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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody?
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 6: We are here at Resort World in Las Vegas for
Speaker 6: the NBA Summer League. I'm honored Taba another champion here
Speaker 6: on the Draymondgreen Show. Two time world champion, my brother KCP.
Speaker 6: What's upingg what's Welcome to the show man. I appreciate
Speaker 6: you coming on. I always talk about like the resume
Speaker 6: you gotta have to be a guest on the show. Like,
Speaker 6: we don't just want anybody, like we want all stars,
Speaker 6: we want champions, we want Hall of Famers, because.
Speaker 5: That's what the people want. Yeah, so I appreciate you
Speaker 5: coming on.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me and my brother man. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it absolutely. But I mean, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Take me back growing up in Georgia Country. What was
Speaker 1: it like for you growing up and to make it
Speaker 1: out of there?
Speaker 4: Like, was it a you that got you out? Was it? Like?
Speaker 4: What was it that got you out?
Speaker 1: I would say AAU basketball for sure, that was the
Speaker 1: most exposure I had as far as on the basketball circuit.
Speaker 1: I probably maybe had one color coach to ever come
Speaker 1: see me at my high school, you know, to see
Speaker 1: me play. But yeah, A you open the doors up
Speaker 1: for me for sure.
Speaker 4: Who is that coach?
Speaker 1: I forget his name, old coach from Alabama, but like
Speaker 1: we were the first coach I ever come see me play.
Speaker 1: But after that, that's when I ended up seeing uh,
Speaker 1: three coaches from Georgia. And that's when I like I
Speaker 1: committed to Georgia like verbally, uh, because I wanted to
Speaker 1: stay home, close to home and to have my family
Speaker 1: be able to travel come see me not too far.
Speaker 1: So like Georgia was always you know, what's gonna be
Speaker 1: home based for me, you know, even though I had
Speaker 1: all the offers in the SEC, but I wanted to
Speaker 1: stay close to the crib.
Speaker 4: I love that same for me.
Speaker 6: You know, we're going to Michigan State, Like I wanted
Speaker 6: to be close to the crib and so that that
Speaker 6: was a big thing for me. So you get one
Speaker 6: high school coach to come to your one college coach
Speaker 6: to ever come there high school, but you becoming McDonald's
Speaker 6: all American. Explain that to me because I had way
Speaker 6: more high school coaches college coach and I wasn't no.
Speaker 1: McDonald's high school probably be triple the size of minds.
Speaker 4: Like, but like I said, you open them doors up
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 1: You know, Uh we're being on that basketball circuit, you know,
Speaker 1: doing what I do best, shooting the ball, you know,
Speaker 1: playing playing basketball, having fun. Uh that's when I started
Speaker 1: getting like a lot of eyes on me, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: being able to like sending out my highlights you know
Speaker 1: in high school for like you know, coaches like college
Speaker 1: coaches to see. I feel I had most of the
Speaker 1: college coaches come see me play when I was playing
Speaker 1: AAU basketball. Uh So, like I said, that opened up
Speaker 1: the doors for me.
Speaker 4: So I have a question, a very interesting one for me.
Speaker 4: We're like the same height. I'm a center, you too.
Speaker 6: For me, growing up in a small city, being the
Speaker 6: tallest guy, they just put you at center. Now it's
Speaker 6: a little different for me, which is why I got
Speaker 6: my guard skill from because I played center defensively, but
Speaker 6: offensively I played point guard.
Speaker 5: But my uncle was the coach, so he taught me
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 6: He taught me, so I had all the guard skills,
Speaker 6: which is why I'm able to play the position the.
Speaker 4: Way I do now.
Speaker 6: But there's always this thing of when you're when you're
Speaker 6: the tallest kid in the small city, everybody want to
Speaker 6: make you a center.
Speaker 5: That clearly wasn't the case for you. Why was that.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of guys that was tall to
Speaker 1: me in high school so that I didn't have to
Speaker 1: play that position, even though I did play all pop
Speaker 1: position in high school.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I had.
Speaker 1: Some guys that were, you know, six eight, six nine
Speaker 1: playing in the high school with me at that small
Speaker 1: ass school, the small school. Yeah, so like I got
Speaker 1: chance to be able to just play my position, and
Speaker 1: like it elevated my games just you know, just learning
Speaker 1: every position, I would say.
Speaker 4: And also just every day.
Speaker 1: After school, you know, going to my hometown basketball court,
Speaker 1: you know, playing with the older kids, no guy to
Speaker 1: pushed me around. You know, stuff like that made me
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher, tougher and it just no basketball
Speaker 1: just stuck with me, man. I just it was something
Speaker 1: about the game that I love and.
Speaker 6: It just shows absolutely. And eighth pick to the Detroit Pistons. Uh,
Speaker 6: drafted by Joe Dumars, which is like a father figure
Speaker 6: to me.
Speaker 4: Still talk to Joe. We go way back there. I
Speaker 4: remember like as soon as you got drafted.
Speaker 6: Uh, but just just walk me through that experience going
Speaker 6: to the Pistons, which wasn't the organization then yeah that
Speaker 6: it is now yea true. Uh, talk me through that experience.
Speaker 6: And like going to Detroit, coming from the South, going
Speaker 6: to the cold.
Speaker 1: Snow that I feel like that was the biggest judgment
Speaker 1: for me. The snow, Like my my first year there
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Man, it snowed all the way into May.
Speaker 1: So like that was like my the hardest adjustment, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to learn how to drive in that you know,
Speaker 1: get the work, be safe. But I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: it was tough for me the first two years. No,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get my family out there, Like my family
Speaker 1: wouldn't travel out there. Like having good vets around me
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, got me through my first
Speaker 1: two years, you know, to understand the game.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: But my experience there man was great. Uh all right,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to like show like more than
Speaker 1: I can do. Uh, because I feel like they drafted
Speaker 1: me because of my defense potential. I would say, I
Speaker 1: don't think they knew what I could do offensively then,
Speaker 1: so I had an opportunity to like to showcase that
Speaker 1: and and that what took my career off.
Speaker 6: He says, you had good vets. I always talk about
Speaker 6: the importance of vets in the locker room. I am
Speaker 6: a product of great vests. I had Jared Jack, Jermaine O'Neil,
Speaker 6: David Lee Carlin, Andrew David West, like I had Andrew Bogan.
Speaker 6: I had great vets, and like, now, that's one of
Speaker 6: the things that I think is missing from the league.
Speaker 6: You look at some of these teams and like some
Speaker 6: of these teams vets are like you're four five.
Speaker 5: It's like, yo, you're not a vet.
Speaker 4: You need like scratch the surface of what a vet
Speaker 4: is for sure. It's crazy.
Speaker 6: Like in year five of my career, I had won
Speaker 6: two championships in your seven in my career, by year seven,
Speaker 6: I had won three championships and played in four NBA finals.
Speaker 4: Nobody in the.
Speaker 6: Golden State Warriors organization was looking at me like I'm
Speaker 6: a vet, right, And yeah, you got guys now who
Speaker 6: ain't got no rings, nothing, no All Star appearances, no nothing.
Speaker 6: But they kind of walk around this league like their vets.
Speaker 4: That's like it's just the era. Now. I came in
Speaker 4: and live in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: My vet was I had Chauncey Phillips, I played with Chance,
Speaker 1: played with Tayson Prince. I had an opportunity to be
Speaker 1: coach BARACEI while so I also had a chance to
Speaker 1: be around that bad boy area, you know, even though
Speaker 1: they was on their way out, you know, but still
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to them being my vets. And then
Speaker 1: like I had Josh Smith as a VET, you know,
Speaker 1: saying been through the league, the ups and downs, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I had like a bunch of guys Charlie Charlie
Speaker 1: Ville in the way, I had some good vet that
Speaker 1: taught me how to be a professional, how to stay
Speaker 1: in this league, you know what, and just to be
Speaker 1: mentally strong.
