1377
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's one of the things. You know, everybody's

1378
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: hunting mornings now this time of year. But you know,

1379
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: I've talked about this so much and people will say, well,

1380
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, you can't hunt mornings in September and early October,

1381
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy talk. It's all about your access, Like

1382
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: it's all about how you can get in and how

1383
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: you plant, where do you park, and how do you

1384
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: like circle around? And so much of that is like

1385
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the work of hunting, like so much of just making

1386
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: sure that you're not making a dumb mistake and walking

1387
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: an extra half a mile. That's like the real work

1388
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: of hunting pressure deer a lot of times. And you know,

1389
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: there are a situations where you can't do it, if

1390
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: you've got little properties or something like that, that you

1391
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: just can't do it. But that's part of the reason

1392
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: why we like big chunks of public land sometimes like yeah,

1393
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: you can you can go park in the w M

1394
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: A parking area and you can walk the same trail

1395
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: in and everybody takes. Or you can park by the

1396
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: bridge there on the highway, drop down there and get

1397
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: into the river and come in the way. The deer

1398
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: just don't expect you, and I just think we don't,

1399
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: you know. I always get this this kind of revelation

1400
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: every couple of years when I'm hunting up in northern

1401
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: Wisconsin where the predator population is so freaking high, that

1402
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: we have these dos and these deer concentrations right by

1403
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: the cabins and right by the houses and right by

1404
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: the highways, and and I'm always like, it's so weird

1405
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: that I get back into this swamp and it looks

1406
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: awesome and it's like a dead sea for deer sign

1407
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: But I'm hunting this stupid tree row right by this

1408
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: county road, and here's a whole bunch of deer, and

1409
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: I just maybe there's a different reason, But in my head,

1410
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, the bears and the coyotes and

1411
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: the wolves and the bobcats they live in that swamp,

1412
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: and these deer, you know, these these does that get

1413
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: smart and they're pulling off a couple of fawns or

1414
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: a fawn every year they're beding right by the cabin,

1415
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: and they're like these two legged predators. I'm not as

1416
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: worried about them because I got a pattern them Versus

1417
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: those four leggers that are out here day and night,

1418
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: seven all year round. I think, I think that stuff matters, man. Yeah, absolutely,

1419
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: That's why we think so many opportunities you can legally

1420
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: pull it off. Funding closer to the house, closer to roads.

1421
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: And I think about all the deer we drive right

1422
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: by that are sitting there on that you know, seventy

1423
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: five yards off the road, bedded there on a little

1424
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: little hump off the side of the road, a little

1425
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: ridge up there, and we drive by. And I don't

1426
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: want to give away too many secrets that you and

1427
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: I use, but I mean, that's that's it. I mean,

1428
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I think about so many of those things,

1429
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, just overlook stuff. Um. So many of the

1430
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: little public pieces that I hunt are not very big

1431
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: at all, you know, they're small pieces of ground that

1432
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: they're stuff that people drive by every day and they

1433
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: they don't think anything of it. And I'm thinking, man,

1434
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: there's deer hanging out and that because there's no pressure there. Yes,

1435
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: it's right there behind the business. Yes, it's right there

1436
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: next to the house or whatever, next to the road.

1437
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: But like you said, those deer have learned there nothing

1438
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: happening here. There's nothing going on here, there's no pressure here.

1439
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to go. And again they're just they're staying

1440
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: away from that uh pressure, any predators, whatever it is.

1441
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, some of those are the best spots for sure. Yeah.

1442
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: And and they can they can really work in your

1443
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: favor in the rut too. And this is something it's

1444
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: this sort of a message we don't get out much

1445
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: because we we talk about the rut solving all of

1446
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: our problems, right, like all the deer are gonna be

1447
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: running like crazy, and they're gonna be going through these

1448
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: pinch points and this fence crossing and whatever. But when

1449
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: you go out, even when you hunt a good place,

1450
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 1: if there's no guarantee of that like there, you know

1451
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: you can have. This is I think the hardest thing

1452
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: about the rut a lot of times is our expectations

1453
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: are so high and then you get out there and

1454
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: you realize, like I could go sit all day and

1455
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: not see a deer or see one deer, and then

1456
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: it's like, how do you stay in the game there?

1457
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: And you think about, you know, like what you're talking

1458
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: about here with these concentrations of deer wherever they're going

1459
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: to be, if they're right next to the county road

1460
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, like, you have to find that now, thank

1461
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: you have. You have to be open to looking for that,

1462
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: just like you said with your staging area strategy earlier.

