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Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Michael Savage. The

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Speaker 1: hell are you doing here? Why what are we doing here?

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Speaker 1: The two of us, of all people.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're supposedly political polar opposites, which we probably are. However,

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Speaker 2: as I say on my TV show, you don't have

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Speaker 2: Some actually like me on my politics, which is the ideal.

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Speaker 1: I love it. So we've known each other, I mean

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Speaker 1: full disclosure. So folks may not know this. We've known

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Speaker 1: each other over the course, on and off for a

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Speaker 1: couple of decades, now right, I mean back, I remember you.

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Speaker 1: I was joking with Trump the other day in the

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Speaker 1: calling me newscom is not novels discuss Savage had a

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Speaker 2: On when I was mayor any twosome news Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. Should I tell that story?

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Speaker 1: No, you shouldn't all that stories.

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Speaker 2: It's got your great father involved in it. He did

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Speaker 2: he get involved in it?

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Speaker 1: No? I met.

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Speaker 2: I was in a North Beach restaurant, which you remember

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Speaker 2: the heyday of the North Beach restaurant. Come on your

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Speaker 2: dad may rest in peace. Judge Newsom was there. I

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Speaker 2: was introduced to him and I said, you were the

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Speaker 2: gay marriage at resolution. And I said, Judge, your son

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Speaker 2: And he said, you know, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Michael. Well, guess what we were both wrong. He did

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Speaker 2: I don't remember. Honestly, I don't know what you ran as.

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Speaker 2: I know that the city was. Look, I came here

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Speaker 2: new to the city. It was a great, wide open city.

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Speaker 2: You could do whatever the hell you wanted. And then

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Speaker 2: what happened was it went off the rails because ultra

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Speaker 2: tolerance led to or, as I put it, Governor Newsom,

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Speaker 2: when anything goes, everything goes.

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Speaker 1: Got it. It's a good line. It's a good line.

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Speaker 1: My line. I told my kids. I said, how you

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Speaker 1: do anything is how you do everything. It's true. So

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Speaker 1: you got to focus on the detail. How you make

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Speaker 1: your bed, and it's what how you do everything? You

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Speaker 1: actually make them make their bed, make them make their beds.

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Speaker 1: I make my bed too, by the way, But I

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Speaker 1: You went to Berkeley PhD in seventy.

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Speaker 1: So they were very excited. Mean, that's because I remember

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Speaker 2: That's that's why I'm here, That's why you invited me here.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, So you really, I mean, it was that indelibent?

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Speaker 2: Well, Gavin, I was a social worker in New York

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Speaker 1: And so you weren't raised necessarily with a strong ideological

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Speaker 1: Oh no, your parents weren't. That's your father, your mom.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't out there marching the streets for

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Speaker 2: Nobody knew a Republican in my family or in my circles.

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Speaker 2: I remember he came through the depression, right. He worked

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Speaker 2: He told me stories of driving some correct politician to

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Speaker 2: So he to him the government intervened in the Great

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Speaker 2: But he didn't understand that. After JFK, who I voted for,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's notion of responsibility, not just opera. It's the

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Speaker 2: Books published, several unpublished. So well, you know, there's two

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Speaker 2: of Power and A Time for War. They're set in

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Speaker 2: Ago, all the Italian and all the Democrats would meet

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Speaker 1: Room and the closet of Republicans.

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Speaker 2: See, they'd meet there, and one of them once said

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Speaker 2: to him, he said, Michael, you know what they said

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Speaker 2: right wing. I'm a fascist. That's what Lorenzo said. May

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Speaker 1: You rest in peace. By the way, I'm survived. He

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Speaker 1: different generation, but but it so we were shaped so similarly.

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Speaker 1: We have, you know, not full I mean it's represented

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Speaker 1: Do you know what. That's why we do preventive care.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you're going to give them care. First of all,

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Speaker 2: People understand? So when let me just finish the border thing.

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Speaker 1: I how to do it, Gavin, I pay sixteen percent

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Speaker 2: Well there's and I work, and I'm eighty three years

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Speaker 2: will leave this stake, and that will be taxation. With

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Speaker 2: that representation, I can go to Florida and pay no

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Speaker 2: state tax.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I mean The reality is you're we

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Speaker 1: have the highest tax rate, but not the highest taxes

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Speaker 1: in America. Who has a higher state tax tax rate?

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of people are not you. They're not

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Speaker 1: the one percent, which means ninety nine percent of other people.

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Speaker 1: I'm subraitizing them. No. But at the end of well,

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Speaker 1: we can get to that. But the bottom line, places

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Speaker 1: like you use Florida, they tax their low wage workers

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Speaker 1: more than.

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Speaker 2: We tax the Gavin, I shouldn't be punished for succeeding.

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Speaker 2: It's and it's a disincentive to me.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, should I work? Why should I keep working?

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Speaker 1: Well, there's there's many reasons, and you don't need to work.

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Speaker 1: I know this. There's no going of course, you, of

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Speaker 1: all people not have to work. But I have it.

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Speaker 2: I'm an immigrant son. I wore dead Man's pants as

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Speaker 2: a kid. Every nickel I have, I've worked as I'm

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Speaker 2: five years old. Young man drives to me. He's from Mexico.

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Speaker 2: He says, Michael, you're an inspiration to mean you keep

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Speaker 2: working at your age. I tell all my friends that

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Speaker 2: not all all white people and houses don't work. He says,

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Speaker 2: some of you keep working, And why said You're such

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Speaker 2: an inspiration to me. But work is a sou you know,

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Speaker 2: go again, I'm sorry. Rodan the great sculptor, Yeah, everyone

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Speaker 2: knows his work. It's in the Palace of Legion, amount

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Speaker 2: of all his work, right, love that museum. So I

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Speaker 2: read Rodan avidly and Rodin said work is the only salvation.

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Speaker 2: And I found that to be true.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I was with Voltaire said work selves life,

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Speaker 1: three great evils, boredom, Vice and Need? Who said that Voltaire?

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Speaker 1: Voltaire boredom, boredom, Vice in Need? Look, I'm with you,

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Speaker 1: We're not, but I think it's important. Just in California,

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of middle class taxpayers pay less than

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Speaker 1: they do in California middle class than they do in

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Speaker 1: states like Texas well. Question of who you're for, we

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Speaker 1: have the highest again, to what level we are averaged

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Speaker 1: the slightly above average tax state. It's the one percent.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, we haven't raised your taxes at

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Speaker 1: the one percent since twenty eleven. And it wasn't I

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Speaker 1: wasn't governor, wasn't the lieutenant governor, all right, I just

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Speaker 1: became lieutenant was the voters of California that did that.

