1 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Breaking news. There was just another touchdown in Denver. At 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: least it felt like that when I woke up this morning. 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: Bow Knicks and the Broncos are bawling, and Baldy's here 4 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: to break down how they beat the Browns. Battlestar Galactica 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Week fourteen kicks off in two days with an NFC 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: North thriller in Detroit, or at least it could be 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: a thriller if the Packers defense can figure out how 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: to slow down those lions. Our Stacey Dales will be 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: here to tell you what they're cooking up in Green Bay. 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: I mean, while the Bucks are still alive. In the 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: NFC South, pretty much everybody is, and Tampa's dynamic duel 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: at running back is helping keep that ship afloat where 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: Sean White is going to join the show because nobody 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: sniff arms us, you know, at least not today. Welcome 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: in with the Insiders, presented by Progressive Insurance alongside Judy 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: Batista and Mike Garafollo. I am Tom Pelisero. Amazingly, we 17 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: are two days out from Week fourteen in the NFL, 18 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: five weeks of games to go, sixty eight days until 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine and Really, it's never too early 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: to start looking at the playoff picture. We know two 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: of the fourteen spots already taken. The Chiefs have punched 22 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: their ticket, the Bills have clinched the AFC East Division. 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: And this is what the matchups would look like if 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: the playoffs began today. 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: Spoiler alert, they do not. Although you do. 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: Get Falcons Vikings on Sunday, that's still a regular season game. 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: One team that you have not seen in the hunt 28 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: lurking anywhere else near the playoff picture in quite some time. 29 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars, who also may not be seeing their 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: quarterback for a little bit. Trevor Lawrence suffering a concussion 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: on this hit by Aziz al Shier, who was ejected 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: from that game and today was also suspended three games 33 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: buy the NFL for repeat violations of the NFL's rules. 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: On health and safety. 35 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: In a letter of the NFL's Vice President of Football Operations, 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: John Runyon also cited al Shier's behavior after in which 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: he took off his helmet and cited another brawl as 38 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: he left the field running, writing, in part your lack 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: of sportsmanship and respect for the game of football and 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: all those who play coach and enjoy watching. It is 41 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: troubling and does not reflect the core values of the NFL. 42 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: Texans GM Nick Cassario, he doesn't really agree. 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: Nobody embodies are program more than the ease. What he's about, 44 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: what he's been through, you all know his story. They're 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: not a more selfless individual, more about the team who's 46 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 3: earned the respects. That represents everything that we want this 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: program to be about. I mean, this morning he was 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: at a United So we're talking about some of the 49 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: commentary that has been made about his character, about the 50 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: person that he is, about what his intentions are from 51 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 3: people that quite frankly don't know anything about Aziz al Shaier, Okay, 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: and that for the league to make some of the 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: commentary that he made about lack of sportsmanship, lack of coachability, 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: lack of paying attention to the rules, quite frankly, it's embarrassing. 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 3: So I think the big thing from our and they're 56 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: talking about a player who's never been suspended, never been ejected, 57 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: So now we're saying that he's going to be suspended 58 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: for three games. So look, it is what it is. 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: I think the big thing from our standpoint, and all 60 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: teams want this is just some level of consistency. And 61 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: we've talked to the league quite frankly, but we don't 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: have a good explanation. Dimiko talked to him yesterday. So 63 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it is what it is. I'm sure Azz 64 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: will go through whatever process he's going to go through, 65 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: and then we'll deal with it accordingly. 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: Tell us how you really feel. 67 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Nick ziz al Shire also put out a lengthy statement 68 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: from the notes app on his phone in advance of 69 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: that suspension, in which he apologized so that he respects 70 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence among much more. If you can squint and 71 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: make out the words that were in that statement. There 72 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: were some voices also speaking up on behalf of defensive players, 73 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: including one particular former quarterback you might recognize. 74 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 4: I think there's just it's gone to a point where 75 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: there's really everyone would label a certain player as a 76 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 4: dirty player. 77 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: You know. I don't like that one bit. 78 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: I you know, maybe they find or penalize a quarterback 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 4: for sliding late, you know, and say, look, if we 80 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: don't want these hits to take place, we've got to 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: penalize the offense and the defense rather than just penalize 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: a defensive player for every single play that happens when 83 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 4: there's a hit on a quarterback. 84 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: All right, So we got a lot to unpack here, Judy. 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: We've got Nick Caserio speaking like we've never heard Nick 86 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: Casseio speak before. But also, you rarely see a general manager, 87 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: anyone in power position with an organization with a specific team, 88 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: talking that way about decisions made by the league office. 89 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: You do have players like Tom Brady coming to the 90 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: forefront and while not blaming Trevor Lawrence, basically saying you're 91 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: making it hard when you're talking about punishing defensive players. 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: You also have to take in the totality, as you 93 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: saw in John Runyon's letter, of this is about more 94 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: than simply a single hit. You've covered this league a 95 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: long time. What did you make of the discipline and 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: the reaction to it? 97 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I think this whole episode has 98 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 5: revealed an awful lot of pent up frustration by a 99 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 5: lot of people in the league about how they perceive 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 5: quarterbacks might be taking advantage of rules that are put 101 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 5: in place to protect quarterbacks. 102 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: Having said that, that's not what happened here. 103 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 5: People seem to be conflating Patrick Mahomes running down the 104 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 5: sideline and trying to get a few extra yards and 105 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 5: defenders being afraid to hit him. With what happened here, 106 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence did. I did nothing wrong here. He did 107 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 5: not slide late. He slid exactly when the league tells 108 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 5: quarterbacks the slide. As a matter of fact, he slid early. 