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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who gets face scan cut into needs to seek

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Speaker 2: manual lymphatic drainage period. And I like working with post

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Speaker 2: ops because for me, I get reamazed. It blows my

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Speaker 2: mind every time how somebody will walk in like this

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Speaker 2: and then after one session they're.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh my gosh, I'm a Cristy again.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 1: or a fresh perspective. If you have any AHA moments

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 4: women like you.

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Speaker 5: We're your hosts.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Dominique Brussard, a college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 2: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker. In a

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Speaker 2: world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please

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Speaker 2: join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from fibroids,

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Speaker 2: to fake friends, and create a safe space where black

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Speaker 2: women can just be. All right, lady, today, we have

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Speaker 2: a very special guest. She's going to help you get

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Speaker 2: your mind, body, and spirit together. So listen up, lady.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Emily Butts is a visionary occupational therapist and certified lymphidema therapist.

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Speaker 2: She's committed to transforming the way women approach their health

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Speaker 2: through lymphatic care. With a deep commitment to holistic wellness.

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Speaker 2: Emily has dedicated her career to empowering women to take

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Speaker 2: control of their health. Driven by her passion for proactive care,

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Speaker 2: she founded Integrate Lymphatic Care Practice. Here she specializes in

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Speaker 2: supporting women with conditions like life edema and lymphedema, as

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Speaker 2: well as providing post surgical care. There is so much

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Speaker 2: more that we could say about Emily the lady.

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Speaker 5: We're going to let you learn more about her and

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Speaker 5: her words.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Emily, welcome to cultivating her space.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so happy to be here. Yeah, you're so welcome.

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Speaker 4: We are definitely looking forward to this conversation as it's

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Speaker 4: an area that we and a topic that we haven't

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Speaker 4: looking forward to learning so much. Our quote of the day, So, Emily,

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Speaker 4: our quote of the day will sound very familiar to

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Speaker 4: you because it's.

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Speaker 5: A part of your bio on your website.

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Speaker 4: And it's the words that you said have guided you

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Speaker 4: and brought you into this work. So these words the

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Speaker 4: quote of the day comes from one of our favorites,

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Speaker 4: Bell Hooks. Rarely, if ever, are any of us healed

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Speaker 4: in isolation. Healing is an act of communion. And I'm

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Speaker 5: Make sure you heard it.

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Speaker 4: Rarely, if ever are any of us healed in isolation?

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Speaker 4: Healing is an act of communion. Yes, So really, when

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Speaker 4: you hear that quote, like what inspired what for you?

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Speaker 5: What is the inspiration behind that quote for you?

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Speaker 3: So the inspiration behind that quote for me is, first of.

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Speaker 2: All, I love Biale Hooks and just her approach on relationships.

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Speaker 3: And how to be in them and how to be

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Speaker 2: And when I think about my growth and my expansion,

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Speaker 2: it has been within community and it's.

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Speaker 3: Been within partnership right.

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Speaker 2: And so for me as a wellness practitioner, it's really

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Speaker 2: important for women people in general, but women know that

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Speaker 2: they're not designed to do this alone, right, and so

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Speaker 2: you know, who don't want to hold on to them.

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Speaker 2: But once you get to that level, what's next, Let's

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Speaker 2: push you forward, Let's get you to the next level

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Speaker 2: so you can continue to be a master of your body,

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, and then you develop, you connect with another communion,

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking about the topic of today, right, So

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Speaker 3: We're we're waiting until the disease process starts, and we

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Speaker 2: So, the lymphatic system is the immune system. It's a

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Speaker 2: However, we go into the office, number our words, the

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Speaker 2: isn't individualized. You know, you're coming from a parts perspective

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Speaker 3: Right, So, we need.

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Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Okay, there's so okay. There are so many

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Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what that means. Like I've heard

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: A lot of practitioners who work in this field they

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Speaker 3: Our lymph system. They use that to identify what the

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Speaker 2: But it's way more than that, right however, it is,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do this. We have a superficial lymphatic

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Speaker 2: So it's the interesting thing when you see a picture

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Speaker 2: They injected mercury in a cadaver, and the lymphatic vessels

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Speaker 4: That helped, Yes, it did, and now I have more questions.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I think there's It depends so if you're

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Speaker 3: There's really only six schools that really teach it.

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Speaker 2: If you have a congestive heart failure, which creates swelling

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Speaker 2: If you have kidney failure and you have a lot

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Speaker 2: But besides that, it's just searching, seeing who's out there.

