1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:23,035 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. The headlines. First, 2 00:00:23,235 --> 00:00:26,195 Speaker 1: Trump still has to go to trial in just one 3 00:00:26,275 --> 00:00:29,795 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty nine days from now, and he still 4 00:00:29,835 --> 00:00:34,075 Speaker 1: apparently does not know that there is no legal mechanism 5 00:00:34,155 --> 00:00:39,555 Speaker 1: for him to appeal. You cannot appeal the judge's court schedule. 6 00:00:40,635 --> 00:00:44,515 Speaker 1: Nor still does at least half the Republican Party understand this, 7 00:00:44,915 --> 00:00:47,595 Speaker 1: Nor still does at least half of all media news 8 00:00:47,875 --> 00:00:53,035 Speaker 1: understand this, including the BBC, And thus in some Trump 9 00:00:53,195 --> 00:01:01,075 Speaker 1: is still royallyft. And after Mark Meadows inexplicably testified for 10 00:01:01,115 --> 00:01:04,235 Speaker 1: more than four hours yesterday trying to get a glorified 11 00:01:04,355 --> 00:01:08,675 Speaker 1: chain venue in the Atlanta election subversion conspiracy trial by 12 00:01:08,755 --> 00:01:15,515 Speaker 1: using a singular strategy of confessing to everything, the judge 13 00:01:15,555 --> 00:01:18,835 Speaker 1: there says he'll have a ruling as soon as possible 14 00:01:18,875 --> 00:01:21,195 Speaker 1: as to whether it stays in local court in Atlanta 15 00:01:21,555 --> 00:01:24,435 Speaker 1: or in a federal court presumably elsewhere in Georgia, with 16 00:01:24,515 --> 00:01:27,635 Speaker 1: a jury pool more favorable to Meadows and Trump. And 17 00:01:27,675 --> 00:01:30,155 Speaker 1: when they say more favorable, of course, they actually mean 18 00:01:30,555 --> 00:01:36,235 Speaker 1: more white. I said here twenty four hours ago that 19 00:01:36,315 --> 00:01:39,595 Speaker 1: if Judge Chuckkin selected a trial date in the federal 20 00:01:39,635 --> 00:01:43,795 Speaker 1: election subversion case, and the date was in January or February. 21 00:01:43,835 --> 00:01:47,435 Speaker 1: It was a sure sign that Trump was ft. And 22 00:01:47,515 --> 00:01:50,675 Speaker 1: I'm given myself this one because March fourth is close 23 00:01:50,795 --> 00:01:54,195 Speaker 1: enough to February. The point of that prediction was that 24 00:01:54,435 --> 00:01:58,115 Speaker 1: such an opening day choice would indicate that Chutkin really 25 00:01:58,355 --> 00:02:03,075 Speaker 1: is going to deploy her plan for disciplining Trump. On 26 00:02:03,275 --> 00:02:06,075 Speaker 1: that fateful Friday when twenty four hours after he said 27 00:02:06,115 --> 00:02:08,675 Speaker 1: he understood that he had to be circumspect in public 28 00:02:08,675 --> 00:02:11,635 Speaker 1: and on social media and could not threaten or harass 29 00:02:11,795 --> 00:02:16,115 Speaker 1: or try to intimidate the witnesses, the prosecutors, the judge, 30 00:02:16,435 --> 00:02:19,315 Speaker 1: and he began a weekend of doing nothing but threatening 31 00:02:19,355 --> 00:02:22,915 Speaker 1: and harassing and intimidating them. Judge Chutkin came back with 32 00:02:22,955 --> 00:02:27,075 Speaker 1: what seemed like a wishy washy response. She wasn't going 33 00:02:27,115 --> 00:02:30,435 Speaker 1: to jail Trump, no matter how much I wished for 34 00:02:30,475 --> 00:02:34,155 Speaker 1: it on my lucky beads. She was going to do 35 00:02:34,195 --> 00:02:38,675 Speaker 1: something far, far worse to him. She was going to 36 00:02:38,755 --> 00:02:41,315 Speaker 1: assume that he was doing all this to try to 37 00:02:41,355 --> 00:02:45,675 Speaker 1: poison the jury pool, like he could think that rationally 38 00:02:45,835 --> 00:02:49,435 Speaker 1: or that far ahead, and so she would just in response, 39 00:02:49,715 --> 00:02:54,275 Speaker 1: speed up the trial to protect the jury pool. The 40 00:02:54,315 --> 00:02:56,755 Speaker 1: prosecution wanted the trial to open one hundred and twenty 41 00:02:56,755 --> 00:02:59,795 Speaker 1: seven days from now. Trump countered with nine hundred and 42 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:04,075 Speaker 1: forty seven days two and a half years. Chutkin's compromise 43 00:03:04,395 --> 00:03:09,075 Speaker 1: re of, Hey, Trump, this is punishment. Please enjoy being 44 00:03:09,515 --> 00:03:15,235 Speaker 1: ft one and eighty nine days. It's glorious, and it 45 00:03:15,315 --> 00:03:18,115 Speaker 1: was accompanied when his lawyers read a short version of 46 00:03:18,155 --> 00:03:21,715 Speaker 1: that schedule for the months ahead for Trump with one 47 00:03:21,955 --> 00:03:27,835 Speaker 1: gigantic so what She compared his upcoming schedule, which I 48 00:03:27,875 --> 00:03:31,155 Speaker 1: will review in full in a moment, and his complaints 49 00:03:31,195 --> 00:03:34,315 Speaker 1: about having to change his dear beloved schedule to a 50 00:03:34,315 --> 00:03:37,995 Speaker 1: theoretical pro athlete, which must have pleased Trump, who really 51 00:03:38,035 --> 00:03:40,835 Speaker 1: does think he would have been Mickey Mantle or Jack Nicklaus, 52 00:03:41,835 --> 00:03:45,395 Speaker 1: complaining that the court dates would conflict with the athlete's 53 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:49,715 Speaker 1: schedule of games and practices. Judge Chutkins said, in legalies, 54 00:03:50,555 --> 00:03:54,555 Speaker 1: who gives a there is one thing here Trump truly 55 00:03:54,675 --> 00:03:59,035 Speaker 1: fears the other essential ingredient besides a guilty verdict that 56 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:02,995 Speaker 1: can put him behind bars, and that is a speedy trial. 57 00:04:03,715 --> 00:04:08,035 Speaker 1: And his knit co defendants, his supposed minions Ken cheesebro 58 00:04:08,155 --> 00:04:11,955 Speaker 1: and Mark Meadows and Sidney Powell all invoked the Georgia's 59 00:04:11,995 --> 00:04:15,835 Speaker 1: speedy trial law, so that one is already on track 60 00:04:15,875 --> 00:04:18,795 Speaker 1: to start nearly two months earlier than originally planned by 61 00:04:18,795 --> 00:04:22,515 Speaker 1: the DA. And now on the federal level, Trump is 62 00:04:22,555 --> 00:04:24,915 Speaker 1: being beaten up by the judge who knows it is 63 00:04:24,955 --> 00:04:28,195 Speaker 1: the one thing Trump truly fears. And we will see 64 00:04:28,195 --> 00:04:34,715 Speaker 1: you on March fourth. Now, as to what Meadows did yesterday, 65 00:04:35,075 --> 00:04:38,035 Speaker 1: I do not get this. I do not get this. 66 00:04:38,755 --> 00:04:42,755 Speaker 1: I do not get this. Mark Meadows went down to 67 00:04:42,835 --> 00:04:46,875 Speaker 1: Georgia and spoke at his own motions hearing and let 68 00:04:46,955 --> 00:04:50,835 Speaker 1: himself be cross examined, and the courtroom was filled with 69 00:04:50,915 --> 00:04:54,315 Speaker 1: lawyers for other defendants looking into this same idea. Get 70 00:04:54,355 --> 00:04:59,675 Speaker 1: this transferred to federal court. And Trump had to listen, 71 00:05:00,115 --> 00:05:06,475 Speaker 1: at least by extension, as Meadows just started talking and talking, 72 00:05:06,715 --> 00:05:10,995 Speaker 1: talking and talking and incriminating self and confessing and contradicting 73 00:05:11,315 --> 00:05:15,595 Speaker 1: and admitting and revealing. And I do not get this. 74 00:05:16,715 --> 00:05:21,195 Speaker 1: I do not get the reward. Here is what happens. 75 00:05:21,675 --> 00:05:25,795 Speaker 1: If the Meadows part gets transferred from Fulton County to 76 00:05:25,995 --> 00:05:31,275 Speaker 1: federal court, or if all of the trials get transferred 77 00:05:31,315 --> 00:05:34,555 Speaker 1: to federal court, you get a trial in a court 78 00:05:34,595 --> 00:05:39,075 Speaker 1: in northern Georgia, so more white people in the jury pool. 79 00:05:40,475 --> 00:05:42,795 Speaker 1: That's it. Here's what you do not get. You do 80 00:05:42,875 --> 00:05:46,915 Speaker 1: not get a different prosecutor. Fani Willis can continue to 81 00:05:46,955 --> 00:05:49,995 Speaker 1: try this case or direct her office's attorneys as they 82 00:05:50,035 --> 00:05:53,555 Speaker 1: try it. You do not get a federal sentencing guideline. 