109 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: The next play was third and one, so he slid 110 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 5: short of the first down marker. He was not trying 111 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 5: to extend the play. The defender went down led with 112 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 5: his forearm. And obviously there were prior incidents that were 113 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 5: on the league's radar, which is why John Runyon mentioned 114 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 5: those things. And when they look at the totality of 115 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 5: the situation, that's how they arrive at the number. 116 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: I know. 117 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 5: Nick Cassario pointed out he'd never been suspended before, right, 118 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 5: but he had been fined twice this year for actions 119 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 5: for sportsmanlike related and player safety related in fractions, So 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 5: there is a totality of the thing going on here. 121 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 5: And then, of course they also took into consideration what 122 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 5: happened after the hit on Trevor Lawrence when he took 123 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 5: his helmet off and there was a brawl, and the 124 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 5: brawl kept going, so there was a lot here. We 125 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 5: should add this. It's going to be appealed, and we 126 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 5: have seen in the past that on appeal sometimes the 127 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 5: suspension level does come down. 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. 129 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 5: Usually those appeals are decided fairly quickly, within a day 130 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 5: or two, although the fact that the Texans are on 131 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 5: a buy gives them maybe a little bit more time 132 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 5: to decide. But I feel like there has been an 133 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 5: awful lot of emotion attached to this on what looks 134 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 5: to me a very simple case of Trevor Lawrence did 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: exactly what they tell quarterbacks to do to protect themselves, 136 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 5: and the defender went at him. 137 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 6: Looks like it to you, looks like it to John Runyon, 138 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 6: looks like it to Kamari Lassiter. 139 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 7: And I'm sorry, Kamari, and I mean to put you 140 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 7: on the spot here. 141 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: Who is he? 142 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 7: He's a defensive back for the Texans. 143 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 6: He's actually off screen there there's an end zone angle 144 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 6: where you can see. As soon as that hit is 145 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 6: delivered by his ease al Shire, Lassitter puts both hands 146 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 6: on his head like, oh my god, what did he 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 6: just do? So you got that reaction and then you 148 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 6: got the response from. 149 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: The Jaguars right. 150 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 6: That'll tell you that those guys feel like, yeah, there's 151 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,239 Speaker 6: enough evidence here to convict basically, and that he should 152 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 6: be suspended. They're in complete agreement with that, for sure. 153 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 6: I do want to address a few things, like Aziza 154 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 6: Schayer in his statement talked about the anti Islamic comments 155 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 6: that he got, which I assume are from faceless trolls 156 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 6: on social media. Fine, yes, absolutely disgusting. But don't even 157 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 6: give those guys oxygen. Doesn't even matter. And there was 158 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 6: another thing that Nick Cassario said that I am in 159 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 6: agreement with, which is that they can't have any contact 160 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 6: with al Shire during the suspension. That's part of the 161 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 6: NFL's rules, and he said, he's going through some stuff 162 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 6: right now and we can't even contact them. And they 163 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 6: should probably tweak that and allow you to communicate with 164 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 6: a player, just as long as it's not about football, 165 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 6: because that's basically what that's about. But the character part 166 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 6: of this, yes, I'm sure he's a great guy off 167 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 6: the field, and I was thinking about this the other day. 168 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 6: Derek Henry's a great guy off the field. He will 169 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 6: run right through you on the field. I mean, within 170 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 6: the rules. I mean to conflate the two of them here. 171 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 6: But when you're on the football field, you can play physically, 172 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 6: you got to play within the rules. The NFL has 173 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 6: done too much in recent years to guard against head 174 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 6: injuries to go well, you know, late slide. We probably 175 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 6: should tell the court, no, it's going to be this now. 176 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 6: The number and the inconsistency, we could point to that 177 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 6: because the number's sort of been all over the place. 178 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 7: In the last couple of years. 179 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 6: I get that part, but that's the part of the 180 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 6: appeals process Judy that you mentioned, which is a jointly 181 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 6: appointed arbitrator by the NFL and the NFL Players Association. 182 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 6: So don't think they're just appealing back to the league, 183 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 6: and that sometimes will help to clarify the number from 184 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 6: a former player who has played on the Speaking of 185 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 6: former players, I know a lot of people said, hey, 186 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 6: look at his clip of John Runyon playing dirty. 187 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 7: Doesn't mean that he. 188 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 6: Now, as an executive in a different era, can't enact 189 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 6: some justice as he did today. 190 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: If anything, John Runyan knows very well what types of 191 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: hits are within and outside the bounds of the rules. Listen, 192 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Nick a Sario, friend of the show, He's come on 193 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: here before we always love having him on here. It 194 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: takes a lot to get Nick Cassario that worked up 195 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: to say, and we only played part of it here. 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: That went on for a while. 197 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Demiko Ryans in advance of the suspension came out. This 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: is something that clearly had been percolating within that organization. 199 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: Al Shire also is the guy who got away with 200 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: punching Roshawn Johnson in the face mask on the sideline 201 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: and the Bears game earlier this season because there was 202 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: no flag on the play, couldn't be ejected and they 203 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: didn't suspend him. 204 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: There's definitely two sides to this. 205 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: What it means though, on the field is barring a 206 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: successful appeal to one of those former players who's now 207 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: a jointly appointed appeals officer, they will not have Alaziz 208 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: al Shire on the field until Week eighteen, the last 209 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: week of the regular season. You got three critical games 210 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: coming up as the Texans, who have been able to 211 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: stay on top of the SESU so far, but you 212 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: got to keep everybody else, keep the door closed on 213 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: the rest of that division. Some really important football for 214 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: them ahead, not so much for the New York Jets. 215 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: The important football part, if there was anything left to 216 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: it probably went away last week when Aaron Rodgers was 217 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: missing Garrett Wilson wide opening the end zone, then throwing 218 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: a pick six to a two hundred and ninety pound 219 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: defensive lineman on the very next snap. Jeff Olberg has 220 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: said Rogers will remain the starting quarterback, and it certainly 221 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: sounds like the fourtime NFL MVP is on the same page. 222 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 8: To change a culture, to change a program takes time, 223 