Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing
Speaker 1: in Heels. The show is all about celebrating extraordinary superwomen
Speaker 1: who will be sharing their incredible journeys to the top,
Speaker 1: all while staying glamorous. Other than fashion, beauty is a
Speaker 1: topic that I can get so many questions on, whether
Speaker 1: it's from social media or interviews or meeting people in
Speaker 1: real life. You guys definitely have questions about skincare and
Speaker 1: makeup and everything in between. Last week I asked you
Speaker 1: guys to submit your beauty questions for me to answer
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and here to help me is my
Speaker 1: amazing producer and have blood sister everything else, Mary Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: You all know her at this point. So let's see
Speaker 1: what you guys are needing to know and see if
Speaker 1: I can answer your questions. So let's do it. Well,
Speaker 1: let's just jump right into it, shall we yep?
Speaker 2: Okay, starting with skincare, which we all know, very very hot,
Speaker 2: popular topic, A lot of a lot of products out there,
Speaker 2: a lot of information out there about skincare, so we
Speaker 2: got this question multiple times. So I had to go first,
Speaker 2: what steps are in your everyday skincare routine? So what
Speaker 2: are you doing morning or night? But what are your
Speaker 2: must do steps?
Speaker 1: So it's a loaded question. It's a loaded question because
Speaker 1: I have realized over the last ten to fifteen years
Speaker 1: how much my son worshiping for my entire tween to
Speaker 1: twenty something life has damaged, you know, my skin, right.
Speaker 1: But I will also say that I've now lived in
Speaker 1: la for twenty years, which is one of the driest
Speaker 1: places to live in the United States for sure, and
Speaker 1: the amount of hydration that I can put on my
Speaker 1: skin throughout the day is it's almost it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: like I don't think.
Speaker 3: Their limit doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like when I'm in Florida, right, it's totally different.
Speaker 1: And so I would say to that that while I
Speaker 1: am here, I cannot live morning and night and sometimes
Speaker 1: throughout the day there is I literally open my eyes
Speaker 1: in the morning and I put pylanic serum on my
Speaker 1: face and maybe a vitamin C serum over that. I
Speaker 1: use Barbara Storm typically. Yes, that is very expensive. There
Speaker 1: are so many that are not Cora organics. I'm obsessed with.
Speaker 1: I use a beauty fora clean beauty. I use a
Speaker 1: lot of onest products, honest beauty as well. Which is
Speaker 1: very affordable, and I think you know to that, I
Speaker 1: would say I use a lot of serums without question.
Speaker 1: I use high serums, I use vitem C serrums, I
Speaker 1: use Nia Sinzerum B serrums, as many serums as I
Speaker 1: can put on. They actually work, They actually really I
Speaker 1: have found they really work. I then one of my
Speaker 1: favorite moisturizers that I'm now on my like tenth bottle
Speaker 1: of is You Beauty, her one particular product, and they're
Speaker 1: all amazing. The arm sculpt, the body sculpt of this
Speaker 1: that they're all amazing, the resurfacing compound, amazing, the You Beauty.
Speaker 1: I want to say it's called super Hydrator. It's one
Speaker 1: of the best moisturizers I've used, and that is because
Speaker 1: it genuinely feels like a shield. Yeah, and it keeps
Speaker 1: my skin hydrated all day. Yeah, And it gives you
Speaker 1: that kind of like doiness and it just really works.
Speaker 1: And I love it. I really do love it, and
Speaker 1: I really would swear by it because I've now tried
Speaker 1: a million different hydrators. Moist stretches is absolutely one of
Speaker 1: my favorite, especially for day. And then I also love SHAWNE.
Speaker 1: Darden's products are amazingly effecting. Yeah, they really work, hurt,
Speaker 1: they really really work. And again this is what I'll
Speaker 1: say about beauty. There are a lot of products that
Speaker 1: cost a lot of money, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of products that are not worth the money, and a
Speaker 1: lot of products that you need very very little to apply,
Speaker 1: literally like a dime, and that investment will last a
Speaker 1: long time. Now, everyone has their budget of what they
Speaker 1: can spend within recent but I would say some products
Speaker 1: are worth it and some are not. But I would
Speaker 1: also say that there are so many that are you
Speaker 1: can buy in drug stores and things like that that
Speaker 1: are affordable, that are incredible. And I also want to
Speaker 1: say that there are cheap products we can get into
Speaker 1: that later, not cheat, but like ones that I use
Speaker 1: on my children, that I use on myself, that like ourselves,
Speaker 1: that are like incredible that you can put everywhere. So
Speaker 1: we can get into that.
Speaker 2: And when are you cleansing your skin, because, like like
Speaker 2: you said, being in California, it's so dry here I was.
