Speaker 1: All right, it's get going right here right now. This
Speaker 1: is Eyes up Here, and you're listening and watching and
Speaker 1: taking a brand new episode of Eyes up Here on
Speaker 1: our Patreon channel as well as on the Creative Control
Speaker 1: podcast network. He didn't know by now. My name is
Speaker 1: Chad and every single week I'm joined here by the
Speaker 1: star of this show, the Vampire Girl. Today she's got
Speaker 1: a very cool shurt on. We'll hear about that soon,
Speaker 1: but it is the queen of extreme frenzy. I am
Speaker 1: an honorary Vampire Girl today with my new shirt, and
Speaker 1: like you said, we'll talk about that. But everything going
Speaker 1: all right. Everything's great. Snow abunding my residence but otherwise
Speaker 1: very good. Yes, the kids were chopping at the bit
Speaker 1: to get outside today and I was like, well, mommy
Speaker 1: has to work, but as soon as I'm done, we'll
Speaker 1: venture out. So uh and you want to start hot?
Speaker 1: I do? Is she here? We start about as hot
Speaker 1: as you could possibly get it going. So I'm wearing
Speaker 1: this shirt because I want to honor our guest today,
Speaker 1: Miss Shelley Martinez is here. Where are you? This is
Speaker 1: what I did all day yesterday. I made a studio
Speaker 1: in my girlage. How beautiful? Is that I? At first
Speaker 1: I said to myself, is that a ferris wheel behind her?
Speaker 1: And why is it my time? And where is she?
Speaker 1: But then I was like, wait a minute, No, that
Speaker 1: looks great. I'm in my beat cave. I love it.
Speaker 1: It looks so good. This is the first time me
Speaker 1: using it because I spent like all day yesterday like
Speaker 1: putting it all together because on the other side of
Speaker 1: my garage is my gym. So it's like I've been
Speaker 1: really trying to like focus on because there's this really
Speaker 1: cute place in downtown La like to shoot and it
Speaker 1: kind of has this vibe and it's like, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: spending all this money on this like space, why not
Speaker 1: just like make my own and just like make it better.
Speaker 1: Like my couch sucks, it's my old couch, but you
Speaker 1: know they'll get there. I'll get a little couch and
Speaker 1: you can't even see your couch because your boobs take
Speaker 1: up the whole lens. Yeah, it's exactly. Look I'm sporting today. Yes,
Speaker 1: I said in your intro, I said, I'm an honorary
Speaker 1: vampire girl. Absolutely, I'm not trying to steal your gimmick
Speaker 1: by any means, but she was nice enough to send
Speaker 1: me a shirt and I said, come on the show.
Speaker 1: Let's promote whatever you're doing and chit chat because it's
Speaker 1: been a hot minute. I haven't seen your face since
Speaker 1: we did the Bikini Swimsuits Spectacular Showdown whatever it was called,
Speaker 1: was August August. Yeah, that's terrible. You know, her and
Speaker 1: I are the worst. We will text back and forth,
Speaker 1: you know, because we've kept in touch now for a
Speaker 1: million years, right, and we're always like, we need to FaceTime,
Speaker 1: we need to sit. We never get around to it,
Speaker 1: and it's terrible and we really need to do that.
Speaker 1: I agree, Well, at least we're here. We can kinda
Speaker 1: and I'm just the spectator. So FaceTime, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: how shitty we are because we keep saying we're going
Speaker 1: to do it and we never do it. But you're
Speaker 1: here now. So what has been going on in the
Speaker 1: life of uh miss Martinez? Fill us in let us know, Well,
Speaker 1: a whole lot. Of course, I have my secret society,
Speaker 1: that's always a given. But you know, ever since I
Speaker 1: was in TNA, I had this idea of having this
Speaker 1: like boutique where it would be items of things that
Speaker 1: not only that I would come up with in design,
Speaker 1: like shirts for example, but like, you know, stuff that
Speaker 1: I love, because something I hate more than anything is
Speaker 1: wasting my money on products that like just because this
Speaker 1: person says it's good because they're getting paid, Like I've
Speaker 1: wasted so much money. So I wanted to bring like
Speaker 1: a place where people can like get the things that
Speaker 1: I love without like cutting the middleman kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So back in TNA, before social media was what it was,
Speaker 1: I just kind of saw it as like having like
Speaker 1: this boutique of stuff that I just love. But of course,
Speaker 1: with wrestling, it takes over, so I had to put
Speaker 1: it on the back burner, put it in the back burner.
Speaker 1: Last couple of years, I've been trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how to get a damn resell license, and like it
Speaker 1: just took me forever. It was super easy, and I
Speaker 1: got it and then lo and behold, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm making it happen. So I built my website. I
Speaker 1: got merchant there, you know, and already I'm just really
Speaker 1: proud of what it has because it has my shirts
Speaker 1: like you look so lovely in and they come in
Speaker 1: Vampire Guy as well, and I have some vinyl in there.
Speaker 1: Because I love music. I'm a vinyl collector, so there's vinyl.
Speaker 1: I have some flower hair clips because dumb Shelley. Let's
Speaker 1: see what else do I have in there? I have
Speaker 1: something else? What was Oh? I have like a digital download.
Speaker 1: So it's just a bunch of fun stuff. And it's
Speaker 1: like I do have my official merchandise on there, but
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with like my secrets societ or
Speaker 1: posting like stuff for like my sexy content. It's like
Speaker 1: literally my little online boutique that it just so happens.
Speaker 1: That's where my stuff is. And on Sunday, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be hosting my first ever meet and greet on Good
Speaker 1: Vibrations boutique dot com. Oh that's the thing. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna be live and selling live like QUDC. Well just
Speaker 1: like how we did, like did the bikini thing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a thing, but it's gonna be on Good Vibrations
Speaker 1: Boutique and it'll also go to my YouTube channel of
Speaker 1: live stream and I'm using stream yarticles, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have people with wait in line if they want to
Speaker 1: call like video in and just be like, hey, I
Speaker 1: bought that so I could chat with them while I
Speaker 1: sign it, so we'll see how it goes. We know
Speaker 1: how technology is sometimes, so that's a good idea. I
Speaker 1: you know, on Twitter, you have like all these different
Speaker 1: things that you're promoting, and I'm just like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what is what you know because they're so so
Speaker 1: you have like five different links that you put up.
Speaker 1: You have this, you have this, you have this. Break
Speaker 1: it down for me. So you just explained the website
Speaker 1: that you're promoting. When you say your secret Society, okay,
Speaker 1: is that different than say it like the only fan.
Speaker 1: Are you still doing OnlyFans? Well, here's the thing. My
Speaker 1: secret Society is my exclusive membership for those of you
Speaker 1: out theres I don't know, just exclusive content, whether it's videos, photos,
Speaker 1: you name it, it's there. I have only fans. But
Speaker 1: the way I work my only fans is there some
Speaker 1: people who they just generally want to just use OnlyFans,
Speaker 1: So that's why I have it there for them. And
Speaker 1: it's at the fifteen dollars tier that I have because
Speaker 1: it starts at five dollars membership and then it goes
Speaker 1: all the way up to one hundred. So that is
Speaker 1: just the place where it's like that just that membership
Speaker 1: because we just live in an age where people love
Speaker 1: only fans. And then I got my Patreon. People, you know,
Speaker 1: that's where it's a little bit more you can do
Speaker 1: from five dollars two hundred and the most content is
Speaker 1: on my Patreon, just because I used to just solely
Speaker 1: use it for my secret society and then my website
Speaker 1: shall i Martinez dot net. Some people don't like to
Speaker 1: be on these social media platforms. They like old school.