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 8: and it takes patients, and a lot of ownership around 224 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 8: the league doesn't have the patients. Let that thing go through. Now, 225 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 8: there are certain situations, and I'll let you go there 226 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 8: are certain situations where after a year, you see issues 227 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 8: that are just not fixable, or maybe you see things 228 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 8: that didn't come out of an interview that you just 229 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 8: don't like, or maybe there's off the field stuff that 230 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 8: you don't like. I'm talking about from the upper levels, 231 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 8: and you got to make a change. I understand it. 232 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 8: But for the most part, whether it's a quarterback development 233 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 8: or a team development under a new coach, they need 234 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 8: time to do that. But way more important than that, 235 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 8: and trust me when I say that's way more important 236 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 8: than that. They need the backing of the of the ownership, 237 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 8: because when that backing is out there, and I'm not 238 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 8: talking about privately, I'm talking about privately and publicly, it 239 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 8: changes the energy of the entire team. 240 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, Judy that Rogers means that as a 241 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: one hundred percent broadside against the New York Jets. Sometimes 242 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: when he's saying something with a real intent and purpose, 243 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: it see a little glimmer in his eye. Rogers also 244 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: say a whole lot of things accidentally here. He has 245 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: said after Robert Sahala got fired that he thought Robert 246 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: Sala was a really good coach. After Joe Douglas has fired, 247 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: he said he thinks he's a hell of the general manager. 248 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: There's a lot of reasons to believe that these sides 249 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: are not going to be together next season here, But 250 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: those are important and probably correct comments. As an organization 251 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: that he's with at this particular moment in time is 252 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: frankly doing the exact opposite. 253 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was listening to that and thinking, please ask 254 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 5: the follow up question, Please ask the follow question. 255 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: It didn't happen, but. 256 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 5: I think we can probably read into what Aaron Rodgers said, 257 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 5: even broadly, as he didn't like the way things went 258 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: down at the New York Jets. He just sort of 259 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: philosophically believes that everybody needs more. 260 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 2: Time to develop. 261 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 5: Having said that, I mean, you know, there was Robert 262 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 5: solid was there and Joe Douglas was there long before 263 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers arrived, so they did have a much longer 264 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 5: leash to change the culture at the Jets than Aaron 265 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 5: Rodgers has had. But certainly this just is another indication, 266 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 5: as you mentioned, Tom, that these two sides are probably 267 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 5: headed for a separation. He just doesn't seem to be 268 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 5: happy about the way things have gone down in the 269 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: last few weeks here, and certainly the play has not 270 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 5: been what they had hooked for. So we appear to 271 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 5: be nearing the end of the Aaron Rodgers era at 272 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 5: the Jets, and boy has been a disappointment. 273 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's It's why at this point for the Jets, 274 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 6: it feels like it's got to be more of a 275 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 6: hard reset as Rex Ryan and Eric Mangini are campaigning 276 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 6: for the job. Has anybody called rich Ko Tite recently, 277 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 6: by the way, but it feels like you got to 278 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 6: go new direction, reset, make sure there's an alignment general manager, 279 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 6: head coach. Figure it out with upper management get. 280 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 7: That to flow as well. 281 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 6: And you know for Rodgers to say it takes time, Well, 282 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 6: this was supposed to be the quick fix, right, I mean, 283 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 6: this was the plug and play last piece and really 284 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 6: help let Rogers set the tone here, and it just 285 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 6: didn't really work on a number of fronts for whatever reason. 286 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 6: So it's a fascinating thing for the Jets because there's 287 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 6: still talent on the roster. There is, so if you're 288 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 6: a general manager a head coach coming in, it's not 289 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 6: like this is going to take a while to get going. Theoretically, 290 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 6: it's going to be a fascinating process as they hire 291 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 6: a general manager and a coach to see where they 292 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 6: go to set that culture that Rogers is talking about 293 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 6: and if it's allowed to have from above like he's 294 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 6: alluding to. 295 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: Well, quite frankly, this is gonna be one of the 296 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: challenges for the Jets as they meet with candidates, because 297 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: as much as they're going to be interviewing candidates for 298 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: GM and head coach, those candidates gonna be interviewing the 299 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: Jets too about exactly what the setup is going to be, 300 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: what the involvement of ownership is going to be, There's 301 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: been a lot of different things, some right, some wrong, 302 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: that have been reported. 303 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: What we have to actually go on is the. 304 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Personnel turnover through the course of this season, and then 305 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: a team that just on the field again and again 306 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: has found ways to not be able to get the 307 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: job done, including when you got a chance to go 308 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: up twenty eight to seven at home against the Seahawks, 309 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: you have miss a wide open receiver, throw a pick six, 310 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: and the entire thing goes ahead and flips. 311 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 9: Ra Shanke running back picks the hand off running two 312 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 9: as left follows the block inside the forty outside the 313 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 9: number step farm. 314 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 10: Twenty. 315 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 9: Ben Whit is knocked out of bounds on the chen 316 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 9: yard line the game by Russhawn White, and that'll set 317 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 9: up a. 318 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: Field goal to win for Chase mcglofley. The spot a 319 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: little old. 320 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 9: The kickers airborne in his airborne. 321 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 7: It's airborne and. 322 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 9: It is God Box, wind Box, win Box bat the 323 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 9: Carolina Panthers in overtime, Wow and Tampa Bay Buccaneers now 324 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 9: at five hundred football celebrate what a talk fight for 325 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 9: the Panthers. 326 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders, presented by Progressive Insurance. It's 327 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: Tom Pilisero, Mike Garafalo please be joined right now by 328 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: one absolute superstar and also that guy Rashaan White right there, 329 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: Rashan tell us. 330 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: Tell us who's joining us here? And also Houser stuff are. 331 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, so this is my oldest daughter right here 332 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:49,239 Speaker 11: in Nevia. You say hi. Yeah, so you know, hi Nevea. 