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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, you and I are recording this episode with

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Speaker 2: Missus verballers dot com.

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Speaker 1: This is verballers dot com. Yes, good call, Okay. Will

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Speaker 1: we look back on the era of SEC dominance in

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Speaker 1: a similar way to the steroid era of Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 1: Of course, the records and wins will stand. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: Field has been somewhat leveled by NIL and transfers, we

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Speaker 1: I just don't know if that's actually the case, because

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Speaker 2: Also, the term SEC is doing a lot of work

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Speaker 2: So absolutely not do I believe that the playing field

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Speaker 2: I think there has to be some sort of configuration

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Speaker 2: of just like, where can I sit for a year

436
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Speaker 2: and get better and in earnest not get portaled over?

437
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Speaker 2: And the answer is very few places right now that

438
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Speaker 2: you have to be so ready and so put together

439
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Speaker 2: and ready to roll. And I don't know that's your

440
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Speaker 2: immediately being thrust into action as essentially a professional quarterback,

441
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Speaker 2: the pressure of being an NFL quarterback, but just in

442
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Speaker 2: college at eighteen years old. Wild let's go over to Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay with some of these bigger picture topics, Sean says.

444
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Speaker 1: The transfer portal seems to be out of control. Some

445
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Speaker 1: players lead because they're offered more money and nil incentives.

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Speaker 1: Others lead after their first year because they didn't see

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Speaker 1: the field much. And you have some players of transfer

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Speaker 1: multiple times, even some going back to a school where

449
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Speaker 1: they've been before. This is very true. Yeah, the impact

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Speaker 1: of this has made recruiting less meaningful, and therefore there

451
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Speaker 1: is no such thing as a quote solid verbal commitment anymore,

452
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Speaker 1: only soft Maybe we should change the podcast name. What

453
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Speaker 1: are some solutions to this issue? How do we get

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Speaker 1: these guys to commit to a program for the long term?

455
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Speaker 1: Should players have binding contracts in FBS football? How do

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Speaker 1: we prevent this sport from becoming the G league of

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Speaker 1: the NFL?

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Speaker 2: That is Sean, Thank you, Sean. Yes, one question, Dan Okay,

459
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Speaker 2: I have a pretty easy, straightforward answer.

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Speaker 1: Give it to me.

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Speaker 2: Don't follow recruiting, don't follow the portal. The only college

462
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Speaker 2: football media that you should be consuming is the one

463
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Speaker 2: you're consuming this very second. The solid verbal.

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Speaker 1: Five stars would recommend, I.

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Speaker 2: Would, other than the solid verbal, take a follow your team,

466
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Speaker 2: Be excited about your team, you know, follow the big

467
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Speaker 2: picture stuff with the sports. Don't grow attached to players,

468
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Speaker 2: don't get fully uh you know uh ingesting the hopium

469
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Speaker 2: with you know, we got we got to write tackle

470
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Speaker 2: from Florida, Oh we got a running back from Louisiana, Monroe, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Via preview magazine of your choice, Listen to the soliverbal previews,

472
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Speaker 2: read Bill Connolly's previews, whatever, And the unfortunate reality is

473
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Speaker 2: it's never made more sense to root for laundry than

474
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Speaker 2: to be invested in the commitments or lack thereof, of players.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not faulting the players, no, they are taking

476
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Speaker 2: advantage of a system that for a long time was

477
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Speaker 2: dead set against them, and they're now figuring out how

478
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Speaker 2: to best utilize more freedom. So don't blame players for portaling.

479
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Speaker 2: Don't play like this is the system that's in place.

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Speaker 2: If schools and conferences and TV networks, everybody in power

481
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Speaker 2: in the sport were so dead set against all of

482
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Speaker 2: this player movement, they'd set up a central structure for

483
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Speaker 2: the sport that legislated how it should and shouldn't work.

484
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Speaker 2: But right now, everybody loves all that money involved with everything.

485
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Speaker 2: So we'll see if that happens at some point. But

486
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Speaker 2: there's no easy answer beyond root for your school, root

487
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Speaker 2: for whoever you're a fan of, and you're gonna lose

488
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Speaker 2: good players, You're going to gain players that maybe will

489
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Speaker 2: be good and maybe will work out, and just hope

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Speaker 2: for the best once the season kicks off. I don't

491
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Speaker 2: know how like, I can't tell you to care about

492
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Speaker 2: recruiting as like an obsessive I can't at this point, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get where he's coming from. I

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Speaker 1: do think the portal is out of control to some extent.

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Speaker 1: I also think it's kind of necessary chaos because college

496
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Speaker 1: football is, you know, a billion dollar industry at this point.

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Speaker 1: Giving players the capacity to move much like coaches do

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Speaker 1: or have for an eternity. I think that is long overdue,

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Speaker 1: and so we are just settling in. I guess, to

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Speaker 1: my point from before, we still don't fully know the

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Speaker 1: effects of all of this. We have strong assumptions right

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Speaker 1: to ask for guardrails. I don't think guardrails are out

503
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Speaker 1: of the question. I don't know what they look like.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they can institute a one time

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Speaker 1: transferrually get one for free. After that, you gotta sit.