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Speaker 1: But I don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 2: Four people always vote for tax session on the rich.

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Speaker 2: That's what Carl Marx taught them to do.

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Speaker 1: So the thing is, I'm not advocating for increasing taxes.

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Speaker 1: Haven't done in as governor of the state of California.

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Speaker 1: No income tax increases under my governorship. I've opposed them.

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Speaker 1: In fact, did five million dollars of ads to stop

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Speaker 1: Proposition thirty, which was a tax increase run by corporations

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Speaker 1: in the Bay Area that had their own special tax

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Speaker 1: increase where I did ads to oppose it and impose

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Speaker 1: the wealth tax in California. So we're trying to keep

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Speaker 1: you here, doctor Savage. Well, I will will leave taxes

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Speaker 1: go up. I know I'm working hard against.

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Speaker 2: So look, I made a little as borders voting, illegal

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Speaker 2: aliens voting in the state.

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Speaker 1: Is that still illegal? Of course it was always illegal.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't never. I'll bring a vote. But what substance

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Speaker 1: of evidence is there to suggest that you have any

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Speaker 1: receipts to back up that all of these people are

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Speaker 1: voting illegally.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that all of them are, but I'll

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Speaker 2: ask you a question that everyone Look, I put this

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Speaker 2: on social media and they said, ask the governor. And

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Speaker 2: again I don't have to be contentious to ask you this,

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Speaker 2: though I appreciate. Why does it take so many months

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Speaker 2: or days to count the ballots in California the month?

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Speaker 2: India one day to count six and forty million votes,

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Speaker 2: Germany eight hours to counts fifty million votes, Argentina six

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Speaker 2: hours to count twenty seven million votes, California four weeks

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Speaker 2: to count sixteen million.

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Speaker 1: Vote It's ridiculous. Why it's ridiculous, it's because it's and

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Speaker 1: by the way, we've been having this conversation enough and

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Speaker 1: it's a first of all, we believe that every vote counts,

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Speaker 1: so we want to make sure every vote is counted.

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Speaker 1: Because of the provisional ballots, the fact we do all

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Speaker 1: mail in ballots, the fact that we have such a

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Speaker 1: huge investments in making sure that we increase that outreach.

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Speaker 1: We want to make sure again every vote counts. But

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Speaker 1: you're right the time right about the right. No, the right, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the right is right, and you are right to criticize

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Speaker 1: the extended period. I'm not actually a right I'm an

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Speaker 1: independent independent conservative. I would what does that mean? Independent

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Speaker 1: meaning I'll make up my own mind about every issue.

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Speaker 1: So on the environment. I'm probably to the left of you.

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Speaker 1: You what I love about you. This is where we

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Speaker 1: have some interaction periodically. And I look at you as

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Speaker 1: you're an animal rights guy that absolutely big into the

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Speaker 1: animal rights advocates. Well, not burning down clinics or attacking

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Speaker 1: people who eat meat. You're conservationists, but you know the

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Speaker 1: environmentalists because there's a difference. Conservationists believe in conserving the environment.

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Speaker 1: Environmentalists use the environment as a political weapon or a

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Speaker 1: tool to advance I would say, a Marxist agenda. There's

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Speaker 1: a big difference. It's it's like anything else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could be force something without using it

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Speaker 2: as a weapon against your political enemies.

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Speaker 1: So everyone's saying the fires, the fires, the fires. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: can we talk about the fire. We need to talk

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Speaker 1: about the fires. It's this last decade has been extraordinary

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Speaker 1: and devastating, not just in Los Angeles, but the campfire

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Speaker 1: where I originally was with President Trump as governor of

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Speaker 1: elect walking there eighty five people lost their lives. We

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Speaker 1: live very close both of us now morin Santa Rosa.

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Speaker 1: The Tubs fire mount terrible fire, one hundred housing units loss.

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Speaker 1: So no, this is this is serious. Stuff, and you know,

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Speaker 1: God bless there's fires going on in the middle of

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Speaker 1: winter in south North Carolina and as we speak.

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Speaker 2: But what about the rebuilding down in Pacific Palisades. This

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Speaker 2: is a hot button issue. Yeah, shouldn't it be a

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, a special master to administer the funds? It

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Speaker 2: seems fishing to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Administer which funds the FEMA.

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Speaker 2: Dollars the rebuilding of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Well, there should be accountability across the specters whose accounting.

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Speaker 1: FEMA has rules and regulations overseen by Congress, and obviously

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Speaker 1: the distribution of those fun A lot of it's individual aid,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it's to the SBA, a lot of

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Speaker 1: it have very prescriptive requirements that are well established across

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Speaker 1: the country. But we're all for accountability. I'm for accountability

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Speaker 1: and I have no problem and I think in terms

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Speaker 1: of that transparency and accountability advocating for it and for

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Speaker 1: all our tax dollars, not just as it relates to reach.

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Speaker 2: So here's one related to it from my friend Danny Harrowitz,

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Speaker 2: who's my attorney.

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Speaker 1: Great man. You got to meet Daniel Hope you never

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Speaker 1: have to meet him, But no, he's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: are you getting in trouble? I hate lawyers. I only

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Speaker 1: like my lawyer.

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Speaker 2: He said, Please, he loves you, he says, he said,

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Speaker 2: please ask the governor the following he said. State Senator

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Speaker 2: Scott Wiener the SF has introduced SB six seven seven,

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Speaker 2: which his website says is designed to strengthen to a

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Speaker 2: California's landmark housing streamlining laws SB nine blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: These bills would allow developers to override local zoning laws

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Speaker 2: and create high density housing in suburbs and places like

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Speaker 2: the burned down areas of LA. The bills allow this

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Speaker 2: intensified development without any provision for increased fire, police, or

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Speaker 2: water services. He says, Gavin, you signed SB nine and

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Speaker 2: S before two three. Given the devastating impact of the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles fires, are you willing to rethink your support

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Speaker 2: of these bills and allow local communities to make their

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Speaker 2: own assessments.

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Speaker 1: Of fire and public safety? Right here so as it

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Speaker 1: relates to the specific bill that he referenced that Scott

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Speaker 1: Winner just introduces one of two thousand, Michael over two

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Speaker 1: thousand bills we're just introduced by the legislation. Too many bills.

