1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: the podcast, new listeners, old listeners, Wherever you are in 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: the world, it is so great to have you here, 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: back for another episode as we, of course break down 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: and discuss the psychology of our twenties. Okay, so this 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: is not our usual episode. I think typically with the 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: topics I choose to discuss, I want to make sure 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: that most people can relate to them, right. I feel 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: like there are some very universal experiences, not just of 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: our twenties, but of being human that I would say 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: around like eighty to ninety percent of us can say, yeah, 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: I totally get that, I've been there, I've experienced that. 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: I can see myself reflected in that topic. This one 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: is for a unique subset of my listeners who can 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: relate to a fear of flying. Fear of flying, that 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: is what we are going to talk about today. I 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: have spoken about this on and off in certain episodes, 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: about how I was so terrified of flying that I 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: didn't fly for like a very long time, and I 20 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: would even do, like, you know, fourteen fifteen, sixteen hour 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: road trips in order to avoid a two hour plane ride. 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: But a listener actually DMed me the other day and 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: she was asking me for this specific episode where I 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: talked about it, and I couldn't remember, so I thought, 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: you know, I've spoken about it maybe for a couple 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: of minutes here and there, but this deserves a full 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: spot on the feed for people to come back to 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: and to listen to if this is something that they 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: fear and that they experience. So yes, we are going 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: to talk about a fear of flying, how it manifests, 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: what it looks like, and of course how to overcome it. 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: I remember when I was really struggling with this, maybe 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: two years ago, was when I really started to be 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: committed to overcoming this fear. I was going through and 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: like searching for answers everywhere, and I remember looking it 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: up on TikTok, like what are the best tips for 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: a fear of flying? And there were some great tips, 38 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: but a lot of what I received was like informative 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: videos about like playing safety and like interviews with pilots, 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: and I really needed something else. And I think I 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: also realized that it was kind of a turning point 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: for me where I was having all these huge, huge 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: opportunities to be able to go overseas, to go to 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: the US, go to Europe, fly everywhere, and you know, 45 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: go to these events and travel. And I wasn't going 46 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: to get that opportunity again. And if I let myself 47 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: be held back by my fear of flying, I would 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: really really regret it. Now, I also have to say, 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: when you live in Australia, like those big long international 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: flights are definitely something you really have to you know, 51 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: it just adds a little bit more intensity to the fear. 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: Like if I want to overcome my fear of flying 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: and therefore give myself the opportunity to go to Europe, 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: or to experience like a beautiful Italian summer, or to 55 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: go to the US for work, that's like a twenty 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: four thirty hour commitment. And it was one of those 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: flights that really like pushed me to finally get over 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: this fear and find strategies that worked for me. Back 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, I had this like really cool 60 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to find in London to speak at like the 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: podcast show, and I was not going to give it up. 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about how I really got 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: through it, because now I'm not gonna try and choot 64 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: my own horn here, but I'm a bit of an expert, 65 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: Like I definitely still have my moments of fear and anxiety, 66 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: but I really went about this in like a systematic 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: way of like, this is not going to control my life. 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: And I will say, I know it sounds a very small, 69 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: privileged fear, and in many ways it kind of is, 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: but it can also hold you back from a lot 71 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: of experiences that we want in our twenties. Right there 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: is a lot of glamor and romanticism to solo traveling 73 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: and to just traveling in general and having backpacking experiences, 74 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: and some is abroad that if you really deeply fear flying, 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,119 Speaker 1: you can feel a lot of fomo around and feel 76 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: like you are going to really miss out on and 77 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: therefore you're going to miss out on really getting everything 78 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: that you can out of this decade. So hopefully by 79 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: the end of this episode you feel capable to have 80 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: those experiences, even if getting on a plane and flying 81 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: to whatever destination it is is part of it. Like 82 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: you feel capable of saying, yeah, I'm scared of this thing, 83 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: but I'm going to do it anyway because this is 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: what I want to do with my time and what 85 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: I want to do in these younger years of my life. 