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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Grime has a rap subgenre first started to bubble

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Speaker 1: and jungle. Today's guest Storms is at the forefront of

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Speaker 1: grime's newest generation. He rose to prominence in twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: after uploading a mixtape like video to YouTube where he

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Speaker 1: was free signed over classic grime tracks. Since then, Storms

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Speaker 1: This Is What I Mean, Storms, he met up with

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Speaker 1: Magazine's Royalty issue. This is the recording of that conversation.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode We'll Hear Storms, he played Rick songs

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Speaker 1: talks about how a painful breakup and trusting God helps

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Speaker 1: broken record liner notes for the Digital Age. I'm justin

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Speaker 1: Mitchell from London. Here's Rick Rubin with storms. Since we

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Speaker 1: spoke last, Yeah, you're just starting. I think when we spoke,

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Speaker 1: and the process has been literally everything you said, and

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Speaker 1: feel like there's also this false sense of how re called.

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Speaker 1: And that's not freedom, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And most of the time what people want is what's

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Speaker 1: never It's not the best it can be. The best

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Speaker 1: as and this is all about us. This isn't about

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Speaker 1: but when it's really good, yeah, it's bigger than us

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't listen. I manifesting shit, and then it happened.

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Speaker 1: Day streams in the second year shine lighted, I thank

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Speaker 1: That happened. That happened in so many ways. That started

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Speaker 1: loved the most about is that when it's evolving, it's

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00:24:53,916 --> 00:24:56,636
Speaker 1: just off a feeling. It's not like, oh, let's do this,

424
00:24:56,716 --> 00:24:59,356
Speaker 1: because it's just like, Yo, what feels good. Oh let's

425
00:24:59,516 --> 00:25:01,276
Speaker 1: let's bring that person in, or oh let's do this,

426
00:25:01,396 --> 00:25:03,956
Speaker 1: or let's put strings here, just whatever feels good. And

427
00:25:03,956 --> 00:25:06,276
Speaker 1: I always say it needs to strike a chord within

428
00:25:06,356 --> 00:25:09,116
Speaker 1: my soul and my spirit that makes me say yeah,

429
00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:10,876
Speaker 1: and it has to excite me and make me feel

430
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:13,076
Speaker 1: good and yeah, And then we just add to the

431
00:25:13,116 --> 00:25:15,036
Speaker 1: palette that if it feels good to throw some red

432
00:25:15,076 --> 00:25:16,356
Speaker 1: on it, we throw red on it. If it feels

433
00:25:16,396 --> 00:25:19,476
Speaker 1: good to just blurt some Blue, we Blurst some Blue.

434
00:25:19,516 --> 00:25:23,596
Speaker 1: So I think that tunes a true testament to that process. Yeah, beautiful,

435
00:25:23,676 --> 00:25:26,556
Speaker 1: what's next? Thank you? The next song is this song

436
00:25:26,636 --> 00:25:29,516
Speaker 1: is called fire Babe. Tell me before we play it,

437
00:25:29,516 --> 00:25:32,436
Speaker 1: play me. Tell me about the tour? Where did you play?

438
00:25:32,596 --> 00:25:33,996
Speaker 1: I was went to do a world tour, but then

439
00:25:34,076 --> 00:25:36,796
Speaker 1: pandemic came so then that and The Only Man just

440
00:25:36,876 --> 00:25:40,076
Speaker 1: tore Europe in twenty and twenty and then this year

441
00:25:40,156 --> 00:25:45,756
Speaker 1: I toured. It was actually my last album, which came

442
00:25:45,756 --> 00:25:47,836
Speaker 1: out in twenty nineteen, and it was it was amazing.

443
00:25:47,836 --> 00:25:50,476
Speaker 1: It was across the UK, Yes, and it was really

444
00:25:50,556 --> 00:25:54,196
Speaker 1: like the most special tour I've done so far, especially

445
00:25:54,236 --> 00:25:56,996
Speaker 1: I think because I've not been on social media, like

446
00:25:57,516 --> 00:25:59,636
Speaker 1: it felt like the first time in a long time.

447
00:25:59,676 --> 00:26:02,196
Speaker 1: I was with my people, yes, yeah, and it felt

448
00:26:02,356 --> 00:26:04,516
Speaker 1: like I would come out and every night felt like

449
00:26:05,756 --> 00:26:07,476
Speaker 1: in a real genuine way. I don't want to sound

450
00:26:07,556 --> 00:26:09,436
Speaker 1: too cheese, but I felt out O think thank you

451
00:26:09,516 --> 00:26:11,956
Speaker 1: like for still yes, for still working with me and

452
00:26:11,956 --> 00:26:14,796
Speaker 1: still supporting me. So and it was beautiful and it

453
00:26:14,836 --> 00:26:16,956
Speaker 1: was nice because everyone I'd lived with the album for

454
00:26:17,316 --> 00:26:19,276
Speaker 1: two years now and I didn't want to tour it

455
00:26:19,316 --> 00:26:21,996
Speaker 1: I really like, I told my team I really didn't

456
00:26:21,996 --> 00:26:23,956
Speaker 1: want to do it, like, but everyone encouraged me to

457
00:26:23,996 --> 00:26:26,436
Speaker 1: do it, and then yeah, it was really good because

458
00:26:26,716 --> 00:26:29,276
Speaker 1: it reminded me as well that this art that we

459
00:26:29,316 --> 00:26:31,836
Speaker 1: do and the music we do lives. As much as

460
00:26:31,876 --> 00:26:35,036
Speaker 1: I feel like I live a life away from I

461
00:26:35,076 --> 00:26:38,036
Speaker 1: don't ever feel I do sometimes, of course, when I

462
00:26:38,036 --> 00:26:40,076
Speaker 1: walk the streets, so I gold places. But a lot

463
00:26:40,076 --> 00:26:42,476
Speaker 1: of the time the effect of your art, you don't

464
00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:44,916
Speaker 1: always feel it if you're just living life, especially the

465
00:26:44,916 --> 00:26:46,476
Speaker 1: whare I live life. I'm with my family and my

466
00:26:46,476 --> 00:26:48,636
Speaker 1: friends are to come out and it's like, oh, you

467
00:26:48,676 --> 00:26:50,756
Speaker 1: don't know this song, and oh you don't want it

468
00:26:50,836 --> 00:26:52,236
Speaker 1: hit you know what I mean. And this is the

469
00:26:52,236 --> 00:26:56,436
Speaker 1: first tour as well where I confidently performed all the

470
00:26:56,476 --> 00:26:59,156
Speaker 1: songs where I'm singing, all the songs that I'm more soulful,

471
00:26:59,676 --> 00:27:03,116
Speaker 1: all the songs that needed a band. Whereas before I

472
00:27:03,196 --> 00:27:05,636
Speaker 1: used to talk because my shows are known for high

473
00:27:05,756 --> 00:27:10,356
Speaker 1: energy Graham and whenever I used to like perform the

474
00:27:10,396 --> 00:27:13,356
Speaker 1: slower stuff and the more melodic stuff I did used

475
00:27:13,396 --> 00:27:15,156
Speaker 1: to feel a bit like I used to do this

476
00:27:15,156 --> 00:27:17,156
Speaker 1: thing where I would perform it and I would have

477
00:27:17,236 --> 00:27:18,676
Speaker 1: a little section of it, and then as soon as

478
00:27:18,716 --> 00:27:20,836
Speaker 1: it was done, I would say, ah, but you didn't

479
00:27:20,836 --> 00:27:23,356
Speaker 1: come in for this, Let's get back to it. And

480
00:27:23,436 --> 00:27:24,836
Speaker 1: this time I was like, no, I'm not doing that,

481
00:27:24,876 --> 00:27:27,076
Speaker 1: because that's that's not brave, you know what I mean,

482
00:27:27,116 --> 00:27:29,236
Speaker 1: That's not brave. Like I've made this music and I

483
00:27:29,476 --> 00:27:31,516
Speaker 1: loved this music, and I should stand by this music.