Speaker 4: So did Ben come back? Were you still there when
Speaker 4: Being came out? No, I wasn't there when Being came back.
Speaker 1: When Being came back, it was his he he was retiring,
Speaker 1: They was retiring his jersey. So I got the opportunity
Speaker 1: to see that as well. So like and retiring Chauncey
Speaker 1: jersey there. So I got the opportunity to see a
Speaker 1: lot of things, and like being around a lot of
Speaker 1: great people, you know, Like you said, Joe dumars Man,
Speaker 1: he the one that drafted me, you know, put me
Speaker 1: in a position to be able to meet these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, and be a part of that family.
Speaker 6: There was a story, famous story. You've been with Clutch
Speaker 6: Sports your entire career. Yes, there's a famous story about
Speaker 6: the contract that you turned down in Detroit number one.
Speaker 6: I don't know whether you turned the contract down or not.
Speaker 6: I would love to hear that from you. But what
Speaker 6: I do know is if you did turn the contract down,
Speaker 6: you've made all the money.
Speaker 7: Plus more, plus more. But talk to me about that,
Speaker 7: you know, me and Riz talk about it a lot.
Speaker 7: And now like that we here in my career, now
Speaker 7: we can laugh about it a little bit. But I
Speaker 7: didn't turn down that much money. You know, that money
Speaker 7: wasn't offered to me. But like what they were saying.
Speaker 7: But like even if I did turn it down, like
Speaker 7: you said, you know, I rich believed in me. I
Speaker 7: believed in myself, you know, and what I can do,
Speaker 7: and I felt like at the time, I deserve more
Speaker 7: than what they would offered me. So like me and
Speaker 7: my team, we made a decision where all right, if
Speaker 7: I put it into work.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get he gonna handle the rest. So that's
Speaker 1: all that was said. Like I put it into work,
Speaker 1: you know, and made all that money back and plus more.
Speaker 1: So like my work paid off, you know, as far
Speaker 1: as like me, everybody might say I turned it down, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: I turned it down, got it back, you know, So
Speaker 1: it didn't take long. But like we slow grounded one year,
Speaker 1: two years, one year, you know, but we never getting
Speaker 1: it all back.
Speaker 6: I think one of the most interesting things the part
Speaker 6: that people don't talk about. People always want to talk
Speaker 6: about your failures. They always want to talk about where
Speaker 6: someone falls short. They always want to talk about this
Speaker 6: guy didn't get that money, he turned this down, he
Speaker 6: turned that down. But the side they don't talk about
Speaker 6: is if you stay there, are you a two time
Speaker 6: champion because you still got the money plus more.
Speaker 4: Double at this point.
Speaker 6: But if you never go to the Lakers, if that
Speaker 6: never happens, you don't end up at the Lakers.
Speaker 4: Do you end up a champion?
Speaker 6: So when you look back at that, now, was the
Speaker 6: stress of waiting ultimately worth what came in in?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because I've had some going through that process after Detroit,
Speaker 1: I have some stressful moments, you know where it it
Speaker 1: took me here and then it brought me down, you know,
Speaker 1: so alright, believing in myself, believing in God, you know,
Speaker 1: having my my wife, my support, you know, everybody around me,
Speaker 1: you know, like encourage me, you know, like you got this,
Speaker 1: your game shows you know everything. You know, just go
Speaker 1: out there and play your game and worry about anything else.
Speaker 1: And like I sake my mind to that, you know,
Speaker 1: like do your job, your don't let thembut do you uh,
Speaker 1: and just play hard no matter what.
Speaker 4: Was there ever a point in that where you started
Speaker 4: to doubt yourself or where you started to doubt Rich. Uh.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I never had a doubt, but like
Speaker 1: I say it, I was. I was impatient. I would
Speaker 1: say I wanted to come like as soon as possible.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's all I he would tell you that, like that's
Speaker 1: always he always you tell me, just be patient, it's
Speaker 1: gonna come, and be patient.
Speaker 4: This is this is just the job the business, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: So like that was just me being impatient, you know,
Speaker 1: and just belt myself, you know, and like have a
Speaker 1: little bit doubt then, but just let's just do that
Speaker 1: being impatient, you know, wanting it now, you know, instead
Speaker 1: of waiting on it.
Speaker 4: Uh. But as I got older and I started.
Speaker 1: To learn that, you know, patience, know it's it helps
Speaker 1: me stay calm, stay peaceful, you know.
Speaker 4: And I know I got Rich, you know, I know
Speaker 4: he got my back. You know, I've been knowing him
Speaker 4: for since I've been in this league.
Speaker 6: So yeah, not rich Rich the best man, like from
Speaker 6: a contract negotiation standpoint, obviously, but they goes so much
Speaker 6: further than that.
Speaker 5: I don't think people understand that.
Speaker 1: That's all just about to say I was like when
Speaker 1: we talk about we rarely talk about basketball, so it's.
Speaker 4: Like, like, why ain't you calling you?
Speaker 1: Like, but like that's him though, like he he knows
Speaker 1: like what he can do, Like so it's not just
Speaker 1: like I said, it's just not about basketball, you know.
Speaker 4: And he made sure that, like all right, don't worry
Speaker 4: about this. Then I got that, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, We can talk about anything else,
Speaker 1: you know, like he don't help me with a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, no, I think I always tell people like man,
Speaker 6: I think what I appreciate more most about Rich is.
Speaker 4: He teach you a how you supposed to live your life?
Speaker 4: Like true, so many guys get taken advantage of.
Speaker 5: So many guys don't see stuff coming. And I think.
Speaker 6: He he a teaches us how to how you how
Speaker 6: you're supposed to live. Be one of the most impressive
Speaker 6: things I think Rich has ever done with me. And
Speaker 6: like yourself, that's my brother, Like is it my wedding,
Speaker 6: Like goes so much further than being an agent.
Speaker 5: But I think when I you know, I also know
Speaker 5: how to separate.
Speaker 4: Too, you know, I know ninety nine point nine.
Speaker 6: Percent of our costs I'm talking to my brother zero
Speaker 6: point one percent. I'm talking to my agent, and I
Speaker 6: know how to separate the two. But I think one
Speaker 6: of the things that stood out to me most, and
Speaker 6: I still say it to this day, like when I
Speaker 6: bought my first home and I was searching for homes
Speaker 6: in La, this dude walk ten houses with me, and
Speaker 6: I remember when I first found a home. I found
Speaker 6: a house in bel Air that I thought was the
Speaker 6: house I was going to buy. And man, me and
Speaker 6: Hazel was excited as shit, like his house, this is nice,
Speaker 6: like rich rich was out of time when we first saw.
Speaker 6: He like, I'm back tomorrow. I land at this time,
Speaker 6: scheduling for this time. We'll go see it right away.
Speaker 6: As soon as I land, I'll go straight from the
Speaker 6: airport to the house.
Speaker 4: Perfect. He land, We get to the house, walk in.
Speaker 4: I'm excited, Like I got the crib he walked in.
Speaker 4: He like, nope, nope, nope, this thing, nope, that thing.
Speaker 4: Way too much of this here, Nope, look at this
Speaker 4: marble right here. We go in the backyard.