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Speaker 1: There's not two thousand problems. I know you think there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of problems. They're not two. You don't

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Speaker 1: think they're two thousands. Don't think there are problems. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's two problems. There's only three. Language of culture,

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Speaker 1: Language and culture. We'll get to language and culture in

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Speaker 1: a second. We talked a little bit about borders, but no,

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Speaker 1: so first of all, I haven't had chance to review

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Speaker 1: it's it's difficult to respond specifically about it. It's not

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Speaker 1: on my desk. It may never end up on my desk.

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Speaker 1: Which are these bills the bill that he was referencing

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Speaker 1: from scot Winner. But and that's not just me punting

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Speaker 1: on it. But let me talk about the rebuild in LA.

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking to up zone the palis Aes. We're

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Speaker 1: not looking to make this sort of developer friendly. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I waive the Coastal Act and I Wave Sequel, which

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Speaker 1: is our environmental reforms to allow people to rebuild like

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Speaker 1: units within one hundred and ten percent of the original

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Speaker 1: foot right with the original plans. Fast tracking that process,

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Speaker 1: we got the debris removed. And thank you to the EPA,

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Speaker 1: thank you Lee Zelden, thank you to President Trump directly

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Speaker 1: for helping. We got the debris for the hazardous waste

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Speaker 1: done in less than thirty days, unprecedented in US history.

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Speaker 1: We want to get the rest of this debris done

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Speaker 1: within nine months. Concurrently, we're already doing housing permits and

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Speaker 1: people were going to start reconstruction in a matter of months.

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Speaker 1: But you got to build back smarter better. You've got

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Speaker 1: to deal with the climate realities. You've got to deal

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Speaker 1: with fire issues, You've got to deal with redundancies and

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Speaker 1: systems related to Fire's going to slow everything down, not

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Speaker 1: going to slow you that we do this. Concurrently, we

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Speaker 1: do this and sort of stacking order. We're trying to

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Speaker 1: do this quickly, but safely and smartly because we don't

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Speaker 1: want to be as dumb as we possibly by building

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Speaker 1: back in the way that we built in the fifties

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Speaker 1: for a world that no longer exists today. And you

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Speaker 1: have to admit hots are getting hotter drys or dryer droughts,

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Speaker 1: well is atmospheric rivers. No, no, no, mister savage. Slow

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Speaker 1: science is my middle name. I know, but your I mean,

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Speaker 1: but your other your eyes tell you a different story too, right. No, No,

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Speaker 1: reality is reality. Let's talk about climate change. If you

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Speaker 1: brought it up.

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Speaker 2: I up, I run up temperatures, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: this is total bullshit.

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Speaker 1: They're all wrong on it.

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Speaker 2: The science doesn't support it. And I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: you one piece of evidence that people don't want to

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Speaker 2: look at, real science evidence. I did it on my

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Speaker 2: YouTube channel yesterday because I was talking about the Pope

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Speaker 2: and his health. And the Pope is a radical leftist politically,

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Speaker 2: by the way, Saint Francis San Francisco. No, and I

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Speaker 2: wish him our patron's speedy recovery. But he was a radical,

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Speaker 2: you know, leftist guy, and he was wrong about environmental

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Speaker 2: things because I know who wrote his encyclical on this,

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Speaker 2: and the guy is a classic Marxist. So one piece

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Speaker 2: of evidence, which they'll cut right out of this tape.

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Speaker 2: They're called the vastork ice core samples. No one heard

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Speaker 2: of them, Okay, So Russia and France, you got left

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Speaker 2: and right scientists from both countries drill into the Antarctic shelf.

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Speaker 2: They drill down ten thousand feet two miles. They pull

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Speaker 2: up a core from the Antarctic. And why are you

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Speaker 2: looking at the core of the Antarctic Because you can

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Speaker 2: see climactic changes in the core. As you understand, and

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Speaker 2: guess what, there were carbon dioxide increases millennia ago, but

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Speaker 2: they always followed temperature increases. They didn't cause the temperature increases.

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Speaker 2: People don't understand that we had a period of great

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Speaker 2: flora enveloping the Earth, which produced a great deal of

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Speaker 2: carbon dioxide.

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Speaker 1: So it now. Don't get me wrong, though, I'm not

650
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Speaker 1: arguing for pollution. I'm a guy a bicycle every day.

651
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I like a Berkeley graduate bicycles every day and writes

652
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: books about nutrition. I believe me. I hate police the

653
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Speaker 1: original I mean, the guy who's inspired so much of

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Speaker 1: what Trump is a fits. Well, let's talk about that

655
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Speaker 1: if you want. Let's talk about Trump and Trump is it.

656
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Speaker 1: But don't you and before that though, because to be

657
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Speaker 1: fair on the climate issue, I mean, but you'll you'll

658
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Speaker 1: acknowledge well you know, I mean seriously, just you know,

659
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Speaker 1: and you're you've got your northern California guy, you go

660
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Speaker 1: up to Lake Tahoe, just the snow levels. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these there's some trend lines here that are understandable. Headline,

662
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Speaker 1: climate has been changing for millennia, and what you'll acknowledge

663
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Speaker 1: it's changing. Well wait a minute, but it's not changing

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Speaker 1: in the direction you think it is. We're actually we're

665
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Speaker 1: actually entering a little ice period. People don't study history

666
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Speaker 1: long and in geological history, we're actually entering a cold phase,

667
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Speaker 1: not a hot phase. So climate. Remember in the.

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Speaker 2: Middle Ages of fifteen hundreds it was very cold in

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Speaker 2: Europe or read about me.

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Speaker 1: You weren't around, Yeah, it wasn't, but it was frozen.

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Speaker 2: England was for all of the Dickens novels set in

672
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Speaker 2: the snow in London because cold wave came through England.

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Speaker 2: It was a cold a little ice age.

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Speaker 1: It was called.

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Speaker 2: We're entering a small, little ice period on the Earth,

676
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Speaker 2: not the opposite. So there's a lot more to the science.

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Speaker 2: If you could let me sit down and I'll show

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Speaker 2: you data and your scientists they're not going to want

679
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Speaker 2: to hear it because people don't want to look at science.

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00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: They only want their doxies supported by the science they

681
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Speaker 2: approve of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, look, I you don't have to

683
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Speaker 1: believe in science, but I do. I joked about believing

684
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Speaker 1: your own eyes. I mean, places, lifestyles, traditions, communities being

685
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Speaker 1: wiped off the mat. We had a three year historic doubt.

686
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Speaker 1: The most significant drought California's history, drought since statehood, and

687
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Speaker 1: it ended in three weeks with the wettest three weeks

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Speaker 1: since state correct the.

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Speaker 2: Wettest extreme is Nature always corrects, it's so extreme, correctly,

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Speaker 2: I come on, nature corrects.

