WEBVTT - And, This Is Michael Savage 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:16.159 This is Gavin Newsom and this is Michael Savage. The 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.320 hell are you doing here? Why what are we doing here? 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.720 The two of us, of all people. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:25.320 Well, we're supposedly political polar opposites, which we probably are. However, 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.120 as I say on my TV show, you don't have 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.320 to like my politics to like me. And a lot 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.720 of people seem to like me but hate my politics. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.680 Some actually like me on my politics, which is the ideal. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.000 I love it. So we've known each other, I mean 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.279 full disclosure. So folks may not know this. We've known 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.720 each other over the course, on and off for a 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.680 couple of decades, now right, I mean back, I remember you. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.199 I was joking with Trump the other day in the 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.960 Oval office. I said, you know, before you know, you'd 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.000 calling me newscom is not novels discuss Savage had a 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:55.440 version of that early. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.640 On when I was mayor any twosome news Thank you 0:00:57.760 --> 0:00:59.320 very much. Should I tell that story? 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:00.880 No, you shouldn't all that stories. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.440 It's got your great father involved in it. He did 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:05.319 he get involved in it? 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:06.120 No? I met. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.160 I was in a North Beach restaurant, which you remember 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.400 the heyday of the North Beach restaurant. Come on your 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.920 dad may rest in peace. Judge Newsom was there. I 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.480 was introduced to him and I said, you were the 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.000 Board of Supervisors chairman, and you had just introduced the 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.920 gay marriage at resolution. And I said, Judge, your son 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.120 just made the biggest career era of his life. He's finished. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:26.560 And he said, you know, I agree with you. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.480 Michael. Well, guess what we were both wrong. He did 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.280 agree with you. By the way, he was always up. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.120 He was come on old Irish Catholic west side of 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.319 San Francisco. And by the way, I remember you remember 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.520 this back in the day. That's why you probably shook 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.720 my hand. Back then, I ran as the conservative right, and. 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.400 I don't remember. Honestly, I don't know what you ran as. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.640 I know that the city was. Look, I came here 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.120 in seventy four. I'm an immigrant to San Francisco. My 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.800 father was an immigrant to America. I'm a first generation American. 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.280 So I have one foot in the old world one 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.360 foot in the new. I still see a little bit 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.600 of the immigrant and the native of stuff, but I'm 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.160 new to the city. It was a great, wide open city. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.120 You could do whatever the hell you wanted. And then 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.360 what happened was it went off the rails because ultra 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.079 tolerance led to or, as I put it, Governor Newsom, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.640 when anything goes, everything goes. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.119 Got it. It's a good line. It's a good line. 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.720 My line. I told my kids. I said, how you 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.240 do anything is how you do everything. It's true. So 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:22.919 you got to focus on the detail. How you make 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.000 your bed, and it's what how you do everything? You 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.360 actually make them make their bed, make them make their beds. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.040 I make my bed too, by the way, But I 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:32.680 believe that. By the way, sometimes my wife doesn't even 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.920 believe it because they are a few days off. But 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.680 let's talk about you know, you've never taken any time 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.800 away from the bayar. I mean, for all, you've been 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.440 here since the seventies. Seventy four and you've seventy four. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:47.720 You went to Berkeley PhD in seventy. 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.520 I heard it in two and a two years and 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.560 seven months, which is a world record. No one knows 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.080 about it. I came here with two master's degrees. I 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.120 was blocked from a PhD in one of the master's 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.239 degrees because the field was too advanced. And I came 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.959 here and got worked for an independent PhD which was 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.880 unheard of. Only seven of them issued a year. At 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.240 the time, it was the toughest thing I ever did 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.680 in my life. I was so proud to get a 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.800 PhD from Berkeley because everyone said to me, that's your 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.239 union card. You get that PhD, you're going to be 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:20.160 hired as a professor. Unfortunately, hello, it kicked in. White 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.480 males need not apply. I was rejected from every position 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.880 I applied for, and I was told point blank that 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.960 we can't hire you because we have to fill quota, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:29.760 as they told it to me. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.640 So they were very excited. Mean, that's because I remember 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.080 you wrote a poem in nineteen seventy seven, right about 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.119 white male. You saw that you wrote a poem which 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.120 you altered the white male, the Death of the White 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.880 in the seventh How do you know that you were 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:44.280 talking about that. Someone gave you a bangground on me. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.960 I've been tracking you. We've been casing savage I did. 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:50.640 I wrote a hot book called the Death of the 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.080 White Male, which no one knows about. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:57.680 It's a pamphlet. Trotzky or Lenin would understand that. By 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.760 the way, speaking of Trotsky and Lenin, you were hanging 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.960 out with Alan Ginsburg Lawrence fer linged, yes, quite literal. Maybe, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.200 I mean Lawrence Port Lauriate, San Francisco. Oh yeah, many 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.560 moons later you had some you know, interesting moments back 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.760 there in North Be. Back to North Bes. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.800 I mean, ass was a friend of the family, Lawrence 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:19.320 and Janet and I. He meant he flew out to 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.520 with Alan Ginsburg. Lawrence and Alan flew they were on 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.039 the way to Adelaide Arts Festival in Australia, and we 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.760 had known them from New York. We know Alan from 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.640 New York. And I met Lawrence here and I said, 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.120 why don't you stop at our house in Awhi. I 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.280 was renting a house going to grad school there, and 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.600 they both stopped in. They spent a few days with us, 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.640 and that was that. But Lawrence and I stayed on 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.800 and on in the years, politically opposites again. Yeah, but 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.080 you don't have to hate someone who you don't agree with. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.000 That's that's why I'm here, That's why you invited me here. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.600 I love that. And but it's I mean, it is 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.040 a remarkable journey for you. I mean, if I just 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.440 wrote out your resume, those early years, not only were 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.640 you in San Francisco and in the Bay Area getting 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.680 a pea HD. But it was the PhD in what 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:06.160 it was around nutrition eth no medicine. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:11.440 Nutritionalth no medicine, which was an interdisciplinary PhD with epidemiology, 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:17.200 human nutrition, and anthropology in a combined hole, which was 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:21.120 an interdisciplinary PhD, which in order to get into that 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.320 program you had to go through the heaviest screening program 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.240 because a lot of people use bullshit to get into 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.359 discipline and do nothing. I had to go through the 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.760 toughest people at that university and explain why I wanted 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.880 to combine those fields in a new field. And it 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.880 was a tough interview. So I got to the PhD 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.120 blocked from it. I'd written seven books at the time, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.920 but it still couldn't get a teaching job. So I 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:47.279 got very angry. Gavin, I'm an immigrant son. I want 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:48.760 to be a professor, it's all I want to be 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.000 and they're saying because of your race, you can't be hired. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.599 It's crazy, So you really, I mean, it was that indelibent? 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.800 Was that the big shift then for you in terms 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.440 of your politics? Did it really become you were like enough? 0:05:59.040 --> 0:05:59.680 It was it? 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.760 Well, Gavin, I was a social worker in New York 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.279 before I came here, teach your social worker. And I 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.400 was going into houses of people on welfare who were 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.839 living better than I was. I was living at the 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.560 time in a rental apartment. I had wooden furniture crates. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.559 We had a mattress on the floor and orange crates 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.520 en tables. So I go into the supervisor at the 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.400 welfare office and I say to her, blah blah blah. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.120 She says, well, start writing out checks. Mister Smith gets 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.559 six hundred dollars for an end table, eight hundred dollars 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.839 for two chairs, nine hundred dollars for a bit. I said, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.240 wait a minute, I don't have that. She said, just 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.920 keep writing the checks. And I said, something's wrong with 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:34.520 this system. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:38.280 And so you weren't raised necessarily with a strong ideological 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.760 Oh no, your parents weren't. That's your father, your mom. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.560 I mean, they weren't out there marching the streets for 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.240 a Democrat or Republican. It was none of that. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.839 Nobody knew a Republican in my family or in my circles. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.279 My father was an immigrant, and he would walk the 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.000 streets and he would point things out to me and 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:56.880 teach me what the world was about but he would say, 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.080 I said, Dad, are you a Democratic Republican? And he 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.600 would say, you know, Michael, he said, all I know 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.080 is things are better for me when Democrats are in office. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.800 I remember he came through the depression, right. He worked 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.800 in the WPA. He got a job as a kid 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.760 who had nothing, driving a car for a politician. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.320 I still don't know how he got it. Who did 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:13.560 he know? 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.280 He told me stories of driving some correct politician to 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.720 Saratoga Springs. I don't even know the rest of those stories. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.480 So he to him the government intervened in the Great 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.800 Depression with the WPA, and it saved. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.800 Him, right, so it shaved his perspective. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:32.440 But he didn't understand that. After JFK, who I voted for, 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.160 I loved JA. He was one of my heroes. I'll 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.360 never forget how he influenced me. When I saw that 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.920 picture of him and he said, don't ask what your 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.760 country can do for you, but what you can do 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.920 for your country. You know that that puts steel in 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:45.840 my spine. I wanted to go out of March and 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.000 do something for my country. I love that one good 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.600 line can influence a person for a long time. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.000 Yeah, there's notion of responsibility, not just opera. It's the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.360 one piece that I think our party continues we continue 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.560 to miss well. But we're going to get to that 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.280 in a moment. But I just want to talk about 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.400 those moments that shaped to you. I mean again, sitting 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.040 here talking about nutrition. You were working in a clinic 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.440 in San Francisco, Nutritionia. You're writing all these books you were, 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.760 I mean, dare I say, and here a bunch of 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.680 them right here, one of what, by the way, you 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.960 said seven, But you've done twenty nine nine. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:23.520 Books published, several unpublished. So well, you know, there's two 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.760 novels in there, San Francisco. People don't read novels, Abuse 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.320 of Power and A Time for War. They're set in 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.760 San Francisco, in North Beach, in the North Beach Restaurant 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.920 and around there at the time of Lorenzo was alive. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.600 Lorenzo Patroni, that's North Beach Restaurant. So he used three years. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.839 Ago, all the Italian and all the Democrats would meet 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.880 in that restaurant, remember, in the back. 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:45.520 Room and the closet of Republicans. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:48.160 See, they'd meet there, and one of them once said 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.080 to him, he said, Michael, you know what they said 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.520 to me. I said, what they said to me? Are 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.920 you a right winger? He said, no, I'm not a 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.400 right wing. I'm a fascist. That's what Lorenzo said. May 0:08:58.440 --> 0:08:59.160 you rest in peace. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.079 You rest in peace. By the way, I'm survived. He 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.199 survived as long as he did. He was usually three 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:08.319 or four bottles at lunch in and then went all night. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.400 Poor man he was, but he was. He was like 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.120 a bear, a bear. He was a bear, old world bear, 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.920 different generation, but but it so we were shaped so similarly. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.880 I mean, I was the kid in the corner with 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.600 my father, with George Moscone, the former mayor, Quentin Kopp, 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.040 the former State Center then become judge all that and 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.960 that shaped my political beginnings and sort of, you know, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:32.920 gave me a sense of what the whole political scene 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.120 was about in North Beach was really the sort of 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.200 it was the neighborhood city hall where real deals were done. 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.080 So, Gabrett, we want to talk about I'm sorry, the 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.400 personal stuff and the health stuff. I know that, but 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.000 if I don't ask some can I read the bullet points. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.920 You're bringing notes? I bring nothing. I got the questions. 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:50.920 Can you bring your question? Well, I want to let's 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.000 jump in. I'm gonna, but I want to start. Let's 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.280 start with this and we'll go back and forth. But 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.479 this whole from nutrition is really interesting because it's very contemporary. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.360 Now you've got r fkgu You've got now new Health 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.600 and Gearing Service Secretary obviously Trump embracing this notion of 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.400 Maha make America healthy again. By the way, I love that. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.320 I love that. Californiak at you. You're not a fat guy. No, 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.920 but it's not even about body weight. It's about just 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.800 health and wellness, all the stuff you've been preaching and practicing. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.640 You were the original you were, I will say, your 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.000 original bunch of things, and we'll get to language, borders, 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.160 and culture. Oh wow, and Trump and Trump is because 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.760 you were you know, Trump was a Democrat when you 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.400 were practicing the full metal polio aware. But this whole 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.319 MAHA movement, I mean, you've got to feel pretty good 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:34.839 about that, or do you feel it's a little off 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.440 based and not necessarily is it well established in the 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.200 sort of cornerstone of your your more academic thinking. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.600 Okay, So I was a big element of the alternative 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.240 health movement in California from the time I got here 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.600 herbal medicine, homeopathy, nutrition, wrote books on it. I knew 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.120 all the leaders. I knew Linis Polling, I knew Bob Cathcot, 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.280 I knew Richard Kunyan. These were the genius geniuses in 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.520 the field. Here's the problem with RFK Junior. He said, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.920 Johnny come lately to the field. I like what he's doing. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.720 He doesn't have the nuance or the subtlety to understand 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.880 a lot of it. And even when he was appointed, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.079 I was sending messages to Trump saying, you can't eliminate 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.120 the entire Health and Human Services Department. There are some 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.199 good sciences and the scientists and the nih You can't 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.840 throw the baby out with the bath water. Slow down. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.720 All revolutionaries, as you know, left and right, want to 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.640 start from the beginning. You can't do it. You can't 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.720 fire every scientist. I try to tell him that, and 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.120 I try to get on the good side of RFK Junior. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:32.320 Without any look. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.760 Russ was skiing and asked, and if you were sitting, 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.679 you know who was on the chair next to him, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.000 RFK Junior. So he said to him who he is? 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.320 And he says, you know who my dad is. And 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.160 he says Michael Savage, and he says, Wow, he's a 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:43.600 great guy. 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.160 But you know, I've never talked to him RFK all 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.920 these years. No, I still haven't gotten to him. Interesting, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.440 despite the fact that you've been at this longer than 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:51.960 he's been there. 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.160 I would like to help as an advisor on the 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.600 alternative medicine side of his revolutionary quest. And I also 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.440 would like to offer you, Gavin some as the governor 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.720 of this great state where I've been since seventy four, 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.040 don't you have a health task force alternative medicine? 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.200 Of course, No, we've been. We're about wellness, about health care, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.880 not sick care. We've been focused on all the issues 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.760 around ultra processed food, free meals, nutritious meals, focusing on 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.960 farm to fork, focusing on proximity to agriculture, focusing on 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.120 small farms and regentative farming, all the component parts and 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:26.120 all this, I mean a lot of it, of course, 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.440 is weaponized politically. I did quote unquote the Skittles Band 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.840 a couple of years ago. The same folks and the 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.280 right we're attacking the Skittles Band, which was about red dye. 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.040 Now they're embracing and celebrating it. The kinnam before. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.599 I wrote about it in nineteen seventy four in a 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.200 book called Bugs in the Peanut Butter. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:41.679 Is that right? 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.640 It was a book for children about all the dangers 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.400 and everyday foods. People thought I was crazy. 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:45.880 I love it. 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.240 But do you have a commission on alternative health, homeopathy, nutrition, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:51.400 herbal medicine. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.640 We have, you know, not full I mean it's represented 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.280 in health bodies, but it's not fully. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:00.000 Represent the State of California should be leading the world 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.400 in all these alternative I think modalities. You have tons 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.800 of practitioners in those fields in this state. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.920 Tell are you? I mean we may negotiate fifty cents. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.000 I'm so curious. I mean, look, I joke about language 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.800 called borders, language called culture, my motto your I mean, 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.040 it's just indelible. I was listening to you as a supervisor, 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.080 is listening to you as mayor not just because we 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.920 ran into each other, not just because I knew your 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.040 son Russ and love your wife Janet. You're the most 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.680 entertaining person in personality period, full stop and storyteller. On 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:38.760 the radio, you were. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.120 I'm a good story Well, I tell stories because they're 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.280 part of life and education. Is about telling stories. A 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.440 good teacher tells a story, doesn't just beat you up 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.319 with facts. So if I can tell a story about 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.640 my life and it tell it makes a political point, fine, 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.839 So let me tell a political story. If I may 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.720 about five years ago I had a heart attack. Yeah, okay, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.000 hearing Marin County. Yes, so I'm right to Marine General. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.520 I have to wait online. It's filled with illegal aliens. 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:06.920 And the girl at the desk makes me wait. I said, 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:08.120 I'm dying. Do you want to say what I called? 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.280 The car he's waiting for me, and she starts driving 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.160 me through like hooks. I said no, and I walk 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.520 into the er room and they hooked me up and 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.640 do this stuff. So income too, huge two hundred and 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.840 fifty pound black bodyguards because they heard there was a 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.520 troublemaker in the emergency room. So here's this little Jewish 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.160 guy in the surny with wires and plugs in him. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.200 And I said, yeah, I'm the one who was causing 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:30.800 trouble out there. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.640 They laughed and they left, and I said, why do 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.440 I have to wait to get into an emergency room 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.640 when I pay more taxes than any ten thousand of them? 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.400 Do you know what. That's why we do preventive care. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.680 That's why with a different approach, because we have sick 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.520 care in the emergency room that's universal all across this country. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.760 Well I told you above access all across the country 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.520 who's sailors instance as you are, and sabstantially higher prices 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.320 on the back end for the emergency. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.920 See, this is where we disagree, because you can't give 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.160 first world excellent medical ok to everyone on the planet. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.960 Michael was going bankrupt. No, and I appreciate it, but honestly, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.120 I mean that sincerely. What would you do to the 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.480 person that was just hit by a car, that was 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.280 here for fifteen years taking care of your elderly grandparents 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.840 in an elder care facility and they end up in 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.200 the emergency room. You say, no, you're not going to 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:17.440 get that. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.440 Of course, you're going to give them care. First of all, 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.240 it's not only in your Maine, but it's available to them. 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:23.920 But that's not what we're talking about. There are people 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.600 coming over the border just for expensive surgeries, just for 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.080 expensive By. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:30.720 The way, a few years ago, I remember people going 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.120 south of the border into Tijuana from San Diego because 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.640 it was cheaper to get some quality care in Mexico. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.920 Telebody, if you talk about borders, language and culture, which 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.600 you introduced, and I think it's very important. 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.400 Everyone knows it's my mantra. Why aren't you asking it? 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.160 By the way, when was it your mantra? I mean 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.960 ninety four were people talking like that in the early nineties. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.800 They were starting to a little bit right now Prop 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.880 ninety seven in California. Oh you remember, so there was 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.440 a little of that, but you but you really coined 0:15:58.480 --> 0:15:58.880 that frame. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.800 Okay, So I created the poll of your society in 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.320 ninety four here in California, which no longer exists. 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.560 And the motto, how to write a card up? What 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:07.120 do we stand for? 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.280 Border's language, culture? So nobody truly understood it. But there's 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.480 not a country on earth that is not defined by 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.960 its borders, unified by its language, and doesn't have a 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:16.720 common culture. And when you lose all of that, you 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.320 lose the nation. I don't care what the nation is. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.920 It could be a small African nation, a small Caribbean nation. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.120 They're defined by their border's language and culture. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:23.600 How old does that? 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.400 People understand? So when let me just finish the border thing. 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.800 Even China built the Great Wall of China to protect 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.600 its border. Why because the Mongols were invading China. So 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.720 I'm a total believer in the sovereignty of a nation. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.000 I don't know how anyone can argue with that. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.400 Right, And I mean there are some that obviously do, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:44.800 but I'm not among them. By the way, California we 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.400 put down almost four hundred, three hundred and ninety four 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.000 National Guards since the week I first became governor to 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.920 supplement and support customs and border patrol at the border, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.800 to address some of the issues of fentanyl and some 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:58.200 of the border security concerns. 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.560 So I you agree with Trump then on cracking down 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.040 on the flood of illegals into the nation. 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.040 I think there's a way of doing it and approaching it, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.800 and I think we have a broader problem, which is 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:10.200 immigration policy and asylum abuse. The asylum system is broken 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.480 in the United States. You have the power to do 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.080 something about it in the state, don't you. Well, not directly, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.680 and we have no border direct border except for supplementing 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.000 our support, which we again have been doing for years 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:20.640 and years and years. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.399 So he has a great statement that no one's going 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.320 to expect from me, where I probably I am to 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.040 the left of view on something I love with immigration 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.959 that people don't understand. I know of a person who 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.000 was here twenty years from Mexico. He's worked seven days 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.040 a week, he's paid taxes. He can't become a citizen. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:37.280 That's wrong. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:40.399 I'm with you. Something's wrong with that. That's why we 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.080 talk about the border, which is critical. Not even a 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.000 traffic ticket. I appreciate you. It's not even a traffic ticket. 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.760 Now you haven't So this is interesting. Just the last 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.000 comprehensive survey in the state of California, and this is 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.960