1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: It is a Football Friday Week seventeen edition, and okay, 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: I'll say it. We're on to Cincinnati. God Zach Erstman 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: with me Berg Gang. Cardinals don't see the Bengals a lot, 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: but they'll see plenty of Joe Burrow and company on Sunday. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: We break down the matchup, take a look at the 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: injury report, and head into enemy territory. Jeff Hobson, senior 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: writer for Bengals dot Com, joins the show at Cardinals 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode nine sixty four, and it starts now. 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Pooda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: dot Com slash podcast cop. 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Right at the five, hit the end zone for the 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: Cardinal touchdown. Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster. Here's Craiggriolo. 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I hope everyone had a great Christmas holiday, and a 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: special shout out to the gentleman across from me, because, 18 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: as we like to say, there are no days off. However, 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: I did take Thursday off. Zech on the other hand, 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: did not, and he was out here for practice and 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: locker room availability. So props to you slackers all around 22 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: me all on it. And now I'm joking. 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: Everybody gets to enjoy time with their family. If my 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 3: family was here here, maybe I would have got to 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: enjoy it as well, but no, it was I got 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 3: to enjoy it with this Cardinals family, so I can't complain. 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: I mean, look, there are definitely worse places to spend 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: a day off than watching some you know practice here. 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: And afternoon practice on Thursday. It was also nice. 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: Weather was nice while we were in the bubble the time, 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: but I'm sure the weather was nice. It was a 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: nice walk from the media room to the bubble. 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: By the way. It was interesting because Jonathan Ganna did 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: mention that they went inside even though the weather on 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: Sunday is not supposed to be great, but they went 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: inside because it's been a while since this team is 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: played on the turf, and Paiklor Stadium has a turf field, 38 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: so again. 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 3: They're going to be going to Sofi the following week, 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: which also turf field. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: So again, your your walkthroughs are in the bubble, but 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: it's a different when you're going through a and when 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: I say practice, it's not like you're you're tackling to 44 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: the ground. It's not like a training camp practice. But 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: ag started on at tackling to the ground trip, but 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: it is there's an intensity level for a practice versus 47 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: a walkthrough. So yeah, that's why the Cardinals were in 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,279 Speaker 1: the bubble on Thursday. And a good note about the 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium as well. So these last two games, Cardinals 50 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: are going to be playing on surface that they typically 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: have not played on this season. 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: And we know that they had a walk through on Wednesday, 53 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: so you typically expect that first practice back to be 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: a little bit more upbeat. And from what we were 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: able to see, I mean, we're in the bubble, so 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: it gets pretty loud in there because all the position 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: groups are sharing that same one hundred and twenty yards 58 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: that they currently have in there, So it was loud. 59 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: It was it was pumping in there. 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: JG said it was one of the most lively practices 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: they have had and for the twenty minutes that we 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: were in there, I can attest to that. 63 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Kalays Campbell mentioned it as well in the locker room 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: post practice, and maybe because it was Christmas and everyone 65 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: got to spend the morning with their family. But for 66 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: whatever reason, hopefully it means this Cardinals team is focused 67 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: and ready to end a seven game losing streak as 68 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: they play in Cincinnati on Sunday Cardinals three and twelve 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Bengals five and ten. Eleven AM is the kickoff six 70 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: thirty AM. Pregame covers begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network. 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: We'll get to our conversation with Jeff Hobson here in 72 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: a moment. I did mention the weather at last check 73 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: high of sixty six seventy five percent chance of rain, 74 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: though based off off of what I was looking at, 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: that seems to be more in the morning and in 76 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: the evening. So maybe there's that break for the game 77 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: to where Paul Calvic doesn't get rained on. 78 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: Well maybe unless he's down there pregame and all the 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: rain starts coming down pre game. 80 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. 81 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: Hopefully there's not rain, but if there is, you would 82 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: assume that this team has been working on wet ball 83 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: situations during the open portion of practice. 84 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: We weren't really able to. 85 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 3: See that out there, but that's something that this team 86 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: is going to need to think about it's gonna be 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: one of their first times actually dealing with any sort 88 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: of element. No team has played fewer outdoor games than 89 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals have. The Cardinals have played the most amount, 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: and it helps when you play in a dome yourself. 91 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: But then you go and a lot of your in 92 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 3: your division you're gonna play so far, they're gonna be 93 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: inside a stadium. You played Houston, that's inside a dome. 94 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: So I'm pretty sure it's the Cardinals and the Raiders 95 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: have been the two teams that played the fewest amount 96 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: of outdoor games. But the Raiders they're not playing an 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: outdoor game in Cincinnati, and you know, late December like 98 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are. The Raiders were in Philly last week 99 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 3: and I don't recall what the temperature was there, but 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: that's neither here or there. If it does rain, or 101 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: even if it doesn't rain, it's gonna be something different 102 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 3: that this Cardinals team is gonna have to think about. 