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Speaker 1: So wait, I'll tell you. Somebody does bat last bats

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Speaker 1: a thousand. Chemistry, biology, physics, that's all Mother Nature is.

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Speaker 1: I'll agree with you on that.

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Speaker 2: But Gavin, listen, in eighteen seventy two, it was so

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Speaker 2: hot in the state of California before there was the

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Speaker 2: first internal combustion engine. Eighteen seventy two, the corn fields

697
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Speaker 2: exploded in the Sacramento Valley from a heat wave.

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Speaker 1: No cars, no real factories yet.

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Speaker 2: Because the climate was changing, because it always changes.

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Speaker 1: Now, having said that, I'm not arguing for pollution. I

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Speaker 1: you know why I I'm a theft in my mind.

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Speaker 1: You know why I moved from New York pollution.

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Speaker 2: I left New York in the sixties to get away

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Speaker 2: from the I would be deadified state.

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Speaker 1: By the way, in nineteen sixty seven, Ronald Reagan, then governor,

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Speaker 1: agreed with you. He created the California Air Resources Board

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Speaker 1: because of the smog in LA. He wanted to clean

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Speaker 1: the Air, Clean Air Act nineteen seventy Did he do it?

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Speaker 1: And our waiver was caught out? That's what Trump's attacking

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Speaker 1: right now. There's a beautiful picture of Reagan in the

711
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Speaker 1: oval looking down at President Trump as he vandalizes Reagan

712
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Speaker 1: and Nixon's clean Trump on this podcast, even though you

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Speaker 1: would like me to but Snell, we're getting along Trump

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Speaker 1: and you and we still we spent an hour out

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Speaker 1: but he's look.

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Speaker 2: How can you ask him for three hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 2: to rebuild California and spend and spend fifty millions and

718
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Speaker 2: spend fifty million attacking in house.

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Speaker 1: We didn't spend fifty million attack We hope we don't

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Speaker 1: use a penny of it. We had. We were involved

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Speaker 1: in one hundred and twenty two lawsuits in the last

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. I was only involved in two years of that.

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Speaker 1: Governor Brown, who you know well have had on your

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Speaker 1: show and over the years, was I think I did

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Speaker 1: years ago, years ago? Yeah, And I said, I only

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Speaker 1: make the point that you're always someone that reaches out.

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Speaker 1: And I've always appreciated that.

728
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Speaker 2: I had Nancy Pelosi on my radio show proving the point.

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Speaker 1: Nobody would know it. I know. I had charl Schumer

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Speaker 1: on my radio show years ago. No one knows that. See,

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Speaker 1: you know why why politics makes strange, bad fellow. That's

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Speaker 1: why we're here up having a civil conversation. So look,

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Speaker 1: we didn't put that money up to go after proactively Trump.

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Speaker 1: We're doing to protect Ronald Reagan's leadership at the California

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Speaker 1: Resource Sport.

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Speaker 2: If you make that start, If you want now look

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Speaker 2: on the environment, I can guarantee you that on the environment,

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Speaker 2: Trump and I don't get along. I can guarantee you sing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we knew that in the last administration. And in fact,

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Speaker 2: I can tell you a story about it if you'd

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Speaker 2: like to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was an Air Force one with him in the

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Speaker 2: flying Oval Office. I won't tell you the long story,

745
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Speaker 2: but we flew out of Moffitt Field to LA to

746
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Speaker 2: a fundraiser. I got on at the last minute, and

747
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Speaker 2: he didn't like me because I was criticizing him on

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Speaker 2: the radio about his environmental policies.

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Speaker 1: I'm led into the Oval Office.

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Speaker 2: I was let on the plane at almost the last minute,

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Speaker 2: and the guy I won't tell you who got me on,

752
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Speaker 2: he said it takes months for clearance we got you on.

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Speaker 1: She gets me on. I'm on the plane and they have.

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Speaker 2: A buffet and I tend to like wine, and I

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Speaker 2: was I hadn't dr so I started drinking more wine.

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Speaker 1: On Trump's air force.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't drink, but no, I know, yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 2: think i'd be meeting him. I thought I was just

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Speaker 2: getting a ride down to LA for another fundraiser. All

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, after I had three glasses of wine,

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Speaker 2: they said.

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Speaker 1: He'll see you now.

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Speaker 2: I said, now, okay, So they bring me and I

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Speaker 2: swear to God, he's sitting in the most powerful chair

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Speaker 2: in the world. And the minute I walked through the

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Speaker 2: door to the guy who brings me, and he says,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't look at me. He says, what is he

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Speaker 2: doing here? Points at me like I'm a none person,

769
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Speaker 2: but I'm from Queen's on the other side of Junia Turnpike,

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Speaker 2: and I know how he works. She sits and he

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Speaker 2: goes like this, like bring the Hebrew in, you know,

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Speaker 2: sit him down, the king bring He sits me down

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Speaker 2: and I say, he says, what are you doing here?

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00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: Because he knew I was critical of him on animals

775
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Speaker 2: in the environment. I said, Donald, you need me because

776
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Speaker 2: I don't need you. I said, come on, knock it off.

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Speaker 1: You have Hannity in.

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Speaker 2: Your back pocket like a sock puppet. I said, they

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Speaker 2: all kiss your ass. I said, you need me because

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Speaker 2: I speak to the educated people out there who want

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Speaker 2: the environment protected. I don't need you, and went on

782
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Speaker 2: and on. But you know, Gavin, after that we settled down.

783
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Speaker 2: We had fifteen minute flight. His valet brings out two

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Speaker 2: hot dogs. They were kosher, by the way, and I'm

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Speaker 2: not kosher, and I'm starving because i didn't need all day.

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Speaker 1: Show you how sensitive me is. You've met the man

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Speaker 1: oh many times.

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Speaker 2: And he looks in my eyes and he sees my

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Speaker 2: eyes down onto the hot dogs, and he looks at

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Speaker 2: me and he.

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Speaker 1: Says, do you want one?

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Speaker 2: The most powerful man in the world, holds up a

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Speaker 2: tray and asks me, I'll take one of his two

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Speaker 2: hot dogs. Being from New York, I said sure. Now,

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00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: last point, he's not a bad guy. He says to me,

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Speaker 2: mustard to catch him.

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00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: Well, that's obvious, right, No, I tell me you're a mustard.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mustard guy. Got but he put it on

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Speaker 1: my hot dog. So what is the point. The point

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Speaker 1: is that he's actually a very sensitive guy to other people.

