1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. What a big podcast we have 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: coming up. As I'm a little nervous because you had 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: a very I will still want to say life altering 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: conversation with a Bachelor alum a week and a half ago. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't here last week, but you briefly brought it up. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: You had a little bit of a Twitter war with 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: Ashley Spivy. I think it's fair to say life altering. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: I feel it feels life altering. It hasn't left my 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: mind since it's happened, in both good and bad ways. Yeah, 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: I think you're spot on. Okay, Well, if people don't know, 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: Ashley Spivy was on Bradwallmack season, which is the first 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: season I started watching. And while she hasn't been like 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: a big you know, she didn't make a big splash 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: on her season, she's certainly made a big splash on Twitter. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Over the past couple of years. She's worked hand in 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: hand with reality Steve Lot and is broken a lot 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: of stories in Bachelor Nation, including the whole Garrit controversy 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: and his like instagrams, and now she has tweeted at 20 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: you something I want to say it's kind of political. Um, 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: it's something about well, well, Ben, why don't you explain 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: what she went after you last week? It's it's pretty 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: holistic actually, as we as we think about it. So 24 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: last week there there's just a lot right now, and 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if in today's age, I 26 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: think we can throw around words and we can get 27 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: stuck in things and say, oh this in today's age, 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: were more divisive than ever, not only in religion but 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: politics and faith and friend groups whatever. It just feels 30 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of divisiveness, and I think at 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: some level that is true. But we've always had divisiveness, 32 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: right you go back to the Civil War, there's been 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: divisiveness that the country was against each other. And so 34 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: what I can control are are it's kind of what 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: I believe is the solution to this divisiveness. And so 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: I was laying in bed on let's see here. I 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: think it was Saturday morning because I was also leg 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: in bed when I saw these tweets. Yeah, it was 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: ten eleven, two thousand eighteen, and I tweeted the only 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: thing I know, and I think anybody out there listening, 41 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: my understand where I'm coming from on this, but as 42 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: a Christian, I believe that Christianity has been uh terribly 43 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: represented in recent years. I believe that we no longer 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: are focusing on how to accept love and support people 45 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: and serve people well. But instead, somehow evangelicals have been 46 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: associated with pushing people aside, hating on people, um, bigotry, 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and and supporting almost injustice. It's weird to me, but 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I know Jesus wouldn't stand for it. And so I 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: was sitting in bed. I was like, w how do 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: I as a Christian confront the darkness and the divisiveness 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: that feels like it's existing in our world today? And 52 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: I did this. Sweet It says, we all believe a 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: bunch of different things, referring pretty much to my faith 54 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: in my background, and we all have our incredibly valid reasons. 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: Were that? But then I said, no matter what you believe, 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: can we all agree that light conquers darkness? And I said, 57 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: darkness equals hate, bigotry, and justice, inequality, etcetera. Those things 58 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: will never conquer the light. And I believe this. I 59 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: still believe this to this day. I believe that the 60 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: only way to confront evil and to really solve the 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: most evil questions that we have in the world today 62 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: is by sharing light, by shedding light, by showing love, 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: by showing kindness, by sacrificing almost everything for the sake 64 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: of service and love. So so yeah, I mean I 65 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: read that and I was like, Oh, that's a nice 66 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: little message of hope. You know, it's a nice today. Yeah, 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter, best I can do on Twitter. And I 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: believe this, But not everyone thought that statement was as 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: simple as I did. Not everybody did. Ashley Spyby was 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: one of those. She tweeted back and she said this. 71 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: I cannot quote her, uh quote verbatim because it has deleted, 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: but it said, um, it referred to me coming from 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: a place of white privilege, and I can't help where 74 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: I came from. I can't hope that I'm white. I 75 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: can't help that my dad has done very well for himself, 76 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: and I'm really proud of him for that, and I 77 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: can't help that A lot of these situations that I'm 78 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: talking about, I don't understand. But what I do know 79 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: is my job is to support people in Honduras and 80 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: in Africa and here in the United States who have 81 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: been um a part of injustices who have had less 82 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: opportunities than I have. My my job is to try 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: and find ways to relate to their situations so that 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: we can come up with sustainable solutions to help their 85 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: lives increase get to a better place. And so I 86 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: don't think I was the right target for this. There's 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: not a lot of things I would say I do well. 88 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: One of those things is that one of the things 89 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: in life I do do well is at least attempting 90 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: to understand people who maybe aren't as fortunate as I 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: have been. Um, do think I do that? All right? 92 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: That's what I do. You can't do. I think you 93 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: do a fantastic job with it. You and Ashley actually 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: got on the phone after a couple back and forth 95 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: messages on Twitter, and while you have talked before, we're 96 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: also going to have her come on the podcast today 97 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: and you're gonna talk it out a little bit more 98 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: and explain to people what you guys have learned about 99 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: each other. Well your spot on Ashley and I. You know, 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: we have talked, uh mostly about the tweets and about 101 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: the situation, but we've saved a lot for this podcast. 102 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to actionable steps when it 103 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: comes to ways for me to be able to get involved, 104 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: for anybody out there listening to get involved. For really 105 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: the details of where this comes comes from from for 106 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: Ashley's and from from Ashley is the things we haven't 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: talked about yet. We really wanted to save it to 108 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: speak publicly. 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You're you're killing it there. 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: Um I meant it though, I feel like nowadays and 197 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: and this is no longer about blue Apron, it kind 198 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: of yes, everything you eat that you think is good 199 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: for you is actually bad for you at some level. 200 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: Like bols I was in getting an e bowl this morning, 201 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: somebody in line go I was like, Oh, I just 202 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: need some something healthy. They had really want to just 203 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: this could be an angry post watering a little bit. 204 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: They looked at me and they said, you realize this 205 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: has more sugar than pop And I was like, you 206 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: gotta be joking me, Like I literally came all the way. 207 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: I drove ten minutes to Dinna say ebol because I 208 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: was trying to look healthy, feel healthy, be healthy, and 209 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: you're going to ruin this for me. Little person who's 210 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: standing in front of me. He's really gonna make me 211 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: angry before podcast, um, because I don't know if anything 212 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: is healthy anymore. I know Blue nothing is like healthy Analyst. 213 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: You're eating Rob Rockley, you know there's something wrong with everything. 214 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: But but Blue Apron is going to really try your 215 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: best to make something tasty and healthy I know. Anyways, 216 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: we're about to get deep now. Ashley Spivey is about 217 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: to come on, and I just want to let you 218 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: know that at the end of this podcast, we're also 219 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: going to be talking about the disappearance of Wills Wills. 220 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: That's right, not Wells Wills. And then um, we're gonna 221 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: have Tanner Tolberg come on to talk about how he's 222 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: officiating the wedding and some of you out there, yeah, 223 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: some if you were mad at me because I had 224 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: once upon a time said something like Ben was going 225 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: to officiate, but now Tanners. We're gonna talk about that later, 226 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: but first up, we're gonna talk to Ashley Spivy. Ashley, 227 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: are you out there? I am Ashley Spivey. Thank you 228 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: for joining the Almost Famous podcast. Of course, thanks for 229 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: having me. Actually, my co host, Ashley Eddie is sitting 230 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: in studio as well. UM, we were really are thrilled 231 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: to have you. You've had a ton of responses this 232 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: week since kind of announcing that you and I would 233 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: be talking on this podcast. Uh, this week, I've already 234 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: introduced who you are, how people know you, and then 235 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: also the situation at hand. So I think it's best 236 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: if we just dive into this. UM. I really want 237 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: to hear when you read my tweet what kind of 238 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: set you off, And I want you to be as 239 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: open and honest. You and I have talked this through, UM, 240 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: but I want you to be as open as honest 241 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: as possible, because I think the fans and the listeners 242 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: of this really kind of needed to relate with your 243 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: emotions and why you decided to tweet me. UM, for sure, 244 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: And first of all, I just want to say, uh, 245 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: thank you for having me on after uh what did happen? 246 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: On Twitter? I I do hope that me talking about 247 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: it at least start providing some background, what kind of 248 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: help people know where my head was at when I 249 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: read your tweet. I had just come out a particularly 250 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: ros three weeks with the kabinetic hearings and everything like that. 251 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: It was very triggering to me as a sexual assault survivor. UM. 252 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if y'all have ever heard me talk 253 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: about it or read me talk about it, I'll be 254 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: talking about it. But I am in college kind of 255 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: experienced something similar to dr Ford. I went to the 256 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: College of my dreams. UM, I was drunk at a 257 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: fraternity event and raped. UM. I you know, I don't 258 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: remember anything that happened, UM luckily, but I do know 259 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: that it happened due to some witnesses account and the 260 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: way I felt the next day. UM. I'm pretty sure 261 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: anyone out there who has been right to tell you 262 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't we know the next day. UM. So how 263 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: to explain this why my feelings on the matter, UM 264 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: are definitely impacted by the situation that I went through. UM. 265 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: Going to that school, I had a full scholarship. I 266 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: was very excited to go there for the next four 267 00:14:55,520 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: years of my life. After that, I went robbed that 268 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: experience because I no longer felt face at that environment. UM, 269 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: I became very sick. I became very depressed. I decided 270 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: to leave that school. UM due to everything that happened. 