WEBVTT - Stormzy 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:23.076 Pushkin. Grime has a rap subgenre first started to bubble 0:00:23.156 --> 0:00:26.276 up in London in the early OTS. Artists like Wiley 0:00:26.436 --> 0:00:30.036 and Dizzy Rascal developed an entirely new way of rhyming 0:00:30.156 --> 0:00:34.316 over lightning fast beats. The style was inspired by sounds 0:00:34.356 --> 0:00:37.516 popular in the UK in the nineties like garage, techno 0:00:37.636 --> 0:00:41.716 and jungle. Today's guest Storms is at the forefront of 0:00:41.796 --> 0:00:45.676 grime's newest generation. He rose to prominence in twenty fifteen 0:00:45.876 --> 0:00:49.196 after uploading a mixtape like video to YouTube where he 0:00:49.276 --> 0:00:53.476 was free signed over classic grime tracks. Since then, Storms 0:00:53.676 --> 0:00:56.516 has released two number one albums in the UK, won 0:00:56.636 --> 0:00:59.756 three brit Awards, and become the first British rapper to 0:00:59.796 --> 0:01:04.196 headlined the Glastonbury Festival. Just before releasing his third album, 0:01:04.196 --> 0:01:06.356 This Is What I Mean, Storms, he met up with 0:01:06.436 --> 0:01:08.836 Rick Ruben in London for a cover story from ID 0:01:08.956 --> 0:01:13.236 Magazine's Royalty issue. This is the recording of that conversation. 0:01:13.916 --> 0:01:16.596 On today's episode We'll Hear Storms, he played Rick songs 0:01:16.636 --> 0:01:19.236 from his new album and explain why he decided to 0:01:19.276 --> 0:01:22.836 consider his audience last when recording it, and Storms he 0:01:22.916 --> 0:01:26.476 talks about how a painful breakup and trusting God helps 0:01:26.556 --> 0:01:32.756 lead him to a new melodic, soulful sound. This is 0:01:32.836 --> 0:01:36.236 broken record liner notes for the Digital Age. I'm justin 0:01:36.276 --> 0:01:41.316 Mitchell from London. Here's Rick Rubin with storms. Since we 0:01:41.396 --> 0:01:44.556 spoke last, Yeah, you're just starting. I think when we spoke, 0:01:44.596 --> 0:01:46.076 I don't even know if there were any there was 0:01:46.116 --> 0:01:49.356 anything you were ready to dive in. It was the 0:01:49.396 --> 0:01:52.396 day before the first session, the first session that was booked, 0:01:52.556 --> 0:01:55.156 as in, Okay, I'm going to start my album, and 0:01:55.276 --> 0:01:58.276 we spoke and it's it's crazy because when we spoke, 0:01:59.156 --> 0:02:02.796 it's like you just reiterated on what I already knew. 0:02:02.796 --> 0:02:05.596 But you know, I knew what to do, yes, when 0:02:05.596 --> 0:02:07.196 I I was focused on it, but to hear you 0:02:07.236 --> 0:02:09.916 say it was like, okay, yeah, this is definitely what 0:02:09.916 --> 0:02:10.996 I've gotta do to you know what I mean. So, 0:02:11.476 --> 0:02:15.276 and the process has been literally everything you said, and 0:02:15.356 --> 0:02:19.156 I just embody that in every in every way, every shape, 0:02:19.196 --> 0:02:22.356 every form, in every intricate detail of the process, like 0:02:22.916 --> 0:02:26.476 it was just considering the audience last and not even 0:02:26.916 --> 0:02:28.916 Yeah it's funny to say, right, yeah, it's funny to 0:02:28.956 --> 0:02:31.236 say it, but it's true. It's in service to the 0:02:31.276 --> 0:02:34.596 audience exactly that you can't think about them. Literally, I 0:02:34.596 --> 0:02:37.356 feel like there's also this false sense of how re called. 