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Speaker 1: We may be past the point of no return on

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Speaker 1: stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It definitely seems as if the sport has swung in

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Speaker 1: a very very drastic way towards player freedom, which, again,

511
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Speaker 1: in generalized support, it's just figuring out what is the

512
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Speaker 1: best way to sort of navigate this new horizon, this

513
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Speaker 1: new situation with more change, for sure, still on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: My guess is as we get to a point now

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Speaker 1: where NIL and colleges are more tightly aligned, which we

516
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Speaker 1: know is coming right right where NIL deals can be

517
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Speaker 1: offered via the university and not via a third party.

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Speaker 1: If there is some way perhaps to tie in NIL

519
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Speaker 1: deals specifically to a school as opposed to a player, right,

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Speaker 1: maybe then that is an incentive for keeping players around. Ie,

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Speaker 1: you only get this money if you stay at the school,

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Speaker 1: because that is how these NIL deals are structured. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we're going to get to a point

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Speaker 1: with binding contracts to Shawn's point here, just simply because

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Speaker 1: again things have swung so aggressively in the direction of

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Speaker 1: player freedom, it just seems it seems like I don't

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Speaker 1: know if anyone wants to take that on. I think

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Speaker 1: everybody's afraid of getting sued.

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Speaker 2: So that's what's going to happen. Right If you say,

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Speaker 2: like one free transfer and then you have to sit

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Speaker 2: out for a year, you're just going to hire Tom

532
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Speaker 2: Mars and his firm is going to do whatever oppo

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Speaker 2: research on whatever your school has been doing poorly, and

534
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Speaker 2: suddenly the NC doablea or whoever is in charge of

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Speaker 2: everything is being like all right, that you need players

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Speaker 2: to have some sort of collective bargaining voice to negotiate

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Speaker 2: with conferences or some future central body, And until that happens,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to get binding contracts. It's just not

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It just doesn't feel like we're going

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Speaker 2: to get rock solid, like Okay, everybody's signing two year

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Speaker 2: deals and you can't transfer out before you're just gonna

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Speaker 2: see lawsuits. So I don't think there's any easy short

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Speaker 2: term answer until we have some sort of central college

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Speaker 2: football body that has standardized contracts throughout conferences, whatever, and

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Speaker 2: then we can go from there. But that just it

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Speaker 2: seems like it's not happening next week. So no, for now,

547
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Speaker 2: I don't get too attached. That's all root for your team.

548
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 2: Don't get too attached and don't try to change something

549
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Speaker 2: or don't try to work yourself up and lose sleep

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Speaker 2: over something that likely isn't changing next week.

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Speaker 1: Will says is having that quote killer instinct to go

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Speaker 1: for the throat and capitalize on big moments, something that

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Speaker 1: a coach just has or something that can be learned

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Speaker 1: as a Penn State fan. While I think James Franklin

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Speaker 1: made good progress this year. I do wonder if he'll

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Speaker 1: ever get better at putting away teams or capitalizing on

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Speaker 1: those moments in big games that are projected to be close,

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Speaker 1: ie when he's not favored by seven or more, such

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Speaker 1: as the ends of each half against Ohio State and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame Dan Killer instinct? How do you learn killer instinct?

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Speaker 1: Can you learn killer instinct?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's about learning, it's about I

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Speaker 2: don't know, self awareness and figuring out what kind of

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Speaker 2: coach and what kind of program you want to run,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't think anybody would accuse Kirk Farns in

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Speaker 2: Iowa or you know, take whoever that's not necessarily bombing

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Speaker 2: it down the field all the time, but winning a

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Speaker 2: ton of games. It's the self awareness about the kind

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Speaker 2: of program you want to run, or the type of

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Speaker 2: offense you want to run, or the defense you want

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Speaker 2: to run. They're like, this is how we are gonna

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Speaker 2: win games. We're gonna win games bombing it down the field.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna win games by creating a suffocating, aggressive zone

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Speaker 2: defense like Iowa. And if we lose, we lose. If

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Speaker 2: we win, we win, and we're gonna do it in

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Speaker 2: this way. Like Dan Lanning is very aggressive and he's

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Speaker 2: decided that that's how he wants to go about Oregon's business.

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Speaker 2: And I think you got to pick a lane and

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Speaker 2: you got to aggressively go down that lane. My problem is,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Penn State's lane is in this

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Speaker 2: case that like you're talking about a killer instinct from

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Speaker 2: Penn State, they're very good against. Again, the record against

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Speaker 2: teams that they're favored by seven or more is insane.

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Speaker 1: Under James Franklin, It's something like nineteen one and one.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: So is it a killer instinct thing? And then you

587
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Speaker 2: would know better than I you pay closer attention to

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Speaker 2: Penn State, just I guess not as close as you

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Speaker 2: pay attention to Notre Dame. Apparently that all come on.

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Speaker 2: That game was incredible. Is it a killer instinct thing

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Speaker 2: that James Franklin is unable to win these close games

592
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Speaker 2: against Notre Dame in Ohio State or is it something else?

