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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: It's over double killer Danello Cavalcante is in custody.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: in series XM one eleven. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Last night, shortly after midnight, a series of events started

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Speaker 4: to unfold. First, we had a burglar alarm at a

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Speaker 4: residence near Prizer Road within the perimeter. Our people investigated that,

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Speaker 4: did not find Cavalcante there or anyone else, but it

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Speaker 4: brought it started to bring some of our people into

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Speaker 4: that area. We had been searching an area not far

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Speaker 4: from there already with some tactical teams. That night was

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Speaker 4: an aircraft overhead utilizing Fleer technology and close to one

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Speaker 4: am picked up a heat signal that they began to track.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to go from A to Z first

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Speaker 2: with an all star panel. I'm going to go to

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Speaker 2: Eddie Cadam, investigative reporter with Fox twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: Out of Philly.

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Speaker 2: Eddie, thank you for being with us. I want to

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Speaker 2: focus on what I just heard. Are you telling me

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Speaker 2: that at one am, LA law enforcement was up in

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Speaker 2: the air looking for any heat heated movement in the

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Speaker 2: brush and in the woods. One am there in the

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Speaker 2: air with a helicopter.

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Speaker 5: One am a plane that was up in the air

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Speaker 5: flying around in circles. The way that it was described as,

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Speaker 5: it's like a cone that can kind of look down

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Speaker 5: into the woods.

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Speaker 2: So, Eddie Cadam, while everybody else is asleep in their beds,

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Speaker 2: you got law enforcement up there working through the night

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. Now I understand saying it was

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Speaker 2: a d E a plane.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct, Nancy, a DEA plane with infrared technology

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Speaker 5: on it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, fixed wing guys with me an all star panel

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Speaker 2: or brand joining me, Douglas McGregor joining me, Doctor Gorniette,

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Speaker 2: Karen Start and Nima Ramani to you, Douglas McGregor, Geographic

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Speaker 2: profile or specializing and the hunt for missing people and fugitives.

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Speaker 2: You can find them at the g A profile or

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Speaker 2: explain to me how the infrared system works. Dan, We've

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Speaker 2: got a d A fixed wing plane with infrared capability.

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Speaker 6: Just as you mentioned the you know, the plane flying over.

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Speaker 6: They scan a certain area and they try to pick

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Speaker 6: up the heat signature from you know, objects below. So

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Speaker 6: obviously they're looking for a human in this case, it

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Speaker 6: could pick up animals or other objects as well. And

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Speaker 6: and cavilcante. He if he knows that the technology is

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Speaker 6: being used, he can, you know, put in countermeasures to

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Speaker 6: avoid that technology.

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Speaker 2: When you say that there are counter measures to fight

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Speaker 2: thermal imaging, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Most of us.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I have been on searches where thermal images

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Speaker 2: are used, but most people only know about thermal imaging

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Speaker 2: through like a James Bond movie or you know, something

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Speaker 2: like that high technology. So what is a potential countermeasure

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Speaker 2: that can be used against thermal imagery?

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Speaker 3: That's what Ellie is doing up in the air at

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Speaker 3: one a m.

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Speaker 2: What's a countermeasure to thermal imaging technology?

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Speaker 6: Accounter measure can be a barrier, so he could be

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Speaker 6: inside and it may not penetrate whatever he's behind, like

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Speaker 6: for example, a wall water could be a countermeasure. Anything

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Speaker 6: that significantly cools down his body could be accounter measure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I see what you're saying. Douglas McGregor,

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Speaker 3: a Gee graphic profiler.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, there were problems late last

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Speaker 2: night with the thermal imaging. Take a listen to hour

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Speaker 2: cut seventy eight from Fox two nine.

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Speaker 7: In the beginning of this, it was so hot that

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Speaker 7: they were saying they were having issues. So they have

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Speaker 7: been using thermal imaging from the beginning. But the problem

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Speaker 7: is we were dealing with temperatures in the nineties and

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Speaker 7: the heat index was so high that it was hard

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Speaker 7: to make that happen to have it be effective. But

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Speaker 7: we have had rain and things have cooled off over

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Speaker 7: the past twenty four hours or so.