Speaker 2: I was cleansing morning and night, and finally I was like,
Speaker 2: my skin can't handle this being stripped twice, so I
Speaker 2: only cleanse in the evening and then like sort of
Speaker 2: water wash in the morning because it's too drying for me.
Speaker 1: And even when I use a cleanser, so it would
Speaker 1: be at night, and even when I do that, it's
Speaker 1: light and it's a hydrating cleanser. I use a cleanser
Speaker 1: like an enzyme cleanser from Barber stm or I use
Speaker 1: a cleanser from Core Organic. It's my favorite. One is
Speaker 1: the Tumeric. There's a trot Act finger cleanser. I have
Speaker 1: a lighter one, one that's just for face, and then
Speaker 1: one that works almost like a mask, and I use
Speaker 1: it in the shower every single time I shower because
Speaker 1: it's very gentle and it's like you can leave it
Speaker 1: on while you wash your hair and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: love that product. I really do, as it pertains to
Speaker 1: clean beauty in general, beauty products, especially for face. I
Speaker 1: really love Cora Organics. I love it. I'm so impressed
Speaker 1: with how it works, honestly, But I do cleanse mostly
Speaker 1: at night, not during the day, because then I use
Speaker 1: an even heavier like sometimes I'll put like a there's
Speaker 1: a Kora night mask that you can sleep in, yes,
Speaker 1: because you can get away with things while you're sleeping
Speaker 1: that you can't put on during the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, too heavy, too too heavy. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fresh makes a really good overnight mask that's good for
Speaker 2: like tightening, and it feels really good. But again, you
Speaker 2: can't put that on in the morning and then hold
Speaker 2: makeup over it. You're just gonna look like the makeup
Speaker 2: slatting off your face.
Speaker 1: I'm also going to say something that's a big beauty
Speaker 1: no no, but I really stand by it because I'm
Speaker 1: always in a hurry. I use makeup wipes as a
Speaker 1: cheat all the time. I do, and I'll just use
Speaker 1: ones that are hydrating and not stripping. And to be honest,
Speaker 1: my favorite makeup wipes are Honest wipes, the pink I
Speaker 1: think they're pink. The makeup remover wipes. I use them
Speaker 1: like crazy. They're super gentle. I even use them on
Speaker 1: my kids. Yeah, because I always have to remove things
Speaker 1: off their faces, so I use those a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are great too. Okay.
Speaker 2: We had a lot of listeners ask about under eyebags,
Speaker 2: lots of different questions about that.
Speaker 3: The age old, the age old. What do you do
Speaker 3: to reduce the appearance of under eyebags?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so I've been I've been blessed
Speaker 1: in my family. I will say this. My sister got
Speaker 1: it worse than me. She genetically has my dads which
Speaker 1: are like huffy yeah, and mine are not. They're there,
Speaker 1: but it's it's different. I can cover mine, they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not polarizing under my eyes, right, So I think
Speaker 1: some of it is genetics and really hard to completely
Speaker 1: make disappear.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have learned that over the years because I've many
Speaker 1: friends that you know and listen, I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: very honest. I think at a certain age and I
Speaker 1: and I have not done it, but I will do
Speaker 1: it at some point. Products can't help, right, Like I
Speaker 1: think you There's only so much products can do, right.
Speaker 1: There are some incredible depuffing products. There are things that
Speaker 1: can help under ie I swear and live by under
Speaker 1: eye masks. I love them. I love the Wander Beauty
Speaker 1: ones I think are incredible. I love the one one
Speaker 1: One's skin everything, the one one one skin face masks,
Speaker 1: especially the black diamond line on believable, and the imask.
Speaker 1: I will not do an appearance without using imasks. I
Speaker 1: will not because they actually really do help. In terms
Speaker 1: of covering under eye bags. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: you can do it is an art form and you
Speaker 1: honestly should watch YouTube or TikTok and watch the makeup
Speaker 1: experts do it because there is an art to it.
Speaker 1: Ones that we as civilians not make, our artists cannot
Speaker 1: fully do. But I think the ones that all of
Speaker 1: us that have little ones. The trick is you want
Speaker 1: to use a concealer that certainly has coverage, right, like
Speaker 1: a medium at least. I will definitely say that stick coverage.
Speaker 1: Stick covers, while thick, and I would recommend using them
Speaker 1: with an I cream, really work better. They don't slip
Speaker 1: right off right. More liquid ones are for younger people
Speaker 1: that don't need so much coverage because they're thinner, you know.
Speaker 1: But I love the sh Charlotte Tillbury one. I love
Speaker 1: the makeup by Mario Ones. The key is to use
Speaker 1: ones that may have a little bit of orange or
Speaker 1: a little bit of peach, a little bit of red. Right.