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to talk about why we have 87 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: a fear of flying, the different types of fears that 88 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: create the broader fear, and also why avoidance and ignoring 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: the problem is only going to make it worse. And 90 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: the baby steps and the mental steps and the psychological 91 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: steps that you can take and you can perform to 92 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: be okay with getting on those long flights or even 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: just getting on an hour long flight. I really do 94 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: believe that this is a fear that is easier to 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,559 Speaker 1: overcome than you would think. So, without further ado, let's 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: get into it. If you have a fear of flying, 97 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: let me just tell you are not the only one. 98 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: Even if people don't really talk about it. There have 99 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: been some recent estimates that about forty percent of us 100 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: have some fear of flying, and that has only increased 101 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: since the pandemic. Obviously because a lot of us weren't flying, 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: a lot of us weren't having the expose to an 103 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: aeroplane or to air travel that would help beat a fear. 104 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: And said it was sustaining an anxiety through avoidance that 105 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, bad things would happen when we get on 106 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: a plane, and we weren't having any of the experiences 107 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: to prove that that would be the opposite of the case, 108 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: Like that wasn't going to happen. I want to talk 109 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: about where a fear of flying comes from, firstly by 110 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: talking about my own experience. So for me, I felt 111 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: like this just crept up on me. When I was 112 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen, I solo traveled around Europe, like I met 113 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: up with some friends, but my to get to Europe 114 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: from Australia, I did that all by myself. And I, 115 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, was not flying business class. I wasn't flying 116 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: premium economy. I was flying like on China Airlines, China 117 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Southern Airlines, like not a great airline in like the 118 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: back of economy. And I remember my flights being like 119 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars return and the food was awful. On 120 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: one of my flights, like we didn't even have a 121 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: TV screen and it was like fifteen hours. Like the 122 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: whole experience was like not a pleasant experience, and I 123 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: was totally fine. Oh and by the way, like that 124 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: ended up being like I think a thirty hour flight 125 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: because we had to do two flights with a huge 126 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: layover and I was completely alone that whole time, and 127 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: like it wasn't the smoothest sailing, and I don't remember 128 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: having any real fear, and the same on the way 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: back as well, Like I actually I don't know if 130 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: I've told this story before, but on my way back 131 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: from Europe when I was eighteen, and like I did 132 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: my first big solo trip. On my way back, I 133 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: got stuck in Taiwan for the night and I'd run 134 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: out of money, Like I didn't have any money on 135 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: my travel account, I didn't have a SIM card for Taiwan, 136 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: like I was completely and utterly kind of stuck. I 137 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: wasn't sure if I was going to make the flight, 138 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: and the whole experience was actually really stressful, and I 139 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: still like got on the plane and didn't feel any fear. 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: In fact, I felt quite peaceful. And so I can 141 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: reflect on those experiences and be like, oh, there was 142 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: a time when like I really wasn't scared by this, 143 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: and then COVID happened, the pandemic happened. I was meant to. 144 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: I think, like a lot of us, I had these 145 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: big travel plans because I was about to graduate university, 146 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: like I had just graduated and I was like, great, 147 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty is like my year for traveling, and like 148 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna save up and I'm gonna go to Russia, 149 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: like this was before the Ukraine Russia War, Like look 150 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: how much has changed. Like I was like, I'm gonna 151 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: go to Russia and then I'm gonna go to the 152 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: US and maybe like a bit of Asia and just 153 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: have a great time. And I had no fear around 154 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: getting on flight, like it was not in my mind. 155 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: And then I didn't fly for two years. No one 156 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: really flew in Australia, like if you're from Australia, you 157 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: know the lockdowns here were like very very intense. And 158 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: then I had the opportunity to fly home to see 159 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: my parents in Melbourne, and oh my goodness. I remember 160 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: going to book that flight and being like, oh my god, 161 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: suddenly all of these fears are coming up for me, 162 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: Like I suddenly am picturing myself walking onto that plane 163 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: and the only sensation I can feel is like a 164 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: deep pit rock heaviness in my stomach. And I didn't 165 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: book the flight. I drove down, and then when I 166 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: had when the time came to go back up, I 167 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: drove back up again, like and it was like a 168 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: twelve thirteen hour drive, Like it was ridiculous, and it 169 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: was totally inefficient, totally like unsustainable, totally expensive as well. 170 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: And that was my first real moment of like, oh wow, 171 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: this like fear has suddenly emerged for me. And it 172 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: kept coming up, all these opportunities to go and see family, 173 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: finally being able to see family, like I would not 174 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: catch a flight, and then the one time that I 175 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: did that I really had to, I didn't get on it. 176 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: Like I literally was about to board, and I was like, 177 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to fully freak out, and I'm going to 178 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: remember having this fear of like I am going to 179 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: panic when I'm on this plane and I'm going to 180 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: try and get out of the plane. I'm going to 181 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: pull the emergency exits and I'm going to scream and 182 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to like fully freak out and I'm not 183 