1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to saver, a production of iHeartRadio. I'm 2 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Lauren Wolgeban, standing in solo today for my co host 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: Annie Reese. So what happened was we're heading into dragon 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: Con weekend here in Atlanta, and in preparation for that, 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: because Annie Bless still has the energy and wherewithal to 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: attend every year, we wanted to do a classic episode. 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: We prepared one for you about Nutmeg, and then today, 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: right before we published it, it occurred to me that 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: we already classiced that episode like nine months ago, in 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty four. So I've put together this 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: for you instead. Today we have a classic episode for 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: you about Isabella Beaton. She is the author of a 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: wildly influential English cookbook of the Victorian air Barah called 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Missus Beaton's Book of Household Management. We originally published this 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: one in January of twenty nineteen. And why was this 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: one on your mind? Annie might ask, if she were 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: not at Dragon Con. I was thinking about all of 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: the glorious period and very anachronistic costumes that occur there, 19 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: and so I was thinking, yeah, let's spend a little 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: bit of time in the Victorian era today, So yes, 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: without further ado, I'm going to let former Annie and 22 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: Lauren take it away. Hello, and welcome to Savor. I'm 23 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Annie Reach and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're doing 24 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: another cookbook author profile, Yes. 25 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: Profiles and deliciousness as I like to as I've coined 26 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: it on Isabella Beaten. 27 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: And it has been a long. 28 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: Time since we've done a specific person, Yes, seemed episode. 29 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, previously we have talked about they. 30 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: Have names, Julia Child and James Beard. There you go, Yes, 31 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: those are their names. And this is a person I 32 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 2: had previously never heard of, but a couple of you 33 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: have requested her and it seems like she was a 34 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: pretty big deal. Uh. 35 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I think that anyone who has lived in the 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: UK for any amount of time is thoroughly familiar with 37 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: the character of her at any rate. While I was 38 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: researching her, I opened my conversations with people who were like, 39 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: what are you researching? And I was like, how familiar 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: are you with UK cookbooks? 41 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: Perhaps missus Beaten more people might recognize that. Yeah, but 42 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: to our question, yes, not what is it? 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: Who is it? 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: Well? Isabella Beaton was a Victorian English era author whose 45 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: work largely concerned household and kitchen management and included a 46 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: lot of recipes. Her magnum opus was the Book of 47 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Household Management. This was a thousand plus page tome quote 48 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: comprising information for the mistress, housekeeper, cook, kitchen maid, butler, footman, coachman, valet, 49 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: upper and under housemaids, ladies, maid, made of all work, 50 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: laundry made, nurse and nurse maid, monthly, wet and sick nurses, 51 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Also SAMs Harry Medical and Legal 52 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: memoranda semi colon with a history of the origin, properties 53 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: and uses of all things connected with home life and comfort. 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: So it covered a lot. 55 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: That was the subtitle of the book. It was like 56 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: on the front page, I love it. Yes, this is 57 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: a book about how to be a middle class early 58 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Victorian early to mid Victorian era woman, written by someone 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: who was actually very modern and fashionable in her time, 60 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: and as such it's just fabulously telling about what life 61 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: was like for a few segments of folks back then, 62 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: middle class women certainly, but also people working as servants 63 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: in that sort of household, and various folks involved in 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: food production and both colonizers and the colonized in England's Empire. 65 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: As the recipes included some two thousand recipes. By the way, 66 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: they show how food ways were changing in this era 67 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: of industrialization and the rapidly expanding technology and travel and 68 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: city living that went with all of that. So what 69 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: just a little bit. It's a really fascinating thing to 70 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: flip through. 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it's very illuminating as to the time 72 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: and the concerns of that Time's. Speaking of time, let's 73 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 2: go back in history, talk about Isabella Meton's history. Yes, 74 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: she was born Isabella Mary Mason in London on March twelfth, 75 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: eighteenth thirty six, as the daughter of Benjamin Mason and 76 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Jerrem. 77 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: Her father died when she. 78 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: Was young, and her mother remarried a widower named Henry Dorling, 79 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: who had four children from his previous marriage. Dorling was 80 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: the clerk of a race course and they moved to Epsom, Surrey. 81 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: For what was expected. 