Speaker 1: So there are makeup artists that will literally put pigment
Speaker 1: if you have very dark circles.
Speaker 4: Right, counter act color correct the color correct, and then
Speaker 4: apply a lighter one shade lighter, at least one shade
Speaker 4: lighter than your foundation.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: That is the key that I've learned is to not
Speaker 1: use the same don't match your concealer to your foundation, right.
Speaker 3: It should be it should be a shade lighter.
Speaker 1: It should be a shade lighter. Yeah, yes, And you
Speaker 1: don't want that under eye thing that is super dry
Speaker 1: and cracky, because that's so gross. So you want to
Speaker 1: always have it be like a hydrating under eye, and
Speaker 1: then you can always put a little translucent powder over
Speaker 1: it to set it. But it's definitely one of the
Speaker 1: tricks that I've learned from up artists over the years,
Speaker 1: because that was a huge thing. I was trying to
Speaker 1: match my kids with my foundation because that's what one
Speaker 1: would think, right, Yeah, of course, yeah, but no skin
Speaker 1: is doing your skin is I have to tell you
Speaker 1: it's an art form. It really is. As you get older,
Speaker 1: if you're someone listen, there's also people that barely wear makeup, right.
Speaker 1: I have friends that are the same age as me
Speaker 1: that were maybe they wear a concealer, maybe they wear
Speaker 1: the lightest foundation. I'm someone that loves makeup, so I
Speaker 1: like the contour, I like the skin different dimension and
Speaker 1: I like that. So yeah, it just is an art form.
Speaker 3: It truly is. But I would.
Speaker 1: Recommend, honestly watching the experts on your eye because it's
Speaker 1: complex in that you have to know your skin colors
Speaker 1: right and your tones and your colors because for the
Speaker 1: longest time I didn't know what my skin tone was.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm olive. But meanwhile, I so much yellow,
Speaker 1: so that makes different color to correct under like black
Speaker 1: and blue.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like a color consultation is like.
Speaker 1: It is a first I recommend that I really do
Speaker 1: recomment and now you can actually do it online and
Speaker 1: you can also do it like on Sephora and Alta
Speaker 1: and some of the like better like cosmetic brands will
Speaker 1: literally scan you and tell you and.
Speaker 2: It should avoid and what you should do is, yeah,
Speaker 2: do do you ever do I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: seen you do this, so maybe you don't, but maybe
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you ever do the ice rolling to deep puff
Speaker 2: or to like help with bags?
Speaker 1: Yes, but the answer is no because I hate the shock.
Speaker 1: But I will say this, I from the age of
Speaker 1: probably thirteen, I would before school put metal spoons in
Speaker 1: the freezer on ice and hold metal spoons on my
Speaker 1: eyes because I always puffy eyes. You know this. I
Speaker 1: have super sensitive eyes, so I don't get big black circles,
Speaker 1: but I do get very puffy eyes. I'm allergic to feathers,
Speaker 1: weird pillows. Like, yeah, you know, so I've been a
Speaker 1: deep puffer for.
Speaker 3: You're a depuffer. I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so the cold spoons are an amazing quick fix.
Speaker 1: And then when the whole cucumber thing came out, I
Speaker 1: tried that too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the cucumber thing.
Speaker 1: Cold cold alo leaves also, I love that. Very small,
Speaker 1: it's very but I think those are really good tricks
Speaker 1: to know at home that like, you don't need money
Speaker 1: to do these things, like my hollow plant, you know,
Speaker 1: and just take some leaves and like, yeah, I'm the cucumbers.
Speaker 1: Cold cucumbers Like that really does work. It's sometimes people
Speaker 1: will say, like tea bags work so fixes. I love them.
Speaker 1: I love that at home homeopathic one. Yeah, cold really
Speaker 1: does work.
Speaker 2: Yeah if you yeah again, but if you don't like
Speaker 2: the shock might not be.
Speaker 1: Really I don't love the cold roller. I'm you will
Speaker 1: never find me doing a cold plunge. I'm here to
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think there's enough money to pay you
Speaker 2: to get you to do a cold plunge.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, I'm the coldest personalize that is the world.
Speaker 1: And I watch people do it. My whole body quivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a thing, it's a trend, it's a thing.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 2: Okay, next question, what do you find effective for helping
Speaker 2: with volume loss in your face and in your neck?
Speaker 1: Well, let's see. I'm going to say people listen. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am here to say do the natural thing. As
Speaker 1: long as you can go the product route, use the rollers.
Speaker 1: I will say my Lima laser has changed my life.
Speaker 1: I am here to say that the Lima laser is
Speaker 1: one of the things that I have seen to be
Speaker 1: the the most effective thing you could ever do at home.