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Speaker 2: Is it a specific way in which he chooses to

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Speaker 2: manage a game? Is it a specific way in which

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Speaker 2: you think his fingerprints are all over big moments? What

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Speaker 2: is it about James Franklin specifically, if you put it

597
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Speaker 2: on him, guess what a lot of teams lose to

598
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Guess what a lot of teams lose to

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Speaker 2: Ohio State. Penn State might just be almost as good,

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Speaker 2: but not quite. What is it? Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, one thing that immediately comes to mind

602
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: is that play that Nick Singleton dropped the touchdown pass.

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00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: It was early in the second quarter against Notre Dame. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and instead of trying to make it seven zip, they

605
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: kick the field goal to get points in the board

606
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Speaker 1: and made it three zip. Yeah, And so I think

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Speaker 1: there is definitely some element of aggressiveness that goes along

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Speaker 1: with this question. And there are key moments throughout the

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Speaker 1: course of time for James Franklin where, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: he's made the wrong decision. Hindsight's twenty twenty. I think

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Speaker 1: what we saw in that playoff game was the wrong decision.

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Speaker 1: I think it should have gone for it. You and

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Speaker 1: I talked about it on the stream, But that may

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Speaker 1: not be the sole reason why they lost. I could

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Speaker 1: list off other moments that's either here nor there. I

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Speaker 1: do think that he did, to Will's point, make progress

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Speaker 1: this season. I think Andy kotal Nikki gave them an

618
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: element of creativity and aggressiveness was sorely lacking previously. So

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Speaker 1: I do think there is some bit of yes, we

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Speaker 1: need to take more chances. Yes we need to show

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Speaker 1: that we're willing to do this, you know, in crunch time,

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Speaker 1: make the big, risky play. I think he did get

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Speaker 1: better with that. I also think there's an element here

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Speaker 1: of it's not totally on James Franklin. Yes he's the coach,

625
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Speaker 1: but part of it's got to be on the players.

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Speaker 1: Aler did not look good. When your best players like

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Speaker 1: Drew Aller are going into one of the biggest games

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Speaker 1: of the season and they look that bad, that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they've had some of the same problems

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Speaker 1: on defense. The defense has stood the test of time.

631
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Speaker 1: But Penn State for sure needs to get its offense

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Speaker 1: figured out against some of these better opponents. My hunch

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Speaker 1: is that they need to make a change at the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position. The wide receiver room is not in

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Speaker 1: a good place headed into twenty twenty five. As we're

636
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Speaker 1: recording here, I've got an alert on my screen that

637
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Speaker 1: there are two other guys that simul entering the transfer

638
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: portal off of the Penn State depth chart at the

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Speaker 1: receiver position. So I do think there are key elements

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Speaker 1: of the roster that James Franklin should improve. But at

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00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it may be players, it

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00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: may be preparedness, and it could be a little bit

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Speaker 1: of bad luck. It's hard to quantify, honestly, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to put it all on one specific thing.

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Speaker 2: Can we should be able to agree on a couple

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Speaker 2: of things. Penn State has not come through for the

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Speaker 2: most part against the biggest opponents on their schedule year

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Speaker 2: in and year out. This year it was Ohio State

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame in Oregon in the Big Ten Championship game.

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Speaker 2: We can agree on that. Yeah, we can agree that

651
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: there have been a couple of offensive coordinators that have

652
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: left this offense over the years under James Franklin, since

653
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: Joe moorehead there have been some underwhelming stretches Mike, you're sitches,

654
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: t is it you're sitch? Or yeah, you're sitch. There

655
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: have been under moments of Ricky Ronnie's time, Yes, sure,

656
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: underwhelming moments This year obviously highlighted by the Ohio State

657
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame games. Offensively Penn State have a regular

658
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: NFL starting quarterback in the James Franklin era. No, no,

659
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean Will Levis was at Penn State, but he

660
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: was used as sort of like a change of pace runner.

661
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 2: He was not a full time starting quarterback for Penn State. Yes, correct, Okay,

662
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: Drew Aller I guess would probably have pretty high draft

663
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: grades based on measurables and arm strength and everything like that,

664
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Speaker 2: but certainly doesn't look the part of an obvious NFL

665
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: starter at the moment. It's kind of on James Franklin

666
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: to find quarterbacks that he can develop into an NFL

667
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: caliber quarterback, and he hasn't done that a starting quarterback,

668
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: and so that's where I would put the blame. James

669
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 2: Franklin is in charge of signing off on who Penn

670
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: State's next quarterback of the future should be, you know,

671
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: in conjunction with the offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach, whatever, and

672
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: coming up with a general vision for the offense with

673
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator, given his past as an offensive coordinator

674
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: and given his past as you know, an offensive mind.

675
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: So if Penn State can't find that quarterback, that doesn't

676
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: need to be draft in the first round, upper two

677
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: or three round and shows himself to be ready a year,

678
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: two years, three years into his NFL time to be

679
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: an NFL starter. Fine, some of that's just bad luck.