103 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Cardinals last played outdoors at Tampa Bay. Whether it was 104 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: pretty nice, they played in Seattle, whether it was pretty nice. 105 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: They played in San Francisco all the way back in 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: Week three, whether it was pretty nice, so again, this 107 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: could be the potential for the first quote unquote bad 108 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: weather game. Now bad news on the injury front. There's 109 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: some good news as well, but we'll go with the 110 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: bad news. First, three players have been ruled out. Harris 111 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: Johnson is gonna miss his third straight game. Buddha Baker 112 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: not cleared concussion protocol. He's already been ruled out. In 113 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Key Tro Clark dealing with back issue. He will not 114 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: play on Sunday. Some good news though, because Max Melton 115 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: has been on the practice field this week. He's missed 116 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: the past four games dealing with that heel issue. Jalen 117 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Thompson has been limited in practice this week after missing 118 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: the past two games with a hand string injury. So 119 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: you lose Buddha, potentially gain JT, lose Key Trail, potentially 120 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: get Max back on the field. 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: And that's why you have depth, and considering this team 122 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 3: has been truly tested with their depth, it's times like 123 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: this where yeah, the injury bug has certainly taken over, 124 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: but it's good to know that you have starting experience 125 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: that could potentially be returning to the lineup and not 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: like you need to necessarily make a ton of practice 127 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: squad elevations to try to fill in those roles. The 128 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: Cardinals did sign a cornerback and Kaylin King from the 129 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: Carolina practice squad, so they added some more to the 130 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 3: active fifty three man roster. You also have Darren Hall 131 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: who's been progressing through concussion protocol, so that's another member 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: of the secondary that might be making his return. But 133 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: you have to look at the secondary because we know 134 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: how much this Cardinals team does. Nick Rolis scheme defense 135 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 3: utilizes the safeties and Rabbit Taylor Dimerson making his return 136 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: last week after missing the five games was huge and 137 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: there's a reason why he finished as the leading tackler 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: with eleven last week because of his ability to fly around. 139 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: Not having Buddha Baker out there that is certainly a 140 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: big hit. He's your, you know, your seven straight Pro 141 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: bowler at the safety position, so not having him out 142 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: there certainly is a blow. But Jadet making his return, 143 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 3: if he's healthy enough to do so, it'll be good. 144 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: It'll be a nice compliment to Rabbit Taylor Dimmerson versus 145 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: potentially having Rabbit being the one guy out there and 146 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: potentially pairing him up with a Keaton Crawford, for. 147 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: Example, Rabbit played ninety seven percent of the defensive snaps 148 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: last week. It was Keaton Crawford who came in when 149 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker missed those eleven snaps in the game against 150 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: the Falcons. And then you take a look at the corners, 151 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: a lot of Will Johnson, a lot of Denzel Burke, 152 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: Jaden Davis who was a practice squad elevation last week. 153 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Does he get the call again to be that third 154 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: corner or is that third corner of Max Melton or 155 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: is more Max special teams because that's what Keith Traill 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: played last week was all special team. 157 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: Well, we know Max Melon typically is still a part 158 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: of the special teams unit. I remember writing an article 159 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: last season about about Max Melton and just his love 160 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: for special teams as a gunner because he said that 161 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 3: as a defensive player, you want to pin him back 162 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: as far as possible so it helps you out as 163 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: a dB. And that's something that this coaching staff does 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: heavily talk about, is the importance of special teams, especially 165 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: those kick return punt return coverages. So depending on the role, 166 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 3: I'm sure we will still see Max Melon out there 167 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: on a special team's role if he's healthy. 168 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Enough to return. 169 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: The bigger question is going to be is he going 170 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: to be also playing cornerback and if so, how many 171 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: snaps out there? But I asked coach Jonathan Gannon about 172 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: Jaden Davis earlier in the week and just his appreciation 173 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: for what Jaden has been going through. He was brought 174 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: in as a seventh round pick last year, was the 175 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: byproduct of a bunch of roster gymnastics. He was cut, 176 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: he had the injury during training camp, was released on 177 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: the injury settlement, came back, you know, bounced around off 178 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: the practice squad a little bit, then had his first 179 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: taste of action out there, and it was cool because 180 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: Fanatics has the thing with the NFL that every player 181 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: before their debut game, they have the patch just as 182 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: the rookie premiere patch on it and you'll see every 183 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: now and then a player that'll be wearing that patch. 