Speaker 1: They want an old school website. So the reason why
Speaker 1: I have so many different options for people is because
Speaker 1: literally my my audience is some of them just want OnlyFans,
Speaker 1: some of them just want Patreons, some of them just
Speaker 1: want my website. Now, if I was more over in life,
Speaker 1: I can command everyone to just go on my secret
Speaker 1: side over stop that, but it's over. I wouldn't I
Speaker 1: would be able to boss my people that I'm just not,
Speaker 1: so I kind of cater to where like everyone is
Speaker 1: at because that's when I add all that money up.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm able to do what I do for
Speaker 1: a living lot. It's a lot, but it's worth it
Speaker 1: because I get to do what I want to do, yes, exactly, no,
Speaker 1: and I'm not knocking it by any means. I'm just
Speaker 1: like I see certain links and I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: get confused because I'm like, Okay, what link is this?
Speaker 1: And what is she doing on this page? And so
Speaker 1: when I wanted it to have you on here, I
Speaker 1: just wanted you to explain the different things because if
Speaker 1: somebody hears this and they want to sign up, they're
Speaker 1: signing up for the right product. Oh and then I
Speaker 1: just started another side. I told you you need link tree.
Speaker 1: You ever hear a link tree? Oh? Yeah? Like if
Speaker 1: you go to Shelley Secret Society dot com, it's very organized.
Speaker 1: I put it right there if you want to do
Speaker 1: it this way or that way. But long story short
Speaker 1: as I can make it, I'm a failed foot model
Speaker 1: fetish model. I tried it. It didn't work out for me.
Speaker 1: I wish it did. But to be hon I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is the way for all girls or
Speaker 1: fellas that do it, but for me, it was more
Speaker 1: like what the people that were paying wanted I wasn't
Speaker 1: comfortable doing, and so when I was just putting out
Speaker 1: what I wanted, it made me a few bucks. But
Speaker 1: to add that of my roster of things to do,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't enough. And then I asked. I did
Speaker 1: a poll on Twitter, on my secret society Twitter, and
Speaker 1: somebody said that they had been a member of my
Speaker 1: foot Club, but they've always felt that I gave away
Speaker 1: too much in my previews, and I said, so they're
Speaker 1: being cheap asses. He said yes, So a member from
Speaker 1: that community said that, so I stopped being a foot model.
Speaker 1: So do you not do full content on the other sites?
Speaker 1: I mean, I do, but it's more like the foot
Speaker 1: Club was just like giving them the souls every time,
Speaker 1: giving them the wrinkle, like all the things they love
Speaker 1: I was giving to them. Yeah, but now it's more like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have some people. And then I did another poll
Speaker 1: on like my audience. On my audience, my boobs and
Speaker 1: booty people way outweigh people who are my fans that
Speaker 1: are into my feet. So that also made sense too,
Speaker 1: because I know there's girls out there that I've met
Speaker 1: throughout the years, and maybe they've had no like kind
Speaker 1: of mainstream exposure like you have or myself, so they
Speaker 1: just started from the beginning. So they hustled and they're
Speaker 1: on these forums and all this. I've got too much
Speaker 1: to do to like try to grab the audience and like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I mean to like sit there, because
Speaker 1: I got all these other sites I'm working on. So
Speaker 1: that's why I was just like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's for me. I think I should just
Speaker 1: work that my audience likes to pay for my boobs
Speaker 1: and my butt and that's it. I find it interesting
Speaker 1: because like I dabbled in the foot fetish realm, I
Speaker 1: didn't know much about it. You know, I always got
Speaker 1: requests for my feet. Now I'm gonna go on record
Speaker 1: and say, my feet are the drizzling shits. My feet
Speaker 1: to me look like Fred Flintston when he started up
Speaker 1: his car. They're big. I'm a nine. I have a big,
Speaker 1: big toe. They're not but yet people find them utterly
Speaker 1: irresistible and I can't see why they're just My husband
Speaker 1: even said what and I'm just like, dude, I don't
Speaker 1: even know, Like you know some people, I don't judge anybody.
Speaker 1: Like everybody's got their thing that they like and they're
Speaker 1: fetish and it's all good. But my feet are not cute.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. But like you said, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: even know, Like if I wanted to go full fledged
Speaker 1: because out of all the fetishes out there, I feel
Speaker 1: like the feet are the most innocent because I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a dirty thing, like you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: just they're just feet, you know. And even though I
Speaker 1: look at them and I don't see feet as being beautiful,
Speaker 1: other people do and that's fine. But I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: know what forum to go look for to promote my
Speaker 1: Like I know they're out there, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to find these things. And the foot thing, I
Speaker 1: can never wrap my head around because like I would
Speaker 1: take these pictures and then they would want me to
Speaker 1: go to the next level, and I'm like, well, what
Speaker 1: is that level? Like a foot to foot? I don't
Speaker 1: under how do you keep evolving with feet? It's just
Speaker 1: the foot, I don't I don't know. But then it
Speaker 1: got to the point where I, you know, they they
Speaker 1: wanted me to have somebody else rub my feet and
Speaker 1: then put my feet in their mouth, and it's weird.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't feel comfortable doing that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So that's where I was just like I'm done,
Speaker 1: you know, But I'm right there with you, like and too.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because at first I was like, what
Speaker 1: is it about feet? And I would ask my audience
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't say they just don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. They just wanted whatever. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to figure it out. And what's interesting
Speaker 1: is when I first started being like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try this for a year, I'll do this like foot thing,
Speaker 1: I actually started to see the beauty and I started
Speaker 1: to enjoy it. Like at first I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: like whatever, but then all of a sudden, I was
Speaker 1: like I love this, Like okay, I get it now,
Speaker 1: I understand. So it sucked for me that didn't work
Speaker 1: out that way, but it seems like the common ground
Speaker 1: in my life is like whenever something doesn't work for me,
Speaker 1: even if it seems like it should, I'm just not
Speaker 1: meant to do that. I'm just meant to put my
Speaker 1: energy somewhere else. So I abandoned the foot fetish world.
Speaker 1: After dipping my toe in, there I go. There's the
Speaker 1: pun I was looking for one, but you beat me
Speaker 1: too with After dipping my toe in, I just realized
Speaker 1: that foot fetish modeling was just a heel in my life.
Speaker 1: So I'm sending it all together, she's on fire. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I understand, but I turned that page
Speaker 1: into I have another. You know, on like my Patreon
Speaker 1: or my website, there's the different tiers. Well there's like
Speaker 1: a twenty dollars one, So I just turned that one
Speaker 1: into a twenty dollars one because sometimes people will be like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to be that member and
Speaker 1: I don't know, just giving options again once again. So
Speaker 1: that's why I have so many links. I think it's
Speaker 1: annoying myself. I'm the one posting on all of these
Speaker 1: platforms and it takes me a long time, but it's
Speaker 1: my job. And the way I used to be like
Speaker 1: maybe I should just like consolidate to one, but I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I tried that, and what ended
Speaker 1: up happening is Patreon was my main like I was
Speaker 1: making great money, like I was. I was so proud
Speaker 1: of what I built on Patreon, and then when I
Speaker 1: try to consolidate, I haven't yet. And it's been like
Speaker 1: almost two years. I haven't yet gained back that audience
Speaker 1: that I once had on there, and it sucks and
Speaker 1: I regret it so much. But but you're a hustler.
Speaker 1: I've said it. I mean we I remember our conversation
Speaker 1: on the phone one day and you were like, you
Speaker 1: need to get on Patreon and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it, and you talked me
Speaker 1: into it, and you're like, you need to do you
Speaker 1: know who you are. I'm like, yeah, I know who
Speaker 1: I am the time. That's just has saled, you know.