680
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: You know, guy can get injured, a guy can whatever,

681
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: end up in a bad situation. James Franklin's been there

682
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, somewhere in there. Not a

683
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 2: single guy is of NFL starting caliber at a huge

684
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: place like Penn State. So if you're talking about killer instinct,

685
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: you're probably talking about a program that has a guy

686
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: who has at least that level of talent. And you're

687
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: talking about Trace McSorley and Sean Clifford, now Drew Aller.

688
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm forgetting here, but it's just

689
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess early on it would been hack

690
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: Christian Hackenberg, who was drafted pretty high but didn't work

691
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: out in the NFL. Like, I don't know, I kind

692
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: of would start there, given how often the defenses for

693
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: Penn State have been incredible.

694
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: No, wouldn't you?

695
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean, is that anything there? Well, of course, So

696
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: that's what I would put on James Franklin, and I

697
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 2: would put on any coach that finds them in a

698
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: similar position of like, yeah, they seem to be really good,

699
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: but they lack that like extra burst. What's the quarterback situation.

700
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a whole bit in our Fantasy

701
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: Things draft a couple of years back about link late

702
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: game James Franklin and his management of games. To an extent,

703
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: I think that's improved, but you know, it's also having

704
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: confidence in the guys that are out there. And if

705
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: you're making the call at the goal line to kick

706
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: the field goal and not try to go for seven,

707
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: on some level, that's not having confidence that they can

708
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: get the job done, not having that excelsior play that

709
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: you know can get you in the end zone from

710
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: two or three yards out. It's frustrating stuff like that.

711
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: Notre Dame hasn't found that guy either, necessarily, unless I'm

712
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: forgetting somebody.

713
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that guy is Riley Leonard right now. He

714
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: is the guy that they lean on for some of

715
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: those clutch moments.

716
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like he is not I mean, he's

717
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: going to be drafted, but he is not that guy

718
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: that I think we'll see what his NFL career is like.

719
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: That shouldn't necessarily fully to find somebody in college with

720
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: their NFL prospects. But I guess in the case of

721
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: Penn State, not throwing the ball successfully to a receiver

722
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: in the biggest game of the season is a bit

723
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: of an indictment over how that quarterback and receivers and

724
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: offense has been developed. But that's what has held Notre

725
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: Dame back as well. They are like, all right, Notre

726
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Dame is really good. Let's see what Ian book can

727
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: do against Clemson.

728
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: You're just like, probably not a ton Let's go over

729
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: to Dan on Instagram. He says, I've seen lots of

730
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: posts about Notre Dame kind of slowly love that kind

731
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: of slowly becoming America's team thoughts.

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00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: Those are my thoughts. No, absolutely not. I can tell

733
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: you what I think. Yeah, tell me the give me

734
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: the Bureau report from inside the Notre Dame bubble.

735
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this from inside the Notre Dame bubble.

736
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: I am able to come and go as I please.

737
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: Now, sure, sure, sure, sure.

738
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman is disproportionately more likable than any Notre Dame

739
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: coach that I can remember.

740
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: Will he be as likable with the Chicago Bears? Great question.

741
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: There is a rumor that the Bears want to talk

742
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: to Marcus Freeman. Yeah, I don't know if he is

743
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: taking that. I'd be surprised if he took that. But

744
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: the NFL comes calling once in a lifetime for some Now,

745
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: if he continues on this path, there will be many

746
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: more opportunities to go and coach a better team than

747
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: the Bears. But it's neither here nor there. Maybe he's

748
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: into it, maybe he's not. I hope he doesn't, but

749
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: whom I I do think that Freeman is way more

750
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: likable than many of his predecessors, and that stands for something.

751
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: He's the face of the program. The fact that people

752
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: like him that definitely has papered over some of the

753
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: hate that we know exists that we have seen and

754
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: then not so dis in past that we still see

755
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: in the current. So to that end, Dan, I would say, yes,

756
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: people are more agnow stick on Notre Dame than they

757
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: have been in the past.

758
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: Good choice of words there, by the way, continue thank

759
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: you agnostic as it relates.

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00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: To I didn't plan that, but it's just so I

761
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: came out.

762
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, to that.

763
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: End, I read the emails, I read the tweets, I

764
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: see all the comments that we get on YouTube and

765
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: other places join a conference. I hate to admit this publicly,

766
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: there have been some comments that have just been frankly

767
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: so vile to Notre Dame. How to delete them? I

768
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: don't delete comments. It's not like I don't care. Say

769
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Yeah, but there have been some It's like,

770
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Speaker 1: I don't really want this polluting the comment feed, so

771
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead hit the delete button.

772
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Speaker 2: Mister free speech himself, ty Hill him.

773
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Speaker 1: That's right. Notre Dame definitely is still a polarizing topic

774
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: in our world, and I do not suspect that is

775
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: going to change for any number of reasons, all right,

776
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: that people hate Notre Dame for all sorts of reasons.

777
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: I do think some of that heat has been let

778
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: out of the balloon because generally people like Marcus Freeman,

779
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: but to say that they're America's team, They're not America's team.