82 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: And the norm at the time, Isabella was well educated 83 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: compared to other women. She studied music and language in Heidelberg, 84 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: Germany from eighteen fifty one to eighteen fifty three, and 85 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: during those two years she mastered the piano and took 86 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: some lessons from a pastry maker and confectioner. She participated 87 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: in fitting sessions with the London dressmaker. She was getting 88 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: all kinds of experience. She was also the oldest of 89 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: twenty one siblings. 90 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: It's more than two. I can't understand it either. 91 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: Goode if I had trouble with my two siblings and 92 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: this gave her a lot of what would become relevant 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: experience in household management, I'm sure it did right. She 94 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: got her start writing in eighteen fifty six after marrying 95 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: a rich publisher by the name of Samuel Beaton. From 96 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: the things I read, he was a super ambitious, very 97 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: high strung individual. This is like old timey gossip, but 98 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: I saw that in a couple of places a description 99 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: of him. He did not get along with Isabella's stepfather, 100 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: Henry Dorling, who by this time was involved in the 101 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: nascent government of Surrey, a printing business, and the National 102 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: Derby Festival, because of their rocky relationship. The rocky relationship 103 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: between her stepfather and Samuel, their courtship Samuel and Asbella's 104 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: courtship took place mostly be a letter. 105 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Sam owned and edited, among other publications, a monthly periodical 106 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: called The English Woman's Domestic Magazine, and Isabella started out 107 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: her work for the magazine translating novels from French to 108 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: English for serialization. Isabella started writing a column for it 109 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty seven called Cookery, Pickling and Preserving, and 110 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: apparently her first recipe was not a success. She either 111 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: forgot to mention how much flour is supposed to go in, 112 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: or she like left out the fact that you should 113 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: probably add eggs. Something was wrong with it. And her 114 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: good sponge cake was not good and she printed an 115 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: apology about it in the next issue. 116 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: Ooh, an apology for a bad sponge cake. Yeah. 117 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: If this was a comic book, I bet this is 118 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: like the flashback scene to how she got her start, 119 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: Like never again, What can I do to prevent this 120 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: from ever happening again? 121 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 122 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: By all accounts, like, she wasn't really fond of or 123 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: good at cooking, but she was great at writing and 124 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: the column became very popular among the magazine's readers. 125 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: Off of that success, her husband got the idea for 126 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: a men's only magazine called The Boy's Own Magazine, which 127 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: he launched with the help of Isabella. She also helped 128 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: him expand printing Christmas annuals, guides and dictionaries. In eighteen 129 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: fifty eight, Isabella opened a soup kitchen to help provide 130 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: food to poor children. 131 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: And by eighteen sixty she had taken over as editor 132 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: of English Women's Domestic magazine from Sam, and the two 133 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 1: of them had a kid. They were living in Pinner, 134 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: which is a suburb of sorts kind of like twelve 135 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: miles outside of London, and Isabella and Sam commuted into 136 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: the city daily, leaving their kid at home. She was 137 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: like probably the only middle class woman like in the 138 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: first class train carriage going in. 139 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: In the mornings. Wow. 140 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: And this about brings us to her seminal work, the 141 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: one she's most known for. But first it brings us 142 00:08:51,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: to a quick break forward from our sponsor and we're back, 143 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you okay, so yes, the 144 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: book that she is most known for, as we said 145 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: at the top, Missus Beaton's Book of Household Management came 146 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: out in eighteen sixty one, when she was twenty five 147 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: years old. 148 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:18,359 Speaker 3: Huh. 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 2: It was collected from two years worth of monthly periodicals 150 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: published as a supplement to English Women's Domestic, beginning in 151 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: eighteen fifty nine, including recipes solicited from readers. Isabella took 152 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: these pieces from the English Woman's Domestic magazine and put 153 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: them together with chapters from a doctor and a lawyer 154 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: to make in one thousand, one hundred and twelve page book. 155 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 3: Instant Gossic. 156 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: Sixty thousand copies sold in the first year. By eighteen 157 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: sixty eight, two million copies had been sold. Critics praised 158 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: it to After this book came out, she became known 159 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: as Missus Beeton, and it was meant to be a guide. 