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Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. So most people know me

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Speaker 1: as a makeup artist, or some might know me as

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Speaker 1: a businesswoman. I'm really lucky I've done both. But just

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Speaker 1: like Daniel Martin, who started as a makeup artist and

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Speaker 1: now he is a corporate businessman as well as a teacher.

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Speaker 1: I've always heard about Daniel Martin the makeup artist. What

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Speaker 1: a wonderful human being he is, and he really came

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Speaker 1: on my radar when I googled to find out who

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Speaker 1: did Megan Markle's makeup at the Royal Wedding. Now everyone

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Speaker 1: knows his name, but that was only one piece of

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Speaker 1: his entire career. I'm really excited to talk to him

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Speaker 1: to find out how he has really achieved these incredible

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Speaker 1: success is and now working with the Japanese beauty brand Tacha.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to talk to him. Hey, Daniel, h

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Speaker 1: I so you did the makeup for Megan Marco for

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Speaker 1: the Royal Wedding and I guess I heard about it,

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Speaker 1: saw it, you know, on social media, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh mg, I've always heard incredible things about you as

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Speaker 1: a person. I always knew that you were a very

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Speaker 1: talented makeup artist, you know, the next gen makeup artist.

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Speaker 1: But everyone just only said how you were the greatest guy.

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Speaker 1: And so I I, you know, as someone that loves

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Speaker 1: celebrating other people's successes, you know, it was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: cool job, so go ahead, now you talk story like.

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Speaker 1: It was really just it was overwhelming and my publicist,

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Speaker 1: I had to get a publicist to that whole situation,

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Speaker 1: and she was just like, you know, if you want,

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Speaker 1: I can filter out your d ms, just kind of

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Speaker 1: monitor because it was just a whole situation. And then

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Speaker 1: she was like, you got a d M from Bobby Brown.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, like Bobby Brown, Bobby Brown. And

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Speaker 1: then in my head, I'm thinking like Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown,

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Speaker 1: and she was like, no, the makeup artist. I was

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Speaker 1: like what. And that's when I realized. I was like, oh, ship,

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Speaker 1: like her wedding was something because at the time, you're

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking all I can do was I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure that my friend looked her

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Speaker 1: best on her wedding day. And she did. By the

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Speaker 1: way she did, she look gorgeous. But it was one

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Speaker 1: of those things where it was just such an out

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Speaker 1: of body experience that when I heard from you, someone

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Speaker 1: who I respected admire for so long, I was like, oh, Ship,

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Speaker 1: like that was I understood the trajectory of that spectacle.

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Speaker 1: M Well, I'm I'm very honored that it stopped too

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Speaker 1: in your tracks. I was so enamored with the entire

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Speaker 1: I remember that because I was working on the tig

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Speaker 1: seeing her afterwards. I'm like, oh my god, how was she? Was?

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Speaker 1: She nice? And she was just like she was so awesome,

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Speaker 1: and just the whole experience, she said, was so much

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Speaker 1: fun for her. We were text friends for a while

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Speaker 1: and she was telling me about this boyfriend she had

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Speaker 1: I was happy for her. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so sent her my best when you talked

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Speaker 1: to her, she she was a doll. So how did

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Speaker 1: you even meet Megan in the first place? We um

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Speaker 1: first season and Suits got picked up, and then that's

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Speaker 1: It's when she she actually reached out to my agent,

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Speaker 1: I don't I've never asked your Actually, Magan, come on,

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Speaker 1: an interesting, like a whole other level. Yeah. But anyways,

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Speaker 1: let's I want to know more about you. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: want to know more about you. But let's talk for

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Speaker 1: a second. How are you doing now? Where you know where?

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Speaker 1: How many months into this pandemic? Like going on seven

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Speaker 1: But I'm being selective with the jobs that I do,

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Speaker 1: being tested every two weeks. So it's just your everything's

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Speaker 1: try to do that in this new way. And and personally,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing now? I mean, this was a

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Speaker 1: the daily things that you took for granted and friendships, family.

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Speaker 1: You definitely have to create this full new normal for

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Speaker 1: yourself now. So first of all, who are you like

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Speaker 1: where were you born. I don't really know that much

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Speaker 1: about your story. I my mom's Vietnamese, my dad's um

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Speaker 1: I was pretty much raised in Central America from five

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Speaker 1: we moved around a lot. Um. But I went to

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Speaker 1: high school in college in Seattle. How did you become

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Speaker 1: I came to New York in two thousand four. Um,

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Speaker 1: that working Did you work for a Veta at the time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you've worked with so many different people and I

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Speaker 1: had such vast experiences. So I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: what the company is, and you know, you have the

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Speaker 1: most incredible skin. I don't know if that is anything

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Speaker 1: I met Vicky ten years ago. She sent me block

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Speaker 1: it was just kind of serdifitous how this all kind

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Speaker 1: more about me on my Instagram page and your Instagram

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