1463
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: If you if you go try that thing, you believe

1464
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: in your heart and soul where the deer coming. They

1465
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: don't come, Okay, where are they? You know? And this

1466
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: this comes up a lot, but you see this, especially

1467
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: this time of year where dear land down sign man,

1468
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: like they're they're letting you know. And if you go

1469
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm gonna hike all the way back

1470
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: to the back of this this property and I'm gonna

1471
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: be snorting lines of freaking mounta Knops off the back

1472
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 1: of my pack to make it back there. Whatever. And

1473
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: then you get back there and it's just not happening.

1474
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: But you walk through an area of two yards from

1475
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: the parking lot that had a bunch of sign in it.

1476
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: You missed it. And everybody does this, like we we

1477
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: fall in love with our ideas and we fall in

1478
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: love with our strategies, and then you get out into nature,

1479
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: and nature says, actually it's happening right here, bro, walk

1480
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: by it, don't walk by it. I don't care. But

1481
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: what you what you actually want to find, is all

1482
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: around you right now. And you're you're married to this

1483
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: idea that you gotta go here or do this or

1484
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: sit this spot. And it's just not it's not so

1485
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: cut and dry. Yeah, yeah, you've got to that. Then

1486
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: you've got so much of the the idea. Unfortunately, so

1487
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: many of the YouTube channels and and public strategies and

1488
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we're seeing the social media and YouTube,

1489
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: you see so many guys that are pushing the whole

1490
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: deal of of I mean, you gotta walk six miles

1491
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: in here, and then the next guy is like, oh dude, no,

1492
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 1: I walked seven miles. And it's this contest of who's

1493
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: the baddest dude in the woods. Public hunting, and you

1494
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: can't hunt under two miles from the truck and be

1495
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: a man, you know what I'm saying. That's what the

1496
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: That's what the chicks do, right, the girls that are

1497
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: just getting started, that's what they do anybody that's been

1498
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: hunting along. Any man's gonna walk at least through or

1499
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: four maybe five miles, and and you know, I've got

1500
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: nothing to prove anymore. Man, I'm not into that. If

1501
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: I can find deer within a hundred yards of the road,

1502
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: and I can legally hunt, you know, a couple hundred

1503
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: yards from the road, whatever, I'm dude, I'm right next

1504
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: the road. I mean, go with the sign, don't leave

1505
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: dear to go find dear. You know, that's the biggest thing.

1506
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: And we do that so many times, just to prove

1507
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: something that we're we're tougher. We you know, we we

1508
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: walked into the woods and you know, beat the mosquitoes

1509
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: and you whatever. I think we're in a dangerous spot

1510
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: right now because everybody wants to be the baddest deer

1511
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: hunter in the woods. You know what I'm saying that

1512
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: they you see it all the time, you know, and

1513
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: it's it's if you're not hunting public plan or if

1514
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: you're not hunting out of saddle. Uh, if you're not

1515
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, hunting fifty feet in the tree. You know whatever,

1516
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: it just keeps going up and up, and what do

1517
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: you gotta do to be the bad dude you know

1518
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: in the woods or whatever. It's like, Man, make it,

1519
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, just kill kill deer, you know, I mean,

1520
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: don't you don't have to get all this stuff on

1521
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: to impress everybody else. Just do what it takes to

1522
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: kill deer, and and don't worry about all the other stuff. Yeah,

1523
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: and go have some freaking fun and that that uh,

1524
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: all right. We can't help ourselves. I was talking to

1525
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine this morning who he killed a

1526
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: freaking stud buck in Minnesota last year. It was I

1527
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: don't remember what it scored. It was it was like

1528
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: upper one forties, I think, but it was heavy and

1529
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: it was it was a freaking tote of it. It

1530
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: was a great luck. And he said he talked to

1531
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: a guy the other day who saw a picture of it,

1532
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: and the guy was like, yeah, you know, this area

1533
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: of the state would be good if you guys would

1534
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: just stop shooting all those little three year olds. And

1535
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: this deer was a like, so nobody's passing up this dear,

1536
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: Like unless your name, if your last name is the

1537
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: Constier Dury, you might pass Otherwise nobody else's like, everybody

1538
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: kills this buck. And he was just like I'm just

1539
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: so sick of that, that kind of idea that like,

1540
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: you know, like you're so special if you target huge

1541
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: books or like maybe not even that just to like

1542
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: talk down on other people's dear. It's just it's so bizarre,

1543
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: and we just can't help ourselves, like we're so locked

1544
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: into the trophy thing that we just forget like, man,

1545
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be fun. Like when you go

1546
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: climb into that tree, you're supposed to be enjoying it.