Speaker 6: It's like beautiful backyard, so it appears, but like if
Speaker 6: you actually go through it, some of the stone is mismatches,
Speaker 6: like they went to this stone yard and got with
Speaker 6: the stone that was left there cheapest, went over to
Speaker 6: this stone yard, got the stone that was left there
Speaker 6: at the cheapest, put it all together and when he
Speaker 6: showed me, he's We walked through this house and he
Speaker 6: started pointing out all these things. We didn't even make
Speaker 6: it through the whole house. We got up to the
Speaker 6: master bathroom. He stopped in the master bathroom, he sat down.
Speaker 6: He said, listen, I'm not letting you out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because y'all will be looking for the next sucker
Speaker 4: to come by this house from y'all, because he.
Speaker 6: About to suck y'all for this money right now. Y'all
Speaker 6: gonna be looking for the next sucker to get out
Speaker 6: to come by this house, y'all. And for me, that
Speaker 6: was that was And by the way, this is well
Speaker 6: into him being my agent. Listen to him being my agent.
Speaker 6: But that to me was like a level of detail,
Speaker 6: a level of care.
Speaker 4: They're like, you don't get that from agents, Like get that.
Speaker 4: These agents not coming to walk a house. They don't
Speaker 4: care what house you buy.
Speaker 1: Really don't even just get what that's what they're saying,
Speaker 1: Like that's what I said. I respect rich so much,
Speaker 1: man like because like he helped me out with so much.
Speaker 1: Like I said, like a few things with like like
Speaker 1: being married young, you know what I'm saying. Even you
Speaker 1: know he's been through it, but like just helping me
Speaker 1: navigate that, you know, because like it's so much. He
Speaker 1: gave me that that safe space, you know, saying to
Speaker 1: be able to talk to him about that, you know,
Speaker 1: and like I said, like we talked about whatever it is,
Speaker 1: Like I said, time, it's not basketball we're talking about
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just about life. That's why I
Speaker 1: respect about him a lot. Man. It's just humble kid,
Speaker 1: like even just man. Like reading this book, like man,
Speaker 1: I felt like I was here.
Speaker 4: It was crazy. I was like, I feel you.
Speaker 1: And when I read it, I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: did not know half of that about you. You know,
Speaker 1: like he don't showcase it, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But I didn't know half of that about you.
Speaker 5: I learned so much from reading that book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why me too, Like me too.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, Nah, story stories insane. So then you go
Speaker 6: from Detroit kid from Georgia Country moved to Detroit. That
Speaker 6: adjustment and then la, what was the adjustment? Like now
Speaker 6: going from Detroit to Los Angeles for the Lakers. By
Speaker 6: the way, nobody's showing up to these games in Detroit.
Speaker 1: I know, I wouldn't say that. Like when I was
Speaker 1: in Detroit now playing in the Palace, No, we had
Speaker 1: a nice little crowd sometimes sometimes I was like the
Speaker 1: Palace is like historical, you know what I'm saying, A
Speaker 1: board day's area, so like we have some fans and
Speaker 1: then it was a few fans.
Speaker 4: There's a lot different from that, Like because.
Speaker 1: I said it out, I want, you know, the championship.
Speaker 1: But like it's it's a love hate relationship with the
Speaker 1: Lakers fans, you know, like like they love you regardless,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but like you're doing bad
Speaker 1: or like you ain't playing up to your picture potential
Speaker 1: that they think you can play at, like they on you,
Speaker 1: like they gonna let you know, like and then you're
Speaker 1: playing at your greatest like they with you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, say they with you regardless, but like they're
Speaker 1: gonna let you know what you're doing good when you're
Speaker 1: doing bad. And that's why I respect so much about
Speaker 1: their fans.
Speaker 4: You know, they hardcore, you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 4: on you what and how are they on you? Like?
Speaker 6: Is that coming through social media? Is that like you
Speaker 6: walking down the streets of La they coming up. I
Speaker 6: would say a little bit of both. I wouldn't say
Speaker 6: they like they're not so negative like when they see
Speaker 6: you in person. You know what I'm saying, like more
Speaker 6: you know, supportive. You know what I'm saying stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying in the heat at the
Speaker 1: moment in the arena, I can see a little bit
Speaker 1: different than they're like what they're telling you, like you
Speaker 1: pick it up.
Speaker 4: You know, I've had you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: A little bit of both, you know through social media, uh,
Speaker 1: like in the arenas, you know, like to a point
Speaker 1: where they was they was like coming on wife with
Speaker 1: my wife pictures or like the pictures she posted saying
Speaker 1: shit about me.
Speaker 4: So it was a lot of.
Speaker 1: Stuff that was going on at one point when I
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 5: You get to the Lakers. Lakers not very good.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 6: What A year later, two years later, bron comes. A
Speaker 6: year later, a year later later, y'all.
Speaker 5: Get changes the outlook of the franchise.
Speaker 6: At that point, Lakers had been struggling for a while,
Speaker 6: kind of Tour on the end of Kobe's tenure into
Speaker 6: cod retiring a couple of years.
Speaker 5: You get there, then bron come, what was.
Speaker 6: That like, like that big of a force coming to
Speaker 6: the team, the media attention, which the media attention for
Speaker 6: the Lakers is already christ but then you get Broun there, Like,
Speaker 6: what was that transition then?
Speaker 5: Like from going from playing with like.
Speaker 4: All these young dudes and you kind of be in
Speaker 4: the VET and the sense of what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Being a young vet. They soke all you today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I think I was.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I think the older two guys when I got there
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen was Isaiah Thomas and Book Lopez and court Brew.
Speaker 1: I was only three older guys and I was. I
Speaker 1: was twenty four at the time when I got there.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was like nineteen. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Then bron come in. How did it?
Speaker 6: How did it change everything? Did it change from day one?
Speaker 6: In practice? Did it change just the games? It was
Speaker 6: also a growing process. I don't think y'all made the
Speaker 6: playoffs that first year.
Speaker 1: Definitely was a growing process because you know, everybody him,
Speaker 1: him adjusting, you know, to everybody, and then everybody trying
Speaker 1: to adjudge, you know, to like him being there as well.
Speaker 4: So uh like it was a big adjudgment.
Speaker 1: You know, everything did shift, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: as far as like you know, how we practice, how
Speaker 1: we watched them, you know, like doing like stuff as
Speaker 1: a team. You know, a lot of the stuff changed there.
Speaker 1: And I was unfortunately fortunately to have you know, run
Speaker 1: though too at the time. You know, Win Brown was there,
Speaker 1: so like like they them two can both navigate, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. What's on the court, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you know, and how we want, how
Speaker 1: we want to play, you know, I would say, but
Speaker 1: like it was, it was it was an adjustment, But
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a big adjustment.
Speaker 4: How was the conversation.
Speaker 6: I'm a basketball I love I love the excellent os,
Speaker 6: I love the game within the game, And so I'm
Speaker 6: asking this question personally for me because I.
Speaker 4: Was okay, what was the what was the dynamic the
Speaker 4: conversations like amongst Bron and Rondo, because for.
Speaker 6: Me, those are two of the greatest basketball mons ever
Speaker 6: play in the NBA.
Speaker 4: I would say.
Speaker 1: The conversation of dialogue like as far as like in
Speaker 1: film Man, they broke down everything like that's who, like
Speaker 1: run those the one that taught me how to watch film,
Speaker 1: you know, how to watch Like I didn't start watching
Speaker 1: a full game of film until like two years like
Speaker 1: two years ago. I guess who taught me how to
Speaker 1: watch a full game of film? Like, but you can
Speaker 1: just watch it, you know what I'm saying. But he
Speaker 1: taught me what am I looking for? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I'm watching this film.