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00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: I agree, by the way you are as well. But

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00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: I've always felt that about you. I am it's a compliment.

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00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: Thirty years ago. You came to a Thanksgiving party. Thirty

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00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: years ago, Gavin. Okay, I said, two decades, it's been three. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe in the radio in ninety four, we're Atalia Pharaoh,

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Speaker 1: which you can't even make up. You subbed for Ray

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Speaker 1: tel Oh, who is a liberal lion back in the day,

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Speaker 1: late later than I remember that case, late late caj

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Speaker 1: But then you and so that was obviously such a

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Speaker 1: success and you and obviously you woke a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a success.

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Speaker 2: What happened was the program to I have to ask

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Speaker 2: me to fill in for a guy on kg I

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Speaker 2: never listened to because I'm not up in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the night. So I figured, y'all do radio. So

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Speaker 2: I go on kg O at night. I didn't even

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 2: know who he was, and I started talking about stuff

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00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: that I believe in, and people were pulling the most

819
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: hateful calls I ever had in my life. I drove

820
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Speaker 2: home that night to my family. I was shaken. Looking

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Speaker 2: in the rearview mirror. I was scared someone was going

822
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Speaker 2: to kill me.

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Speaker 1: You literally except for raytali Affarah. I mean i'm talking

824
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Speaker 1: about let I mean Bernie Sanders is a right wing

825
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Speaker 1: to Ray Tali Affaarah, and he's he's sort of dominant.

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Speaker 1: But so you got your own show the next year. No.

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Speaker 2: No, I went home and I said to my wife,

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Speaker 2: I'm never going to do radio again as long as

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Speaker 2: I live. It was the most hateful experience of my life.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing it again. Next day, the phone rings

831
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Speaker 2: and the rest is history. She begged me to do

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: it again. I said, I'll never do that show again,

833
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: and I'll never do an overnight show again. And before

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Speaker 2: long they created KSFO, the Conservative Alternative. They made me

835
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Speaker 2: the afternoon drive host, and of course it took off

836
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Speaker 2: from there. Then it became syndicated, but not just took off.

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Speaker 2: I mean you had but nine million listeners are probably

838
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Speaker 2: closer to twenty million listeners.

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Speaker 1: Which is at the peak. So I mean you were

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Speaker 1: the I mean you talk about this whole space. I

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00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: mean we and you know how everything's changed. You've got

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00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: your podcast now radio, but you dominated this space. Well,

843
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Rush was number one. It was you Rush, Rush, Hannity

844
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Speaker 1: and Savage and Hannie Yeah, yeah, but Hannity has no intellect. Rush.

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Speaker 2: I won't say a word about because he's deceased. I

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00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: won't talk about the debt.

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Speaker 1: You've never been shy about criticizing anybody and including myself.

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Speaker 1: Are you good about your good stuff? But I don't

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Speaker 1: want to you. I mean, I love even Joe. Even

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, which is interesting, called him a meathead.

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Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately he is a bit of a meathead. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: you can't argue with success. No, and the fact is

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Speaker 2: that the most number one biggest podcaster in the country.

854
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Speaker 2: But ask yourself a question, why hasn't he had me on?

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00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: Why?

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00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't because he's afraid to talk to me. He's

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00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: had people you never heard of on that podcast.

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Speaker 1: Understatement, most I don't I but you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: read the time. Look, I had three hour Pucket.

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Speaker 2: I had Tucker Calson on my first TV show on

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Speaker 2: Newsmacs four weeks ago, which was a shock.

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00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: Why because he hadn't been back on TV and all I.

863
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Speaker 2: Didn't think Tucker would do an interview Number one interesting,

864
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: he's a giant Okay, and Tucker always liked me I

865
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 2: ran into him in San Francisco in a studio. We

866
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: were crossing doing a show. He was very friendly to me.

867
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: Then never talked to me again, and I invited him

868
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Speaker 2: on my TV show and he shockingly said yes. And

869
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 2: he's a very congenial intelligence.

870
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: You thank him. I appreciate. But you don't like Glenn Beck.

871
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: You called him what he hemorrhoids with eyes.

872
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: Well, I believe that was then. I don't use those

873
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: terms anymore. I become older and wiser. But Gavin, you

874
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: know you should have Tucker on. He's very smart.

875
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Speaker 1: I don't I agree. I think no, I'm fascinated by Tucker,

876
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: but I'm fascinated by.

877
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: Well, he's a liberal at heart. You know he's People

878
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: don't remember Tucker had a bow tie and was on MSNBC.

879
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: Do you remember that you had a three months show

880
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: on MSNBC.

881
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: If people can't believe that either, Jesus, I remember that

882
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: I was watching you every night. Did you see the

883
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: night I apploaded that was well you You expressed a

884
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: strong opinion that was not necessarily shared by Manys and

885
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: it was a prank color I recall it was a

886
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: prank caller.

887
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: They had their power to control it by cutting it

888
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: and editing it out, and they let it run because

889
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: they I was undermined by the team. Watch out for

890
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: your team, gam I was told in the media from

891
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: the beginning. It's always the people who run the cameras,

892
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: the lights and the microphones will control your future.

893
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: But it's amazing you're resilience. But more important, I want

894
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: to go back though. You dominated this space and so

895
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: basically and you're still at it to the point you

896
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: don't need to do this obviously, you love doing it.

897
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: You're entertaining as hell. It's not all jaical plating edutainment.

898
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: Let's say there's a entertainment. Is that how you describe it?

899
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: Is it? I mean, and has that been the secret sauce?

900
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: It's I mean fact sure, but I mean you're talking

901
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: about what you're eating. You're talking about, yes, recipes.

902
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: That was the that was the fun part of my

903
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: radio stuff. But on YouTube, I do cooking shows at

904
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: night in my house where I can curse politicians. So

905
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: if I'm cooking, if I'm cooking my Kla mari or

906
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: my shrimp at night on my pan and the cameras

907
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: on me and I say, this shrimp has more integrity

908
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: than Joe Biden. And I'm not kidding at least you

909
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 2: know it's a shrimp and where it came from. But okay,

910
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: but I would use cooking as a foil.

911
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. So what do you make

912
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: of today? What do you make of the Charlie Kirk

913
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: types and Tucker that. I mean, all these folks, these

914
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: new platforms, hundreds of me. I mean, they seem to

915
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: be profoundly influential in sort of building off the craft

916
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: you sort of led decades and decades ago. I mean

917
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: they're sort of the oh, forgive the frame, but og

918
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: so much would exist as well, just sort of the

919
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: well in the vernacular of you know, original gangster, you know.