271 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: He was my dad was also an alumni of that 272 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: college as well. He became pretty upset at me due 273 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: to me leaving because I think, you know, I was 274 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: kind of continuing continuing on UM in his dreams, you know, 275 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: but I decided to leave the school. He became pretty 276 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: upset at me. I felt like I could never tell 277 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: him kind of what happened, just because I wasn't ready 278 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: to tell anyone at that point and I didn't want 279 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: him to know what had happened to me. And probably 280 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: about a year and a half later, he passed away 281 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: with me being able sorry, I'm trying to you're right, 282 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: without me being able to tell him why I left, 283 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: and UM, he was always this very upset and confused 284 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: I think about me leaving. I'm so sorry, and I 285 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: I don't even want you to think I'm telling you 286 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: this story for sympathy, but I want people to know that, UM, 287 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: when women were going through the the past months, just 288 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: with everything that's been going on, it's been triggering. And 289 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: when I saw you talk about light and darkness, UM, 290 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: I just I find it hard two look for the 291 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: light in this type of situation. UM, And with everything 292 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: that went on, it just seems like the darkness is 293 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: consuming UM. And I think when I'm angry, or when 294 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: anyone is angry, they do not pick their words out. 295 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: And I think that I did cross a couple of 296 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: lines and the things that I said. UM. I don't 297 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: apologize for my anger, but I apologize for the way 298 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: that I worded things, and I apologize for my misdirected grade. UM. 299 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: But I just hope that and sharing that with y'all 300 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: you understand where I'm coming from. And and also and 301 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: sharing my story, which I think is important to do 302 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: in that learnation, just because a large majority of the 303 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: audience as women, women under thirties, who are the the 304 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: people that are experiencing the most UM situations of sexual assault. 305 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: I think it's important to share these stories and for 306 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: our audience to know that there are outlies out there 307 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: for them, and there are people who they can talk to. 308 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: UM if they have experienced kind of a similar situation, 309 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: you know this is and we again, we we talked 310 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: about the background everything, and you know, Ashley did something 311 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: incredible after these tweets kind of blew up and she 312 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: sent me uh an Instagram message and just asked if 313 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: we could talk in the phone because at that point 314 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: it gotten out of control and I was being compared 315 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: to people that I hope to never be compared with 316 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: and associated with people that I hope to never be 317 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: associated with. And I think at that point, actually you 318 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: had seen that and thought I thought this was something 319 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: that we need to talk about, um together and so 320 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: and so we talked on the phone and all I 321 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: all I really want to do is here where actually 322 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: was coming from similar to what just happened there, UM 323 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: to hear her story and she wanted to hear mine. 324 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: And and what we realize is we both actually has 325 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: been a victim. And I have somebody that's one of 326 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: the closest people in my lives who is also a 327 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: victim of sexual assault and rape and it has affected 328 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: her life for a really long time. And and and 329 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: it's an odd scenario when somebody doesn't feel like there's 330 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: a place to talk about it. Um, it carries a burden, 331 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: that is something that allows um some asshole to control 332 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: you for too long. And so talking to Ashley, we 333 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: realize we're on the same team, and that's why I 334 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: wanted to have her on this podcast this year. She's angry, 335 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: she's piste off, and yes, it came towards me, and 336 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: I'm not happy with her about that. She knows that, 337 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: but it's allowed us the it's allowed us now the 338 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: platform to speak about it. Uh. And so I wanted 339 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: actually to come on here and have a platform because 340 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: almost famous listeners you are. You're incredible listeners. Uh. You 341 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: you have really strong opinions. UM. You engage in our 342 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: conversations every time, no matter we're talking about the Bachelor 343 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: or we're talking about something that's actually really serious. And 344 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: so actually I want to now spend time now that 345 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: we're both in the same team. You realize that I'm 346 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: really unhappy that I was associated to anything happening in 347 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: this world, but I'm also really glad now we have 348 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: the platform to talk about it. I want to spend 349 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: some time just asking asking you a few questions. Uh, 350 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: for anybody out there listening to this podcast saying Hey, 351 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: I've been there also, UM, I can relate. I want 352 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: to just have you take some time to be their advocate. 353 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: So Ashley, based on your situation, him, what advice do 354 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: you give to any young person out there struggling as 355 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: a victim of sexual assault? My My first piece of 356 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: advice was would be to talk to someone, whether it's 357 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: a friend, a family member, a therapist. UM, you don't 358 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: have to be in this situation alone, and you don't 359 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: have anything to be ashamed of. It isn't no way 360 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: your fault what happened to you. UM. The sooner you 361 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: try to deal with the issues that are going to 362 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: arise from this traumatic event, UM, the easier it will 363 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: be too kill from this trauma. UM. You definitely don't 364 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: have to stuffer alone. UM. I know that sometimes it 365 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: can be hard to tell friends or family members Like 366 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I still haven't, um necessarily even had a 367 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: conversation with my mom about it. UM, just because even 368 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: at this point it seems just too hard. But I 369 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: have been able to speak with a therapist for years. 370 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: I have been able to talk to my friends of 371 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: my husband is very very supportive. UM, so definitely talk 372 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: about it. It helps. We're going to at the end 373 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: of this little segment, Ashley Uh and I have UM 374 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: we want to focus some attention on a couple of 375 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: the organizations out there that you can talk to. We've 376 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: picked those out and I'll explain does it a little 377 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: bit but but to continue to kind of dive into 378 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: this a little bit, actually we've you know, my tweet, 379 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: as mentioned before, was focused on being the light in 380 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: a dark world and trying to shine a light in 381 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: some dark places. I do still strongly believe that that 382 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: is the only way to overcome um evil is with 383 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: good and with light. And I know that you have 384 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: some more tangible you know, because I think one of 385 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: ther biggest complaints to me, and I get it, was 386 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: that they're very big, fluffy words. I was starring around, 387 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: right that can that just seem like they're coming from 388 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: a place of um of not heard of, not understanding, 389 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: of unrelatability. And I think once we talk, you realize 390 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: that maybe could uh not personally relate, but I know 391 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: somebody very close to me that can um And so 392 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: those words were not light. You know, they have a 393 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: meaning behind them, and I want to hear from you, 394 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: what are some ways when you say heal from this situation, 395 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: what are some ways that you've been pointed or that's 396 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: helped you heal from something so traumatic. I think by 397 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: just trying to educate everyone around you on the statistics 398 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: of how often these events occur, um, and how you 399 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: can be a better ally to people who have been 400 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: in these types of situations. I think that was the 401 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: thing that would the hardest to deal with in the 402 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: past couple of weeks is seeing how people respond to 403 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: a survivor's story or a victims story, um by not 404 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: believing them and by making some false parallels um. I. 405 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: I just really feel like the more education we get 406 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: out there, and the more we talk about this subject, 407 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and the more we tie to be empathetic and just listen. Um. 408 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: You don't automatically have to arrive at a conclusion by 409 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 1: listening to a survivor's story. Just being there for that 410 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: person to, you know, tell you their story is going 411 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: to make all the difference in the world. And I 412 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: think that's a big thing behind the whole Believe women 413 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: or Believe survivors is that is we want to be 414 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: able to tell our stories without fear of being told 415 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: that we're making a false accusation or not being believed. 416 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: What do you what are the some of the things 417 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: as you see this, and you've stud pretty deep into 418 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: um this being your mission and your your passion and 419 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: kind of your purpose, what are some of the reasons 420 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: that you see on why people aren't believing the victims? 421 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: What's what's the communication? Where is the communication missing? I 422 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: think that a lot of people get exposed to scare 423 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: tactics or misinformation. UM. There was a lot going around 424 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: about I forget what even the hashtag was, but it 425 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: was like not my son or something like that. UM. 426 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: And when you look at these statistics of false accusations, 427 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: they're very low, between like two and ten percent. And 428 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: even that amount of debt data isn't accurate just because UM, 429 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: the police stations or the people reporting these numbers aren't 430 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: using the same type of UH data that whenever they're 431 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: looking at these UM. So I think the best thing 432 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: to do is to volunteer with organizations that do help 433 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: women through these types of situations, or to read up 434 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: on any type of literature you can consume that deals 435 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: with this type of subject. The more we expose ourselves 436 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: to these situations and listening to people's stories, the better 437 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: we can serve them. I think you're spot on. And 438 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: one of the things I've learned from this is and 439 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: actually again has been quick to tell me, there's a 440 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: lot of things I don't understand. Um, as somebody that's 441 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: not a victim myself, there's a lot of things I 442 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: don't understand, and I have to admit that. Right, so 443 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: somebody actually it's out there that doesn't understand but knows 444 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: it's wrong, that maybe has been around somebody that's closely 445 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: been affected bisexual assault. Uh, what can I do? How 446 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: can I help? How can I relate? Um? How can 447 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: I make sure that when I do send a message 448 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: out there to say, hey, let's all be better, that 449 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't come from a place of of not understanding 450 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: or unrelatability, but it comes from a place of for 451 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: people like yourself to say, there's there's an ally, he's 452 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: on my team, he's part of the good ones. I 453 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: actually think your first statement was kind of the first 454 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: step in all of that. Um. I think it's wonderful 455 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: to hear a guy's day that he doesn't understand and 456 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 1: he'll never know what that feels like, but he wants 457 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: to Ry. I really do feel like that's the first step. 458 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: I think that we all have to step out of 459 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: our our gituations of not knowing how things go and 460 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: wanting to immediately just or form an opinion and just saying, 461 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't get this, please tell me 462 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: more about it. That really is the first step. Um, 463 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: I think you've already kind of had experience with this, 464 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: but just listening to their story and wanting to help 465 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: them kiel through the trauma, I think that's all you 466 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: can do. The there's obviously a thousand things here actually 467 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: in this interview that I mean, we could talk about 468 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: for hours, and um, there's there's some big lessons learned. 