160 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: The book was in the rapidly growing and aspiring middle 161 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: class of the Victorian era. According to John Wagner, editor 162 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: of the book The Voices of Victorian England quote, by 163 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: the eighteen fifties, middle class wise were expected to frugally 164 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: and efficiently run their husband's households, and thus had to 165 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: be skilled in such task as hiring, firing and supervising servants, 166 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: planning on cooking meals, dealing with tradesmen, and teaching, nursing 167 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: and disciplining children. Because many girls were no longer automatically 168 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: learning these skills from their mothers, there existed a need 169 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: for a practical handbook on household management, which the Beatens 170 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: recognized and sought to meet. 171 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: It's likely that she and Sam decided to create household 172 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: management to capitalize on this growing market more than out 173 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: of like particular personal expertise. Social and economic changes at 174 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: the time had given rise to this expanding and upwardly 175 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,599 Speaker 1: mobile middle class, and within that middle class, there was 176 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: an expertation that young women basically be fun at parties, 177 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, like no an instrument, no a second language, 178 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,479 Speaker 1: like be well right enough to carry on a conversation 179 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: about contemporary arts and culture. And so instead of like 180 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: just learning how to run a household as like their 181 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: grandmothers might have, they were busy learning all this other stuff. 182 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: People were also increasingly moving to towns and cities rather 183 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: than staying out in the country, and women were more 184 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: likely therefore to move away from home when they got married. 185 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: Their lives and their households in town were probably very 186 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: different than their mother's lives and households had been. So again, 187 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: like women didn't have the social support the previous generations 188 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: had had, and people in general were becoming less connected 189 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: to the sources of their food. 190 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, lots of things going on. 191 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: I have this very vague memory as a kid. 192 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: Of watching this like twenty minute cartoon and it was 193 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: supposed to teach you. 194 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: How to be a lady, but in this kind of sense, 195 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: like oh, book on your head and drink tea and 196 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 2: things like that, and this whole I haven't been able 197 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: to remember what it was, but I keep I can 198 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: visualize it. 199 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: I remember thinking there's no way I would ever, ever, ever, 200 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: ever be able to do that. 201 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I was kind of fascinated by it 202 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: as a as a child. Yeah, look at these women 203 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: passing books on the heads and drinking tea. 204 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: Huh. 205 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: Anyway, from the book consuming culture in the long nineteenth century, 206 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: any woman who felt her position to be unimportant and 207 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: useless could be persuaded by the strength of Missus Beeton's rhetoric. 208 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: The mistress is the first and last the alpha and 209 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: omega in the government of her establishment, and it is 210 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: by her conduct that its whole internal policy is regulated. 211 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: Those are quotes directly from household Management. 212 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. In her opening sentence, missus Beeton compares the mistress 213 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: of the house to a quote commander of an army 214 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: who attains the highest rain of the female character when 215 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: she enters into knowledge of household duties. Oh there's a 216 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: lot there. 217 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: Yes, commander of an army, huh, and that army that 218 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: you are commanding. As that commander, you are the highest 219 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: possible rank of all of all ladies. 220 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: Yep. Not that. 221 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: If that's what you're into doing, that's I mean, do it. 222 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: But goodness, my gracious that I'm glad for feminism. Not 223 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: all of her readers would have been able to afford 224 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: a whole team of servants, but the book also contained 225 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: instructions for housemaids that helpfully could be carried out by 226 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: the reader as well, all while a hiding the fact 227 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: of such a lack of help from nosy neighbors and 228 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: be getting a peak at the kind of near mythological 229 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: upper classes leisurely life. 230 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: Another quote, This one's some advice from the book. Early 231 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: rising is one of the most essential qualities which enter 232 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: into good household management, as is not only the parent 233 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: of health, but of innumerable other advantages. Indeed, when a 234 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 2: mistress is an early riser, it is almost certain that 235 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: her house will be orderly and well managed. On the contrary, 236 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: if she remain in bed till a late hour, then 237 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 2: the domestics, who, as we have before observed invariably partake 238 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: somewhat of their mistress's character, will surely become sluggards. 239 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: Oh, I would have been so screwed. 240 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: Oh heck. Well, the book did place like a well 241 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: running household, sort of like a vanguard against the potential 242 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: moral decay of the changing times. 