1547
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's one of the things that

1548
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: I really like talking to the hunting public guys, Like

1549
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: I think that you know, everybody's like, oh, it's act

1550
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: showed us how to stalk deer on the ground, or

1551
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: they showed us that deer can be killed in public land,

1552
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: like they did that. But what they did was they

1553
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: showed people that you can have a hell of a

1554
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: lot of fun doing this stuff. And I think that

1555
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: was like sort of the great intangible that made them

1556
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: so popular is people looked at that and they go,

1557
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: these guys are having fun, Like they're not taking themselves

1558
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: super seriously and you know, preaching this bullshit of you know,

1559
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: the trophy management stuff. They're just like we're just out

1560
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: here enjoying it our way and having a blast, and

1561
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: that's refreshing. And I think I think that's what we

1562
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: have to be really careful with when we talk about

1563
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: rut hunting. Like I kind of mentioned earlier, is people

1564
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: are so often like, this is my chance to go

1565
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: kill a giant, Like yeah, you know of bow hunters

1566
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: might do that, or you know by this time this season,

1567
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: maybe ten or twelve percent of bow hunters will fill

1568
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: their tags in November and be done. The rest of

1569
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: you won't. Like, okay, so do you do you wanna

1570
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: like and you want to hold out, go ahead, but

1571
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: do you want to go have a lot of fun?

1572
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: Like if that might not be it for you, Like

1573
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 1: waiting for that one seventy just because it's the rut

1574
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 1: might not work, you know, Like you go out and

1575
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: start working these deer concentrations like we're talking about instead

1576
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: of saying like it's November seven, I'm only targeting big bucks,

1577
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: like you can, you can be hunting for that, but

1578
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: if you're not hunting for deer concentrations where they are

1579
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: right now, you're probably missing the boat. Yeah absolutely, yeah,

1580
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: so true. And uh, like you said, man, just positioning

1581
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: yourself where it can happen, getting your odds up, um,

1582
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: but just not missing out on the fun. My gosh, man,

1583
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: I again you like you said that the percentage of

1584
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: the guys that are going to kill that stud giant

1585
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: what you dream about? The buck we all dream about, Um,

1586
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: those are those are pretty few and far between, depending

1587
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 1: on where you are in the in the country. Um.

1588
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: For me, it's more like, man, you know what, it's

1589
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: the first week in November. Anything can happen with every

1590
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,680
Speaker 1: time I sit in that stand, I'm not gonna miss out.

1591
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: Just the excitement of knowing that anything can happen every

1592
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: time I put my button that stand. That to me

1593
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: is where it's at. Just the fun of that, just

1594
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: knowing that, Man, I'm not missing a sunrise because again

1595
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: it's it's the first week, second week in November into

1596
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: October whatever, and dude, anything can happen. I mean, it's

1597
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: just at this time of year. Um, and so I

1598
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: want to ride it out and be there as much

1599
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: as I can. And you know, Hunt smart, you know,

1600
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: obviously don't just go blowing up your spots just because

1601
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: you feel like you need to be there every day.

1602
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: But Hunt Smart strategically, but just be there. It's time

1603
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: to be there, man, and get in the woods and

1604
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: again catch those bucks as they first start to venture

1605
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: out from those beds and get wandering a little further

1606
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: and a little further, and he's realizing. Your trail cameras

1607
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 1: will show you. You know, if you run trail cameras,

1608
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna see, Hey, he's you know, he's gone from uh,

1609
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: coming out into the field or whatever at twelve o'clock

1610
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: at night. Now he's you know, ten o'clock and now

1611
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: it's creeping, you know, and you'll say that little trend,

1612
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: that transition. He starts creeping closer and closer, and it's

1613
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: happened at this time of year. Next thing, you know,

1614
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: he's right there right before dark and and and those

1615
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: are times when I say, you know what, I've got

1616
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: to be there because he's creeping closer and closer a

1617
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: daylight and then boom, next thing, you know, here he

1618
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: comes down the trail. So it's you gotta be there

1619
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 1: this time of year. Absolutely. That's you bring up a

1620
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: good point there about trail cameras, where you know the

1621
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: midnight picture, Yeah, that's cool, whatever, he's there, but that