83 00:05:53,635 --> 00:05:55,515 Speaker 1: You do not get a venue in which, if you 84 00:05:55,555 --> 00:05:58,715 Speaker 1: get convicted you can be pardoned by a president. The 85 00:05:58,835 --> 00:06:02,515 Speaker 1: state pardon rules continue to apply, and they deny anybody, 86 00:06:02,515 --> 00:06:05,355 Speaker 1: but the Pardons and Parole Board from pardon anybody, and 87 00:06:05,395 --> 00:06:07,475 Speaker 1: even they can't do it until five years after you've 88 00:06:07,475 --> 00:06:09,955 Speaker 1: served your whole sentence, and only then if you show remorse. 89 00:06:10,075 --> 00:06:11,795 Speaker 1: Ha Trump remorse. 90 00:06:11,875 --> 00:06:12,035 Speaker 2: Huh. 91 00:06:12,955 --> 00:06:18,035 Speaker 1: Now, look, I get it. If you're on trial, especially 92 00:06:18,555 --> 00:06:23,395 Speaker 1: if you happen to be guilty, you need to maximize 93 00:06:23,395 --> 00:06:27,075 Speaker 1: your chances of a racist jury letting you off the hook, 94 00:06:27,195 --> 00:06:32,355 Speaker 1: because it still has not adjusted to appomattox. I get that, 95 00:06:33,435 --> 00:06:36,595 Speaker 1: But why did that mean that Mark Meadows had to 96 00:06:36,675 --> 00:06:41,195 Speaker 1: testify for four hours that Yeah, he was Trump's gatekeeper, 97 00:06:41,195 --> 00:06:43,155 Speaker 1: and he was at every meeting, and he was on 98 00:06:43,275 --> 00:06:45,235 Speaker 1: every phone call, and he was the guy others went 99 00:06:45,275 --> 00:06:47,355 Speaker 1: to to get Trump to listen to them, and he 100 00:06:47,435 --> 00:06:50,755 Speaker 1: went to Georgia and he arranged the Raffensburger phone call, 101 00:06:50,915 --> 00:06:53,035 Speaker 1: and he was in the meeting with the Michigan politicos. 102 00:06:53,035 --> 00:06:56,555 Speaker 1: And wait, wait, wait, wait, that Michigan meeting and the 103 00:06:56,635 --> 00:07:01,515 Speaker 1: Raffensburger call were about overturning the election results in Georgia 104 00:07:01,515 --> 00:07:05,995 Speaker 1: and Michigan. Really, that's what Up meant about those eleven 105 00:07:06,435 --> 00:07:12,715 Speaker 1: seven and ninety votes. I'll be damned. When Meadows was 106 00:07:12,755 --> 00:07:16,995 Speaker 1: not incriminating himself under oath, mind, you easily read back 107 00:07:17,715 --> 00:07:21,395 Speaker 1: as evidence at trial and always admissible, since he was 108 00:07:21,675 --> 00:07:24,835 Speaker 1: under oath at his own request. When Meadows was not 109 00:07:24,915 --> 00:07:29,195 Speaker 1: incriminating himself, Meadows was shoveling so fast he really lost 110 00:07:29,235 --> 00:07:33,675 Speaker 1: the plot. At one point, he said that all he 111 00:07:33,795 --> 00:07:36,875 Speaker 1: knew about the Raffinsburg phone call was that it was 112 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:40,115 Speaker 1: an attempt by Trump to find a quote less litigious 113 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:44,675 Speaker 1: resolution to the Georgia presidential vote. I can see in 114 00:07:44,715 --> 00:07:49,035 Speaker 1: my mind's eye the prosecution lawyers in a neat orderly 115 00:07:49,195 --> 00:07:54,355 Speaker 1: row doing a simultaneous triple spit take. If that's what 116 00:07:54,435 --> 00:07:58,435 Speaker 1: Trump was doing, calling Raffinsburger, hoping to make it all 117 00:07:58,555 --> 00:08:03,195 Speaker 1: less litigious, that means it was to some degree litigious, 118 00:08:03,915 --> 00:08:07,595 Speaker 1: and that means it was a campaign litigation phone call. 119 00:08:08,035 --> 00:08:11,315 Speaker 1: And what the hell is the chief of staff at 120 00:08:11,355 --> 00:08:14,435 Speaker 1: the White House doing on a campaign litigation phone call? 121 00:08:14,595 --> 00:08:17,515 Speaker 1: Because that violates the Hatch Act, And they're not going 122 00:08:17,555 --> 00:08:20,235 Speaker 1: to grant you a federal trial here if the only 123 00:08:20,275 --> 00:08:22,315 Speaker 1: way you can get there is by proving you were 124 00:08:22,355 --> 00:08:26,915 Speaker 1: violating the laws that say what federal administration officials can 125 00:08:26,955 --> 00:08:33,115 Speaker 1: and cannot do. We already know Meadows flipped to Jack 126 00:08:33,195 --> 00:08:38,835 Speaker 1: Smith the whole or in part way of flipping. He 127 00:08:38,875 --> 00:08:42,395 Speaker 1: obviously was the guy who told Smith about the ghostwriter 128 00:08:42,555 --> 00:08:47,475 Speaker 1: publisher Liz Harrington, Mark Milly Iran War Plan revelation meeting, 129 00:08:47,955 --> 00:08:50,915 Speaker 1: and that there was a recording of it. We'll see 130 00:08:50,955 --> 00:08:55,115 Speaker 1: eventually just how badly he actually did flip. But what 131 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:58,395 Speaker 1: he did in Georgia yesterday just brings us back to 132 00:08:58,475 --> 00:09:09,315 Speaker 1: my theme for the day. Trump is royally f So, now, 133 00:09:10,475 --> 00:09:12,875 Speaker 1: with all that out of the way, here is your 134 00:09:12,955 --> 00:09:16,075 Speaker 1: revised Trump schedule for the rest of twenty twenty three 135 00:09:16,235 --> 00:09:18,435 Speaker 1: and early twenty twenty four. And I think it will 136 00:09:18,475 --> 00:09:21,755 Speaker 1: not take you the whole of this list to begin 137 00:09:21,835 --> 00:09:27,515 Speaker 1: to appreciate what has happened to Trump. Almost inadvertently. He 138 00:09:27,755 --> 00:09:33,555 Speaker 1: is now being chased by every judge and every political 139 00:09:33,595 --> 00:09:38,835 Speaker 1: deadline imaginable, and they are beginning to collide with each other. 140 00:09:39,915 --> 00:09:45,955 Speaker 1: Here we go. September sixth. Arraignments for the Trump nineteen Trump, Giuliani, Powell, Eastman, 141 00:09:45,995 --> 00:09:49,035 Speaker 1: the Whole Gang in Fulton County September seventh, the next day, 142 00:09:49,075 --> 00:09:53,515 Speaker 1: Classified discovery productions for the documents trial in Florida September fourteenth. 143 00:09:53,555 --> 00:09:56,635 Speaker 1: The week after that, Section ten notice due to Judge Cannon. 144 00:09:57,155 --> 00:10:00,395 Speaker 1: September twenty seventh, the second Goped debate, which he will 145 00:10:00,395 --> 00:10:04,795 Speaker 1: skip because he really is a coward. October second, the 146 00:10:04,795 --> 00:10:08,195 Speaker 1: start of the Tish James, New York State Trump Organization 147 00:10:08,395 --> 00:10:13,115 Speaker 1: trial that will be three of them in progress at 148 00:10:13,115 --> 00:10:18,155 Speaker 1: the same time. October ninth, All motions due to Judge Chutkin. 149 00:10:18,795 --> 00:10:23,235 Speaker 1: October tenth, Defense Section four challenge forms due to Judge Cannon. 150 00:10:23,995 --> 00:10:28,715 Speaker 1: October seventeenth, Section four hearing before Judge Cannon. October twentieth. 151 00:10:28,995 --> 00:10:32,955 Speaker 1: Live golf match play at the Trump Course in Durral, Florida. 152 00:10:33,115 --> 00:10:36,715 Speaker 1: October twenty one. More golf October twenty two. More golf 153 00:10:36,755 --> 00:10:40,195 Speaker 1: because you can't get enough golf. October twenty three motion 154 00:10:40,355 --> 00:10:43,875 Speaker 1: response is due to Judge Chucken and October twenty three 155 00:10:43,915 --> 00:10:46,235 Speaker 1: is the most recent proposed. First day of the Fulton 156 00:10:46,275 --> 00:10:50,515 Speaker 1: County Trial in Atlanta, November third, pre trial motions due 157 00:10:50,515 --> 00:10:53,995 Speaker 1: to Judge Cannon. November six, Motion replies due to Judge Chutcken. 158 00:10:54,195 --> 00:10:58,395 Speaker 1: November eight. Rule sixteen disclosures due to Judge Cannon. November fifteenth, 159 00:10:58,395 --> 00:11:02,195 Speaker 1: Defense Rule sixteen disclosures due to Judge Cannon, November seventeenth. 