0:02:37.436 --> 0:02:40.196 It's like a false bravery, and it's like a false 0:02:40.276 --> 0:02:44.276 freedom when it's like, I'm not considering you, audience, so 0:02:44.356 --> 0:02:46.596 I'm gonna do all this stuff to show you that, 0:02:46.716 --> 0:02:48.716 And that's not freedom, do you know what I mean? 0:02:48.796 --> 0:02:50.596 And I was like, no, what I'm gonna do is 0:02:51.076 --> 0:02:53.196 I'm not going to consider the audience in the most 0:02:53.836 --> 0:02:56.276 pure way possible as And it's not like it's not like, hey, 0:02:56.316 --> 0:02:58.956 I'm gonna defy what everyone thinks about me. It's like, 0:02:59.316 --> 0:03:01.636 I'm just gonna be so true to myself that I 0:03:01.636 --> 0:03:05.076 can't consider the audience. And any decision I make about 0:03:05.116 --> 0:03:07.396 this art that I'm making, just make it true to you. 0:03:08.036 --> 0:03:10.676 And most of the time what people want is what's 0:03:10.676 --> 0:03:13.476 true to you. And if you try second guessing yourself 0:03:13.516 --> 0:03:16.716 to please someone else, it's never real, you know, it's 0:03:16.796 --> 0:03:19.876 never It's not the best it can be. The best 0:03:19.876 --> 0:03:21.436 it can be is the thing that you love more 0:03:21.476 --> 0:03:23.996 than anything exactly, and people like it or not, and 0:03:23.996 --> 0:03:26.676 it's okay, that's fine, but it's real, you know, it's 0:03:26.916 --> 0:03:29.676 it's real, it's who you are, and it's the best 0:03:29.716 --> 0:03:34.076 of yourself and that dictates who your audience is because 0:03:34.476 --> 0:03:36.636 forever you want to be able to make the music 0:03:36.676 --> 0:03:39.516 that you want to because otherwise you're always like, oh, 0:03:39.516 --> 0:03:41.276 what are they gonna like next? What am I? And 0:03:41.316 --> 0:03:45.036 you start chasing trends and it's and I've always said 0:03:45.076 --> 0:03:48.356 that is like, for me, that's the most impossible task 0:03:48.436 --> 0:03:50.916 you see, to kind of try and figure out what 0:03:50.956 --> 0:03:54.676 people would like isla, especially in the way music moves 0:03:54.716 --> 0:03:57.196 and trends are slack. The idea of being caught in 0:03:57.236 --> 0:03:59.636 a race in terms of our gho studo and I'm 0:03:59.636 --> 0:04:02.916 in there like yo, we gotta make sa that is 0:04:03.036 --> 0:04:04.916 my worst nightmare. And I've always said if I ever 0:04:04.956 --> 0:04:08.156 get in that space, I will never do this again, 0:04:08.196 --> 0:04:11.236 because that's like that feel was that for me, that 0:04:11.276 --> 0:04:13.876 feels that probably the worst place to be as a creative, 0:04:13.916 --> 0:04:17.996 where I'm trying to make something to please people who 0:04:18.076 --> 0:04:21.196 don't even know. I always say the audience doesn't even 0:04:21.196 --> 0:04:23.636 know what they like, even me as me as a 0:04:23.716 --> 0:04:26.236 music listener, I never know what I like until I 0:04:26.276 --> 0:04:27.476 hear it and it connects with me, do you know 0:04:27.516 --> 0:04:29.076 what I mean? So I always want to just be 0:04:29.156 --> 0:04:31.876 on this side of defense. Where I'm doing everything for 0:04:31.956 --> 0:04:35.036 myself and it's been a very selfish process as well, 0:04:35.276 --> 0:04:37.636 you know what I mean. So I feel like every decision. 0:04:37.636 --> 0:04:40.596 It's funny because I feel like we had this like 0:04:40.996 --> 0:04:45.316 essence and culture making the album, and then towards the 0:04:45.476 --> 0:04:47.716 end of it, well, I got this white board and 0:04:47.716 --> 0:04:49.356 I started writing loads of quotes, and one of the 0:04:49.436 --> 0:04:52.276 quotes was a quote that is at the beginning of 0:04:52.316 --> 0:04:55.916 your book, it's about being in the in the form 0:04:55.996 --> 0:04:58.796 that allows art to be inevitable. And that was one 0:04:58.836 --> 0:05:01.076 of the quotes that was on the board and that 0:05:01.196 --> 0:05:02.756 we was getting to the towards the end of the 0:05:02.756 --> 0:05:06.636 album process, and we've been We've been super pure in 0:05:06.756 --> 0:05:08.716 every decision. And then you know when it comes to 0:05:08.756 --> 0:05:12.796 finish and like just a functionality that comes with finishing 0:05:12.836 --> 0:05:15.916 a record, and you know the facilitating that comes with 0:05:15.996 --> 0:05:20.716 finishing a record. And then there's the intro fire and 0:05:20.756 --> 0:05:23.476 Water that is it's about eight