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: gonna be able to control myself. So I shouldn't get 184 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: on this fight, Like I was just so terrified of 185 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: having a reaction that I wasn't prepared for and I 186 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: was so terrified of my fear. So that is kind 187 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: of where I was at when I realized I needed 188 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: to change something. So for me, I think it was 189 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: that I hadn't. I think underlying this there had always 190 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: been a more general like claustrophobia and a more general 191 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: fear of the unknown. But because I had flown so 192 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: much as a kid, because my parents were always traveling 193 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: for work, Because then i'd done a long hal flight 194 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: when I was kind of not even in my twenties yet, 195 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: like I had been exposed enough that the anxiety didn't 196 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: have time to feed itself with fantasy. So that's really 197 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: where mine came from. I think for a lot of others, 198 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: it could be your fear of flying comes from a 199 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: negative experience, So you've just had one really terrible, awful 200 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: flight that has completely shaped and dominated how you think 201 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: about flying. I was talking to someone about this, one 202 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: of my friends. She has a really she has a 203 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: terrible fear of flying, and I hope she doesn't MND 204 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: be sharing this story, but I'll keep it anonymous. She 205 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: was flying back from the Philippines and they flew through 206 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: like a thunderstorm, like a lightning storm, Like they flew 207 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: through a storm, and it was non anticipated, and it 208 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: was terrifying, and the plane was shaking, and she thought 209 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: she was going to die, and it just sounded absolutely awful, 210 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: and it was like from then on out, the fear 211 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: it emerged like that was a triggering event that was 212 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: a catalyst for her fear. Another really big one is 213 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people experience, or a lot of people 214 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: report an uptick in their fear around flying after a crash. 215 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: So if you remember like MH three and seventy or 216 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of these other flights that have come down 217 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: in recent memory that we're everywhere in the news. Everyone 218 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: was talking about it. It was a crazy tragedy that 219 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: leaves an imprint because of something called the salience effect 220 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: or a salience bias, where really intense, captivating, highly emotional 221 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: news stories or things going on feel like they're actually 222 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: a lot more common, just because they are dominating so 223 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: much of the headlines and they're dominating so much about 224 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: thinking space. Like our brain is like, ah, because this 225 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: is more apparent, it must be more common, even though 226 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: it's only been one plane amongst hundreds and hundreds of thousands. 227 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: This was a big thing that we saw following nine 228 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: to eleven that was actually a real moment for people, 229 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: of a real moment where a lot of people shifted 230 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: from being totally happy to get on a plane to 231 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: a real avoidance within a lot of people, and some 232 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: people still I was reading an article like this, people 233 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: who reported having no fear about flying until nine to eleven, 234 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: and even what are we now, like twenty four years on, 235 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: like they still won't get on a plane because of 236 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: how our memories work and how our brain influences our 237 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: decision making and our behavior to protect us from what 238 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: it fears and to help us survive when really, you know, 239 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: something like a plane crash or something really terrible happening 240 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: on a flight doesn't actually happen all that often this 241 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: kind of links to a broader, deeper idea of why 242 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: do we fear flying? You know, a lot of people 243 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: will say I fear crashing, or I fear turbulence, or 244 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: I fear the confined space. So at its root, a 245 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: lot of these come down to a deeper, more simplistically 246 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: labeled fear, the big one being the fear of the 247 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:21,239 Speaker 1: unknown and the fear of being out of control. So obviously, 248 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: when you get on a plane, you're not in control anymore. 249 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: If something bad was to happen, there is nothing that 250 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: you can do. Really, I know that probably gave you 251 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: a jolt of anxiety, but we're going to discuss why, 252 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: how to overcome that. But really that's what the fear 253 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: is coming down to. If you are someone who is 254 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: already scared of uncertainty, who was already scared of not 255 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: being able to control their environment, or scared of the unknown, 256 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: flying can be a real triggering event. This also really 257 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: relates to a fear of crashing right, or a fear 258 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: of turbulence, or a fear of something bad happening on 259 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: the flight. You can't I kind of realized that in 260 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: that situation and in that moment, you might be quite powerless, 261 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: and that powerlessness, like that feeling, is one that you 262 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: are not comfortable with potentially being exposed to. There's also 263 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: the deeper fear, or a deeper kind of phobia, a claustrophobia. 264 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: This was also one that was big for me. My 265 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: big thing was I don't like being in enclosed spaces. 266 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: I don't like getting in elevators, I don't like At 267 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: the time when my fear of flying was really happening, 268 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: I didn't like even catching the train like into work 269 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: in Sydney. I didn't even like, uh, going in tunnels. 