Speaker 1: But Patreon's been a lot of fun for me now. Granted,
Speaker 1: our content is way different, like I it's just with
Speaker 1: the web, not the website. It's just with our podcast,
Speaker 1: you know, and we do funny games and quizzes and
Speaker 1: drinking and stuff like that. But it's there's no pictures,
Speaker 1: no videos. I went a completely different route with it.
Speaker 1: But you are hustling. So it's not that it's annoying
Speaker 1: that you have all these things. It's just for a
Speaker 1: casual fan who wants to join something, they might not
Speaker 1: know which link to press and click, because like, what
Speaker 1: do you get if you choose this one or this one?
Speaker 1: I know, like I said, I try so hard on
Speaker 1: my little landing plate page. Thank God for a link tree.
Speaker 1: I try to break it down as well as I can,
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm like really scared to try to
Speaker 1: like consolidate everything because when I did, I just I
Speaker 1: still am not making the money I used to, and like, well,
Speaker 1: you don't have to. You don't have to because once
Speaker 1: they click that link, it should be self explanatory what
Speaker 1: they're getting, you know what I mean, Like they're clicking.
Speaker 1: So I'm just as you know, as I'm looking, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, this girl's doing everything and I love it
Speaker 1: because you're just boom boom boom. There's so much content
Speaker 1: out there's Yeah, it's tiring, and that's what it's been
Speaker 1: weighing on me actually, Like for the last couple of months,
Speaker 1: I'm like should I or shouldn't die? And then I
Speaker 1: always go back to how I still didn't get I mean,
Speaker 1: even if I got like most of that Patreon back,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, yeah, at least I got most
Speaker 1: of it back, so eventually, but it's like, man, it's
Speaker 1: been a couple of years and I still haven't been
Speaker 1: able to get those same people back, and it bums
Speaker 1: me out because I'm in a much better place mind, body,
Speaker 1: and soul now. So it's like I know, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're picking up new members. I see you when you're saying,
Speaker 1: somebody rebuilds or we got a new member. So you're
Speaker 1: doing great. I mean, don't sell yourself short. You're out there,
Speaker 1: you're hustling. I keep saying to myself, she's not getting
Speaker 1: enough rest, and I'm worried about her because there are
Speaker 1: certain times where I know you're not going to bed early,
Speaker 1: but you're up at like four thirty five o'clock your time.
Speaker 1: That's when I wake up, I know, because she's always like,
Speaker 1: you can text me early, and I'm just like, well,
Speaker 1: we're three hours different, and she wakes up to freaking early,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, she's not getting enough rest. It's
Speaker 1: the mother and me. I worry. You need to see
Speaker 1: about nine o'clock, like I would have been pretty early,
Speaker 1: like you know, ten o'clock talk, so you know, sneaking
Speaker 1: a nap in there. It's yeah, see that's the difference.
Speaker 1: You get to nap. I don't get to nap. I
Speaker 1: never take naps. But I got really excited because when
Speaker 1: I saw that you were kind of not fully coming
Speaker 1: back to wrestling, but kind of starting a virtual experience.
Speaker 1: I said, what is it going to take for me
Speaker 1: to lure her back for a weekend, and I got
Speaker 1: a little bit excited. Well that's because I'm putting it
Speaker 1: together and it's at my home and I'm hoping people
Speaker 1: check out the site. It's all a big commercial for
Speaker 1: Good Vibrations boutique. No no, no, But I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: when you worked for Chad and when you did the
Speaker 1: right like the real virtuals, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the wrestling virtuals, and oh that's because it's Chad
Speaker 1: and I love Chad. I know I knew, but you know,
Speaker 1: I just here's the thing. I just maybe there was
Speaker 1: a time or two in my life where when I
Speaker 1: was like, oh I don't want to be involved in
Speaker 1: wrestling or whatever, and I was bitter. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say I wasn't, but I'm not bitter anymore. It just
Speaker 1: is what it is. And I'm actually really grateful for
Speaker 1: like even all the crap I went through, you know,
Speaker 1: because now that I'm older and like life is played out,
Speaker 1: it like everything totally makes sense, even at the time
Speaker 1: when things didn't make sense, and like now it does.
Speaker 1: So I just really feel that going to a situation
Speaker 1: like a convention. I just don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: serve me well. And I just think that time of
Speaker 1: my life is over and I think it's draining. And
Speaker 1: like when at the tail end, when I was doing it,
Speaker 1: it was really just because like that's what I did
Speaker 1: to make money. But then like I remember, I did
Speaker 1: this one signing and it just like the different people
Speaker 1: that I just kept letting things roll off my back
Speaker 1: and had grievances with it just built up and I
Speaker 1: got super super drunk. I told off multiple excuse me,
Speaker 1: I confronted. I confronted multiple people, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be confronted by drunk Shelley. Shelley, but not a
Speaker 1: drunk Shelley like I confronted. And you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: glad I did because I actually got to look some
Speaker 1: people and their pupil and tell them like what's up,
Speaker 1: and then hear their side of what they think or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's fine. But just like being in that like
Speaker 1: I went into it like yeah, because the people who
Speaker 1: brought me in super nice, like they always want me
Speaker 1: to have a good time. They bring me wine, like
Speaker 1: there's just so awesome. So I was all about it.
Speaker 1: But then like I just kept like brushing things off,
Speaker 1: brushing things off, and then before I knew it, there's
Speaker 1: this one person that should name nameless. I was like drunk,
Speaker 1: and I was like, please, just ask me, what's why
Speaker 1: I don't like you anymore? Please? I was begging for
Speaker 1: this person and they wouldn't because they were scared because
Speaker 1: they knew. And they're like, oh, Shelly, you want another
Speaker 1: shot with their handle shaky? And I was like this
Speaker 1: little bit, ask me why I'm mad at you? Who
Speaker 1: it is? I know who it is, but I can't remember,
Speaker 1: so you need to tell me. You know. I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is is even though I had a release,
Speaker 1: I just really saw what that environment kind of puts
Speaker 1: me through. And I don't want a chance that anymore.
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to be in that place anymore.
Speaker 1: You don't want to get triggered? Yeah, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I've done so much healing, especially now that I can
Speaker 1: look at my wrestling career, especially on the crap I
Speaker 1: went through or people who hurt me, like I can,
Speaker 1: I have so much peace with it now. I'm so
Speaker 1: grateful to finally finally have that. Like I would hate
Speaker 1: to like get triggered and then like have to deal
Speaker 1: with because I just want that to It's fine. I
Speaker 1: have new things going on in my life. There's future
Speaker 1: things to disappoint me, to make me have new trauma.
Speaker 1: I don't even get old anymore, so it's nothing against
Speaker 1: like I don't want to do rest. It's like, dude,
Speaker 1: that was a really bad night. And then the next
Speaker 1: day I didn't remember what happened like at the end
Speaker 1: of the night, and I don't like that. And then
Speaker 1: like I I heard rumors about things that I did,
Speaker 1: and like half people I did it, half people said
Speaker 1: I didn't, So I don't know. My ring light wasn't on.
Speaker 1: I was like, I look really dark. Sorry about that. No,
Speaker 1: it's me being selfish wanting a weekend with my friends,
Speaker 1: and I said, we discussed this before. I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just want to hang out like with my friends.
Speaker 1: I want to all to be booked. I want us
Speaker 1: all to make money, and I want to sell the
Speaker 1: hang out because in wrestling, your friends don't live down
Speaker 1: the street from you. They live in different states and
Speaker 1: you never get to see them unless you're working together.
Speaker 1: So you know, as much as I would love to
Speaker 1: plan a girl's weekend where I can fly to some
Speaker 1: you know on Charted Island and hang out. I have kids,
Speaker 1: I have responsibility, and I can't if it's not a payday,
Speaker 1: I just can't get up and go far, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's just a way for me
Speaker 1: to see you or other people, which is nice. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a paid way, absolutely, I get it. You WrestleMania
Speaker 1: is supposed to be here, and like, how what twenty
Speaker 1: three next year? I guess is it for that? Uh
Speaker 1: wressel Kan? Yeah? Yeah, because this year it's in Dallas.