333 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 12: The great calls and what we're gonna get into. But 334 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 12: obviously you know family, my little ones I mean a 335 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 12: lot to me. 336 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, uh, Hi Nevea, uh are just absolutely gorgeous. Yeah, 337 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 6: so let's get into it. My cause my cleats tell 338 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 6: us about your cause. Uh, and the cleats that you 339 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 6: got designed for this week. 340 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 11: Yeah, so obviously I mean here go the cleats right here, 341 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 11: so anybody wanted to see them. 342 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 12: Yeah, sorry, slip it this way, get right right there, 343 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 12: Care Portal and obviously, uh just stand together in care 344 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 12: Portal obviously. 345 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: Uh. 346 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 12: Just important to me my cause is care Portal and 347 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 12: what they do and how they align and what they 348 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 12: how to impact uh, you know the community and what 349 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 12: they got going on. Which is an organization that started 350 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 12: up to help out families you know, in crisis or 351 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 12: it needs to keep their families from you know, splitting 352 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 12: up and children going to foster care. And yeah, just 353 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 12: how I was raised with you know, single mom and 354 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 12: she raised four boys and did her thing with that obviously, 355 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 12: just like I said, family, it means a lot to 356 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 12: me to be able to have an impact and share 357 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 12: and I want to say thank you to Care Portal 358 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 12: for helping me and making me one of the faces to. 359 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 11: To you know, keep this thing going and rolling what 360 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 11: they got going on. 361 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: It's always cool show. 362 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 1: And you can use your platform for something that that's 363 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: that personal to you. What I imagine your mom knows 364 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: that you're promoting this cause as well. 365 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: What does she think? 366 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 12: Yeah, she excited about it. She excited about it. She excited, 367 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 12: very excited about it. And you know, she's just happy 368 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 12: for all my success. And the biggest thing she's happy 369 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 12: about is the man that I am and the young 370 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 12: man that I am today and just the things that 371 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 12: I do out in the community to try to impact 372 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 12: and shine light on others and the real things. 373 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 11: That's you know, important in the world. 374 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 12: And you know, not saying football not of course, but 375 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 12: you know, it's other things that need to be attacked 376 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 12: and other things that need to be shot the light 377 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 12: needs to be shone on. And man, she's just proud 378 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 12: of me and she happy. I make her smile all 379 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 12: the time. 380 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 6: That's why we love that might cause Mike cleats initiative. 381 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 6: It shows you more than just what this guy, what 382 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 6: these guys are doing on the field. And speaking of 383 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 6: what you did in the field, we saw that run 384 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 6: there in overtime, We've seen how you've been a successful 385 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 6: running back for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You got Bucky 386 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 6: Irving back there as well. Tell us about the one 387 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 6: two punch you got going in the backfield and why 388 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 6: you think, especially this time of year, run the ball, 389 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 6: whether while you guys think you're gonna. 390 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 7: Be a problem for teams moving forward. 391 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 12: Yeah, so obviously, yeah, me and Bucky bring a different 392 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 12: aspect to the game. 393 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 11: We're two totally different you know runners. 394 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 12: I would say one thing we share in common is 395 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 12: just you know, getting the ball, catching it out of 396 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 12: space and things like that, being able to make guys missing, 397 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 12: uh you know, uh, just to be able to be 398 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 12: electric and make plays and be a playmaker. And then 399 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 12: obviously we both got different styles that compliment one another. 400 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 12: And obviously, yeah, hass off to my boy. Man hate 401 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 12: tremendous and what he been doing this rookie year and. 402 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 11: Bored thanks and. 403 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 12: This tremendous of what he been doing a rookie year. 404 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 12: I'm very proud of it. I tell him out of time. 405 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 12: We talk about it, sit by each other on the 406 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 12: plane and obviously we do things outside of the ball 407 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 12: and stuff like that. 408 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 11: So, uh, it's just amazing and what we got going on. 409 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 11: I mean, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough 410 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 11: to you know, handle us going forward. 411 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 12: And I just want to give a shout out to 412 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 12: our office a line too, and uh, everybody that has 413 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 12: been involved with this blocking being awesome. 414 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, you guys went through that that injury patch too, 415 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: where obviously Chris godwins over the season, Indian injury, Mike 416 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: Evans misses a whole bunch of time. 417 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: Those are big challenges for a team to get through. 418 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: But it seems like your quarterback Baker Mayfield, even in 419 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: those moments, even when the winds work coming, he's doing 420 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: stuff every week that belongs on highlight reels. He's stiff 421 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: arming dude somehow getting off the passes. What have you 422 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: seen from him, especially under somewhat challenging circumstances to help 423 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: you guys stay right in the thick of this playoff Chase. 424 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 12: Yeah man, Uh, just being baked man, Uh, just being 425 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 12: shaken bake man. 426 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 11: Uh, it's been awesome. 427 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 12: It's been tremendous to see what he do and what 428 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 12: he you know, has done, and. 429 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 11: Just the kind of guy he is. 430 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 12: The playmaker, is the charisma he bring, the juicy he 431 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 12: brings to this team, and just the dog he brings 432 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 12: to this team. And his leadership has been amazing. I mean, 433 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 12: for example, like me, I thought he was about to 434 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 12: be done the way he grabbing his leg last game, 435 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 12: and next thing you know, he come back. He's the 436 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 12: undertaker or something. I'm like playing just like I thought 437 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 12: Kyle was just in here. But uh, just amazing man. 438 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 12: I'm happy for him too. Obviously, we love him here, 439 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 12: We feed off of him, and yeah, man, were ready 440 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 12: to make this big. 441 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 11: Push that we've been trying to focus on and got 442 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 11: going on. 443 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 6: He thought he was done too. He's thought he tours Achilles. 444 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 6: Thankfully he wasn't. Thankfully for all of us who like 445 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 6: watching Baker Mayfield and you guys who like playing alongside him. 446 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 7: Uh, Tom talked about that that little rough patch, a. 447 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 6: Couple of injuries. Your quarterback's got to keep you up. 448 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 6: Your head coach has to keep you up as well. 449 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 6: Tell us what Todd Bowles has done to help this 450 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 6: team keep the faith the last couple. 