Speaker 1: It is incredibly expensive, so I'm not here to say
Speaker 1: it's affordable, but I am here to say that if
Speaker 1: you're spending so much money on crazy products that cost
Speaker 1: almost one thousand dollars or like at home.
Speaker 2: Things, crazy treatments, crazy treatments that you're going to these
Speaker 2: facials are getting so expensive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that the Lima laser is incredibly helpful.
Speaker 1: It stimulates your collagen. If you use it even five
Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes per day while you're on calls, before
Speaker 1: you go to sleep, it's incredible. But yeah, and so
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say, there are the most incredible topical
Speaker 1: things that you can do for volume loss. They have
Speaker 1: developed the most incredible laser treatments and micro micro needling
Speaker 1: like Certunza and god it's called like ALTHEA or oh
Speaker 1: my god, there's so many like that has that are
Speaker 1: non invasive.
Speaker 2: It's not Alma lasers all my I want to see
Speaker 2: one of those.
Speaker 3: That's really great too.
Speaker 1: And they're incredible, but I will say they're they're not inexpensive.
Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say, Do everything topical, right, Do
Speaker 1: the micro needling, do the lasering, the portenza, because it
Speaker 1: helps the quality of your skin. It literally tricks yourselves
Speaker 1: to regenerate and rebuild and rebuild collagen. So like these
Speaker 1: these developments are unbelievable to avoid having to do injectibles right,
Speaker 1: but it also at a certain point, botox and different
Speaker 1: fillers and the like are really game changing. When they work,
Speaker 1: they work. Yeah, they you know what I will say
Speaker 1: to that, though, you know, let's and it's a very
Speaker 1: long beauty episode that I would get into about my
Speaker 1: feelings about it, because I don't I am against doing
Speaker 1: these things at a very young age.
Speaker 3: Yes I am.
Speaker 1: I'm here to say if I had a daughter that
Speaker 1: was that was asking me to do sorts of fillers
Speaker 1: and treatments in her teens, I would be very upset.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's a different conversation you and I sitting here
Speaker 2: talking about any sort of injectable because we are of
Speaker 2: an age where that makes sense for our skin, and
Speaker 2: so I totally get what you're saying. We're not advocating
Speaker 2: for young women or men to be doing this at all.
Speaker 2: We want now, Yes, you should enjoy your youth and
Speaker 2: your elastic skin and your.
Speaker 1: And your natural ologen and ologen yees.
Speaker 2: And so there's options for volume loss. You just got
Speaker 2: to figure out what's right for you and what you
Speaker 2: know makes sense.
Speaker 1: I would say that if you're young, like, there's so
Speaker 1: much available now to start doing to nurture and keep
Speaker 1: your collagen levels, like your collagen strong, right right, I
Speaker 1: think that like twenty years ago, twenty five years ago,
Speaker 1: like we didn't there's really drinking collagen powders, and now
Speaker 1: you know all of these things that are so good
Speaker 1: for not just your skin, but your whole body and yourselves.
Speaker 1: So you know, I would say do as much as
Speaker 1: you can. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a good segue because the next question
Speaker 2: we got several times was what body lotion or serum
Speaker 2: do you.
Speaker 3: Like to use.
Speaker 1: I am very as I said, like, there are a
Speaker 1: handful of brands that I use on face and body
Speaker 1: because they do do both, like Barberstorm, like Shawnie Darden,
Speaker 1: like You Beauty. I love the super Body Hydrator and
Speaker 1: arm sculpt by You Beauty. I love Honest Body. I
Speaker 1: loved Honest body cream and body oils. I love Core Organics.
Speaker 1: I use the body scrub in the shower. I use
Speaker 1: the body oil. I love One One One Skin has
Speaker 1: this incredible pink. The bottles pink. I'm seeing it in
Speaker 1: my head of the body oil. I love those. I
Speaker 1: love body oil. I use body oil. I use body
Speaker 1: scrubs and body oils more than I use body creams
Speaker 1: and lotions. And that goes back to our cold thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: And what's really funny about that is I have been putting,
Speaker 1: as my sister says, lotions and potions on my children
Speaker 1: since the day they were born. Yes, and as you know, Mary,
Speaker 1: there for a lot of that. They would come out
Speaker 1: of the shower and I would literally drench them head
Speaker 1: to toe and Colendula Arnica Egyptian magic, like I could
Speaker 1: not think of the name.
Speaker 3: It was magic magic.