469 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: I think through our scenario and and this Twitter exchange 470 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: and how both of us were unable to fully comprehend 471 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: each other's stories just by using Twitter. Something we talked 472 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 1: about all the time on this podcast is the beauty 473 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: the pros to social media, but also the cons for 474 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: sure for you in in this kind of Twitter exchange 475 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: with me and I don't just want to make this 476 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: about me, because you know you and I have seen 477 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: hopefully that we are on the same team. What are 478 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: some of the lessons that you've learned and how you 479 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: approach these situations from a distance. I think that in 480 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: terms of this situation, I've learned that I I don't 481 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: always have to be so aggressive. Um. I'm definitely someone 482 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: who has never been scared to bring an uncomfortable element 483 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: into my conversation, just because I do feel like a 484 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of times change does come from getting uncomfortable and 485 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: really digging in deep. But I knew that I could 486 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: be a little more aggressive than I said be um, 487 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: and for us to really have of these types of 488 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: conversations where people can learn a lot and can heal 489 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: a lot. Uh, My, my rhetoric isn't always as useful 490 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: as it could be, UM, if I'm just so aggressive 491 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: out the gate. So I'm definitely going to work on that. UM. 492 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: I I do want to be able to be as 493 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: optimistic as you. UM. So that's something that I'm definitely 494 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: taking from. Here's my conversation. Are many conversations that we've 495 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: had Trent fists. UM. So, I mean, thank you at 496 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: least for inspiring me to try to be better at 497 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: that well, and and you know, we can pat each 498 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: other back here because I want to thank you. And 499 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: that's the final question before I let Ashley, because I 500 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: know she probably has some stuff that she's holding onto 501 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: that she wants to ask you. And I know our 502 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: our producer hasn't maybe a couple of questions as well, 503 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: and I want to open up the form to that. 504 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: I also want to take this second to say that 505 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: anybody out they're listening. UM, if you have any questions, 506 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: if you need someone to talk to you, if you 507 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: need somebody really relate with, please email us at Ben 508 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: and Ashley. iHeart Meadia dot com. UM. I think we 509 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: love to take it in your emails and your stories. Also, 510 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the pot into the segment, I'm 511 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: gonna be pointing you to an organization that has a 512 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: hotline you can call to talk to somebody. UM. Please 513 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: listen to that. But actually, as I was saying, you know, 514 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: I do seem to be um optimistic and my hope 515 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: for humanity, but you also challenge me with a statement 516 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: that said, Ben, you have a platform, speak on something, UM, 517 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: directly stand for something and and don't throw big fluffy 518 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: words around, and that that is a charge I want 519 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: to take as well. It's hard on social media, but 520 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: I want to do that. And so I want to 521 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: pass that also over to you to say, what is 522 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: your hope for Bachelor Nation. We have a lot of 523 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: Bachelor fans listening. Bachelor Nation gets a massive following. There's 524 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: a ton of responsibility with this following. Millions of people 525 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: follows each year. What is your hope for the people 526 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: that come off the show, that participate in the show, 527 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: that have been on the show? Um, what do you 528 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: hope they use their platforms for? Actually, I do think 529 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: that people and batination tend to shy away from I 530 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: don't even want to say political statements or kind of 531 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: posting about politics, just because I think that they do 532 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: have a lot of fear of losing followers or in 533 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: some way that would affect their sponsorships or something like that. 534 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: But I do think that you know, pretty much everyone 535 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: is against rapes. I think that is something that we 536 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: all can sign a light on. Uh, say that there 537 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: are resources for anyone who has been through sexual assault 538 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: or sexual abuse. Um, I is that that was highlighted 539 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: more over the past couple of weeks. Um. You don't 540 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: have to say that you're a Democrat or Republican, or 541 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: a conservative or a liberal or anything like that. You 542 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: can encourage more people to vote. You can use your 543 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: platform for good in a way that doesn't just include 544 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: how many followers we're going to gain or lose or 545 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: prevent us from getting a sponsorship. Do you guys think 546 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: that social media is a difficult place to have conversations 547 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: like this because so much is misconstrued. I think that's 548 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: one of my you know, in looking at your tweets 549 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: and looking at the things that have happened on social media, 550 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: it's a very hard place to really get into discussions 551 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: like this, and they seem to go sideway. They're always 552 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: hostile when they're done on social media. And what I 553 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: wanted to say was just sitting back and listening to 554 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: you guys talk. It's so incredible the difference between how 555 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: calm and sensitive everyone is when they're actually talking, but 556 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: when they're either texting or they're on Twitter, it just 557 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: comes across in a completely different way because so much 558 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: can get lost in the written word, but when you 559 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: have tone and you're talking like this, it just comes 560 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: across completely differently, and something's actually done, you know, you 561 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: feel like something's been accomplished at the end of the conversation, 562 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: not just fighting. So I just wanted to tell you 563 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: guys how awesome it was just listening to you talk 564 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: that out and I wanted to hear what you guys 565 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: think about that. Yeah, I mean, I will definitely say 566 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: I think I am very politically active on Twitter or Instagram. UM, 567 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: I don't have the followings that y'all have, so I 568 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: do try to have this conversation mostly because I can 569 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: respond to all of them. I don't know if you 570 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: all necessarily can, just because I mean, you have millions 571 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: of followeris or hundreds of thousands of followers. I don't 572 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: have anywhere close to that number. So I do try 573 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: to do the most with my tiny platform, just because 574 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of people that followed 575 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: me UM like to have those conversations. Like I said, 576 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,919 Speaker 1: I do think a lot of things can get misconstrued 577 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and if I'm lucky enough like I was, within, 578 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: we can continue those conversations and hopefully that's But as 579 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: about you UM to these types of interactions, Actually, actually 580 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to switch gears a little bit and actually 581 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: talk about your presence online because for somebody who hasn't 582 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: been on a bachelor show for it hasn't been almost 583 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: eight years now you actually have quite a presence online. Um, 584 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: how have you gotten so involved and known? I know 585 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: you've worked a little bit with Reality Steve, but it 586 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: does seem like you've sort of become a bachelor investigative journalists. Um. 587 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: You know that that investigative journalist stuff just happened by chance. Um. 588 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got this role. Um, but 589 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: I will say one thing that I think I have 590 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: always tried to do in that's when I said, kind 591 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: of be like a truth teller. So after my season, 592 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: I started a a recap blog kind of where I 593 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: would kind of like lift the veil behind things that 594 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: were going on, kind of things that people weren't necessarily seeing, 595 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: or clue people in on like that you can get 596 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: a bad edit or things like that. Because that didn't 597 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: exist back when I was on the show. That's true. 598 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: Did you call out production and stuff and did they 599 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: come after you? Well, they hired me actually to do 600 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: it for ABC dot Com. Um, I mean it was 601 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: so different back then. Uh. And then kind of what 602 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: happened is that I found out there was a male 603 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: task member who was doing a recap that was much 604 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: shorter in mind mind, I'm not kidding. Probably took like 605 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: twelve hours where I was basically like, make a name 606 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: out of all these pictures, um, and he was getting 607 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: paid double what I was getting paid to write them, 608 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: so I stopped. Um, it's fine because it does. It 609 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: took up so much of my time anyway. UM. And 610 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: then yeah, I've just I've tried to speak out on 611 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: things I didn't love whenever Caitlin was but same during 612 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: her season. I was very vocal about that. I I 613 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: hated the racism that Rachel had to um injure. So 614 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask Ashley Spivey sort of a tough question, 615 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: and I and I have mixed feelings on it because 616 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 1: I can't see all the tweets, But you same, especially 617 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: in this conversation, like you're really open to hearing another perspective, 618 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: another side. And we got a lot of you know, 619 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: um people reaching out to us that you block them 620 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: on Twitter. So I'm more curious where you're where your 621 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: thought processes is there because I'm hearing you say you 622 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: want to have conversations and you want to be open 623 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: and you want to have a dialogue going, and then 624 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: the blocking seems to be the opposite of that. Oh, 625 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, I don't know if Astley and 626 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: Ben has ever had this happened to them, and but 627 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said about having an 628 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: actual discussion. And then sometimes when people are definitely trolling 629 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: or trying to be hurtful towards you or trying to 630 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: say mess the things, sometimes it's just easier to block them. Yeah. No, 631 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: I mean that's fair. I think some of the people 632 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: that reached out to us don't feel that they were 633 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: doing that, but I you know, I'm not in your 634 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: head to know why you block a person over another, 635 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: And we have had a lot of people come after us. 636 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I'm most proud of 637 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: Ben and Ashley is they listen to it every time. 638 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: They hear the people out every time. And so you know, 639 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: that's just my two cents on that. You can do 640 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: whatever you want. But I do think if we are 641 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: going to really be open and making progress, we have 642 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: to hear other people's perspectives for sure. I mean, I 643 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: don't think that I've besides the blocking with I don't 644 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: even think I have that many people blocked. And the 645 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: only reason I know the number is because whenever Christie 646 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: Pagan showed her block list. I think I may have 647 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: posted mine or even said how many people I had blocked, 648 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: because enough for it's not that great, Um, it's it's 649 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: more so like I mean, there were probably some people 650 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: from like the Morning Past group or something that had 651 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: come after me and had said some things that I'm 652 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: will to have conversations with people who are respectful and 653 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: not trolling. And if people really did feel like they 654 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: were coming to me with those conversations and I blocked them, 655 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: I apologize for that, but I really do try to 656 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: limit it to people who are being harmful in their 657 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: comments or their tweets. Ben and actually have a question 658 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: for both of you about trolls. Do you think that 659 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: I've always been confused as to what to do with them. 660 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: Should I block them and then just get them out 661 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: of my life? Or does blocking them show that they've 662 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: affected me so much? They've affected me that's exactly why 663 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm blocking them. Yeah, yeah, but then I feel like 664 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: it almost gives them power, like oh I did my job. Yeah, 665 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: I could care less if they felt power in that moment. 