160 00:11:02,235 --> 00:11:05,435 Speaker 1: Defense Section five notices due to Judge Cannon. November twenty eighth. 161 00:11:05,435 --> 00:11:11,035 Speaker 1: Status conference with Judge Cannon, December fourth. Evidence submissions due 162 00:11:11,075 --> 00:11:14,995 Speaker 1: to Judge Chutcken. December eleventh. Expert witness lists due to 163 00:11:15,075 --> 00:11:19,115 Speaker 1: Judge Chutcken and free trial motions hearing before Judge Cannon, 164 00:11:20,035 --> 00:11:23,915 Speaker 1: December fifteenth. Section six A motions due to Judge Canon 165 00:11:24,315 --> 00:11:29,155 Speaker 1: December eighteenth. Exhibits list due to Judge Chutcken. December twenty seventh, 166 00:11:29,155 --> 00:11:32,035 Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed Christmas. Motions to suppress evidence due to 167 00:11:32,115 --> 00:11:36,675 Speaker 1: Judge Chutcken, January fourth, Section six A response motions due 168 00:11:36,715 --> 00:11:40,755 Speaker 1: to Judge Canon. January ninth, No no motions on evidence 169 00:11:40,755 --> 00:11:46,155 Speaker 1: suppression due to Judge Chutcken January fifteenth, Jury instructions due 170 00:11:46,155 --> 00:11:52,075 Speaker 1: to Judge Chucken and Iowa caucuses and opening day of 171 00:11:52,155 --> 00:11:58,475 Speaker 1: the second Egen Carroll lawsuit trial next day, January sixteenth, 172 00:11:58,555 --> 00:12:02,355 Speaker 1: Section six A hearing before Judge Cannon January TBD. The 173 00:12:02,435 --> 00:12:06,675 Speaker 1: Hampshire primary January twenty ninth, start after six years of 174 00:12:06,715 --> 00:12:12,395 Speaker 1: that pyramid scheme class action lawsuit against Trump February eighth. 175 00:12:12,395 --> 00:12:16,195 Speaker 1: The Nevada caucuses February twelfth. Joint discovery report to Judge 176 00:12:16,235 --> 00:12:19,675 Speaker 1: Cannon February twenty fourth, Witness lists due to Judge Chutkin 177 00:12:19,995 --> 00:12:24,595 Speaker 1: and South Carolina primary February twenty sixth. Remaining motions Hearing 178 00:12:24,595 --> 00:12:28,355 Speaker 1: before Judge Cannon February twenty seventh. Michigan Primary March two, 179 00:12:28,475 --> 00:12:32,395 Speaker 1: Idaho Caucus March three. District of Columbia primary March fourth, 180 00:12:32,675 --> 00:12:35,995 Speaker 1: opening day of the federal election subversion case. Remember to 181 00:12:36,075 --> 00:12:40,995 Speaker 1: bring Judge Chutkin an Apple March fifth, super Tuesday fourteen. 182 00:12:41,075 --> 00:12:48,235 Speaker 1: Republican primaries March twelfth. Three more primaries, including Georgia, while 183 00:12:48,315 --> 00:12:54,955 Speaker 1: the Georgia trial is certainly underway. March twentieth. Evidence motions 184 00:12:54,955 --> 00:12:57,955 Speaker 1: to Judge Cannon. March twenty fifth, started the Stormy Daniel's 185 00:12:58,035 --> 00:13:01,515 Speaker 1: trial in New York. May twentieth, started the stolen Documents 186 00:13:01,555 --> 00:13:06,555 Speaker 1: trial in Florida. May twenty sixth. Good Golf, Live Golf 187 00:13:06,595 --> 00:13:10,275 Speaker 1: at the Trump Golf Course in Washington. July fifteenth, Republican 188 00:13:10,355 --> 00:13:13,955 Speaker 1: National Convention, and as a side note, that is the 189 00:13:13,995 --> 00:13:17,355 Speaker 1: political wing of the Republican Party holding its national Convention, 190 00:13:17,835 --> 00:13:23,515 Speaker 1: not the paramilitary wing of the Republican Party, and all 191 00:13:23,595 --> 00:13:27,195 Speaker 1: other days should be assumed to be booked for Trump 192 00:13:27,355 --> 00:13:37,995 Speaker 1: to bitch and moan about everything as usual. Two updates. 193 00:13:38,435 --> 00:13:43,035 Speaker 1: All hell has broken loose in Hampshire over fourteen three, 194 00:13:43,155 --> 00:13:46,795 Speaker 1: the disqualification clause Article three of the fourteenth Amendment. The 195 00:13:46,835 --> 00:13:50,115 Speaker 1: balloon headed kid the fascists hired because he can spew 196 00:13:50,195 --> 00:13:53,435 Speaker 1: their drivel for dozens of hours a week. Charlie Kirk 197 00:13:53,955 --> 00:13:57,475 Speaker 1: read the news about Trump's own former New Hampshire Senate candidate, 198 00:13:57,555 --> 00:14:00,715 Speaker 1: Corky Messner, saying he was meeting with the Secretary of 199 00:14:00,715 --> 00:14:04,035 Speaker 1: State there to discuss invoking fourteenth three because although he 200 00:14:04,115 --> 00:14:07,235 Speaker 1: remains a Trump supporter and would vote for Trump, somebody 201 00:14:07,315 --> 00:14:12,195 Speaker 1: has to stand up for the Constitution. And Kirk turned 202 00:14:12,195 --> 00:14:16,195 Speaker 1: it into dumbed it down into something his audience could 203 00:14:16,315 --> 00:14:22,155 Speaker 1: understand Trump betrayed New Hampshire trying ban Trump attacked New Hampshire. 204 00:14:22,675 --> 00:14:27,195 Speaker 1: Send flying monkeys now it's war. The chairman of the 205 00:14:27,195 --> 00:14:30,995 Speaker 1: State Republican Party has attacked Corky Messner. That group I 206 00:14:31,075 --> 00:14:33,955 Speaker 1: mentioned yesterday free Speech for People, with its letters to 207 00:14:34,075 --> 00:14:36,835 Speaker 1: all fifty state Secretaries of State, well, its letter to 208 00:14:36,875 --> 00:14:39,235 Speaker 1: the one in New Hampshire has gotten there. David Scanlan, 209 00:14:39,675 --> 00:14:42,835 Speaker 1: Secretary of State. Now he's going to the Attorney General 210 00:14:42,875 --> 00:14:45,995 Speaker 1: to find out what the Attorney General thinks. And Scanlan 211 00:14:46,115 --> 00:14:50,035 Speaker 1: is also still answering all the calls from the Flying 212 00:14:50,075 --> 00:14:58,795 Speaker 1: Monkeys because Charlie Kirk's listeners busted the switchboard. And the 213 00:14:58,835 --> 00:15:02,275 Speaker 1: second update, we have a clarification from Jacksonville's tenth district 214 00:15:02,315 --> 00:15:06,755 Speaker 1: and councilwoman Jacoby Pittman, who and big props to her, 215 00:15:06,955 --> 00:15:11,035 Speaker 1: gets it. She understands when the crowd at the Jacksonville 216 00:15:11,035 --> 00:15:14,315 Speaker 1: shooting vigil booed and heckled Ron de Santis on Sunday night, 217 00:15:14,595 --> 00:15:17,235 Speaker 1: and she took the mic back from DeSantis and told 218 00:15:17,275 --> 00:15:20,355 Speaker 1: them that this was not about parties today and that 219 00:15:20,395 --> 00:15:24,435 Speaker 1: a bullet doesn't know a party. She was, by her 220 00:15:24,475 --> 00:15:29,315 Speaker 1: own admission embracing the lesser of two evils. MS. Pittman says, firstly, 221 00:15:29,915 --> 00:15:33,635 Speaker 1: Governor DeSantis was never supposed to speak at the vigil. 222 00:15:34,035 --> 00:15:36,235 Speaker 1: He was supposed to just show up and to be 223 00:15:36,355 --> 00:15:41,675 Speaker 1: introduced by the moderator and just be there. A reasonable thing, 224 00:15:41,835 --> 00:15:44,315 Speaker 1: no matter how much this man is a fascist, A 225 00:15:44,395 --> 00:15:48,795 Speaker 1: reasonable thing for governor to do, to just be there. Then, 226 00:15:49,075 --> 00:15:52,475 Speaker 1: to the councilwoman's shock, the moderator called DeSantis up to 227 00:15:52,635 --> 00:15:57,675 Speaker 1: give remarks. Instead of saying something smart like I grieve 228 00:15:57,675 --> 00:15:59,955 Speaker 1: with you, I'll do everything my office is capable of 229 00:15:59,995 --> 00:16:01,915 Speaker 1: doing for you, and out of respect, I will now 230 00:16:01,955 --> 00:16:06,675 Speaker 1: sit my ass down, Dysantis instead went into a speech 231 00:16:07,355 --> 00:16:09,835 Speaker 1: about how he was going to cover the security costs 232 00:16:10,195 --> 00:16:14,115 Speaker 1: at the original target of the murderer, Edward Waters University 233 00:16:14,155 --> 00:16:20,915 Speaker 1: and HBCU, and he this, and he that. The councilwoman 234 00:16:20,995 --> 00:16:24,595 Speaker 1: said at that point she knew trouble