243 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: Very powerful stuff. 244 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And just to go a little bit further into 245 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: what was in this book, it had recipes, It had 246 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 2: advice on household management, hilcare, entertainment, etiquette, all that stuff 247 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: that we said at the top. 248 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: One of my favorite things is it. 249 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: Adds stuff about the validity or not of the io you. 250 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, whole bit in the legal section about that. 251 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: I as a child, this is terrible and I don't 252 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: agree with it anymore. 253 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: But I used to give IOUs to my brothers for 254 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: their birthday, but they never gave me anything. 255 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: So sure at least you'd thought about it. 256 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if they'd like followed up, I think they 257 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: just didn't want to hang out with me because I'd 258 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 2: be like, I owe you video game playing session and 259 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: I really just want to play video games, and. 260 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: They were like, no, Well, I still remember that. 261 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: Brothers who don't listen to this show and one of 262 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: the reasons this book was such a huge deal has 263 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: to do with how it was laid out. The format 264 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: of the recipes, with ingredients, measurements and instructions, cooking times 265 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: and techniques, prices, and a thorough index that is commonplace 266 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: to us was revolutionary back then. Oh yeah, it was 267 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: one of the first of its kind, and it changed 268 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: cookbooks forever. To this day, cookbooks are laid out that way. 269 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: At the time, people called the book Missus Beaton's cookbook. 270 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: Most of the recipes were also illustrated, with colored engravings 271 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: on almost every page, which helped out to you know, 272 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: see what it was supposed to look like at the end. 273 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, always very helpful. 274 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 2: She had never had to do the cooking herself, so 275 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: in preparation for this book, she tested out a recipe 276 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: a day, and one of the recipe names that caught 277 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: my eye gave me a chuckle. 278 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: Boiled seagale, boiled sea kale. Okay, I don't know what 279 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: that means. I'm intrigue. Yeah. 280 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: She mainly collected the recipes from classic cookery books dating 281 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: back to the sixteen hundreds, along with from a few 282 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: contemporary authors, and yes, you can call this plagiarism. That's 283 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: essentially what it is. But yeah, let's talk more about 284 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,479 Speaker 1: some of those recipes. Uh, half pay pudding, what hashed partridges, 285 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: bread soup, collared pig's face. 286 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: Ooh oh. 287 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: I'm interested in that one because I have two ideas 288 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: of what it could be and I want to know 289 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: if it's one of those or neither. 290 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: I perhaps upsettingly, did not actually read the recipe. 291 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: I just like saw the name. I saw the name 292 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 3: and was like, there you go. 293 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: It's a pretty intriguing name. It is it is, We'll 294 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: have to investigate further. One recipe that was pointed out 295 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: as being particularly interesting by a history teacher, one Amanda Herbert, 296 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: is for mango chutney. And remember this is eighteen sixty one, okay, 297 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: and it calls for in precise weight measurements, which was 298 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: again new and in recipes at the time, sugar, salt, garlic, onions, 299 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: powdered ginger, dried chilies, mustard seed, pitted raisins, vinegar, and 300 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: sour apples. Notice that it doesn't call for any mangoes 301 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: because you wouldn't have been able to get mangoes in 302 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: England at the rome. Right, Notice all of that spice 303 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: that goes into it, that you know, which kind of 304 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: defies a lot of modern stereotypes about English food and 305 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: especially like older stodgy English food or what we consider 306 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: that to be. Notice this is a Bengalese recipe shared 307 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: during a time of enormous strife between the British and 308 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: the peoples of the Indian subcontinent. The recipe text mentions 309 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: that quote, this chutney is very superior to any which 310 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: can be bought, and one trial will prove it to 311 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: be delicious. Like Notice how this indicates that store bought 312 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: chutneys were readily available, and that Beaten was also promoting 313 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: like a homemade versus storbought mentality, which speaks to contemporary 314 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: ideas about the industrialization of food, like a little bit 315 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: of like romanticism about like bring it back. 316 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: Into the home, make it yourself. Yeah, yeah, getting back 317 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: to the roots of it. Yeah, that is really really interesting. 318 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: Beaten also encouraged using seasonal ingredients over more expensive or 319 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: martially preserved products, and of kind treatment to farm animals. 