270 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: So it was all coming down to this claustrophobia. I 271 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: remember specifically like I would avoid driving in any tunnels 272 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: around this time, and when I would go into a tunnel, 273 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: I would really feel like the panic rising. And I 274 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: was particularly scared of there being traffic in a tunnel 275 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: because I was like, oh my god, I don't want 276 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: to get stuck underground in this enclosed space, Like that 277 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: just sounds like my worst nightmare, like everything is closing 278 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: in on me. And so I remember talking to my 279 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: friend and being like who travels so much for work? 280 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: And being like, how can you cope with being locked 281 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: in this metal tube for hours? Like you get in, 282 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: they close it, or you're not coming out. Nothing you 283 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: can do can allow you to exit. And he actually 284 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: said something really beautiful to me. He was like, yeah, 285 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: but isn't that really nice because while you're suspended up 286 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and up in the air, like you get this beautiful 287 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: break from reality, Like it's actually quite special. You get 288 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: to completely disconnect, you get to just like float in 289 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: this like space and time that is just like all 290 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: for you. And I was like, hmm, yes, Like I'm 291 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: slightly convinced by that, and I'm not fully on board, 292 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: but I do really still see like where he was 293 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: coming from. And he also said to me, he was like, 294 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: there are so many situations like that that you're going 295 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: to be exposed to in life where you just have 296 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: to be a bit stoic about it. Like, think about 297 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: so many other things in your life where you are 298 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: in a space or an event or a situation or 299 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: a context that you can't change, and you just have 300 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: to find a way to accept it. And so learning 301 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: how to overcome a fear of flying, actually, what it 302 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: really does is teach you a lot of lessons about 303 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: dealing with discomfort and anxiety and your own ability to 304 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: control a situation in general, Like it helps teach you 305 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: how to do that in so many other broader areas 306 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: of your life. But again, just to summarize, those are 307 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: the real big reasons that we fear flying. We fear 308 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: a terrible event occurring. Maybe we fear death, we fear injury, 309 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: we fear the plane crashing, and therefore we become quite 310 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: worried about turbulence, We become quite worried about small little things. 311 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: And then we also have a deeper fear of the 312 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: und own, a fear of being out of control, and 313 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: also claustrophobia, a fee of a fear of enclosed, tight 314 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: spaces when you have a fear of flying. If you're 315 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: not someone who's familiar with this, what this can feel 316 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: like is a lot of anticipatory anxiety. So I remember 317 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: last year I caught a flight from Bali to New York, 318 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: and the whole two to three days before that happened, 319 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: it was all I could think about. I was obsessed. 320 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: I was obsessed. I was googling what kind of model 321 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: the plan was going to be. I had to know 322 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: exactly where my seat was going to be. I had 323 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: to know exactly what food was going to be served 324 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: on board, what time we were departing, what time we 325 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: were learning, all the possibilities of things that could go wrong, 326 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: and YadA, YadA YadA, Like it was all this information 327 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: seeking was all coming back to anticipatory anxiety. Like I 328 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: wasn't actually in any danger at that point, I wasn't 329 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: being triggered. I wasn't in the situation that I feared, 330 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: but my brain was almost like, well, let's prepare you 331 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: by I almost copying the anxiety that you will eventually 332 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: feel right now, so you can get used to it. 333 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: Of course that didn't work. Like it doesn't work. Your 334 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: brain tries to come up with all these different ways 335 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: to manage something that it sees is difficult. But really 336 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: the biggest thing you can do for yourself is expose 337 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: yourself to the fear and see that you are still capable, 338 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: which we're going to get to eventually. The other big 339 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: thing with the fear of fying that you're likely to 340 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: feel is like when you get on the plane, I 341 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: would sweat, I would shake. I would like just literally 342 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: my whole body would shake, and I would be like 343 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: pushing my foot up and down, like bouncing my foot 344 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: up and down. Everything felt very, very hot. I felt 345 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: like I needed to run. I literally felt like a 346 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: scared rabbit. And I found that actually that was the 347 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: worst before take off, But once we were like ten 348 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: twenty minutes into the air, I felt quite calm because 349 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm in it. Now, I'm in it, 350 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: like the sense of like, yeah, there's really nothing I 351 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: can do. Tiokover and I was like, well, I may 352 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: as well just enjoy this experience. So that's really what 353 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: it feels like. It feels like a panic attack. It 354 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: feels like a lot of anxious worry. It feels like 355 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: you are stuck. You're trying to fight or flight, obviously, 356 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: trying to run away or fight back against this thing 357 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: that feels like it's threatening you. I being on an airplane. 