184 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: You don't see a lot of guys that were drafted 185 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: beyond this year that are wearing that patch. But you 186 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: saw Jaden Davis in the game last week, and for 187 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: him to be out on the field and to be 188 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: making big time plays, and Johnathan again and said, looked 189 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: really solid out there. Had some pretty good moments. It's 190 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: a testament to his player development. It's something that JG 191 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: said that this team needs to improve on going into 192 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: the offseason and something he's going to heavily focus on 193 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: next season. I'm interested to see what that'll be. But 194 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: it was good to see Jaden out there. 195 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: His NFL debut last week. Talking about Jaden Davis and 196 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: a lot of attension on the on the secondary period, 197 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: but specifically on the cornerback because you look at this 198 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: matchup against the Bengals, and yeah, Joe Burrow is the quarterback, 199 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: but it's who he's throwing to. Jamar Chase and T Higgins, 200 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: two of the best wide receivers period, let alone having 201 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: them both on the same team, and what do you do. 202 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: Do you follow to trail or is it hey, we're 203 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: gonna keep try to keep everything in front of us. 204 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: You pray because those are what those guys could do. 205 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they're two of the best duos. They're the 206 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: best duo possibly in the NFL. You could put Ceedee 207 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: Lamb and George Pickins up there, but I think outside 208 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: of that, it's probably one A, one B between those 209 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: two duos out there, especially when you have a healthy 210 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: or a healthy enough Joe Burrow to be able to 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: spread the rock around fairly and evenly so will Johnson 212 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: Denzel Burker. If it is Max Mellan. 213 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 3: Or Jaden Davis, they're gonna have their work cutout for 214 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: them because they're not gonna have Buddha Baker in the 215 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: deep secondary that's gonna be able to help them out. 216 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how much double double coverage they 217 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: will see because your middle linebacker group has also been 218 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: pretty banged up, so you can't leave it wide open 219 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: for Mike Sicki or Mitchell Tinsley in the slot. It's 220 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: going to be an interesting battle for this Cardinals defense. 221 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: Last week, Jamar Chase nine receptions on eleven targets for 222 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: one hundred and nine yards. He's the most targeted player 223 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: in the league seconds in receptions, fourth and receiving yards. 224 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: Anti Higgins tied for the third most touchdown catches among 225 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 3: pass catchers. And I went back on Bengals dot Com 226 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: just in preparation for our call with Jeff, they had 227 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 3: a video highlight of Jamar Chase's last game against the 228 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals when before the game he was talking about 229 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 3: how he wasn't getting enough receptions, and he said, I'm 230 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: always open. And then that twenty twenty three season, the 231 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals came to town and they Jamar Chase showed 232 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: why he is always open in a lot of ways 233 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: and put up record numbers. He called it his get 234 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: back game, and that was kind of a trend throughout 235 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: that twenty to twenty three season of a lot of 236 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: teams utilizing the Cardinals and their lack of talent at 237 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: that point in part of the first stage of the rebuild, 238 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: that this was going through as a get right game. Well, 239 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: this is going to be a very different secondary than 240 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: the one Jamar faced last time. 241 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: Bengals won that meeting in twenty twenty three, thirty four 242 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: to twenty. Cardinals won the most recent meeting in Cincinnati 243 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, twenty six to twenty three. Again, 244 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: eleven am on Sunday is the kickoff. All right, let's 245 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: dive further into this matchup. As mentioned off the top, Zach, 246 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: you and I had the chance to speak with Jeff Hobson, 247 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: senior rider for Bengals dot Com. Here now is our conversation. 248 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: So neither team Jeff is having the season they expected. 249 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: But last week in Miami, was that the type of 250 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: performance that the Bengals, especially offensively anticipated this season. 251 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's certainly why I picked him to go thirteen 252 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 4: to four. You know, I think, you know, people kind 253 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: of you know, they should go through it. You forget, 254 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 4: didn't have a Borough for eight games. They haven't had 255 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: their best defensive player, Trey Hendrickson for for most of 256 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 4: the year, and they had a new defensive scheme and 257 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 4: they and they paid the price for everything, you know, 258 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 4: I mean, that's the league. You can't get away with anything. 259 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: And so but I tell you they're they're certainly they 260 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: continue to put up no matter who's been a quarterback, 261 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 4: Flaco or Burrow, whether Flaco had you know, no days 262 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 4: of practice or Borrow had a training camp, run the room. 263 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: They've put up numbers, you know, and the big quick 264 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 4: you know, so there's no question about the offense. And 265 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: the offense has not in the In the offense given 266 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 4: a quarterback problems they've been solved all year. And now 267 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: the defenses, you know, they struggled so badly early, you know, 268 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: since the buy, the six games since the buy, they're 269 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: you know, they're finally using that magic word complementary football. 270 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: How much because you mentioned, you know, the amount of 271 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: times they've been throwing the football, I know that statistically 272 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 3: they're definitely up there. I'm pretty sure that their second 273 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: and most passing yards in the NFL at least since 274 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 3: Joe Flacco came to town. How much of that has 275 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: just been because they're so far behind in games that 276 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: you're you're kind of in those known passing situations kind 277 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: of similar to what the Cardinals are dealing with Jakobe said, 278 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: Is that a fair assessment? 