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Speaker 3: But besides, besides that, if they didn't go.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So the benefits are the benefits are that there's

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Speaker 2: However, it is when you go to the research scientifically

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Speaker 3: So have you heard of vaguel turn tony or vage nerve? Right?

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Speaker 3: It's not that it kicks in. It can It can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't excite the parasympathetic system to work. But what

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Speaker 5: To calm is there, right, Okay, calm.

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Speaker 5: It could take a little bit of time.

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Speaker 3: Ping. Yes, if you're not pin, I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: ten times in. You're a fluid movement. We are detoxifying

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Speaker 2: your body. So if you're not peing after a manuallymphatic

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Speaker 3: Are you drinking enough water?

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Speaker 2: Because to me, that might signify dehydration, right, sluggish.

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Speaker 3: Because what happens is what limp fluid.

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Speaker 2: Is primarily like it moves because of water, right. It

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Speaker 3: Right. However, if you don't have enough.

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Speaker 2: Water, how is it gonna move through the canals, How

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Speaker 3: So when people are not peen.

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned because we need to get you hydrated right right,

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Speaker 2: other things that is indicating healing, bringing collagen forward to

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Speaker 2: healing so there is right now. I have a client

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Speaker 2: I've never seen such a clean scar in my life

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Speaker 3: Right, but she has this clean line.

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Speaker 2: Because I started literally two days after her surgery. Wow,

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Speaker 3: But I mean that's just an example so healing.

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Speaker 2: Like so research for cosmetic surgery and manual lymphatic drainage,

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Speaker 2: And I like working with post ops because for me,

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Speaker 2: And I mean there are so many other benefits autoimmunity.

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Speaker 2: Right, So people dealing with dry I were getting this

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Speaker 2: When I was doing her facial lymphatic drainage, I was

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Speaker 2: So wow, yes, yes, yes, arthritis. My mother in law

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Speaker 2: We try to just maintain where it's at. Right, so

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Speaker 2: it's indicated for fibromyalgia. And then the direction I'm going

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Speaker 3: This is the direction, this is where I'm really passionate.

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Speaker 2: Right, So anyone who's had lymph no removal from surgery,

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Speaker 3: Guess what it can happen later on in life.

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Speaker 2: So if you start getting your regular manual lymphatic drainage

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Speaker 5: How to do self MLD, then.

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Speaker 2: You can prevent it maybe from even coming on, right

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00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: because depending on when you had the lens removed and

444
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: how long your life goes, if there's you know, hormonal

445
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: changes for women, different things, right, So, and then the

446
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: disease fat disorder, if.

447
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: You don't mind me going into that a little bit, right, yes, please?

448
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: So life edema, Oh my gosh, Like I'm so passionate

449
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: about it because when I tell you that my life

450
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 2: edema clients, they come in and they are doing everything

451
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: from nutrition to weight training, to mindfulness, to vibration plate

452
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: to trampling just to maintain an I body, a body

453
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: that wouldn't it isn't even ideal to what society they

454
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: want or what even society wants, right that they're working

455
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: hard to just maintain kind of just a healthy way,

456
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 2: right and so and so for me, my passion grew

457
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: because I was like, I don't work that hard. I

458
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: want to I want to do it doing your class

459
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: like I want to write.

460
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Speaker 3: However, I see I have more muscle, right, I have?

461
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: Like you know, life edema is a serious thing and

462
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: it's growing, and it affects mainly women. And I suspect

463
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: that it's growing because of hormone disruptors and our and

464
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: our food and our skincare and our makeup. There's a

465
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: lot of things out there, and so a lot of

466
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: women are getting diagnosed with life edema. And it's progressive,

467
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: it gets worse.

468
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So.

469
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Speaker 3: It's indicated for so many. It's indicated for How about.

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Speaker 5: That, right, What does it do?

471
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: Who is it for?

472
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 3: No, it's for everyone. It's for everyone.

473
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: And we don't live in a time like our set

474
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: our lots and let me take this back fifty years

475
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: and beyond. We may not have needed to get our

476
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: limphtic system manipulated. Right, However, our lives are more sedentary.

477
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: We sit in front of computers and do work. We're

478
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: not getting our hands in the dirt and kneeling down.

479
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: And gardening, right, We're not walking to work.