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Speaker 2: So while they are up there trying to get a

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Speaker 2: thermal image of where they think Danello Cavalcante maybe and

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Speaker 2: remember this is a two time killer.

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Speaker 3: He shot a guy at.

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Speaker 2: A food truck, reportedly over a car repair, and then

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Speaker 2: he stabbed his girlfriend in front of her children.

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Speaker 3: That's who we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Cops desperately trying to find Cavalcante before he could strike again.

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Speaker 2: Let's do Lieutenant Colonel George Bivins cut a three.

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Speaker 4: Tactical teams made it the suit vision to secure that area,

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Speaker 4: that smaller area as best they could and hold it

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Speaker 4: did not have an issue with an escape. That resumed

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Speaker 4: early this morning, and shortly after eight am, tactical teams

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Speaker 4: converged on the area where the heat source was. They

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Speaker 4: were able to move in very quietly. They had the

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Speaker 4: element of surprise. Cavalcante did not realize he was surrounded

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Speaker 4: until that had occurred.

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Speaker 2: As they said, we don't want an issue with an escape.

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Speaker 2: You mean another escape, the third escape. So let me

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Speaker 2: understand something joining me right now. IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector,

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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service International Branch.

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Speaker 3: He's been all around the world trying.

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Speaker 2: To find fugitives, just like Danello Cavalcante, author of Solo Shot,

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Speaker 2: Curse of the Blue Stone, and Flying Solo Top of

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Speaker 2: the World, both Amazon or Brandt. So how do you

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Speaker 2: know you finally get a beat on somebody through thermal imagery?

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Speaker 2: Is it like what we see in the movies where

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Speaker 2: you actually see a figure crawling around?

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Speaker 8: Yes, it is actually like that. I've been a number

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Speaker 8: of man hunts where we've used handheld flear devices for

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Speaker 8: thermal imaging, and also in aircraft the helicopters fixed wing.

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Speaker 3: I bet you have wait a minute. Most people listening.

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Speaker 2: Have never been up in a helicopter or a fixed

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Speaker 2: wing where they're conducting thermal imagery detective work.

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Speaker 3: Just explain it. What do you see? What do you notice?

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're looking down at a disneywooded area,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's all sorts of critters and creatures.

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Speaker 3: How do you know what you're seeing?

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Speaker 8: Nancy? The devices are very advanced, and what you're looking

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Speaker 8: at on this screen is you'll see a darker area,

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Speaker 8: which is the cooler area. Then you'll pick up the

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Speaker 8: heat signature which contrasts to the darker area. Then as

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Speaker 8: it's moving, you can tell by the way it's moving

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Speaker 8: whether you're looking at a person, whether you're looking at

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Speaker 8: something like a deer, or maybe you know, something smaller

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Speaker 8: like a raccoon.

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Speaker 3: You mean it's that detailed, it's blurry.

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Speaker 8: But with practice and with experience, yes, you can tell

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Speaker 8: the difference between a human and an animal.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a sonogram or a Brent?

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's spot on, Nancy, that's what you're looking at.

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Speaker 3: This is just amazing to me. What did you say,

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Speaker 3: except for the colors.

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Speaker 8: Right, it's the colors that the heat signature is giving off.

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Speaker 2: So it's so finely tanged you can tell if you're

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Speaker 2: looking at a deer, a rabbit, apostles or a person. Wow,

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Speaker 2: did not realize exactly how accurate the thermal imaging really

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Speaker 2: is and you know.

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Speaker 3: Back to you.

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Speaker 2: Investigative reporter with thoughts twenty nine Eddie Cadam Eddie. It

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Speaker 2: was a DEA plane. How did the locals get their

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Speaker 2: mits on a dea plane?

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Speaker 5: They had every resource available to them, and as the

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Speaker 5: days got on, they just increased their presence bringing in

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Speaker 5: There was DA They had the SERT team. I was

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Speaker 5: told the moving in the team and squad Middleen in

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Speaker 5: those twenty to twenty five tactical guys, some of the

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Speaker 5: most serious guys you want looking for him, that got

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Speaker 3: Twenty five tactical guys. What does that mean? Er Brandt?

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Speaker 3: Twenty five tactical guys.