minutes long, and there 0:05:23.596 --> 0:05:25.876 was there was discussions about like how we do this 0:05:25.956 --> 0:05:28.636 and how we do that, and I just said, we 0:05:28.756 --> 0:05:30.756 just got a stick to what we started with, as 0:05:30.796 --> 0:05:32.916 in what how do we feel? How do you like 0:05:32.996 --> 0:05:34.916 as and this is all about us. This isn't about 0:05:35.636 --> 0:05:37.676 anyone else. How do how do we feel? Does this 0:05:37.716 --> 0:05:39.916 make us feel good? Do we want that guitar stream 0:05:39.956 --> 0:05:41.676 to just keep going? Do we want that drum to 0:05:41.716 --> 0:05:43.636 just keep going? Do you want it to stop here? 0:05:43.636 --> 0:05:45.756 Because it doesn't feel good anymore? And it was just 0:05:45.836 --> 0:05:48.036 so selfish, but in the most beautiful way. Like and 0:05:48.636 --> 0:05:50.676 I've always said, I have to love my art more 0:05:50.716 --> 0:05:52.876 than anyone. I have to love what I make more 0:05:52.916 --> 0:05:56.196 than more than anyone. It should be my pressures, it 0:05:56.236 --> 0:05:59.236 should be my pride and my job before the world 0:05:59.796 --> 0:06:02.996 even cares about it, because, as you said, it's not 0:06:03.036 --> 0:06:05.876 about whether people like it, which is which is even 0:06:06.676 --> 0:06:09.476 that's wild, it's a wild place to get to. It's 0:06:09.476 --> 0:06:12.236 a wild idea, yeah, but it's the job. The job 0:06:12.236 --> 0:06:16.796 of the artist is to say this is me, this 0:06:16.876 --> 0:06:21.316 is my work, and you know, hopefully you like it. Yeah, 0:06:21.356 --> 0:06:24.756 but either way it has to be mine. Otherwise what 0:06:24.956 --> 0:06:27.636 is it? You know, what else is it? What is it? Yeah? 0:06:27.676 --> 0:06:30.516 But yeah, it was, it's been it's been amazing. And yeah, 0:06:30.556 --> 0:06:33.796 I think keeping that same ethos and a big one 0:06:33.836 --> 0:06:35.956 for me as well as having got in the room. Yes, 0:06:36.076 --> 0:06:40.956 like every time we went to make music and even 0:06:41.156 --> 0:06:43.716 just in my life as well, Like I feel like 0:06:43.796 --> 0:06:47.516 I'm at a stage now where I overstand that what 0:06:47.556 --> 0:06:50.316 we do, it's like I do not take it for 0:06:50.396 --> 0:06:52.676 granted to all this day. I always say, like if 0:06:52.676 --> 0:06:54.156 I'm if, I'm if, I wouldn't have made a song 0:06:54.196 --> 0:06:56.196 now and it was good. I get back in my 0:06:56.236 --> 0:06:58.756 car and I can't believe. I can't believe it. I'll 0:06:58.796 --> 0:07:00.676 play it and I can't believe, Like, Yo, this was 0:07:00.756 --> 0:07:04.676 because I overstand that this what we do is and 0:07:04.716 --> 0:07:06.596 it sounds sometimes it can sound like this kind of 0:07:06.676 --> 0:07:09.916 lack fairytale come by our kind of slap No, Like no, 0:07:10.036 --> 0:07:13.076 it's real. It's it's real. Like I always say, as artists, 0:07:13.076 --> 0:07:15.236 a creatives, we we just walk in the studio and 0:07:15.276 --> 0:07:18.756 just hope to God that some some cool stuff comes 0:07:18.756 --> 0:07:20.756 out of Like whatever we play, whatever we sing, whatever 0:07:20.796 --> 0:07:23.036 we wrap, we just hope to God that you do 0:07:23.036 --> 0:07:24.876 you know what I mean, Like it's not a muscle. 0:07:24.916 --> 0:07:27.076 We can, of course, we can practice, and we can, 0:07:27.356 --> 0:07:30.156 but when it's really good, yeah, it's bigger than us 0:07:30.196 --> 0:07:33.316 exactly exactly one hundred percent. And that's what I've overstood 0:07:33.356 --> 0:07:36.356 with this process. So go in the studio, and we pray. 0:07:36.676 --> 0:07:38.436 We asked God to be in the room, Holy Spirit 0:07:38.436 --> 0:07:42.596 guide us and just wherever comes out like, and it 0:07:42.996 --> 0:07:45.876 takes a lot of the pressure of myself and the 0:07:46.076 --> 0:07:48.756 artists in the room because it's like, it's not even us, 0:07:49.316 --> 0:07:51.796 it's not even us this let this let God guide it. So, yes, 0:07:52.276 --> 0:07:55.716 you're the vehicle to allow it to happen, hundred percent. Yeah, 0:07:55.796 --> 0:07:58.476 And it's powerful. It's been very powerful. Yeah, it really is. 0:07:58.636 --> 0:08:01.596 Let's listen. I'm so yeah, yeah, please, um. I think 0:08:01.796 --> 0:08:04.516 I always start with just the intro. Yeah, and even 0:08:04.716 --> 0:08:08.156 let's listen in order. Let's listen. And I was just 0:08:08.196 --> 0:08:10.596 a little just a little context with because I think 0:08:10.636 --> 0:08:13.996 this is one of the truest testaments to that the 0:08:14.036 --> 0:08:16.396 whole culture around the album and how we made it 0:08:16.476 --> 0:08:20.476 is that we made this song. And for a long 0:08:20.516 --> 0:08:22.396 time I was writing it on the whiteboard. It was 0:08:22.436 --> 0:08:25.236 always the first thing I wrote. And then a Progression Castle, 0:08:25.316 --> 0:08:29.916 who's phenomenal and he executively produced the album as well, 0:08:30.716 --> 0:08:32.516 and my cousin as well, my cousin Germaine, who's my 0:08:32.516 --> 0:08:35.476 creative partner. Everyone thought it was the intro, but at 0:08:35.516 --> 0:08:38.956 first I was like, oh, this song's like very soulful 0:08:39.036 --> 0:08:42.316 and melodic and vulnerable and very beautiful, and I was like, 0:08:43.116 --> 0:08:44.796 I don't know if it's the intro, and then I 0:08:44.876 --> 0:08:47.996 thought to myself, why wouldn't it be the intro. Also, 0:08:48.116 --> 0:08:50.956 it's about it's about my ex girlfriend, which at the 0:08:51.036 --> 0:08:53.636 time I made it, she was the most pressing matter 0:08:53.716 --> 0:08:55.116 on my heart. So I feel like that's why it 0:08:55.156 --> 0:08:57.436 was the first song I made, because as soon as 0:08:57.436 --> 0:08:59.956 I've gone to touch the mac, that's like the first 0:08:59.956 --> 0:09:02.596 thing that's come out of me. And it goes back 0:09:02.596 --> 0:09:04.756 to that thing in terms of considering the audience last, 0:09:04.796 --> 0:09:07.836 because what I felt that I was doing is that 0:09:07.956 --> 0:09:10.676 once upon a time, when I made album, because I'm 0:09:10.716 --> 0:09:13.916 a rapper, that first tune, I have to you know 0:09:13.916 --> 0:09:15.356 what I mean? I got a rap and I got 0:09:15.396 --> 0:09:17.756 the expectations to expectation, do you know what I mean? 0:09:17.796 --> 0:09:19.916 And that's the kind of thing like as in that 0:09:19.956 --> 0:09:22.356 doesn't come from a place of art, that comes from 0:09:22.356 --> 0:09:25.676 a place of maybe ego, like as when I'm starting 0:09:25.676 --> 0:09:29.316 this conversation, starting this album and I'm gonna show you 0:09:29.356 --> 0:09:31.756 that I can still and I was like, this album, 0:09:31.836 --> 0:09:33.276 I had to kill my ego, do you know what 0:09:33.276 --> 0:09:36.196 I mean? I had to kill my ego and just 0:09:36.676 --> 0:09:39.636 let my truth speak for itself. So this is why 0:09:39.716 --> 0:09:41.276 it's the first song on the album, because it was 0:09:41.316 --> 0:09:43.396 the first song we made and it was definitely at 0:09:43.436 --> 0:10:07.996 the most present. My answer, it's probably beast for you. 0:10:09.276 --> 0:10:14.236 It's probably best fed file fire from this prophet match too. 0:10:14.756 --> 0:10:21.316 Bind I still the ground, and even though it's called outside, 0:10:26.876 --> 0:10:30.956 it's probably best feed prey to lead us from this drop. 0:10:31.996 --> 0:10:35.516 If your love is my holy war to God, just 0:10:35.676 --> 0:10:41.076 let me drowned. And even if you don't, it's fine. 0:10:46.236 --> 0:10:48.276 I guess you're gonna be figured out. We've got that 0:10:48.436 --> 0:10:50.596 Champagne love. Don't let it fist it out. I know 0:10:50.716 --> 0:10:52.636 I bought a water pain you could have did without 0:10:52.636 --> 0:10:54.476 a few us't never wanted me. Then I'll probably get 0:10:54.476 --> 0:10:56.836 a bigger house. I was standing by the war. Do 0:10:56.916 --> 0:11:00.196 we tripple drown running around the circle, just a ward 0:11:00.836 --> 0:11:03.676 listening to lessons. That's a lesson taught. Second guess is 0:11:03.716 --> 0:11:07.116 really got you having second force? Second force never hurt nobody. 