480
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: Right, even if our one hour of day of working

481
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: out back in the day, all from start to finish

482
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: what's a workout, right, We don't live lives like that anymore.

483
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: So movement and muscle contraction is also one of the

484
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 2: things that help lens moves. But we don't move like

485
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: that anymore. We don't climb, we don't go under trees.

486
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: And that's the way our length responds to those moves

487
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: to movement. Right, So that's why nowaday from toxins to

488
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: e small to sedentary lifestyles. Yes, whether you're doing your

489
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: lymphatic drainage, dry brushing, any vibration therapy all that works

490
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: on the limp, or going to see a therapist, it

491
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: is necessary.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So Emily, you have given us a

493
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: lot of information so far, and we we're here for

494
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: we appreciate it. We're learning so much. Okay, but let's

495
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: back up because we literally jumped right in and we

496
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: didn't get to know a little bit more about you.

497
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Speaker 4: So we're going to back up and we're gonna do that. So, Emily,

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Speaker 4: can you tell us what is your origin story? How

499
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: did you get to be the Emily Butts we see

500
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 4: today who was a wellness practitioner.

501
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: So, first off, the origin story is my origin? Right?

502
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: Like from start, who I am now and looking at

503
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: all of my experiences the family I was born into

504
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: two relationships I had, to relationships I've ended, to careers

505
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 2: I've had, and where I'm at now my understanding of

506
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: all those connecting dots to make me who I am

507
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: today right and love who I am today. I love

508
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: who I am and it's so amazing to get here

509
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: because there were periods of time that that wasn't.

510
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: A true a truth for me right.

511
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: However, if I go into how I got into wellness originally,

512
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: it was actually about a little over twenty years ago.

513
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: My first career was dance. I was a dancer and

514
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: I was training to be in a professional company. But

515
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: I was older, so everybody that I was training with

516
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: had already been training since they were kids.

517
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: And I was trying to get.

518
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Speaker 2: My body to tech, you know, to do technique and

519
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: extensions and pirawets and have external rotation. So my mom

520
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: introduced me to somebody who had a pilate studio. I

521
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: went and said, can I volunteer or work?

522
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: What can I do? And so I was then.

523
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: Able to be introduced to pilates.

524
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: I ended up getting.

525
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Introduced to gyrotonic and getting certified in that then I

526
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: met the woman who introduced me to raw foods and

527
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: isa e bowls back in early two thousands. It's a

528
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: staatefule now, but back then it was only one shop,

529
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: raw food shop that did isa ebols.

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Speaker 5: In Berkeley.

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Speaker 2: I was introduced to floating. Have you heard of floating

532
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: where you float on the salt water?

533
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 5: Yes?

534
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Yes, So nowadays you can go to these nice places.

535
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: They got these pods that look real cool.

536
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: That got rainbow lights stroven right, and you can turn

537
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: them on and off. But when I floated at twenty

538
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: years old, no, it was looked like a military there.

539
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: Was no light. I got in. I was like, are

540
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Speaker 3: you sure I will be okay?

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Speaker 5: And I laid in and.

542
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: I had an amazing meditative experience. It was very healing,

543
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Speaker 2: But that was.

544
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 3: Scary at first, right, However.

545
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: My determination to become a professional dancer was so big.

546
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 2: I was open to trying whatever it took to get

547
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: my body and my spirit in a place where I

548
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: can get on the stage and perform right. And so

549
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: that's kind of where it started, but it was more surface.

550
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 5: It was very surface at that time.

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Speaker 2: Then I moved then fast forward, dancing in Chicago at

552
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Speaker 2: that time, I was going to move back here to

553
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: be with my partner. We are now in our seventeenth year,

554
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,719
Speaker 2: which is crazy, but I was going to move back here.

555
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to go to school, but

556
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: I really didn't know what I was going to major in.

557
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Speaker 2: In the last month, I met two people who were otis.

558
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Speaker 2: And when I tell you, they talked, they love They

559
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: would tell me I love my job.

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Speaker 5: I was like, don't nobody loved their job.

561
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: I mean, both of them two different worlds apart, right,

562
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: don't know each other talk.

563
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: One worked in hand therapy, the other.

564
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 2: Worked with older adults who loved being an OT And

565
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Speaker 2: that got the ball, got the ball rolling.

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Speaker 3: And then I was when I.