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Speaker 8: Let's basically saying swat. Yeah, they're bringing in the big guns,

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Speaker 2: Even though we've got dea drug enforcement agency, which is extremely,

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Speaker 2: extremely powerful. Listen, I was a FED for three years

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Speaker 2: before after that, I was a felony prosecutor. I could

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Speaker 2: never get the FEDS to help me on a single case.

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Speaker 3: They have their own cases to deal with.

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Speaker 2: I got to help some county prosecutor trying to solve

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Speaker 2: a murder.

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna help.

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Speaker 2: They've got their own basket of worms to deal with.

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Speaker 2: So hats off to the locals that get the DEA

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Speaker 2: in on this. But guess what he wasn't caught by

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Speaker 3: Bow wow? Is that a hint? Take a listen our

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Speaker 4: He began to crawl through thick underbrush, taking his rifle

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Speaker 4: Border Control teams bore attack had a dog with them.

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Speaker 4: They released the dog. Some of our PSP cert members

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Speaker 4: and team members from both of those teams immediately moved in.

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Speaker 4: He continued to resist, but was forcibly taken into custody.

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Speaker 4: No one was injured as a result of that.

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Speaker 8: Excuse me, He did sustain.

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Speaker 4: A minor bite wound. We had medical personnel at the

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love the way that he kind of airbrushed

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Speaker 2: that whole thing.

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Speaker 3: The dog subdued him. Okay, he was covered in blood.

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Speaker 3: The dog chewed him up.

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Speaker 2: Let me remind you before you start feeling sorry for

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Speaker 3: He had a sowd Off rifle with him. He's already

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Speaker 3: killed twice that we know of.

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Speaker 2: You don't think he would have unleashed a hell of

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Speaker 2: hadn't got to him first. Bloodied Chiller Danello cal contest

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Speaker 2: sniffed out by canees while lying under a pile of

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Speaker 2: surrounded him. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Eddy Kaden with

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Speaker 2: me investigate Reporter Fox twenty nine, tell me every detail.

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Speaker 2: Don't leave anything out about this particular juncture.

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Speaker 3: Of the manhunt.

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Speaker 5: All right, So let's start with the first sighting. Last

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Speaker 5: night there was a burglary alarm at a residence inside

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Speaker 5: him there, but what that did do is it brought

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Speaker 5: manpower to that area. After that, they put up the

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Speaker 5: aircraft with the infrared tech. This is now around one am,

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Speaker 5: picked up a heat heat signature believed to be him,

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Speaker 5: converged on that heat source and so at the same time, though,

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Speaker 5: some storms made it came in and that caused the

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Speaker 5: aircraft to actually go down. But at this point, the

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Speaker 5: teams are in position, and this is all information from

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Speaker 5: the presser.

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Speaker 2: So they're out there in the dark and in the rain.

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Speaker 2: After they pick up a heat signature.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And this is a serious storm. It's thunder, it's

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Speaker 3: But they didn't give up.

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Speaker 2: They stayed out there even when the plane had to

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Speaker 3: Okay, then what happened?

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Speaker 5: So they converge on him, and as you were just saying,

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Speaker 5: spot on, very sneaky. They he did not They saw

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Speaker 3: A listen to our friends at Thoughts twenty nine.

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Speaker 7: The first moments when he was captured, we were there.

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Speaker 4: Of wood, wiping his face possibly of blood.

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Speaker 9: Who knows what the takedown was like.

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Speaker 7: And so we're learning now as we take a look

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Speaker 7: We've learned that he was found inside of a shed

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Speaker 2: How fast it would have been for him to take

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Speaker 2: for those of you just joining us, the man hunt

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Speaker 2: is overco he found and brought out covered in blood

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Speaker 3: Doctor Jan Gorniac joining US.

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Speaker 2: Renowned forensic pathologist, former medical examiner Clark County. That's Vegas

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Speaker 2: and you know as well as I do, there's never

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Speaker 2: Gorniac explain why he was bleeding from the head, And

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Speaker 2: isn't it true that around your face and your nose,

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Speaker 10: Yes, good morning, everybody. You're absolutely correct. Your scalp especially.