0:11:07.196 --> 0:11:10.796 Everybody has them. If you all get Bayway spurs. And 0:11:10.796 --> 0:11:13.076 I think I missed the touch even more than me imagined. 0:11:13.116 --> 0:11:15.236 If I saw you right now, I wonder what would 0:11:15.276 --> 0:11:18.076 happen Orange Gewagon, you can park up on the travel 0:11:18.396 --> 0:11:20.036 I was meant to be there when you're starting up 0:11:20.036 --> 0:11:22.636 your left you made your people proud, or starting all 0:11:22.676 --> 0:11:24.956 that eyes we draw apartment in the skies. I scared 0:11:25.236 --> 0:11:27.796 my livest cameras and I said, I hope it doubles 0:11:27.796 --> 0:11:29.836 back on you when I double back. I never double 0:11:29.916 --> 0:11:31.796 back to rout you. I hate to see you leave, 0:11:31.876 --> 0:11:33.396 but I'd love to see the back of you. I'll 0:11:33.436 --> 0:11:35.116 take you out to eat and after that I make 0:11:35.116 --> 0:11:36.996 a snack of you. I never put my hand on you. 0:11:37.036 --> 0:11:38.876 It still the biggest fun of you. But for me 0:11:38.916 --> 0:11:41.436 that color greens and round the beans and Kellorlo. Every 0:11:41.476 --> 0:11:43.476 single day I close mans and try and channel you, 0:11:43.716 --> 0:11:45.356 try from memory lane and then I see you by 0:11:45.476 --> 0:11:50.196 the Ovenue. But it's probably best for you, probably best 0:11:50.236 --> 0:11:54.996 for you. Far fire from this perfect match too. Burn 0:11:55.076 --> 0:12:01.396 I stood her ground. And even though it's called outside, 0:12:03.556 --> 0:12:06.436 thank you, that's beautiful, Thank you very much, thank you 0:12:06.676 --> 0:12:11.076 sound very free. Yeah that's what. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Yeah. 0:12:11.236 --> 0:12:13.436 They love it. Yeah, that's yeah, that's how I feel 0:12:13.476 --> 0:12:16.196 as well. I love it. And it's completely unexpected at all. 0:12:16.236 --> 0:12:21.716 What I was expecting to hear to start with oh, wicked, perfect, perfect, beautiful, 0:12:21.716 --> 0:12:24.276 thank you. So it's like three songs and one really yeah, 0:12:24.356 --> 0:12:27.716 And it was it was always just one song and 0:12:27.716 --> 0:12:30.516 then yes, and it was another song that got made 0:12:30.516 --> 0:12:33.916 and then and even then that put into two songs together. 0:12:34.876 --> 0:12:38.276 At first, like it was what I was saying, you 0:12:38.316 --> 0:12:41.396 know that sometimes people with art you want to be 0:12:41.436 --> 0:12:44.876 purposely defiant or purposely and like put and I was like, 0:12:44.916 --> 0:12:46.516 if it doesn't feel good, we're not going to do it. 0:12:46.516 --> 0:12:49.036 It's not about that. But then it felt so good 0:12:49.076 --> 0:12:50.876 and it felt right, and like I was on tour 0:12:50.916 --> 0:12:52.956 and I was listening to both the songs separately, and 0:12:52.996 --> 0:12:56.556 I was like, no, this tells a story. This like this, 0:12:56.916 --> 0:12:59.156 it feels like it's a yeah, it's a continuation of 0:12:59.236 --> 0:13:02.516 the story. It's beautiful, thank you, And tell me how 0:13:02.516 --> 0:13:04.516 it happened, Like what was the first thing to happen? 0:13:04.956 --> 0:13:07.716 Was there a track first or was there a vocal idea? No, 0:13:07.836 --> 0:13:10.076 So the first thing was it was the first day 0:13:10.116 --> 0:13:13.396 in studio with me and Progression, and he just played 0:13:13.436 --> 0:13:16.156 that chord. He played that, He just played the chord 0:13:16.196 --> 0:13:18.436 the way it opens, Yeah, the way open. And then 0:13:18.476 --> 0:13:21.676 I just grabbed you know, if I could play something 0:13:21.796 --> 0:13:27.116 please the first time? He sang, yeah, the first time. Yeah. 0:13:27.116 --> 0:13:28.716 And this is this is my posts a lot of 0:13:28.756 --> 0:13:31.036 the time as well, where I just grabbed the marc 0:13:31.116 --> 0:13:34.196 and whatever feels whatever comes out of me and feels good. 0:13:34.196 --> 0:13:59.276 I just just always trying to go with that. It's 0:13:59.316 --> 0:14:05.036 probably best for it's probably best free file fired from 0:14:05.076 --> 0:14:11.596 this perfect match too. Burner stood the ground, and even 0:14:11.636 --> 0:14:20.636 though it's called outside incredible, it's probably be speed prey 0:14:21.676 --> 0:14:25.196 to lead us from this drone. If your love is 0:14:25.276 --> 0:14:31.196 my holy or talk God, just let me drowned. And 0:14:31.356 --> 0:14:41.916 even if you don't, in fine paster, don't let me go. 0:14:43.676 --> 0:15:01.476 What a about the up these days? The kids are 0:15:01.596 --> 0:15:07.236 that falls, maybe we're off sick. What do I thought? 0:15:18.516 --> 0:15:20.836 I guess I'll go a bit of balls and everybody 0:15:20.916 --> 0:15:22.996 in my head of year, my wizard boughs and I 0:15:23.076 --> 0:15:24.876 feel it in my daddy year my did with Bess 0:15:24.876 --> 0:15:26.716 Afewers give you, I mean, then I guess I'll get 0:15:26.716 --> 0:15:29.556 a bigger house anybody. And my buddy this is trip 0:15:29.596 --> 0:15:32.556 it down pretty and my Putty and my Beckham boys, 0:15:32.916 --> 0:15:35.556 I Betty your b daddy, you ain't taking talk second 0:15:35.596 --> 0:15:38.476 guessing is really good. You're having second fours. Second fours 0:15:38.556 --> 0:15:42.076 never heard nobody, everybody has him. Give you orgasms, baby, 0:15:42.076 --> 0:15:44.836 where you're spezing? My best sirs. Then I turned into 0:15:44.876 --> 0:15:47.236 a dragon, but he am a pretty but they bitty 0:15:47.236 --> 0:15:49.636 bit of Breggan there you ever more than your poker 0:15:49.716 --> 0:15:51.956 on the drive ready and my buddy in the star 0:15:52.196 --> 0:15:55.356 to bass Buddy and Mydiddi and Madavid and my dads 0:15:55.556 --> 0:15:57.876 brought him in the pass, brought him in the dass, 0:15:58.036 --> 0:16:01.036 the cameras and NASA never back on you, buddy and 0:16:01.116 --> 0:16:03.676 my daddy and made yam DACKI had a bit of 0:16:03.716 --> 0:16:05.236 Betty and I hate to see the back of you. 0:16:05.556 --> 0:16:07.676 Why and the Betty every time I'm make a snaky 0:16:08.036 --> 0:16:11.756 wherever I am at. Good for me? That better bees, 0:16:11.756 --> 0:16:14.396 amount of mus and Kelly whatever, the better beers and 0:16:14.436 --> 0:16:17.196 bears and better better bees or friendship on one of 0:16:17.196 --> 0:16:24.076 them are funny. It's so much of it is there? 0:16:24.156 --> 0:16:27.276 Yeah already yea automatic, It just happened. Yeah, And that 0:16:27.356 --> 0:16:30.236 was the first ever session be done. Casta just played 0:16:30.276 --> 0:16:33.316 that chord. I grabbed the mic and that's what came out. 0:16:33.356 --> 0:16:36.716 And at the time it felt like it needed work 0:16:36.756 --> 0:16:38.756 and it needed to go here, and it just went 0:16:38.756 --> 0:16:40.876 back to what we said is and that's the feeling. 0:16:40.956 --> 0:16:43.556 That's how we like you feel. Yeah, we got and 0:16:44.196 --> 0:16:46.116 a lot of the words even in the even in 0:16:46.156 --> 0:16:49.316 the verses, a lot of the words of the words. Yeah, 0:16:49.796 --> 0:16:52.516 it's incredible. Yeah, God was in the room. Definitely, Yeah 0:16:52.596 --> 0:16:54.556 it is. You can hear you can hear it, because 0:16:54.556 --> 0:16:58.116 it's like, it doesn't make sense that all this information 0:16:58.276 --> 0:17:01.156 all of a sudden gets downloaded. You know what I'm like, exactly, 0:17:01.396 --> 0:17:06.756 It's a lot of information. Doesn't just happen. Yeah it was. Yeah, 0:17:06.836 --> 0:17:09.196 it was amazing. But that was the first song and 0:17:09.516 --> 0:17:11.636 we don't we never take it for granted, but it's 0:17:11.636 --> 0:17:15.356 amazing that when it happens enough, you come to realize 0:17:16.076 --> 0:17:18.876 if we live in the world a certain way, it happened, 0:17:18.876 --> 0:17:21.316 like I do you know what I mean. It's on 0:17:21.356 --> 0:17:23.716 the one hand, it's crazy and on the other hand, 0:17:23.716 --> 0:17:26.676 happens all the time. It happens all the time. Yeah, amazing, 0:17:26.796 --> 0:17:31.596 But the feeling never gets old. It's so exciting because 0:17:31.876 --> 0:17:34.636 we go in like wonder what's going to happen? You 0:17:34.716 --> 0:17:37.156 never know, you never know, and it's not always good. 0:17:37.396 --> 0:17:41.276 It can't be definitely. It can't always be, but when 0:17:41.276 --> 0:17:43.996 it is, it's like, wow, can you believe it? What 0:17:44.116 --> 0:17:47.916 a great feeling and that feeling of yes, not us, 0:17:47.916 --> 0:17:53.516 like it's coming through. But yeah, that was. It was amazing, beautiful, 0:17:53.596 --> 0:17:55.956 What a beautiful song. Thank you very much. Beautiful song. 0:17:56.076 --> 0:17:58.236 I love that it starts with piano. I love that 0:17:58.436 --> 0:18:02.156 all the verses there's no drums for any of the verses, 0:18:02.196 --> 0:18:05.956 which also when there is no drums, you listen to 0:18:06.236 --> 0:18:08.916 verses in a different way, do you know what I'm saying. Like, 0:18:08.916 --> 0:18:12.596 when you're listening to a beat with versus, a part 0:18:12.596 --> 0:18:17.236 of the listener is absorbed in the beat, and we're 0:18:17.276 --> 0:18:20.196 like looking at how the words relate to the beat. 0:18:21.636 --> 0:18:24.356 So we're maybe more into the phrasing when it's with 0:18:24.436 --> 0:18:28.356 a beat, But when there's no beat, it's it's the words. 0:18:28.596 --> 0:18:33.476 It's only the worst, so you hear them more and 0:18:33.556 --> 0:18:37.436 they mean more. So I love that that decision. And 0:18:37.436 --> 0:18:40.236 then when the beat comes in, the course becomes like 0:18:40.276 --> 0:18:43.396 a chant and that works great. And then when the 0:18:43.436 --> 0:18:45.636 percussion section at the end comes out, it feels almost 0:18:45.636 --> 0:18:48.316 like a bridge or outro or whatever, but it feels 0:18:48.356 --> 0:18:51.356 like just the story is continuing and in an unexpected 0:18:51.396 --> 0:18:55.196 way as well, because it seems like a traditional song 0:18:55.316 --> 0:18:58.276 might have ended, but this and we're lucky enough that 0:18:58.316 --> 0:19:03.076 it keeps exactly it's beautiful, really good, really good. And 0:19:03.116 --> 0:19:07.156 also another thing interesting is the delivery of the vocals 0:19:07.156 --> 0:19:12.356 feels very acts. It doesn't sound like a performance. It 0:19:12.516 --> 0:19:17.996 sounds like we're hearing your inner thoughts. And there's nothing 0:19:18.076 --> 0:19:21.836 more profound or powerful than you know, like being close 0:19:21.956 --> 0:19:24.476 enough to hear almost like what someone's thinking. Yeah, and 0:19:24.556 --> 0:19:26.996 that's what it feels like. It doesn't feel like listen 0:19:27.036 --> 0:19:29.116 to the rhyme, you know, listen, listen how God I 0:19:29.196 --> 0:19:31.676 rhy It doesn't sound like that. It's funny you say that. 0:19:31.756 --> 0:19:33.396 What I had to do with this song in particular 0:19:33.516 --> 0:19:37.996 was because it was it's it's it's about someone, and 0:19:37.996 --> 0:19:41.236 it's a real situation. And it's like sometimes in rap 0:19:41.756 --> 0:19:44.396 somet there's a way if I've made a mistake, there's 0:19:44.396 --> 0:19:46.596 a way I can say sorry, or there's a way 0:19:46.596 --> 0:19:48.756 I can say I love you, and I can lack that. 0:19:48.996 --> 0:19:51.076 I can be cool about it and I can say 0:19:51.076 --> 0:19:53.396 it and a stylistic but I was like, for the 0:19:53.436 --> 0:19:56.156 reality of this situation, like I had to I had 0:19:56.196 --> 0:19:59.116 to kill wherever style or ego lived there and like 0:19:59.356 --> 0:20:03.716 and really be yeah, and really deliver it and write 0:20:03.716 --> 0:20:07.316 it in a way that lack. It's almost besides the listener. 