666 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: I just don't want I don't this and actually I'm 667 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: not speaking for you actually talk about it. I'll let 668 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 1: you answer this, but I noticed that. Um well, even 669 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: Ashley Spivy Geez called and I promise you would never 670 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: bring it up a game, but she called me vanilla 671 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: boring like and I hate that, Like it makes me 672 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 1: so angry. I don't know why. And so when people 673 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: do that, like it's almost like an automatic like I 674 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: don't want to hear your opinion anymore. Um. And then 675 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 1: you make a really good point there, and I think 676 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 1: Ashley spoke to it. But again, my thing is stand 677 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: strong on your opinions. But I, Ashley, I think your 678 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: message gets lost when you do that, which I think 679 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: you addressed. No, that's what I said. Like, I I 680 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: know that my anger does not always manifest in the 681 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: best of ways. And one of those things is sometimes 682 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: I can get a little too fired up and say 683 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: hurtful things like many people do when they're angry. Um. 684 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: But I have apologized tip In for that and we've 685 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: had a cop Hey, Ashley, this is also just a 686 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: general question. I wonder if I do it too. Do 687 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: you say those things if you were in front of 688 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: your face or is that something that you just say 689 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 1: because like he's a public figure and you're on on 690 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: Twitter because obviously I talk about into my Cosmo blog 691 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: and stuff. I will make fun of people because I 692 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: haven't met them yet and I wouldn't say to their 693 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: face in person, and then I meet them and I'm like, 694 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so embarrassing, But like, what do 695 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: you think? I have a couple of um instances of 696 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: that with previous blotchlor season. Like I said in the 697 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: Recat blog, I used to have I think I called 698 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,800 Speaker 1: like I think to call it down low like a 699 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: vanilla gender or I even even said a couple of 700 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,480 Speaker 1: things about other people. And when I met them in 701 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: first and they were like, we were ready to like 702 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 1: hate you and think you were a total bit, but 703 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: now you're like a little piece of dynamite, like with 704 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 1: a Southern accent. It's I and I think it's funny 705 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: because I was kind of wondering what y'all thought I 706 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: was going to be like before I came on the podcast, 707 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: and I'm starting thought I was going to be like 708 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: super angry with like really mean, like scary voice or something. 709 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: I did think you're going to have a scary voice. 710 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: Then I came on, She's like, oh she is I 711 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 1: thought it, sweetheart. I think you're exactly what you are. 712 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: You're trying working hard to do what's right for you 713 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: and figuring out how to do that. Yeah. Well, and 714 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 1: I hope too. In terms of trying to do what's 715 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: right for me. I'm an impass, so other people's feelings 716 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: and her and suffering really affects me. So I'm always 717 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: trying to do for other people. I mean, I'm a namy, 718 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, my my job is 719 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: really to try to take care of other people. And 720 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: I know probably the best expression of that was not 721 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: what happened on Twitter, but it truly is my heart. Yeah, well, 722 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: it ended up being used for good, and you were 723 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: the catalyst to leving that happen. You reached out to me, 724 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: you said, Hey, this doesn't seem like this is going 725 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: in a direction on Twitter that is anywhere good or healthy? 726 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 1: Can we talk? And h Ashley, I think Amy brings 727 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: up a great point. Um, I've gotten to hear your story. 728 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: You're you know, yeah, your story is UM. So many 729 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: others out there that just haven't felt like they can 730 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 1: share yet, and a lot of this does get lost 731 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: in anger. And so I think a good takeaway from 732 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: all of us listening to this and and me including 733 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,399 Speaker 1: even talking about is when we do confront these issues too, 734 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 1: we can be angry and we can feel angry, but 735 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: make sure we're communicating our message clearly and UM effectively 736 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: every time with this, Ashley Spivy and I wanted to try. 737 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,799 Speaker 1: We we talked and we tried to figure out what 738 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: we could do about this outside of just talking on 739 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: this podcast. And so we thought there's a couple of 740 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: organizations out there that are really in support of women, UM, 741 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: that are in the support of just also hearing anybody's 742 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: stories that are victims of sexual assault, because this is 743 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: not just something that happens to women. Men are involved 744 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: in as well. UM. And so I want to make 745 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: sure to to highlight and ask anybody out there listening 746 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: to donate UM to RAIN and that's spelled r AI 747 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,720 Speaker 1: and and actually has brought this network to my attention, UM, 748 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: I want to tell you a little bit about it. RAIN, 749 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, is the nation's 750 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: largest anti sexual violence organization. RAIN created and operates the 751 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: National Sexual Assault Hotline eight hundred six five six HOPE. 752 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: You can also visit them online at online dot reigin 753 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: dot org. If you are a victim, if you haven't 754 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 1: told your story, or maybe you have and you need 755 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, please reach out to RAIN. Also, 756 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: if you're out there listening and maybe you've been affected 757 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: or you haven't been affected, considered donating to RAIN. UM. 758 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: This is something that has affected so many and if 759 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: I can get on my my soap boxed for a second, 760 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 1: I again, I cannot imagine living a life or something 761 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: so personal and something that affects all of us, no 762 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,279 Speaker 1: matter who you are or what your practices have been 763 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:23,680 Speaker 1: so much, and not tell your story or not feel 764 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: like you have the opportunity to tell the story for 765 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: anybody out there that has caused this pain on somebody. 766 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: I hope you feel the heaviness and the way and 767 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,240 Speaker 1: the impact at which you're affecting lives and the worst 768 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: of ways. And I also hope that there is a 769 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: redemption and a redeeming quality to all of this. But 770 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: none of us will be ever able to understand unless 771 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: we start talking about it, and so start having these conversations. 772 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: I hope you do not feel ashamed for anybody that's 773 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,439 Speaker 1: a victim. I need to talk to somebody please reach 774 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: out this podcast and we will make sure to get 775 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: you in contact with somebody. Actually, I know you, UM 776 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,359 Speaker 1: are going to highlight an organization as close and near 777 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,760 Speaker 1: and dear to my heart, and a lot of listeners 778 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: know about it. UM, And I just want to give 779 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: you kind of the last work, cause I know you 780 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: have to get the work, UM on on anything you 781 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,800 Speaker 1: want to kind of finish up with. I don't know. 782 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 1: I just I wanted to thank you for allowing me 783 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,840 Speaker 1: to come on the podcast and explain myself, and special 784 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: thanks to Athlee and Amy because I know y'all were 785 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,800 Speaker 1: very happy with me. But I do hope that UM, 786 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: through this talk, I've hopefully been able to change your 787 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: mind a little bit definitely. And then, UM, like I said, 788 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: Ben and I are going to donate to each other's 789 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: cause that we brought to each other, UM, just because 790 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: I do feel like this conversation was so productive and 791 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to do it as a joint effort of 792 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: faith and the other person that I do appreciate Sin 793 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,399 Speaker 1: for what stands for, and I hope he appreciates me 794 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: for at least what I've been willing to share with him. 795 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: And I do hope that this talk will inspire other 796 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: listeners to have those same types of conversations. So thank 797 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: you all for having me only fantastic experiences listening to 798 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you. Actually, actually, Spivey, never stand down. 799 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: We can always become better at communicating. But I do 800 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: appreciate you. And this has been one of the craziest 801 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,800 Speaker 1: weeks and a half of my life on learning and 802 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: educating and figuring this out and also just knowing that 803 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: you have a story to tell and all of this 804 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: comes from a place of of a lot of her 805 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: and so um, yeah, let's stand up together. And actually, Spivey, 806 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: thanks for coming the podcast. I know it was a risk, 807 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,360 Speaker 1: but I hope you feel like it was fruitful. Thanks again, 808 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Then I do feel better. Actually, okay, wow, 809 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: Actually this is the takeaway one of the takeaways that 810 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,479 Speaker 1: I have, um and I think we're seeing it today 811 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: no matter and actually Spivey spoke on it. I know 812 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of criticism out there on you know, 813 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 1: we've dum sacred ized the Me Too movement. Too many 814 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: people are claiming it. There's too many false accusations and 815 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: I just have a hard time believing that. I just 816 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,359 Speaker 1: think there's a lot more victims than anybody ever realized. Um, 817 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,719 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have been affected by 818 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: sexual assault, and I think it's shocking right now to 819 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: the public when so many people are coming out and 820 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 1: saying I've been hurt. But I also think there's an 821 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 1: important less in there, and one that actually Spivy and 822 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,760 Speaker 1: I have spoken about is the me too movement is sacred. 823 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,839 Speaker 1: We have to hold it up and say when when 824 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: you make a claim, it carries an impact and it 825 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 1: carries a weight to it, right, And so in this 826 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: day and age, as we communicate with each other, as 827 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,359 Speaker 1: we throw accusations at each other, we have to make 828 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: sure that we're doing it in truth. And Ashley Spivey 829 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: spoke on that this she wants to be a messenger 830 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: of truth. And I think one of the hardest things 831 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: that for me and this was that I was being 832 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: compared to people that I know I don't ever want 833 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: to be compared with her, I know that are not 834 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: on my team, and that got scary for me. And 835 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,719 Speaker 1: it was also it really did get scary for me 836 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: because I felt like there was something that was so 837 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart a topic that was 838 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: affected me closely, um, that I was now being associated 839 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: with and I couldn't have a chance to control. So 840 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,960 Speaker 1: I think what I'm trying to say is for anybody 841 00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: out there listening, speak up, talk about it, share the truth, 842 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: but make sure you're communicating in truth, and make sure 843 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 1: you're hearing people's stories for first, there's an empathy level 844 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: that needs to be brought into this to listen, to trust, 845 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,800 Speaker 1: and to know. And so yeah, um, I appreciate Ashley Spivey. 