Speaker 1: So if I well, I don't know if you've heard,
Speaker 1: but this might be my last year because you know
Speaker 1: it's it's the fifty and Fabulous Tour because I'll be
Speaker 1: fifty next month. Whoa, and you know I might be
Speaker 1: hanging it up. So I'm not sure. But if I
Speaker 1: but if I pulitary funk and I come back, I
Speaker 1: will try to get to La. Just do that one, like,
Speaker 1: just just do that one. Oh okayause it brings you here.
Speaker 1: You'll make the money. You'll make good money because they
Speaker 1: know that's the only time I'm only going so I
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you. But it was a great year, and
Speaker 1: and it was it was such I think back on that,
Speaker 1: and there's fans who always put like you and I
Speaker 1: the graphics up from our little feud, the tiny little feud,
Speaker 1: that it could have been so much more right. I
Speaker 1: remember you and I. They gave us a minute and
Speaker 1: a half maybe two at the most, right, And I
Speaker 1: remember you and I going over it right in front
Speaker 1: of Gorilla, and I remember Jr. Walking by and looking
Speaker 1: at us and good luck ladies, you know, and we
Speaker 1: just looked at each other like this is the shits,
Speaker 1: you know, like we knew how bad it was. They
Speaker 1: didn't let us do anything, and here was that here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it could have. We could have did so
Speaker 1: much more and they just I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: could it could have been bigger than it was. So
Speaker 1: what's interesting is like, Okay, when we were living it, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was kind of like all you and I can
Speaker 1: do is just crack jokes and you know, make fun
Speaker 1: of ourselves for being so unover with them. But like
Speaker 1: it's so cool now. Is something I didn't realize when
Speaker 1: I was living in it was how awesome we really were.
Speaker 1: Like I always knew that, like our feud would have
Speaker 1: been great. But when I see the footage and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I was so busy living that
Speaker 1: moment now that I can kind of like detached from wrestling,
Speaker 1: I guess you'd say personally, I watch it and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: this was like amazing, like I and it's a newer
Speaker 1: realization that I've had. I know that might sound weird
Speaker 1: to like the fans out there, but like to me,
Speaker 1: it was always like when I perform, Okay, I go
Speaker 1: and perform and I'm done. I'm not the type no
Speaker 1: offense that goes and watches myself back over to like whatever.
Speaker 1: I've never been that type and I'm not knocking it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that can learn. I probably
Speaker 1: could have too my mistakes that were consistent or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I was kind of like, I did that, moving forward,
Speaker 1: what's the next match? What are we doing next? So
Speaker 1: I was so in that mode when all that stuff
Speaker 1: was going on, especially when you're on the road, because
Speaker 1: it's like boom boom boom, boom, boom boom. Now that
Speaker 1: I can like appreciate it, it's like, holy cow, like
Speaker 1: we did a good job and when they gave us
Speaker 1: that tiny amount of time, like we really killed it.
Speaker 1: And there's some performers out there that are in wrestling
Speaker 1: that they couldn't pull that off, and I'm really proud
Speaker 1: that we were able to at least pull off with
Speaker 1: a little bit that we did. Do you remember standing
Speaker 1: in the back with Undertaker and giving him the spot
Speaker 1: that we wanted to do with the table and asking
Speaker 1: him for advice. Do you remember that undertakers walking by?
Speaker 1: Shelley and I are in the back and we're like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if we, uh we climb? We
Speaker 1: were like fight. We think I think we were supposed
Speaker 1: to have each other by the hair because you and
Speaker 1: I came up with this spot in the back and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, there's Undertaker. Let's let's pitch it to
Speaker 1: him and see what he says, like like he gave
Speaker 1: a ship. But he was very nice, very nice. Uh
Speaker 1: We Seane and I had each other by the hair
Speaker 1: and we go into the corner and we climb the
Speaker 1: ropes right and there's a table and both of us
Speaker 1: wanted to crash through the table together and we pitched yes,
Speaker 1: and we pitched it the Undertaker and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think that sounds great. I think you should tell somebody.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, well, we're telling you. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if we thought that he was gonna just help us,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. He just was like great, ladies, and
Speaker 1: he walked away. And then I think we might have
Speaker 1: told uh, I don't know, did we tell one of
Speaker 1: our agents or Johnny A's and they were like, you're
Speaker 1: not doing that. And we were like, pitch these things
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to hear it, nobody cares, nobody listens,
Speaker 1: and that was it. But Undertaker had a big smile,
Speaker 1: so we thought we really died. I remember that, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, did I dream that or did we
Speaker 1: really pitch this to uh mister uh mister Undertaker? And
Speaker 1: he just was like yeah, and then he walked away.
Speaker 1: But how cool would that spot have been if we
Speaker 1: were able to do that on our TV. They didn't
Speaker 1: want us to. They didn't care to appease whatever money
Speaker 1: making market we had, Like they didn't really care. And
Speaker 1: it's domb because if they cared just a teensy bit,
Speaker 1: we could have actually made them more money. You know. Oh,
Speaker 1: it blows my mind. I remember Mickey James coming over
Speaker 1: to me and catering, right, and she was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I heard that you and Shelley are doing something on
Speaker 1: TV this week. Finally, because you know, I was there
Speaker 1: forever and they never used me, and I would just
Speaker 1: sit there and catering and eat the food and collect
Speaker 1: my check and uh, and she was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see what you guys do. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a lot. They only gave us like
Speaker 1: two minutes. And I was sitting with her when she
Speaker 1: watched it, and her face was literally like this, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you could say it's the shits,
Speaker 1: It's okay, like you know, and she was so unimpressed,
Speaker 1: but she knows as a worker it wasn't us. But
Speaker 1: she was like her expectations were like were like it
Speaker 1: just went down, and she just had this look of
Speaker 1: disgust on her face and I just looked at her like,
Speaker 1: this is my life, not yours. You know. It's interesting
Speaker 1: because I feel most wrestlers in my career, when they
Speaker 1: see me in the ring make that face now when
Speaker 1: your badge is involved. It's so funny because now people
Speaker 1: life trained with people that I worked with on the indies,
Speaker 1: or people that been in shows of me and the indies,
Speaker 1: they see me go, so I don't need to explain
Speaker 1: myself whatever. So cause people want to say I suck,
Speaker 1: I get it because when I was both Ariel and Selenas,
Speaker 1: they didn't give me an opportunity to showcase any resting really,
Speaker 1: So I don't blame people for that, but it's so
Speaker 1: crazy because people who have trained with me and then
Speaker 1: like like for example, in wwe like some of us
Speaker 1: train together and then we get on TV eventually together,
Speaker 1: they kind of like would have this like jobbing me
Speaker 1: out kind of vibe like like I'm not that good
Speaker 1: and all this because I wasn't really doing anything. And
Speaker 1: it's like when a situation like that where we didn't
Speaker 1: have much we could even do, like we had that crowd,
Speaker 1: that crowd, we had them from the moment we came
Speaker 1: out to the moment we went back in, and that's
Speaker 1: what you do. It doesn't matter if you're doing a
Speaker 1: bunch of moves, it doesn't matter. What matters is connecting
Speaker 1: with the audience to make them feel like it's real.
Speaker 1: And we made everyone in that arena feel like that
Speaker 1: was real, and we were really pissed at each other.