920
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm using, you know, just some language that

921
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: people can know now I understand, you know, but I

922
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: mean literally, it's the world you invented that didn't invent

923
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: and it existed before me. They was talking to in

924
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: New York. I never listened to it, by the way, Yeah,

925
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: I was not that interested. But you took it to

926
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: another level because I introduced a level of education and

927
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: knowledge and personality that never existed. People are not willing

928
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: to talk about their daily so if I would walk

929
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: in San Francisco and i'd go in a restaurant. I

930
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: eat a lot of cheap Chinese restaurants, which I love.

931
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: I would talk about the meal, and people were interested

932
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: in the meal as much as they were in the politics,

933
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: if not more so. And you also, as you're walking

934
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Speaker 1: the streets express you're what of you about the politics?

935
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Speaker 2: And let's talk about San Francisco. Gavin, Please, I love

936
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: the city. I don't go over the bridge anymore.

937
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you should. He's coming back. What happened back?

938
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Speaker 1: Here's what's happening about. Ten years ago. I was in

939
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: North North Beach restaurant just real in November. They called

940
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Speaker 1: me when I was in Florida, the new owners. Do

941
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: you know them?

942
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, And he asked me to come in. He said,

943
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: we know how important you are to this restaurant. But

944
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: by the way, I have three novels here. That restaurant's

945
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: featured in three of them. So I'm sitting in North

946
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: Beach having dinner. A man comes by, if you want

947
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: to call him, that takes his pants down and defecates

948
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Speaker 2: outside the window in the street.

949
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: Not excepting without.

950
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: Civility, there could be no civil order. In a country

951
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 2: I agree with. This shouldn't be permitted.

952
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: It's not acceptable. The encampments nor the tents. I couldn't agree.

953
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean, how you were driving? Accountability were drive? How

954
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: do you not cracked down on the well, remember I

955
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: did care, not cash. My body was burning effigy. It

956
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: became the defining issues. When I was mayor, we dropped.

957
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: We reduced the street population by third. We still population. Well,

958
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: it's not a static environment. I wasn't mayor. It's been decades.

959
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: PA the government half. I'm the governor, but I'm not

960
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: the mayor of California, and I want to see accountability

961
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: at every level of government. The state visus is realizingly

962
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: it's it is turning around. I still don't go, oh,

963
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: you got to you gotta Neighborhoods are thriving in San Francisco.

964
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: You got a new you got a new mayor, and

965
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: there's great he's he's pretty Daniel, yes, and he's cracked

966
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: down on the tents and the encampments, and you're seeing progress.

967
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: We're starting to see that. I hope I live long

968
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: enough to eat in San Francisco again. Come on, you

969
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: love eating in San Francisco. Scomas and the neverate Scoma's

970
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: in my life. You never did again, made it up.

971
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: We should go to dinner in the North Peach restaurant.

972
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: We have to.

973
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: Let's go in when you're ready for it, and then

974
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: I'll tell the story on my podcast. So, Gavin, the

975
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: homeless thing is the turning point. When that man defecated

976
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: outside the window, that was the beginning of the end

977
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: of San Francisco for it not only for me, but

978
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: for the whole city. Because the cops couldn't do anything

979
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: about it. The hands were tied by this small band

980
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: of radical left wingers who were saying they're sacred, you

981
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: can't touch them.

982
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look when I was there, when I was mayor,

983
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: you may recall this. I did a sit Lie ordnance.

984
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: I did this anti panantling ordnance. I did care not cash,

985
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: converting welfare checks to services and accountability. We saw real progress.

986
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: I've been very AGGRESSI Savanna encampments, just did a new

987
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: executive order in the state and we're flooding the zone

988
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: with state support and a way we've never done in

989
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: the past. When I got there, Michael, this is important.

990
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: There was never a governor that actually there was no

991
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: homeless plan in the state of California. There was no

992
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: support for cities and counties, and it felt that way

993
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: we had under Schwartzenegger. It's not a knock on ar Old,

994
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: but goes back to two thousand and five. We had

995
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty eight thousand homeless in California. It's

996
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: not new. What's happened metastasized into a cancer after especially

997
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: during COVID and what's happening the street.

998
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: We're blaming COVID, but you know, no civil society would

999
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: tolerate this, Gavin, And here's my position on it, and

1000
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: it's something you're not going to like to hear. There

1001
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: is a solution to the homeless problem, which is ended well,

1002
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: you build camps for them in places outside cities, and

1003
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: you give them the care that they need against their will.

1004
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: You don't let them shoot up in the streets, you

1005
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 2: don't let them defecate or urinate or beat up old

1006
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: women in the streets. You take them off the streets.

1007
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with focus A one hundred percent, agree

1008
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: with broadly with that settiment in terms of cohercion. Just

1009
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: so you know, we just did two major reforms we've

1010
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: had all these old conservatorship laws that are weak. We

1011
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: finally have strengthened conservativeship law so we can begin to

1012
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: get people off the streets. We also established a new

1013
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: paradigm called care Court, which is a whole new strategy

1014
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: to also help in advance to address that subset of people.

1015
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: And we did the most significant mental health reforms and

1016
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: investments in state's history. That those resources are going out

1017
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: to do regional centers along the lines of what you're suggesting,

1018
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: taking them against the way different paradigm of thinking more

1019
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: supportive care as opposed to substituted care in the vernacular

1020
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: of all the quote unquote experts, and we're trying to

1021
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: make up for this. And you'll appreciate this as a

1022
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: California in nineteen fifty nine, at peak nineteen fifty nine,

1023
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: California had thirty seven thousand mental health beds. Today five

1024
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: five hundred corect. Oh you're agreeing, OK, reopen to the

1025
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: mental hospitals for double the population today. So we had

1026
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: half the population in the late fifties and sixties, of course,

1027
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: and we had thirty seven thousand. So what we're doing,

1028
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: we just did this initiative Proposition one to provide six

1029
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: plus thousand new units that were all throughout the state.

1030
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: And we're regionalizing along the lines of what you're saying,

1031
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: mental hospitals, literally, behavior health, subsecuse mental health and literally

1032
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: it's the biggest investments in US history, biggest investments. Or

1033
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: do they have to comply? That's what the Conservatorship Reform

1034
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: SB forty three was about. That's what our care Court

1035
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: is about.

1036
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: And we so if a guide defecates outside a restaurant window,

1037
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: a copkin and restaurants send him to one of these facilities.

1038
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: They can refer them through the care Court. In fact,

1039
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: a police officer quite literally now because of my care

1040
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: court can refer. In the past, they could not refer

1041
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: that individual.