846 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: I really do. I didn't last week. I like her too, 847 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: because I think she's trying and I respect anybody that's 848 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,800 Speaker 1: making an effort. I think what she's experiencing as is 849 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: learning as she goes on how to do that in 850 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: the right way, and I think she makes missteps all 851 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: the time. Well, I mean this was this is definitely 852 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: a step in the right direction. Though it was so different. Yeah, 853 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,360 Speaker 1: it's so different hearing her talk to you vocally, not 854 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: through the computer screen. I agree, I I think I 855 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,480 Speaker 1: completely agree. It's just a lot, honestly, it's a lot 856 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: less intimidating. It's it feels a lot less uncontrollable because 857 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,800 Speaker 1: as we're bouting back and forth at each other on Twitter. 858 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: Explanations really aren't getting heard. Stories are not getting heard. Um. 859 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of lessons to be learned here. 860 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,440 Speaker 1: But I was angry at Ashley last week. I mean, 861 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: she was my worst enemy about a week and a 862 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: half ago, and and now she's somebody that I'm I'm 863 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna always learn from. UM. So again, please 864 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,920 Speaker 1: donate to RAIN. I will be donating to RAIN. The 865 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: hotline is eight hundred six five six dot Hope. Also, 866 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: Ashley Spivey will be donating to Heman and Hope United, 867 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 1: which is a nonprofit that focuses on alleviating human injustice 868 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: and Honduras and building successful, standable communities. And one of 869 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: the ways they do that is by empowering women and 870 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: by supplying jobs for over of the women in these 871 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: communities that they work with. So I don't know, it's heavy, um, 872 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: but we've talked about it and I think, Uh, the 873 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: only way that we will continue to in front this 874 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,720 Speaker 1: issue is to have open and honest dialogue with that Actuley, 875 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,640 Speaker 1: We've got a big podcast ahead of us, man, Uh, 876 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be weird to just jump into another conversation now, 877 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: but you go, we gotta do it. It is hard 878 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 1: to transition, um, but it's not hard to transition when 879 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: you're transitioning to something so good, right, so positive. We're 880 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna be talking at Tannard Tilbert here coming up very soon. 881 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 1: I might be more angry at Tanner Tilbert and you 882 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: for the next ten minutes than I ever was Ashley Spivy. 883 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: Something I'm not angry at is Bowling Branch. Bullling Branch 884 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,120 Speaker 1: makes the softest, most comfortable, organic cotton cheese you'll ever 885 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: sleep on. They only sell to you online at Bowling 886 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,959 Speaker 1: Branch dot com, so their sheets cost less than half 887 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: of the designer brands and are twice the quality. They're 888 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,960 Speaker 1: made from a that's not nine that's organic cotton. 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Um, and I've been watching The West 898 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 1: Wing and I'm on episode of The West Wing. Not 899 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: the best show ever. Oh my god, here on episode three. 900 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah just wait, Oh, I don't even want to you 901 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 1: don't even know what is coming. Get more excited because 902 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,439 Speaker 1: I actually think it might be the best show ever made. 903 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: I've watched it through, just started again at the beginning. 904 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: If I like Scandal, I like that my friend Angie's 905 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: husband just watches it, watches the whole series, then watches 906 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: it again, then watches it again, and watch it again. 907 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 1: And what's crazy, I'm sorry to go off, is that 908 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: it seems like it's current, Like well, wait, just wait, 909 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: you have no idea. All I want to say is 910 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: wait for the end of this season and call me, 911 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,800 Speaker 1: because you will be your mouth will be open, and 912 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: you will be like fighting tears and shock and not 913 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: knowing what to do. Okay, you actually sold me. I'm 914 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: going to watch anyway, Branch. So this weekend, I just 915 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: got back from Los Angeles last night. 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Don't 973 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: miss out because they sell out fast. And I know 974 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: that some companies go, oh they sell a fast now, 975 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,040 Speaker 1: but really, these things sell out in less than a week. 976 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,640 Speaker 1: Check out fabfit fund dot com and use the code 977 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: almost famous. You can save ten dollars on your first box, 978 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: making it only thirty nine dollars and cents. And don't 979 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,520 Speaker 1: forget the value is over two again that is fabfit 980 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: fund dot com. Use the code almost famous and treat yourself. 981 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 1: Treat yourself. Ben I'm sorry if you didn't want to 982 00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 1: be president, and I just kind of put that on you. 983 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,680 Speaker 1: You don't want to be president, then you don't have 984 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaker 1: to be. I always just imagined you as, isn't it. 985 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: I guess it was really just my own mindset. Yeah, 986 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: you know what, I really do want to be. So 987 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: we'll throw it out there because I think a lot 988 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: of the presidents do listen to the almost famous podcast, um, 989 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we have some future presidents listening. You 990 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,120 Speaker 1: know what my dream job is, now, what outside of 991 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,760 Speaker 1: operating generous is to operate generous and be in an 992 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,080 Speaker 1: ambassador um to a country. Okay, I can see you 993 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,520 Speaker 1: definitely doing that. I would love to do that. I would. 994 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,960 Speaker 1: I just think that sounds awesome. Um. I think I'm 995 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna just like step out of here, so angry, I 996 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,040 Speaker 1: step out the podcast. Let you and Tanner have your 997 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: moment um because I don't feel welcomed anymore. Oh my god. Okay, 998 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,560 Speaker 1: we have Tanner Tilbert, one of my very close friends 999 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,840 Speaker 1: on the line. Hi Tanner, Hello, Hi, So we just 1000 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 1: spent four days together in Puerto Rico. It was the 1001 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: most amazing vacation Jared and I have just had I 1002 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,000 Speaker 1: been blessed with wonderful vacations at the w Fort Lauderdale, 1003 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: UM Real Caribbean and now this amazing week in Puerto 1004 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,880 Speaker 1: Rico with you guys. Jaden Tanner vacations are the best vacations. 1005 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 1: And on this vacation, Jared posted an instagram that I 1006 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: thought people already knew. I thought you already knew what 1007 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,680 Speaker 1: was in the captain of this instagram, but I guess 1008 01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: they didn't. Um, you will be officiating our wedding next August. 1009 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: And this is something that we've joked about for like 1010 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,440 Speaker 1: like ever since Jared and I got engaged, right, oh yeah, 1011 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,120 Speaker 1: maybe even before that. I know I think so too, 1012 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,680 Speaker 1: But apparently I've made a boo boo and I may 1013 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 1: have hurt Ben's feelings, and I think I heard some 1014 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: fans feelings out there too. They were very defensive of you, Ben, 1015 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: very defensive when this was announced, because before Jared and 1016 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 1: I were ever together and the almost famous podcast was 1017 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,880 Speaker 1: just a mere baby. I said something along the lines 1018 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,200 Speaker 1: of Ben, I would love you to officiate my wedding 1019 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 1: one day, and truly, Ben, if I were not marrying Jared, 1020 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure I think you probably maybe would be, Um, 1021 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: it's just that Ared's decision. It's no, it's not Jared's decision. 1022 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 1: It's it's Jared in my relationship. I can see how 1023 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: this relationship is going to go. Ben, you know it's 1024 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: My relationship with Jared has completely evolved and unfolded and 1025 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,680 Speaker 1: blossomed in front of Tanner Tilbert's eyes. He is closer 1026 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 1: to it than anyone other than our parents are family. 1027 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: It happened because of Tanner. I love Ben, God bless you. Ben. 1028 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,240 Speaker 1: I love you. But like Tanner, Jared went to Tanner 1029 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,840 Speaker 1: and opened his soul and Tanner said dude, or might 1030 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,480 Speaker 1: have said, bro, you gotta do it. And so my 1031 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 1: thing is like I'm said, bro, you gotta do it. 1032 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 1: So Tanner is responsible for what is Ashley and Jared 1033 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: all right Tanner? Yeah, yeah, Ben, don't be don't be 1034 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 1: mad at me. I mean you got, you got the 1035 01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: role of the Bachelor after a season together. Let me 1036 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 1: have this row, let me have more. Okay, I justn't 1037 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: want it at all, Tanner, I just want it all. Ben. 1038 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: You get to now watch Tanner off shape, which is 1039 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,160 Speaker 1: going to be the funniest thing you're ever going to 1040 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,400 Speaker 1: see in your life because Tanner always has this slight smile, 1041 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,560 Speaker 1: it's a little sly grin, and it's going to be 1042 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,880 Speaker 1: the most perfect thing I've ever seen at the altar. 1043 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 1: It's going to allow me to laugh through my tears 1044 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: rather than just have an emotional sob past. Well you 1045 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: know what else it does for me, um, It allows 1046 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 1: me to kick back, relax and have a couple of 1047 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,200 Speaker 1: cocktails in me that I was no longer going to 1048 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 1: be able to have. So Tanner, it's your job, go 1049 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: for it. I will be celebrating Ashley and Jared from 1050 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,160 Speaker 1: the audience. Tanner, I really want to know that we've 1051 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: talked about it a couple of times. Take us back 1052 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,440 Speaker 1: to the moment where Jared did just release his heart 1053 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: and soul to you. And what was before you even 1054 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,520 Speaker 1: spoke to Jared as he was saying the words, if 1055 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,160 Speaker 1: I think I love Ashley? What was going through your mind? 1056 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: So I had dreamt of that moment for like two years. 1057 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 1: That couple, yea, I know it is, but Jared, after that, 1058 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,960 Speaker 1: that couple, that was like we traveled well together and 1059 01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: there were a couple that we like, the guy and 1060 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the girl equal, and that's that's the Ray I want 1061 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,120 Speaker 1: to have within a marriage if you actually like both people, 1062 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: not just the guy like the guy, girl like the girl, 1063 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. So I feltishly was 1064 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,600 Speaker 1: rooting for this, for this relationship to work out for 1065 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,080 Speaker 1: about two years, just for my own needy reasons to 1066 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 1: have you know, traveling studdies. But I didn't think it 1067 01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: would actually happen. But I was always in their corner. 1068 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,560 Speaker 1: And then, um, I knew the moment when Jared decided 1069 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,840 Speaker 1: to come to Saint Lucian's just for like eighteen hour 1070 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, an eighteen hour period. He didn't even have 1071 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,480 Speaker 1: to tell me. He didn't. He didn't. He waited to 1072 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 1: tell me till we got down there. But I know, 1073 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,960 Speaker 1: no guys gonna travel, you know, to eight hour flights 1074 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,960 Speaker 1: and over the span of eighteen hours, unless there's a 1075 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 1: girl involved like that just doesn't. That just doesn't happen. 