Speaker 1: We're really going at it. And so it's just funny
Speaker 1: to me that people want to be like, oh, show
Speaker 1: these shit and it's like, okay, you're that. Mickey said
Speaker 1: that just no, no, no, it was just disappointment in
Speaker 1: her face, like her face just went from a smile
Speaker 1: to just discuss and I could see her as clear
Speaker 1: as they and I'm just like, I hope she doesn't
Speaker 1: think it's my fault because you're only as good as
Speaker 1: they want you to be. It's it's it's a proven fact.
Speaker 1: You can have all the talent in the world, but
Speaker 1: they can make you look like shit. Because I tell
Speaker 1: these I tell it to the fans all the time.
Speaker 1: You have to do what they tell you to do.
Speaker 1: I can't just walk out there and do fifty moves
Speaker 1: because I know how and get myself up. No, no,
Speaker 1: you have to listen to what the script calls for.
Speaker 1: And people can't understand that, and they blame the talent,
Speaker 1: but they should be blaming the writers, the producers, the
Speaker 1: people who are in charge. It's not the talent's fault.
Speaker 1: And people don't seem to realize that. So you're not
Speaker 1: the shits. Well, don't let them make you think that
Speaker 1: you are, because well, that's that's what I'm saying, is
Speaker 1: like these people my whole wrestling career, there's a group
Speaker 1: of people like in the business with us, you know,
Speaker 1: among us that they have this opinion of me like that,
Speaker 1: and I've never been one to be like try to
Speaker 1: prove them wrong, because then like when I'm in training
Speaker 1: with those same people, especially after they got a name
Speaker 1: for themselves, they're outside of the room, not doing drills
Speaker 1: with everybody because they think they're too over, Whereas me,
Speaker 1: I did it because I had a show to do
Speaker 1: that weekend. I want to make sure my footwork's good.
Speaker 1: That's why I train. I train so that I don't
Speaker 1: mess up in my matches and I'm crisp and I
Speaker 1: can be more present in my characters instead of being like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: and then what. So it's funny to me that these
Speaker 1: people want to have this opinion and that's why I
Speaker 1: say that have trained with me so they know and like,
Speaker 1: because I don't go and try to prove myself, they
Speaker 1: like continue to like what. And it's so funny because
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't need to prove myself to anybody.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm saving my body, so like whatever, Like, no,
Speaker 1: I've already done stupid stuff already with my body. I
Speaker 1: don't need it for you to be like, oh, Shelley
Speaker 1: is good. I remember I had a match and it
Speaker 1: was a really awesome match and it was with a
Speaker 1: girl who in real life I had a very ugly
Speaker 1: falling out with, and later I found out that they
Speaker 1: booked that match because they thought I was gonna beat
Speaker 1: her up. So I was like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: So it's already set up right well, her and I,
Speaker 1: she called me, owned up to everything, apologized, and we
Speaker 1: talked things out so we can have a good match
Speaker 1: and be civil Because prior to her screwing me over,
Speaker 1: I always thought I'd have an amazing match with her,
Speaker 1: so I always wanted to rescue her. So I thought
Speaker 1: it was really cool that I got that moment. And
Speaker 1: then we had this awesome match. And one of the
Speaker 1: people that booked me when I came to the back,
Speaker 1: instead of him being like damn, that was awesome, like
Speaker 1: the crowd was like all about it, he was like mad.
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, I could tell you've been training. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good. That was really good. And I never heard
Speaker 1: from that person ever again. It's so bizarre. It goes
Speaker 1: back to like I remember the first night that uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we were, but the first night
Speaker 1: that they put me with balls and we did the uh,
Speaker 1: the thing with with you and Kevin and we got
Speaker 1: all four of us were so over and Johnny Ace
Speaker 1: was so happy in the back. Do you remember that
Speaker 1: liked the arena? They were so loud. They were so
Speaker 1: loud throughout the whole thing. And it was the night
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna tell this story. It was the night
Speaker 1: that I was driving with Al Snow and I had
Speaker 1: parfaits for Do you remember this? I got two parfays
Speaker 1: from McDonald Gotta remember the story. Two parfays from McDonald's.
Speaker 1: We did a drive through and I didn't want a
Speaker 1: burger and I didn't want chicken. I said, I'll be healthy.
Speaker 1: I'll have two parfaes with a fruit parfe with like
Speaker 1: yogurt and granola and all this shit, right, And it
Speaker 1: was you and me and the boys out there, and
Speaker 1: I had I don't know if I was practicing the
Speaker 1: Luthez jump before TV or I did something. We did
Speaker 1: something together. But I was having bathroom problems because of
Speaker 1: all the granola and the yogurt. Do you remember this?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Shelley, if I run away, you'll know why.
Speaker 1: It was a house show. It wasn't TV. And I
Speaker 1: kept running to the back. We were in garrilla. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'll be right back, ran to the bathroom, but we
Speaker 1: went out there. I finally I calmed my stomach down
Speaker 1: and we went out there. The place was so freaking loud,
Speaker 1: and I remember coming to the back and thinking, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be great because we won't have to do
Speaker 1: the bikini bullshit anymore. We're gonna get to work. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to work together, which we were comfortable with
Speaker 1: each other, and I thought there was gonna be this big,
Speaker 1: long program and Johnny pulled me to the side, told
Speaker 1: me how over we all were, this, that and the other,
Speaker 1: and then they completely share on us. And I don't
Speaker 1: understand why companies do this. I don't get it now.
Speaker 1: I know Balls took drugs and ruined, ruined me and him,
Speaker 1: but I mean they could put me with someone else
Speaker 1: and they chose not to, So I mean it makes
Speaker 1: it made me think, am I that horrible a performer? Like?
Speaker 1: Did they not see something in me? That pause all
Speaker 1: in me? Like it's it's just it's a mind. It
Speaker 1: screws with your mind, it really doesn't. It makes you
Speaker 1: think that you're worthless, and that company is They're they're
Speaker 1: known for it, and it's a shame. The thing is is, like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I was so distracted behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: like when people were like, oh, like how I was
Speaker 1: always tell people I was too busy. Unfortunately, this makes
Speaker 1: me my vomit chasing unavailable guys that I wanted to
Speaker 1: be my boyfriend. So but the thing is is I'm
Speaker 1: kind of glad that I'm a Stage five clinger like
Speaker 1: that because Stage five, like I think me being distracted
Speaker 1: with chasing these guys I wanted to be my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: It kept me away from like the politics. I had
Speaker 1: no idea until like like towards the end. And then
Speaker 1: years after I left of like how like all these
Speaker 1: weird things that were going on behind the phone. Oh dude,
Speaker 1: I never politics. And I got in trouble for not
Speaker 1: politics and which which blows my mind. And then I
Speaker 1: was told rub oil on your chest and go knock
Speaker 1: on Vince McMahon's door and lean over with your boobs
Speaker 1: hanging out. One of the agents told me to do that.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that? Ball, I go, I'm not doing that,
Speaker 1: And I didn't do it, and probably that's that's probably
Speaker 1: why I got released. Probably that's what that's what went
Speaker 1: on there. And that's the thing is like I was
Speaker 1: so in my own world that I only knew these things,
Speaker 1: like I said towards the end, because I'll never have
Speaker 1: name names so people don't come for me. But people
Speaker 1: have confided in me the things that they've done, and
Speaker 1: they didn't feel good about it. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was because I was kind of like after
Speaker 1: you left, I kind of just kind of stayed to myself.
Speaker 1: You know. I was friendly like to everybody, but like
Speaker 1: stayed to myself. So I think that some people kind
Speaker 1: of noticed I didn't get involved in drama and stuff,
Speaker 1: so they confided in me, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what what this is going on? So my whole thing
Speaker 1: is I'm dying to know what was said about me
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like when you're like sitting at the
Speaker 1: table or on the phone call and they're like we're
Speaker 1: going to fire that area, like what was said? Like
Speaker 1: I think it's so like I want to know, not
Speaker 1: because it's like them, I think I would be. I
Speaker 1: think it's funny, like does Vince McMahon think I'm a
Speaker 1: dumb bitch? Like like I want hair? And then as
Speaker 1: time goes on, it's funny because then I'll find out.