780
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean. There might be a good chunk of America

781
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: that did not go to Notre Dame that still roots

782
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: for Notre Dame. And I think that aspect of the

783
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: fan base has peeved other fan bases that Notre Dame

784
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: has such national appeal and other folks just can't understand

785
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: why separate conversation. But America's team, are they suddenly like

786
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: this darling either love Maurray hate them. I don't think

787
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: that part's ever going to change.

788
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: So okay, I think the concept of an America's team

789
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: has long passed like that. Sure, it was what the

790
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: Cowboys were, America's team, with the big the big star

791
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: and the cheerleaders and the like that, the handsome all

792
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: pro quarterbacks. And also we're talking about teams that became

793
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 2: nationally popular in an era where you couldn't watch all

794
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: the games that certain teams were just selected to be

795
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: on a national network that week, and Notre Dame happens

796
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: to be one of those teams. So maybe in nineteen

797
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: ninety three, Notre Dame was one of those teams that

798
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: was considered to be America's team because they're always on TV.

799
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: They were you had that national brand. Now everybody's on TV.

800
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: And now in a world in which, as you mentioned,

801
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: there are vile comments about every team, any team you

802
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: root for. Somebody has a vile thing to say about

803
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: Iowa State. Somebody is a vile thing to say about

804
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: Miami or North Carolina or Boise State. Whatever. That's the world.

805
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: That's like the muck in which we live. So, really,

806
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: what is America's team in twenty twenty five is whoever's

807
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: playing against a hated SEC team, whoever's playing against Notre Dame,

808
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: whoever's playing against Oregon. If you hate Oregon and Phil Knight,

809
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: that's who America's team. It's is America team of the week.

810
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: That's where we're at. Yeah, it's the obvious underdog in

811
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: terms of money, in terms of prestige, whatever, and so

812
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: the idea like, yes, Notre Dame has national appeal because

813
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: of the history and tradition among some college football fans.

814
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Oregon has national appeal because of cool uniforms and Nike

815
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: and cool offenses. Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Florida State,

816
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: all these places have national appeal because everybody can watch

817
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: them and decide whether or not they like an aspect

818
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: of that team. I'm curious what your answer is, Like,

819
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: who is the most universally just liked, not like rooted

820
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: for that's bad English, But who this season? Which team

821
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: fits the bill as the like, Oh yeah, I'm rooting

822
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: for them because I like some combination of coach quarterback

823
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: style geography system, cheerleaders, you like whatever, Like who is

824
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: that team that to you checks enough interesting boxes for

825
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 2: somebody in both Greensboro and you know, Eureka, California, real

826
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: place by the way, Eureka this year.

827
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Arizona State was going to be my answer. Yeah,

828
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: maybe Arison State because there is definitely some aspect to

829
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: this of if you want to root for him, but

830
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: you don't want them to be your team, you.

831
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: Want him to be interesting, threatening like others.

832
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I think Arizona State. There might be

833
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: a case for Boise State boys. He's been in that

834
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: category for a while. It may be a little bit

835
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: more charged right now since they're getting in over an

836
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: SEC team or yeah, over another Power conference team. But

837
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: I think generally there is goodwill towards Boise this year. Though,

838
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: if you're asking me to pick, it's probably Arizona State.

839
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: I know people don't love that. Like Cam Skataboo has

840
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: like a big attitude about how he's the best running back.

841
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: I would love for my running back to have that attitude.

842
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: I think it's great. He's fun to watch. The offense

843
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: was fun. Kenny Dillingham's a big personality. They were picked

844
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: last and obviously won the conference. So there's that like

845
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: underdog makes good quotion to ASU football this year. There's

846
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: the idea of like, oh, they're in like this warm

847
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: place with beautiful women. Like there's you know, there's like

848
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: a romanticism about like ASU as the underdog. You know,

849
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: they make the rosebu against Ohio State in the nineties,

850
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: and they've had fun players throughout the years. They have

851
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: what the rookie of the Year in the NFL started

852
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: his career at ASU with you know, a huge upset

853
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: as a freshman. So I think the vibes are pretty

854
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: good nationally with ASU. I just don't know how many

855
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: people actually watched at least early season ASU games this year,

856
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: But generally speaking, when you look across the sport, like

857
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: I think people probably really enjoyed the entertainment factor of

858
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 2: teams like Ole Miss this year. Big offenses are fun

859
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: to root for, But I don't know there is something

860
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: that's both fun and non threatening to root for ASU

861
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: unless you are a you know, Kansas fan or you

862
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: know Colorado fan or something like that in the same

863
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: conference and they're good. That's probably as close to the

864
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: most likable team I think we had this year. Unless

865
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting somebody, I'm open to other answers. If you

866
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: want to let us.

867
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: Know, yeah right in soliverable at gmail dot com or

868
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: hit us up on social media. You could probably go

869
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: down a few rungs for sure at the Power Conference

870
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: ranks could find some teams that generally are likable. But

871
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: I would say at the top of the top right now,

872
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: just given the fact that As made the playoff kind

873
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: of on an unlikely whim towards the end of the season,

874
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: that seems to me to be an easy answer for

875
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: let me know.

876
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: You know what, maybe Georgia Tech this year, Georgia This

877
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: is what Georgia Tech diads. If you go down a.