1076 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: So as soon as you got here, there's as the 1077 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,560 Speaker 1: guts there. He pulled me aside, asked me to low 1078 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: down because I've already kind of talked to Astley about it. 1079 01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Gary spilled his guts and the rest of history. Man, Yeah, 1080 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,040 Speaker 1: it's a good story. Tanner was there when we first met. 1081 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,000 Speaker 1: He was there when we had friend fights about why 1082 01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 1: we were just friends, and then he was there as 1083 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,160 Speaker 1: Jared's confidante when it was time to tell his real feelings. So, 1084 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,600 Speaker 1: come on, you have to understand why she's gotta be 1085 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,480 Speaker 1: are officient. I can't be that man. Now I'm good, 1086 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,480 Speaker 1: I've gotten over it. I was just excited. I I 1087 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 1: support you. Also, I just feel like Tanner's one up me. 1088 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, he gets Jade, he gets the baby, gets 1089 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 1: the You don't even want to know what he want. 1090 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,439 Speaker 1: On fan Dueling yesterday, then Tannery had a big week 1091 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I have it was a very good Sunday. Tiler Household. 1092 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,880 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, everything's happened in the Tilber household. Hey, 1093 01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,200 Speaker 1: for any of the fans listening, Tanner Tilbert was I 1094 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,960 Speaker 1: think one of the most beloved people that I've ever 1095 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: seen in a house uh full of main competing for 1096 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,200 Speaker 1: one woman. So when we were on Caitlin season The 1097 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,080 Speaker 1: bachelorret everybody loved Tanner Tilbert. Everybody loved Jared also, It's 1098 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,160 Speaker 1: just like they kind of were like two in one 1099 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,360 Speaker 1: um and Tanner Tilbert was one of the guys. There 1100 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,320 Speaker 1: was a lot of us at the end of Tanna. 1101 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,560 Speaker 1: I want to kind of go back to this moment 1102 01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: we're standing in Ireland on the night that you got 1103 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,919 Speaker 1: asked to go home. I remember we're all standing there 1104 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,840 Speaker 1: after this long journey with Caitlin, and I was one 1105 01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,440 Speaker 1: of these guys, but I think there's three of us 1106 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,640 Speaker 1: that started tear up knowing that one of our close 1107 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,440 Speaker 1: friends were going to be going home that evening, and 1108 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:28,560 Speaker 1: it was really sad, but the romance was real. Yeah, 1109 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I honestly had a figure. I had a play a 1110 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,360 Speaker 1: bigger connection with you that and I did with Caitlin. 1111 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,920 Speaker 1: Tough moment. Tough moment for me for sure. I mean 1112 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,800 Speaker 1: Jared did kind of have that role that season. Um 1113 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,880 Speaker 1: just kind of where we kept hanging around and obviously 1114 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,640 Speaker 1: there admitted a little further than I. But yeah, yeah, 1115 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: that the love was real between us, bros. I didn't 1116 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,480 Speaker 1: even really know Kalen, but I knew you pretty well. Yeah, 1117 01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 1: we knew each other very well. But everybody in the house, 1118 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: all the men loved loved you you also, And then 1119 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 1: I know Ashley wants to dig into her lationship and 1120 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,360 Speaker 1: I think it's important that we do. But there is 1121 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,720 Speaker 1: this interesting did you ever kiss Caitlin. I did not 1122 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,560 Speaker 1: on camera. It's just for you know, just for my 1123 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,800 Speaker 1: memory at this point America America didn't think that I did, 1124 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,600 Speaker 1: but you know I laid it on her a couple 1125 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: of times. That's for another story. Yeah, I think I 1126 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 1: think all the guys in the house just because they 1127 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: knew I was no threat to their relationship with Calan, 1128 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: So that's easy to be like every week. Tanner was 1129 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,600 Speaker 1: shocked that he made it through. He's like, wait, what 1130 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,400 Speaker 1: she called my name again? This is just wrong for sure. 1131 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,160 Speaker 1: Uh um, Hey, tell me about your your last vacation. 1132 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,920 Speaker 1: You went to Puerto Rico together here last week? Yeah, Tim, 1133 01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 1: do we have any stories to share other than just 1134 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,080 Speaker 1: the fact that it was lovely. The thing that I 1135 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,840 Speaker 1: love about Jane Tanner is that we can sit down 1136 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,520 Speaker 1: to like two meals, like to two hour meals every 1137 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: day and we never run out of things to say. 1138 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,200 Speaker 1: We talked the entire time, and they're the friends that 1139 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,600 Speaker 1: you don't go back to the hotel invent about. You're 1140 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: just like, wow, I love them. Wow. I could actually 1141 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 1: spend every hour together with them exactly. We feel the 1142 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,560 Speaker 1: same way. So yeah, there's not really stories now that 1143 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,800 Speaker 1: we're both like you, I'm married or engaged couples. Nothing 1144 01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,080 Speaker 1: cool happens anymore. I go to dinner and go to sleep. 1145 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,640 Speaker 1: There's no there's no juicy stories like there were back 1146 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: and you know the Creatuared Nashally together all yeah, nothing, 1147 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,160 Speaker 1: nothing that comes to mind, right. Actually, we watched some 1148 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,800 Speaker 1: HD HDTV together. That's what we do on This is 1149 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,720 Speaker 1: the most exciting. Like we actually we went back to 1150 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,160 Speaker 1: our hotel rooms by ten thirty and we're like, yeah, 1151 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,680 Speaker 1: it is about house Hunters time. And then we were 1152 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:48,280 Speaker 1: texting each other from our respective rooms about Hunters. Tanner, 1153 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm very very interested. Has the dynamic between Ashley and 1154 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,440 Speaker 1: Jared changed. I mean obviously a little bit like they're affectionate, 1155 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 1: but have have have you felt a drastic change now 1156 01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: that they're engaged compared to before when they were just friends? Um, 1157 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean they're they still act like they acted like 1158 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,919 Speaker 1: best friends before because they were, and they still act 1159 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,280 Speaker 1: like best friends just now. Jared is just just constantly 1160 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,240 Speaker 1: kissing like Ashley's shoulder instead of sitting on opf the 1161 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,320 Speaker 1: side of the table. He doesn't get off of me. 1162 01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,479 Speaker 1: I'm not Jared. Jared is very high and the whole 1163 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,679 Speaker 1: pd I train or pd A train. Who have thought, Like, really, 1164 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,800 Speaker 1: go back nine months and who would have believed you 1165 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,960 Speaker 1: if you said, like, oh, yeah, Jared can't keep his 1166 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 1: hands up Ashley. Nobody. I remember when you guys were 1167 01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,680 Speaker 1: both single and when we were in the Bahamas and 1168 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,000 Speaker 1: I was like begging him to go kiss you, yeah 1169 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,160 Speaker 1: for Instagram. I don't know. Yeah, I was like, I 1170 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,439 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know. Not now forwards two 1171 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 1: years later, the dude can't keep his hands off of you. 1172 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 1: Did you change like perfumer or something, ash No. His 1173 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,080 Speaker 1: pheromones have quite an effect on me though. I just 1174 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,439 Speaker 1: love his natural smell, Like his face smells so good 1175 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,719 Speaker 1: to me. I don't know, it's weird, but yeah, Tanner 1176 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,800 Speaker 1: and Jade and Emmy. Emmy was the best on this trip, 1177 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: you guys. She isn't a little adult now, she cried. 1178 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I think I saw like water come out of her 1179 01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,920 Speaker 1: eyes once in four days and we were doing adult 1180 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: stuff like going to fancy dinners and touring around old 1181 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,559 Speaker 1: San Juan, and she was so good and she's starting 1182 01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit. This one time and she 1183 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,880 Speaker 1: said dad, Dad, Like we literally flipped out. Yeah, there's 1184 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,840 Speaker 1: the year. The year is kind of the sweet spot. 1185 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,200 Speaker 1: So when you guys have kids, don't even bother traveling. 1186 01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,000 Speaker 1: That first year's not worth it. But after that year, 1187 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,800 Speaker 1: if everything gets much easier, Yeah, tell us about Emmy. 1188 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,280 Speaker 1: You know, Tanner, I get to see it on Instagram 1189 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,160 Speaker 1: and and you and Jade both post these loving pictures 1190 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:45,160 Speaker 1: of your beautiful daughter. But for anybody out there listening, 1191 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,760 Speaker 1: they're huge fans of you and Jade. You and Jade 1192 01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,439 Speaker 1: have made your mark on baschelination. Uh, talk about a 1193 01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 1: little bit about where you guys are at as a couple. 1194 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,640 Speaker 1: And then how am you doing? I mean, you're doing good. 1195 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,680 Speaker 1: You just turned fourteen months. She has not walked yet, 1196 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: but she's a little behind on the we're working on that. 1197 01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,880 Speaker 1: Jade and I have been trying to see baby number 1198 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:10,479 Speaker 1: two for a few months now and we opulation period 1199 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:16,599 Speaker 1: last days. You know what that means, Well, they can't 1200 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,400 Speaker 1: get pregnant before the wedding. There's is it's like funny 1201 01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,800 Speaker 1: because they have to stop trying in December. They can't. 1202 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,679 Speaker 1: They can't do it in December when she's opulating, because 1203 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,920 Speaker 1: then she wouldn't be able to come to the wedding, right, Yeah, 1204 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,680 Speaker 1: we can't have that. We can't have to do days then, 1205 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:38,120 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty much I got late this week. This 1206 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,240 Speaker 1: is really the last month they can do it because 1207 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: she was at eight months. She had Emmy at eight months, 1208 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,840 Speaker 1: so you know, just really skip November in December for us. Yeah, 1209 01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:56,200 Speaker 1: though I might be celibant until January. Garrett, all right, well, Tander, 1210 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: we've gotta let you go. Thank you so much, um, 1211 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,479 Speaker 1: and hopefully we have you in here soon talking about 1212 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:07,479 Speaker 1: the preparations for what you're gonna say. Alright, talk to 1213 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:12,600 Speaker 1: you later. I love you. Bye. Then we have a 1214 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 1: little bit more to talk about in this podcast. But 1215 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,960 Speaker 1: I have another thing that's happened to me this week 1216 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,560 Speaker 1: that I have to share with you. I got the 1217 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,320 Speaker 1: results of my twenty three in me and I have 1218 01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,120 Speaker 1: only four percent Italian. What did you think? I'm having 1219 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,599 Speaker 1: an identity crisis. I just have this feeling that you're 1220 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,680 Speaker 1: like a part of Royalty and I'm gonna have to 1221 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,400 Speaker 1: hear about it forever. Now. Well, I did find out 1222 01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,559 Speaker 1: that I'm also like fourteen Irish and British. Who would 1223 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,519 Speaker 1: have thought? So maybe I do have some britt Royalty 1224 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,320 Speaker 1: in me. But I never knew that. So my dad 1225 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,880 Speaker 1: got these results. I got the results back from mine, 1226 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,200 Speaker 1: and then he's looking at them and he's like, Grandpa 1227 01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,560 Speaker 1: must have been half Italian and he probably was like 1228 01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,479 Speaker 1: half British as well, Like, isn't that insane? If if 1229 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,200 Speaker 1: you feel like we had this covers before, But if 1230 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: if you feel like this world is more divided than 1231 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,760 Speaker 1: ever and you're tired of hearing about all the things 1232 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,280 Speaker 1: that separate us, you're gonna have to check out Spit. 1233 01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,080 Speaker 1: Spit is actually a podcast with I Heart Radio and 1234 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,200 Speaker 1: twenty three and Me where they explore all things d 1235 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,720 Speaker 1: n A and how we are all actually nine nine 1236 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:24,160 Speaker 1: point five percent genetically alike. The host sit down with 1237 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,760 Speaker 1: the biggest stars, including John Legend and Melissa Etheridge and 1238 01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,839 Speaker 1: other influencers to talk about how the world of genetic 1239 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: testing is changing who we are in the world around us. 1240 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,679 Speaker 1: They explore a variety of important topics such as how 1241 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,840 Speaker 1: science stacks up against the stories that we've been told, 1242 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 1: and how much is nature and how much is nurture, 1243 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,760 Speaker 1: and the modern definition of family genetics, race and out 1244 01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,320 Speaker 1: sparting our genes, and a whole lot more. Ben I 1245 01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,160 Speaker 1: can't wait for you to take twenty three and me 1246 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,840 Speaker 1: and to let me know how surprised you are at 1247 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,400 Speaker 1: your heritage, because now when people are like, what's your ethnicity, 1248 01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, honestly, every day, I'm just like 1249 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,560 Speaker 1: a European mundy. When you did it, what did you 1250 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,080 Speaker 1: have to do? All you do is you spit into 1251 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,320 Speaker 1: this thing, which is kind of gross, and my sister 1252 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 1: was hilarous. So you're not supposed to eat and drink 1253 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,679 Speaker 1: for half an hour before you spit into this vial 1254 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,240 Speaker 1: and she couldn't get enough spit. And it does say 1255 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,240 Speaker 1: in the instructions. You're like, you're supposed to it might 1256 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,599 Speaker 1: take five minutes to get as much spit as you need. 1257 01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,240 Speaker 1: But in order to make as much saliva as she needed, 1258 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: she had to YouTube videos of pizza salva. Yes so hard. 1259 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: And then and then a couple of weeks later, we 1260 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,479 Speaker 1: found out that we're only four Italian. Wow, did you 1261 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,840 Speaker 1: guys match? I mean your sister so I'm assuming, but 1262 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,760 Speaker 1: like it exactly, it matched. How crazy would it be 1263 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,240 Speaker 1: if it came back different? I'm like, oh my god, yeah, 1264 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,080 Speaker 1: I just wondered, like that'd be super cool. Mom, we 1265 01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:59,880 Speaker 1: have a problem, big issue for my dad's birthday. It 1266 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:01,599 Speaker 1: is just last week. We got him at twenty three 1267 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 1: and me, so it should be getting in the mail 1268 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Dad, why do you need that? You 1269 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,519 Speaker 1: know you have learned my results, but he wants to 1270 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,559 Speaker 1: really see like what his breakdown is. That's right, Hey, 1271 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: we have a couple of questions. We're gonna finish the podcast. 