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Speaker 3: I think the dog bet him on the head, That's

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Speaker 2: But when you say heavily vascular, you mean a lot

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Speaker 10: A lot of blood vessels. You're correct, at a lot

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Speaker 3: And Jackie is waving a note at me, Yes, you're right.

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Speaker 2: He was bitten by the dog and he was crawling

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Speaker 3: Caught him and started chewing.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Thank Heaven, because this guy had his sought off

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Speaker 2: The escape prisoner Danello Cavicante's to Do by k Nines,

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Speaker 2: In the Murder, the brutal stabbing death of his girlfriend

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Speaker 3: The guard on.

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Speaker 2: Watch has been fired. He had an inappropriate cell phone

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Speaker 2: with him. In other words, it was against regulations. I

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Speaker 3: He can make it to the prize the US. What

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Speaker 3: more do we know.

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Speaker 2: About the takedown in the early morning hours, take a

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Speaker 2: listening to our cut sixty five.

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Speaker 3: Our friends at CBS.

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Speaker 11: Jim Barnes and his wife. They knew caval Kante around

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Speaker 11: But nothing really could have prepared them for what happened

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Speaker 8: We had a very interesting night.

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Speaker 12: It was very sleepless.

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Speaker 2: How did the varns is minding their own business suddenly

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Speaker 11: It started as a pretty typical Monday for Jim Varnes

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Speaker 12: Groceries in it and then we locked everything up and

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Speaker 11: They knew escape Chester County in Maitdenelo cabal Conte was

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Speaker 3: What the heck's going on?

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Speaker 2: You got a double killer outside your door, That's what's

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 11: Varnes says police told him a passerby saw a man

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Speaker 11: Police now believe Cavalcante stole the boots from the Varnes

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Speaker 11: Jim and his wife were watching TV. Varnes says. Investigators

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Speaker 2: To Karen Start, joining us renowned psychologist also TV and

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Speaker 2: radio trauma expert. You can find her at Karenstart dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen with a C. Karen Start, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. I guess what's so disturbing to me

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Speaker 2: That's why he had to escape then, That's why he

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Speaker 2: couldn't be caught. That's why he was willing to kill

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Speaker 2: sawed off shotgun with him at twenty two right there

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Speaker 2: and they're looking at life without parole, they'll do anything.

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Speaker 2: Explain what I'm talking about here and start.

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Speaker 13: It's desperation, Nancy. So when you are telling the story

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Speaker 13: about them watching television, I'm thinking to myself, they have no.

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Speaker 10: Idea what could have happened to them?

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Speaker 13: Because this guy would do anything.

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Speaker 3: What does he have to lose? He would do.

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Speaker 13: Anything to make sure that he's not captured, and so

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Speaker 13: their life was really at stake.

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Speaker 2: Guys, this family and other families suddenly get the message.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut seventy six bucks twenty

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Speaker 7: They reverse nine one one call was sent to residents

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Speaker 7: The search for Dnello cavlo Conte is over. The subject

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Speaker 7: The reverse phone calls have been made.

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Speaker 3: It's over.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what does that mean to anybody on the panel.

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Speaker 3: A reverse nine to one one.

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Speaker 2: Call goes out to the whole community. How does that

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Speaker 2: work straight out to you. IRV Brant or Douglas McGregor,

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Speaker 8: That work well, Nancy? In an emergency situation, the homes

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Speaker 3: You mean, like an amber alert.

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Speaker 2: Correct that pops up on your phone with that crazy

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Speaker 8: Correct, Correct, within that nine one one operating area.

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Speaker 2: Ah, got you, So that's where the nine to one one,

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Speaker 3: Guys joining me right now.

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Speaker 2: In addition to our other guests that you've been listening to,

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Speaker 2: Nima Romani is joining us. He's a renowned former federal

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Speaker 2: prosecutor turned trial lawyer, president and co founder of the

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Speaker 2: West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of.

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Speaker 3: Harvard to hashtag Nima, thank you so much for being

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Speaker 2: You and I have both dealt with prisoners with nothing

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Speaker 3: That is why when a.

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Speaker 2: Verdict is read in a courtroom, multiple sheriffs come in.