567
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: Moved back here on a Friday, and I was in

568
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 2: school doing my pre weeks on a Monday. And so

569
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Speaker 2: then got into OT school and was in the part

570
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Speaker 2: of the last combined program. So I got my undergrad

571
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: and masters all in a three year span, and had

572
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Speaker 2: a baby while I was in school as well. So yes,

573
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Speaker 2: yes I did it. I don't recommend it. However, when

574
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: you gotta do what you gotta do, you gotta do

575
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: what you gotta do. So then fast forward, I get

576
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Speaker 2: a job. I'm working in skilled nursing, dabbling home health,

577
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: and really get a love for it because I get

578
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: my training and then I see, like I.

579
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: See older adults need love to write. A lot of

580
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Speaker 3: ots get out.

581
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: Of school and they just want to work in pediatrics.

582
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: But I was like, wait a minute, there's something here.

583
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: We need to care for our elders and you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it was, it can be very devastating.

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00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: So I did develop a passion for that. But my

586
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: truest goal was to be in an acute care setting.

587
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: I wanted fast paced. I thrown me in so I

588
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: can learn all that there.

589
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 5: Is to learn.

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00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: Got two interviews lined up, one at Kaises and one

591
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: at Sutter Health. Pandemic Oh my goodness. Oh, and I

592
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: had to stay home and be with the kids. And

593
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't at first. It's like I even told my God,

594
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 2: I was like, why I just got in my career,

595
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: Like why do I got to give up my career.

596
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm established myself. You've been in yours, you know. But

597
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it made more sense

598
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: for him to go to work and.

599
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: Me to stay with the kids.

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Speaker 2: And that is where I developed an understanding of the

601
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: possibility of having time and space to.

602
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: Be with my children, right.

603
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: And I knew that I could not go back to

604
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: working like that, right. I was working with jaded people,

605
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 2: people who didn't want to aspire or expand their knowledge, right,

606
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: just to collect a paycheck.

607
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: Right.

608
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: And so I also, you know, felt a little depression

609
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: during that time, and so I didn't want to feel

610
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: that again.

611
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, what do I need to do?

612
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: And so I sawt during the Pandemic Health and Wellness podcast.

613
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: But I was very clear, I didn't want to learn

614
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 2: health and wellness from a white person, right. I didn't

615
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: want to learn health and wellness from anybody other than

616
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: a black person. And so I found the Balanced Black

617
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: Girl podcast and that kicked it off. Then I went

618
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: to the Model Health Show. Then I found and a

619
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: few more in between men. But then I found Debbie

620
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: Brown and she interviewed an individual by the name of

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Speaker 2: David mccolor and David owns a brain fitness gym called

622
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Speaker 2: Inception in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh, I'm gonna have to go

624
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Speaker 3: to Detroit. I said, Nah, Emily, you live in the

625
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Speaker 3: Bay Area.

626
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: You know, it's something like that out here, right, And

627
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: so I did my search and I.

628
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: Found the Bay Area Brain Spa. And so.

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Speaker 2: During kind of some free time kids are starting to

630
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 2: transition back into schools, I.

631
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Speaker 3: Had some extra space while I was trying to figure

632
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: out what it was that I wanted to do because

633
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go back.

634
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Speaker 2: And so the brain Spa women they saw a light

635
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: in me and they were like, hey, we want you

636
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: to be a part of our team, you know.

637
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 5: We want you to help us expand.

638
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: And so I did a couple of days of the

639
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: week and that's when I got introduced to manual or

640
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: lymphatic drainage because they use a suit, but also other

641
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: bio enhancing technologies such as neurofeedback, red light therapy, p

642
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: e MS therapy, which is my right, that's my goal

643
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: to the EOMTH therapy.

644
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: I don't think I'll ever live without that right.

645
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: So worked there for a couple of years and so

646
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: everything work was kind of like.

647
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: Little pieces, little stepping.

648
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: Stones that got me to here. So with the lymphatic drainage,

649
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: I said, wait a minute.

650
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: Do OT do this work?

651
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: And sure enough, because of my license, because of my career,

652
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 2: my my title, I could I could join these courses

653
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: and become certified as a first manual lymphatic drainage therapist.

654
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: Then I did the complete DJ Decongestive Therapy training. So

655
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's that's a lot.

656
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: That's a lot.