320 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: I had to include this quote about chickens. Oh it's 321 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: so good, Okay, of chickens. She wrote that you can 322 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: clip a chicken's wings, but you will not erase from 323 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: his memory that he is a fowl and that his 324 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: proper sphere is the open air. If he likewise reflects 325 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: that he is an ill used fowl, a prison bird, 326 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: he will then come to the conclusion that there is 327 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: not the least use under such circumstances for his existence. 328 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: And you must admit that the decision is only logical 329 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: and natural. 330 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 3: That's deep stuff. Whoa let chickens run free range? Man? Indeed, 331 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: missus Beeton says. 332 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise they'll get depressed. 333 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure, as would we all. 334 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: The book also encouraged smart incorporation of leftovers into future meals, 335 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: providing weekly meal plans to make full use of it 336 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: budget and she also tended to include like a price 337 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: per serving with each recipe and labeled right at the top, 338 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: whether they tended to be rich or like economical. 339 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I always appreciate that stuff when it's included 340 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: in recipes. 341 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: Oh totally yeah. 342 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: I hte it when I'm like seventeen items in and 343 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: it's like now, add seventeen pounds of saffron and I'm. 344 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: Like wow, oh yeah, or the moment when you put 345 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: something in the oven and you realize you forgot. 346 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: Oh geez, I'm the best at that, me too. Unfortunately, 347 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: it's a good thing. 348 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 2: We are on a show about food, the science and culture, 349 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: not a cooking show. 350 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: Not a cooking show. No, we never claimed to be 351 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 3: good cooks. 352 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: Isabella Beaton's husband launched a lady's paper called The Queen. 353 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: It was published weekly and it contained information about London's 354 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: high society and social events. It also came with advice 355 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: for the intended female audience. After Isabella took a trip 356 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: to Paris, she was able to include articles about the 357 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: French fashion scene as well. 358 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: And this just about brings us to sadly the end 359 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: of Isabella's life, But the book and her character would 360 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: live on, and we'll get into that as soon as 361 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: we get back from one more quick break for a 362 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 363 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: thank you. 364 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 2: Beton died after a complication from the birth of her 365 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: fourth child on February sixth, eighteen sixty five. 366 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: She was twenty eight years old. Oh so young. 367 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: According to one biography, The Short Life and Long Times 368 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: of Missus Beeton, by one Catherine Hughes, it was an infection, 369 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: probably caused by the attending doctor at the birth failing 370 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: to wash his hands properly. 371 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: Women's health care. 372 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: Let's all get more of that. It's pretty great, yea. 373 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: Her husband attempted to keep the news of her death 374 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: under wraps so he could keep publishing stuff under her name, 375 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: but his attempt did not work, and the news leaked 376 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: out within a few weeks. Of her children, the first 377 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: who died before reaching three years of age. 378 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: There's a long standing family rumor, confirmed by some of 379 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: Isabella's biographers, that Sam had contracted syphilis before their marriage 380 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: and passed it to Isabella, which could explain those early 381 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: child deaths, and also gossip that Isabella had gone through 382 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: a number of miscarriages. Sam, by the way, went into 383 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: a steep decline after the eighteen sixties, facing financial difficulties 384 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: and physical and mental illness, further bolstering the whole syphilist theory. 385 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: The Englishwoman's Domestic magazine got a little bit ribald, did it? 386 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: Really? 387 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 388 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: I will take your word for it. It's stuff that 389 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: I honestly can't repeat on air. Woo. 390 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: So my goodness, Oh Victorians, Oh Victorians. Their other two sons, 391 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: Orchard Beaton and Mason Moss went on to make their 392 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: own successes. Orchard joined the army and Mason went into 393 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: publishing and then journalism, and then founded and became president 394 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: of a paper mill called Anglo Newfoundland Development Company. During 395 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: the height of war, this company kept the supply of 396 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: paper for the daily mail stock. 397 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: All Good Job and the Book of Household Management. Missus 398 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: Beeton's Book of Household Management was updated over the years, 399 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: first by Sam and later other editors to include advice 400 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: on a new household technologies gas ovens, refrigerators, what, and 401 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: to update the recipes to fit changing tastes and fashions. 402 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: By eighteen ninety one there was a chapter on the 403 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: science of cookery, including a breakdown of the macronutrients that 404 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: people need and how much of them common foods contained. 