Speaker 4: You know. And then just having them two together in
Speaker 4: film together, man, it made.
Speaker 1: I would say, it made everything so easy, you know
Speaker 1: on the court, you know what I'm saying, because now
Speaker 1: you know where to be. You know when this motion
Speaker 1: is happening. I know I got to shift this way.
Speaker 1: I gotta do that, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: they put it, they break it all the way down
Speaker 1: to a point where like if you're fucking up, you're
Speaker 1: not giving out effort.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like if they give me to you this way,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, that's knowledge, man, Just
Speaker 1: take that, you know what I'm saying that That was
Speaker 1: one of the things I took away from both of them.
Speaker 1: I just learn how to break down that film, you know,
Speaker 1: and actually know what I'm looking at when I'm breaking
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: So I was, and it has helped my career, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, being able to be a leader
Speaker 1: on other teams.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: So, was there ever a point or whatever times were
Speaker 6: those two bump heads on their because there's some high
Speaker 6: level thoughts both of them, dudes, happen whatever times that
Speaker 6: that they bump heads on their ideas? And if so,
Speaker 6: what's there ever time where RONI back down and say.
Speaker 1: Okay, we go on with run those saying, yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like they both had you know, there they disagreements
Speaker 1: and as far as like what we're doing, uh, but
Speaker 1: I feel like that that that would be you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, more when they discussing together, because I
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, you know what I'm saying happen
Speaker 1: you know, in person. So I feel like if they
Speaker 1: discussing amongst themselves, like they have a disagreement, I feel
Speaker 1: like them guys, you know, they they fix it before
Speaker 1: they even kind of like before we see them or
Speaker 1: like before we have like team film, you know or whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've never seen them like I disagree in person,
Speaker 1: but if they did, it's like I feel like they both,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, humble enough, like be able
Speaker 1: to listen to each other, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: as far as like because they both, like you said, man,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest on the game, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know them both hearing each other out, you know,
Speaker 1: up both of them absolutely.
Speaker 6: And speaking of your time with the Lakers, y'all didn't
Speaker 6: going to win a championship in the bubble. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of perspectives on the bubble, quite frankly by most
Speaker 6: people who weren't there, right, But there's a lot of
Speaker 6: perspectives on the bubble. What was your perspective on as
Speaker 6: someone who was there won a championship there, so essentially
Speaker 6: was there the longest time?
Speaker 5: What was your perspective on the bubble and being in it?
Speaker 1: It was hard, I'll say that for me, I'm restrained.
Speaker 1: It wasn't hard, you know what I'm saying. I enjoyed,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The time, you know, of
Speaker 1: just reflected on myself by myself. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: really see nobody can't really have the family there, but
Speaker 1: That's the biggest sec fight I had was just not
Speaker 1: helping my family there, you know, uh, trying to manage
Speaker 1: to deal with that, you.
Speaker 4: Know, the kids. I just had a my third child
Speaker 4: at the time, and he was just a baby, you know. Uh, So.
Speaker 1: That was the biggest sacrifice you know for me, just
Speaker 1: leaving the family for three months.
Speaker 4: Or at that time. Man, was it was a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I felt like it was. For me, it was great.
Speaker 4: You know, the stuff we did in the Bubble or
Speaker 4: like being locked in that room. I did that at home.
Speaker 1: If I'm in my game room, No, I'm done that
Speaker 1: six hours straight playing the game. So it's like it
Speaker 1: really did phaze me as much, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like me missing the family and the kids, you know,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But other than that, man, I had
Speaker 1: a great time.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 6: And for those that say the Bubble Championship has an
Speaker 6: asterisk next it, I'll say it before you go, I
Speaker 6: am not of that. Yeah, because it's hard as hell
Speaker 6: to win a championship.
Speaker 4: I don't care where the fuck you win to that.
Speaker 6: But for those that say there's an asterisk next to
Speaker 6: the championship, that y'all wanted the bubble.
Speaker 4: What do you say to them?
Speaker 1: They just hated Man, it's like they that's like, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's one of the hardest teams to like
Speaker 1: the championship to win. I would say, you know, playing
Speaker 1: the season and seasons shut down, like I don't know
Speaker 1: if we're gonna even come back to play basketball or
Speaker 1: like we were sold how off like the regular season,
Speaker 1: how we was playing, and then we're like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck season's over, like damn or what if like if
Speaker 1: they do, what if we don't can't come back because
Speaker 1: we already had in our mind like, man, this is
Speaker 1: our championship, regardless of COVID stopped it or not.
Speaker 4: You know, so.
Speaker 1: But then the season stops, you know, boom, seasons start backup,
Speaker 1: but we gotta go to the bubble. So like before
Speaker 1: they even man, you know, uh, like before it even
Speaker 1: happened to go into the bubble, like as a team,
Speaker 1: you know, we still like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I was able to like no, who I would say,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, We didn't really like we
Speaker 1: did it within the rims of like the testing of
Speaker 1: the NBA, you know, stuff like that, but like we
Speaker 1: were still able.
Speaker 4: To be around each other, be able to hoop you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, and have fun like regardless of like
Speaker 1: if the season is stopped. So once the we knew
Speaker 1: the season was like starting back up in the bubble,
Speaker 1: Like we was hyped. We was ready to go get
Speaker 1: our championship like that we was at like we wanted
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Then you know, season stopped getting into the bubble.
Speaker 1: You know, guys that a lot of people don't like
Speaker 1: these things, like have people's mind messed up?
Speaker 4: Like all right, now it's time. I'm ready to go home.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I forget basketball, So like
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful and I'm like, like I appreciate all.
Speaker 1: Like my teammates at the time, like, man, they they
Speaker 1: mindset was like on that championship, they weren't ready to go,
Speaker 1: like they came here for a reason, right and we
Speaker 1: wanted it.
Speaker 6: So you said it was harder. It was one of
Speaker 6: the hardest championships to win. As someone who's won multiple championships,
Speaker 6: what made it so much harder to win there?
Speaker 4: As opposed to if you're going to Miami for an
Speaker 4: away game, you know, or you're going to another place.
Speaker 1: I would just say the mindset we like we had,
Speaker 1: uh and how everything had like everything happened. I was saying,
Speaker 1: like COVID shutting down. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: we wanted that one so bad. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: we would We would have jumped through flaming hoops for it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: So, like like I said.
Speaker 1: That, for me, it was the hardest one because of
Speaker 1: like all the shutdown, like restarting shut down. No, that
Speaker 1: can change a lot of people mindset, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And like like you said, man, fuck this,
Speaker 1: like it's I'm not dealing with this anymore, you know.
Speaker 1: So I was appreciated that thankful to everybody on the
Speaker 1: team at the time.
Speaker 4: At the same mindset, they weren't ready to go.
Speaker 5: So there was word that came out of those meetings.
Speaker 6: And again for those of y'all watching, I was not
Speaker 6: there because we absolutely sucked that year. I think we
Speaker 6: won fifteen games and so we didn't actually make the bubble.
Speaker 4: Ye. I had a lot going on that year, man,
Speaker 4: a lot going on, to.
Speaker 6: Be quite honest. I was in La having a great time.
Speaker 6: So I'm actually a little happy we didn't make the bubble. Also,
Speaker 6: before we move forward, Adam Silver, the mayor of Los Angeles,
Speaker 6: who wasn't the mayor at the time, so talk to
Speaker 6: the previous mayor. Uh, this man just admitted that they
Speaker 6: ignore all y'all COVID godlines, all y'all testing. They kept
Speaker 6: playing basketball. They cheated on their way to a championship.