Speaker 2: That's an incredible product for moms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's by the way, I use Egyptian magic now,
Speaker 1: Like it's just this incredible magical solve that works on
Speaker 1: everything everywhere, phased, dry patch, roseatia, dermatitis, like anything, very
Speaker 1: gentle any. Also, colendula is a magical ingredient. The California
Speaker 1: Baby Colendula also healed everything on my boy's skin. Right,
Speaker 1: I would say now that Skylar battles, you know, exima
Speaker 1: flares here and there. He's outgrown it for the most part,
Speaker 1: but he is really sensitive skin. Right, But so I
Speaker 1: would say that that's the kind of stuff is on
Speaker 1: my body and we use in our whole family. Is
Speaker 1: like Egyptian magics and very clean body oils and Sierra
Speaker 1: they're the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that. Good takeaway. Okay, let's move to makeup.
Speaker 2: You actually already answered the first question, I think, unless
Speaker 2: there's another one, but it said, what's the best makeup
Speaker 2: trick a renowned makeup artist has taught you, which would
Speaker 2: probably be the concealer trick? But is there anything else
Speaker 2: that you've learned.
Speaker 3: From like.
Speaker 1: Contour? Okay, contour is like who taught you that was it?
Speaker 1: Like Charlotte Tilbury, Charlotte Listen. Charlotte Tilbury was the original
Speaker 1: teacher for me for everything because she did all of
Speaker 1: my fashion shows for most of the time that I
Speaker 1: was doing fashion shows, and she did it. And then
Speaker 1: Kate Lee is another makeup artist that I've worked with
Speaker 1: so much over the years. Gillian Dempsey. A lot of
Speaker 1: makeup artists that I've had the privilege of working with
Speaker 1: for so many years taught me, you know, tricks of
Speaker 1: the trade. Ashley who does my makeup, who just went
Speaker 1: and had a baby less and Emma Willis here in
Speaker 1: La have taught me the every day, the everyday woman's
Speaker 1: trick to contouring and that has changed my life.
Speaker 3: Oh, I would love to hear that.
Speaker 1: I would also say that one of my absolute favorite
Speaker 1: contour Contour brands that I've gotten that I also have
Speaker 1: not mentioned, but now that we're talking about makeup, I
Speaker 1: love Victoria Beckham's makeup. I love her Contour. I'm now
Speaker 1: only a fifth one and it's a stick, which is
Speaker 1: why I like it. It looks like it would be
Speaker 1: a thin lipstick, right, So it's just a roll up.
Speaker 1: It's easy, and I like it because you can be
Speaker 1: precise with it. I have other ones that I love,
Speaker 1: but they're much thicker. And I actually like this one
Speaker 1: because you can do two lines on your nose. You
Speaker 1: can do the line around your face. You literally draw
Speaker 1: on your face like a crayon. You like a crayon,
Speaker 1: and it's like a chocolate brown crayon. And I put
Speaker 1: two lines, one on my each side of my nose,
Speaker 1: blended out round the line of my forehead, blend it
Speaker 1: up into my hair in the right under my cheek bones.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And my kids love when I do it. They think
Speaker 1: it's the funniest thing when they see me do it
Speaker 1: because I literally drawl over my face and then around
Speaker 1: your jawline and then you blend it, and you blend
Speaker 1: it like super easy, so it doesn't look super contoured,
Speaker 1: but it immediately like shadows in places that you want
Speaker 1: it to.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So that would definitely be my best makeup.
Speaker 2: And I love that, you know, just like the Queen
Speaker 2: of all Everything, Charlotte Tilbury taught you that catual.
Speaker 1: I mean, she really is the Queen. I mean, she lives,
Speaker 1: she what.
Speaker 3: She and she's a character.
Speaker 1: She's so much energy, it's so funny. It's the Queen Bubbly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a legend.
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on, what are some of your favorite eyeliners?
Speaker 1: Right now? I would say, oh my god, I did
Speaker 1: not you know why, because we're just talking about makeup now,
Speaker 1: How did I not talk about this? I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: rare beauty, Selena. I love Selena Gomez's line and again
Speaker 1: a clean beauty line. And I'm just gonna say it
Speaker 1: here now. I am the first one that's skeptical about
Speaker 1: clean beauty in terms of makeup and sort of how
Speaker 1: it's one thing with skincare. Makeup is a different thing. Makeup.
Speaker 1: For me, the beginning eras of clean beauty were not
Speaker 1: effective in terms of makeup. They just didn't stay on,
Speaker 1: they didn't apply as well, and they expired really quickly.
Speaker 1: So I would say in terms of makeup, my tried
Speaker 1: and true favorites that are in my makeup bag are
Speaker 1: literally good us men. Wesmin Attilie also another brilliant makeup artist,
Speaker 1: and hers is clean. Her foundation sticks are game changing.
Speaker 1: Her products are incredible. I love Merit to Beauty also
Speaker 1: has an amazing contour, bronzing kind of stick that I
Speaker 1: love that I love. I love Merit eyebrowgel, yeah so good.