358 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: But it all comes back to like a real like 359 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: you're the fear center of your brain and your like 360 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: nervous system is not properly responding to your circumstances. So 361 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: it's seeing danger where danger is not. Yes, danger could 362 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: eventually appear, but you're not actually in any danger in 363 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: that moment. Your brain is reading the environment and reading 364 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: the context wrong. And when I began to realize that 365 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: that my anxious thoughts about something didn't make anything more 366 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: or less likely to happen, that also was a great 367 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: relief to me. So we're going to take a quick 368 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: break here and when I return, I want to really 369 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: get into the tips that I have for overcoming my 370 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: fear of flying. Stay with us. The biggest thing I 371 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: can say to you if you have a fear of 372 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: flying is that you need to find any possible way 373 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: to stop avoiding the situation, To stop avoiding flying flights, airports, 374 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: whatever it is, and what you want to do is 375 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: really approach that in slow, manageable steps. So I knew 376 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: that when I was really getting ready to beat this fear, 377 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: or at least find a way to handle it, that 378 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: I had this big thing coming up, this big flight 379 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: that I really wanted to do. So I wanted to 380 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: fly to London. I wanted to make it there, and 381 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to get on that plane 382 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe not feel okay, but still be 383 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: able to go through with it. So in the lead up, 384 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: like the six month lead up to this flight, I 385 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: started doing small things to help myself. So I went 386 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: to a flight simulator. I would watch videos on YouTube 387 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: of people entering planes, like getting onto a plane, sitting down, 388 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: showing their surroundings, like a lot of them were like 389 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: reviews of certain seats on like different airlines. Like I'd 390 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: watch like, oh, the Emirates a three eighty like flight 391 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: from Doha to wherever, like like what the seats would 392 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: look like and what the meals were like, to just 393 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: really see. Then I also started saying yes to opportunities 394 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: that would require me to do very short flights, so 395 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: one hour, two hour flights around Australia and for the 396 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: first couple of flights, I took someone with me, so 397 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: I would literally be like, Okay, did any of my 398 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: friends need to fly to Melbourne this weekend. Let's see 399 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: if we can get on the same plane. Like I 400 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: paid for my dad to like fly on one of 401 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: my flights with me, to just help expose me to 402 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: this feared this fearful state. So the first flight I 403 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: did was an hour I think it was even less, 404 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: and I did it with my dad, and it was hot, 405 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: it was hard, but actually I realized by the end 406 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: how proud I was, how much relief I felt getting 407 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: off the plane, and how I was like, Wow, that 408 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: was not as hard as I thought it was. And 409 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: that's what the avoidance makes you believe. It keeps you 410 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: in this state where the biggest source of truth is 411 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: your fear about a situation and your thoughts about a situation, 412 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: often which are false. So the only truth you have 413 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: to rely on is what your brain is coming up with. 414 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: But when you actually expose yourself to the situation, a 415 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: much different reality becomes apparent. I then did a two 416 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: hour flight with a friend, just me and her, and 417 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: then a one hour flight by myself, and that was 418 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: really hard because we got stuck on the tarmac, and 419 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: that was something that I hadn't anticipated, and it kind 420 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: of threw me for a loop. But what I did 421 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: was I was just reminded myself of how it felt 422 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: to have someone else there with me, how really like 423 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: I was still able to do it by myself. And 424 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: I had a list of things that I knew would 425 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: help me out. So I still have this list in 426 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: my phone, and it's a number of strategies that I 427 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: knew would calm my anxiety and break me out of 428 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: a panic attack. So one of them was to just 429 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: do some guided meditation to do a breath work exercise. 430 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: I actually downloaded this app called the Dare app, which 431 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: I've spoken about before, and they do guided meditations for 432 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: a fear of flying and guided meditations for panic attacks. 433 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: And I would just sit and I would listen to 434 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: that meditation until I felt better. I also would just 435 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: do jumping jacks at the back of the plane, like 436 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: in the little flight attendant area, just until I felt better, 437 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: or squats something that would like make me feel like 438 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: I was escaping or doing something about the anxiety within me. 439 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: I put cold water on my wrists, I had something 440 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: sour to buy into. I also would bring coloring in books. 441 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: I just had a lot of it. Almost felt like 442 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: I was building a military right, like I was building 443 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: my line of defenses against this anxiety. And I said, 444 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm only allowed to panic if I get through all 445 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 1: these things and I don't feel better. Obviously, you know, 446 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: maybe my anxiety would be able to jump a couple 447 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: of hurdles, but I had a whole list of things 448 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: that I could do, so there was no way that 449 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: it could get through all of them. Something was bound 450 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: to work, something was bound to make me feel better. 