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Speaker 2: If you know what's happening, you'll see that armed sheriffs

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Speaker 2: They may stand in front of the prosecutor. I didn't

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Speaker 2: There'll be one to the side of the judge's bench,

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Speaker 2: But you want everyone to be able to see and

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Speaker 3: In my case, I always had to read the verdict.

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Speaker 3: But that's for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Once a guilty verdict, if it is a guilty verdict

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Speaker 2: what that person will do. I've had a defendant lunge

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Speaker 2: I don't know what would have happened, because I did

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Speaker 9: if the one's mom's telling them that, think of what

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Speaker 9: the mindset of a double murderer is. I'm shocked that

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Speaker 9: he didn't try to shoot his way out of this

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Speaker 9: or fight or I mean, obviously the reports are coming back,

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Speaker 9: but yeah, if you spend the rest of your life

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Speaker 9: in prison, there's a lot of people who would rather

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Speaker 9: die than experience that.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nima, I was saving this as a little surprised

452
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Speaker 2: for you. But speaking of the mom that gave birth,

453
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Speaker 2: this is her spawn.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Our cut seventy two are our friends at crime online

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Speaker 2: dot Com.

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Speaker 15: Daniello Calacante's mother is defending her son while admitting he

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Speaker 15: did kill his former girlfriend in front of her two children.

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Speaker 15: But the fugitive's mother tells The New York Times he

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Speaker 15: did it but he had no choice. Iris Siema Kava

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Speaker 15: Kante said quote did it happen. It happened, but it

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Speaker 15: happened because of the stranglehold she put on him, the

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Speaker 15: stance she took with him. It wasn't femicide. He had

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Speaker 15: to he had no other choice. Unquote the choice she

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Speaker 15: speaks of. Deborah Brendeo was tired of being threatened and

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Speaker 15: beaten by Cavalcanti and threatened she would go to police

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Speaker 15: in Pennsylvania and tell them about Cavalcanti, the illegal immigrant

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Speaker 15: wanted for murder in Brazil for a stabbing a friend

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Speaker 15: at a food truck in twenty seventeen. That is the

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Speaker 15: corner of Cavalcanti's mother is speaking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this. You know what, I'm just

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Speaker 2: a JD. I need a shrink to you, Karen Stark.

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Speaker 2: Mommy is saying he had to butcher his girlfriend in

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Speaker 2: front of her two little children.

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Speaker 13: They will never recover these little children.

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Speaker 2: And mommy is saying, oh, my son, it's her fault.

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Speaker 2: She got stabbed thirty nine times. And when she says stranglehold,

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Speaker 2: she's not talking about the girlfriend having him in a stranglehold.

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Speaker 2: She is talking about the claim that Deborah Brendeio, the

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Speaker 2: girlfriend stabbed thirty eight or thirty nine times. And I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go back to doctor Gorniac about how you

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Speaker 2: can't tell how many stab wins exactly thirty eight or

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Speaker 2: thirty nine times.

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Speaker 3: She'd have been a physical stranglehold. Oh thank you, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Children ages seven and four see their mother stabbed thirty

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Speaker 2: nine times to death seven and four.

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Speaker 3: You think they're ever going to get over that answer?

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Speaker 2: No, Mommy is saying he spawned calvil Kante.

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Speaker 3: It's not his fault. She'd have been a stranglehold in that.

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Speaker 2: She told him if you didn't quit beating her all

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Speaker 2: the time, she'd tell authorities he was wanted from murder

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Speaker 2: back in Brazil.

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Speaker 3: Karen Stark thoughts.

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Speaker 13: Well, I mean, Nancy, you know mothers to spend their children.

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Speaker 13: We're not surprised about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh you are not telling me that you expected this.

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Speaker 13: What this is about as an extreme as you could

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Speaker 13: possibly get. I mean, here is a mother and it

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Speaker 13: just goes to show talk about Sponge why he turned out.

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Speaker 10: To be the person that he is, because he's.

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Speaker 13: Allowed to get away with anything. He could kill somebody

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Speaker 13: because they're threatening to go to the police, and she's

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Speaker 13: saying that he had no choice that she was strangling him.

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Speaker 10: What this is not your everyday mother.

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Speaker 13: This is a mother of a criminal.

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Speaker 3: It's a monster mother. It's a monster mother.