Speaker 1: I love Merit mascara. I love rare beauty eyeliner. I
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, my tense rare beauty, what liquid eyeliner?
Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say, what shade do you like?
Speaker 2: Because okay, I now in my thirties, have maybe mid
Speaker 2: to late thirties, you know, maybe later than mid. I
Speaker 2: notice that when I do a black like a like
Speaker 2: a true black.
Speaker 1: Eyeliner, I go, emmy, oh my god, you look so major.
Speaker 3: But I always feel like I look older.
Speaker 1: Than when I use like a brown, brown one.
Speaker 3: More neutral tonal color.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what is your takeaway from black? Okay, it's black.
Speaker 1: To me, I'm like, oh my god, it's my mother.
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 1: Black is intense. Black is intense. I think to answer
Speaker 1: that black is great for night when you want more
Speaker 1: of an eye and you're going to be in darker lighting. Sure,
Speaker 1: brown and every shade of brown. I have every shade
Speaker 1: of Victoria Bacam eyeliner. They go on like frosting they're
Speaker 1: literally like velvet.
Speaker 3: Beautiful colors too.
Speaker 1: The colors are gorgeous, they smudge really well. I love
Speaker 1: her shades of brown. I wear them every day. I
Speaker 1: love Mario's makeup by Mario. It's what's Mario beauty Maria,
Speaker 1: It's makeup by Maria. I use his eyeliners. I love them.
Speaker 1: And again, I think for day and everyday life, browns
Speaker 1: are great, and I think even if you're not comfortable
Speaker 1: with black, then do just a deeper chocolate brown and
Speaker 1: smudge it out at night. But I love eyeliner. It's
Speaker 1: part of my five minute routine. I love it. I
Speaker 1: think it's because I have like yellow green eyes, and
Speaker 1: I think I was taught when I was young, like honey,
Speaker 1: you have to wear liner, like it just pulls out
Speaker 1: the yellow, right. I don't know, So I just I
Speaker 1: just feel naked without eyeliner and mascara. So it's right.
Speaker 1: But on the natural day you smudge it, it's not
Speaker 1: as severe, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love a liquid liner, but again,
Speaker 2: it's like that would be for nighttime, because if I
Speaker 2: were during the day, I feel like I'm wearing a
Speaker 2: mask of my mom, but a brown eyeliner is is
Speaker 2: hard like a brown liquid.
Speaker 1: I would say, is more tricky, Like I would say, yeah.
Speaker 3: They're power, They're like a cream powder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would do. I don't know again, like Merit
Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham eyeliner, so good, so good, but I've got
Speaker 1: to try. I'm obsessed with I'm obsessed with it. I
Speaker 1: really am rare beauty. I mean those are like tried
Speaker 1: and true right now, I'm obsessed. The one last thing
Speaker 1: I would say to just touch on Charlotte Tillbury, her
Speaker 1: color chameleon. I want to say, they're called the sticks.
Speaker 3: I love those things.
Speaker 1: The black diamond or the amber haze, or the emeralds
Speaker 1: green like the emerald whatever, smoky courts. They're all amazing.
Speaker 1: And those are like all in one. Her makeup is expensive.
Speaker 1: But what I would say to that is it's an
Speaker 1: all in one so you can use it as a liner,
Speaker 1: you can smudge it and use it as a shadow.
Speaker 1: So I like things that are multi functional, oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they I feel my Charlotte is six will
Speaker 2: last me a long time. Like it's it's a good,
Speaker 2: you know, cost per use situation, because because it just
Speaker 2: a little goes a long way and you can use
Speaker 2: it for a very, very long time, which is one
Speaker 2: of the reasons.
Speaker 3: I love her stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking about liners, do you use liip liner or
Speaker 2: just lipstick? And is it still a thing for us
Speaker 2: to be overlining our lips?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, don't over line? Well, that depends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never successfully overlined my lips. I look like
Speaker 2: an absolute clown. I've never successfully been able.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 1: But I've been fortunate in my life to have full lips.
Speaker 1: My mother gave them to me.
Speaker 3: Yes, you do.
Speaker 1: I have full lips. So I am not someone who
Speaker 1: loves to overdraw. I will draw to even out because
Speaker 1: everyone has one side that's like lower, so I will
Speaker 1: draw to to to even it out. But also you
Speaker 1: can go a little under to just even so I'm
Speaker 1: okay with like a millimeter, But don't underline it because
Speaker 1: that's not good either, right, so you have to go
Speaker 1: a little outside the line. Okay, you do. But again,
Speaker 1: these are great things to watch like an expert do
Speaker 1: on YouTube or TikTok or Instagram because all of the
Speaker 1: best makeup artists like Mary Phillips and Hang vong Go
Speaker 1: and Gucci Westman and Telbrady, they do these tutorials day
Speaker 1: in and day out on social so it's so easy
Speaker 1: to see how to do it properly, because not done properly,
Speaker 1: it's no way now. So what I would say to
Speaker 1: that is I do wear lipliner, and I wear it
Speaker 1: because I think it stays on better.