loomed, The crowd 235 00:16:24,995 --> 00:16:29,675 Speaker 1: knew DeSantis's racist complicity. It was not about to forget it. 236 00:16:29,995 --> 00:16:32,595 Speaker 1: So she reclaimed the floor in a manner of speaking 237 00:16:32,635 --> 00:16:35,435 Speaker 1: and gave her brief speech about not being political, and 238 00:16:35,555 --> 00:16:39,155 Speaker 1: everybody went home in one piece. DeSantis and his grinning 239 00:16:39,235 --> 00:16:42,835 Speaker 1: idiot of a wife with him. I do not support 240 00:16:42,835 --> 00:16:48,875 Speaker 1: his policies, Pittman explained. I appreciate the difficulty of her 241 00:16:48,875 --> 00:16:52,155 Speaker 1: position in the moment, and I appreciate how easy it 242 00:16:52,235 --> 00:16:54,995 Speaker 1: is to second guess that moment from the safety of 243 00:16:55,075 --> 00:16:58,555 Speaker 1: thousands of miles away. The problem is the second half 244 00:16:58,635 --> 00:17:04,275 Speaker 1: of her statement will now achieve immortality. The first part 245 00:17:04,795 --> 00:17:09,395 Speaker 1: would have been sufficient today is not about political parties. Great, 246 00:17:10,355 --> 00:17:12,355 Speaker 1: But the second part, the part about a bullet not 247 00:17:12,475 --> 00:17:17,315 Speaker 1: knowing a party, that will be played forever every time 248 00:17:17,395 --> 00:17:23,395 Speaker 1: there is a shooting in fascist media. Fox may start 249 00:17:23,435 --> 00:17:29,075 Speaker 1: its own channel with just that SoundBite forever, because mass 250 00:17:29,075 --> 00:17:33,875 Speaker 1: shootings happen because of the Republican Party, and therefore the 251 00:17:33,995 --> 00:17:39,235 Speaker 1: Republican Party will use anything said by any Democrat that 252 00:17:39,315 --> 00:17:45,595 Speaker 1: can seemingly reduce its guilt, responsibility, and culpability by one 253 00:17:45,995 --> 00:17:56,635 Speaker 1: one millionth of one percent. Also of interest here, Tucker 254 00:17:56,715 --> 00:18:00,635 Speaker 1: Carlson says it's good for a man to get fired. 255 00:18:01,835 --> 00:18:08,675 Speaker 1: Well heard him on this. This is four times he's 256 00:18:08,715 --> 00:18:11,115 Speaker 1: been fired. Now that's next. This is countdown. 257 00:18:13,675 --> 00:18:17,395 Speaker 2: This is countdown with Keith Olberman. 258 00:18:18,515 --> 00:18:30,155 Speaker 1: Alberman postscripts to the news, some headlines, some updates, some snart, 259 00:18:30,235 --> 00:18:33,795 Speaker 1: some prediction, State Line, Washington, d C. If you think 260 00:18:33,835 --> 00:18:37,755 Speaker 1: the current chief of the ludicrous Judicial Watch, Tom Fitten 261 00:18:38,315 --> 00:18:41,235 Speaker 1: is a moron, the guy who isn't a lawyer but 262 00:18:41,315 --> 00:18:44,155 Speaker 1: tells Trump want to do legally, well, you never met 263 00:18:44,235 --> 00:18:48,155 Speaker 1: the previous chief, Larry Kleiman, ousted by the outfit years 264 00:18:48,195 --> 00:18:51,475 Speaker 1: ago and now running a knockoff called Freedom Watch. He 265 00:18:51,555 --> 00:18:53,755 Speaker 1: has popped back into the news by claiming that a 266 00:18:53,795 --> 00:18:57,835 Speaker 1: citizen grand jury has indicted President Biden and members of 267 00:18:57,875 --> 00:19:00,635 Speaker 1: his family, and then, after a quote citizens trial, a 268 00:19:00,715 --> 00:19:06,435 Speaker 1: quote citizen's judge has handed down felony conviction. Claiman has 269 00:19:06,555 --> 00:19:10,675 Speaker 1: emailed his followers phony videos and evidence and says the 270 00:19:10,715 --> 00:19:15,795 Speaker 1: sentencing will be today. Quote. We will then commission established 271 00:19:15,875 --> 00:19:18,195 Speaker 1: law enforcement and the military to take Biden and his 272 00:19:18,275 --> 00:19:20,555 Speaker 1: son and his brother into custody if they don't turn 273 00:19:20,595 --> 00:19:24,795 Speaker 1: themselves in and frankly put them in the slammer. Claiman 274 00:19:24,875 --> 00:19:28,355 Speaker 1: also denounced the Marxian Jewish left and called for a 275 00:19:28,435 --> 00:19:32,715 Speaker 1: counter revolution. And if this sounds like QAnon, yeah, but 276 00:19:33,075 --> 00:19:36,275 Speaker 1: Claiman's motive is even more cynical. He's doing all this 277 00:19:36,435 --> 00:19:40,995 Speaker 1: as part of a fundraiser for his Erzat's Judicial Watch. 278 00:19:41,795 --> 00:19:46,315 Speaker 1: He is fundraising off QAnon. He did this once. With Obama, 279 00:19:46,395 --> 00:19:48,675 Speaker 1: he held a rally he claimed would force people to 280 00:19:48,955 --> 00:19:52,835 Speaker 1: force him to resign. Did he resign? Did Obama resign 281 00:19:52,835 --> 00:20:00,915 Speaker 1: as president? Anybody remember Obama? Dateline, Maine, somewhere Bear in 282 00:20:00,955 --> 00:20:05,395 Speaker 1: the Woods main Tucker Carlson has revealed the great secret 283 00:20:05,395 --> 00:20:08,035 Speaker 1: of life. He has announced that getting fired by Fox 284 00:20:08,115 --> 00:20:10,875 Speaker 1: was a good thing because quote, the problem with men 285 00:20:10,875 --> 00:20:15,155 Speaker 1: who are successful is that they start to think they're Jesus. 286 00:20:15,635 --> 00:20:19,435 Speaker 1: Getting fired reminds you you are just a ridiculous person, 287 00:20:19,515 --> 00:20:22,395 Speaker 1: and in the end you'll die alone. Men need to 288 00:20:22,395 --> 00:20:27,155 Speaker 1: be humiliated fairly regularly to keep their souls pure. Well, 289 00:20:27,555 --> 00:20:30,755 Speaker 1: by that measure, I guess Zucker Carlson's soul is the 290 00:20:30,835 --> 00:20:35,195 Speaker 1: purest in the world. Fox makes it. Four different news 291 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:38,115 Speaker 1: outlets that have now fired him CNN in two thousand 292 00:20:38,155 --> 00:20:42,155 Speaker 1: and five, PBS in two thousand and five, MSNBC in 293 00:20:42,195 --> 00:20:45,235 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and Fox in twenty twenty three. 294 00:20:45,715 --> 00:21:15,435 Speaker 1: And still, oddly enough, he thinks he's Jesus. Thank you, 295 00:21:15,555 --> 00:21:20,715 Speaker 1: Nancy Faust. Dateline, Toledo, Ohio. Joe Wurzelbacher is dead. He 296 00:21:20,795 --> 00:21:23,915 Speaker 1: was famous, then infamous, then a running joke during the 297 00:21:23,955 --> 00:21:28,275 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight presidential campaign as Joe the Plumber. 298 00:21:28,595 --> 00:21:31,595 Speaker 1: In fact, he was a former plumber who asked Barack 299 00:21:31,635 --> 00:21:36,155 Speaker 1: Obama a tax policy question reportedly supplied by GOP operatives 300 00:21:36,435 --> 00:21:39,555 Speaker 1: during an Obama walking tour of Ohio during the two 301 00:21:39,595 --> 00:21:43,035 Speaker 1: thousand and eight campaign. Turned out, most of Wurzelbacher's story 302 00:21:43,115 --> 00:21:45,875 Speaker 1: was made up or exaggerated, and it didn't help that 303 00:21:46,035 --> 00:21:49,755 Speaker 1: John McCain basically grabbed Joe the Plumber and made one 304 00:21:50,235 --> 00:21:54,435 Speaker 1: entire debate against Obama about Joe the Plumber. He said 305 00:21:54,515 --> 00:21:59,275 Speaker 1: Joe the Plumber twenty five times. Wurzelbacher himself later ran 306 00:21:59,315 --> 00:22:02,435 Speaker 1: for Marcie Captors seat in Congress, and then in a 307 00:22:02,475 --> 00:22:05,715 Speaker 1: campaign commercial he compared gun control to the Holocaust. He 308 00:22:05,835 --> 00:22:09,115 Speaker 1: got smoked. He said the Jewish victims had died because 309 00:22:09,115 --> 00:22:11,795 Speaker 1: of gun control that he said had been enacted by 310 00:22:11,835 --> 00:22:15,315 Speaker 1: the Nazis in nineteen thirty nine, when he ran for 311 00:22:15,675 --> 00:22:19,635 Speaker 1: the Ohio congressional seat as a Republican. Of course, this 312 00:22:19,835 --> 00:22:21,915 Speaker 1: was still the kind of thing you did not say, 313 00:22:22,355 --> 00:22:24,155 Speaker 1: as opposed to the kind of thing that you would 314 00:22:24,195 --> 00:22:28,835 Speaker 1: now say to get the home nomination. In a while, 315 00:22:29,315 --> 00:22:46,355 Speaker 1: Joe Wurzelbacher was forty nine years old, still ahead on countdown. 