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00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: And also too, from being at the brain spots being

658
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: introduced to neural feedback, I said, wait a minute, I

659
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: think I heard my son has epilepsy. So I ended

660
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: up going to a training and in neural feedback to

661
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: help support him and his needs. Because actually, neural feedback

662
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: since the nineteen seventies has been used to help individuals

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00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: with seizure disorder.

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Speaker 5: But you wouldn't know that.

665
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: Pharmaceuticals aren't going to let you know that, right, So.

666
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: It's it's deep because there's a lot of modalities out

667
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: there that can streamline our health.

668
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 5: That's the part.

669
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, people want to know how to meditate, but they

670
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: can't because their brain is so busy.

671
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: Yuess what. Guess what the back door is some neural feedback.

672
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm a meditator now, I was not prior to neural feedback.

673
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: Now I don't need nothing, right, I can close my eye.

674
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: So you know, we are in a day and age

675
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: and time where there are things that can get us

676
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: on track and attuned with our body.

677
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: And so I'm so grateful to the brain Spot.

678
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: I told them.

679
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: I was like, you guys are always going to be

680
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: a part of my origin story.

681
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 5: Okay, and boom here we go. Yeah, circle right, full circle.

682
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: I just have to say one, Emily, You've introduced me

683
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: to the brain Spot and a lot of the modalities

684
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: that you talked about. I've had a chance to indulge

685
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: in just over the past few years, and they've been

686
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: game changing. But I want to circle back to your story,

687
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: right because Hindsight talk about hindsight being in twenty twenty,

688
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: that non traditional journey of wanting to be a dancer,

689
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: having your interests parked in the ot field, and like

690
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: just the way that looking back on it, I'm sure

691
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: in the moment you were like, what the fuck is

692
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: going on? Like it was just it seemed like it

693
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: was all over. But now looking back as a listener,

694
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: it all makes sense as.

695
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 5: You were walking through the journey.

696
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: I also wanted to point out having these two interviews

697
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: and and then the pandemic comes, you got to be

698
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: home with the kids, like OMG, and then you are

699
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: a bad ass because you said, oh, I got to

700
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: I just learned this new thing. Okay, I'm going to

701
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: go and roll on this. I'm gonna, i mean, talk

702
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: about being a go getter.

703
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: So much there and you.

704
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: Mentioned so much that I want to touch face on

705
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: for the audience. You talked a bit about self MLD,

706
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: which I'm assuming is self manual emphatic drain that you

707
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: talked about bio on hancing, neural feedback, red light therapy.

708
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Speaker 5: Can you break some of that down for the listeners?

709
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Speaker 2: Yes, we know, yes, yes, yes, yes, I yes, thank

710
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 2: you very much for slowing me down and myl neural feedback.

711
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: I will say neural feedback did help me with my

712
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: impulsive impulsivity, which.

713
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: I did not know I had. I would pick up

714
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: a cup and drink it and spill down my shirt,

715
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: or I would cook and.

716
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: Splatter would go everywhere, not realizing that I'm not being thoughtful.

717
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: And I remember one day I picked up a spoon

718
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: and I felt it in my hand and I was like,

719
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: oh oh, yes, so realizing that I was very impulsive

720
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: prior to experiencing what it's like for my neurological system

721
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: to be calm. So I will step into that because

722
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: there are different ways. I like Carly the owner, one

723
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: of the owners of the Barrier Brains, by her analogy.

724
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: Ladies, when you do your hair and your makeup, do

725
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: you use the mirror?

726
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

727
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: Yes?

728
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: Right, does the mirror do your hair and makeup for you?

729
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: No?

730
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 5: That would be nice, but no no.

731
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: So that's what neural feedback, biofeedback is. Right.

732
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: There are sensors that are placed on your head, and

733
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: the brain is already organized with certain brave brainwave patterns

734
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: in the prefrontal cortext right, in the in the temporal lobes,

735
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: in the you know the occiple. There's so many brain

736
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: waves in the brain, but they know when to work. However,

737
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: when our neurological system gets off balance, that coherence can

738
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: get lost. You know how we have to calibrate our car,

739
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: align our wheels, right, Well, we got to do the

740
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: same thing sometimes with our brain, right, And some people

741
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: do that through meditation, right they like some people can

742
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: really reorganize their systems. However, we do live in a

743
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: time when we're innovated with what I call the small

744
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: which is these silent penetrating waves, down waves, Wi Fi waves,

745
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: ems from our devices being plugged into the walls. There's

746
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: all these things penetrating us. Well, our brain is a computer,

747
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: it's an electronic system, right, so if it's all these

748
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: these waves hitting it, yeah, sometimes it's going to get

749
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: off right and sometimes it needs to be recalibraate.

750
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: And so that's what neual feedback does.

751
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: A lot of people get afraid that it's stimulating them. No,

752
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: it's not putting anything into your brain. It is saying, hey,

753
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: sleep waves like my son has in a region of

754
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: his brain when he's up. You're not supposed to be there,

755
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: not right now. So well why don't we pull a

756
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: little bit of the wave that's supposed to be there

757
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: right So, and it's making the brain self correct. It's

758
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: bringing attention to the brain. Hey, this Gama wave was

759
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: all the way up in the prefrontal core. Takes no

760
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: wonder this person is sparing some type of anxiety, right, It's.

761
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: A needed wave. Like when you're a boss, when you've

762
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: got a.

763
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: Direct a team that them Gama waves are important, But

764
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: when you at home chilling with your your.

765
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: Family, they don't. You don't need to.

766
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: Be militant, okay, like you need to be.

767
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: It needs to it needs to go to the back.

768
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: So both hemisid fears of the brain you need to

769
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: work together, and that sometimes gets thrown off. And now

770
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: we have access to neuro feedback devices, and there are

771
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: wellness ones like the brain spot uses which can't really diagnose.

772
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: And then the one that I got certified in to

773
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: help my son is more of a targeted approach, right,

774
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: So I put the sensor where he has his sleep

775
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: waves and I train him with the guidance of a

776
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 2: brain trainer in different frequencies to.

777
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 3: Help his brain.

778
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 5: Right.

779
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: So, yes, that neuro feedback, that's what that does. You

780
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: want to be better at meditating? Highly highly highly recommended, right,

781
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: PEMF therapy, phulse electromagnetic field therapy, it's my thing. One

782
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: of the things that I try to tell people is

783
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: that we are no longer in contact with the Earth, right,

784
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: we are no longer feeling Earth's frequencies by touching it

785
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: with our hands and our feet. The Earth and us

786
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: as humans we are meant to have contact the Earth

787
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: pulls the might be messing this up, so somebody here's it,

788
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: but pulls the positive ions out of our body, right,

789
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: and so the negative ions can go in. That positive

790
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: charge needs to be pulled out and Earth used to

791
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: do that when we walked around with moccasins.

792
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 5: That's what Earth does, right.

793
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: So a lot of us are walking around, even if

794
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: we're so called healthy, with inflammation in our bodies. Right,

795
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 2: And so what PEMF therapy has done is we've tapped

796
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: in or they've tapped into specific frequencies that Hell can heal,

797
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: our body can heal our minds. Similar to neural feedback.

798
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: It's a frequency based device, right. Our cells move through

799
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: an impulse. We are electrical beats, right, and we live

800
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: in a world that has a magnetic field. So when

801
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: you do POLT electromagnetic field therapy, you are communicating with

802
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 2: each one of your cells depending on what the goal is.

803
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: So the math that I use, it has a recovery goal,

804
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: it has a balance goal, you know, depending on the need.

805
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: So PEMF therapy I love it. It's I feel it's

806
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: been my biggest health contributor.

807
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: And red light therapy.

808
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: A lot of us are walking around fatigues because we

809
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: don't have when ourselves are not producing enough energy, and

810
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: so that's where red light therapy can come in. And

811
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: a lot of us have sleep disruption, so that's where

812
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 2: red light therapy can help get us in our circadian clock.

813
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: So it's I mean, I can go, it can go

814
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: deeper and deeper and deeper. However, like definitely, we just

815
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: live in a time that I highly recommend looking in

816
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: your area and seeing what's out there. A lot of

817
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: chiropractors have some of these modalities, right, a lot of pets,

818
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 2: and so yeah, i'd say go and give it a try.

819
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: And if you're in the Bay Area, you know, well,

820
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: we already know where you can go.

821
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: You you could come to me, right, But they're there

822
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: are and there's more than just a brain spot there.

823
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of places all over.

824
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 4: So yes, thank you for explaining that and breaking that

825
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: down in ways that like that make it easy to understand.

826
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 5: And so when you think about the.

827
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Speaker 4: Work that you do, and we've talked about like why

828
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 4: it's important for all of us, right, like we could

829
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 4: every person could benefit from this, how does one determine

830
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: which modality would be best for them?