Speaker 3: When I line it.
Speaker 1: In the nineties, I only wore lipliner in the early
Speaker 1: two thousand, I probably only wore lipliner with like a
Speaker 1: little lip bomb over it. And I will say this,
Speaker 1: it never came off. I never had to reapply throughout
Speaker 1: the night. So there are and now that nineties makeup
Speaker 1: is back, like people are literally doing that again, right,
Speaker 1: the browns are coming back, the brownliplaning. I can't bear
Speaker 1: a Matte lip a Matt anything. I will not do Matt.
Speaker 1: I don't care if the nineties are back. I was
Speaker 1: there the first time, so I don't have to do
Speaker 1: it now. I don't do Matt. I think Matt at
Speaker 1: a certain age makes you look older because your skin
Speaker 1: looks so dry. I like fresh, dewy skin. I like
Speaker 1: a little bit of achine. I like a little bit
Speaker 1: of a highlight on the cheek. I won't leave home
Speaker 1: without it. I even care what the trends are. So
Speaker 1: my approach in general to makeup is the same as
Speaker 1: it is to clothing. You have to do what works
Speaker 1: for you. You cannot be a victim of trend with makeup.
Speaker 1: You take the trend and you apply it to your
Speaker 1: life and your skin and your age and what works
Speaker 1: best for you. I will always have hydrated skin. Dry
Speaker 1: skin makes you look older. It just does. And I'm
Speaker 1: here to say that. I'm not an expert, but I'm
Speaker 1: here to say that. So makeup gets stuck in the
Speaker 1: cracks and your lips are cracked and everything else. So
Speaker 1: I apply serums throughout the day. I apply hydrating products
Speaker 1: on top of my makeup. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: allowed to do that, but I do it.
Speaker 3: You do it, you break all the beauty rules I do.
Speaker 1: But I would say this, I have found what looks
Speaker 1: more natural on me is when I have flying my
Speaker 1: lip color, which is always a hydrated lip color, usually
Speaker 1: a like a wine plum berry of sorts, and then
Speaker 1: I'll actually apply the liner afterwards. That's interesting. It looks
Speaker 1: better for me to just add more pigment and kind
Speaker 1: of just.
Speaker 2: Where you're unevel, almost like trap it it's like you're
Speaker 2: wrapping it, right.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like I'm stealing it and shaping it.
Speaker 3: Okay, clever. I like that tip.
Speaker 2: I'm going to try that, okay. Moving to hair, A
Speaker 2: lot of hair questions for you. My personal favorite one
Speaker 2: would be, would you ever dye your hair another color?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, the blonde. I am blonde for life. I also
Speaker 1: go various shades of blonde, brightness, slighter, like sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: look back. I just look back at a picture from
Speaker 1: August and I was like, Jesus, I should never be
Speaker 1: that blonde. I've looked at pictures when.
Speaker 2: Your skin gets a little more tan too. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: always say I go very like full Cogan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In the summer, it's not great. I gotta yeah, I'll
Speaker 2: back the blonde.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I like to be warmer when I'm tanner,
Speaker 1: but no, I won't. My kids are dying for me
Speaker 1: to be brunette because they want me to match them.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's so funny. They want to like,
Speaker 1: they want me to match them.
Speaker 2: But if you are listening and you're curious about what
Speaker 2: Rachel looks like with darker hair, just scroll back on
Speaker 2: her Instagram and you'll see some of the throwback photos
Speaker 2: she's done, and she's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: In her I look like Kaius. You look just like Pious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're you're twins.
Speaker 2: Another question that was a favorite of mine was do
Speaker 2: you ever style your hair back or off of your face?
Speaker 1: The answer is no, I haven't for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I think I have to start to like negotiate
Speaker 1: that with myself.
Speaker 3: Because it's so chic when you do.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, it's like you know, And
Speaker 1: I've talked about this a lot. I think my hair
Speaker 1: is emotional for me. It's like a psychological thing. It's
Speaker 1: it's a security blanket, it's a curtain, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a comfort. It's easy. I don't cut it.
Speaker 1: I barely style it. Yeah, I watched it twice a week.
Speaker 1: It's just part of my like being. And so I
Speaker 1: think wearing it up would almost feel like I was
Speaker 1: walking into a ballroom with no clothes on. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I have to sort of work through that, I
Speaker 1: think at some point. So I think the last picture
Speaker 1: I saw of me up with my hair up was pregnant,
Speaker 1: like the Golden globes.