1042
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: Well, I hope it works. Look, we all have a

1043
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: lot at stake in this state and in this city.

1044
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: It's why I don't leave, because I still love the

1045
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: state in the city. But if it's intolerable at a

1046
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: certain point, everyone will leave.

1047
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: Business is a leaving. It's interesting, Well business, we have

1048
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: more fortune five hundred companies than anytime the last deck.

1049
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 2: Well, why did they kick SpaceX out?

1050
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: Why would you take SpaceX is not being kicked out, well,

1051
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: they can't launch their rockets because of the coastal And

1052
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: you saw what did I do? I joined in the law.

1053
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: I literally said, I'm with Elon Musk attacking the Coastal Commission.

1054
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: I couldn't have been I was very vocal, and then

1055
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: you were really acceptable. We had fifty one launches last year,

1056
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: which is a record since nineteen seventy four. Why would

1057
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: you not want a rocket company in California. We have

1058
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: the Mohave Desert, we have Vanderberg, and we have Rocket Beach,

1059
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: which is Long Beach. We're starting to dominating this space

1060
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I hope so. And we have record breaking launches out

1061
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: of Vanderberg. We're making with relativity, not just SpaceX all

1062
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: of the year. You don't want to go to Mars,

1063
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: do you? I'm not personally. I think a lot of

1064
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: people like Elon want me to go to Mars. I

1065
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: don't want to go. I don't even want to go

1066
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: over the bridget talk one and we're out of time,

1067
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: but I wanted just before we're done, I do want

1068
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: to talk about Trump and Trump is you have to

1069
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: be pretty proud that the issues of border in language

1070
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: of culture. I mean, the president just came out saying

1071
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: the English is that's right out of my mantra. Right,

1072
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is stuff you've been preaching for decades. Okay.

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00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: Salon Magazine, left wing magazine a number of years ago,

1074
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: when Trump was president, wrote an article called the Father

1075
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: of Trump a mania and it was about Michael Savage

1076
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: and it was sort of middle ground, wasn't attacking. And

1077
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: I was told by one of his chief architects, who

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00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: I will not mention, shortly after he was elected the

1079
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: first time he visited me in my home in Florida,

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00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: and he said, Michael, we took all of your books,

1081
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: we made talking points, he ran on your platform. I said, okay, fine,

1082
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: because I know he was a liberal when he was

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00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: young in New York. I was a social worker and

1084
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: a democrat. So people change one day. You may be

1085
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: a conservative without even knowing it. But no, but Gavin,

1086
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm the father of a lot of what

1087
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: he's doing. I was honored to see Boarders life. But

1088
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: no one's called me from the White House and said

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00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: we want to give you the Presidential Medal of Freedom,

1090
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: and we recognize that you did this.

1091
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: We think you're great. No one's called how do you

1092
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: think that's the case.

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00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: It's interesting because in every political entity there are politics.

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00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm not involved at all with the in crowd. I

1095
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: don't know them.

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00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: You mentioned Charlie Kirk.

1097
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know. I have all of these sea packs.

1098
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: I've never spoken at any of these announts. I didn't

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00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: think about that you have. Do you have the equivalent

1100
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: of a Presidential Medal of Freedom in the state of California?

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00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: We do California Hall of Fame? Here in the Radio

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00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. I'm in. I'm in the National Radio

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00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But why am I? Okay? You know, Gavin,

1104
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: it's by the way, thank you for asking that question.

1105
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I should be in it. You

1106
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: want things to be lit up, you want me to

1107
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: I want to build board on the highway again. I'm

1108
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: going to announce you in the California Hall of Fame.

1109
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: That will light things up, mister Savage.

1110
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: But I I came here in seventy four. Look what

1111
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: I've done in this state.

1112
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: No, I'm believing you haven't left the state. For a

1113
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: lot of these guys turn their back on California as

1114
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: they're attacking it. You have it, so I admire that

1115
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: I do.

1116
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have to agree with you, nor

1117
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: you with me. For us to sit and have a

1118
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: civilized conversation. It's the only way we're going to solve

1119
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: the problems of the state and the country. Right, and

1120
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 2: I feel the same thing about the country itself. The

1121
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: left and the right already each other's throats to hate

1122
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: each other, and they would like me to have been

1123
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: on this podcast and be screaming and yelling like a

1124
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: foaming idiot. We get nowhere with that.

1125
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: It's idiotic and though, and the whole point of this

1126
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: is not to have those conversations because those I can

1127
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: hear twenty four to seven on Spotify.

1128
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: It's bad for my health, number one, and I don't

1129
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: feel that that gets us anywhere. But before we leave,

1130
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: you brought up Trump and the border's language culture, and

1131
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 2: then you brought up the things you know. I have

1132
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: to thank you for the Bancroft Library and the jets

1133
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: in our barium. I think this should be in your

1134
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: podcast because people say, why are you so nice to

1135
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: Gavin us? Well, I'm not that nice to Gavin Newsom.

1136
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: I just don't go out of my way to insult people.

1137
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: Just for the sake of sounding like an idiot, so

1138
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: a lot of people do.

1139
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

1140
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: I reached out to you about five years ago, and

1141
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: I said that I have the University of Texas is

1142
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: interested in collecting all of my writings, all of my manuscripts,

1143
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: my journals. And I said, they really naturally belong here

1144
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: in California. And you reached out and through the chain,

1145
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 2: the Bancroft Library came back to me and they spent

1146
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: two years with me in my archives, taking all of

1147
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: my correspondence, my writings, and you know, they have the

1148
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: largest collection of Mark Twain papers in the world. And

1149
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: I said to the libraryan it was a lovely lady.

1150
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: I said, don't you feel a little uncomfortable that I'm

1151
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: so called a conservative? She said, Michael, we're not here

1152
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: at the judge politics. We have conservative authors who are Californians,

1153
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: liberal authors or Californians. And she said, you have done

1154
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: so much in your life. She said, you have three phases.

1155
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: You're a poet and a novelist, then you were a

1156
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: botanist and a nutrition writer. Then you're a payment political writer.

1157
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: And she said, we need that in our library. And

1158
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: then I have a collection of medicinal plants, Gamant, they're

1159
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: in the jets in her Barian They're in seven her

1160
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: barrier around the world, Jepson is won. These are the

1161
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: plants I collected, medicinal plants. Yeah, you know where else

1162
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: they are or Moscow Herbarium. I've never been there. Q Gardens, London,

1163
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: New York Botanical Garden, Chicago Herbarium, and the Honolu Bishop Museum.