Speaker 1: I'll talk to somebody and they'll be like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what happened, and I'm like, oh, now it
Speaker 1: makes sense. And it's so funny because there's people I've
Speaker 1: confronted like hey, I know you have an issue with me.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, And then life will go on
Speaker 1: and then people will fill in the blanks and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I think it's hilarious. So hey, anyone
Speaker 1: watching out there, you want to anonymously write me to
Speaker 1: tell me what was said. Please. There was some guy
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it bothers me I worked on
Speaker 1: the indie show, and he said that he was there
Speaker 1: the day that me and Batista got into it, and
Speaker 1: like he filled in some blanks. And this wasn't until
Speaker 1: like in the last like five years, two years or
Speaker 1: so that I found this out. So when he filled
Speaker 1: in some like blanks, I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: because to me, it was just like, Okay, this happened,
Speaker 1: and then this happened in this and then like I
Speaker 1: performed and then I came back and then whatever, and
Speaker 1: I got fired. So to hear like what happened in
Speaker 1: the guy's locker room and what was being said. I
Speaker 1: was like, ah, yeah, like being a fly on the wall, right, funny.
Speaker 1: It's just unfortunate there there. I always say, there was
Speaker 1: so much talent that has been misused that has walked
Speaker 1: through that door, and it's just it's not the talent
Speaker 1: at all, you know. And I ask you guys a question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry interrupt. Do you think it's still like that
Speaker 1: today or do you think it's evolved at all? Nope,
Speaker 1: I think it's exactly the same same thing. I kind
Speaker 1: of also think it's who you know, and and I
Speaker 1: still stand by you know, homegrown talent gets a better
Speaker 1: shot than somebody you know, I can. And I hate
Speaker 1: using this term superstar because I don't think of myself
Speaker 1: as a superstar at all, but being a superstar in
Speaker 1: air quotes in another company and then going there, and
Speaker 1: I tried to be as humble as I possibly. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was in catering, getting the girl's stuff from catering
Speaker 1: that were in the business for five years, and at
Speaker 1: that point I was in the business for thirteen years.
Speaker 1: I had more seniority than any other girl in that
Speaker 1: locker room. And I'm like, oh, would you like a cookie?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to catering. Would you like a bottle
Speaker 1: of wa? Just trying to fit in because I don't
Speaker 1: know these people, and I'm trying to make friends, especially
Speaker 1: because you know you had the wrong and SmackDown rosters
Speaker 1: with us at the time, you know, And so I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be friends with all these girls. And
Speaker 1: I think I came in with zero ego and I
Speaker 1: was still treated like like one guy told me, oh,
Speaker 1: you should try and join the Diva Search. I said,
Speaker 1: the Diva sarch Are you kidding me right now? Like what, well,
Speaker 1: you know they like the Diva Search. Girl, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm so First of all, I'm thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to join the friggin Diva Search. Like.
Speaker 1: It just pissed me. I was pissed. I was. I
Speaker 1: wasn't bitter, but I was just mad that I was
Speaker 1: stuck in a bikini, which I didn't do in my twenties.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in my mid thirties and they have us
Speaker 1: running around in bikinis, rolling all over the matt like idiots,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was the same thing
Speaker 1: every single weekend, and I just I hated going. I
Speaker 1: hate it. The only reason why I liked it was
Speaker 1: to see like you and to hang out with the girls,
Speaker 1: because we were starting to get like a little chummy
Speaker 1: except for one that we show, you know, we were
Speaker 1: starting to hang out and have a good time and
Speaker 1: and it just it's just a they screwed your mind
Speaker 1: and it made me sick to come to work sometimes
Speaker 1: when I got that phone call and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not need it this weekend, Like Howard would be
Speaker 1: scared to call me and he's like for eight scene.
Speaker 1: I'm like, please tell me I'm staying home this weekend
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you okay with that? I'm like, absolutely,
Speaker 1: just send me my check on Monday, because it was dreaming.
Speaker 1: It was draining getting on that airplane and doing four
Speaker 1: days and not being not being appreciated and not being used,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I remember Ted Dbassi walking in, Well
Speaker 1: you're not working tonight, but I'm sure you don't care.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, ew, like, what kind of attitude
Speaker 1: is not to get How do you know you don't
Speaker 1: even know me? I would just stand that guy. By
Speaker 1: the way, I just didn't throw that out there, But anyway,
Speaker 1: he wasn't very nice. I mean, I hate to say
Speaker 1: he wasn't nice to me. And I never did anything
Speaker 1: to him, but the stuff he would say to me,
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, really, sir, how do you know?
Speaker 1: I don't care, you know, as an asshole. I don't
Speaker 1: care he's an asshole. I don't like him. I'm just like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, just not not being given a fair shot today.
Speaker 1: I feel like, and even back then, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's who you know. If you're chummy, if you have
Speaker 1: an inn, if you have a previous relationship with someone,
Speaker 1: if you're a spouse. I think it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: to get a spot than if you are a name
Speaker 1: from somewhere else and you're established. And you know, I
Speaker 1: was lucky because they didn't change my name because it's
Speaker 1: my birth name, so I got to use my name
Speaker 1: that I was known for. But they could have gave
Speaker 1: me a shit. I could have been Gertrude for all
Speaker 1: I know and walked out. I mean, who cares. I
Speaker 1: just all I wanted to do was work, and they
Speaker 1: didn't let me. And I just feel like you and
Speaker 1: I could have had something really magical together and they
Speaker 1: just didn't let us do it. So it was just
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity. We'll never know. I think that's like
Speaker 1: when people like throughout the years have asked me, you know,
Speaker 1: a different interview or just conversations. What it boils down
Speaker 1: to for me is once I started to see how
Speaker 1: some people were getting ahead and it was on more
Speaker 1: on the shady side or whatever. To me, the way
Speaker 1: I looked at it was that's not my business. These
Speaker 1: are grown adults making their own choices. If that's what
Speaker 1: you choose to do, that's your deal. I'll look this way.
Speaker 1: And what annoyed me was I wasn't being someone that's
Speaker 1: trying to ruffle feathers. I wasn't somebody that was trying
Speaker 1: to start problems or trying to be a do gooder.
Speaker 1: I just kind of kept to myself, did my thing,
Speaker 1: and when I saw these things going down, I didn't
Speaker 1: even judge these people. It was just like, okay, that's
Speaker 1: how it is, all right, Or maybe somebody kind of
Speaker 1: rubbed me wrong and I found out like they're not
Speaker 1: maybe the best person. I would be like, okay, now
Speaker 1: that makes sense, cool whatever, Like I can move on
Speaker 1: from that. So I felt like it was almost like
Speaker 1: I got punished for not rolling going with the flow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like, at least I didn't make any troubles,
Speaker 1: like you you respectful, You just And the thing is
Speaker 1: is like when you say, oh, you ask these girls
Speaker 1: what they want, it's called just being a nice person.