451 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 12: Of weeks, man, I mean, I think he just been 452 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 12: making things so before us and understanding and just you know, 453 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 12: been delivering great messages for us to just focus on ourselves. 454 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 12: At the end of the day, we can't control anything 455 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 12: else outside of this building. So I think that's been 456 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 12: the main thing, his messages and just trying to put 457 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 12: the defense in, you know, the best position guys to 458 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 12: succeed and be successful. And then Oswell is the whole 459 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 12: team him giving off the messages and understanding that you know, 460 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 12: we we got to control our side, control our head, 461 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 12: and then the tables fall where they fall. 462 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, long as we 463 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 11: control what we need to do. 464 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 12: We think he believed we've got a great shot and 465 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 12: you know, we'd be able to lay our heads on 466 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 12: our pillow at night and be able to rest and 467 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 12: sleep with. 468 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: You look at more about care portal. That is the 469 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: cause for Rashad White that he's promoting also watching running 470 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: on Sundays, stiff farming dudes and accarently you know occasionally 471 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: planned dad here too would being a big softy over there. 472 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: We appreciate you, man, We appreciate you in the bay and. 473 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 11: Bye bye, say thank you, y'all, thank y'all. 474 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, or Sean White, everybody. We need more kids 475 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: on this show. You know that we need more of that. 476 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: We need more of that energy. Jameis Winston brings that 477 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: energy as well, also occasionally bring the pass, bring some 478 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: scores to the other team. Could God deliver him from 479 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: those picks sixes? Maybe Brian Baldinger can help him get 480 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: some answers. Coming up after this, Broncos taking on the Browns, 481 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: bo Nicks coming in leading all rookies with sixteen passing 482 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: touchdown spoiler alert. He added to that in fine fashion, 483 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: the kids call this a dot to Marvin Mims takes 484 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: him to the house a ninety three yard touchdown. Someone 485 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: tells me, you're going be seeing that one at NFL 486 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: Honors and they're giving out those awards in February and 487 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: doing Brown's drive though, Jameis Winston comes. 488 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 6: Back a shot of his own seventy young touchdown to 489 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 6: Jerry Judy, who absent the final score, put on as 490 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 6: good of. 491 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: A revenge game performance as You're going to see more 492 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: on that a little bit later. James Wentz actually counted 493 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: for six touchdowns in this game, passing, but two of 494 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: them happened to be for the other team. That includes 495 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: this Jakwan McMillan going down then realizing, hey, nobody touched me. 496 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get up. I'm gonna take it to the house. 497 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: Broncos go on to win forty one two thirty two. 498 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: Time Now for game Flow, presented by Progressive Insurance, it's 499 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: Tom Peliasero here back on the Insiders, joined now by 500 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: our Brian Balldningger. This was wild Baldy, absolutely back and 501 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 1: forth in your mind. What was the pivotal moment in 502 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: this game that allowed Denver to take it all? 503 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 13: Tom, we just saw it at the very end. I mean, 504 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 13: there's a minute and fifty nine seconds to go in 505 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 13: the game. Cleveland's got the ball at the forty two 506 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 13: yard line. It's thirty four to thirty two. They got 507 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 13: three timeouts. All they gotta do is march down and 508 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 13: field goal. Ranging Jaquan McMillan, one of the better slot 509 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 13: defenders in this league. Yeah, he gets his interception and 510 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 13: he takes it back to the Ols for touchdown to 511 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 13: take that lead to forty one to thirty two. I 512 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 13: don't think in the game flow game, you know, moment 513 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 13: of the game. It came so late because it was 514 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 13: so back and forth between these two offenses, Bo Nixon, 515 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 13: Jameis Winston. But this kid right here, Jakwan McMillan, he 516 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 13: had three passes defense, he had the interception, he had 517 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 13: the touchdown. He's a rising star in this business in 518 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 13: the secondary. That's very, very talented. 519 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: Paldi, Thank you very much. We will look forward to 520 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: talking to you again soon. 521 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 2: Judy. 522 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 7: Yeah. 523 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 5: Well, AFC East champions about as early as you can 524 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 5: possibly clinch a division. The Buffalo Bills did it in 525 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 5: the snow on Sunday night. They haven't even played a 526 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 5: game against the Patriots yet. All they have to worry 527 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 5: about now is playoff seating. Can they catch the Chiefs, 528 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 5: can they hold off the Steelers? We will see in 529 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 5: the next five weeks, But right now it is time 530 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: for us the Aces presented by ACE Hardware, and so 531 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 5: we welcome in our Ace Jeffrey Chidia to talk about 532 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: his First Read column at NFL dot com slash First Read. 533 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 5: And this week you talk about making the cases for 534 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 5: and against four MVP candidates. I gotta think Josh Allen 535 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 5: is at the very top of that list. 536 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 10: Well, he is, and I'll give you three quarterbacks to 537 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 10: go along with Josh Allen. We'll start with Josh because he, 538 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 10: to me, is the front runner. Now. You saw the 539 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 10: big win he had over Patrick Mahomes and the undefeated Chiefs. 540 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 10: You saw the way he played the other day in 541 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 10: the snow making that touchdown pass and touchdown catch on. 542 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: The same play. But the big thing here is. 543 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 10: That he's been able to take a supporting cast and 544 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 10: didn't have Stefan Diggs and get them to the ACAST Championship, 545 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 10: get them in position to possibly get that top seed again, 546 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 10: and you'll get the top seed in the AFC. And 547 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 10: to me, no one thought Josh Allen could do this. 548 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 10: He's played better football and he's gotten it done. Number 549 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 10: two on this list is Lamar Jackson. He was in 550 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 10: control a couple of weeks ago, and he still has 551 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 10: great numbers. You look at the numbers of everybody in 552 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 10: this run in the running for this, he is hands 553 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 10: down the best twenty nine touchdown passes, three interceptions, He's 554 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 10: got almost seven hundred yards rushing. 