1272 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:19,320 Speaker 1: Jordan's and Jenna Also, Wills has disappeared. What a Bachelor 1273 01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,360 Speaker 1: at Favorite Contestants is just nowhere to be found? Where 1274 01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,439 Speaker 1: is he? Let's find out? Only here on the almost 1275 01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:32,200 Speaker 1: famous podcast Julian, Hello, how are you? Hey? Jillian? You're 1276 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,639 Speaker 1: a fan of the podcast and a lawyer, so we thought, 1277 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,720 Speaker 1: how perfect would it be to have you on and 1278 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,200 Speaker 1: talk about the legality of this Jordan's and Jenna drama. 1279 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:45,040 Speaker 1: Give us your perspective. It's great to talk to you both. Um. 1280 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,920 Speaker 1: I was actually listening to the last podcast and I 1281 01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,320 Speaker 1: heard Ben talking about this, and I thought to myself, 1282 01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,679 Speaker 1: would be great to provide a little bit of clarity 1283 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,800 Speaker 1: as to what's been going on. M So I've been 1284 01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,400 Speaker 1: following the story. I watched Bachelor and Power at Dice 1285 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,760 Speaker 1: than I was really um, kind of captivated by this 1286 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,960 Speaker 1: dispute between the two of them, and UM, you know, 1287 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,240 Speaker 1: in terms of this forensic report, that was really what 1288 01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:13,040 Speaker 1: stood out to me. UM. You know, three pages long. 1289 01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,240 Speaker 1: I feel like the average person doesn't even want to 1290 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,760 Speaker 1: read through the whole thing. UM, but I wanted to 1291 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: sort of explain how these things happen. So, you know, 1292 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: usually when there's a legal dispute and there are two 1293 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 1: very different versions of what happened, a law firm will 1294 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,439 Speaker 1: go ahead and hire a company like Protest three, which 1295 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 1: is too Jenna's law firm hired UM, and their jobs, 1296 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,200 Speaker 1: just so we're clear, is not to provide a neutral 1297 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,640 Speaker 1: report of the analysis of whatever they're looking at. Um. 1298 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:48,280 Speaker 1: They're hired by the law firm that was hired by Jenna, 1299 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,040 Speaker 1: and their job is to figure out a way to 1300 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:56,160 Speaker 1: support her story. UM. So just just so we're clear 1301 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,599 Speaker 1: on that they're not neutral, they're they're kind of coming 1302 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,600 Speaker 1: at it with a bias because they're being paid by 1303 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:05,679 Speaker 1: a certain side, and ideally the report should the purpose 1304 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,320 Speaker 1: of it should be to clear her name. UM. And 1305 01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: what I found really interesting is that even with that 1306 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,280 Speaker 1: being the case, I don't think they even came close 1307 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,439 Speaker 1: to clearing her name. Um. And that really says a 1308 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,840 Speaker 1: lot because that's their job, and so the fact that 1309 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,600 Speaker 1: they weren't able to do that, I don't think is 1310 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,320 Speaker 1: really great for Jenna's story. Um. But at the same time, 1311 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I think that the purpose of her releasing this report 1312 01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:34,880 Speaker 1: was with the goal of clearing herself. UM. And I 1313 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,360 Speaker 1: feel like maybe the average person might read this and 1314 01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,360 Speaker 1: sort of, you know, become suspicious of Jordan's But if 1315 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 1: you look at the report, clearly there are certain things 1316 01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:48,760 Speaker 1: in there that sort of were red flags to me. Um, 1317 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,080 Speaker 1: you know. And I think the biggest thing that I 1318 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,800 Speaker 1: noticed is that, uh, you know, if you look on 1319 01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: the first page of the report, they talked about the 1320 01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,919 Speaker 1: fact that there were only two D sixty nine recovered 1321 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,679 Speaker 1: deleted text messages, and that seemed like a very low 1322 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,479 Speaker 1: number to me. Uh, there were all in all pool 1323 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,800 Speaker 1: there were about text messages and only two D sixty 1324 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,320 Speaker 1: nine recover text messages that were deleted. And the phone 1325 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,920 Speaker 1: that she had, if I am right, I think that phone, 1326 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,160 Speaker 1: the iPhone six, was released in two thousand fourteen, so 1327 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:24,040 Speaker 1: that's a pretty old phone and I just think it's odd. 1328 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,960 Speaker 1: Where are the rest of the deleted text messages, and 1329 01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:28,800 Speaker 1: if you look at the last page and then you 1330 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,479 Speaker 1: pointed this out that really there's this huge disclaimer at 1331 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,599 Speaker 1: the end thing, you know, we we can only really 1332 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,880 Speaker 1: review what we have. You know, we don't really know 1333 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,000 Speaker 1: what happened here. That's kind of what the end of 1334 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,000 Speaker 1: this letter says. And the truth is, if they don't 1335 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,639 Speaker 1: have all of her text messages, there's really no there's 1336 01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,120 Speaker 1: nothing about this report that's helpful. It doesn't really say anything. 1337 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,439 Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of speculation. Who reviews this then? 1338 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,479 Speaker 1: So the report gets put out there, I mean, it's 1339 01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,919 Speaker 1: this whole thing is under investigation by I would imagine, 1340 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,880 Speaker 1: But what a judge in whatever district this has been claimed, like, 1341 01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,920 Speaker 1: who's reviewing these reports? Now? Okay, that's a great question. 1342 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,280 Speaker 1: So usually a report like this is created with the 1343 01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,160 Speaker 1: idea that the case is going to trial, that someone 1344 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,960 Speaker 1: is filing a lawsuit, and usually there's a battle of 1345 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,200 Speaker 1: the expert. So Jenna would have her report and Jordan's 1346 01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,320 Speaker 1: or reality Steve would have their own report. Depending on 1347 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,080 Speaker 1: who she's doing, they would probably hire their own expert, 1348 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 1: and then this goes in front of a judge or 1349 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: a jury and really it comes down to who the 1350 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:42,120 Speaker 1: person who's trying the case believes. Because this would be 1351 01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:45,240 Speaker 1: a civil case, you don't have to prove who's right 1352 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:48,400 Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. There's a much lower burden. So 1353 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,280 Speaker 1: really it's is the question is who do you believe more? 1354 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,320 Speaker 1: It's really who do you believe is telling the truth? 1355 01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,120 Speaker 1: Who's more likely to be telling the truth? And my 1356 01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,559 Speaker 1: personal takeaway from this, usually with an expert report, at 1357 01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,760 Speaker 1: the end of the report you'll have a conclusion, and 1358 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,600 Speaker 1: the conclusion will say, you know, we've concluded within a 1359 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,120 Speaker 1: reasonable degree of scientific certainty that in this case, Jenna 1360 01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,160 Speaker 1: did not send these text messages. You'll notice in this 1361 01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,560 Speaker 1: report it doesn't say anything close to that, nothing like that. 1362 01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,960 Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm almost surprised that she released the report, 1363 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,920 Speaker 1: and the report itself is so weak to me that 1364 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,400 Speaker 1: I doubt she'll ever take this to court because this report, 1365 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,600 Speaker 1: I don't feel really helps her. So I think what 1366 01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,719 Speaker 1: she was trying to do, if I had to guess, 1367 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,160 Speaker 1: is hire a company that usually you would use if 1368 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,240 Speaker 1: you're going to file a lawsuit, But she hired them 1369 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,080 Speaker 1: specifically to clear her name uh to the public, just 1370 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,519 Speaker 1: to make herself the innocent and then move forward field 1371 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,840 Speaker 1: bait and switch. So she's hoping that this release is 1372 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,280 Speaker 1: going to look like she didn't do it, but in 1373 01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,680 Speaker 1: a lawyer's eyes, it looks even more like you did it. Yes, 1374 01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,719 Speaker 1: exactly what who exactly is she suing? I heard Amy 1375 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of asking the background there, and I think it's 1376 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,679 Speaker 1: the question that we've all had because the report mentions 1377 01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,760 Speaker 1: Jordan's name but also claims that Reality Steve is at 1378 01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,920 Speaker 1: the head of this. It's Reality Steve that she's suing. Correct, 1379 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard that she's 1380 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,920 Speaker 1: doing anybody. And when she posted this, she wrote onward 1381 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,360 Speaker 1: and upward, which I took to mean that she's trying 1382 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,240 Speaker 1: to walk away from it. If she did try to 1383 01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:33,000 Speaker 1: do I would imagine she would se both Reality Steve 1384 01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:36,240 Speaker 1: and Jordan's um. And then the question is, you know, 1385 01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:39,519 Speaker 1: how can she prove her case? So typically in a 1386 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,320 Speaker 1: defamation case, you have to prove that what's being said 1387 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,040 Speaker 1: about you is false. Um. But worse than that for 1388 01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,280 Speaker 1: her is you know, the question becomes is she a 1389 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:53,320 Speaker 1: public figure or not? So if she is, sorry, she 1390 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,120 Speaker 1: is a public figure, right, So I mean it's It's 1391 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,880 Speaker 1: interesting because if she's a publish figure, which I would 1392 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,760 Speaker 1: think she wants people to think of her as a 1393 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,880 Speaker 1: public figure, um, the burden is a lot higher. So 1394 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,160 Speaker 1: when you're a public figure and you're trying to prove 1395 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,880 Speaker 1: that someone disamed you, you have to prove it when 1396 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,280 Speaker 1: they said what they said about you, they knew what 1397 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,840 Speaker 1: they were saying was fault or they completely disregarded the truth. 1398 01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:23,040 Speaker 1: It's hard to win, right, very hard. It's a lot 1399 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,880 Speaker 1: harder than if she was, you know, just a regular person. 1400 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:30,960 Speaker 1: So I personally wouldn't think she's going to do I mean, 1401 01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,320 Speaker 1: I just I can't imagine that she would. But you 1402 01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,240 Speaker 1: never know. This whole thing is just blown up to 1403 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,960 Speaker 1: something that I don't still don't understand, Like it's not good, 1404 01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't like that anybody is getting Australis 1405 01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:48,160 Speaker 1: and criticized for this. But it's a breakup, Like why 1406 01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,479 Speaker 1: do we have to continue to drag this along? You're 1407 01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,439 Speaker 1: in the reality television world. People are going to talk 1408 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,200 Speaker 1: about your breakup like that just happens all the time. 1409 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:57,960 Speaker 1: Why would I go out there and try to sue 1410 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,920 Speaker 1: every single publication that talked about Lauren and I breaking up. 1411 01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,479 Speaker 1: That seems like a big waste of my time. I 1412 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,160 Speaker 1: think if the goal here is for her to repair 1413 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,720 Speaker 1: her public image, she should just leave it with this 1414 01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,880 Speaker 1: report and walk away, because I don't really think it's 1415 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,040 Speaker 1: going to be good for her to keep pursuing this. 1416 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's really going to go anywhere 1417 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,800 Speaker 1: that's positive for her. I agree, I agree. Hey, thank 1418 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,439 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on talking about this. This 1419 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,800 Speaker 1: is something as you heard last week as you listen 1420 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:29,240 Speaker 1: to the podcast, I didn't quite understand. I don't know 1421 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,519 Speaker 1: if I ever really actually wanted to understand it, but 1422 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,600 Speaker 1: now you really helped me. You really helped me understand it. 1423 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for emailing the podcast. It's crazy. Email our podcast. 