316 00:22:46,395 --> 00:22:48,955 Speaker 1: He used to be asked every day and millions actually 317 00:22:49,035 --> 00:22:52,115 Speaker 1: wondered where he was and if they had won the 318 00:22:52,195 --> 00:22:54,955 Speaker 1: contest on the Today Show. Where in the world is 319 00:22:54,995 --> 00:23:00,835 Speaker 1: Matt Lower? Yeah, The current answer is, well, we're hoping hell. 320 00:23:01,515 --> 00:23:04,835 Speaker 1: The Daily Beasts Confier reports that Lower, who began to 321 00:23:04,875 --> 00:23:08,595 Speaker 1: explore trying to restart his media career last February by 322 00:23:08,675 --> 00:23:13,195 Speaker 1: means of doing a podcast a podcast, who does a 323 00:23:13,235 --> 00:23:18,035 Speaker 1: podcast anyway? Daily Beast now says he's apparently given up 324 00:23:18,075 --> 00:23:20,875 Speaker 1: on it. Quote Lower hung up on Confider when reached 325 00:23:20,915 --> 00:23:25,795 Speaker 1: for comment. Lucky Confighter, it's a good reason to retell 326 00:23:25,835 --> 00:23:27,835 Speaker 1: the story of me and Matt Lauer and how all 327 00:23:27,875 --> 00:23:30,355 Speaker 1: of us at NBC in those days knew not that 328 00:23:30,395 --> 00:23:33,435 Speaker 1: he was violent, but that he was a manipulative bastard. 329 00:23:33,595 --> 00:23:36,715 Speaker 1: Coming up in things I promise not to tell. First 330 00:23:36,755 --> 00:23:40,595 Speaker 1: the daily roundup of the miscreants and morons and Dunnan 331 00:23:40,675 --> 00:23:45,155 Speaker 1: Kruger effects specimens who constitute Today's Where in the world 332 00:23:45,155 --> 00:23:48,595 Speaker 1: are the worst persons in the world The Bronze Melanie 333 00:23:48,715 --> 00:23:54,075 Speaker 1: zannave CNN more clueless Access journalism about the House selects 334 00:23:54,115 --> 00:23:58,595 Speaker 1: subcommittee to obstruct justice or whatever it's called. Quote, House 335 00:23:58,635 --> 00:24:02,435 Speaker 1: Speaker Kevin McCarthy and top Republicans have begun to strategize 336 00:24:02,515 --> 00:24:05,675 Speaker 1: about how to move forward with an impeach meant inquiry. 337 00:24:06,355 --> 00:24:11,195 Speaker 1: She begins her story. Not until the ninth paragraph does 338 00:24:11,195 --> 00:24:14,155 Speaker 1: Melanie Znona bother to mention that Republicans have only quote 339 00:24:14,235 --> 00:24:18,075 Speaker 1: unverified allegations, neither of which Republicans have been able to confirm. 340 00:24:18,475 --> 00:24:20,555 Speaker 1: Even some Republicans are still not convinced that they have 341 00:24:20,635 --> 00:24:24,675 Speaker 1: uncovered any evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors. Ninth paragraph 342 00:24:25,355 --> 00:24:27,875 Speaker 1: to mention, No, by the way, the Republicans, this is 343 00:24:27,955 --> 00:24:30,915 Speaker 1: just another political stunt, because that's all they do. That 344 00:24:31,075 --> 00:24:34,755 Speaker 1: and coups. I mean, if you're going to both sides 345 00:24:35,275 --> 00:24:38,835 Speaker 1: a story about a phony impeachment, maybe you should put 346 00:24:38,875 --> 00:24:46,115 Speaker 1: both sides in the first, say two paragraphs. The runners up, 347 00:24:46,155 --> 00:24:49,155 Speaker 1: the National Rifle Association, they would have been embarrassed by 348 00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:52,595 Speaker 1: the article by Melanie Zonona. The NRA tweeted an image 349 00:24:52,635 --> 00:24:55,435 Speaker 1: of the President's quote that nobody needs an ar fifteen 350 00:24:55,835 --> 00:24:58,635 Speaker 1: period with the claim. And they make this claim the 351 00:24:58,715 --> 00:25:02,315 Speaker 1: day between the latest two mass shootings. Quote, millions of 352 00:25:02,435 --> 00:25:06,475 Speaker 1: law abiding citizens own and use a fifteens to defend 353 00:25:06,515 --> 00:25:11,555 Speaker 1: themselves and their families. Turns out research indicates maybe it's 354 00:25:11,595 --> 00:25:15,715 Speaker 1: not millions. According to the Gun Violence Archives, the number 355 00:25:15,875 --> 00:25:19,955 Speaker 1: of Americans who used AR fifteens to defend themselves last 356 00:25:20,035 --> 00:25:28,715 Speaker 1: year was four, not millions, four not four hundred, four, 357 00:25:28,835 --> 00:25:32,835 Speaker 1: not four thousand and four, not forty four. One stopping 358 00:25:32,835 --> 00:25:35,715 Speaker 1: a shooter, one stopping a robbery of a gun seller, 359 00:25:36,275 --> 00:25:41,635 Speaker 1: and two stopping home invasions. Four not millions, four AR fifteens. 360 00:25:42,755 --> 00:25:47,635 Speaker 1: But our winner, Florida Congressman Byron Donalds, who represents the 361 00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:50,475 Speaker 1: county of Trumpville. Apparently I've said this before and I'll 362 00:25:50,515 --> 00:25:53,355 Speaker 1: say it again. Democracy survives not because of the efforts 363 00:25:53,395 --> 00:25:55,875 Speaker 1: of those of us trying to preserve it, but because 364 00:25:55,875 --> 00:25:59,235 Speaker 1: of the stupidity of people trying to destroy it. Like 365 00:25:59,395 --> 00:26:03,395 Speaker 1: not so bright Byron over here from his tweet yesterday, 366 00:26:03,515 --> 00:26:08,395 Speaker 1: quote Joe and his party shuddered schools, forced masks on 367 00:26:08,475 --> 00:26:12,195 Speaker 1: their faces, and put vaccines in their arms, all while 368 00:26:12,235 --> 00:26:14,635 Speaker 1: holding our children back in ways that will have long 369 00:26:14,755 --> 00:26:22,675 Speaker 1: lasting impacts. Blah blah blah blah blah Byron Congresson Congressman 370 00:26:22,715 --> 00:26:28,115 Speaker 1: Donald's mister ask clown of Florida who was the who 371 00:26:28,155 --> 00:26:30,835 Speaker 1: was the president when the schools were shuttered for the pandemic? 372 00:26:31,835 --> 00:26:34,275 Speaker 1: What year did the masks go on faces? What year 373 00:26:34,355 --> 00:26:38,555 Speaker 1: was the pandemic when it started? Who rolled out the vaccines? 374 00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:41,795 Speaker 1: And boasted that we had to give him personal credit 375 00:26:41,835 --> 00:26:45,235 Speaker 1: for it? Again and again and again. The answers Byron 376 00:26:45,435 --> 00:26:51,195 Speaker 1: are Trump twenty twenty and Trump Congressman. Byron, you couldn't 377 00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:54,395 Speaker 1: be doing more for the Democratic Party if they paid you. 378 00:26:54,755 --> 00:27:17,875 Speaker 1: Donald's two days worse person. And to the number one 379 00:27:17,915 --> 00:27:20,395 Speaker 1: story on the countdown and my favorite topic, me and 380 00:27:20,475 --> 00:27:22,915 Speaker 1: things I promised not to tell. And somebody asked me 381 00:27:22,955 --> 00:27:25,675 Speaker 1: the other day, whatever happened to Matt Lower? And I said, 382 00:27:25,715 --> 00:27:28,475 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope it was unpleasant. If 383 00:27:28,515 --> 00:27:31,075 Speaker 1: the name Matt Lower is remembered at all today, it 384 00:27:31,115 --> 00:27:34,315 Speaker 1: is for two facts. One but he was the face 385 00:27:34,355 --> 00:27:38,275 Speaker 1: of NBC News until November twenty ninth, twenty seventeen, when 386 00:27:38,275 --> 00:27:41,995 Speaker 1: the network suddenly announced there were credible allegations against him 387 00:27:41,995 --> 00:27:45,595 Speaker 1: of sexual misconduct and that he had been fired effective immediately. 