555 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: In fact, he's got. 556 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 10: Better fats this year than he had last year when 557 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 10: he won the award, And so you can make the 558 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 10: case for him with the way he's played as a 559 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 10: passer and runner. And then finally, Jerry Goff's got to 560 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 10: be in the equation just because of what he's done 561 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 10: with that Lion's offense. Best Offensive Football has gotten over 562 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 10: forty points four times. He's been more of a game 563 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 10: manager type player. And I know he's got Ben Johnson 564 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 10: and all those weapons, but if this was Patrick Mahomes 565 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 10: or Josh Allen running this offense at the level that 566 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 10: they're operating, he would be the front runner. So Jerry 567 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 10: Goff has got to. 568 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: Be in there as well. 569 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 5: Judy, all right, Well, we know over the last decade 570 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 5: or so, the MVP has really turned into a quarterbacks award, 571 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 5: But I think this year, maybe again in the first 572 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 5: time in more than a decade, you could make a 573 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 5: strong case for running backs to be considered. 574 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 10: Yeah, and number one of that lists of Sakuon Barkley, 575 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 10: just because of the way he's been playing. The new 576 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 10: York Giants owner John Marrage. I'm sure it's still, you know, 577 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 10: having trouble sleeping watching this guy. 578 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: Every week doing what he's been doing. 579 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 10: He's on pace to break Eric Dickerson's rushing record, a 580 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 10: secule season rushing record, and that alone might get him 581 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 10: to the top. When you're running back, you got to 582 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 10: do great things, and that would be a phenomenal achievement. 583 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: More than anything, though. 584 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 10: He's become the heartbeat of this offense and the guy 585 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 10: who's helped this team get to ten and two. And 586 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 10: then Derek Henry, I think is still going to be 587 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 10: in the conversation. He's got a tougher task because he's 588 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 10: kind of falling off lately. 589 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: Haven't had one hundred yard games. 590 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 10: But when you look at Baltimore starting zero and two, 591 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 10: they were writing this guy to get their season turnaround. 592 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 10: He went for almost one hundred and fifty yards a 593 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 10: game for five straight games. He helped get this offense stabilize, 594 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 10: help Lamar Jackson get to where he's gotten, and he's 595 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 10: put in the best off He's an afflaton of the 596 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 10: season outside of sa Kawon Barkley, so he's got to 597 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 10: be there. 598 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 5: As well, Jeffrey, thank you. Everybody read his column every 599 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 5: week NFL dot com slash first read. 600 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: Time. 601 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: Now to go inside with NFL Fantasy Live. Here on 602 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: the Inside is presented by Progressive Insurance. It's Tom Pelisero, 603 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: It's Mike Garafulo, it is Michael f Florio. Last week 604 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: was glorious, Michael, because nobody was on a buy. Every 605 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: single team played. You didn't run into any of those 606 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: roster types of issues. 607 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 2: But here we are. We're getting you a day early 608 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: this week, so waiver wires have not yet hit. Who's 609 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: a guy I should be thinking about that. I need 610 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: to be getting off waivers. 611 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 14: If any league officials are watching, maybe not have six 612 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 14: teams on buy on the final week of the regular 613 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 14: season next season. 614 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 7: But with so many buys. 615 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 14: Mark hes Valdez Stantling welcome to our fantasy lives. Not 616 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 14: only has he averaged eighteen fantasy points per game in 617 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 14: his last three games. We know he is boom or bust, 618 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 14: but the ceiling is very high as he is operating 619 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 14: as the new Rashid Shaheed in this Saints offense. But 620 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 14: he has a great chance to go this week against 621 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 14: the Giants, who allowed a sixty eight percent completion percentage 622 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 14: on deep passes this year. For context, no other team 623 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 14: is above forty six percent. They also have allowed by 624 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 14: far the highest passer rating on deep passes. So good 625 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 14: matchup for him to take advantage of his skill set here. 626 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 14: He is the upside with six teams on By if 627 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 14: you are digging, diving a little deeper to flip your 628 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 14: matchup if he hits. So he is someone that I 629 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 14: am plugging into a number of lineups this week and 630 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 14: just hoping it just takes one big catch. That's what 631 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 14: I'm hoping. 632 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 7: For this week. 633 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 6: Hold up, NFL VP of broadcast planning Mike North just 634 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 6: called me. 635 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 7: Would you want me to tell Florio shut up? Shut up? 636 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 7: S ak d d you pick? 637 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? All right? 638 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 6: Thanks Mike, SOA yeah, doesn't like your idea of nobody's 639 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 6: laten season quarterback Jayden Daniels on a bye, I'll call 640 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 6: Mike North back. 641 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 7: You know we have him, we drafted him, We you 642 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 7: and I for my team. 643 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: Who do I. 644 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 7: Claim to worry about anyone? 645 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 14: You have the playoffs locked up, but if you are 646 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 14: fighting for your playoff lives and there's so many good 647 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 14: quarterbacks on By this week the waiver wires. Thin Aiden 648 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 14: O'Connell is someone that. 649 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: Can help you out. 650 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 7: Not only did he play really well last week. 651 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 14: Three hundred and forty passing yards, two touchdowns, Minshew had 652 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 14: one game within sixty yards and just two games with 653 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 14: multiple passing touchdowns this season. But it's all about the 654 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 14: matchup as well. The Bucks have allowed the second most 655 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 14: fantasy points per game two quarterbacks. They just allowed a 656 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 14: career high in fantasy points to Bryce Young, and they've 657 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 14: allowed a top eight fantasy quarterback in five of their 658 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 14: last six games. The one game they didn't was the 659 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 14: New York Giants Tommy DeVito. But no Lamar, no Jaden, 660 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 14: no Pote Nicks, Anthony Richardson, Drake May c J. 661 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 7: Stroud. You're gonna have to dive deep this week. 662 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 14: And AOC is my favorite of the streaming options that 663 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 14: are on waivers this week. 664 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: All right, let's click beyond week fourteen. Here. 665 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: I have a team in which I have Christian McCaffrey, 666 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: Jordan Mason, and Tasam hit Well. All those guys headed 667 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: to the waifer aware of themselves this week, Who's somebody 668 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: I should be targeting? They could help me just limp 669 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: to the finish line here. 670 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 14: For your sake, I hope you get Isaac Grendo, but 671 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 14: everyone is going after him this week. So a little 672 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 14: under the radar running back I like is Sincere McCormick, 673 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 14: who turned twelve carries into sixty four yards last week. 674 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 14: His five point three yards per carry was the best 675 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 14: any running back has put up against the Chiefs this season. 