279 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: No, No, that's their system, their pass first h you know, 280 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: I think the amazing thing about Joe Burrow's year last year, 281 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: in his seventy uh and in his seventy percent pass 282 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: was you know, they led the league and passes attempted. 283 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: So this is what they do. They throw the ball, 284 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: and they throw the ball. Whether it's Joe Flacco, which 285 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 4: no days a practice or Joe Burrow who's sixty nine 286 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: days off the surgery, snow rain, whatever, they're gonna throw, 287 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: you know, and that's you know, and they they should 288 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: they get the good they get the first receiving him 289 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: the league in jamat Chasin T. Higgins they got a 290 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: wonderful tight end piece and Mike Seki and who was 291 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 4: there for a while too for a month m plus 292 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: Chase Brown has really developed into two way threat, you know, 293 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: out of the back. You know, he's scored two touchdowns 294 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 4: receiving last week in Miami to go along with a 295 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 4: rushing touchdown, So you know they've got the uh and 296 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: in their offensive line. You know, since flat goes in here, 297 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 4: they've only given up sixteen sacks, which they make the 298 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 4: league since Week six, so you know, they throw it 299 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: and they've detected. 300 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: So when the Bengals offense is looking at this Cardinals 301 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: defense and they see that opponents have been able to 302 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: score forty points in two of the last three weeks, 303 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: is that one of those things where Joe Burrow's kind 304 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: of just rubbing his hands together getting ready to go, 305 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: knowing that he has an opportunity to kind of capitalize 306 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: on exactly what you're talking about. 307 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: Borrow's always rubbing his hands together. I mean, this guy, 308 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: he's a different kind of competitor. Now. I don't know 309 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: how many guys in the world could have come back 310 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: from what he did and been so and been so good, 311 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: you know, like I said he had the toe surgery, 312 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: you know what, late September, and you know he's it's 313 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 4: gonna be his fifth game back, you know, and he's 314 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: coming back chucking, so he's you know, he's he doesn't 315 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 4: really matter who's over there. You know, I'm sure they've 316 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 4: taken note of Arizona, but you know, I'm sure that 317 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 4: they've taken note of the Bengals on defense too. That 318 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 4: for the stretch, they gave up a lot of points too. 319 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 4: So I don't you know, if anybody is rubbing their hands, 320 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 4: it's not because of the other team. It's because that's 321 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 4: how they're wired. 322 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: On the topic of the two wide receivers Jamar Chase 323 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Anti Higgins, how have you seen team defensively kind of 324 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: handle those two guys. You're not going to stop them, 325 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: but at least try to slow them down so they're 326 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: not wrecking games individually. 327 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. I mean, you know, 328 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: you can, like in the red zone, you can see it. 329 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: Most teams double double, you know, and that's why you 330 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 4: see guys like Iseki and Chase Brown. They'll score back, 331 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: did you know They'll they'll score in there. They're good 332 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: targets in there and they've been running the and they've 333 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: been running the ball. They don't run the ball a 334 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 4: hell of a lot, but when they do run it again, 335 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 4: I go back to that stretch to the game with Flacco. 336 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: They've got as good as you know, they've they've got 337 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 4: a top ten yards per Chase Brown is one of 338 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: the only eight backs in the league in that stretch 339 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 4: carrying five yards per So that's a lot of it. 340 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: When they do they do, they do double double, they do, 341 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 4: they probably do more double. If Flacco said this, he's 342 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: never seen I mean he's been playing eight damn eighteen 343 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 4: years now, and he said he's never seen the type 344 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 4: of coverages that Chasing Higgins draw, you know, And so 345 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 4: that's why I got to keep an eye with these 346 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 4: other guys. I mean, yoshah, this is number eighty. The 347 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: third wide receiver is a dangerous down the scene, you know, 348 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 4: and he's you know, all his touchdowns are red zone 349 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 4: touchdowns throughout his career. And that's why, because he's got 350 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: these guys, they pay him so much attention. But you know, 351 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 4: as you saw last I mean as you saw yesterday 352 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: on Sunday, Fellows, I'm sure you guys, Sorry you know, 353 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: Higgins makes the big play early and that's uh, that's 354 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 4: just a jump ball that you could design anything for that. 355 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: And then later in the game, jamais double teamed. Joe 356 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 4: throws it and he might have thrown it, you know, 357 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 4: he might have thrown it underneath him, maybe for a purpose, 358 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: but but because you knew, But Jamal went back, double 359 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: double coven went back and got it. So these guys 360 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: are rare enough, doesn't really, I mean, I mean, even 361 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 4: double teams, Joe was still going, you know, because they know, 362 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 4: you know, he'll put it the only place where he 363 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 4: can catch it. It's a dangerous way to live. And 364 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: in some games this season, you know, they've they've suffered 365 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: the pick six when the ball is not there where 366 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 4: it's supposed to be. But more often than not, Uh, 367 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: he's finding those guys in. 368 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: The right spot, flipping over to the defensive side of 369 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: the ball. Obviously, Al Golden comes to town. What has 370 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: this defense? In what ways has he might have provided 371 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: a spark or in what ways should What is the 372 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: first thing that Jacoby Brissett is going to be seeing 373 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: once he trots out there. 