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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. Professor James

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Speaker 1: McKenney has taught computer science, astronomy, as well as numous

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Speaker 1: other math courses and classes. He worked in the US

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Speaker 1: and Latin America with high level Russian scientists a lecture,

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Speaker 1: has presented his research at international conferences. His website linked

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Speaker 1: up at Coast to coastam dot com. He's got several

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Speaker 1: books out, including Planet X Update twenty twenty in the

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Speaker 1: James McKenney, my friend, Welcome back. How are you, Jim George,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Good to be back here. Strange

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Speaker 1: times these days, huh the last day of the year.

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Speaker 1: Who are trying to figure out the past in the future.

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Speaker 1: Any predictions for twenty twenty one? Well, I know twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty baffled me, so I really don't. It's just shooting match.

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing I can say. Yeah, it really

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Speaker 1: is lots to talk with you about tonight, James. But

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Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about Planet X first, because

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Speaker 1: so many people have talked about this extra planet that

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Speaker 1: is somewhere out in the universe and the Solar System.

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Speaker 1: What's your take? I know you just wrote the book

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Speaker 1: Planet X Update twenty twenty, the Real History of Planet X.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on Planet X? Well, the thing that

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Speaker 1: Harrington found which was kind of the crux of the

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Speaker 1: Sitchen story and everything. It was the nucleus of Hailbop,

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Speaker 1: very much hidden from everybody's understanding and including mine, through

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Speaker 1: all those years, and it finally hit me, finally dawned

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Speaker 1: on me exactly what was going on. I followed the

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Speaker 1: orbit back and it was exactly what he discovered. And

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Speaker 1: so that's one issue. But what's really strange now is

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Speaker 1: that NASA and standard science have taken over the Planet

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Speaker 1: X topic. If you do a search, just type planet

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Speaker 1: X and any search engine, then you will come up

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Speaker 1: with all standard science. And it started around twenty fourteen

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Speaker 1: when a couple of young astronomers published a paper showing

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Speaker 1: some grouping of this nearly three thousand new planets they

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Speaker 1: have discovered, actually observed outside of our Solar System in

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Speaker 1: the Kuiper Belt, nearly three thousand new planets of all

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Speaker 1: different sizes than they theorized that there was a big

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Speaker 1: one there, like a Jupiter sized object out there and

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Speaker 1: that got things rolling. Then in twenty sixteen, a guy

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Speaker 1: named Jim Green from NASA went public and he said

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Speaker 1: NASA is behind this. They're going to pursue Planet X

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Speaker 1: with full vigor, and it just kind of negated all

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Speaker 1: of the decades of them saying there was no such

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Speaker 1: thing and anybody who talked about Planet X was crazy.

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Speaker 1: So it's really bizarre how this has changed and all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden has become assa's talking point, one of

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Speaker 1: their big search projects right now. And like I say,

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Speaker 1: when you go to a search engine, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the criticism of me on the

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Speaker 1: internet as McCanny talking about Planet X again and now

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Speaker 1: it's mainstream standard science and NASSA. The light zecor i

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Speaker 1: Assichen James talked about this extra planet he called Nabiru

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Speaker 1: that he claimed was on a thirty six hundred year

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Speaker 1: elliptical orbit, took it way out and brought it way in,

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Speaker 1: and every time it got close to Planet Earth it

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Speaker 1: would play some kind of havoc in the creation. He

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Speaker 1: claimed that there were extraterrestrials on that planet and everything else,

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Speaker 1: But generally, what do you think of his thoughts that

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Speaker 1: it's on a thirty six hundred year elliptical orbit. Well,

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Speaker 1: he got that number from Robert Harrington, the head of

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Speaker 1: the Naval Observatory eighteen eighty six interview, and that was

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Speaker 1: an estimate that Harrington had made at the time, and

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Speaker 1: Harrington later revised that to forty two hundred years. And

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Speaker 1: that wasn't around nineteen ninety one when Harrington actually discovered it,

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Speaker 1: and his work got buried after he died in untimely

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Speaker 1: there's no such thing as planet X and that that's

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Speaker 1: so strange because even though Harrington died, his works should

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Speaker 1: it it just got buried. And if you look up now,

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Speaker 1: the standard explanation is that allegedly, they say Harrington said

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Speaker 1: ridiculous because I have the actual documents that were funded

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Speaker 1: by NASA where Harrington tells exactly where he discovered this

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Speaker 1: so Harrington was pretty close. But that number got propagated

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Speaker 1: So we went from nine planets to eight planets when

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Speaker 1: Pluto was demoted as a planet, And now they're looking

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Speaker 1: for what they call planet nine kind of a plant

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Speaker 1: words almost, And in your opinion, is this planet out there? Well,

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Speaker 1: they're looking at clustering of a bunch of these little objects,

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Speaker 1: It seems like there's something going on. But if you

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Speaker 1: imply if you find three thousand of them, probably one

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Speaker 1: of them is going to be big, or some of

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Speaker 1: them are going to be big. One thing is my

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Speaker 1: original work back when I was at Cornell, was that

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Speaker 1: other stars making planets. You can actually see them. So

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Speaker 1: But the other interesting thing is that MASSA with their

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Speaker 1: nebular collapse. Theory of how the Solar System formed cannot

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Speaker 1: explain why you have three thousand planets out there. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any sense anyway. It's a it's a really interesting time.

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Speaker 1: But I think they probably have discovered big objects. I

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Speaker 1: just think they're kind of shy on talking about them

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Speaker 1: until they get orbital data. Those things move so slowly

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Speaker 1: my guess. What's the significance if there is this extra

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Speaker 1: not something threatening. It's it's certainly nothing that statistically, even

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Speaker 1: if something comes into the Solar System, like you know,

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Speaker 1: be inhabited? Well, there again, that's an interesting concept. I mean,

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Speaker 1: But it's not scientific proof of any kind. No, it

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Speaker 1: roll Planet X update twenty twenty, Well, it's the whole

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Speaker 1: nucleus of Hailbop. But all of the intrigue that happened

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Speaker 1: there's no real scientific proof that there was a planet X.

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Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know of any anything in NASA.

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Speaker 1: They might be protecting some information, but even I don't

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Speaker 1: There's not enough time has gone by to allow them

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Do you think, James, there's a campaign

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Speaker 1: It's all about control, Isn't it all about control? It's

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Speaker 1: just phenomenal. Absolutely. Now you've been looking a lot at

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Speaker 1: And then they asked me to do a study on

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Speaker 1: power company anymore. And we've we've been screaming James to

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