676 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 14: And after that game, Antonio Pierce said he earns more 677 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 14: reps and that is important because the Raiders have the 678 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 14: best running back schedule for fantasy in the playoffs, and 679 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 14: they finished with the Jags and Saints, who are both 680 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 14: in the top seven in Fantasy points allowed to running. 681 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 6: Backs already picked them up, had that little window on 682 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 6: Saturday where guys aren't on waivers and they're available to 683 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 6: just grab pick them up. Then, Florie, I'm on the ball. 684 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 6: What am I asking you about? 685 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 7: Who am I to? 686 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 13: Oh? 687 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, Jayden has a tough matchup in Week sixteen once 688 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 6: he comes back from the by, It's gonna be a 689 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 6: playoff game for any other quarterback people should be looking 690 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 6: for for a playoff push pay in any attention. 691 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 14: This might have sounded crazy a couple weeks ago, but 692 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 14: Bryce Young like just watch him play. Since he has 693 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 14: come back, he has looked the part and he is 694 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 14: coming off of his career best Fantasy day and in 695 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 14: the last two weeks he is a top ten fantasy quarterback. 696 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 14: Plus he gets the best quarterback schedule in the fantasy 697 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 14: playoffs with the Cowboys Cardinals, and then in Championship week 698 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 14: he gets the Bucks again, who he just had. 699 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 7: His career day again. 700 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 14: So quarterback is thinning out this time of year. If 701 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 14: you need insurance or if you don't like your Week 702 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 14: seventeen quarterback matchup, this is a way to get out 703 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 14: in front of it and have a good one. I 704 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 14: would rather have Bryce Young than CJ. Stroud the rest 705 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 14: of the way. 706 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 7: We have reached that. 707 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: Point, Michael, Thank you very much. We will talk to 708 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: you next week in playoff time, at least fantasy playoff 709 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: time coming up after this Week fourteen kicks off with 710 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 1: a great one. It's Thursday Night football in Detroit, But 711 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: can the beat up Packers find answers for those high 712 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: flying Lions. 713 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: Stacy Dale's will. 714 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 15: Be here with her report right after this on The Insiders. 715 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 5: Thursday Night Football on Prime returns with one of the 716 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 5: NFL's oldest rivalries. It's Jordan Love and the Green Bay 717 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 5: Packers versus Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions this Thursday, 718 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 5: eight fifteen pm Eastern Time, only on Prime Video. This 719 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 5: one has major playoff implications, and to discuss all of that, 720 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 5: we bring in our Stacy Dale. Stacy, there are not 721 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 5: too many concerns about the Detroit Lions right now, but 722 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 5: if you had one, it would be how banged up 723 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 5: they are on defense? So how do they slow down 724 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 5: that Packers offense? 725 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 16: Yeah, Judy, a great point. I can't even go through 726 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 16: the list of names. It's too extensive, extensively long, given 727 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 16: all the stars that are on IR for the Detroit Lions. 728 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 16: But Aaron Glenn just keeps getting the job done. What 729 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 16: a heck of a job their defensive coordinator has done. 730 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: I was at the game in really bad weather, Judy. 731 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 16: In week nine in Green Bay, the Lions go in there, 732 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 16: their march in Kirby Joseph has a pick six, tries 733 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 16: to steal my microphone. 734 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: He was so pumped after the game. 735 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 16: But the bottom line is, though the Packers are playing 736 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 16: better football over the last couple games, there's two things 737 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 16: to keep in mind here. 738 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 2: With Jordan Love. 739 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 16: He hasn't thrown a pick in two straight games. That's 740 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 16: huge because when he doesn't throw interceptions, the Packers typically win. 741 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 16: He's also coming off of a season high one hundred 742 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 16: and twenty nine passer rating against the Dolphins. 743 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: Both of these teams. 744 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 16: Played on Thanksgiving, so they both have the same amount 745 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 16: of rest, which is great news for the Packers. Josh 746 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 16: Jacobs because when he's rested, he's really good. Five straight 747 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 16: games one hundred plus yards from scrimmage, Josh Jacobs. This 748 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 16: offense is Aaron Glenn talked about. It runs through this 749 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 16: running back in his first season with the Packers. You 750 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 16: love what Matt Lafleur has done. They are riding him 751 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 16: like a title wave and certainly hoping they can do 752 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 16: that as they head into Ford Field, where they last 753 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 16: won on Thanksgiving Day, Judy, last year, Jordan Love didn't 754 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 16: get his turkey leg, but I think he'll be okay 755 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 16: with another victory without a turkey. 756 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 2: Leg this Thursday, if that should happen, all right. 757 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 5: On the flip side, the Lions have so much talent 758 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 5: on offense, they just throw so many things at opposing defenses. 759 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 5: Defenses really have to pick their poison, what they're going 760 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 5: to slow down. 761 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: So how do the Packers address that? 762 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 16: Put together the best game plan you can if you're 763 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 16: Jeff Hafley the defensive coordinator, Judy, because they come at 764 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 16: you in waves, and it starts with their offensive line. 765 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 16: Matt Lafleur said this week, maybe the best line in football. 766 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 16: He said, Jared Goff the quarterback, as we see the 767 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 16: b roll in front of us playing MVP cal football. 768 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 16: And then these running backs we call him now Sonic 769 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 16: and Knuckles is Jamior Gibbs in front of you. 770 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 2: That's Sonic. 771 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 16: Knuckles is this guy David Montgomery. And they just do 772 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 16: things in such a variety of ways in and out 773 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 16: of the backfield. I spoke with Kenny Clark this week 774 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,479 Speaker 16: from the Packers d and he said they're the best 775 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 16: tandem in football at the running back position. But it 776 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 16: is the spectrum of ways that the Lions can beat 777 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 16: you other. Top five passing the football, they're top five 778 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 16: running the football. They are the number one scoring offense. 779 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 16: I believe that still stands in the National Football League. 