Speaker 6: You feel like this is the flate Gate esque or
Speaker 6: something of that nature, because these guys, when none of
Speaker 6: us could play basketball, they just kept playing basketball and
Speaker 6: getting better and then they go and win a championship.
Speaker 6: So that's why I'm putting the asterisk next to it,
Speaker 6: because they was cheated. We did it through the rules, man.
Speaker 4: Everybody got every player got tested. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If you had COVID, gotta go home. You can't be
Speaker 4: around it, man.
Speaker 6: Did I bet Bron probably had Michelle sitting there testing everybody.
Speaker 1: We didn't want to stop playing like man like. And
Speaker 1: it was like if it's just the Lakers team at
Speaker 1: the time, like no outsiders, no nobody, Like everybody's within
Speaker 1: the perimenal like the COVID testing that the NBA wanted, right,
Speaker 1: I felt like we were good.
Speaker 4: You know, they couldn't say nothing.
Speaker 5: Well, guess what, they definitely can't say nothing now.
Speaker 8: So it's a great time to talk about three years later,
Speaker 8: great time to talk about it. But there was reports
Speaker 8: that came out during that time where y'all was like
Speaker 8: having the meetings in the bubble and.
Speaker 4: The season stopped.
Speaker 6: There was reports that came out that most of that,
Speaker 6: like the season stopping and people not wanting to play,
Speaker 6: was from the Clippers team at that time. Is there
Speaker 6: any truth to that, like, because by the way, by
Speaker 6: the way that they went out, it kind of looked
Speaker 6: like it.
Speaker 4: Was shrew by the way.
Speaker 1: That was one of my favorite series of the Bubble,
Speaker 1: that that Nuggets Clippers series. All right, it was just like, man,
Speaker 1: how in the hell right you up three one? Even
Speaker 1: if you you you talked about leaving, like you up
Speaker 1: three to one? Finish the job, man, who's the next round? Fact,
Speaker 1: like you knew everybody wanted to see Lakers Clippers that year.
Speaker 1: You know, uh, just finish the job, like then we
Speaker 1: can we can sleep, y'all, Like then you can go home,
Speaker 1: you know, like I wanna do it now, like and
Speaker 1: then we just sitting there waiting like I say, that's
Speaker 1: one of the favorite series cause we had to sit
Speaker 1: there and watch, you know what I'm saying this whole series.
Speaker 4: So, so who was in the meet and quittin? Who
Speaker 4: was in the from the Clippers c Who was in
Speaker 4: there quit?
Speaker 8: What?
Speaker 6: I heard that there were some guys from the Clippers
Speaker 6: team in there, like, man, I don't want to play,
Speaker 6: I want to go home.
Speaker 4: Is that true? Who was in there quitting?
Speaker 6: I just want to know because by the way, if
Speaker 6: you ask me, they left a championship sitting on the table.
Speaker 4: Now, whether they would have beat y'all or not.
Speaker 1: Well never, it would been one of the best series.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that year. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Like so like
Speaker 1: everybody wanted it, you know what I'm saying, and we
Speaker 1: wanted it as well, and we wanted that opportunity. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna put this ship to bed like Lakers purchase
Speaker 1: Clippers like here it is, you know, and they just
Speaker 1: they just ship the bed man Like like you said
Speaker 1: that that conversation, like I've heard it. Yeah, it did
Speaker 1: come from the team. I don't know who said it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying it was quit. Was like
Speaker 1: they was ready to go, the first team ready to go,
Speaker 1: and then like uh forget who uh o g Miami?
Speaker 4: What's his name?
Speaker 1: Donna's he stood up and he was like, man, he
Speaker 1: just talked about more for like it being for the
Speaker 1: younger guys and the guys ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 1: have no money. You know what I'm saying, if we
Speaker 1: do stop this right now, Like what about these guys, man,
Speaker 1: they just getting drafted, you know what I'm saying, Year
Speaker 1: two three guys, Uh, Like what are they supposed to
Speaker 1: do about money? You know, like are you are you
Speaker 1: older guys gonna help him out? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: some of your bets and your rookies, you know, some
Speaker 1: of your young guys. So I think that like kind
Speaker 1: of shifted when he's like he stood up and said
Speaker 1: all that, and I think that changed a lot of
Speaker 1: guys mind.
Speaker 4: But like that was they were the first team ready
Speaker 4: to go for show.
Speaker 6: That's great them boys left for They left for golden
Speaker 6: opportunity sitting right there on the table, and they never
Speaker 6: got it again.
Speaker 1: That's why I told you, like, when a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff to stopping starting stopping, Like I had a lot
Speaker 1: of people's mindset changed, Like now, all right, I've been
Speaker 1: here long enough, man, you're gonna stop.
Speaker 4: I'm done, you know, So.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the twenty twenty Lakers team, you know, having that mindset.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, winning that championship.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think, uh, it's crazy, what you know?
Speaker 6: Hearing Ud stood up and said that, because the reality is,
Speaker 6: I remember sitting with rich when y'all were in the bubble, Yeah,
Speaker 6: and like when and all those conversations going on, Richards
Speaker 6: literally getting costs as it's going on, as it's ending,
Speaker 6: what's next. We got another meeting later, and I remember
Speaker 6: sitting there with him, and one of the things that
Speaker 6: he was saying, which no one was thinking about, is,
Speaker 6: and to you, Donna's point, but even to take it
Speaker 6: a step further, if we stop now, not only does
Speaker 6: those young guys not make money, but you're actually going
Speaker 6: to have to negotiate an entirely new collective bargaining agreement, yes,
Speaker 6: which could take up to a year or two to
Speaker 6: actually negotiate that agreement, And so the league would stopped
Speaker 6: for two years two years. Now today, you're not closing
Speaker 6: a seventy six billion dollars TV deal if that stops. Right,
Speaker 6: So when you look at all of those factors and
Speaker 6: the effect that it had on the league, now, how
Speaker 6: can you say the championship that was won through all
Speaker 6: of those factors have an astroid?
Speaker 4: Buy? Oh wow.
Speaker 1: That's why I stopped listening to people when they say that. Man,
Speaker 1: I just like, man, all right, it's a championship. They
Speaker 1: we won, and I got my right. We were still
Speaker 1: able to celebrate, you know what I'm saying, like on
Speaker 1: the property, you know, in the in the Orlando but
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a great time and we're not
Speaker 1: uh like in the finals, I think like a sec
Speaker 1: h end of the conference finals and then finals, was
Speaker 1: able to have the family there, you know, which was great.
Speaker 1: You know, our family was able to like see us
Speaker 1: win the championship, got the confetti coming down. It still
Speaker 1: was a you know, a championship level. But you know,
Speaker 1: everybody would have loved for the fans to be there,
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to celebrate with the fans.
Speaker 1: But you know, at that time, unfortunately we didn't get
Speaker 1: the opportunity, but we we won out them.
Speaker 4: Pulling that bubble off is still one of the greatest
Speaker 4: things I've ever seen in sports. Come on, man, how
Speaker 4: you do that?
Speaker 1: And with that minded like that amount of time you have,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you get this done. I
Speaker 1: was able to come here here no play and I
Speaker 1: have to worry about you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: with like like going back to like the bubble, but
Speaker 1: like it was so much like just so much basketball.
Speaker 4: I can hear everything, you know, play calls, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, team they call and everything out like that
Speaker 1: was like much important to me and I can focus
Speaker 1: just on basketball. You couldn't even like they might pump
Speaker 1: the crowd, you know what it's saying, but it's just
Speaker 1: like them cheering. So now you can't you don't hear
Speaker 1: nobody talking to you throwing off your game.