Speaker 3: You had like a was it like a high pony? Like?
Speaker 1: People will post it when we post this episode.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna get We're gonna give the people what
Speaker 2: they want. Dark hair and pulled back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll pull some photos. So fine.
Speaker 3: Rachel's not a fan of half up, half down. I will.
Speaker 1: I know it's very sixth grade to me.
Speaker 2: Oh got it, got it. One other question, we got
Speaker 2: quite a lot. My hair is very very.
Speaker 1: Dry, and I'm wondering what kind of leave in treatments
Speaker 1: you like to use. There are so many good ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say. What I'm completely obsessed with right now
Speaker 1: is K eighteen. K eighteen is basically it's a product
Speaker 1: that came out within the last like two to three years,
Speaker 1: I want to say, but now they've expanded the line
Speaker 1: and it starts with a leave in treatment mask that
Speaker 1: you put on and you literally don't rint it out,
Speaker 1: but it's literally like it's like a bio cellular scientific
Speaker 1: thing that like it's very very healing for your hair,
Speaker 1: and it's it really is effective. It's called K eighteen,
Speaker 1: and I love it. There are some Oliplex products that
Speaker 1: I have found to be very effective as well. But
Speaker 1: Katine is definitely what I've been really using religiously over
Speaker 1: the last like since the summer I started using it.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And since we talked about clean beauty just in
Speaker 2: skincare and make up, what are your favorite clean beauty
Speaker 2: hair products?
Speaker 1: For Kai? I love?
Speaker 3: I really still amazing too.
Speaker 1: It smells amazing. And I also, like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: known Frederick Fakai for many, many years, and when he
Speaker 1: launched his clean Vegan line of hair products, he was
Speaker 1: so passionate. He worked so long on it, and I
Speaker 1: remember the first time I tried it, and I have
Speaker 1: to say, like, I love all the shampoos and conditioners.
Speaker 1: I love the leaven hair treatments. It is so so
Speaker 1: good and it smells so good and it works, It
Speaker 1: really really works. He's got lines for color. I really
Speaker 1: really love it. I use it religiously. And what's great
Speaker 1: is like my kids use all of these products, so
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to hair and skin and body, Like,
Speaker 1: I love the fact that what's in my shower they
Speaker 1: can use, like you know, because they use my shower
Speaker 1: a lot, So it's nice that I ended up like, wait,
Speaker 1: I got to get kid products in there.
Speaker 3: And like I don't use that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's been that's been amazing.
Speaker 3: Okay, I love that.
Speaker 5: And we got a lot of questions about the beauty
Speaker 5: products or the pharmacies in Paris. So if you had
Speaker 5: to do a supermarket sweep, you've got like a minute
Speaker 5: to grab products from like a French beauty supply or pharmacy.
Speaker 3: What are you grabbing?
Speaker 1: God? Oh my god, there's so many good ones. Claudalali
Speaker 1: uh huh, rock Roc Yep, been around forever, my's favorite
Speaker 1: lip bomb. She makes me bring ten of them back
Speaker 1: every time I go. Now you can get them here,
Speaker 1: Claude Depot anything yep, and every amazing products. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: probably so many I'm not thinking of. I just French
Speaker 1: pharmacy and in just hours I stand there. I know hours.
Speaker 3: It's like a wonderland.
Speaker 1: It is if French pharmacies are a wonderland. There is
Speaker 1: a new product. I actually posted it on my social
Speaker 1: over the weekend. It's this incredible solve. It's calledte likeet
Speaker 1: bo bo you and j like eut, but it's like
Speaker 1: bouget or something. Anyway, it comes in a little pot okay,
Speaker 1: and it's like almost it's a solid, but you can
Speaker 1: make it almost a little more liquidy. And it's literally
Speaker 1: works like a French, totally clean Egyptian magic. It's a
Speaker 1: solve love that your lips, your face, your elbows, anywhere
Speaker 1: that needs hydration, and I love it and it's French
Speaker 1: and it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I mean everything.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, thank you so much Rachel for answering all
Speaker 2: of these beauty questions.
Speaker 5: Guys, stay out of the Yes, we're are your SPF guys.
Speaker 1: But here's what I'll say, enjoy your life. I like
Speaker 1: a little real sun, just with some block lett raised
Speaker 1: in let, the vitamin d N.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, all right, everybody, protect your skin. We'll talk
Speaker 3: to you guys soon.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, that was so much fun. I could
Speaker 1: talk about beauty for days and days and days. So
Speaker 1: if you like this beauty talk, let us know because
Speaker 1: I'll just keep doing them because there's never things that
Speaker 1: we run out of talking about when it comes to beauty.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for asking all these amazing questions.
Speaker 1: I promised to answer more on our next one. And
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