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Speaker 2: Now we'll say it's okay to stab the girlfriend.

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Speaker 13: Not just that, but Nancy. She also said she'd rather

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Speaker 13: have him dead than be captured again. This is his mother,

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Speaker 13: would rather see him dead.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Gane.

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Speaker 2: Gorniac joining us, very well respected pathologist who has taken

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Speaker 2: to the autopsy table there in Vegas many many times,

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Speaker 2: hundreds of not thousands of times to perform autopsies.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Gorniac. When someone is stabbed.

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Speaker 2: Multiple times, and the first time this may have come

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Speaker 2: into the public's consciousness was in the case of Jody Arius.

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Speaker 2: I hate to even say your name. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to conjure her up out of the cauldron. But she

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Speaker 2: stabbed her lover, Travis Alexander. I believe twenty nine times.

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Speaker 2: Can you check me on that, Jackie. But the number

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Speaker 2: of stabbings fluctuated depending on who was reporting it, and

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Speaker 2: the reason was, once you stab somebody so many times,

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Speaker 2: you start stabbing them in the same place, the stab

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Speaker 2: wounds begin to overlap each other, and it's very more

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Speaker 2: than twenty seven c see I said twenty nine because

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Speaker 2: another person said some doctor said twenty nine. But you

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Speaker 2: stab on top of your stab wounds, and it's for

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Speaker 2: the medical examiner to determine exactly how many times you

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Speaker 2: stab somebody.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you are correct.

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Speaker 10: Also not even that the wounds will start to overlap.

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Speaker 10: You don't also don't have to remove the sharp force,

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Speaker 10: the instrument, the knife out of the body to continue stabbing.

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Speaker 10: So therefore you can have one stab wound into the body,

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Speaker 10: but you can be moving the knife around and have

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Speaker 10: like say four or five stab wounds to the lung

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Speaker 10: with one stab wound through the skin, if that makes

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Speaker 10: any sense. So you don't withdraw the knife out, So

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Speaker 10: it could be I mean, you can see one stab

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Speaker 10: wound on the body, but have four stab wounds on

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Speaker 10: the inside to the heart in the lungs. So yes,

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Speaker 10: it's very difficult to count how many times someone is

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Speaker 10: stabbed because they do overlap. People move, you know, if

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Speaker 10: you're not just gonna lay there or stand there and

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Speaker 10: get stabed. So the more you're moving, not only you're

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Speaker 10: going to have stab wounds of your body, you're going

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Speaker 10: to have you know, defensive wounds on your hands. If

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Speaker 10: you grab the neck. So these are the worst cases

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Speaker 10: for me. I really do not of all the cases

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Speaker 10: I do, except for pediatric cases those babies. Stab wound

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Speaker 10: cases are the worst cases that I have to do.

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Speaker 3: I hate stabcases. I hate them. It's visceral.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you why I hate them more than

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Speaker 2: other except for child victims.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, doctor Gorniac.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Garniac. Personal question, do you compartmentalize? I mean, how

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Speaker 2: do you just go about your day, your regular day,

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Speaker 2: like with your family, with your dog or your cat,

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Speaker 2: or going to the grocery store without visions of stabbing

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Speaker 2: autopsies coming up in your hand and dancing.

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Speaker 3: Through like a parade.

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Speaker 10: Right I did? I do get that that question quite

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Speaker 10: a bit. So when I'm doing my job, I'm a

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Speaker 10: physician first, so and that's the only way I can

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Speaker 10: get my job done. So if I go into the

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Speaker 10: autoives room as jam, it's not going to be a

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Speaker 10: good thing for myself or my colleagues. So I equate

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Speaker 10: us to being like the room the emergency room physician

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Speaker 10: when people come through the door with bloom Forth's trauma,

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Speaker 10: stab wounds, gunshot wounds, that emergency room physician has to

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Speaker 10: respond and react and treat that patient. Unfortunately, for on

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Speaker 10: our side, our patients are deceased, so we put on

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Speaker 10: our doctor's head and we treat our patients and then

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Speaker 10: we have to you know, then jam comes out. So

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Speaker 10: over the years that it has taken time, but I

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Speaker 10: have worked very intentional on leaving it in the autax room.