1622
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: picture right after dark on that food plot or that

1623
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 1: field edge. That's telling you something. I keep that that's

1624
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: telling you you're not dealing with a nocturnal deer. You're

1625
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: telling you're dealing with a deer you can kill in

1626
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: a staging area. Uh. The other thing you said there

1627
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: about you know, not missing a sunrise. I think. I

1628
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: think when you get to a certain age and you

1629
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 1: get a lot of experience in this, you realize, you know,

1630
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: like the maybe the first two weeks in November are

1631
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 1: the best example out in the outdoors. Like when you

1632
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: when you've done this a lot, you want to put

1633
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: yourself in the woods, like because how many Novembers are

1634
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: you gonna get? It's it's like elk hunting, Like you

1635
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: go elk hunting and you have one good elk hunt,

1636
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: It's like how many? You know, if you live where

1637
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the listeners here do you're not getting

1638
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: that many weeks in the mountains dead or you know

1639
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: the first four or five days of Turkey season, like

1640
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: you want to miss that one of those? More way man,

1641
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is the fun of deer hunting.

1642
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: We we we've we've painted this picture of like and

1643
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: we default to this all the time. I do it

1644
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: all the time where it's the killing the big bucks

1645
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,759
Speaker 1: is kind of what we de fault to talking about.

1646
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: But one of the things that makes it so damn

1647
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: enjoyable is believing you've got a real shot of seeing deer.

1648
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: Like when you go like you talked about that bottlenecks stand,

1649
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: that's just money. When you when the conditions set up

1650
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: and you've got some history with a spot, or you

1651
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: walk in and the freaking sign is legit and you

1652
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: you hang that standard, you saddle up, and you just

1653
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: believe it even when you don't see anything, Like if

1654
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: you flame out for whatever reason, that's still more fun

1655
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: than a lot of hunts because you're sitting there going

1656
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: on any second. It's you know, that's one of the

1657
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: reasons that those early season uh you know, velvet hunts

1658
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: or those early season western kind of river type hunts

1659
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: are so fun. You know, you sit up there in

1660
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: glad said you go, Jesus, I saw seventeen deer cross

1661
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: here yesterday, and I'm gonna go hang to stand here today.

1662
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: Like even if for whatever reason, the pack of coyotes

1663
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: a mountline comes in other hunters and it gets blown up.

1664
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: The time that you're sitting there, You're like, this is there.

1665
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: I can't think of hardly a better way to use

1666
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: my time than plant my butt in a tree. Then yeah, yeah,

1667
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,879
Speaker 1: absolutely that happened back in early season, you know, in Kentucky.

1668
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: I remember sitting there. Know when I'm in the right spot,

1669
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. Just just that nausea, just that almost

1670
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: the butterflies. My hands starts sweating at last thirty forty

1671
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: five minutes a daylight. I'm sitting there in my hands

1672
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: or sweat. I ain't even seen it here yet, but

1673
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: just knowing, hey, it's about to happen, it's about to

1674
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: go down. And again I get the butterflies, get the jitters,

1675
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: knowledge of sweaty hands, and on the Lord, have mercy.

1676
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can handle this when it

1677
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 1: does happen, you know, And um and gods, that just again,

1678
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: that experience, that excitement. Um, that's why we need to

1679
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: do it. Man, you're gonna have if you can learn

1680
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: to love that, that's uh, you're gonna get more of

1681
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: that than you are. That encounter with the with the giant,

1682
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: that's a few and far between. Like we said, but man,

1683
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: if you can learn to love the experience, love this

1684
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: the journey along the way to get into that shot opportunity, man,

1685
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: it's that's where you're gonna make your money. Man, that's

1686
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 1: a that's the good stuff. That's uh, that's just enjoying

1687
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: it and in my mind being there for the right reason.

1688
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: Just enjoying the journey along the way and not missing

1689
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: out on all that because you're so focused on I've

1690
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: got to find this one book that I saw one

1691
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: time on a trail camera at midnight back in August.