780 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,479 Speaker 16: Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator, said this week, even if 781 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 16: teams know what's coming, it's still challenging to stop us. 782 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 16: That is how confident the Detroit Lions are, and certainly 783 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 16: Jeff Hafley's defense, They're going to have to disguise, change 784 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 16: up the looks, get pressure on Jared Goff, and hope 785 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 16: that their offense can score some points to match what 786 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,479 Speaker 16: the Detroit Lions have done all season, which is score 787 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 16: a lot of points throughout. They are eleven to one, 788 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 16: their best record, their best start to a season in 789 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 16: franchise history. 790 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 2: Duty can't wait to watch this one Thursday night. 791 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 5: Stacy Dale's thank you very much, Tom. 792 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: A game so big, we got to do a double preview. 793 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: Let's bring in Prime video on Thursday night. Football's analytics 794 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: expert Sam Schwarzstein to use next gen stats to take 795 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: us even deeper into Packers' Lions. You don't have to 796 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: go very deep, Sam, to know these are two of 797 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: the best offenses in the NFL. You just heard Stacy 798 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: talking about what Ben Johnson's able to. 799 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 2: Do, all the creativity. 800 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: What are the numbers tell us about what makes this 801 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 1: Lion's offense elite? 802 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 17: Yeah, you heard Stacy say that. Ben Johnson said, even 803 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 17: if teams know it, we can still beat him. But 804 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 17: he's so good at keeping defenses off their game by 805 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 17: utilizing play action. Jared goffis the most dropbacks, utilizing play 806 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 17: action thirty nine percent of the time. 807 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 2: But he's also effective when doing that. 808 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 17: He's a fifty eight percent success rate when utilizing play 809 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 17: action faking the run, go deep, but also with the 810 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 17: amount they run the ball, they keep people thinking it 811 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 17: could be a run, it could be a pass. 812 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,240 Speaker 2: The run game. 813 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 17: Sets up the pass, but the pass game also sets 814 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 17: up the run because it all looks the same. They 815 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 17: lead and run action rate. They can beat you deep, 816 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 17: they can beat you short, and they can utilize it 817 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 17: in the red zone. One of the best spots that 818 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,479 Speaker 17: they do utilize it is on plays like this, which 819 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 17: we all heard of, Spider two why Banana? This is 820 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,959 Speaker 17: actually Spider two why over? And he hits the over 821 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 17: on this place. So you know what the Lions really 822 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 17: want to do is try and keep you off schedule 823 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 17: by utilizing that play action. 824 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: Spider two why Over not nearly as catchy as the 825 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: one with the banana. There are a lot of people 826 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: who were upset around the Packers about Aaron Jones being released. 827 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,959 Speaker 1: Obviously he's gone to Minnesota, had a really good year, 828 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: but they did it in concert with signing the guy 829 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: in Josh Jacobs, who Sam has certainly seemed like he 830 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: is worth absolutely every penny. 831 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 17: Yeah, analytic excuse to tell people don't ever spend our 832 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 17: running backs. 833 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 2: Running backs don't matter. 834 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 17: Well just because of markets, and I don't want to 835 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 17: get too into that. Let's really talk about what's happening 836 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 17: on the field. But Josh Jacobs is able to break 837 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 17: those runs off that normally other running backs would. When 838 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 17: you look at rush yards over expected, specifically his rush 839 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 17: is over expected. He has a forty eight percent rush 840 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 17: is over expected. That'd be third amongst the premier running 841 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 17: backs in the NFL. 842 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 2: It's the ability to break tackles. He has twenty five. 843 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 17: In the last two weeks, just twenty five misstackles force 844 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 17: that's number one in the NFL, and he's third in 845 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 17: the NFL in those mistackles. It's not just that, because 846 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 17: if the play is not blocked perfectly, Josh Jacobs can 847 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 17: still make teams pay on defense. 848 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: A mildly surprised that we still have Sonic and Knuckles 849 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: relevant as an archetype in twenty twenty four, because I'm 850 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: not sure that David Montgomery Junior Gibbs are old enough 851 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,919 Speaker 1: to remember the second Genesis video game that I spent 852 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: way too much of my childhood playing here. But when 853 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: you look at these two guys, just tell me what 854 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: the numbers say about their impact. 855 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 17: Yeah, Sonic and Knuckles is the game that me and 856 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 17: my brother grew up on. It was a huge game 857 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 17: for everybody because of speed and power, and using the 858 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 17: next Gen stats we actually see exactly how they are 859 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 17: with that speed. Jamiir Gibbs being Sonic with speed, He's 860 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 17: reached the highest top speed in the NFL amongst ball 861 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 17: carriers at over twenty two miles per hour, and he 862 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 17: has the fastest speed at line of scrimmage amongst the 863 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 17: premieer backs in the NFL. And then for David Montgomery, 864 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 17: it's also his rushes over expected and mistackle sports. He's 865 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 17: more of that Josh Jacobs type. He's able to break 866 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 17: tackles of the line of scrimmage. And what's so important 867 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 17: is the biggest analytic we use in to define success 868 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 17: is success rate. Great name for it, I know, and 869 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 17: both these running backs are number one and number two, 870 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 17: even though they do it in their own ways. 871 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: Sam thank you very much. We will talk to you 872 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: next Tuesday. Pepsi zero sugar nominees for Week thirteen have been. 873 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 2: Released for the Rookie of the Week. 874 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: You can go cast your vote right now NFL dot 875 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 1: com slash Rookies. If there were an award for best 876 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: revenge game, I think Jerry Judy safely would win that one. 877 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: With two hundred and thirty five years deam with loss, 878 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: he with a loss in Denver. But Judy, the question 879 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: must be raised, what's the best revenge game you've ever seen? 880 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 5: Tom Brady's returned to Foxborough in twenty twenty one. He'd 881 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 5: already won a Super Bowl with the Bucks. But it 882 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 5: was very awkward, It was raining, he didn't play particularly well. 883 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 2: Very weird experience. 884 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 6: I covered Eli Manning back to San Diego in two 885 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 6: thousand and five. He did not play well, the team 886 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 6: did not play well. But man, they gave it to 887 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 6: him that night. Oh man, I'd have more time to 888 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,479 Speaker 6: tell you a better story, but we're out of time. 889 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,840 Speaker 1: Best one I've ever seen. Brett fav coming back to 890 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,879 Speaker 1: the Metrodome to face the Packers, hard to beat. 891 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,600 Speaker 2: Well, see tomorrow