374 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 4: That's a good question, Forsett. This is about the different 375 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: time we've seen Brissette throughout his career. I think we're 376 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: two and two against him. He's got wins as a 377 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 4: as a Cleveland Brown and as a cult and I 378 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 4: think the uh and and he beat them as a patriot. 379 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 4: I think what Brissette's gonna see is I think he'll 380 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 4: see a little bit of pression. They've been they've been 381 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 4: blitzing well. I think al held off up on pressuring 382 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 4: teams because they're so young, you know, But I think 383 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 4: they're starting to, uh, you know, they're starting to click now. 384 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: They you know, they're late in the year. They should 385 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 4: be picking up the scheme they have. I think they're 386 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 4: pressure and more. I think, you know, kind of an 387 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: interesting move. I believe it's a former Arizona cardinal, perhaps 388 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: Jalen Davis Nickel corner. Briefly. I think he was with 389 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 4: the Caditals way back and when Cam Taylor frickcut hurt, 390 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: they put him in Nickel, they put uh and and 391 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 4: he selped. I think he selfed the rookie linebackers Demetrius 392 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: Knight and bad Cutter, and I'm sure those are the 393 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: two guys percent will like to use his experience and 394 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 4: act them because like most rookies, you know, they've been 395 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 4: up and down. Davis in the slot kind of gave 396 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 4: them some ballast, stabilized them a little bit. They've been 397 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 4: getting terrific years on the outside corner. DJ turn of 398 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 4: the second I felt because he should have been a 399 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: flo I feel he should have been all pro. I 400 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 4: think he got flat out snuff. He's been terrific. Dak 401 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: Field has been right behind the deck. Fields are very 402 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 4: versatile player. Both guys are four to three guys and uh, 403 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: but I think Davis coming in and stabilize them a 404 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 4: little bit in third down and passing situations. I think 405 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 4: Knight and Cad are playing better. You know, uh, they 406 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 4: hopefully they'll have Joseph o'said they didn't have him last game. 407 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 4: Didn't seem to bother. You know that there are two 408 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 4: top sackers or Henderson and Oside. They didn't have either, 409 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 4: and they still pressure the rookie quarterback or Persett. He's 410 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 4: no rookie. So this is going to be a totally 411 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 4: different deal than Miamily than Miami. This Persett is a 412 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: is a veteran guy's exact opposite of what they faced 413 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 4: last week in yours who was making his first NFL 414 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: start Jacoby's making who knows, I mean, you know, yeah, 415 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 4: there it is, there it is, and uh, you know, 416 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 4: so it's gonna be a whole different assignment. And I'm 417 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: sure Jacoby is going to be taking and you know 418 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: he's gonna be taking a look at those rookie backers. 419 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at Jalen Davis twenty nineteen to twenty twenty 420 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals, the other corner that you talked about. 421 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm just curious just looking at numbers what DJ Turner 422 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: has done this season and compared to his first two seasons, 423 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: is again, is it clicking in year three? Just as 424 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: far as the passes, defense and how many times he's 425 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: gotten his hands on football's. 426 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 4: Well, guys, you really started playing like this last year. 427 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 4: But he really came out and had a hell of 428 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 4: a sophomore year. Nobody knew about it because he get 429 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 4: hurt them, and so I think that he picked up 430 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: where he left off the after he get hurt. And 431 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 4: not only I think it's the intables. Two guys. I mean, 432 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: he's fast. He's the fastest guy in his combine in 433 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, had a four point twenty six. He 434 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: can run, but he can He's really worked on this technique. 435 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 4: The cornerbacks coach Jeff Burt has done a great job 436 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 4: with him at the proper run. And he's you know, 437 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 4: said he's got his hand, he's got his hands. He 438 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: was leading in the league and pats his defense, but 439 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: I think he still is. He's got his hands on 440 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 4: seventeen balls and you know, I think it's sad. He's 441 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 4: also become a leader there. They've had a change on defense. 442 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 4: Really they lost the captain, one of the captains, they 443 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 4: traded Logan Wilson. They haven't had Hendrickson. They've been really 444 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 4: young and a guy like Turner, a third year guy, 445 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: he's really stepped in and I think he's along with 446 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 4: Jordan Battle, the third year of safety, and Dak Sill, 447 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 4: who's a fourth year corner. I think they, you know, 448 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: they've they've kind of emerged as leaders of a change, 449 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 4: you know, the new look defense. 450 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: Cardinals at the Bengals on Sunday. It's an eleven am 451 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: kickoff Arizona Time. Jeff, always appreciate the time and great information, 452 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: and thank you and happy holidays here this season and 453 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: enjoy what I think is going to be a very 454 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: busy offseason for both teams. 455 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 4: Always great to be with Darren Urban's club and he 456 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 4: always does an all the job. You guys do a 457 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 4: great job, and I'm sure we'll bump into each other 458 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 4: at the combine and league meetings and the happy holidays 459 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: and everyone in the desert. 