1692
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean, you know so

1693
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: many people will just blow their whole season for something

1694
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: that a fleeting glance of a deer they've never seen

1695
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: in daylight. And so man, just enjoy the ride, enjoy

1696
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: the journey. There's nothing like it. Yeah, I need I

1697
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: want to just I want to. I want to tie

1698
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: a bow on this with a to go back to

1699
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: that what you said about, um, you know, not missing

1700
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: the sunrise. Like that's one thing that I'm trying to

1701
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: like really instilling my daughter's like you, I do this

1702
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: in the summer with our small off fishing. You know,

1703
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: they can get up, can get up and we can

1704
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: we can hit the lake at sunrise. There's no boats out,

1705
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: there's no jet skiers, there's no other kids to play with,

1706
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: yet everybody's still sleeping. You just get that moment of,

1707
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, two hours of awesome top water fishing and

1708
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: it doesn't take away anything else from your day. Really,

1709
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you might be a little tired, but it's

1710
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: like you never regret it. Even when you go out

1711
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 1: and the fishing is not that good, you've got a

1712
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: cold front come in, or something happens, you still never

1713
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: regret it. Just like getting up for turkey. It's just

1714
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: like getting out there. You know, even if it's November

1715
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: twenty and you're like, oh man, it's gonna be a

1716
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: lockdown and you know whatever is not happening, I'm like, man,

1717
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe it's gonna suck. But if you

1718
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: go into it and still think, oh it's November and

1719
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: something could happen, and like, there's a lot worse ways

1720
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: to spend your time, I can go get into the woods,

1721
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: like I think. I think that one of the biggest

1722
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: keys to becoming like really content, you know, happy hunter

1723
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: who kills a lot, is just accepting the fact that

1724
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 1: you like being out there more than anything else, and

1725
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: just making that whenever if the family is squared away

1726
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: and everything is squared away, and you can be out there,

1727
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: be out there, that's right. Absolutely, Yeah, you gotta put

1728
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: your time in. I remember you reading articles, you know,

1729
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff when I was a kid.

1730
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, I can see articles of of you just

1731
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: gotta put your time and you gotta put your time

1732
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: in hunt as much as you can. And um and

1733
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, you gotta take care of

1734
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: your responsibilities and your family and and make sure you're

1735
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: not neglecting time you need to be having with your

1736
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: wife and kids. But um my, gosh, man, you gotta

1737
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 1: put that time in. I mean, I know so many

1738
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: days where I've slept in it just got lazy, you know,

1739
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: up and beating it up all through archery season, and um,

1740
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: you know again November gets here, I'm like, gosh, dang,

1741
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: I don't you know you started making excuses for why

1742
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna not hunt this stand or whatever. And I'm like, dude,

1743
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: you you can sleep. You can sleep in December or

1744
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: gyne you know what. You can sleeping in a duck

1745
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: season whatever. After duck season. Um, but you you've got

1746
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: to get there, man, And like you said, you can

1747
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: take that midday nap or whatever, but man, I just

1748
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: hate to make the morning. Um just being lazy during

1749
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: the rut, you know, at these first few weeks November, gosh,

1750
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: you just as much as I can be. I'm gonna

1751
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: try to be out there and you know, get hunt smart,

1752
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: but I'm just not missing out on those opportunities when

1753
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: they come by. So yeah, I really realized how how

1754
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: important that was when I quit drinking and I woke

1755
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: up every day like Okay, you know, I'm still tired

1756
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: and stuff like, but just not feeling like shit and

1757
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: just it's just how it changed my my perspective of

1758
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: of every hunt and every string of hunts where it's

1759
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're on a trip with your buddies and

1760
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: it's seven days or it's the sixth day of your

1761
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: your rut caation. Just it made me appreciate being out

1762
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: there a hell of a lot more because I wasn't

1763
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: fighting against this anything that I was dragging myself down with.

1764
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: Managed it changed everything. It's so worth being out there.

1765
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: Everybody's listening to this, do not take any time off

1766
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: during the rut even if you hunt the same public

1767
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: land that I do, or Brodie does go out there

1768
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: with us. Uh Brodie As always, man, is so much

1769
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: fun to talk to you. Thanks for coming on. Good luck,

1770
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 1: good luck with you rattling in the next week, and

1771
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: good luck with all of your red hunts. This yere buddy,

1772
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: Hey man, same to you. I look forward to seeing

1773
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: some pictures roll through, shoot me some messages, let me

1774
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: know what's happened in the East next few weeks. Awesome,

1775
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, Like man, that's it for this week, folks,

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01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: be sure to tune in next week for more white

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01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: tailed goodness. This has been Wire to Hunt, and I'm

1778
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: your guest host, Tony Peterson. As always, thank you so

1779
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: much for listening. And if you're looking for more white

1780
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: tail content, and we know you are this time of year,

1781
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Speaker 1: be sure to check out the meat eater dot com

1782
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: slash wired to see a pile of new articles each

1783
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