451 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: And I also just allowed myself to be okay with 452 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: being scared. I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna accept 453 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: this feeling like I feel anxious, but I'm going to 454 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: look around at my environment. Is there anything to feel 455 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: anxious about? Is there anything to feel scared about? And 456 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: what I would do is I would look to other 457 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: people and I would mirror them response. So I'd look 458 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: at the people in front of me, I'd look at 459 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: all the heads of the people on the plane, and 460 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, well, these people seem fine. These 461 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: people aren't panicking, so obviously, like if I can't trust 462 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: myself and my own evaluation of the situation. I can 463 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: trust theirs, and they seem okay. I also reminded myself 464 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: something that I knew very much to be true. It's 465 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: the biology of us as humans. Our psychology is that 466 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: we cannot panic forever. So even if I was on 467 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: the verge of a panic attack, I knew that eventually 468 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: it would subside. So it was okay. If I felt 469 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: myself falling into the state, it wasn't going to last forever. 470 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: It was eventually going to go away. I know that 471 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: my body could only sustain panic and that level of 472 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: alertness and stress for so long, so I remind myself 473 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: it's just sensations, you know, It's just my body trying 474 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: to protect me. It doesn't change what is actually happening. 475 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: I also want to say, flight attendants they know how 476 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: to handle this. They see this all the time. And 477 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: I've actually seen a flight attendant help someone who was 478 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: panicking on a flight. I've seen random strangers help someone 479 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: who is panicking on a flight. You've got to remember 480 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: most people are very very kind and very very good. 481 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: If you were sitting next to someone on a plane 482 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: who turned next to you turned to you and said, 483 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm really really scared, would you dismiss them? No, you'd 484 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: be like, I totally understand, let me help you. So 485 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: you've got to understand that most other strangers will also 486 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: do that for you as well. Most people are genuinely 487 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: very nice, and even if they aren't, the flight attendants 488 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: have to be like they're getting paid to be there. 489 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: They aren't just decorative like. They have done a lot 490 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: of training, and their training also involves how to handle 491 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: really heightened emotional states for people for whom this is 492 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: a big fear. My other biggest, biggest tip, the thing 493 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: that I still swear by to this day, and this 494 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: is particularly the case with long haul flights, is to 495 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: don't like just don't let yourself be bored. Create itineraries 496 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: for each flight, the same way that you might wake 497 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: up and you might create a timed to do list 498 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: about your day, or like you would create an itinerary 499 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: for like a holiday, of like in the morning, we 500 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: do this, in the afternoon, we do this in the evening, 501 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: we do this like these are our activities for the day. 502 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: I would do the same for each of my flight, 503 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: and the day before I would make one of these itineraries. 504 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: So let me see if I can pull one up 505 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: from my flight to London that I was talking about. Okay, 506 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: here it is, I've managed to find it. So we 507 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: had two flights. This was flight one. I will also 508 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: say that for my flight to London, at the last minute, 509 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: I did ask my dad to come with me and 510 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I paid for his flight, which is something I felt 511 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: very lucky to be able to do. I had all 512 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: these points that I had been like saving up for 513 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: literally like because I wasn't flying anywhere but before COVID, 514 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: I flew a lot, and i'd like saved up all 515 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: of these points for that trip to Europe I was 516 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: meant to be doing never use them. So I use 517 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: those to get my dad a flight so that he 518 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: could come with me, because I was really really scared. 519 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: But this is what my itinerary looked like. So our 520 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: one talk to my dad and get settled. Hour two. 521 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: I had my routine, like my nighttime routine. So I 522 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: got a face mask, I brushed my teeth, I put 523 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: on my noise to canceling headphones. Hour two again, put 524 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: on a movie. Hour three, finish movie, and do some knitting. 