Speaker 1: It's called being a thoughtful person, like who cares, like
Speaker 1: you know, And so it's like I kind of feel
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. Was like I could have
Speaker 1: made I could have been difficult, like these other girls
Speaker 1: are very difficult and drama. But but like I'm getting
Speaker 1: the job done. And the thing is, I made a
Speaker 1: tweet not too long ago, and I said something to
Speaker 1: the effect about how wwe never gave me any direction
Speaker 1: with my character. I just did it, and they saw
Speaker 1: I was doing a good job and let me go
Speaker 1: with it. And then I said, and it's something to
Speaker 1: the effect to wrestlers that remember, like you create, you know,
Speaker 1: bring life to your characters, not a company you And
Speaker 1: my whole point was when people get down in the
Speaker 1: dumps about getting fired, I feel like I've already gone
Speaker 1: through that process. So like I'm like many years like
Speaker 1: of going through all the feelings and emotions, and I
Speaker 1: didn't really see, especially because the Internet wasn't what it
Speaker 1: was is today. When I fed, there was no one
Speaker 1: out there talking that I could relate to because it
Speaker 1: was either people were totally trashing like WWE, or they're
Speaker 1: praising them. So it's like I didn't feel like anyone
Speaker 1: was like, man, this really sucks, Like I used to
Speaker 1: like disappointments whatever. So I try to like do that
Speaker 1: for the generation now. That's like my little do good
Speaker 1: or deed for wrestling paying forward is I wish I
Speaker 1: could have come across some video or a pose that
Speaker 1: someone that gets it. And it's so crazy because a
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, oh, well, not everyone gets
Speaker 1: that creative, and like that's not the point. The point
Speaker 1: is is that whether it's you and your creation before
Speaker 1: wwan was an ECW or how I came into my
Speaker 1: own as Aeriel and learned how to be in front
Speaker 1: of the audience like that, it's like we created these
Speaker 1: characters and brought them to life, and it sucks that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of versions of us that like didn't
Speaker 1: get that chance for whatever reason. But I think people
Speaker 1: need to remind themselves out there, especially the wrestlers of today.
Speaker 1: It's like you're still you, you you could still you're still
Speaker 1: that character. Like they just don't pay you anymore and
Speaker 1: that sucks you're not making that money. But like it
Speaker 1: makes me sad to see people literally like put all
Speaker 1: their self worth and if they're with specifically WWE or not,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh guy, I know, and it's not
Speaker 1: my business, but it just breaks my heart because we're
Speaker 1: all going to get old and one day you can't
Speaker 1: do wrestling anymore, you know, you know, see like they
Speaker 1: can't do wrestling anymore, and they're gonna sit there and
Speaker 1: be like, because WWE never hired me, I'm a failure
Speaker 1: and it's like so not true. It's yeah, And I
Speaker 1: always say when I got well, I said it after
Speaker 1: because it's like you said, the Internet wasn't what it
Speaker 1: was when we were there. But I always say, like,
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world when you get
Speaker 1: released by WWE, or if you never get to work
Speaker 1: for WWE. You become a wrestler because you're a fan.
Speaker 1: I always say, we're all marks, right, We're all marks.
Speaker 1: That's why we got into the business because we love
Speaker 1: the sport, we love the business, we love performing, and
Speaker 1: just because somebody did not see the potential that you
Speaker 1: have does not mean that you're not a good performer.
Speaker 1: I thrived inn E CW. I was the drizzling shits
Speaker 1: in WWE. It's not my fault. I did exactly what
Speaker 1: I was told to do, and I was held down
Speaker 1: by the man spot to speak. You know. I went
Speaker 1: in Johnny Ace's office and cried my eyes out and
Speaker 1: pitched and pitched and pitched. You can only pitch for
Speaker 1: so long, you know. And like you said, I had
Speaker 1: my integrity. I wasn't going to rub oil on my
Speaker 1: boobs and lower myself and go in there and you know,
Speaker 1: try to be like a sex object behind closed doors
Speaker 1: when it's not on camera. I had a hard enough
Speaker 1: time being sexy on camera, let alone trying to do
Speaker 1: it in real life to a man that I don't
Speaker 1: even know, that's you know, forty years older than me,
Speaker 1: married or whatever he is married, And that's not my gig.
Speaker 1: That wasn't I don't politic, I never had to, so
Speaker 1: for them to be mad at me for not politicking,
Speaker 1: I got in trouble for staying in the locker room
Speaker 1: too long. Yeah, you disappear, you stay in the locker room.
Speaker 1: You're reading a book, I said, while I'm staying out
Speaker 1: of people's way. Well, that's like watching paint dry, That's
Speaker 1: what I was told. I said, Well, what would you
Speaker 1: like me to do? What am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Do you want me to cause a problem? Start? Do
Speaker 1: you want me to mix it up with these you know,
Speaker 1: form a gang? Like do you what do you want
Speaker 1: me to do? Here? I had no idea what they
Speaker 1: wanted me to do behind the scenes, because I never
Speaker 1: had to do it before. You know, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can work, okay, here, try this, get yourself over.
Speaker 1: I did it worked. I worked for seven years before
Speaker 1: we went bankrupt. You know. Then I go to this
Speaker 1: other company, I try and work and they don't let me,
Speaker 1: and it's like I'm done, you know. And it does
Speaker 1: leave a bitter taste in your mouth. But I knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't me, you know. Just because he didn't see
Speaker 1: something in me doesn't mean I'm worthless. And and these
Speaker 1: other performers need to realize that's not the holy grail.
Speaker 1: You know. For some people it is their lifelong dream,
Speaker 1: but especially nowadays, they're so many other companies to work
Speaker 1: for and to thrive and if you never get on
Speaker 1: TV and you're doing indies and you're loving life, then
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. That's all that matters. Like and
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like the people who I feel are
Speaker 1: the most cutthroat that I've met, and through wrestling, I
Speaker 1: realize those aren't the kind of people I like to
Speaker 1: keep company with anything because they're taking it to I feel.
Speaker 1: I connect with people in the business that, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: they can get distracted with WWE here and there, but
Speaker 1: they do it because they love this business. They do
Speaker 1: it because they want to be in that ring, and
Speaker 1: they love the feeling it is to connect with that
Speaker 1: audience and to tell that damn story, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's an amazing feeling, you know, It's an amazing, undescribable feeling,
Speaker 1: especially when you got that audience right. So to me,
Speaker 1: these people who are like the butt heads I call them,
Speaker 1: they're like so driven by ego that they've like lost
Speaker 1: sight of and then that's where you see them get
Speaker 1: so down in the dumps when they get fired, and
Speaker 1: it's like, first of all, you know you're gonna try
Speaker 1: to go back, and you probably will, so like why
Speaker 1: are you crying about it and like s it's a
Speaker 1: bad example, and I feel like it makes people of
Speaker 1: the younger generations feel like, oh see, I have to
Speaker 1: because of Da Da And it's like, man, there's so
Speaker 1: many amazing companies. That's what I discovered my second time
Speaker 1: going back to the indies because I grew up in
Speaker 1: California and at that time, there wasn't much wrestling going
Speaker 1: on over here, like there was just a very It
Speaker 1: was hard. It was like, I mean, I had to
Speaker 1: get cast in an independent film about wrestling to find
Speaker 1: out how to be a wrestler, Like it just wasn't
Speaker 1: common knowledge like how it is in other parts of
Speaker 1: the country. So nowadays, more than ever, it's like, you
Speaker 1: know these amazing companies, Like I remember there's this company.
Speaker 1: Now I don't like the guy that runs it, I'll
Speaker 1: say that, But beyond wrestling, I remember when I went there,
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is amazing being chills right now.
Speaker 1: I didn't really do much there. I was like a valet,
Speaker 1: but I felt it and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: why I love wrestling, and I needed that. And then
Speaker 1: there's a company, Hodslam that I worked with for a
Speaker 1: while and it's like they made me like I felt
Speaker 1: like Beyond was kind of like the East Coast version
Speaker 1: of Hudslam a little bit, and I just got to
Speaker 1: be around these performers that just wanted to connect. So
Speaker 1: it's like, it makes me sad when people just think
Speaker 1: like they're all their worth is just like gone because
Speaker 1: they're not there. Or when I was in TNA, there'd
Speaker 1: be people that were killing it in TNA with their character,
Speaker 1: like killing it, but they still behind the scenes when
Speaker 1: I talked to them, they wanted that WWE it wasn't
Speaker 1: good enough, and it's like, look what you have right now.