460 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: The og Jeff Hobson for Bengals dot Com one of 461 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: the originals, if not the original team site reporters that 462 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: moved from newspaper to the dot com, joining I'll say 463 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: it our boss Darren Urban a few years later, Trailblazers. 464 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: This is what they are. You can follow Jeff's work 465 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: at Jeff Hobson. Ci N does a great job covering 466 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: the Bengals. And again, these are two teams that their 467 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: seasons are done after Week eighteen. But you take a 468 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: look at what happened last week in Miami. This Bengals team, 469 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow is going to play these final two games. 470 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: He sees no reason for sitting and maybe it's just 471 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: again not the momentum, but the confidence going into next season. 472 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: You hope the Cardinals feel the same way with these 473 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: final two games on the road. Hey, forget momentum as 474 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: a team, but individuals, how do you feel going into 475 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: the offseason into twenty twenty six. 476 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: We talked about it a ton of heading into this week, 477 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 3: that this is not the preview of the matchup that 478 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: we are necessarily expecting in a lot of ways, because 479 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 3: we thought that this could be a really meaningful game 480 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 3: in December and within the standings, and unfortunately that's not 481 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: the case. But this team, both teams have playoff talent 482 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 3: on both sides of the ball. It's just injuries that 483 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: have been able to derail them. So you have to 484 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: hope that whatever sort of confidence you're able to gain 485 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 3: from this sort of matchup, it could propel you deep 486 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: into the season or deep into the offseason. And the 487 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: Cardinals case, they still have and I know I'm looking 488 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: ahead here, they still have a divisional matchup and it'll 489 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: be interesting to see what the Rams do and who 490 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: they end up trotting out there on the field. That's 491 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: so far, But if you're able to play two really 492 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: strong games to end your season, it could do you 493 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 3: wonders going into February and March. 494 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: And two very very very good quarterbacks, two very very 495 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: good wide receiver rooms again in Week eighteen. We'll see 496 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: what the Rams decide to do a year ago. In 497 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: Week eighteen, even with seeding as a possibility, the Rams 498 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: rested a lot of players they already knew that they 499 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: were in the postseason, had no chance to get in 500 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: that number one seed, so they rested guys in their 501 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: final game of the regular season. 502 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 3: And it's a possibility, a likely possibility, that that does 503 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: happen again because we know Sean McVay style. 504 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: One of their notes on this particular matchup Cardinals and Bengals, 505 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: because it was a talking point last week in the 506 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: game against the Falcons, and how do you handle Bijon Robinson. Well, 507 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: Chase Brown is not quite Bijon Robinson as far as 508 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: numbers are concerned, but he is a running back that 509 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: has been very capable of catching the ball out of 510 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: the backfield or even lining up as a wide receiver. 511 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: He is the third most targeted player on the Bengals. 512 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: So you've got Jamar Chase T Higgins, and then, oh, 513 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: by the way, Chase Brown. Don't lose sight of him. 514 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: Even though all the attention is on the wide receivers 515 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: on either side, You'll see a lot of option routes 516 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: from Chase Brown. He seems to find a lot of 517 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: open gaps within the defense. And it's not necessarily deep 518 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: completions that he'll get from Joey b but it'll be 519 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: those four yard completions that he's able to stretch to 520 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: twelve just because he's able to shake off tacklers. He 521 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: is a very dynamic runner, shifty runner. So he's somebody 522 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals had their hands full with Bijon Robinson last week. 523 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: Cannot forget about what those lessons were that you took 524 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: away from Bejon because you're about to face another really 525 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: solid back that is used in multiple different ways within 526 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: the rushing attack game, within the passing game, first three 527 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: touchdown game of his career. Talking about Chase Brown last 528 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: week in Miami, it's pretty good. Two touchdown catches and 529 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: a touchdown run. Seven times in the last ten games, 530 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: Chase Brown has had at least one hundred yards from 531 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: scrimmage in the pass and run game. So how do 532 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: you handle him? Well, it'd be good to have some 533 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: more depth along the defensive line room without Walter Nolan, LG. 534 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: Collier is back. He has officially been added to the 535 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: fifty three man roster that happened on Wednesday and on 536 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: Sunday for the first time since week two, we will 537 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: see LJ in action. You can tell he was excited 538 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: speaking to me. Maybe I hope it's to me. It's 539 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: just everyone gets excited speaking to you. 540 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: Well, that is that is fair. I wonder where your 541 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: excitement is. Then if that is the case, I'm here, 542 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 3: so don't get fined. 543 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: There we go. 544 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 3: That's right, straight straight out of the NFC lessel with 545 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 3: that common right there. 546 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: I went to the locker room on Thursday. 547 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 3: I had to go wish the guys, you know, a 548 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: happy holidays, and I went up and I started talking 549 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: to LJ for a story I'm gonna have on ezycardinals 550 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: dot com featuring him and running back Corey Kiner, who 551 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: could touch on in a little bit. But about just 552 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: I know I mentioned earlier meaningful games in December and 553 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: within the standings, this is not one of them for 554 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: the Cardinals. Let's just call for either team, let's just 555 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: call it like it is. But for a lot of 556 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: these players, there's still a ton to play for. 557 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: It's funny. 