1424 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,400 Speaker 1: You said, Hey, I have some insight into this, and 1425 01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,800 Speaker 1: as a result, now you're educating to both of us. 1426 01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on them. And I 1427 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,120 Speaker 1: want to say I thought you did a pretty good 1428 01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:53,920 Speaker 1: job of explaining it, So goodated your effort. Absolutely try hard. 1429 01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,760 Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, it was great talking to you. 1430 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,920 Speaker 1: Thanks Jane. We'll have you on call for our next 1431 01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:08,479 Speaker 1: legal issue in Bachelor Nation. Take care alright, Well, Wills 1432 01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 1: has disappeared. Yeah, that was gonna say we have another 1433 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,439 Speaker 1: mystery on our hands. Yeah, before we go here, Um, 1434 01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,519 Speaker 1: this has been what we just talk to you for 1435 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,080 Speaker 1: a second. The off season is usually so slow and 1436 01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,040 Speaker 1: so boring, and then we have to come up with 1437 01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,479 Speaker 1: crazy little segments like ben Bitches and we still have 1438 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,120 Speaker 1: that on taple. We we're going at a time because 1439 01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,760 Speaker 1: there's so much happening this year. When it comes to 1440 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,640 Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast in Bachelor Nation, Ashley tell us 1441 01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:36,439 Speaker 1: about Wills where do You Go? So it was brought 1442 01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,400 Speaker 1: to our attention today by producer Amy that they've been 1443 01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:43,640 Speaker 1: talking in the almost famous Facebook group about the disappearance 1444 01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:48,000 Speaker 1: of Wills. Um. Wills is of course from Becca season 1445 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,560 Speaker 1: and then this past season to Bachelor in Paradise, and 1446 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,559 Speaker 1: he hasn't posted anything on Instagram for the past month, 1447 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,000 Speaker 1: which I would be like, okay, so maybe he just 1448 01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,519 Speaker 1: doesn't want to take part in the whole Instagram world 1449 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,479 Speaker 1: of the match like that. That's totally fine. Yeah, I 1450 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,360 Speaker 1: mean maybe maybe he was feeling defeated. Maybe you feel 1451 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,200 Speaker 1: like it wasn't getting enough attention on there, so he's like, okay, 1452 01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,680 Speaker 1: I give up. But then things got really weird when 1453 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,360 Speaker 1: I texted this morning and I said, hey, it's Ashley. I. 1454 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,360 Speaker 1: We were wondering if you wanted to come on the 1455 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,200 Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast. And it's been three hours and he 1456 01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:21,080 Speaker 1: hasn't responded. Delivered it says delivered. I think that he is, 1457 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe kidnapped. He's on a show. Oh my god, 1458 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:31,800 Speaker 1: you're so right. That could be spoiling. Did you know that? No, 1459 01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,160 Speaker 1: but I guarantee that happens. Like all these guys come 1460 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,280 Speaker 1: on the show now and they get called like EMPTV 1461 01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,679 Speaker 1: the Challenge, or they get called on some other dating 1462 01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,400 Speaker 1: show like Marriage boot Camp, when all of a sudden 1463 01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,720 Speaker 1: they have a secret you then they disappear again. So 1464 01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,160 Speaker 1: I guarantee, goodness. Do you think Ben is in the 1465 01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,120 Speaker 1: c I A but it delivered And normally their phones 1466 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,439 Speaker 1: are off Renaissance man, I wear a lot of hats 1467 01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,000 Speaker 1: amy really clever, clever move that I did not think 1468 01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,519 Speaker 1: of their Yeah, So I mean it's it's interesting that 1469 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,840 Speaker 1: the text delivered. You know what he's on? Probably what 1470 01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:12,360 Speaker 1: was that show that was airing after Jersey? Sure that Uma? Yeah? 1471 01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,320 Speaker 1: What was excellent? Ex on the Beach. He's on excea 1472 01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,280 Speaker 1: career move, terrific career move. Nothing is better than going 1473 01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,759 Speaker 1: on X on the beach to really enhance your public image. 1474 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,600 Speaker 1: Let's see if he hits back, because some people, not 1475 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:30,040 Speaker 1: Ashley or me, don't respond to text so quickly. Like 1476 01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:34,960 Speaker 1: man Bennet hit pretty good. But sometimes he disappears for 1477 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,240 Speaker 1: a day. But like, I'm right back to you. So 1478 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,280 Speaker 1: if you don't get right back to oh my god, 1479 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 1: you have to at some point in the day. I 1480 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,920 Speaker 1: just put my phone away, So it's all good. Hey, 1481 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,200 Speaker 1: Will just disappeared. Um. Ashley Spivey uh showed up big 1482 01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,240 Speaker 1: and came on the podcast to tell her story. We 1483 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,519 Speaker 1: have insight into Jordan and Jenna Tannard told told my 1484 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 1: arching sist comes on the podcast talk about Ashley and 1485 01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,320 Speaker 1: Jared and their love story. It's actually something I love. 1486 01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's great that he's doing it. Um 1487 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,680 Speaker 1: or you go. We have an announcement. We have a 1488 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,679 Speaker 1: huge announcement, and I just want to say, I'm gonna 1489 01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,160 Speaker 1: have a lot more fun at your wedding now. Actually, 1490 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,240 Speaker 1: now that I'm not doing um the actual wedding, I 1491 01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,120 Speaker 1: am going to be an absolute riot. It's savage the 1492 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:20,880 Speaker 1: things I'm gonna do at your wedding. And I'm going 1493 01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,800 Speaker 1: to ruin the whole thing, the little gumby dance that 1494 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:27,519 Speaker 1: you'll be doing. Um A. I Heart Radio has been 1495 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,880 Speaker 1: a huge, huge supporter of mine. Ashley and I are 1496 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,439 Speaker 1: very thankful for I Heart Radio. It's been a really 1497 01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:37,360 Speaker 1: good partnership over the last two years. And now I 1498 01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,160 Speaker 1: heard it's kind of taking it up a notch and 1499 01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,840 Speaker 1: doing something for me that is very personal. You've heard 1500 01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:43,680 Speaker 1: me talk about it, Ashley Spivey and I actually just 1501 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,120 Speaker 1: talked about it. UH. Humanity and Hope United is an 1502 01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,639 Speaker 1: organization that I care a ton about. It's something I've 1503 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,240 Speaker 1: been working with for the last eight years. I'm on 1504 01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,760 Speaker 1: the board and I go to Honduras three or four 1505 01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,280 Speaker 1: times a year with this organization to try and find 1506 01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,960 Speaker 1: ways to build sustainable solutions in communities that feel forgotten. 1507 01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,280 Speaker 1: One of those ways, and I'll speed it up here, 1508 01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,799 Speaker 1: is that we have a community that is completely dependent 1509 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,400 Speaker 1: on thirty acres of land. It's called we called the 1510 01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:15,400 Speaker 1: Grand Farm. The Grand Farm supplies plus people with jobs 1511 01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:20,960 Speaker 1: every week, and those jobs and help them pay for education, healthcare, transportation, 1512 01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,679 Speaker 1: clean water, et cetera. Well, the Grand Farm is something 1513 01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,840 Speaker 1: that currently Humaning Hope United leases, but there's a palm 1514 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,200 Speaker 1: company happens often in Honduras coming in to say we 1515 01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,240 Speaker 1: want this land. It's good land. We want to buy 1516 01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,720 Speaker 1: it out from underneath you. And the only way that 1517 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,559 Speaker 1: we can stop them from doing that is to buy 1518 01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,320 Speaker 1: it ourselves. If we don't buy it, we're gonna lose 1519 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,439 Speaker 1: opportunity for these jobs. Are gonna lose the place for 1520 01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,360 Speaker 1: these jobs. And so I was telling the story to 1521 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,240 Speaker 1: producer Amy and Ashley and I Heart Radio, and they said, well, 1522 01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,280 Speaker 1: let's do something about it here on the podcast. Let's 1523 01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:52,559 Speaker 1: do a fundraiser to raise money for Humanity, Hope United 1524 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,320 Speaker 1: and the Grand Farm so that people in Honduras continue 1525 01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,160 Speaker 1: to have jobs and can continue to invest and the 1526 01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:04,240 Speaker 1: sustainability the and the progress of their lives. So, Amy, 1527 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,519 Speaker 1: I would love for you to explain everybody out there 1528 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,200 Speaker 1: listening the details of this fundraiser what it looks. We 1529 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:11,920 Speaker 1: have two big ones coming up, so we're going to 1530 01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,560 Speaker 1: reveal the first one today and basically next week. You 1531 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,880 Speaker 1: can go to if Only dot com and you can 1532 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,800 Speaker 1: bid on a charity auction to come in studio with 1533 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,760 Speaker 1: Ben and Ashley co host the Almost Famous podcast. Then 1534 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,599 Speaker 1: Ben is going to take you to the brand new 1535 01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,960 Speaker 1: Palisades Village where you get a shopping spree at Carbon 1536 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:36,240 Speaker 1: thirty eight, which is like amazing workout clothes. You get 1537 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,960 Speaker 1: to go to Lauren Conrad store and have a shopping 1538 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,360 Speaker 1: spree there. Her news store is called the Little Market 1539 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:43,719 Speaker 1: and it's there's a great story behind the Little Market 1540 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,599 Speaker 1: which I will totally go into. But everything is made 1541 01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,519 Speaker 1: by women in other countries, UM, and all the money 1542 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,000 Speaker 1: goes back into those communities to help those women. And 1543 01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,280 Speaker 1: then Ben's going to take you out to dinner. So 1544 01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,640 Speaker 1: if you go to if only dot com and you 1545 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,920 Speaker 1: can search Ben Higgins, but Ben will post the link 1546 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,200 Speaker 1: on his um Instagram story for us with a swipe up, 1547 01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,760 Speaker 1: and then you can bid right there. And then we 1548 01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,040 Speaker 1: have in a couple more weeks another fundraiser. All I'll 1549 01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:16,000 Speaker 1: tell you is it involves dating someone from the Bachelorette. Oh, 1550 01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:24,040 Speaker 1: Amy Ashley, everybody out there, this is super exciting. I 1551 01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,720 Speaker 1: heart radio. I appreciate it. He many hope you appreciates it. 1552 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:30,360 Speaker 1: Let's raise. We have two dollars to raise by March 1553 01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,760 Speaker 1: of two nineteen. I think we can do it, UM 1554 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,080 Speaker 1: and this is a huge step in that. So Amy, 1555 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much I heard radio. Thank you actually 1556 01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,040 Speaker 1: thank you. Also thank you to bio Clarity. Our listeners 1557 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,719 Speaker 1: will get their first month for off a routine. 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But anybody out there listening 1575 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,640 Speaker 1: that's like, but let's say fifteen to twenty five who 1576 01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:52,000 Speaker 1: probably weren't started. Should we tell them to watch West 1577 01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:56,240 Speaker 1: Wing a million percent? I don't know how to explain it. 1578 01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,200 Speaker 1: Everybody watch a few watch the first season, and get 1579 01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:00,680 Speaker 1: back to me. There's no way you're not going to 1580 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,240 Speaker 1: tell me it's amazing. It's amazing. I watched so much 1581 01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,800 Speaker 1: television and I would put this up there in my 1582 01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:12,200 Speaker 1: top five shows of all time, of all all weekend, 1583 01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:13,559 Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna be mad at you the whole 1584 01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,320 Speaker 1: time because it's gonna be so good. I think you 1585 01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,040 Speaker 1: have like eight years or something. I think he was 1586 01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,320 Speaker 1: did two terms, so there's like six to eight seasons. 1587 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,920 Speaker 1: You got a long way to go. Watch me, kid. Hey, 1588 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,040 Speaker 1: this has been an awesome podcast. Thanks everybody came on, 1589 01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,880 Speaker 1: thanks to our sponsors, Thanks to Heart Radio. With that, 1590 01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:34,479 Speaker 1: I've been been talked to you next week. Follow the 1591 01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart 1592 01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,240 Speaker 1: Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts