WEBVTT - Makeup Artist Daniel Martin 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.200 Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:05.720 --> 0:00:16.880 I'm your host, Bobby Brown. So most people know me 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.600 as a makeup artist, or some might know me as 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.280 a businesswoman. I'm really lucky I've done both. But just 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.319 like Daniel Martin, who started as a makeup artist and 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:32.760 now he is a corporate businessman as well as a teacher. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.120 I've always heard about Daniel Martin the makeup artist. What 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.000 a wonderful human being he is, and he really came 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.080 on my radar when I googled to find out who 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.320 did Megan Markle's makeup at the Royal Wedding. Now everyone 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.440 knows his name, but that was only one piece of 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.120 his entire career. I'm really excited to talk to him 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:59.520 to find out how he has really achieved these incredible 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.360 success is and now working with the Japanese beauty brand Tacha. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.959 I'm really excited to talk to him. Hey, Daniel, h 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.920 I so you did the makeup for Megan Marco for 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.039 the Royal Wedding and I guess I heard about it, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.320 saw it, you know, on social media, and I was like, 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:24.600 oh mg, I've always heard incredible things about you as 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.760 a person. I always knew that you were a very 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:32.680 talented makeup artist, you know, the next gen makeup artist. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:37.039 But everyone just only said how you were the greatest guy. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.320 And so I I, you know, as someone that loves 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.119 celebrating other people's successes, you know, it was like, hey, 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.560 cool job, so go ahead, now you talk story like. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:56.120 It was really just it was overwhelming and my publicist, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.440 I had to get a publicist to that whole situation, 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.600 and she was just like, you know, if you want, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.720 I can filter out your d ms, just kind of 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.280 monitor because it was just a whole situation. And then 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.560 she was like, you got a d M from Bobby Brown. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.519 And I was like, like Bobby Brown, Bobby Brown. And 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.519 then in my head, I'm thinking like Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.079 and she was like, no, the makeup artist. I was 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.880 like what. And that's when I realized. I was like, oh, ship, 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:30.000 like her wedding was something because at the time, you're 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.800 I was just thinking all I can do was I 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.919 just wanted to make sure that my friend looked her 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.200 best on her wedding day. And she did. By the 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.360 way she did, she look gorgeous. But it was one 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.320 of those things where it was just such an out 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.840 of body experience that when I heard from you, someone 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.160 who I respected admire for so long, I was like, oh, Ship, 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:57.000 like that was I understood the trajectory of that spectacle. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.040 M Well, I'm I'm very honored that it stopped too 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.040 in your tracks. I was so enamored with the entire 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.120 wedding because I was lucky. I only once got to 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:13.560 do Megan's makeup, and she was so amazing and delightful. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.040 I remember that because I was working on the tig 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.280 with her when that happened, and it was like the 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.600 backseat of her of a car, right And I remember 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.240 seeing her afterwards. I'm like, oh my god, how was she? Was? 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.000 She nice? And she was just like she was so awesome, 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.480 and just the whole experience, she said, was so much 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:33.799 fun for her. We were text friends for a while 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.760 and she was telling me about this boyfriend she had 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.680 in the UK, and I was like, usually I asked 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.760 a lot of questions. I didn't what is it? I 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.040 didn't ask, I didn't ask what he did. But anyways, 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.160 I was happy for her. And then all of a sudden, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.520 I was like, oh, Ship, a boyfriend, Okay, I got you? 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.880 So yeah, so sent her my best when you talked 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.160 to her, she she was a doll. So how did 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.880 you even meet Megan in the first place? We um 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.720 first season and Suits got picked up, and then that's 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.360 when we met and we just bonded. And then were 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.280 you living in Canada? No? I was, I've always been here. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.040 It's when she she actually reached out to my agent, 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:20.919 UM asking about about me and about time I have 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:25.160 I don't I've never asked your Actually, Magan, come on, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.919 we just totally hit it off. Yeah. It was the 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.680 first season of Suits that show resonated globally on such 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:36.080 an interesting, like a whole other level. Yeah. But anyways, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.039 let's I want to know more about you. Okay, I 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.440 want to know more about you. But let's talk for 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.120 a second. How are you doing now? Where you know where? 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:49.039 How many months into this pandemic? Like going on seven 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.680 six something like that. It's so wild. I mean, I'm 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:57.039 really lucky. I'm doing great. I was really fortunate to 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.000 have this position. Would talk to start in June. I'm 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.720 as global director of Artistry and Education for the brand exclusively, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.280 so that's been keeping me busy. Um, and I've been 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.640 able to work with you know, we're sold at sepphor Us. 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.880 I'm working with the Sapphar Artists team um doing some 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.880 masterclasses with them, So I feel like I mean, I've 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.920 been looking at works picked up for me a bit 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.320 because I feel like everyone's rushing to shoot and do 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.480 things before we've possibly shut down again. So it's good. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.720 But I'm being selective with the jobs that I do, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.840 selected with the people I want to be around, and 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:38.520 being tested every two weeks. So it's just your everything's 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.039 a bit slower because you're being cautious. But at the 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.960 same time you kind of have to move on and 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.080 try to do that in this new way. And and personally, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.760 how are you doing now? I mean, this was a 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.640 reset for me. I was traveling three times a month 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:01.360 for two years and it was exhausting. But when you're 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.200 in that hampstea whom you don't realize it until everything 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.600 stops and you're like, oh, I'm reconnecting with my husband. 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.520 Oh I'm reconnecting with my cat. Like you forget about 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:18.080 the daily things that you took for granted and friendships, family. 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.080 You definitely have to create this full new normal for 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.360 yourself now. So first of all, who are you like 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.480 where were you born. I don't really know that much 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:31.320 about your story. I my mom's Vietnamese, my dad's um 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.320 French and English. They met in Vietnam during the War, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.680 UM at a time when you know, there were no 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:44.440 interact you know, interracial anything happening in the seventies. So 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.520 when I was, I mean I was born in Kansas, 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.880 UM and then moved to Central America soon after. So 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.760 I was pretty much raised in Central America from five 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.559 till eleven. Came back to the States, and then moved 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.920 to Asia, and my father worked for the government, so 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.680 we moved around a lot. Um. But I went to 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.000 high school in college in Seattle. How did you become 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.840 a makeup artist? I mean, I have three sisters, so 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:14.160 I was always around makeup. Um. I got a like 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:20.240 a holiday job at North Shrum's, uh actually gift wrapping, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.320 and then they saw that I could. Actually I was 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.480 when you. I wasn't gift wrapping. I was playing with 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:29.640 my friends who were at the estate counter, and We're 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.680 all just doing makeup on each other because we were 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.800 like club kids. And then Matt came to North Strums 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:36.680 and then I applied for that job and got it. 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:41.400 So that's kind of like how I got my start. Um, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.400 but I didn't really hone in on my craft until 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.840 I moved to the East Coast when I worked at 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:50.840 in the Vedaslan in Richmond, Virginia. And then when did 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.560 you go freelance? Oh god, I didn't go freelance until 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:58.320 I came to New York in two thousand four. Um, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:03.320 but I met um Pat McGrath in because she created 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.040 a capsule collection for a data at the time, so 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.440 that working Did you work for a Veta at the time. Yeah, 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.600 So you've worked with so many different people and I 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:18.760 had such vast experiences. So I mean, first of all, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.200 talk a little bit about Tacha and you know, and 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.640 what the company is, and you know, you have the 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.920 most incredible skin. I don't know if that is anything 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.960 to do why you got this job or the products 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.440 have really really made a difference in your skin, But 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.679 you're you're beautiful, by the way, thank you. I mean, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.240 I met Vicky ten years ago. She sent me block 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.320 papers when um that was her first product, and I 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.880 just fell in love with with them. And then I 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.040 eventually met her like a like a year and a 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:51.599 half afterwards, when she was starting the skincare and then, um, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:57.200 that's kind of like how our friendship happened. Um. We 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.120 she would send me samples of things she was working on. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.440 I had very sensitive, reactive skin, so when she sent 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.480 me her skincare, that was the only thing that kind 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.520 of helped it. And to this day, I'm very sensitive 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.679 to a lot of things. Um, so there's a you know, 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.880 I can use her whole line and it was never 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:20.480 reactive for me. What's your favorite product in the line. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.920 It's for like xema and sensitive skin. Um, the essence 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.840 is incredible. But it was you know, that journey of 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.960 meeting her and she would send me samples to try out. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.640 And then when I you know, in my freelancing career 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:43.120 before I was working with long Com, they gave me 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.160 an opportunity to create a lipstick with them. So how 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.440 did the land Comb? Was that your first brand that 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.440 you worked with? Yes, yeah, so Carrie Diamond, who was 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.320 the former beauty director at Harper's Bazarre, had just left 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.880 the magazine to head up pr for lung Coom And 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.319 I had met Carrie literally right when that was happening, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.559 and she basically recreated my career for me. She reintroduced 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:14.839 me to Jack and Lazzaro at parented schooler lun Come 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.560 at the time started to UM. I think they just 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.360 started working with Fucci Westman. So basically all the stuff 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.400 that Gucci didn't want to do, they gave me to do. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.000 And that was totally fine because what an incredible opportunity. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:33.960 And then the opportunity came up two do this lipstick 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.240 and we did this kind of like a neon coral 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.719 and that's how it happened. And then Vicky when she 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.000 wanted to explore color, she was like, you know, I 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.160 wanted to do a lipstick, I'd love to do it 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.280 with you. And Chloe seven you was kind of my 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:53.120 use for that lipstick because we created it um for 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.480 her for the met all. But then when did you 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:58.720 become the brand ambassador for Door, which is what you 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.800 were when you did my Aggins makeup? How lucky was 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.720 that brand? Do you? Yeah? And I was actually working 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.199 with Jessica Albert at that time too, so I had 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.160 two contracts which I was really lucky to have. So 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.040 from after do your tucha right, but you are you 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.640 still working with Jessica Alba. I know you've done her 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.559 makeup for years and you guys are probably friends. Yeah, yeah, totally. So. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:25.480 I basically when Vicky approached me about, you know, coming 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:29.800 on exclusively, Um, both my contracts with your and Honest 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.920 Beauty were ending in the spring, and um, I asked. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.679 I told Jessica, and she was really gracious. UM, and 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:43.000 she knew I had a relationship with Toucha as well. So, UM, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.760 it was just kind of serdifitous how this all kind 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.840 of came about. But you know, going back to what 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.320 you're saying, so much it is about the relationships, but 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.200 it goes back to the first thing I said that 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.439 all I've ever heard about you is what a wonderful 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.720 human you are. So your your your parents did a 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:03.480 really good job. Thank you. I think because we know 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:08.480 how fickle and how surface our industry can get, there 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.680 has to be and I feel like now with this 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.480 pandemic has leveled out the playing field. You know, we 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.400 got to a point where there was just so many 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.760 hair people, so many makeup artists, so many stylists, and 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.880 I feel like, you know, now it's really making the 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:29.880 artists look at themselves and their work differently, and you know, 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.200 what you have to because things don't always work out, 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.920 and you have to know when to say okay, let 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:50.920 me try that. Your first celebrity was Molly Ringwoll Right, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.880 So how did that come about? My friend Gwen has 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.520 a salon in the East Village called Parlor, and Molly 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.560 used to live on East Town at them would go 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.640 there to get a haircut and her hair done and stuff. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.360 And she needed makeup for something last minute. And Gwen 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.480 called me up. And I was still working corporate at 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.880 the Data at the time, um, so I had my 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.000 got my stuff. She didn't tell me who it was. 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.160 She was just said, I have a client that needs 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.760 make up. You're the only person I can trust to 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.720 do something on her. And I came and I didn't 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.240 realize it was her until literally Gwen spun her around 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.840 in the chair and I literally like my like everything 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.080 was like a black hole. Because Pretty Thing is my 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.000 favorite movie ever. It was like one of those things 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.600 where I was like is this Like it was just 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.640 out of body and she was so nice, and I 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.520 was just thinking, I was like, wow, like if celebrities 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.920 are this nice, maybe that's the route I go rather 0:13:52.040 --> 0:14:00.280 than fashion, because fashion was me. I mean, like it 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.720 was such a different it's so different. Well, I find 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.040 it interesting the choices that people make in their careers 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:12.600 and how that shifts. I mean, I remember you, You're 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.439 kind to me. Anyways, You're like the first makeup artist 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.960 brand I don't know of anybody, because you launched in 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:27.800 like at burg Doors with lipsticks. And I remember coming 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.760 to New York and going to Burg Doors. It was 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.720 my first time in New York and that was like 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:33.920 my first thing was to go see the Bobby Brown 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:38.240 lipsticks because I wasn't outside of d C. And there 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.040 was no nor you know, there was no high end. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.400 I mean, I think there was a sack, but like 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.720 it was just it was different and there was there 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.880 was And also, you know, if you think about it, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.960 back then in the nineties, you would go into a 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.080 store and see a whole range. You would never go 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.760 in and see like what a tend lipstick collection, you know, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.840 And it wasn't it wasn't a strategic decision. It's just 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.800 that that's all I had was So can I ask 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.760 you was that kind of like when did you you know, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.200 you were still working after you created the lipsticks, but 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.240 when was that moment where you were like, Okay, I 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.040 want to create a product well, it's it's very funny 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.720 because you know, as a makeup artist, I was traveling 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.960 like crazy and I was offered. I was engaged to 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.960 my husband, and I was offered this epic, epic trip 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:31.240 to go to Bally with Bruce Weber for three weeks 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.280 to do a Ralph Lauren campaign. So a you know, 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.640 how much money was involved, how exciting, And I was 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:42.280 panicked about missing my my fiance and we needed that. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.280 We needed the money at the time, and I'll never 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:46.920 forget My husband said, you could turn it down, you 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.440 don't have to go. I was so anxiety written about 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.400 leaving him, and I turned it down. And that's when 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.160 I had this idea to make a lipstick. And I 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.120 made it with just the concept that you know, I 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.640 hated lipsticks on the market. I had to fix every 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.640 single lipstick I bought because they were gross. And I 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.480 made a lipstick and then I thought about a collection 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.480 of ten and I said, wow, I guess people would 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:14.640 probably like to buy this. You know, there was no 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.440 Etsy back then, you know there was there was There 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:22.160 was no Instagram or social media or YouTube. There was 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.680 not even freaking Google like I had the Yellow Pages. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.600 I mean, I sound like someone's grandma and I don't 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.520 want to, but you know, you figured it out and 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.360 now it's a very different thing. But I feel like 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.920 that going back to those basics is what's going to 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.160 kind of I kind of feel like, if I can 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.360 be completely honest, I feel like the market is so 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:51.680 saturated with color right now, and all these brands that 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:57.080 are popping up being bought, there's you you know, you 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:01.520 see them go away three years after the purchase. There's 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:06.240 no sustainability, there's no bigger vision of heritage, and you've 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.800 created this heritage brand. I feel like I'm I'm out 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.480 of I've been gone from the company for four years, 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.119 but your name lives on my name. I sold, I 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.880 sold my name and you know, and that's fine. I've 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.879 accepted that. You know, it still is my name. So 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.280 when you're working as a makeup artist, like what what 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.800 excites you? What terrifies you? Oh gosh, that's such a 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:35.800 great question. Um, someone who don't their skin, YEA excited 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.240 just because then I don't have to do so much 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:43.160 covering up. Yeah, because people don't realize. I mean, I've 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.000 been doing makeup for so long, and you know, sometimes 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.560 you get asked to do these shoots and it's out 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.479 of your comfort zone. And yes, you you know you 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.440 want to do a good job, but it's terrifying. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:00.359 I think now, um we I was listening to your 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:05.520 podcast with Mario and you were sharing a story where 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.800 you back in the back when you were doing shoots, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.960 you didn't know who you're going to get, Like, I'm 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.240 sure you just got the call shoot with the photographer 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.080 and the stylists, but you didn't know who the talent was. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.800 And I feel like, gosh, nowadays, you know, I'm always asking. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.239 I'm a virgo like that. I just like, you have 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.160 to lay it all out for me so I can 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.280 keep understanding. Yeah, but that goes back to you know, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.560 that's why I always made sure my kid that things 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.760 were multi use and and that's so funny. Yeah, that's 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.280 so funny. You say that because I'd love to see 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.280 a picture of your kid, because I used to obsess 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.960 about my kid because I'm you know, I'm five foot tall, 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.919 I'm a little thing, and you know, they're heavy. So 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.080 I used to constantly take my makeup, put it on 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.119 the floor, reorganizing it, and I'm like, oh, you really 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.040 need are things that you could kind of mix and blend. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:04.520 So I still use things off you know, off what 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.320 is it called? You know for not what what therefore? 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.760 Like Yeah, so I want to hear some of the 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.280 things you use. I think for me, like I always 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:21.680 have your Bbu palette that's always in my kit because palette. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.240 But yes, I I designed it, by the way, for 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.360 for people like you, for my artists, so you'd always 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.680 have a color. I mean, I think there's always a color, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.680 but I can always make other colors from that as well. Um. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.960 I think if you just have a like an idea 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:42.680 or an understanding of color to theory and just take 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:46.800 out of consideration the form, whether it's in a blush 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.600 or an eyeshadow, and just break it down to pigment 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.840 and texture emollient versus you know, non, then you can 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.200 really get creative and get in the kitchen to create 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.399 all these different things. So like I have um a 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.280 palette of I bought this. Uh. I think it's a 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.520 plaint part I got in Paris, and it's just petroleum 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:10.280 and pigment, but I'm constantly mixing it with a gloss, 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.760 or mixing it with a moisturizer or transforming in such 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:17.160 a way adding powder to it to change the consistency. 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.760 So I have like a little bag of that that 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.680 I know that I can turn that into whatever color 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.280 I need, rather than have like a bag full of 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:29.879 glitter or a bag full of this because it's just 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:35.320 too much. And and your current gig with Touchau have makeup, 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.439 they don't. So that's part of the reason why I 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.159 onboard is you know, moving forward, we're going to be 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:45.040 playing around um and looking into that space, but it's 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.320 not going to be for a while. And to be honest, 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:52.920 I feel like I want to find innovation first rather 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.200 than turn out a twelve palette I shadowed kid or 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.800 do you know what I mean? Like there, it's always 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:04.520 to be a hybrid of skincare and which makes sense, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.320 Which makes sense, and I think that's the way people 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.359 want makeup now anyway. Yeah, I mean skincare has always 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.760 been important to me. And just working with a brand 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.480 that I use personally and that I only using my kids, 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.120 I mean, that's I mean, going back to what you're 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:24.240 saying earlier about authenticity, It's like that's what it's about 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.560 right now, you know what I mean. It's like Instagram 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:34.440 has completely changed perception of things and beauty and just performance, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.800 and you know you want to work with a brand 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:55.439 or use a brand that you trust. I could go 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.280 on forever asking you all these questions, but you know, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.600 since this podcast is called Beyond the Beauty, I just 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.840 want to know what does beauty mean to you? Oh gosh, 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.159 it's funny because I think of beauty not externally but internally, 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:18.560 Like beauty is confidence because even whether it's just having 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.359 good skin or just throwing on that one lipstick, it 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.520 gives you that confidence. It gives you that strength to 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.280 just kind of go through your day. So I would say, yeah, 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:32.000 beauty is confidence. That's what I like that a lot. 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.400 So what's your own personal skincare routine? Oh gosh, I'm 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.320 very because I have some such sensitive skin. I used 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:44.240 to touch us since the indigo cream I have this 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:52.200 um malanie gets. It's like a spot treatment situation if 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.600 I because now with all the masks, my face is 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:58.480 breaking out like crazy. So um, even the slightest redness 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.440 I'll see, I'll just pop it on. But um, an SPF, 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.480 I have to be really dozier about SPF. What's your 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.600 favorite SPF? Um? The Tacha one is really great on 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:13.960 my skin. I also like this k beauty one by 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.199 Cicky Skin. Um. I got it when I was in 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.680 Singapore and it's it's incredible because it works really well 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.639 under makeup too. And what about your health routine, Like, 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.439 what are some of the things you do that you 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:32.399 find really help. Um, I'm pretty good about I'm lactose intolerance, 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.960 so I don't do dairy. I'm right now doing no sugar, 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:41.320 no flour, no. Um. I don't drink so no booze. 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:46.000 But um, I didn't realize how much sugar I ate 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:50.639 and and just in my daily and it's been a 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.359 week and a half and I've seen it completely in 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:58.200 my skin, just how much sugar I consumed and how 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:03.720 dehydrated and just dull my skin. God, I think it's 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:08.600 just too and my gut like I do it um 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:13.159 and digest events on when I eat. But for the 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.800 most time, I'm pretty clean. Do you cook at home? Yeah? Yeah, 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.359 that was the one like silver lining out of this 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.399 whole thing was like getting into the kitchen and just 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:26.760 learning how to cook. So what's next for Daniel Martin? 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:32.199 Oh what's next? Oh gosh, Um, I'm learning how to 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:38.800 make a spreadsheet. I'm really excited about this my day 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.399 job because it's so different, but it's still in the 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:47.080