878
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: Few rungs, right if we're not talking about playoff teams, Tech.

879
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 2: Well, notk aout playoffem just teams in general. Georgia Tech Vanderbilt.

880
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: They rise to the level of being like America's team

881
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: of the Week when they're playing.

882
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 2: They were They gave Texas all that Texas could handle.

883
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty seven to twenty four or

884
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: something like that game. Sure, I say Georgia Tech because

885
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: they got that initial attention by beating Florida State in Ireland, right,

886
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: everybody on the game day sets picking against them, I

887
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: think maybe other than McAfee, and they take Georgia to

888
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: all those overtimes. So unless you are specifically a Georgia fan,

889
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: why would anybody be rooting for Georgia in that moment

890
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: nationally when you could have this cool story of the

891
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: team that is lost so often to this juggernaut in

892
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: their own state taking them to the wire. That I

893
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: don't know, Georgia Tech feels very likable this year.

894
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: I think Nebraska is an interesting answer.

895
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: They just weren't fun to watch, so I don't know

896
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: how many people they're selling, but.

897
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: I think I think Nebraska, if they can beef up

898
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: with their offense a little bit and through the portal

899
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: it seems like they are. If they can get better

900
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: on that side of the ball, they could be an

901
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: interesting follow just because they haven't been truly good in

902
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: a long time, just got back to a Bowl game

903
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: for the first time in forever.

904
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: So I just don't know how many people they're given

905
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 2: the feel.

906
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: Goods this year.

907
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, Okay, Yeah, let us know. I'm sure

908
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: we're omitting some obvious feel good story slash fun entertainment

909
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: team like, I think Colorado is an interesting answer. I

910
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: do think there's a.

911
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: Bit of polarization because polarization.

912
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: Yes, they've they've sold a lot of people on the

913
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: fun of Colorado football, but they've turned off a lot

914
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: of people too. Yeah.

915
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: Raoul says that Dabo Sweeney just tired Tom Allen away

916
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: from Penn State to be new to It's a coordinator,

917
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: he says. This past offseason, Ryan Day hired Chip Kelly.

918
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: James Franklin hired Andy Cotal Nikki Marcus Freeman hired Mike Denbrock.

919
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: These have all been excellent hires that put their teams

920
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: in position to compete for a national title. What skill

921
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: set or magic juice is required to hire assistance as

922
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: well as a head coach in college football? How does

923
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: an ad at a coach, especially a potentially young head coach,

924
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: without a track record of hiring right for how deep

925
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: their coaching network goes. This gets back to philosophy.

926
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 2: In my book.

927
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I think if you're hiring an assistant, obviously you

928
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to work. Everyone hopes it will,

929
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: oftentimes it doesn't. So as the starting point, you got

930
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: to make sure whatever philosophy you have that coach shares

931
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: as well. We have found that these tend to be

932
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: the best new marriages. Is their magic juice involved with

933
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: hiring assistants.

934
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: Dan, I think the magic juice is a person fit

935
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: that a lot of these times the head coach has

936
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: either crossed over in some way with either the assistant

937
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: they're hiring or somebody that has coached with that assistant

938
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: and can lean on a referral be like, yes, you

939
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 2: two just seem cut from the same cloth. You two

940
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: have the same like general personality and philosophy about coaching

941
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: and recruiting and about practice. That usually coaches are going

942
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: to hire somebody not just because like oh, I want

943
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: to run a three three five, that guy runs a

944
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: three three five. That can happen, but generally speaking, they're

945
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: going to look for that personality fit that like, I mean,

946
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: it's no different than finding a partner, finding a friend whatever.

947
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: I'm sure Kate has introduced you to a husband of

948
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: one of her friends that they've come over for game

949
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: night or a barbecue or something like that. You're like, hey,

950
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: he's a nice guy. It's we're different. I don't know,

951
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: seems a little bit weird about this. I just think

952
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: we're different. Like, I don't think it's terribly different than

953
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: that line of thinking that the magic juice is going

954
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: to be philosop to be both in terms of x's

955
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: and o's and just personality. How you relate to players,

956
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: how you relate to recruiting. Do they have experience recruiting

957
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: in a region you'd like them to have experience recruiting

958
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: in so like in the case of Penn State and

959
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: they're new hire Like in an ideal world, James Franklin

960
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: would hire somebody with experience and connections in Detroit, in Virginia,

961
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, Ohio, places that Penn State has a recruiting footprint.

962
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: So I think that's part of the magic juice. Whoever

963
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 2: he ends up hiring, if that person hasn't has experience

964
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,439
Speaker 2: as a GA or position coach at Penn State ten

965
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: twelve years ago, that's not the worst thing in the

966
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: world in terms of concocting a magic juice cocktail whatever.

967
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: So James Franklin, just like any other successful head coach

968
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: who has been successful in hiring assistants and coordinators, has

969
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 2: a list and has had a list for the last

970
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 2: three four years of promising up and coming position coaches

971
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: GA's coordinators. And so this kind of move from Tom

972
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: Allen in this specific case, because we can agree that

973
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: James Franklin is a very good coach, will not catch

974
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: him completely off guard. That James Franklin has a network

975
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: of coaches that have passed through or that he has

976
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: you know, visited and you know, grown to respect. And

977
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: that's the magic juice, is caring over the years about

978
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: the future of your program if something unforeseen should happen.