Speaker 4: So like that, I enjoyed that. Man, I could play basketball.
Speaker 4: That's why I hurted up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So no, it was it was definitely. I had fun
Speaker 6: watching it in l A outside it was great, the
Speaker 6: weather was amazing. I had a beautiful time watching it.
Speaker 6: But then moving on, uh, you know, you winning championship
Speaker 6: with the Lakers, you eventually end up moving on to
Speaker 6: the Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 4: What was that experience like?
Speaker 6: Going from playing with Bron, who I always tell people
Speaker 6: people don't understand how hard it is to get a
Speaker 6: good shot every time down the floor. And when Bron
Speaker 6: there are a few players, only a few though there's
Speaker 6: not many, Bron obviously being one of them, Joker obviously
Speaker 6: being one of them.
Speaker 4: Where you come.
Speaker 6: Down the court and every time they have they are
Speaker 6: capable of getting the team a good shot.
Speaker 4: What was it like going from them playing with Bron who's.
Speaker 6: Able to do that, but then going to play with Joker,
Speaker 6: who kind of does it in a different way.
Speaker 4: It was just Brun.
Speaker 1: You see Bron on the ball mostly you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, bring the ball up, even though Yo can
Speaker 1: do the same thing.
Speaker 4: No point five.
Speaker 1: But like once you get there, like like them two guys, man,
Speaker 1: they they do man attention, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: As soon as they checked the ball there, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so like and I just I just
Speaker 1: fed off that, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: knew them guy was gonna have so much attention on them,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was gonna either get a wide
Speaker 1: up a shot or we created a wide up a shot.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Now the defense got to
Speaker 1: move because somebody's open. You know, they doubling them two guys,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And what made it so
Speaker 1: much easier. And that's why I say they I don't
Speaker 1: see a difference between them two. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They IQ is fucking out this world. Uh they can
Speaker 1: like joking, they can shoot both of them like they
Speaker 1: got it that all around game, you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I would say it's just for them, Like for me,
Speaker 1: what made my career great playing to get with them
Speaker 1: like they were willing to pass the ball when you open,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care what type of passion or if
Speaker 1: you open, They're gonna try to get it to you,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And all I had to
Speaker 1: do was be ready to shoot, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So and that like kudos to both of them guys, man,
Speaker 1: you know, like they have made my career better, you know,
Speaker 1: like later in my later later in my years.
Speaker 4: So like man, my brothers, man.
Speaker 6: No doubt, My brothers, no doubt. And then being in
Speaker 6: Denver twenty twenty two season, don't end the way you
Speaker 6: wanted to end. Jamal Murray's out, then you come back
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three with Jamal Murray. Was were y'all in
Speaker 6: the space going into twenty twenty three or at what
Speaker 6: point and in that season was it like was it
Speaker 6: like going in where we got Jamal back, we think
Speaker 6: we're a championship team, or was it at some point
Speaker 6: during that season like, ah, we like we can do this.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: I mean I felt like they they already knew they
Speaker 1: was a championship team, you know, like the previous years
Speaker 1: before it happened me, they.
Speaker 4: Made the playoffs, you know every year almost.
Speaker 1: I feel like like like they always tell me, they say,
Speaker 1: was missing just the one piece.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And like when I got traded there, uh, and I
Speaker 1: felt the same thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, Man, I felt this in training camp like, well, I'm.
Speaker 1: Walking around guys, man like, man, look, we can just
Speaker 1: stay focused, man, Like we got a chance, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it's just me before I even
Speaker 1: got that, me watching from it from the outside, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. How their team chemistry was like.
Speaker 4: Like me plugging into that spot, man, was it was
Speaker 4: like the best fit, you know. Like, so I told him,
Speaker 4: like start.
Speaker 1: A training camp, man, Like, man, we're gonna win the
Speaker 1: champions Like we're gonna win the championship. Like if we
Speaker 1: can just you know, stay together, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: and continue to like sacrifice and play for each other man,
Speaker 1: Like it's gonna be like it's gonna be a kkewalk,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like in them by me,
Speaker 1: like being that vocal leader talking about that, like being
Speaker 1: the only one at the time, you having that championship. Ah,
Speaker 1: I feel like the guy they listened. They gravitated towards you,
Speaker 1: like towards me, you know what I'm saying. Like And
Speaker 1: when I spoke, I didn't even speak about offense, like
Speaker 1: all like we had top five you know offense, you
Speaker 1: know that year, And for me, it was just about
Speaker 1: their defense. Like first thing, I walked up to coach
Speaker 1: coach Loan and ask them, like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: what was our defense last year? Like they was like
Speaker 1: twenty you know what I'm saying, winning championship. It was
Speaker 1: number one in the West, and we was top five defense,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So like top ten, so
Speaker 1: switching that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Up like like it changed a lot.
Speaker 1: Man, I'm just being like I said, going back earlier,
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like learning from them guys, man,
Speaker 1: being the leader, h I think it was it was
Speaker 1: important for them, like like at the time for the Nuggets.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying to hear that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to be able to have a guy
Speaker 1: that's won a championship, you know what I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: been through that type of pressure. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and taking my knowledge that I know from that championship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, even though they say, what's
Speaker 1: the bubble, But like I learned a lot, you know
Speaker 1: as far as like how to how to get there,
Speaker 1: you know what it takes, you know, and just bringing
Speaker 1: that to Denver. You know, them guys gravitated towards man
Speaker 1: like they they stuck with it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Also I intentionally skipped over Washington by the way,
Speaker 4: just so it's all good.
Speaker 1: That much to say that, man, you know, because at
Speaker 1: one point we started off ten and four, you know,
Speaker 1: we was number one at one point.
Speaker 6: You know, at the time, it's always interesting starting the
Speaker 6: season and seeing the bum teams at number one, number
Speaker 6: two in the conference, and you know they're gonna finish
Speaker 6: at fourteen.
Speaker 4: We definitely dropped down sure quick. It's always interesting. But nonetheless,
Speaker 4: like I said, you know what, we're.
Speaker 6: Gonna act like that never happened because Detroyers where it started.
Speaker 4: Ain't gotta have a little couple of speed bumps in there.
Speaker 6: The Lakers Championship, it's like a blob of time and
Speaker 6: then nuggets.
Speaker 4: Some high road trip.
Speaker 1: Yet you want you see a nice little area, you
Speaker 1: want to take a detour, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Absolutely say, it was just like a little a little
Speaker 4: stock by the way. I love d C.
Speaker 6: Me too, d It's amazing. I absolutely love d C.
Speaker 6: But yeah, we're not gonna even talk about your time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, DC was like it was great city for me,
Speaker 1: my kids, family loved it. You know, even though it
Speaker 1: was a year, we enjoyed it. We met like some great
Speaker 1: people there, you know, even know we're still friends with
Speaker 1: them now. Like so like it's a great city.
Speaker 6: Last year, y'all end up losing to the Minnesota Timberwolds.
Speaker 4: Not able to defend the title and go back to
Speaker 4: back throughout that season, did you know y'all didn't quite
Speaker 4: have the championship team like y'all had the year before.
Speaker 6: Losing Bruce Brown, losing Jeff Green. I think those were
Speaker 6: some huge losses. So in going through that season, did
Speaker 6: you feel like y'all didn't quite have the championship team?
Speaker 1: You know, I thought we still had it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you know what I'm saying that
Speaker 1: the people we had behind Bruce and Jeff, you know,
Speaker 1: Peyton Watshon, you know, Christian Brown, right them guys into
Speaker 1: championship run.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, The guys showed promise.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that they'll be able to
Speaker 1: to pick that slack up, you know.