388 00:27:46,115 --> 00:27:50,035 Speaker 1: And two the lesser known fact that everybody at NBC 389 00:27:50,155 --> 00:27:53,675 Speaker 1: knew he was an evil figure who dominated all of 390 00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:56,795 Speaker 1: management at thirty Rock and in many cases coerced them 391 00:27:57,035 --> 00:28:00,355 Speaker 1: into looking the other way despite decades of abuse of 392 00:28:00,355 --> 00:28:04,475 Speaker 1: women employees and of bullying and retribution against male employees 393 00:28:04,515 --> 00:28:08,195 Speaker 1: and putting other people on TV. This was so well 394 00:28:08,235 --> 00:28:11,115 Speaker 1: known inside NBC News that even some of us who 395 00:28:11,115 --> 00:28:13,315 Speaker 1: had left and had been gone for years knew in 396 00:28:13,395 --> 00:28:16,275 Speaker 1: advance he was to be fired. I found out like 397 00:28:16,995 --> 00:28:21,795 Speaker 1: four days before it happened, and much of the bad conduct, 398 00:28:21,835 --> 00:28:24,515 Speaker 1: at least the bad conduct in the office involving the 399 00:28:24,515 --> 00:28:28,155 Speaker 1: mail employees, I saw happen in real time. When I 400 00:28:28,195 --> 00:28:31,635 Speaker 1: returned to NBC in February two thousand and three. I 401 00:28:31,795 --> 00:28:35,315 Speaker 1: was one of Lower's favorites. For some reason. My show 402 00:28:35,515 --> 00:28:38,715 Speaker 1: Countdown was the last program he watched before he went 403 00:28:38,755 --> 00:28:42,075 Speaker 1: to sleep, or maybe more correctly, before he went to bed. 404 00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:45,195 Speaker 1: He used to do these moronic where in the world 405 00:28:45,315 --> 00:28:47,915 Speaker 1: is Matt Lower segments in which it created video clues 406 00:28:48,195 --> 00:28:51,035 Speaker 1: as to his whereabouts that would run on the Today Show. 407 00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:53,435 Speaker 1: And one day one of his producers called and said 408 00:28:53,515 --> 00:28:55,595 Speaker 1: Lower was such a fan of Countdown he wanted to 409 00:28:55,595 --> 00:28:59,795 Speaker 1: do a special clue just for Countdown. Well, we had 410 00:28:59,835 --> 00:29:02,995 Speaker 1: like two hundred thousand viewers a night. We took whatever 411 00:29:03,035 --> 00:29:07,635 Speaker 1: we could get some free Matt Lower. Sure. By the way, 412 00:29:07,675 --> 00:29:10,675 Speaker 1: I was reminded recently that one MSNBC wag used to 413 00:29:10,715 --> 00:29:13,675 Speaker 1: answer that rhetorical question where in the world is Matt 414 00:29:13,755 --> 00:29:18,155 Speaker 1: Lower by answering in the bedroom of somebody else's wife 415 00:29:18,195 --> 00:29:22,555 Speaker 1: anyway lower. If you think the Republican's ability to turn 416 00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:26,355 Speaker 1: any tragedy into a political issue is something new, or 417 00:29:26,395 --> 00:29:29,355 Speaker 1: that television's ability to turn any tragedy into ratings is 418 00:29:29,395 --> 00:29:32,395 Speaker 1: something new, or that Matt Lower's ability to make anything 419 00:29:32,515 --> 00:29:37,555 Speaker 1: worse was something new, consider the case of Terry Schivo. 420 00:29:37,795 --> 00:29:40,835 Speaker 1: Terry Schivo was a woman in Florida, twenty six years old, 421 00:29:40,915 --> 00:29:44,915 Speaker 1: struck by cardiac arrest. It did not kill her, but 422 00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:47,715 Speaker 1: it left her in a living nightmare. She was in 423 00:29:47,795 --> 00:29:52,515 Speaker 1: a quote persistent vegetative state, not brain dead, but neither 424 00:29:52,675 --> 00:29:57,515 Speaker 1: was she conscious. And worse, her eyes were open and 425 00:29:57,595 --> 00:30:01,635 Speaker 1: her head moved constantly and involuntarily and in a regular pattern. 426 00:30:02,835 --> 00:30:06,195 Speaker 1: Her parents, I guess, undert standably, unwilling to accept this 427 00:30:06,435 --> 00:30:10,475 Speaker 1: terrible fate, quickly discovered that if you moved a balloon 428 00:30:10,835 --> 00:30:14,475 Speaker 1: through her hospital room, Terry Shibo's head and gaze would 429 00:30:14,555 --> 00:30:18,315 Speaker 1: seem to follow the balloon. Unfortunately, if you did not 430 00:30:18,795 --> 00:30:21,515 Speaker 1: move a balloon through her hospital room, Terry Shibo's head 431 00:30:21,515 --> 00:30:24,635 Speaker 1: and gaze would still follow the same exact path as 432 00:30:24,675 --> 00:30:28,475 Speaker 1: it did when there was a balloon. Her husband, Michael, 433 00:30:28,875 --> 00:30:30,955 Speaker 1: spent seven years in the courts trying to get his 434 00:30:30,995 --> 00:30:34,595 Speaker 1: wife's feeding tube removed and thus release her and him 435 00:30:34,715 --> 00:30:38,635 Speaker 1: and everybody in the family from this living hell. And 436 00:30:38,835 --> 00:30:42,035 Speaker 1: her parents fought him, and finally in two thousand and three, 437 00:30:42,275 --> 00:30:46,035 Speaker 1: the parents went public. They showed video of their daughter 438 00:30:46,635 --> 00:30:49,835 Speaker 1: her head following that balloon around the hospital room. They 439 00:30:49,875 --> 00:30:53,715 Speaker 1: contacted every politician who would take their call. The Republican 440 00:30:53,835 --> 00:30:57,395 Speaker 1: leader in the Senate, doctor Bill Frist of Tennessee, a 441 00:30:57,515 --> 00:31:00,675 Speaker 1: heart surgeon, said on the Senate floor that, of course 442 00:31:00,675 --> 00:31:04,715 Speaker 1: he could not diagnose a patient just from a videotape, 443 00:31:04,755 --> 00:31:07,595 Speaker 1: And then he proceeded to diagnose a patient just from 444 00:31:07,635 --> 00:31:10,755 Speaker 1: a videotape. He said on the Senate floor. She should 445 00:31:10,835 --> 00:31:15,115 Speaker 1: not be taken off life support. The Chibos eventually got 446 00:31:15,115 --> 00:31:18,155 Speaker 1: Republicans to pass a bill in the House and Senate 447 00:31:18,475 --> 00:31:21,835 Speaker 1: taking her case away from the Florida courts and putting 448 00:31:21,835 --> 00:31:25,315 Speaker 1: it into the federal courts, and President George W. Bush 449 00:31:25,355 --> 00:31:29,035 Speaker 1: actually flew back from vacation in Texas to Washington just 450 00:31:29,115 --> 00:31:34,235 Speaker 1: to sign that law on camera. Of course, this was 451 00:31:34,275 --> 00:31:37,195 Speaker 1: a topic for all of tabloid television, and for all 452 00:31:37,235 --> 00:31:40,515 Speaker 1: of tabloid television that pretends it is not tabloid television, 453 00:31:40,995 --> 00:31:43,795 Speaker 1: like the Today Show, and it went on for months. 454 00:31:44,515 --> 00:31:47,315 Speaker 1: Eventually there was a pack of guests willing to appear 455 00:31:47,355 --> 00:31:50,955 Speaker 1: on your show and imply cleverly that Michael Schaibo had 456 00:31:51,035 --> 00:31:54,275 Speaker 1: caused his wife's vegetative state and was now trying to 457 00:31:54,355 --> 00:31:58,955 Speaker 1: quote finish the job from my own network. Joe Scarborough, 458 00:31:58,955 --> 00:32:02,275 Speaker 1: who had been a lawyer, put on Terry Schibo's brother 459 00:32:02,355 --> 00:32:05,875 Speaker 1: and sister, and they both implied their quote foul play. 460 00:32:06,635 --> 00:32:09,435 Speaker 1: Joey scars put it this way, I am quoting him. 461 00:32:10,075 --> 00:32:13,075 Speaker 1: They can attack every last person who is trying to 462 00:32:13,155 --> 00:32:17,235 Speaker 1: save this young woman from starvation. But in the Americans 463 00:32:17,475 --> 00:32:21,395 Speaker 1: shocked by this macabre chapter in American politics, we'll see 464 00:32:21,395 --> 00:32:24,355 Speaker 1: the Democrats as the party on the side of death 465 00:32:24,755 --> 00:32:30,955 Speaker 1: and see George Bush as the defender of defenseless. Unquote 466 00:32:31,195 --> 00:32:35,995 Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough, MSNBC. Joe Scarborough is a jackass and a fraud. 467 00:32:36,595 --> 00:32:39,555 Speaker 1: If you watch his show, you are getting hustled. If 468 00:32:39,595 --> 00:32:43,915 Speaker 1: you go on his show. There's another word for that anyway. 469 00:32:43,995 --> 00:32:47,595 Speaker 1: Finally sanity prevailed. A court ordered the feeding tube removed. 