979
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: And so whoever Penn State hires and I saw a

980
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: list that was like Aaron Henry from Illinois, Tim Banks

981
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 2: from Tennessee because Banks was at Penn State for a while. Yep,

982
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 2: that seems like it's part of a magic you know,

983
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: had a very good defense at Tennessee this year. Who

984
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: else did I see on that list? The guy from

985
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: Indiana has recruited and coached very well and obviously this

986
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: year in the Big Ten. I don't there's no magic juice.

987
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: There's just a you know, three four elements that should

988
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: check boxes.

989
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, obviously it helps if there is some familiarity. Yeah,

990
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: between the assistant coach in the place he is going

991
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: to next. That's helpful. I like that set up as well.

992
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 2: Tom Allen knows big ten offenses right from the past

993
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 2: few years. That Indiana makes sense.

994
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, we read a little bit on why Tom

995
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: Allen might be leaving at this time. I mean it

996
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: sounds like it's maybe to be closer to his daughters

997
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: who are in the Carolina area. Sure, it also wouldn't

998
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: surprise me to see Penn State promote from within. Definitely

999
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: know they think highly of a guy like an Anthony Poindexter.

1000
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: Dan Conner has definitely had his name rise just in

1001
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: his brief time on the staff as well, so they

1002
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: have options if you're James Franklin. Also, while we're on

1003
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: the air here, it's not just Drew Aller who's going

1004
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: to be sticking around. It's both k Tron Allen and

1005
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: Nick Singleton coming back for their senior season. So Penn

1006
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: State stands to be in a really, really good spot,

1007
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: at least in that backfield. We'll see what happens out why.

1008
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: They've got to make some changes out there to Tyler Warren,

1009
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: dun Game Tower, Warren don Tower. Warren's going to be

1010
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: a mid first round pick. I think, but suffice to say,

1011
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: they should have a pretty good offense just with what

1012
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: they've got coming back. Now, it's just going to be

1013
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: a question of who is Penn State going to bring

1014
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: on to run that defense.

1015
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: We'll see next question anything about preferments anything like that.

1016
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: No, we've got a bunch of non college football, as

1017
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: we always do.

1018
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Why why don't we save.

1019
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: Some of these questions for our Patreon bonus episode. I

1020
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 1: think we've got more than enough.

1021
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: Where can people find that episode?

1022
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: Though people can find that episode of for Bowlers dot Com.

1023
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: We'll drop that out on the feed on the private

1024
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: feed on let's say Thursday, okay, as part of our

1025
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: bonus episode for this week. But in the answerim, let's

1026
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: take one more from the public here, Dan.

1027
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: Is Thursday when we're running our Hawktua interview or is that? No?

1028
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 2: Next week?

1029
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere near that, man, What Yeah, We're

1030
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: not going anywhere near that.

1031
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: That's on the top of your list for this year

1032
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five?

1033
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: Is it?

1034
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: Book? Hoktua?

1035
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: I think you might have put that on the list.

1036
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: I didn't put that on the.

1037
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: Lit Oh no, ty, I got paragraphs that you've written here. Continue.

1038
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: Brian wants to know how in the world does Riley

1039
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: Leonard keep winning games?

1040
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: Thematic you take it? Do you tell me?

1041
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: When Notre Dame first got Riley Leonard, I was not

1042
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: crazy about the move, and I think I came on

1043
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: the air with you and I said as much. I'm

1044
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: just not crazy about the move. I did not trust

1045
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: him as a passer. I trusted him very much as

1046
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: a playmaker, as an improviser, but at the time he

1047
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: was coming off an ankle thing and I had just

1048
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: seen I had gotten heart palps when they played Notre

1049
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: Dame and almost beat Notre Dame. Notre Dame needed Sam

1050
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Hartman to run in order to win that game, so

1051
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: it was clear that Riley Leonard had a little bit

1052
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: of those intangibles in his game. But what we have

1053
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: seen over the course of this season is an offense.

1054
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: It's heavily reliant on the run, heavily reliant on its defense,

1055
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: and the passing game has been good in spots, but

1056
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: it is definitely not the kind of thing that as

1057
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: a Notre Dame fan, I want them to lean on

1058
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: in order to win games. But what they have been

1059
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: able to lean on pretty consistently is Riley Leonard and

1060
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: his playmaking on the ground. He got a question in

1061
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: the build up to that Orange Bowl. Somebody asked him,

1062
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: why are you so hard to tackle? And he basically

1063
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: shrugged and said, I don't know. I'm not that fast.

1064
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't have great moves. He's a big guy, A

1065
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: big guy who can move definitely is tough to bring down.