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Speaker 10: Not to say that some cases do not stay with me.

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Speaker 10: Like I said, some of these as I'm talking about it,

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Speaker 10: I can picture a stab wound case I had back

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Speaker 10: in two thousand and seven. So but you know, you

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Speaker 10: just have to be professional, be that puisition, treat your

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Speaker 10: patient the best that you can, and then leave it

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Speaker 10: in the autopsum.

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Speaker 2: Nima Romani is with me, former federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer.

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Speaker 2: You can find him at West Coast Trial Lawyers dot com,

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Speaker 2: author of Harvard de hashtag neema. I guess same thing

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Speaker 2: for you, and I want to use this segue to

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Speaker 2: talk about the mind of Danello Cavalcante. You know, when

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Speaker 2: I had one particular judge, and I know this is unorthodox,

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Speaker 2: but it worked whenever would have a big arraignment calendar

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Speaker 2: or pola calendar. I would sit in a ram a

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Speaker 2: conference room, of course, with armed guards, and the defense

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Speaker 2: attorneys would come in and they would bring their jill

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Speaker 2: clients who'd been brought over like four o'clock that morning

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Speaker 2: into the conference room.

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Speaker 3: That's sit on the other.

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Speaker 2: Side of the table, and I go through the police

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Speaker 2: report and all the evidence and let them look at

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Speaker 2: everything there was, and I'd give them a plea deal.

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Speaker 2: Of course, they would never want the plea deals that

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Speaker 2: I gave them, but a lot of times they would

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Speaker 2: get a plea. I would look at them, and very

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Speaker 2: often they would seem like a regular person to just

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Speaker 2: look at them in their demeanor. But when you look

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Speaker 2: at the police report and you see this guy is

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Speaker 2: sidomized children for the last seven or eight years, or

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Speaker 2: this guy killed his own mom, or this guy gunned

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Speaker 2: down a store clerk and his assistant for a pack

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Speaker 2: of cigarettes, and you're looking at the guy and they

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Speaker 2: seem charming and affable.

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Speaker 3: It's freaky. And this guy, we know, Calvalcante, could be very.

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Speaker 2: Very charming.

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Speaker 3: That's how we got the girlfriend to start with Nima.

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Speaker 14: Well, in the beginning of Targe, you know, I put

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Speaker 14: more than a thousand people in federal prison. And now

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Speaker 14: I don't feel any sympathy for the defendants, but the

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Speaker 14: family members.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say sympathy, hgl n oh.

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Speaker 2: I didn't feel sympathy, but I was always intrigued, like

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Speaker 2: looking at a spider in a box or the snake

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Speaker 2: at the snakehouse at the zoo. I'm intrigued by how

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Speaker 2: they can be so charming when I know they're a

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Speaker 2: cold blooded killer.

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Speaker 9: Oh, no question.

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Speaker 14: There's really those family members, right, the kids, the girlfriend,

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Speaker 14: the moms. Right, they're crying, they're begging, they're pleading. But

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Speaker 14: after a while, an you know, you just get desensitized

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Speaker 14: and you realize that these are criminals and their own

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Speaker 14: families are better off if they're locked up in prison

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Speaker 14: for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: Have you always noticed, as I did, I don't care

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Speaker 2: how bad the evidency is. Mommy the defendants, Mommy sits

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Speaker 2: through it like she didn't hear a thing.

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Speaker 14: No matter what, Mom's going to get up there and testify,

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Speaker 14: and we're cross examined moms, right, and the cross examination

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Speaker 14: is always just say, well, you love your son, right,

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Speaker 14: and you don't want him to go to prison, and

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Speaker 14: he'll do anything or say anything to protect them.

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Speaker 3: And that's it.

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Speaker 14: You know, the bond between a mother and her son

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Speaker 14: is unlike any other.

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Speaker 2: Back off if you're talking about my son John David

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Speaker 2: Lynch or my daughter Lucy, because they can never do

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Speaker 2: anything wrong.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Douglas McGregor joining me, Guys McGregor. That's what you call

649
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Speaker 2: a geographic profiler. He specializes in serial and violent crime,

650
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Speaker 2: missing persons, locating clandestine burial sites. You can find him

651
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Speaker 2: at at the geo Profiler. Douglas did Cavalcante.