558 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: JG was asked earlier in the week, what gives you 559 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: confidence that the guys are gonna have motivations to get 560 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: back out there, and JG said, they're pros, they're ultimate 561 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: pro so they're going. 562 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: To do it. 563 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: And in a lot of ways, yes, they are pros, 564 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: but this is their livelihoods that are on the line here. 565 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: In LJ. 566 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: Collier's case, we know in twenty twenty three when the 567 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: Cardinals brought him in in that second game of the year, 568 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: tore his bysep and was done for the season, and 569 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: we weren't sure if LJ was gonna come back or not. 570 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: He came back on a one year deal, played pretty 571 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: solid another year where the defensive line was very banged up. 572 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: You lost Justin Jones, you lost Ballal Nichols for the 573 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: season you really had, and you lost Darius Robinson for 574 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 3: a large part of his rookie year. You really had 575 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: Roy Lopez and LJ. Collier and Dante Stills as your 576 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: three defensive linemen and that was about it with na 577 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: Kwon Jones as well. This year, LJ is expecting a 578 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: bigger role because of the way that the Cardinals are 579 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 3: able to have that rotation. Walter and Nowen the third 580 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: is done for the beginning half of the season, Ljkllier 581 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 3: in the second game injures his knee and he was 582 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 3: done for a large part of it, and he was 583 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: only here on a one year contract. So I asked 584 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: LJ about how important it was to get back to 585 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 3: playing this year, and he was saying to me it 586 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: was incredibly important because in the next few weeks they're 587 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 3: going to have to have contract negotiations if the Cardinals 588 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: are going to end up bringing it back, if LG 589 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: wants to come back, the two sides are going to 590 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: have to have some discussions and negotiations here. He said 591 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: that by returning this year and by hopefully playing really 592 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 3: strong in these two games, he not only hopes to 593 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: return to the winning waves, because the Cardinals were two 594 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: and zero when he was out there on the field. 595 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: He wants to return to the winning ways, but he 596 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: said he also wants to control the narrative so that 597 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: when the conversations do happen between his agency and many 598 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: austin for it, they get to say, look what's out there. 599 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: So these two. 600 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: Games are going to be very meaningful for guys like LJ. 601 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: And I think it says a lot about the person 602 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: and the player that LJ came back as opposed to 603 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: just all right, I'm going to shut it down, make 604 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: sure I'm one hundred percent healthy going into one off 605 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: season free agency and be healthy. But important to him 606 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: show maybe himself, show others other teams that yeah, the 607 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: knee is fine despite me not being available since Week two. 608 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: Keep in mind a year ago going into free agency, 609 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: Collier was the first free agent signing, and it happened 610 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: ahead of when that window was open for teams to 611 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: talk to other free agents. Collier made the decision. Well, first, 612 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: the Cardinals made the decision, and then Collier said yes 613 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: to come back. So wouldn't surprise me if we don't 614 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: see LJ. Collier back in the building next year. Yeah. 615 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 3: I spoke with LJ last year in training camp and 616 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 3: I asked him about those conversations and he said by 617 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 3: the time the year ended, he had conversations with Nick 618 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: Rowis and Jonathan Gannon about their desire to want to 619 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: make sure that he returns and they ended up doing that. 620 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: So even though the injury was a factor, they liked 621 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: what he was able to do. We were just talking 622 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: about it before the podcast began, about the need for 623 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 3: good culture. Guys will also the need to make sure 624 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: that you have the talent there. LJ has been a 625 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 3: very solid rotational piece along that defensive line when healthy, 626 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 3: and he's a good guy in the locker room a 627 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 3: lot of the players. He's joking around, he's always dancing, 628 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: he's having a good time. And when I asked him 629 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 3: about just these last few months, he bunched it in 630 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: together with just the last two years and said, look, 631 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: it's been rough dealing with all these injuries. But I 632 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: try to be a positive guy, and I try to 633 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: be there for my teammates. And even though I was hurt, 634 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: I tried being around everybody and trying to support everybody. 635 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 3: I saw a lot of different things from being on 636 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 3: the sidelines here, I feel I have the ability to 637 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: help these guys return back to the win column. Now 638 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 3: I understand the fans might be looking a little bit 639 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: ahead to the draft already draft positioning. I'm sorry, bird Gang, 640 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 3: I could tell you this with one hundred percent of effect. 641 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 3: A guy like LJ. Kyllier is not necessarily focused on 642 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: where the Cardinals are going to be in the draft order, 643 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 3: because there's nothing better than flying from the state of 644 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: Ohio back to Arizona on the plane back knowing your 645 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 3: team just came away with the victory. So that's what 646 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 3: the plan is going to be this week. And for 647 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 3: a guy like Corey Kiner, he's returning home and he's 648 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: just got his first taste of NFL action about two games. 