Speaker 4: Uh like, and.
Speaker 1: We we also have faith in them guys as well.
Speaker 1: You know that was going to do the same, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know it's all about opportunity. You know, if
Speaker 1: they get the opportunity, you know, do do what you
Speaker 1: do best.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I feel like during that season, you know, to running
Speaker 1: back to back, you know, we all had the same mindset,
Speaker 1: like that's what we wanted to do, you know it.
Speaker 1: We had a few bumps in the role. Like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we slipped up, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But it was three It's a three way
Speaker 1: time for first you know, like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: where we spent most of you know, you know how
Speaker 1: like towards the playoff guys get their rest, but I
Speaker 1: feel like that's what we spent most of, you know,
Speaker 1: our energy and like like time, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: trying to get that first place, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: playing catch up and playing ketch up, and then like
Speaker 1: we get to the playoffs, all right, we have no gas.
Speaker 4: You know. We felt like the Lakers should have beat us,
Speaker 4: like we was down every day every game.
Speaker 1: Definitely at least like at least tend to like higher
Speaker 1: mayven but with twenty something right right then, just taking
Speaker 1: that energy and know using the deer. So it was
Speaker 1: a lot that went into that season, know that.
Speaker 4: We wish we could have did better.
Speaker 6: That's interesting because when I think back to like our
Speaker 6: runs that first year, we wanted first.
Speaker 4: Like nobody fromorrow, and we got it. We won championship.
Speaker 4: The second year, which was twenty sixteen, we won seventy
Speaker 4: three and so although we weren't chasing the first seed,
Speaker 4: we were chasing the seventy three wins.
Speaker 6: And when I look back on it, I don't regret
Speaker 6: it because quite frankly, I don't think we ran out
Speaker 6: of gas in the playoffs, like we.
Speaker 4: Run three to one still, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So I don't think it was necessarily something that boil
Speaker 6: down to like, ah, we ran out of gas. However,
Speaker 6: what I will say is this though, after that trying
Speaker 6: to win them seventy three was so exhausted that then
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen kdkme. And it was never about like can
Speaker 6: we get the number one? CE Like, we beat a
Speaker 6: bunch of teams, so we're going to be in the
Speaker 6: race for it anyway. But it was never our goal like, yo,
Speaker 6: we gotta get the number one, see, because I felt
Speaker 6: like at that point we knew like, A, we can
Speaker 6: win on the road, so we need to go win
Speaker 6: a road again, we can do that or two if
Speaker 6: we need to, like we felt like we could do
Speaker 6: that and B And you know, some teams try to
Speaker 6: drop and stuff to get matchups that they want. That
Speaker 6: was never a thing for us, like it don't really
Speaker 6: matter who we match up again. And so it's interesting
Speaker 6: to hear that though, because I feel like our mindset
Speaker 6: right after that was like, we're going to make sure
Speaker 6: we get to the playoffs healthy, not necessarily be the
Speaker 6: number one. If we the three seed, who cares like
Speaker 6: it don't matter? And so it's interesting to hear a
Speaker 6: team that just want a championship. But then again, I
Speaker 6: guess when I look back on it, that next year
Speaker 6: we were chasing wins too. But it's just interesting to
Speaker 6: hear a team that won a championship say we felt
Speaker 6: like we had to get the number one seed.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what we that's whether I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say the mistake, but like trying to get that, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was like I want to say, we had
Speaker 1: like eight to ten games left like even like try
Speaker 1: to get that first place, but like you had okay,
Speaker 1: see you had Minnesota, like with them guys, they were hooping,
Speaker 1: like the team was like killing so like like it's
Speaker 1: just me thinking, it's like talking like talking the older
Speaker 1: guys DJ, So like man, it's like that's I felt
Speaker 1: like that's like where mindset was, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We knew we was gonna make the playoffs. But they
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, we won't. We want number one seed,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it was like talking
Speaker 1: like figuring, trying to figure out who we would match
Speaker 1: up with. You know, That's what it's like. I don't
Speaker 1: worry about that. Let's just get to the playoffs no
Speaker 1: matter what seed we are. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like list, it's not gonna be.
Speaker 4: How Champiature route, but we was number one seed when
Speaker 4: we had that route.
Speaker 1: No, it's not gonna be that this year, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because during the season we did have
Speaker 1: mall got hurt a little bit and sat down.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I set out a few games, you know, a g
Speaker 1: getting hurt, you know, by the thing happened within.
Speaker 4: That, you know, trying to race up for first.
Speaker 1: So like like you said earlier, you know, we should
Speaker 1: have just been like trying to get their healthy, you know,
Speaker 1: regardless of what seed we was, and then just go
Speaker 1: from there.
Speaker 6: Before we get out of here, we must talk about
Speaker 6: number one. Congratulations uh new three year, big money deal
Speaker 6: another one, so congrats on that, appreciate it. But first off,
Speaker 6: just what excites you. Well, before I go into that,
Speaker 6: I'd be remiss if I didn't say the Magic are
Speaker 6: finally trying to win some games. And the reason I
Speaker 6: say that is because so a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: I was on the shot and Math was asking me
Speaker 6: like or p was asking me, like, yo, who's the
Speaker 6: teams that like on a soft Tuesday, Like you're just
Speaker 6: like yo? And I was saying, like, at the time,
Speaker 6: it was the Kings, although the Kings for us was
Speaker 6: different because of that North Northern California riot.
Speaker 4: Who was the Kings Orlando Magic?
Speaker 6: And it's funny because when we played the Magic the
Speaker 6: next year, the young fellas out there like, yeah, motherfucker,
Speaker 6: Like you think he's gonna be I was like, Oh,
Speaker 6: it's the young Cord that y'all got now, but just
Speaker 6: talk to me and well, I actually spoke about this
Speaker 6: during that draft.
Speaker 4: They end up drafting Polo. Everybody was saying they was
Speaker 4: gonna draft Jabari Smith.
Speaker 6: I personally thought Paulo was that it should have been
Speaker 6: the number one pick.
Speaker 4: They ended up taking them. In large part they was
Speaker 4: watching the Draymond Green Show taking my intel. They was
Speaker 4: high on his bar. They took the intail.
Speaker 6: Hey, they did right, and I think Paolo is one
Speaker 6: of those generational players that that organization hasn't been one
Speaker 6: that's been willing to spend money. They would give a
Speaker 6: Jeff Green a one year fifteen million, get somebody else
Speaker 6: one year fifteen million, which pretty much says, we got
Speaker 6: a we got a cap threshold that we have to reach,
Speaker 6: so we're going to give you this one year deal,
Speaker 6: but we're not really trying to win and we're not
Speaker 6: locking nobody in. And now you see, like obviously they
Speaker 6: got the young core, they just extended front up.
Speaker 4: But bringing in someone like you says.
Speaker 6: To me that, oh, now, oh they're serious now, Like
Speaker 6: they bringing in the guy who's proven to help lead
Speaker 6: teams championship teams, proven leader, uh, two way guy, knock
Speaker 6: the shots down, defend the other guys, uh, the other
Speaker 6: team's best wing player.
Speaker 4: They ready to win.
Speaker 6: Now, what are you in looking at that situation that
Speaker 6: you're going into. What are you most excited about about
Speaker 6: joining in the Orlando Magic?