405 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: By the Edwardian era, the recipes became heavier and blander, 406 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: and with the changing times, the text even acknowledged that 407 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: a middle class woman might need to run her household 408 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: with a minimum of servants, just a minimum, a minimum 409 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: mm hmm. 410 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: To this day, Missus Beeton's cookbook remains a best seller. 411 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: I read at some point it was second only to 412 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: the Bible the original version is available online as part 413 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: of the public domain. And I also read in more 414 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 2: than one place that the importance of this book cannot 415 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: be overstated when it comes to authors writing something set 416 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: in the Victorian era. Oh, I absolutely believe it. 417 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you're writing in that area, y'all. If 418 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: you have not already, please get read it. Great resource 419 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: for you. 420 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 2: While Missus Beeton's cookbook was revolutionary, it was not the 421 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: first cook book by far, not really even the first 422 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 2: of its type. Eliza Acton's Cookery for Private Families came 423 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: out in eighteen forty five, and French ships Alexis Soy's 424 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: The Modern Housewife came out in eighteen fifty one. Beaten 425 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: borrowed plagiarized heavily from these without citation, along with works 426 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: from other folks like Charles Franktelly and Elizabeth Raffled. But 427 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: Sam and other editors later kept this image of Missus 428 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: Beeton alive, and although the news of her death had leaked, like, 429 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: publishers of future editions just generally didn't like mention it 430 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: and would write prefaces for the books from her point 431 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 2: of view. From this, increasingly, like non Isabella related like 432 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: like kind of like like stallwart, like like matronly. This 433 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: is Beaten point. 434 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: Of view, right. Yeah. 435 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: After nineteen ninety five, the folks who had acquired the 436 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: rights to the Beaten name started licensing it to food manufacturers, 437 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: and they're also still publishing under her name all kinds 438 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: of spin off books. Microwaving with Missus Beeton. Missus Beeton's 439 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: healthy eating is. 440 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: The healthy eating how she's managed to survive and keep 441 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: putting out these books for so long. 442 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: Oh, you gotta eat your veggies if you want to 443 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: concentrate on editing. 444 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: I do love microwaving Missus. 445 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: It's very sweet, it really is. 446 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: In the year two thousand, Oxford World's Classics released an 447 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: edition of Household Management. And this is an Oxford imprint 448 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: that publishes like comprehensive and definitive editions of globally important literature. 449 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: So I really love that it made the list. The 450 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: editor of that edition, one at Nikola Humble, pointed out 451 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: that the book quote tells of a culture caught between 452 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: the old world and the new, poised between modernity and nostalgia, 453 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: of kitchens where meat is still roasted over spits over 454 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: open fires, but which contain many of the commercial bottled 455 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: sauces and condiments we take for granted today. It's medical 456 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: chapters offer instructions for the application no Leeches, alongside advice 457 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: about vaccination. 458 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 3: That's so great, So Wild. 459 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: In twenty ten, BBC two aired an hour long special 460 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: on the life and Times of Missus Beeton, written and 461 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: hosted by Sophie Dahl. 462 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: You can look that up if you'd like to. 463 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: And uh, that's about what we've got about Isabella Beeton, 464 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: our profile. 465 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: Of deliciousness case closed. It fascinating stuff. 466 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And if you if you want to read 467 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: more that biography I mentioned a minute ago, the name 468 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: the the Short Life and Long Times of Isabella Beaton. Yeah, 469 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: it seems like a I haven't. I've only read passages 470 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: from it, but it seems really cool. So if you're 471 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: if you're into it, check it out. You know, you 472 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: can go right now and grab a copy of the 473 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: original book on Project Gutenberger, you know, anything like that. 474 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: It's out there for you. It's out there for you 475 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: to find. 476 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode. 477 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: If you have any personal memories about any of Missus 478 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: Beeton's books, we would love to hear them. Or any 479 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: other cookbooks that played a role in making you the 480 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: kitchen human who you are today. You can get in 481 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: touch with us via email at Hello, atsavorpod dot. 482 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: Com, or on social media. 483 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: We are on blue Sky and Instagram at savor pod, 484 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: and we do hope to hear from you. Save is 485 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 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