649 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: About two games ago, he was on the forty nine 650 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: ers practice squad. He bounced around a little bit, was 651 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 3: not able to wear that rookie patch that we were 652 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: talking about, that debut patch that we were talking about 653 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: with Jaden Davis. Up until two games ago, he was 654 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: mister Ohio in the state of mister football in the 655 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: state of Ohio. Rather during his senior year of high school, 656 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: played at the University of Cincinnati for the first time. 657 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: His family's going to be able to watch him in 658 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 3: action this week. So games like that are why they're 659 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: all that much more meaningful for the players in this building. 660 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: You talk about opportunity, and Corey Kiner is getting an 661 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: opportunity because what's happened in that running back room and 662 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: all the injuries, and it hasn't been a lot of 663 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: opportunity for Corey. But he did get six carries for 664 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: thirty two yards last week against the Falcons. Does he 665 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: get more or do you ride the hot hand? What's 666 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: the status Amri demccado, who didn't see a lot of 667 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: action in his return last week, And of course Michael 668 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: Carter continues to impress each of the past two weeks, 669 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: getting seasoned best in rushing yards. But you like those stories, 670 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 1: especially late in the season where maybe people start looking ahead. 671 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 1: For a guy like Corey Kinner, it's no in the present, 672 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: because I need to show that I am capable of 673 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: handling life in the NFL and be not just available 674 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: but productive when your number gets called, and maybe have 675 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: a future, whether that's here or somewhere else. 676 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 3: Certainly, and I think that right there is the most 677 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 3: important factor of this. He wants to show this Cardinals team, 678 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: especially to make a roster for training camp and say 679 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 3: look because after this season, because he's on the fifty 680 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: three man roster, once his homess the Cardinals resigned him 681 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: to some sort of deal, he's gonna end up becoming 682 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 3: a free agent if I'm not mistaken. So with that 683 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 3: being said, you want to show these guys why they 684 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 3: should have the confidence to bring you back and be 685 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: around the building for OTA's pick up as much as 686 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 3: you can, considering he was a late season acquisition, weren't 687 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 3: as much as possible so that you could vuy for 688 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 3: a four spot on the fifty three man roster down 689 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: the line. 690 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: Love the fact that his family is going to be 691 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 1: able to watch Corey Kiner play. 692 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 3: He said his parents were went to some of his games, 693 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: but for the first time, it's going to be you know, 694 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 3: the other people in his extended family that's going to 695 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 3: get to watch him out there. He played a game, 696 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure, he said it was his sophomore year 697 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 3: of college when he was at the University of Cincinnati 698 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 3: at pay Court Stadium, so he has some experience running 699 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 3: around on that turf to kind of swing it all 700 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 3: back full circle. But this is going to be a 701 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 3: totally different experience when he's gonna be wearing the Cardinal 702 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 3: red versus the Cincinnati red that he had out there. 703 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: Of course, officially Cardinals are wearing their white uniforms. But 704 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: I understand, totally get what you're saying. Wait to just 705 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: shoot down my never mind, very fair. 706 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 3: I just want to make sure people understand that the 707 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 3: icy whites in the cold of Cincinnati, although high sixties, 708 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 3: is not. 709 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: Really all cold and rain potentially on Sunday. 710 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: And then that might make it a little bit colder. 711 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 3: Just yeah, no, gross, but hopefully not, hopefully not. 712 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: Eleven am is the kickoff. Six thirty am pregame coverage begins. Zach, 713 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 1: make sure your alarm is set. It's the final time now, 714 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: it's the final time that you have to worry about 715 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: an early start to Cardinals early bird. I guess that's right. Wow, 716 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: And I know all season long you've not missed a 717 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: single episode. 718 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 3: Well, we haven't had many East Coast games anyway, so 719 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 3: it's not like the clock has been a factor. 720 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we've had the chance to sleep a little bit. Okay, good, Well, 721 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: we'll let you go take a nap now, so you're 722 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: ready for Sunday, just to get into hibernation now. Yeah, 723 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: you know you've worked hard. You worked Thursday. I didn't. 724 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: You're a lot more tired than I am. So you 725 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: can take that Friday afternoon nap. 726 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 3: If that's your blessing, I'll do it. I will go 727 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 3: take my nap right now. We'll see if that gets 728 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: approved from the higher ups. Probably not, go ahead and 729 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: try it. Probably not, As the headline behind you says 730 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: to whom and make concern. I will send that as 731 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 3: part of my message. 732 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: Well done. On that note, we will put a lid 733 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by a 734 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,720 Speaker 1: Hundai pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special 735 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: thanks to our executive producer jim Mo Mohunre, our associate 736 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: producer Coddy Fincher. For Zach Kirshman, I'm Craig Raylu. We'll 737 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two