1066
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: But there is just sort of an unknown quantity to

1067
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: his game, something that you can't put a finger on

1068
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: that he always finds a way to come through in

1069
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: the clutch, avoid a sack and make a throw down

1070
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: the field. He always finds a way to run for

1071
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: eight and a half yards when you need eight. I

1072
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to make him a first round

1073
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: pick in the NFL. He might not even make him

1074
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: a Day two pick in the NFL. But he definitely

1075
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: has something in his game where you kind of feel

1076
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: like you want to induct him immediately into the in

1077
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: the Ass Hall of Fame. Yeah, he's just a pain

1078
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: in the ass out there, and he's the type of

1079
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Speaker 1: guy if he's on your team, you love him. If

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Speaker 1: he's not, you say, man, he's a pain in the ass.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how to stop him. I don't

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00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: know how to bring him down. The easiest way to

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00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: stop him is to have fast defenders who can spy

1084
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: him and then force him to try and beat you

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00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: through the air, which I'm not totally confident he can do.

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00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: But thus far, the formula that they have been going

1087
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: with here all season long and now throughout the course

1088
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: of the playoffs has been we lean on Riley when

1089
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: we need to clutch play more often than not, he's

1090
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: going to come through. I don't think that answers brian question.

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00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Brian's question. It certainly doesn't answer the question for me.

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00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: But there is whatever that pixie dust is with Riley

1093
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: Leonard and how he plays, They're able to lean on it.

1094
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: They're able to go to the well for more of

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00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: it whenever they need it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the vile commenters that you referenced earlier would

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Speaker 2: reference the Purdue defense, the Miami of Ohio defense, the

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00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: Stanford defense, the Georgia Tech defense, the Navy defense, the

1099
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: Virginia defense, the USC defense. I don't know how to

1100
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 2: properly explain Riley Leonard, but I will say you probably

1101
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 2: weren't wrong about Riley Leonard I don't know. I was

1102
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: by far the worst explosive passing game of any of

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00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: the playoff teams.

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Speaker 1: No, I was leary about that. I was leary about

1105
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: that because obviously there is an element to his game

1106
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: that is a lot of fun to watch, and you

1107
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: cannot put him neatly into any one box. He's not

1108
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: a prototypical anything. He's an improviser.

1109
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 2: That is what he is good at. He stacks first downs,

1110
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 2: that is what.

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00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: Mike Denbrock is now leaning on when he is calling

1112
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: this offense. Yeah, they are able to do it repeatably,

1113
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: which I think is important obviously, So they're able to

1114
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: get these plays from him on an ongoing basis. It

1115
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: just doesn't always look as pretty as you would expect.

1116
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: He just finds a way to get it done.

1117
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: How does he do that?

1118
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: How does he continue to lead them to victory? He's

1119
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 1: just been making big plays when he has to. They're

1120
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: able to get the most out of him to get

1121
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: to the sticks, and they're perfectly content playing a very

1122
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: conservative brand of football, especially in the postseason, to get there,

1123
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: to get to the next round.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's and we see this in a lot

1125
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: of different team sports. He's kind of a specialist, that

1126
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: he's a middle reliever who just yeah, he has a

1127
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: funky delivery and gets nothing but ground balls. Right, Yeah,

1128
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: he's not throwing ninety eight. He doesn't have a huge hook, slider, curveball, whatever.

1129
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: He gets ground balls. He can give you an inning

1130
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: and a half or I guess an inning and two

1131
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: thirds whatever, and has a one to ninety two era,

1132
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 2: doesn't strike anybody out, doesn't do anything flashy, isn't an

1133
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: all star, gets ground balls. Oh, this power forward is

1134
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: averaging three points a game and nineteen rebounds when he

1135
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: you know, per thirty six minutes. He serves a purpose

1136
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: that's super valuable and that Riley Leonard is mister first down.

1137
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: And that's how Notre Dame keeps winning games against low teams,

1138
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: against mediocre teams, against good teams that somehow, some way,

1139
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard gets across the unofficial TV yellow line. That's

1140
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Speaker 2: how they win.

1141
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: If he were a pitcher, I think it's a perfect

1142
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: comparison to say he's a pitcher with a three.

1143
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Speaker 2: Point one er.

1144
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: Who has eighteen wins a year. Okay, strikes out one

1145
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: hundred guys a year.

1146
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean wins are not indicative of quality. We

1147
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: know continue, but that's sort of the point.

1148
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Speaker 1: That's the kind of player he is, and you know what,

1149
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: Notre Dame will take it there in the national championship.

1150
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the distinction two would be like, given

1151
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: Notre Dame success, he he has a whatever, a three

1152
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: eighty one ERA and he's made what two hundred and

1153
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: forty four million dollars in his career. He's just out

1154
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: there and available for first downs. Right, this guy is

1155
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: able to start thirty games a year for what he

1156
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: takes care of himself. He hits the cold top. There's

1157
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 2: the availability of first downs for Riley Leonard. Will it

1158
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: work against Ohio State?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a tall ask. I think it's a

1161
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: tall ask in this moment. We're doing preview later in

1162
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Speaker 2: this week. But Notre Dame getting this far, I don't

1163
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: know how you can't look at this season and Riley

1164
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: Leonard is anything but an overwhelming success, huge within the

1165
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 2: context of Notre Dame's recent history. Why don't we leave

1166
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