525 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Our four, have my first round of snacks, eat meal, 526 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: So like I was scheduling things to look forward to 527 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: for each hour. Hour five, start second movie, get ready 528 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: for sleep, take a melatonin. Then it was like hour 529 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: six hours, seven hour eight sleep. But if not, I 530 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: had alternatives, which was to edit some of my podcast 531 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: episodes or to do some coloring in. I even had 532 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: other things to do as well, like I had a 533 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: little legos, so I had activities like I was prepared 534 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: then our like ten eleven twelve. I had like instructions 535 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: to make Instagram posts, like I had everything set up 536 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: so that I had more things to do. Movie three 537 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: and then our like fourteen, prepare to land, and then 538 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: my second flight. This is what I said. I said 539 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: it was an eight hour flight. I said, this is 540 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: just like a nine to five work day, Like that 541 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: is what this is. If I would easily sit in 542 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: an office for eight hours in the same space that 543 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: I would sit in a chair on a plane, Like, 544 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: this is the same amount of time. So I had 545 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: my hour one, get settled, have some snacks, listen to 546 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: a podcast, hour to do another face mask. Hour three. 547 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: I could either write some episodes or write my books. 548 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: I was writing my book at the time, or I 549 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: could watch a movie. Iur movie movie right right, our seven, 550 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: listen to a podcast, read our eight, talk to dad, 551 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: prepare to land. So like I had this itinerary for 552 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: myself that would help me feel like my time was. 553 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: The day before my flight as well, the morning before, 554 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: I would go and get everything that I needed to buy, 555 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: Slash needed to bring with me, Slash wanted to have. 556 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: So this is what I had for like the list, 557 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 1: I needed to buy sour candy, compression socks, a puzzle book. 558 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: I also bought magazines and imask, toothbrush and toothpaste, portable charger, 559 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: water bottle. I also bought my prescription sour candy. I 560 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: also had instructions for myself to download five movies that 561 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: seems a little bit excessive, make sure that everything was charged, 562 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: wear comfortable but fashionable clothes, which will come into the 563 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: next tip that I have. And then the morning of 564 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: my flight, I went for a really big swim and 565 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: a really big run so that I was exhausted. Then 566 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: I had an everything shower and had a really healthy breakfast. 567 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: All of these things like putting myself in the best 568 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: possible place to be prepared for this flight, and I 569 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: had a daily reminder at the top of this list. 570 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: So this is my list that I have on my 571 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: phone called flight prep. Haven't updated it since the third 572 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: of December. But the reminder on the top of my 573 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: phone said, you need to do hard things to grow 574 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: acknowledge the fear and run towards it anyway, And so 575 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: I had this huge, comprehensive list to come back to. 576 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: And can I tell you something that those itineraries, that 577 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: whole plan, I didn't once have to use it, not once. 578 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: It was so important that it was there. But once 579 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: I got onto the plane and I settled in and 580 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: I maybe did the first hour or two of my routine, 581 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: I realized that all of this preparation, really what it 582 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: was doing was just making me feel more at ease 583 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: with the possibility of discomfort. But after the first hour, 584 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't uncomfortable, I wasn't scared, I wasn't anxious. I 585 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: was okay. So I was really able to relax into 586 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the situation. That is really what this preparation taught me 587 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: is that you can do all that you want to do, 588 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: but when you are in situation, the chances are it's 589 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: not going to be as bad or as hard as 590 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: you previously thought it was. Now I want to bring 591 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: us all back to that thing I said before that 592 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: may have sounded strange. Wear comfortable but fashionable clothes. This 593 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 1: links to something that I still too still do to 594 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: this day, which is that I romanticize the privilege and 595 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: the act of flying by And it's gonna sound really 596 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: silly imagining that I'm someone really famous or really important. 597 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: And the person that I tend to imagine is that 598 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: I am Taylor Swift and that I'm getting on my 599 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: flight and that this is just part of business. And 600 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: I romanticize this whole process of like having the opportunity 601 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: to be a jet setter, what that means, like what 602 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: that feels like, and like would that person feel anxious, 603 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: would like Taylor Swift feel anxious about flying? Probably not, 604 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: Like would Beyonce feel anxious about flying? Probably not? Like 605 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: this is this is like what they do, Like this 606 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: is what it means to be someone who is successful. 607 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: I kind of like to pretend that I'm someone else 608 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: in that moment. I am someone more capable. I am 609 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: someone for whom this is really really normal, and it 610 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: really really works visualizing and romanticizing the process visualizing getting 611 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: off the plane as well visualizing what it's going to 612 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: feel like to literally put your feet on the tar, 613 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: on the tarmac or on like the whatever it is 614 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: like the walkway, like visualizing that sensation, visualizing your first 615 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air when you get off the plane. 