470 00:32:47,635 --> 00:32:50,315 Speaker 1: In March two thousand and five. Two weeks later, Terry 471 00:32:50,315 --> 00:32:53,715 Speaker 1: Schaibo died. The autopsy showed her brain was half its 472 00:32:53,755 --> 00:32:58,475 Speaker 1: normal size. It had been irreversibly damaged fifteen years earlier. 473 00:32:58,515 --> 00:33:01,515 Speaker 1: There were no signs of physical trauma, not the slightest 474 00:33:01,555 --> 00:33:06,635 Speaker 1: indication of foul play. In January of two thousand and six, 475 00:33:06,715 --> 00:33:10,275 Speaker 1: I got a phone call. It was Michael Schaivo. He said, 476 00:33:10,435 --> 00:33:12,675 Speaker 1: rather matter of factly, that he had tried to avoid 477 00:33:12,715 --> 00:33:16,595 Speaker 1: watching as the tragedy he and his wife endured was 478 00:33:16,635 --> 00:33:19,835 Speaker 1: turned into a multi network soap opera. But he found 479 00:33:19,915 --> 00:33:22,075 Speaker 1: that there was one reporter who tried to balance the 480 00:33:22,155 --> 00:33:25,595 Speaker 1: hysteria and to treat him fairly, and that that was me. 481 00:33:26,315 --> 00:33:27,955 Speaker 1: And he wanted to know if I wanted to be 482 00:33:27,995 --> 00:33:31,755 Speaker 1: the first person to interview him. Nothing fancy, he said. 483 00:33:32,075 --> 00:33:34,035 Speaker 1: This guy, Matt Lower, he said, had been calling him 484 00:33:34,075 --> 00:33:35,555 Speaker 1: once a week and wanted to walk with him on 485 00:33:35,595 --> 00:33:38,315 Speaker 1: the beaches of Florida and do a three hour interview 486 00:33:38,395 --> 00:33:41,755 Speaker 1: for Today in Nightly News and Dateline and MSNBC. Michael 487 00:33:41,795 --> 00:33:43,675 Speaker 1: Chaibo didn't want to do any of that, and he 488 00:33:43,715 --> 00:33:46,995 Speaker 1: didn't like Matt Lauer at all, and he was thinking 489 00:33:46,995 --> 00:33:48,315 Speaker 1: if he had to sit down with one of the 490 00:33:48,315 --> 00:33:51,435 Speaker 1: celebrity interviewers, it would probably be Diane Sawyer, but he 491 00:33:51,435 --> 00:33:54,995 Speaker 1: hadn't made up his mind yet. What Michael Schaibo wondered 492 00:33:55,115 --> 00:33:56,915 Speaker 1: was if he could just go to a studio in 493 00:33:56,955 --> 00:34:00,395 Speaker 1: Tampa one morning before work and have me go to 494 00:34:00,475 --> 00:34:03,915 Speaker 1: a studio in New York and I could interview him remotely, 495 00:34:04,995 --> 00:34:05,715 Speaker 1: well naturally. 496 00:34:05,795 --> 00:34:06,595 Speaker 2: And I said yes. 497 00:34:07,115 --> 00:34:09,315 Speaker 1: So on February first, two thousand and six, I got 498 00:34:09,355 --> 00:34:11,875 Speaker 1: up way earlier than usual. I went into thirty Rock, 499 00:34:11,915 --> 00:34:14,315 Speaker 1: I got into a studio. I taped an interview with 500 00:34:14,355 --> 00:34:19,235 Speaker 1: Michael Schaibo. Bluntly, he was as dull an interviewee as 501 00:34:19,235 --> 00:34:22,395 Speaker 1: I could imagine, and my questions were deliberately not hysterical. 502 00:34:22,435 --> 00:34:25,515 Speaker 1: But it was a good, factual interview, and for a 503 00:34:25,555 --> 00:34:28,675 Speaker 1: network that struggled as much as MSNBC, it was a 504 00:34:28,715 --> 00:34:32,435 Speaker 1: big deal just for journalistic credibility, just to balance what 505 00:34:32,555 --> 00:34:36,235 Speaker 1: we had been playing on the Scarborough Show. Everybody at 506 00:34:36,315 --> 00:34:38,675 Speaker 1: NBC News knew we were doing it. We recorded it 507 00:34:38,755 --> 00:34:44,235 Speaker 1: at NBC News using NBC News control rooms and videotape. 508 00:34:44,475 --> 00:34:47,275 Speaker 1: Everybody knew, including the president of NBC News, Steve Cappus, 509 00:34:47,555 --> 00:34:51,795 Speaker 1: and the executive producers of Today, Nightly News Dateline, all 510 00:34:51,795 --> 00:34:54,035 Speaker 1: of whom were interested in using clips of the interview. 511 00:34:54,715 --> 00:34:57,035 Speaker 1: After I finished, I went and visited the executive in 512 00:34:57,155 --> 00:35:00,435 Speaker 1: charge of MSNBC in his office at thirty Rock. Then 513 00:35:00,475 --> 00:35:02,515 Speaker 1: I went home and I took a nap before I 514 00:35:02,555 --> 00:35:05,795 Speaker 1: went into MSNBC in the late afternoon to prepare my 515 00:35:05,835 --> 00:35:10,035 Speaker 1: eight pm show. When the phone rang there, it was 516 00:35:10,075 --> 00:35:15,155 Speaker 1: Steve CAPPIs, President of NBC News. Look, you've interfered with 517 00:35:15,195 --> 00:35:17,875 Speaker 1: the Today Show's long standing plans and commitments. We have 518 00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:21,635 Speaker 1: signed contracts with Michael Chaibo. Matt Lower is furious, but 519 00:35:21,715 --> 00:35:24,715 Speaker 1: I understand Hivo offered you this interview, so you couldn't 520 00:35:24,715 --> 00:35:26,515 Speaker 1: have known how you were violating the Today Show, and 521 00:35:26,555 --> 00:35:30,635 Speaker 1: Matt I pointed out that Chaibo had said specifically that 522 00:35:30,715 --> 00:35:33,755 Speaker 1: he had not signed anything with anybody. The president of 523 00:35:33,875 --> 00:35:36,395 Speaker 1: NBC News ignored this. Here's the offer, Matt and I 524 00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:39,035 Speaker 1: will make you. You don't run the interview tonight, we 525 00:35:39,155 --> 00:35:41,155 Speaker 1: will run a segment of it tomorrow on Today, giving 526 00:35:41,195 --> 00:35:43,635 Speaker 1: a full plug to countdown. Then tomorrow night. You can 527 00:35:43,715 --> 00:35:46,435 Speaker 1: run a four minute segment. The rest of your interview 528 00:35:46,555 --> 00:35:48,875 Speaker 1: can run. And I think, despite what you've done to us, 529 00:35:49,235 --> 00:35:53,755 Speaker 1: your interview should run after Matt Lowers does sometime next month. 530 00:35:54,315 --> 00:35:56,835 Speaker 1: I think this is a great idea, since Matt wants 531 00:35:56,875 --> 00:36:00,315 Speaker 1: me to fire you. I said, this was the dumbest 532 00:36:00,315 --> 00:36:02,755 Speaker 1: thing I had ever heard, which was saying a lot, 533 00:36:02,835 --> 00:36:05,435 Speaker 1: since I had spent nearly three years working at Fox. 534 00:36:06,795 --> 00:36:09,275 Speaker 1: There was nothing about our interview that risked Matt Lower's 535 00:36:09,315 --> 00:36:12,075 Speaker 1: prospects of getting his own interview. In fact, it probably 536 00:36:12,075 --> 00:36:15,835 Speaker 1: increased them. I could now pitch Michael Chaivo on Lower's behalf. 537 00:36:16,355 --> 00:36:19,715 Speaker 1: Michael Chabo did not like Lawer. On the other end 538 00:36:19,755 --> 00:36:24,755 Speaker 1: of the phone, Cappus gasped, doesn't like Lower. Don't say that, 539 00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:28,915 Speaker 1: But to bury our interview for a month was crapping 540 00:36:28,955 --> 00:36:33,235 Speaker 1: all over MSNBC and me and Michael Schaibo and journalistically. 541 00:36:33,235 --> 00:36:36,115 Speaker 1: It was indefensible and it made me feel like walking out. 542 00:36:38,075 --> 00:36:42,675 Speaker 1: Steve Cappus, whose later boss at NBC told me that 543 00:36:42,715 --> 00:36:45,515 Speaker 1: she fired him for telling her that he would never 544 00:36:45,555 --> 00:36:49,075 Speaker 1: take orders from a woman, began to scream, as I 545 00:36:49,155 --> 00:36:51,755 Speaker 1: noted at the time in my diary, like a twelve 546 00:36:51,835 --> 00:36:54,515 Speaker 1: year old. I offer you a way out and not 547 00:36:54,635 --> 00:36:57,235 Speaker 1: getting fired and not get Matt Lawer on your ass, 548 00:36:57,235 --> 00:36:59,875 Speaker 1: and you threatened to quit. I pointed out that I 549 00:36:59,915 --> 00:37:01,515 Speaker 1: had not threatened to quit. I told him that if 550 00:37:01,555 --> 00:37:04,595 Speaker 1: there really had been a contract with Michael Chaibo, even 551 00:37:04,675 --> 00:37:06,995 Speaker 1: if he had not mentioned it to me, any of 552 00:37:07,035 --> 00:37:09,515 Speaker 1: the one hundred NBC executives who had known about my 553 00:37:09,555 --> 00:37:12,595 Speaker 1: interview with Michael Schaibo for like a week, would have 554 00:37:13,355 --> 00:37:15,595 Speaker 1: I had even sent Brian Williams a note asking if 555 00:37:15,635 --> 00:37:18,635 Speaker 1: there were any specific questions. He wanted me to ask 556 00:37:18,675 --> 00:37:24,195 Speaker 1: Schaibo so he could use a clip on NBC Nightly News. Somehow, 557 00:37:24,275 --> 00:37:28,195 Speaker 1: Cappus began to scream again in an even higher pitched voice. 