Speaker 1: This is awesome, Like you have this. You might not
Speaker 1: have that there, you might not be able to do
Speaker 1: this there. But it's like my opinion, it's like this
Speaker 1: brainwash of you're not worth anything unless you're here, and
Speaker 1: I write that right, and that's why I try to
Speaker 1: just tell them that, don't let them make you feel
Speaker 1: that way, you know, Because Yeah, I was sad when
Speaker 1: when I got released, because I think I was more
Speaker 1: sad because I didn't know what my next step was
Speaker 1: going to be at that point, not so much I'm
Speaker 1: gone from the company, because I really wasn't happy there. Anyway.
Speaker 1: But I've said it time and time again. If I
Speaker 1: did not take that job, there, you and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be as close as we are now. So that's the
Speaker 1: one good thing that I got out of it. So
Speaker 1: happy about that. But tell everyone where they can find
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Speaker 1: slowly but surely. Uh. Long story short, Instagram deleted me
Speaker 1: without any questions asked, and I have like thirty four
Speaker 1: thousand followers. And for someone that hadn't been on TV
Speaker 1: for so long, I was proud that, like I put
Speaker 1: my time in and so it's like with like when
Speaker 1: I work with other companies and things like that. It
Speaker 1: just helps me people with my little side gigs. What's
Speaker 1: your hand? What's your new handle on? Because I follow
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Speaker 1: I'll use this picture, get my boobs in here, say
Speaker 1: big cheese. Cheese geez, I'd love to tweet that out.
Speaker 1: Love speaking with you and your points of view on
Speaker 1: things and mentioning your vagina once again. I always have
Speaker 1: to mention your vagina once per episode. Very disappointed, absolutely
Speaker 1: because I know you thought of me when you screamed
Speaker 1: it out to thank you for that. We will we
Speaker 1: will FaceTime soon to uh you know, pull each other
Speaker 1: in on private stuff. But until until we meet again,
Speaker 1: We'll have a wonderful weekend and we will talk very soon.
Speaker 1: All right, A bye baby, she's said. Cute, all right.
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Speaker 1: uh go get your shirt so cute. Look how cute?
Speaker 1: And green's my favorite color too. So I love this
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Speaker 1: of women's size, and it fits. It hugs the curves
Speaker 1: and it's cute. I like it. So I gotta get
Speaker 1: a vampire boy or whatever. She said. It was no,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's vampire girl. But she said the
Speaker 1: vampire girl vampire guy. I think that. Okay, Well then
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, why would you wear well that
Speaker 1: would be a little awkward, but it was it was
Speaker 1: a picture of Shelley on it. Then I can understand,
Speaker 1: but it was what was it? It was code for
Speaker 1: scene Frans scene. Okay, Shelley's what was it the boutique?
Speaker 1: What was the exact name? Ship? All right, we heard it.
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we get it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we'll tweet it. We'll try and tweet something out
Speaker 1: about it too. And the when we when we promote her,
Speaker 1: we'll tweet the code. Right, we'll find it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: send you the picture. You tweet out that picture and
Speaker 1: drop the code. You'll have a bigger reach than me. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll go. We'll do it when the episode drops. Sure,
Speaker 1: sounds you can, you can set that up. But anything
Speaker 1: else that we didn't get to discuss is everything. Everything's okay, none,
Speaker 1: everything's great. Snow, what are we doing on Patreon this week? Well,
Speaker 1: funny you should ask. We are going to do a
Speaker 1: on the on the spot prepared thank Goodness, rock and
Speaker 1: roll quiz with our buddy CJ. Okay, the CJ's a
Speaker 1: member of our Patreon page, has been since the launch.
Speaker 1: I believe, so an O G member, and we're going
Speaker 1: to see who's smarter in the field of rock and roll.
Speaker 1: That's right, and I'll tell you what too. Another thing
Speaker 1: is about joining the Patreon is you get the chance
Speaker 1: to come on like CJ. But CJ was in Discord
Speaker 1: with you, which is another perk of Patreon, and that's
Speaker 1: how that appearance came about. Yeah, Discord is is uh
Speaker 1: is a fun a fun time every week where we
Speaker 1: discuss things that uh no one else gets to see
Speaker 1: because they're not in the in the Discord group. So
Speaker 1: come on over and join the Patreon family and you
Speaker 1: get to have take fun quizzes. And we need to
Speaker 1: do a drinking game. Yes we do. We should do
Speaker 1: that when you come back from Florida, when I come back,
Speaker 1: good Lord, come back. Yeah, well we got because we
Speaker 1: have to do a lot of we can't if we
Speaker 1: record a lot in one setting, we can't have the
Speaker 1: drinking game. It's true, we have we have a we
Speaker 1: have a busy couple of weeks ahead of us. So
Speaker 1: what else we got that We're going to do some
Speaker 1: hilarious stories involving wrestlers. So you ask yourself what kind
Speaker 1: of hilarious stories? Well, I mean hilarious might be subjective.
Speaker 1: There's just like interesting stories that find themselves with a
Speaker 1: wrestling component. So such and such happened to said wrestler,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it. Okay, you don't see that happening,
Speaker 1: do you? And then the watch along Pitbull number two
Speaker 1: versus the Pittsburgh Street Team. No, this Pittsburgh Steel Team.
Speaker 1: Steel Team. I meant to say it's should be maybe
Speaker 1: it's a Steel Team. I keep saying street Team. It's well,
Speaker 1: it says steel on the copy and pasted. You can
Speaker 1: tell me either way. And I don't remember the segments.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. But we threw in a bonus too, so
Speaker 1: I won't say what that was. But there was an
Speaker 1: additional clip that we watched that we commented on as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's backs are fun. Like I said, I didn't
Speaker 1: remember this at all, and I still didn't remember we
Speaker 1: watched it. But it's a good time. Yeah, it's great.
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Speaker 1: It's like it kind of goes hand in hand. We
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Speaker 1: This is Instagram. Yeah, it's been a lot of time.
Speaker 1: This is Instagram DMS number two that we're doing. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is going to be on creative control a little
Speaker 1: bit later in the week, so you get a kind
Speaker 1: of like a fresh intro from Francine and I and
Speaker 1: then some classic content. But we will have a new
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be at the same the same time schedule
Speaker 1: as my New Generation show, just once a month. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna not do that show. I'm gonna do something different.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look back and this is so dorky and
Speaker 1: this is so nerdy, but this is the only thing
Speaker 1: that keeps me fresh as a fan. I'm going to
Speaker 1: go back and watch well discuss WWF's Colisey and video releases.
Speaker 1: That's what made me a fan. With the tapes you
Speaker 1: would go rent in the video store. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a look at the tapes, the business behind it
Speaker 1: people who are involved with it collectors. But that's gonna
Speaker 1: be one time a month on my regular feed that
Speaker 1: I have new generation declassified and I believe we have
Speaker 1: all of those on our Yes. No, it's very yes
Speaker 1: to help you there content wise, I mean I only
Speaker 1: have like five VHS physical tapes, but still I'm also
Speaker 1: going on somewhat of like a recollecting journey. So there's
Speaker 1: a there's a market for this discussion, and uh, I
Speaker 1: am one to exploit the market. And you don't have
Speaker 1: to justify why you do something. If you enjoy it
Speaker 1: it then by all means you do it, so you're ready.
Speaker 1: Good for you. It's either gonna be called the Colosseum
Speaker 1: Cast or Colosseum Chad. I just haven't figured it out.
Speaker 1: Colum Chad. Yeah, I just like the name of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought that was funny. Well
Speaker 1: by my initial reaction, what was the first one? Colosseum cast? Okay,
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