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Speaker 3: Do exactly what you thought he was going to do?

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Speaker 6: I think that he did, Nancy, Yes, he did. He

654
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Speaker 6: had he had a plan. He executed it fairly well.

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Speaker 6: He just got interrupted by law enforcement doing a good job.

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Speaker 6: He he traveled north and he went to East Pikeland

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Speaker 6: and Phoenix, still looking for you know, accomplices, people that

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Speaker 6: help him out resources. And then after that he traveled

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Speaker 6: west and the key here is the place that he

660
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Speaker 6: dumped the vehicle, the van. It wasn't random, it wasn't

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Speaker 6: a mistake, and it wasn't just because he ran out

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Speaker 6: of gas like that place was pre selected. It was

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Speaker 6: actually the property of the father of Michael Cahill, Michael

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Speaker 6: ska Hill who helped him after he murdered his ex girlfriend.

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Speaker 6: So he knew where he was going, and he knew

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Speaker 6: where he was dumping that van. And then that's not

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Speaker 6: to implicate Michael ska Hill at all. He may have

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Speaker 6: had no knowledge that Cavalcante was heading to that residence,

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Speaker 6: that property, but Cavalcanti might just have been familiar with it.

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Speaker 6: He might have stayed there at one point, and he

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Speaker 6: may have been having continue to head west. I mean,

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Speaker 6: if if Skhill was involved in this, or wasn't accomplished

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Speaker 6: in this in any way, then Cavalcante may have been

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Speaker 6: continuing on to Ohio, specifically of a Youngstown area. So

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Speaker 6: I can't say that for sure, but he did have

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Speaker 6: a plan and he was he was trying to follow it.

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Speaker 2: Through Youngstown, Ohio college town, and there would be plenty

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Speaker 2: single young women alone all over the place in Youngstown.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now police are trying to figure out did Cavalcante have help.

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Speaker 2: Don't feel sorry for this guy. I know he looks

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Speaker 2: bloody and pitiful, but remember he had a soft off

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Speaker 2: in his backpack. He's killed before and he would do

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Speaker 2: it again.

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Speaker 3: RV brand.

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Speaker 8: What do you think, Nanthy, You were talking about how

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Speaker 8: people are surprised that he wasn't taken alive, that he

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Speaker 8: was captured and this was done. I'm sure he planned

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Speaker 8: was not to be taken alive, but it was superior

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Speaker 8: tactics by the police. Like the colonel said in his briefing,

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Speaker 8: they surrounded him and he was unaware that he was there.

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Speaker 8: And then if they would have lit him up with

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Speaker 8: floodlights and bullhorns telling him he was surrounded, he would

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Speaker 8: have shot it out with police. He had no intentions

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Speaker 8: of going back to jail. But in police work, we

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Speaker 8: have a saying action is faster than reaction, and there's

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Speaker 8: nothing faster than a canine. They let the dogs loose

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Speaker 8: on him and before he could react. He was trying

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Speaker 8: to crawl away. He wasn't given up. He was trying

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Speaker 8: to call it, but he couldn't resist the canines. Then

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Speaker 8: they moved in and they captured him. That's the only

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Speaker 8: reason why he was captured a lot. So when you

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Speaker 8: look at that bloody picture of him, well he's alive.

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Speaker 8: If it would have went any other way, the picture

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Speaker 8: would have been with him with a bullet hole in

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Speaker 8: his head. From a sniper.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing the voice of IRV Brand, Senior Inspector,

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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service and author Eddie Cadam joining US Fox

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Speaker 2: twenty nine Crack investigative reporter. Where is he now and

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Speaker 2: what happens next?

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Speaker 5: He's heading to Abingdale for processing and then he'll be

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Speaker 5: taken to the State Correctional facility where he will serve

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Speaker 5: his life sentence. And important with that too to the tenant, saying,

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Speaker 5: as long as he's in their custody, he's not getting

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Speaker 5: out again, something everybody wants to hear, obviously.

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Speaker 2: An amazing effort, and finally Danello Cavalcante behind bars where

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Speaker 2: he belongs.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,