831
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Speaker 3: I mean that that's a great question. However, what does.

832
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: Your intuition say when you when you think of when

833
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: you like even hearing me talk from neural feedback to

834
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: red light therapy to PEMF therapy, I guarantee something resonated

835
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: one of those things, resonated rights.

836
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: Because there's a.

837
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 5: Lot of crossover.

838
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: PEMF therapy can help with sleep, red light therapy can

839
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: help with sleep, neural feedback and help with sleep MLD.

840
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: Can you see what I'm saying. There's a lot of crossover.

841
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: And that's where I would say, what is the most

842
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: important thing that you're struggling with right now? And then

843
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: with a little bit of research as well as going

844
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: to a place or contacting someone for a little bit

845
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: of guidance on.

846
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: Like, hey, this is my struggle. What would you recommend? Right?

847
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: We we have to reach out. You know, my mother

848
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: in law did that the other day. You know, it

849
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: worked for her. She was able to get She did

850
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: red light therapy and PEMF therapy and it really worked

851
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: for her.

852
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: And so but she called first like, hey, what do

853
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: you recommend I do?

854
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 5: Right?

855
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: So, I mean and and like I said, do the

856
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: research on your own. However, just also understand that a

857
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: lot of the research, especially with bio enhancing technology, the

858
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: technically the community.

859
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 5: Calls themselves biohacking.

860
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: I don't like that term because we've been hacked right

861
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: by technology and by by our food and buy. So

862
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: we we need to bio enhance. We need to mitigate

863
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: what technology is doing to us. Right, So I don't

864
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to use hack to

865
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: repair my body. I don't want to use enhanced right,

866
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: and so that's why I use that term. But if

867
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: you search online you will see it's more of a

868
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: biohacking facility. Those are the terms they use. That's super

869
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Speaker 2: helpful to note, Emily, and thank you so much for

870
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: just educating us. Were dominat like this conversation will buy

871
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: too fast? Thank you so much are educating us telling

872
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: us your story. It feels like you've just hit the

873
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 2: tip of the iceberg with this conversation. But it's a start,

874
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: so that's good. We got to start somewhere. But as

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Speaker 2: far as next steps, Emily, where would you what would

876
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: you recommend our listeners tap into? How can they support you?

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00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: Let us know, like where can they find you? Because

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Speaker 2: we love to highlight back black businesses. I've experienced your

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00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: work and it was amazing, so we want to make

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Speaker 2: sure we can send.

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Speaker 5: People your way. So let us know what the listeners

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Speaker 5: should do.

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Speaker 2: So My website is integrate well dot com. I'm working

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Speaker 2: on rebranding my Instagram, but it is Integrate Lymphatic Care Practice.

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Speaker 3: What was the rest of the question. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 5: What was the rest of the question.

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Speaker 2: So now, yeah, yeah, how they come bok a session

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Speaker 2: with you? Will that be on your website or through

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Speaker 2: that instead of be on my website or through just

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Speaker 2: type me into Google and then if you want to talk,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 3: Because you could see I can talk, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm very passionate about this work and health and wellness,

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Speaker 2: and I don't have.

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Speaker 5: It perfected either.

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Speaker 2: I like to put that out there right like, I'm

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Speaker 2: a work in progress even within this realm. And I've

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Speaker 2: had to challenge myself to say, hey, Emily, you need

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Speaker 2: a self care game. I go and get lymphatic drainage, right,

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Speaker 2: I go and do these things because I can't.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't like when people aren't practicing what they preach.

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Speaker 2: And if I'm going to sit here and touch on

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Speaker 2: your body and work on your body and I'm not

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Speaker 2: doing the work, that's a problem, right.

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Speaker 3: And that became very clear.

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Speaker 2: So I really take take moments out to make sure

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Speaker 2: that I'm doing the work myself right, even if it's

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Speaker 2: just fine, it's five minutes to day, but it isn't easy.

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Speaker 3: It isn't easy. So just know that, right, you know,

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Speaker 3: on my end.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you so much, Emily.

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Speaker 5: We can feel your passion. Thank you for the world

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Speaker 5: that you do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for We need more people like you in

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Speaker 2: the world, you know, who are leading people to the

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Speaker 2: right source, and so we appreciate you so much. Listeners,

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Speaker 2: make sure you go on and you'll we have to

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Speaker 2: see if we can have you on again in the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love that. I would love that. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much.

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