484
00:27:32,116 --> 00:27:34,556
Speaker 1: So we had this big band section in the middle

485
00:27:34,636 --> 00:27:35,996
Speaker 1: that was probably the big chunk of the soul, like

486
00:27:36,076 --> 00:27:39,236
Speaker 1: forty five minutes of just soulful, and I just felt

487
00:27:39,236 --> 00:27:41,676
Speaker 1: it and it just felt beautiful, and it was like,

488
00:27:41,716 --> 00:27:43,756
Speaker 1: this is this is my music, you know what I mean.

489
00:27:43,796 --> 00:27:45,476
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shy away from the soul and

490
00:27:45,556 --> 00:27:49,476
Speaker 1: the and the and the more melodic stuff because that's

491
00:27:49,876 --> 00:27:51,556
Speaker 1: as much as I'm a grand artist and I'm a

492
00:27:51,636 --> 00:27:54,796
Speaker 1: rap artist, I'm an artist. I'm a musician. And if

493
00:27:54,836 --> 00:27:56,316
Speaker 1: I want to sing and I want to jam out

494
00:27:56,316 --> 00:27:58,756
Speaker 1: with the band and be soulful and be doing my

495
00:27:58,916 --> 00:28:01,396
Speaker 1: R and B and my gospel, stand on that like

496
00:28:01,476 --> 00:28:03,876
Speaker 1: and be proud of it. So yeah, this tour was

497
00:28:03,916 --> 00:28:06,876
Speaker 1: the first time I went out there. And what kind

498
00:28:06,876 --> 00:28:08,796
Speaker 1: of places did you play? It was an arena tour.

499
00:28:08,836 --> 00:28:12,276
Speaker 1: I did great. It was I want to say fifteen

500
00:28:12,996 --> 00:28:15,636
Speaker 1: fifteen dates. We did three or two arenas, which was

501
00:28:16,116 --> 00:28:17,796
Speaker 1: which was phenomenal that I was like one of the

502
00:28:17,836 --> 00:28:20,596
Speaker 1: highlights of my life. Yeah. It was up and down

503
00:28:20,636 --> 00:28:22,836
Speaker 1: the UK and it just felt good like it was like, oh,

504
00:28:22,916 --> 00:28:24,556
Speaker 1: this is my country and this is my people. That

505
00:28:24,836 --> 00:28:28,276
Speaker 1: it was amazing beautiful, Okay, lets he was anxious to

506
00:28:28,396 --> 00:28:48,796
Speaker 1: Yeah it's cool. Um. This song here is called fire Babe.

507
00:29:08,276 --> 00:29:19,316
Speaker 1: She was standing in her trad and she rose looking

508
00:29:19,516 --> 00:29:31,076
Speaker 1: like can angel. Her eyes took away my bread and

509
00:29:31,276 --> 00:29:35,836
Speaker 1: that's when I knew she was mine. Unto the end.

510
00:29:39,556 --> 00:29:50,956
Speaker 1: My miracle might be plain my heart and soul for

511
00:29:51,316 --> 00:30:00,116
Speaker 1: the years, because I I just gonna explain, even in

512
00:30:00,156 --> 00:30:07,676
Speaker 1: the way you love me with your face, my fire

513
00:30:07,796 --> 00:30:18,116
Speaker 1: bad you keep bringing bright, touch me you and buy

514
00:30:18,316 --> 00:30:34,156
Speaker 1: me with your fame. She makes everybody go. Then she

515
00:30:34,476 --> 00:30:45,116
Speaker 1: started dancing on the table. She comes starred stead in

516
00:30:45,436 --> 00:30:58,476
Speaker 1: order hard how she lights upper something too. My miracle,

517
00:31:01,436 --> 00:31:26,196
Speaker 1: mind me pain, my mind, soul just expansions. My far band.

518
00:31:28,436 --> 00:31:57,916
Speaker 1: You keeping to me so beautiful, thank you, beautiful, thank you. Yeah.

519
00:31:58,036 --> 00:32:01,796
Speaker 1: That one's very special to me. As so melodic and vocal,

520
00:32:01,916 --> 00:32:05,716
Speaker 1: so vulnerable and real, thank you really good. How about

521
00:32:05,716 --> 00:32:09,956
Speaker 1: one happened? That happened with one of the most phenomenal

522
00:32:10,876 --> 00:32:13,316
Speaker 1: singer songwriter as I've ever met, a young girl called

523
00:32:13,356 --> 00:32:17,316
Speaker 1: Debbie who's actually signed to death Jim as Well. She

524
00:32:17,556 --> 00:32:20,276
Speaker 1: is the unbelievable And I got in a studio of

525
00:32:20,276 --> 00:32:22,956
Speaker 1: her and the first there's another song coming later that

526
00:32:23,156 --> 00:32:25,516
Speaker 1: also she's at the end of the fire water and

527
00:32:25,516 --> 00:32:28,756
Speaker 1: pull me Water part me. Well, that's Debbie as well, beautiful.

528
00:32:29,156 --> 00:32:33,956
Speaker 1: And we got into studio and George Moore, a phenomenal producer,

529
00:32:34,516 --> 00:32:37,516
Speaker 1: started playing these chords, and then we started messing around

530
00:32:37,556 --> 00:32:40,636
Speaker 1: with some melodies, and then we figured that we wanted

531
00:32:40,636 --> 00:32:44,276
Speaker 1: to tell tell a story of that first spark when

532
00:32:44,276 --> 00:32:47,076
Speaker 1: you've met your partner and you're just sewing awe and

533
00:32:47,116 --> 00:32:52,596
Speaker 1: the slack wow and especially like the relationship hours hours in.