1164
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: So we have a rare collection of all my collections

1165
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: in the jets in barbarium. Again, this is for scientists

1166
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: to look at for agents, and it's here.

1167
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: And I want to thank you for.

1168
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: Opening the doors because another governor just said, you know,

1169
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: go pound sand I'm not interested.

1170
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate it, and it was an honor to

1171
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: be However, a health I don't know how much help

1172
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: are you. I mean, this was on all of it,

1173
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: on the merits substantively, and everyone doing the right thing.

1174
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: But when they don't do the right thing, I call

1175
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: it out. I can't stand cancel culture. I love free speech.

1176
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 1: I can't stand when someone people I remember Bill Maher

1177
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: was going to Berkeley or something and they said Bill's

1178
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: too conservative, it was too controversial. I've never liked that

1179
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: called it out then will continue to. So I don't

1180
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: think anyone served in that respect, all these banning and

1181
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: cultural purges that people have been on. I don't believe

1182
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: in the mao cultural say No. I think a lot

1183
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: of people assign and attach those points of view to me.

1184
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: But let me ask you in closing, Oh are you

1185
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: putting me in the California Hall of Fame? You're gonna

1186
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: put me on this spot by the way you've made.

1187
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: You just made the most compelling case you possibly could

1188
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: have for the multi dimensionality. Here. There are people in

1189
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: that Hall of Fame that have done basically one simple thing,

1190
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: and here you are twenty nine books, best selling books

1191
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: across the spectrum of issues and ahead a novelist, I know.

1192
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: And you were banned from the UK. Oh yeah, and

1193
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: you know that what they called you? What propaganda hate

1194
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: or what was the exact phrase?

1195
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 2: I mean, the only hell American author banned in Britain. Yeah,

1196
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 2: for things I didn't even say. It was a terrible,

1197
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: terrible thing to do to me. And I woke up

1198
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: that morning I saw it on the Drudge Report at

1199
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: the time, and I said, oh my god, I'm banned

1200
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: in England. So I went in the radio show and

1201
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: I said, God, there goes the great cuisine that they're

1202
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 2: known for in my dental care that I was looking

1203
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 2: forward to of that line. But I think it's a

1204
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: terrible thing to do to me, because first of all,

1205
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: I didn't say the things they said I said. Secondly,

1206
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 2: I spent four hundred thousand dollars to try to get

1207
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: my name off the list, and I've not did not succeed.

1208
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: I gave up. I don't even care still on it. Yeah,

1209
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: I can't go to England to this day, I cannot

1210
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: enter England, the land of the Free and the land

1211
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: of the Magna Carter does not let Michael Savage in,

1212
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: but they let Jihadis run around screaming kill the Queen.

1213
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue with you, no, Stormer. I don't

1214
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: I think we have met. Have you met? Smer bring

1215
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: it up. We'll have to bring it up. Let me

1216
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: ask you, just get me off the list. Let me

1217
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: ask you this. Let me if you were going to list.

1218
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: Speaking of lists, you know, Democrats, if they're not trying

1219
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: to figure out what the hell just happened, they sure

1220
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: as hell should right. So I'm serious about this. I'm

1221
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not asking for sort of a flippant

1222
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: It's not a flipping question, and I hope certainly not patronizing,

1223
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: But what the hell do you think our party needs

1224
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: to do? And what what's the biggest lesson? Seriously, are

1225
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: you really sei Michael Savage to the Democrat advice to

1226
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party was it because we're too woke? Because

1227
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: we didn't focus on borders? I mean is it's what

1228
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: is really straightforward? It is borders, language and culture. And

1229
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: the thing that triggered most of the people who turned

1230
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: against the Democrat Party this was this incessant drum beat

1231
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: going back years vilifying the white male, white supremacy, white supremacy,

1232
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: white remember that that became a mantra of the Democrat Party.

1233
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: They took all the working class white guys and said,

1234
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: what the fuck you basically pardon me, what are you doing?

1235
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: Man?

1236
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: We work, we are also citizens. Why are you turning

1237
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: us into Hitler's because you know so, that's what was

1238
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: one thing. Then the illegals getting free care, and then

1239
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: the illegals voting in some municipal elections. Those, but the

1240
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: big thing was the women. When you had people with

1241
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 2: the right or whatever you want to know.

1242
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: The whole trans issue triggered the women who were normally liberal.

1243
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: But when you have kids being brainwashed in school to

1244
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: accept that stuff in little in kindergarten, Hey, I'm a

1245
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: sexual libertarian. I want to be very clear. Okay, I

1246
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: really don't care what people do to make themselves happy. Okay,

1247
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: this is not my business. Life is very hard. If

1248
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: you can be happy with someone, God bless you, but

1249
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: leave the kids alone. That's the whole point. And when

1250
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: you start crossing that line into the schools, you're going

1251
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: to see what happened. That's what just happened. It was

1252
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: the women and the schools. I think, Gavin interesting, So

1253
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean the trans issue. You thought that, I mean

1254
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: that it was a children issue. It wasn't a trans

1255
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: No one was against. So it was a gener assignment

1256
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: surgeries for these miners. Yes, where Yeah, I felt that

1257
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: our party was complicit in terms of creating those conditions.

1258
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't think so promoting it to some degree, you

1259
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: would argue, I wouldn't even go there. I would say

1260
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: that the people had had enough. There were so many

1261
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 2: more important issues God, faith in reason. I mean, there's

1262
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: a spirit we didn't even get let's do another podcast.

1263
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: In a month. I know, talk about God and which

1264
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: is a big part of your life. Faith? People don't

1265
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: know that big part. I pray every day and have

1266
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: for decades. You have, and you are, You're by the way,

1267
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: And then we're going to close on this. You are

1268
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: ascending to a unique status. Shocking, isn't it? Well, no,

1269
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: tell us about it.

1270
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 2: The president of a local Jewish community. Yeah, and from

1271
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: a very orthodox group of Jewish people. The guys that

1272
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: wear black, the black hat people, they like me, and

1273
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: I say to them, I'm not that religious. Why do

1274
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: you want me to become reaching out to the community.

1275
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: They said, you're more religious than us in some ways.

1276
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: They watch my podcasts and they don't watch the media.

1277
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: They know that there's a spiritual element to Michael that's palpable,

1278
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: that emanates, and.

1279
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: They like it.

1280
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: It's that simple. But does that mean I'm holier than anyone?

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Speaker 2: I am such a fallen angel, Gavin.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good to be with another fallen angel. Still

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Speaker 1: on that one. It's great to have you, Michael Savage.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here with