558 00:37:28,515 --> 00:37:30,955 Speaker 1: Matt Lawer advises me to simply kill your interview with 559 00:37:30,995 --> 00:37:32,875 Speaker 1: Michael Schaivo, and I'm trying to find a way out 560 00:37:32,875 --> 00:37:35,435 Speaker 1: for you. You start bringing up ancient history from a 561 00:37:35,435 --> 00:37:40,155 Speaker 1: week ago. He really said that ancient history from a 562 00:37:40,155 --> 00:37:42,915 Speaker 1: week ago. I said, why don't we do it this way? 563 00:37:43,995 --> 00:37:47,195 Speaker 1: We run a thirty second clip tonight, the Today Show 564 00:37:47,275 --> 00:37:50,075 Speaker 1: runs whatever it wants to tomorrow, then we run the 565 00:37:50,075 --> 00:37:52,995 Speaker 1: rest of the interview tomorrow night, and the night after Well, 566 00:37:53,075 --> 00:37:55,515 Speaker 1: Cappus resumed screaming, so let me see what I got 567 00:37:55,555 --> 00:37:58,435 Speaker 1: this straight. Matt Lwer is incensed over you stepping in 568 00:37:58,515 --> 00:38:01,155 Speaker 1: on his interview. I'm offering you publicity on the Today 569 00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:03,875 Speaker 1: Show and not getting fired, and your answer is we're 570 00:38:03,875 --> 00:38:06,795 Speaker 1: going to run seventeen minutes of it. I'm so impressed 571 00:38:06,795 --> 00:38:10,395 Speaker 1: with your professionalism, Keith. I will always remember how cooperative 572 00:38:10,435 --> 00:38:10,755 Speaker 1: you were. 573 00:38:11,075 --> 00:38:11,595 Speaker 2: Fine. 574 00:38:11,675 --> 00:38:15,195 Speaker 1: You do whatever you want, mister professional. Run the whole 575 00:38:15,235 --> 00:38:18,675 Speaker 1: half hour tonight. Don't you understand television? Matt needs to 576 00:38:18,675 --> 00:38:21,155 Speaker 1: be able to say in his first interview since his 577 00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:27,195 Speaker 1: wife's death. For the fifty third time in my career 578 00:38:27,235 --> 00:38:30,755 Speaker 1: at NBC News, I thought somebody was secretly filming this 579 00:38:30,875 --> 00:38:33,835 Speaker 1: and making a segment on it for I don't know, 580 00:38:34,035 --> 00:38:39,355 Speaker 1: punked or did they still run candid camera. Well, getting 581 00:38:39,395 --> 00:38:41,395 Speaker 1: back to the interview here with Cappus, I said that 582 00:38:41,475 --> 00:38:44,355 Speaker 1: in a month, nobody was going to remember my interview 583 00:38:44,795 --> 00:38:47,835 Speaker 1: and Matt could still say in his first network interview 584 00:38:47,875 --> 00:38:50,875 Speaker 1: since his wife's death. Well Kappus ignored that too. I've 585 00:38:50,915 --> 00:38:53,755 Speaker 1: been advised to kill the countdown piece outright, but you 586 00:38:54,075 --> 00:38:57,675 Speaker 1: do whatever you want for your little countdown show. Go ahead, 587 00:38:57,715 --> 00:39:00,555 Speaker 1: and curry the enmity of Matt Lower. You think he'll 588 00:39:00,555 --> 00:39:05,515 Speaker 1: forget this. Over the next two years, Matt Lauer hired 589 00:39:05,555 --> 00:39:08,475 Speaker 1: away two of my producers, then made a supposed peace 590 00:39:08,555 --> 00:39:11,395 Speaker 1: offering by running a segment that was to be produced 591 00:39:11,395 --> 00:39:13,515 Speaker 1: by my show every Friday on The Today Show that 592 00:39:13,555 --> 00:39:16,275 Speaker 1: required two of my producers to stay up all night 593 00:39:16,435 --> 00:39:18,835 Speaker 1: editing and thus not work on my show on Friday. 594 00:39:19,275 --> 00:39:24,555 Speaker 1: By some strange coincidence, for four consecutive weeks, the countdown 595 00:39:24,595 --> 00:39:29,195 Speaker 1: piece never ran. It was just more petty revenge. The 596 00:39:29,195 --> 00:39:32,075 Speaker 1: Today Show also booked me as a guest four times, 597 00:39:32,595 --> 00:39:36,715 Speaker 1: canceled all four times, once the morning of my interview 598 00:39:36,755 --> 00:39:39,915 Speaker 1: as I was shaving to go in and do the interview. 599 00:39:41,555 --> 00:39:44,835 Speaker 1: The punchline, of course, my little interview back then with 600 00:39:44,915 --> 00:39:47,755 Speaker 1: Michael Schaibo ran over the next three nights. It did 601 00:39:47,795 --> 00:39:51,675 Speaker 1: not really affect our ratings. It did contribute some tiny 602 00:39:51,715 --> 00:39:55,275 Speaker 1: amount to the tiny amount of actual journalism MSNBC had 603 00:39:55,315 --> 00:39:59,715 Speaker 1: done on the Shibos story. It counterbalanced that schmuck Scarborough, 604 00:40:00,715 --> 00:40:03,475 Speaker 1: and on March twenty six, two thousand and six, the 605 00:40:03,555 --> 00:40:08,315 Speaker 1: Matt Lower Interview aired with Michael Schaibo and as NBC 606 00:40:08,435 --> 00:40:11,755 Speaker 1: publicity phrased it. Michael and his new wife sit down 607 00:40:11,795 --> 00:40:17,475 Speaker 1: for their first network interview with NBC News. Is Matt Lauer. 608 00:40:18,915 --> 00:40:34,315 Speaker 2: Just blank? I had suggested, I've done. 609 00:40:34,195 --> 00:40:36,395 Speaker 1: All the damage I can do here. Thank you for listening. 610 00:40:36,435 --> 00:40:38,555 Speaker 1: Countdown has come to you from our studio is high 611 00:40:38,595 --> 00:40:41,955 Speaker 1: on top the Sports Capsule building in New York. Here 612 00:40:41,955 --> 00:40:44,195 Speaker 1: are the credits. Most of the music arranged, produced and 613 00:40:44,235 --> 00:40:46,755 Speaker 1: performed by Brian Ray and John Phillip Shaneil. The Countdown 614 00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:51,515 Speaker 1: musical directors. All orchestration and keyboards by John Phillip Shaneil. Guitars, 615 00:40:51,515 --> 00:40:54,595 Speaker 1: bass and drums by Brian Ray, produced by Tko Brothers. 616 00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:57,635 Speaker 1: Other Beethoven selections have been arranged and performed by the 617 00:40:57,635 --> 00:41:00,995 Speaker 1: group No Horns Allowed. The sports music is the Olberman 618 00:41:01,115 --> 00:41:03,915 Speaker 1: theme from ESPN two, which was written by Mitch Warren 619 00:41:04,035 --> 00:41:08,515 Speaker 1: Davis Heart See of ESPN Inc. Musical comments by Nancy Fauss. 620 00:41:08,555 --> 00:41:11,515 Speaker 1: The best baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer today was 621 00:41:11,555 --> 00:41:14,955 Speaker 1: my friend Larry David doing his Bob Shepherd impression, and 622 00:41:15,035 --> 00:41:17,715 Speaker 1: everything else was pretty much my fault. So that's countdown 623 00:41:17,755 --> 00:41:20,555 Speaker 1: for this the nine and sixty fifth day since Donald 624 00:41:20,595 --> 00:41:23,675 Speaker 1: Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected government of 625 00:41:23,675 --> 00:41:27,635 Speaker 1: the United States, convict him while we still can. The 626 00:41:27,675 --> 00:41:31,355 Speaker 1: next scheduled countdown is tomorrow bulletins, as the news, warrants, 627 00:41:31,515 --> 00:41:35,035 Speaker 1: as happened yesterday till the next one. I'm Keith Oldrimman. 628 00:41:35,075 --> 00:41:48,155 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good night, and good luck. Countdown 629 00:41:48,195 --> 00:41:51,955 Speaker 1: with Keith Olrimman is a production of iHeartRadio. 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