534
00:32:53,276 --> 00:32:57,196
Speaker 1: I just tried to narrate like the first that first time,

535
00:32:57,236 --> 00:33:00,156
Speaker 1: you know, when you first meet them and you're very

536
00:33:00,196 --> 00:33:02,556
Speaker 1: observant of them, that you might go to a party

537
00:33:02,636 --> 00:33:04,516
Speaker 1: or you're like at dinner and you watch them and

538
00:33:04,516 --> 00:33:06,796
Speaker 1: you watch how they worked the room. And we just

539
00:33:06,916 --> 00:33:10,076
Speaker 1: narrated it and described it. And I remember as I

540
00:33:10,196 --> 00:33:13,996
Speaker 1: was writing it, I was just like my lemonade or

541
00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:17,196
Speaker 1: my sweet Escape, and I was like, there needs to

542
00:33:17,236 --> 00:33:19,476
Speaker 1: be a payoff here, like what's what's this? What's the

543
00:33:19,556 --> 00:33:21,356
Speaker 1: lyric that we can have here? And it was like

544
00:33:21,436 --> 00:33:24,996
Speaker 1: my fire, my fire baby, my fire and my fire baby,

545
00:33:25,236 --> 00:33:27,396
Speaker 1: and Google as anyone said this before, I was like,

546
00:33:27,476 --> 00:33:28,796
Speaker 1: I googled it, and I was like, it would be

547
00:33:28,796 --> 00:33:31,676
Speaker 1: beautiful if we could coin this term, like as a

548
00:33:31,716 --> 00:33:33,956
Speaker 1: week like this, we'll call this song fire baby and

549
00:33:34,596 --> 00:33:36,876
Speaker 1: we'll create especially that's how I think, that's how I

550
00:33:36,876 --> 00:33:38,996
Speaker 1: feel about my ex as well as an that's a

551
00:33:38,996 --> 00:33:41,196
Speaker 1: good way to describe it. And I was like, if

552
00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:43,476
Speaker 1: we can just just coin this new term and just

553
00:33:44,396 --> 00:33:47,356
Speaker 1: describe it and say you're my fire baby, and like yeah,

554
00:33:47,356 --> 00:33:50,796
Speaker 1: it felt very beautiful and very honest, and even with

555
00:33:50,836 --> 00:33:53,996
Speaker 1: the vocal and the music, it's a place where I've

556
00:33:53,996 --> 00:33:56,476
Speaker 1: always wanted to get to as an artist. Like I

557
00:33:56,516 --> 00:33:59,956
Speaker 1: feel like I've always kind of sung and explored melody,

558
00:34:00,476 --> 00:34:02,836
Speaker 1: but I've sometimes I've done it a bit sheepish lee,

559
00:34:03,156 --> 00:34:06,236
Speaker 1: I've been brave, and like when I look back five

560
00:34:06,316 --> 00:34:09,556
Speaker 1: years ago, I've been brave and I was trying. I

561
00:34:09,556 --> 00:34:13,036
Speaker 1: think you even went there exactly. Yeah. I used to

562
00:34:13,076 --> 00:34:14,796
Speaker 1: dip my toe in and I would sing a bit,

563
00:34:14,876 --> 00:34:17,436
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, this time, I want to

564
00:34:17,436 --> 00:34:19,676
Speaker 1: sing that. I want to sing that cow Stevie sings

565
00:34:19,756 --> 00:34:22,716
Speaker 1: or how Frank Hooshon sings or how Whitney would sing. That.

566
00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:26,476
Speaker 1: I was a sing as much as because I've come

567
00:34:26,516 --> 00:34:29,036
Speaker 1: to the conclusion, of course, I will never be able

568
00:34:29,036 --> 00:34:30,956
Speaker 1: to sing like this, but I can sing in my way.

569
00:34:31,076 --> 00:34:34,196
Speaker 1: I can sing with my honestly and truth. It's believable.

570
00:34:34,356 --> 00:34:36,236
Speaker 1: The way you sing it, it's like I know you

571
00:34:36,356 --> 00:34:38,796
Speaker 1: mean it. Yeah, exactly, yes, and and that's all that

572
00:34:38,796 --> 00:34:40,596
Speaker 1: that's what that matters. Yeah, yeah, that's what that means.

573
00:34:41,076 --> 00:34:45,836
Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's keep going. So good. Um, okay. The

574
00:34:45,916 --> 00:34:48,516
Speaker 1: next one is graduations signing death tream by the way,

575
00:34:48,636 --> 00:34:52,636
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. It's it's amazing. It's amazing. Man.

576
00:34:53,116 --> 00:34:54,916
Speaker 1: You can wear it with a badge, such a badge

577
00:34:54,916 --> 00:34:57,156
Speaker 1: of honor as well. Man, So cool. Yeah, thank you?

578
00:34:58,676 --> 00:35:29,476
Speaker 1: Okay and list oh please put you lower your tone?

579
00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:33,476
Speaker 1: Please could you get off my phone and please leave

580
00:35:33,556 --> 00:35:37,236
Speaker 1: Megan a loan? I said, please leave Megan alone, because

581
00:35:37,236 --> 00:35:39,476
Speaker 1: step when you deep at your house, it's never your home.

582
00:35:39,916 --> 00:35:41,716
Speaker 1: You want to speed. But it's best that you don't

583
00:35:42,236 --> 00:35:45,716
Speaker 1: under pressure. We fold, let's believe, or protecting your front.

584
00:35:48,236 --> 00:35:50,876
Speaker 1: I had to let it be known. We eventually grow.

585
00:35:51,356 --> 00:35:55,116
Speaker 1: I'm a sensitive soul. Please could you pause to applause? Please?

586
00:35:55,156 --> 00:35:57,916
Speaker 1: Could you let me be floored? And please leave your

587
00:35:57,956 --> 00:36:01,356
Speaker 1: pain at the door as to your match in this house.

588
00:36:01,436 --> 00:36:04,596
Speaker 1: And I can't bear anymore. Please spare me your fool. Please,

589
00:36:04,716 --> 00:36:07,276
Speaker 1: Lord give me the strength to forgive my dad, for

590
00:36:07,396 --> 00:36:09,676
Speaker 1: he's flowed, and so our master, who I might to know,

591
00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:14,076
Speaker 1: to not forgiven my new tries. I see it's so

592
00:36:14,236 --> 00:36:18,596
Speaker 1: annoying cries. But with this pain or rubber with this

593
00:36:18,716 --> 00:36:20,956
Speaker 1: pain or rather pain, and try and turn this broken

594
00:36:21,036 --> 00:36:25,476
Speaker 1: picture to something that I ain't. It's paying a rubber

595
00:36:25,596 --> 00:36:28,156
Speaker 1: hole because it made me who I am sorely time

596
00:36:28,196 --> 00:36:30,556
Speaker 1: I let it go, I free myself for myself, I

597
00:36:30,676 --> 00:36:33,196
Speaker 1: free you from regret. I grow on new piece before

598
00:36:33,236 --> 00:36:35,236
Speaker 1: you rest. And that's the least that you should get off.

599
00:36:35,276 --> 00:37:03,276
Speaker 1: Think we've both suffered enough. Please of it. That might

600
00:37:03,356 --> 00:37:06,436
Speaker 1: be my favorite one yet, I'll I'll look at that's yeah,

601
00:37:06,596 --> 00:37:09,076
Speaker 1: thank you beautiful. That's should be the one thing where

602
00:37:09,276 --> 00:37:11,996
Speaker 1: to tell everyone to leave the studio and just have

603
00:37:12,156 --> 00:37:15,436
Speaker 1: some time with it for myself. And it started off

604
00:37:15,436 --> 00:37:17,916
Speaker 1: an amazing producer call open cuts to he at that

605
00:37:17,996 --> 00:37:21,556
Speaker 1: sample of it was just quiet singing please, which didn't

606
00:37:21,596 --> 00:37:24,756
Speaker 1: have the piano. It was just the quiet. Now there

607
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,836
Speaker 1: was keys, there was keys, there was keys on it,

608
00:37:26,996 --> 00:37:30,076
Speaker 1: but it was just please. And it was it's even

609
00:37:30,236 --> 00:37:32,596
Speaker 1: be discussed at the time, but even the word please, like,

610
00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:38,676
Speaker 1: the vulnerability of it, the desperateness of it, Yes, even

611
00:37:38,796 --> 00:37:41,156
Speaker 1: even though the many facets of it where sometimes it's

612
00:37:41,156 --> 00:37:43,756
Speaker 1: just our please could and sometimes you're at your end

613
00:37:43,796 --> 00:37:46,036
Speaker 1: of your taver and it's just please, like, And I

614
00:37:46,116 --> 00:37:49,036
Speaker 1: thought of what does please mean to me? And like

615
00:37:49,316 --> 00:37:52,836
Speaker 1: at the time, it was my please was. It wasn't

616
00:37:52,876 --> 00:37:55,156
Speaker 1: a defiant it wasn't like a I needed. It was

617
00:37:55,236 --> 00:37:58,676
Speaker 1: just like a please like and I just let everything

618
00:38:00,636 --> 00:38:02,636
Speaker 1: roll out with me like and I didn't. I tried

619
00:38:02,756 --> 00:38:04,796
Speaker 1: not to be I tried not to premeditate it. I

620
00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:08,036
Speaker 1: just yeah. And it ended up being it always feels

621
00:38:08,076 --> 00:38:11,876
Speaker 1: that to me, um like a confession, like a confession beef,

622
00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:13,636
Speaker 1: Like you just go in there and just let it

623
00:38:13,636 --> 00:38:15,636
Speaker 1: all out. So it was very therapeutic in that sense,

624
00:38:15,876 --> 00:38:19,716
Speaker 1: very beautiful. Thank you, and the cod just the cycle

625
00:38:19,796 --> 00:38:22,756
Speaker 1: of chord. It's so emotional. Yeah, it was, it was,

626
00:38:22,916 --> 00:38:25,636
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, it was. We all knew it was

627
00:38:25,676 --> 00:38:27,836
Speaker 1: a special moment as well. When when be done in

628
00:38:27,916 --> 00:38:31,996
Speaker 1: the studio, thank you, it feels like it's like a story. Okay, yeah,

629
00:38:32,036 --> 00:38:35,516
Speaker 1: that's that's that's all. It feels like that. Yeah, it's great.

630
00:38:35,556 --> 00:38:38,676
Speaker 1: And even I feel like the beautiful thing is there

631
00:38:38,836 --> 00:38:42,916
Speaker 1: was no premeditation about it, like yo, like I'm trying

632
00:38:42,956 --> 00:38:45,396
Speaker 1: to say this, I think, yeah, I just went a studio.

633
00:38:45,636 --> 00:38:47,796
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and just it was that. And that's why

634
00:38:47,836 --> 00:38:50,476
Speaker 1: I think you've got to give God credit and also

635
00:38:51,076 --> 00:38:54,076
Speaker 1: the heart credit, because I think sometimes the heart that

636
00:38:54,276 --> 00:38:55,676
Speaker 1: does what it wants to do, you know what I mean,

637
00:38:55,756 --> 00:38:57,956
Speaker 1: Like if if we don't get if we don't get

638
00:38:57,996 --> 00:39:01,076
Speaker 1: in the way, yeah yeah, And as artists, that's that's

639
00:39:01,116 --> 00:39:03,636
Speaker 1: the best place to be him and you're just letting

640
00:39:04,276 --> 00:39:08,876
Speaker 1: your memories, your experiences speak for themselves. So yeah, thank you.

641
00:39:09,636 --> 00:39:12,196
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it. Thank you. That's it. That's it, that's

642
00:39:12,236 --> 00:39:14,916
Speaker 1: all that. That's what I want. And even when people

643
00:39:14,916 --> 00:39:18,716
Speaker 1: ask me about this this album, in this phase, the

644
00:39:18,956 --> 00:39:21,276
Speaker 1: word is just always I just want someone to feel it. Yeah,

645
00:39:21,356 --> 00:39:22,876
Speaker 1: I just want people to feel it. I don't care

646
00:39:22,916 --> 00:39:26,196
Speaker 1: about anything calse than someone just feeling it, someone saying,

647
00:39:26,236 --> 00:39:28,556
Speaker 1: you know, I felt that, because that's that's cool. That's

648
00:39:28,716 --> 00:39:31,756
Speaker 1: that's what I want. Yeah, so thank you. We have

649
00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:33,836
Speaker 1: to take one last quick break and then we'll be

650
00:39:33,956 --> 00:39:40,916
Speaker 1: back with more from Rick Rubin and Storms. Before we

651
00:39:40,996 --> 00:39:44,756
Speaker 1: finished Rick's conversation with Storms, here's this new song. My

652
00:39:44,916 --> 00:39:55,996
Speaker 1: presidents are black. God into my flows, heaving in my tracks.

653
00:39:56,276 --> 00:40:00,676
Speaker 1: My presidents are black. See Jackie on the front, landing

654
00:40:00,756 --> 00:40:03,196
Speaker 1: riches in the back. Remember when they told us just

655
00:40:03,356 --> 00:40:06,596
Speaker 1: a rap. Over the years we've been ill advised. They

656
00:40:06,676 --> 00:40:08,996
Speaker 1: told us just one at a time. That's the biggest slack.

657
00:40:09,436 --> 00:40:12,316
Speaker 1: A wise man wants asked where all the pairs? And

658
00:40:12,436 --> 00:40:14,876
Speaker 1: now he's looking at me funny like I took his slash?

659
00:40:15,196 --> 00:40:17,596
Speaker 1: Or what a last I can't walk with no broken man.

660
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:22,596
Speaker 1: They start warring. Never wos the plan? Cool jigger told

661
00:40:22,636 --> 00:40:25,356
Speaker 1: me Crabs in the bucket, I said, I overstand, so you,

662
00:40:25,516 --> 00:40:27,876
Speaker 1: my brother, you can hold my hand. You don't know

663
00:40:28,036 --> 00:40:30,276
Speaker 1: about the combos that we had to chase the rules.

664
00:40:30,436 --> 00:40:32,356
Speaker 1: Didn't know that I will give my armor left to

665
00:40:32,436 --> 00:40:34,836
Speaker 1: hope you move. Didn't know we're trying to implement our

666
00:40:34,916 --> 00:40:37,356
Speaker 1: history through the schools. You can keep the gems. I

667
00:40:37,436 --> 00:40:40,116
Speaker 1: give you jewels. Ah. We are the needle movers. We

668
00:40:40,236 --> 00:40:42,796
Speaker 1: are the table ship because they gotta move around us.

669
00:40:42,916 --> 00:40:45,156
Speaker 1: Can nothing moves about us. It can't be you who

670
00:40:45,236 --> 00:40:47,396
Speaker 1: found us. We don't need you to crown us. I

671
00:40:47,476 --> 00:40:49,556
Speaker 1: have to crown before my song. This is the mountain

672
00:40:49,596 --> 00:40:51,956
Speaker 1: down on. We set up shot, but never close the shot.

673
00:40:52,276 --> 00:40:54,316
Speaker 1: I give you all the keys or rhyth We know

674
00:40:54,436 --> 00:40:57,156
Speaker 1: each other. My brother told me, bro, you wasn't known

675
00:40:57,236 --> 00:40:59,516
Speaker 1: to star, so I got rid of it. I'm smoothing

676
00:40:59,596 --> 00:41:02,436
Speaker 1: and some cocoa butter fluid. You can it's the community

677
00:41:02,636 --> 00:41:06,556
Speaker 1: provide or the mobile pool distrack survivor glory be to God,

678
00:41:06,596 --> 00:41:10,236
Speaker 1: Jehovah Gyra. How can I retire? The devil was a liar?

679
00:41:10,516 --> 00:41:13,036
Speaker 1: The shaman nigga did care. We made it through the fire.

680
00:41:13,116 --> 00:41:15,636
Speaker 1: Should have left me out? The politics or no, it's

681
00:41:15,636 --> 00:41:18,316
Speaker 1: petted cheese and dollar chips. Niggas went from selling weed

682
00:41:18,356 --> 00:41:21,076
Speaker 1: to scholarships. They're belling means or hollo flips and now

683
00:41:21,116 --> 00:41:23,396
Speaker 1: they holoflips and get at me. I could be a

684
00:41:23,476 --> 00:41:25,316
Speaker 1: beat on with you. Let it be I needed you

685
00:41:25,436 --> 00:41:30,076
Speaker 1: to set me free. I just needed you to let

686
00:41:30,156 --> 00:41:32,596
Speaker 1: me dream. The pressure down under those my favors from

687
00:41:32,596 --> 00:41:35,876
Speaker 1: my self esteem. I wonder what they tell raheem black

688
00:41:35,916 --> 00:41:38,756
Speaker 1: boy fly, black girl fly. We all fly if you

689
00:41:38,836 --> 00:41:41,036
Speaker 1: try to rub them for their dreams. Of course, UM

690
00:41:41,396 --> 00:41:44,196
Speaker 1: gonna put a target on your back. Cool cat, But

691
00:41:44,396 --> 00:41:46,676
Speaker 1: you're leaving you so alone. This is my war. Cray,

692
00:41:46,876 --> 00:41:49,076
Speaker 1: just careful when you fuck around and take the piss

693
00:41:49,356 --> 00:41:51,676
Speaker 1: that would be my little broad baby sisters. Have to

694
00:41:51,756 --> 00:41:53,916
Speaker 1: make a statement just in case it is rare products

695
00:41:53,916 --> 00:41:56,276
Speaker 1: to the place we lived. Yeah, we're busting all your

696
00:41:56,316 --> 00:41:58,516
Speaker 1: favorite myths now Oneadays, I pull up on my z

697
00:41:58,796 --> 00:42:01,756
Speaker 1: Smith from Master with a pen skin tone dark and

698
00:42:01,836 --> 00:42:03,716
Speaker 1: then you're skin Now you have to pull it up

699
00:42:03,756 --> 00:42:06,716
Speaker 1: and start again. Tell Michael Gold that we got setting

700
00:42:06,796 --> 00:42:09,556
Speaker 1: for your nose and we got shampainball from Ways that

701
00:42:09,676 --> 00:42:11,836
Speaker 1: number ten. No, we're gonna part you through the bullshit.

702
00:42:12,156 --> 00:42:14,436
Speaker 1: If you make a plaint, I'll reinforce it. If you

703
00:42:14,556 --> 00:42:17,156
Speaker 1: take a standard, reinforce it. That's what we do. If

704
00:42:17,236 --> 00:42:20,236
Speaker 1: we beside you then with cheering. This is hashtag murky.

705
00:42:20,356 --> 00:42:25,276
Speaker 1: This is good engineering. I swear, thank you, love it,

706
00:42:25,436 --> 00:42:28,396
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. The sampled music is

707
00:42:28,476 --> 00:42:31,676
Speaker 1: so cool. Yeah, it's dropped up. It's really cool. It's

708
00:42:31,876 --> 00:42:35,796
Speaker 1: the first time I ever heard of Zadie Smith reference. Yeah,

709
00:42:36,476 --> 00:42:39,436
Speaker 1: I love Zadie, I love it. I love that woman.

710
00:42:39,516 --> 00:42:43,156
Speaker 1: She's incredible. She's I'm a big, big, big admirer already,

711
00:42:43,716 --> 00:42:46,316
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to say her name of the lyric. Yeah,

712
00:42:46,516 --> 00:42:48,756
Speaker 1: I wanted to, like, yeah, I wanted to pay homagin

713
00:42:48,876 --> 00:42:51,796
Speaker 1: I'm safe with some beautish that's good, and had that

714
00:42:51,836 --> 00:42:56,876
Speaker 1: one happen. First was the sample. It's a beautiful Swedish

715
00:42:57,156 --> 00:43:01,476
Speaker 1: artist called Daniello Refana And this song was actually shown

716
00:43:01,516 --> 00:43:04,436
Speaker 1: to me and hits me right right in my spirit,

717
00:43:04,556 --> 00:43:07,996
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's it hits me right in my musical

718
00:43:08,036 --> 00:43:10,716
Speaker 1: spirit in terms of that, it's a perfect song. And

719
00:43:10,836 --> 00:43:12,436
Speaker 1: I was listening to the song so much, and I

720
00:43:12,516 --> 00:43:16,196
Speaker 1: showed it to Progression and he with me and Progression

721
00:43:16,276 --> 00:43:18,996
Speaker 1: Black got very similar music taste as well. Yeah, so

722
00:43:20,036 --> 00:43:21,796
Speaker 1: when when I played it to him and he was like,

723
00:43:21,916 --> 00:43:24,036
Speaker 1: what the what the hell is this? And then he

724
00:43:24,156 --> 00:43:28,036
Speaker 1: sampled it and then yeah, I just rapped And it

725
00:43:28,116 --> 00:43:31,196
Speaker 1: took it took me some time to figure I always

726
00:43:31,236 --> 00:43:33,516
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to rap over the beat he made,

727
00:43:33,556 --> 00:43:35,716
Speaker 1: but it took me time to get to the lyrics.

728
00:43:35,756 --> 00:43:37,116
Speaker 1: And then when I got to the lyrics, I just

729
00:43:37,716 --> 00:43:39,396
Speaker 1: had to be in such a place because I'm also

730
00:43:39,476 --> 00:43:42,516
Speaker 1: in a new place. I'm in a new place as

731
00:43:42,516 --> 00:43:45,556
Speaker 1: a man. So when I go to rap, I've always

732
00:43:45,596 --> 00:43:47,316
Speaker 1: just got I said, what do I want to say?

733
00:43:47,436 --> 00:43:53,676
Speaker 1: It's not about just ramming as yeah killed my ego, man,

734
00:43:53,756 --> 00:43:55,876
Speaker 1: So I always say, what do I want to say?

735
00:43:55,916 --> 00:43:58,316
Speaker 1: I can just rap because if you give me a beat,

736
00:43:58,356 --> 00:44:00,476
Speaker 1: now I can rap. We can do it all day

737
00:44:00,556 --> 00:44:02,236
Speaker 1: lap And I was like, it's not about that anymore.

738
00:44:02,236 --> 00:44:04,076
Speaker 1: It's about all I want to say. So I had

739
00:44:04,076 --> 00:44:06,076
Speaker 1: to figure out what I wanted to say and just

740
00:44:06,196 --> 00:44:09,556
Speaker 1: be purposeful and intentful with it. And yeah, ended up

741
00:44:09,716 --> 00:44:12,356
Speaker 1: so that songs called my Presidents are black. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

742
00:44:12,436 --> 00:44:14,876
Speaker 1: So got to know my flow is heaven in my tracks,

743
00:44:14,916 --> 00:44:17,476
Speaker 1: my kettles all gold, and my presidents are black. And like,

744
00:44:17,676 --> 00:44:19,116
Speaker 1: for me, that means a lot to me. Do you

745
00:44:19,156 --> 00:44:20,276
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That means a lot to me,

746
00:44:20,356 --> 00:44:22,556
Speaker 1: Like signing to death time, my presidents are black and

747
00:44:22,636 --> 00:44:25,676
Speaker 1: not I think that's like a It means at the

748
00:44:25,836 --> 00:44:28,156
Speaker 1: end of the person speaking that's jazzy b from soul

749
00:44:28,196 --> 00:44:32,476
Speaker 1: to soul, so like it just means it's like we're here,

750
00:44:32,596 --> 00:44:34,596
Speaker 1: like it's an arrival, and it's like we stand for

751
00:44:34,716 --> 00:44:37,716
Speaker 1: something so beautiful and to do it over that beautiful

752
00:44:37,756 --> 00:44:41,036
Speaker 1: piece of music. I love it and it's so cool music,

753
00:44:41,116 --> 00:44:43,156
Speaker 1: so cool. There we go. That's so it's a black

754
00:44:43,236 --> 00:44:48,196
Speaker 1: thank you. Um. This next song is called Holy Spirit.

755
00:45:13,476 --> 00:45:20,836
Speaker 1: If you need a pressure, the pressure from my shoulders.

756
00:45:24,596 --> 00:45:32,716
Speaker 1: Father helped me hold this because I can't better pressure.

757
00:45:37,396 --> 00:45:44,716
Speaker 1: If you need a burdens, the burdens are so heavy.

758
00:45:48,316 --> 00:45:56,716
Speaker 1: The Lord you may be ready to carry you my burdens.

759
00:46:01,316 --> 00:46:08,636
Speaker 1: If you need a power, the power that's inside me

760
00:46:12,356 --> 00:46:20,756
Speaker 1: or SMI canno pass by me, mighty goal, my tea,

761
00:46:26,196 --> 00:46:33,116
Speaker 1: old me close, feel me, give your presence, old me,

762
00:46:33,716 --> 00:46:43,116
Speaker 1: ghost and spirit farther. God, I found it, God, keep

763
00:46:43,236 --> 00:46:55,756
Speaker 1: me so rounder. Isn't it amazing that faithful is alway

764
00:46:55,996 --> 00:47:07,236
Speaker 1: needed to find the missing pieces or even searching for

765
00:47:07,636 --> 00:47:18,916
Speaker 1: my Jesus times when I felt wifeless, you gave me

766
00:47:19,276 --> 00:47:30,436
Speaker 1: peace and brother, Oh Door, I don't deserve it. Oh

767
00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:40,116
Speaker 1: though I'm far from perfect. Head to hold me close,

768
00:47:41,116 --> 00:47:49,516
Speaker 1: fail me with your presence, oldly ghost and spirited Father God,

769
00:47:49,636 --> 00:48:03,356
Speaker 1: I found it. Lord, keep me surround, Holy spear. I

770
00:48:03,396 --> 00:48:06,196
Speaker 1: don't know what this is. It's trying. It's a feeling

771
00:48:06,276 --> 00:48:09,916
Speaker 1: you give, Oh, Lord, can even and you feel me

772
00:48:09,956 --> 00:48:15,396
Speaker 1: with places feeling. I don't want to resist old holy

773
00:48:15,476 --> 00:48:19,596
Speaker 1: stress showing away home. If attas and pray so, yould

774
00:48:19,676 --> 00:48:24,756
Speaker 1: you you will never leave me straight now. I'm I'm

775
00:48:24,836 --> 00:48:30,356
Speaker 1: little friend. You're the reason why I pray. Feel me

776
00:48:30,556 --> 00:48:35,356
Speaker 1: with the often when you hold me in your arms,

777
00:48:35,876 --> 00:48:39,436
Speaker 1: it makes me feel some type of bad. Don't you

778
00:48:39,676 --> 00:48:49,716
Speaker 1: be that? But I'm old? Oh? Oh oh, if you

779
00:48:49,836 --> 00:48:58,436
Speaker 1: need my story? What do you have for me? Oh?

780
00:48:58,676 --> 00:49:02,716
Speaker 1: Do you have fun? Me? Made me feel so wholeful.

781
00:49:06,596 --> 00:49:14,276
Speaker 1: I'm just glad I know you. I'm so glad I

782
00:49:14,436 --> 00:49:27,396
Speaker 1: know you. I'm so glad I know you. Amazing, Thank you,

783
00:49:27,636 --> 00:49:30,356
Speaker 1: that's beautiful, Thank you very much. The one earlier felt

784
00:49:30,396 --> 00:49:33,076
Speaker 1: like a confession. This one's like a hymn. Yeah yeah, yeah,

785
00:49:33,276 --> 00:49:37,236
Speaker 1: very beautiful. And how this one happened? This um, this

786
00:49:37,476 --> 00:49:41,076
Speaker 1: was this was a time and I really, I would say,

787
00:49:41,116 --> 00:49:43,876
Speaker 1: reconnected with God. I've always been like from a young age,

788
00:49:43,916 --> 00:49:46,596
Speaker 1: I've always loved God and known God. But this was

789
00:49:46,676 --> 00:49:50,076
Speaker 1: like this This felt like a coming of age where

790
00:49:50,076 --> 00:49:53,396
Speaker 1: I was an adult and I was like, oh, I

791
00:49:53,596 --> 00:49:56,956
Speaker 1: understand you now, God, I understand how you move and

792
00:49:57,036 --> 00:50:00,836
Speaker 1: how you work. And like my brother Dion, who's we

793
00:50:00,916 --> 00:50:04,276
Speaker 1: call him the chord Lord because he is Midas touts

794
00:50:04,316 --> 00:50:06,076
Speaker 1: when it comes to Keith, so shout out don that

795
00:50:06,236 --> 00:50:08,316
Speaker 1: we've made so much music together. He's he's actually on

796
00:50:08,396 --> 00:50:11,436
Speaker 1: those of chats on the album. He just started playing

797
00:50:12,236 --> 00:50:15,116
Speaker 1: and I just started singing. So that whole melody, literally

798
00:50:15,196 --> 00:50:17,876
Speaker 1: from the beginning to end, was a one take. Not

799
00:50:17,956 --> 00:50:20,916
Speaker 1: the lyrics, but just the melody was one take, very beautiful,

800
00:50:20,916 --> 00:50:22,396
Speaker 1: and the Holy Spirit was in the room and just

801
00:50:23,116 --> 00:50:25,316
Speaker 1: just caught it and I just went back to filling

802
00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:28,596
Speaker 1: the lyrics. But yeah, man, it was powerful. Thank you.

803
00:50:28,756 --> 00:50:30,396
Speaker 1: I love it. There's a lot of piano on the

804
00:50:30,436 --> 00:50:32,996
Speaker 1: album and it really works. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

805
00:50:33,436 --> 00:50:35,916
Speaker 1: Another thing that's that's tying it all together. It's just

806
00:50:36,156 --> 00:50:38,596
Speaker 1: how many chords were here. Yeah, I've never even noticed.

807
00:50:38,596 --> 00:50:40,716
Speaker 1: I never forced why a bit of piano and it

808
00:50:41,196 --> 00:50:43,476
Speaker 1: feels really good. That's another thing that makes it feel

809
00:50:43,516 --> 00:50:46,236
Speaker 1: like almost like a theater piece, like it all is.

810
00:50:47,036 --> 00:50:50,596
Speaker 1: It all feels glued together, beautiful. Thank you, thank you

811
00:50:50,796 --> 00:50:53,836
Speaker 1: very much, thank you. And this is the outro. This

812
00:50:54,036 --> 00:50:56,756
Speaker 1: is the last song beautiful. This is called give It

813
00:50:56,836 --> 00:50:59,916
Speaker 1: to the War. This is with Debbie as well. Yeah, phenomenally.

814
00:50:59,956 --> 00:51:02,076
Speaker 1: This was the first song we made together, that the

815
00:51:02,156 --> 00:51:04,836
Speaker 1: first studio system. And will it likely be the last

816
00:51:04,956 --> 00:51:07,636
Speaker 1: arm Yeah, yes, yeah, And I've wanted it to be

817
00:51:07,676 --> 00:51:12,156
Speaker 1: the user from the beginning. And next you're doing good man. Yeah,

818
00:51:12,316 --> 00:51:14,916
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate. I'm appreciate, so happy for you.

819
00:51:15,036 --> 00:51:35,156
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Thanks so much. Pressure at tension. I'm pushing,

820
00:51:35,676 --> 00:51:42,036
Speaker 1: but it's getting hard. I'm so closed long bow, God knows,

821
00:51:42,116 --> 00:51:46,916
Speaker 1: I see you getting darker. There's no give, there's bruises.

822
00:51:47,556 --> 00:51:51,396
Speaker 1: I'm losing on. This isard is hoarster and I feel

823
00:51:51,476 --> 00:51:56,716
Speaker 1: low a preet, slow going and give it to the water.

824
00:51:58,756 --> 00:52:03,236
Speaker 1: Give it to the water, Give it to the water.

825
00:52:11,796 --> 00:52:15,876
Speaker 1: This walk keeps me flying when i'm straight. This war's

826
00:52:15,916 --> 00:52:20,356
Speaker 1: gonna Tommy, It's okay. It's flowing and it's showing me

827
00:52:20,516 --> 00:52:26,396
Speaker 1: the way. Let it fill up the place. The war's

828
00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:30,476
Speaker 1: gonna wash away the paint. I hear it when it's

829
00:52:30,516 --> 00:52:34,836
Speaker 1: calling out my name. It's running and it's flooding from

830
00:52:34,916 --> 00:52:53,556
Speaker 1: my veins. Let it fill up the place. Just focus.

831
00:52:54,476 --> 00:52:59,556
Speaker 1: The process will show us how to move forward, to

832
00:52:59,836 --> 00:53:04,436
Speaker 1: look round. It's too loud, the big crowd, but that

833
00:53:04,716 --> 00:53:09,996
Speaker 1: is an important there's no good. There's bruising. Is I'm

834
00:53:10,156 --> 00:53:15,916
Speaker 1: losing on this desert? Is arster? Feel up pretty slow?

835
00:53:16,996 --> 00:53:21,676
Speaker 1: Let go and give it to the water. Give it

836
00:53:21,836 --> 00:53:35,196
Speaker 1: to the water. Give it to the water. This water

837
00:53:35,356 --> 00:53:39,676
Speaker 1: keeps me flowing. When I'm straight. The water's gonna tell me.

838
00:53:39,836 --> 00:53:44,116
Speaker 1: It's okay. It's flowing, and it's showing me the way.

839
00:53:45,796 --> 00:53:50,556
Speaker 1: Let it fill up the place. The water's gonna wash

840
00:53:50,636 --> 00:53:54,476
Speaker 1: away the paint. I hear it when it's calling on

841
00:53:54,676 --> 00:53:58,996
Speaker 1: my name. It's running and it's flooding from my veins.

842
00:54:00,356 --> 00:54:19,676
Speaker 1: Let it fill up the place. M h. I hold

843
00:54:19,796 --> 00:54:24,836
Speaker 1: onto the world. Time it sees me from the worlds

844
00:54:24,916 --> 00:54:36,356
Speaker 1: that God, no wonder I am stronger. Its feeding the hunger.

845
00:54:38,236 --> 00:54:51,596
Speaker 1: He's keeping behinder, don't they. This boy keeps me flowing

846
00:54:51,876 --> 00:54:56,556
Speaker 1: random straight. The wood is gonna turn me. It's okay,

847
00:54:58,036 --> 00:55:03,356
Speaker 1: it's flowing, and it's showing me the rain live out

848
00:55:03,556 --> 00:55:08,516
Speaker 1: the plain. The war is gonna rush away the pain.

849
00:55:10,116 --> 00:55:15,396
Speaker 1: I hear it when it's calling, it's running and it's

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00:55:15,476 --> 00:55:27,676
Speaker 1: flooding from that's incredible. Thank you, really beautiful, thank you

851
00:55:27,836 --> 00:55:32,676
Speaker 1: very much, thank you. Yeah wow, Yeah, And I really

852
00:55:32,716 --> 00:55:35,116
Speaker 1: wanted that to be the out from the from the

853
00:55:35,436 --> 00:55:37,956
Speaker 1: yeah from when you first made it. So that's like,

854
00:55:38,396 --> 00:55:41,236
Speaker 1: especially if you think that the story of the album,

855
00:55:42,596 --> 00:55:46,276
Speaker 1: especially like that chapter of my life. It felt like

856
00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:48,796
Speaker 1: all I could do was because even when I say

857
00:55:48,876 --> 00:55:51,516
Speaker 1: give it to the water, I mean give it to God, lack. Yes,

858
00:55:51,756 --> 00:55:53,196
Speaker 1: it just felt like that's all I could do. Like

859
00:55:53,556 --> 00:55:57,356
Speaker 1: I've I've I've helped myself accountable. I've I've looked in

860
00:55:57,756 --> 00:56:02,836
Speaker 1: the mirror. Yes, I've deeped every every detail of my

861
00:56:02,916 --> 00:56:05,836
Speaker 1: life and was like, okay, at this point, like just

862
00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:08,396
Speaker 1: give it to God, like free yourself of lack, you

863
00:56:08,436 --> 00:56:10,836
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So yes, yes, it's a very fitting.

864
00:56:11,876 --> 00:56:14,436
Speaker 1: It's an incredible it's an incredible chapter in your life.

865
00:56:14,476 --> 00:56:16,476
Speaker 1: I could feel it. Thank you, And it feels like

866
00:56:16,556 --> 00:56:20,836
Speaker 1: it all hangs together, it belongs together, and it also

867
00:56:20,996 --> 00:56:23,796
Speaker 1: frees you up. Now whatever you do next can literally

868
00:56:23,916 --> 00:56:28,676
Speaker 1: be anything. Thank you. Know it's it's because this is

869
00:56:29,756 --> 00:56:34,196
Speaker 1: so unexpected that I don't think anyone knows what to

870
00:56:34,276 --> 00:56:35,876
Speaker 1: expect next, you know what I mean? Like now you

871
00:56:35,996 --> 00:56:40,316
Speaker 1: open the door that you're truly free and you're gonna

872
00:56:40,356 --> 00:56:42,316
Speaker 1: make beautiful music. Thank you, and you can and you

873
00:56:42,396 --> 00:56:44,596
Speaker 1: can do it for a long time when when when

874
00:56:44,636 --> 00:56:47,196
Speaker 1: you don't have that feeling of it needs to do

875
00:56:47,356 --> 00:56:51,836
Speaker 1: something for someone else, it's staying true to yourself as

876
00:56:51,916 --> 00:56:54,356
Speaker 1: easier than trying to please other people over long period

877
00:56:54,356 --> 00:56:58,716
Speaker 1: of time possible. So this is I'm very happy, thank

878
00:56:58,756 --> 00:57:00,676
Speaker 1: you so much. It's it's mad you say that because

879
00:57:01,236 --> 00:57:02,916
Speaker 1: I felt I felt like that as well, and I've

880
00:57:02,956 --> 00:57:06,236
Speaker 1: said that and I've always said and it's this is

881
00:57:06,276 --> 00:57:09,956
Speaker 1: the second time we've we've we've spoken and the first

882
00:57:10,036 --> 00:57:12,476
Speaker 1: time you really confirm something that I've been imminent are

883
00:57:12,516 --> 00:57:15,076
Speaker 1: in about and like I was like, I'm sure, like

884
00:57:15,156 --> 00:57:18,596
Speaker 1: I know with this album, I know that that unlocks

885
00:57:18,636 --> 00:57:20,996
Speaker 1: like whatever freedom I've been looking for, both as a

886
00:57:21,076 --> 00:57:23,676
Speaker 1: man and as a creative life. Feel like this is

887
00:57:23,756 --> 00:57:26,796
Speaker 1: like allows me to spread my wings and like yes, yeah,

888
00:57:26,916 --> 00:57:29,316
Speaker 1: and I feel like before with my heart, I've always

889
00:57:29,756 --> 00:57:31,796
Speaker 1: I've always been trying to say yo, like this is

890
00:57:31,876 --> 00:57:34,236
Speaker 1: me and whereas this time I've just said the old lives,

891
00:57:34,276 --> 00:57:36,356
Speaker 1: put my foot on it, just done it. Yeah, yeah,

892
00:57:36,556 --> 00:57:39,156
Speaker 1: it's done very pure very pure. Thank you so much.

893
00:57:39,236 --> 00:57:41,276
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. That means the world. That

894
00:57:41,316 --> 00:57:43,116
Speaker 1: means I love it. And I also will tell you

895
00:57:43,196 --> 00:57:46,516
Speaker 1: from my perception, if anyone, if any of your fans

896
00:57:46,636 --> 00:57:49,276
Speaker 1: don't like it, there's gonna be a lot more people

897
00:57:49,756 --> 00:57:52,836
Speaker 1: who are gonna like it beyond whoever was there before,

898
00:57:53,236 --> 00:57:56,876
Speaker 1: because it feels like it's just so good that a

899
00:57:56,916 --> 00:57:59,436
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna feel us. You know, it's

900
00:57:59,916 --> 00:58:03,636
Speaker 1: a it works on a human level, that's it perfectly. Yeah,

901
00:58:03,636 --> 00:58:07,396
Speaker 1: And I've made peace with if if nobody liked it,

902
00:58:07,476 --> 00:58:10,396
Speaker 1: I'm I've made peace instant. That's It's the healthiest way,

903
00:58:10,676 --> 00:58:12,636
Speaker 1: it's the strongest way to make art is to know

904
00:58:14,236 --> 00:58:16,996
Speaker 1: I'm doing my thing. If they like it, great, and

905
00:58:17,076 --> 00:58:19,796
Speaker 1: if they don't, it's okay. But I'm being true, being

906
00:58:19,876 --> 00:58:24,036
Speaker 1: true perfect. Yeah, thank you, thank you for listening. Thank

907
00:58:24,076 --> 00:58:26,276
Speaker 1: you so much for playing it now so ons and lock.

908
00:58:26,756 --> 00:58:30,036
Speaker 1: This is like in a dream. So thank you so much, man,

909
00:58:30,196 --> 00:58:34,796
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That's great. Appreciate you. I love

910
00:58:34,836 --> 00:58:40,116
Speaker 1: you and you feel it, and thank you for this,

911
00:58:40,516 --> 00:58:42,516
Speaker 1: really I feel, the listener said, and we do it

912
00:58:42,556 --> 00:58:45,996
Speaker 1: again soon. Thank you so much. All right, Thank you man,

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Speaker 1: to you, Thank you man. Thanks again to storm Z

914
00:58:51,276 --> 00:58:53,596
Speaker 1: for talking through his new album with Rick. You can

915
00:58:53,676 --> 00:58:55,516
Speaker 1: hear this Is what I Mean along with all of

916
00:58:55,556 --> 00:58:58,236
Speaker 1: our favorite storm Z songs on my playlist at broken

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00:58:58,316 --> 00:59:01,356
Speaker 1: record podcast dot com. Be sure to subscribe to our

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash broken Record Podcast.

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