Speaker 4: Ah? Man, just.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm excited like all around, you know, just
Speaker 1: to be able to play with the with a young
Speaker 1: group of guys that's as that's hungry. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's had a taste of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Cleveland to Game seven, yea,
Speaker 1: you know they know what it takes. H and just
Speaker 1: talking to a few guys. You know, a mindset, you know,
Speaker 1: is it's about winning. You know, it's not oh I'm
Speaker 1: this guy, I'm that guy. It's just winning basketball games
Speaker 1: and then trying to get to that point of winning
Speaker 1: the championship.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But I'm just most excited just just to play with
Speaker 1: them guys on on on this defensive end. Man, just
Speaker 1: they finished top with you know, three or five you know, defensively,
Speaker 1: Uh and Sugs man made defensive team.
Speaker 4: Know, just them guys, you know, just that length.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to just man to see how team is gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, try to try to play against this you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 6: You just mentioned Sugs, so you know, joining the Orlando Magic,
Speaker 6: Suggs is there who's really good defender.
Speaker 4: Obviously we know what you came up.
Speaker 6: By the way, I must say I saw you guard
Speaker 6: when you were in Detroit in particular, and I don't
Speaker 6: know if you remember this game. It was at the
Speaker 6: Palace and then you did it again at the Oracle.
Speaker 6: But I saw you probably guard Steph is good. I've
Speaker 6: ever seen that one guard stuff. I remember the game
Speaker 6: and I remember one for two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was just like, man, I can't screen
Speaker 5: this dude, Like.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe you guarded him that well. And that's
Speaker 4: when I knew, like, yo, this dude is different defensively.
Speaker 1: But like that didn't even even I didn't even know
Speaker 1: when I had that, you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 4: It clicked my sophomore year in college, like.
Speaker 1: Where my freshman year, I didn't even I was playing
Speaker 1: outside of my position. I was playing three guard and
Speaker 1: you know two thousand college in first half you come
Speaker 1: on on the bench, right, So that was me like
Speaker 1: my whole freshman year. So I'm like, man, I want
Speaker 1: to play, you know what I'm saying. I'm tired of
Speaker 1: sitting out here, and something just click. You know, next year,
Speaker 1: I'm going the best team player and I'm actually moving
Speaker 1: my feet stand in front of these guys against steals
Speaker 1: and I've never worked on defense like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it's just like I'm just click
Speaker 1: in my head where like, no, this is your skill
Speaker 1: right here, like this is where you best at you
Speaker 1: score the ball, you know what I'm saying, But like
Speaker 1: your mind setting how it works.
Speaker 4: Defense works first then the offense. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And I just just carried that on.
Speaker 1: You know when I got to Detroit, No, I uh,
Speaker 1: it didn't happened to my second year where like Staying
Speaker 1: came over.
Speaker 4: That's when I was going the best player every night.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It just got.
Speaker 1: I just got stronger, I got better at it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I started learning watching the film.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and all that you know,
Speaker 1: gu ties into it. But like that didn't happen like
Speaker 1: just like it just happened, Like I don't know what
Speaker 1: they just clicked.
Speaker 4: So what you're not being with the magic? Does that
Speaker 4: give you all the best defensive backcard in the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said that in my press conference. Don't be surprised.
Speaker 1: You see me in sub zones some all defensive team
Speaker 1: next year. So I posted made it this year too,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying. But like I don't know how that works.
Speaker 6: Man, somebody got to move over because I wasn't qualified
Speaker 6: to make it this year. I'm not getting suspended next year,
Speaker 6: of course not make it.
Speaker 4: So somebody got to move over, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna I mean a.
Speaker 1: Lot of guys on there that I felt like I
Speaker 1: was no better than no defensively wise. You know that
Speaker 1: was on there. You know, first team, You know that,
Speaker 1: I feel like that was solid. You know who they
Speaker 1: had up there? Uh, like second team you got at
Speaker 1: least considering you know what I'm saying, k CP for sure.
Speaker 4: You know, k CP do his thing.
Speaker 5: I respect that fran just got his extension.
Speaker 6: Obviously, Paulo's next up to break the bank.
Speaker 4: What do you see.
Speaker 6: That needs to happen with this team in order for
Speaker 6: it to take that next step? Like got the game seven,
Speaker 6: lost to Cleveland. That's that's great for a young team.
Speaker 6: But a lot of teams get stuck right there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: what needs to happen with this young team to ultimately
Speaker 6: take that next step?
Speaker 4: I feel like they got the formula already, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I feel like they Uh. One of
Speaker 4: the reasons they bringing me over.
Speaker 1: I feel like they didn't have a lot of shooting
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying where you know, you put
Speaker 1: you put a lot on you know, Paulo and Vonn
Speaker 1: you know, to make plays.
Speaker 4: No, but you also got to have God, they're gonna
Speaker 4: be ready to knock down their shot too.
Speaker 1: Uh And it was like a lot of uh inexperience
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 4: You know they're young.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the first time they're making it, you know,
Speaker 1: as a young crew of your core. You know, Like
Speaker 1: I was like surprised they went to Game seven, you know,
Speaker 1: but seeing how they was, the toughness, know, the effort they.
Speaker 4: Gave, man like they made it. It made my decision easy,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying to come to Orlando, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh uh and they wanted me is just as bad
Speaker 1: as you know saying I wanted to know to be
Speaker 1: able to join their team, you know, and what I
Speaker 1: can add so like that that made it easier for
Speaker 1: like you need to make my decision, Like I'm excited
Speaker 1: about these guys, Like it's.
Speaker 4: Just they got the formula, just just needed you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, Like, like I said, just shooting,
Speaker 1: I would say, just watching from them, watching them through
Speaker 1: the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Man, my brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 6: My dog coming on the show has been an honest
Speaker 6: in here having this conversation talking to you about your journey. Man,
Speaker 6: it's like, obviously I've been on one team and never
Speaker 6: had to make those adjustments. And it's always interesting to
Speaker 6: me to hear that journey because like I am, I
Speaker 6: keep everything the same, Like I don't. I don't adjust
Speaker 6: to change well. And so to see like guys do that,
Speaker 6: I have a tremendous amount of respect like I struggle
Speaker 6: with like, oh man, it's a new coach, it's a
Speaker 6: new trainer in the training room, it's a it's you know,
Speaker 6: it's a.
Speaker 4: New stream coach. Like I struggled with those things, and so.
Speaker 1: I said, it's a hard adjustment, you know, no matter
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're walking into. You know how
Speaker 1: the team, how the organization is, Like how like the
Speaker 1: trainers are you know.
Speaker 4: Everybody around you?
Speaker 1: Uh, But like I would say, every team I've been on,
Speaker 1: either it's somebody that came with me previous team, or
Speaker 1: I'm going to a team where I know someone you understand,
Speaker 1: which made it easier, you know what I'm saying, to
Speaker 1: be able to just come over there and like just
Speaker 1: fit right in.
Speaker 4: You know, I know one person all I know everybody else.
Speaker 4: Uh and every team I've been on. I like it's
Speaker 4: been that way. So Alex Crew.
Speaker 1: So one of my my good friends. Man, today I
Speaker 1: got traded. I signed with LA I didn't know he
Speaker 1: was playing with the G League team and I played
Speaker 1: against him in college.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: So like's just having them type of like friendship, you know,
Speaker 1: and like people that you know. Man helps out a
Speaker 1: lot when when when you're adjusting to new teams and
Speaker 1: new cities.
Speaker 6: Getting traded, you know, having like with Cools, having brid
Speaker 6: there is about the only thing that saved washing it.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you man.
Speaker 6: Brother from the resort world, we appreciate y'all to it
Speaker 6: And now Vegas baby Peace.
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