616 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: Also really really profound, like your mind has like has 617 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: so many superpowers and hidden talents and hidden capabilities built 618 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: into it to get you through hard situations, and its 619 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: ability to reflect and remember and visualize and imagine future 620 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: situations or past peaceful situations is something that you can 621 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: use to pull yourself into a calm space when you 622 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: are maybe panicking or you are maybe spiraling. I also 623 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 1: mentioned having a go to meditation that you know and 624 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: you've proven to yourself can bring you out of a 625 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: stressed state. Mine was the Dare meditation that's really useful 626 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: and finally have a backup calming option. Now, I'm not 627 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: gonna tell you to go out and get a valiant 628 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: prescription or to rely on prescription drugs or whatever it is, 629 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: or melatonin or something herbal or even like a glass 630 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: of wine, but just knowing that you have it there 631 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: without having to use it is incredibly helpful. So I 632 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 1: did have a valiant prescription. But let me just tell 633 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: you I didn't touch it like I for a lot 634 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: of my long haul flights now slash Ever, like I think, 635 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: I've only taken it once, and it was because I 636 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: was really like I was feeling quite ill, and I 637 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: was also really not feeling well mentally. I had slept 638 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: for like a couple of days just because I'd been 639 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: so run off my feet and jet lagged. That was 640 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: the only time I used it. But I have taken 641 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: so many international long haul flights where I have not 642 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: needed it. But just the fact that I have it 643 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: in my toiletrys bag, or that I know I can 644 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: have a glass of red wine and feel better even 645 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: though I don't drink on flights, that has been so powerful. Again, 646 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: it's just giving your brain and giving yourself all of 647 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: these hurdles that it has to jump over before you 648 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: are going to let yourself panic. So having all of 649 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 1: these different things that you can focus on, that you 650 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: can zoom in on, that you can feel comforted by 651 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: before you feel like you have to let your sensations 652 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: take over. I want to also remind you of that 653 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: reminder I had at the top of that list. In 654 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: order to grow, you have to do hard things. So 655 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: if you are someone who has avoided flying, who was 656 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: scared of it feels really uncomfortable, it does get easier 657 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: and you do see more of the rewards of putting 658 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: yourself in a hard situation, an uncomfortable situation, something that 659 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: you don't actually want to do, but which you are 660 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: able to come out of and realize that you are 661 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: so grateful to yourself for doing it. And it's actually 662 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: not very common I think in our day and age, 663 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: that we do things that are very difficult, and that 664 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: we push ourselves really hard into a place of discomfort 665 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: and even fear, and are still able to come out 666 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: the other side and see the rewards. Flying when you 667 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: have a fear of flying is such a great opportunity 668 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: to feel what it really means to you know, feel 669 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: deeply proud of yourself and deeply accomplished for doing the 670 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: hard thing over the easy thing. So I'm wishing you 671 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: so much luck. I know this is really really hard, 672 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,240 Speaker 1: but I also want you to know that, as someone 673 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 1: who used to be so afraid that she would get 674 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: off flights, that she would drive frickin thirteen hours to 675 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: get places who you know avoided so many opportunities because 676 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: of her fear. I have been able to get over it. Yes, 677 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: like it's not completely gone, but in like two weeks, 678 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm flying solo to the US for work and then 679 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: flying back and that's like a fifteen hour flight. And 680 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: the level of anxiety I feel about it is nowhere 681 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: near what I would have experienced two or three years ago. 682 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: And I feel completely fully capable of doing it, and 683 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: I believe that you can feel that way as well. 684 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: So sending you lots of love, peace, strength, calm, and 685 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity to really push yourself and to learn and 686 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: to see what you are capable of. Thank you so 687 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,760 Speaker 1: much for listening to this episode. If you are someone 688 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: who also has a fear of flying, and you have 689 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: a tip or a suggestion or a piece of advice 690 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: that you personally have used that I didn't mention, please 691 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: drop it in the comments below. I would love to 692 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: have the comment section on Spotify just be a you know, 693 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: just a huge page and peace and community notice board 694 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: of advice and feedback and tips and tricks for all 695 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: of us to learn from each other. I think that 696 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: would be really really useful, and again, send this to 697 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: someone who you think might need to hear it. If 698 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: you have a friend who you know also experiences this 699 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: who was one of the forty percent, or a parent 700 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: or a family member who has been avoiding or putting 701 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: off flying for some of the very reasons we talked about, 702 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe this could help them, So feel free to share it, 703 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: and if you haven't already, make sure that you are 704 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 1: following along the Psychology of your twenties. Leave us a 705 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: five star review and follow us on Instagram at that 706 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: Psychology podcast. If you have further thoughts, questions, queries about 707 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: this episode, or you want to suggest another episode. I 708 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 1: love hearing from you all over there, and until next time, 709 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: stay safe, be kind, be gentle to yourself, happy fly dying, 710 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: safe travels, and we will talk very very soon,