0:20:07.476 --> 0:20:11.316 It's besides it's it's directly from myself to it's like 0:20:11.356 --> 0:20:16.396 a diarrhetic. It feels very, very personal and again not 0:20:16.516 --> 0:20:19.916 necessarily expected. Yeah, you know that's that's always a great 0:20:20.236 --> 0:20:23.236 I love it, beautiful, Thank you. We're gonna take a 0:20:23.316 --> 0:20:25.276 quick break here and then we'll be back with more 0:20:25.356 --> 0:20:32.516 from Rick Ruben and Storms. Before we jump back into 0:20:32.596 --> 0:20:36.156 Rick Ruben's conversation with Storms, here's the title track off 0:20:36.156 --> 0:21:23.836 his new album, This is what I mean. It's a 0:21:23.876 --> 0:21:28.756 bigger reparation. What's the old the speculation. I had to 0:21:28.796 --> 0:21:31.596 close the store for renovations, my cousin said, Storms. I 0:21:31.756 --> 0:21:35.076 never running out of patience, you know, time to make 0:21:35.076 --> 0:21:38.756 a statement, time to free my mind and limitations. But 0:21:38.916 --> 0:21:41.356 that's the majors, that's my form of reparations. They said, 0:21:41.396 --> 0:21:44.676 you can't slide your treasure to the nation. But what 0:21:44.756 --> 0:21:47.836 they're gonna do, what they're gonna say. Storms got that 0:21:47.876 --> 0:21:50.956 source to that Buller Nash talking about the bread like 0:21:50.996 --> 0:21:54.076 it correlates. I see you looking bothered with your buller 0:21:54.196 --> 0:21:57.996 face even though we're coming from a coming place. Well, 0:21:58.076 --> 0:22:00.396 I see it. Stars let me in the red. So 0:22:00.476 --> 0:22:02.476 give hi him to grow and just give him space 0:22:02.956 --> 0:22:06.716 and he could be a young black Jimmy Nicks. Oh, 0:22:06.756 --> 0:22:12.716 this is clean, this is clean. This is what I mean. 0:22:13.956 --> 0:22:17.196 I said, this is what I mean. All my niggas 0:22:17.196 --> 0:22:21.276 go it were unanimous, cut from different cluff and different calibers, 0:22:21.756 --> 0:22:25.076 skill it and it's my two my managers. She got me, calm, 0:22:25.116 --> 0:22:29.076 handsome man. I'm telling them what hanging off. The banisters 0:22:29.796 --> 0:22:32.916 told me Who's gonna pay for all the damages? I'm 0:22:32.956 --> 0:22:35.996 just reckless like the manims to conrector. You're gonna as 0:22:36.076 --> 0:22:38.676 you to your manazine. I said it from the kids. 0:22:38.676 --> 0:22:42.156 You shouldn't listen. I manifesting shit, and then it happened. 0:22:42.956 --> 0:22:44.836 I said that I'm gonna do it. Then it happens 0:22:46.076 --> 0:22:49.356 up on the minutes. Slapping I shot my brother gets 0:22:49.396 --> 0:22:52.196 us more than rapping. Shot my sister. Mo he do 0:22:52.356 --> 0:22:55.716 a fashion. Oh this word that I've been mush put 0:22:55.716 --> 0:22:58.276 your bray in the position where I'm put. I shouldn't 0:22:58.276 --> 0:23:00.596 have rap. They don't know about the times I'm led 0:23:00.836 --> 0:23:03.196 give a fuck out what the timeline said. After your 0:23:03.276 --> 0:23:06.556 Day streams in the second year shine lighted, I thank 0:23:06.596 --> 0:23:09.036 God for their life. I'm led they get the rave clean. 0:23:09.636 --> 0:23:12.276 I heard him saying, grahamy did I'm harry sis the 0:23:12.276 --> 0:23:15.556 way I found that tread. You got a mainstream mandual business, 0:23:15.556 --> 0:23:17.956 Well you min my bread with ten million one enough, 0:23:17.996 --> 0:23:26.436 I make a lifetime pledge a rap. Thank you beautiful, 0:23:26.916 --> 0:23:30.316 thank you, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's like a 0:23:31.196 --> 0:23:33.476