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Speaker 3: That is possible.

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Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means

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Speaker 3: But enough with that, Let's get to the show. All right,

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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. Tagger, How you doing.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you, man. People live for the pound.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you. It's great not to have

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Speaker 2: to shout my own intro. I'm just here for the ride.

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Speaker 3: So Emily is out doing some reporting. She'll actually be

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Speaker 3: back for the Friday show. We're going to interview Ezra

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Speaker 3: clined for that one. That should be fascinating today. Often

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Speaker 3: when you look at the kind of rundown along the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the show, can't really necessarily tell what we're

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Speaker 3: going to talk about today. You definitely can. Kamala Harris

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Speaker 3: and Donald Trump both making the rounds. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about that. Voting is starting literally already started in

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Speaker 3: and we'll talk about why that is. I think it's

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Speaker 3: because Trump is now telling people you also need to

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of a lot of updates when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the Israel Palestine Lemanine situation that we

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Speaker 3: will get to, including some news that's breaking just this

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Speaker 3: after and then of course we got to talk about

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris's ghostwriter, we should say, getting busted

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Speaker 3: with plagiarism, which is much more a media story than

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Speaker 3: it is anything else. That's exactly right. Yeah, none of

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's it's like embarrassing, but it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where the media reaction to it was interesting.

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Speaker 2: You're actually the person who flagged it wasn't me, and

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Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to talk about it with you.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's gonna be exciting. Take advantage by the way.

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Speaker 3: What you guys do with it, so that'll be fun.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's get to Kamala Harris. As you said,

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Speaker 2: she was on Charlemagne the Breakfast Club yesterday and I

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Speaker 2: interesting moments that came out of it. First is, and

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Speaker 2: whole Obama situation where he's lecturing, hectoring brothers, remember his words,

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Speaker 2: just making up all these excuses, but really you just

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Speaker 3: The extra awkward part, and we'll get it. The extra

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Speaker 3: awkward part. He's addressing a small room of mostly young

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Speaker 2: But Kamala was asked a little bit about that by Charlemagne.

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Speaker 2: So let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: I do want to say President Obama was out there

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Speaker 5: last week waving his finger at black men. Are Liz

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Speaker 5: Cheney and Hillary Clinton going wave their finger at white women?

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for highlighting that. I do have the

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Speaker 4: support of over two hundred Republicans who worked for various administrations,

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Speaker 5: And so the finger wagon should start today.

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Speaker 4: Atomar Well, I think what is happening is that we

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Speaker 3: So quite a little bit of a dodge there.

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Speaker 2: She was also asked by She was asked by Charlotte

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Speaker 3: Because I don't know. Kristaline were talking about it yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I wonder what you think while he was president, you know,

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Speaker 3: And in case Charlemagne's dig there was a little bit

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Speaker 2: Right well, with any racial women person owes their vote

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Speaker 3: He's right. So what he's saying there is like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: He feels like Anina Turnery would say that, like he's

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Speaker 3: he didn't he didn't have to do any finger wagging

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Speaker 3: Now, you know, one thing they've been saying.

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Speaker 5: A lot of your press heres get criticized, you know,

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Speaker 5: folks that you come off as very scripted. They say

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Speaker 5: you like to stick to your talking points, and some

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Speaker 4: That would be called discipline. Oh okay.

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Speaker 5: Some people say you have an inability to fearlessly say

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Speaker 5: who you are and what you believe. I know that's

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Speaker 5: not true. But what do you say to that criticism?

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Speaker 5: And is it fair for S and L to make

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Speaker 4: Hasn't Maya Rudolph and wonderful?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I think I have nothing but admiration for the comedy,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's it's important to be able to

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Speaker 4: obviously comedy, and not belittling people as my opponent would do.

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Speaker 5: But what do you say to people who say you

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Speaker 4: I would say you're welcome. I mean, listen, Here's the thing.

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Speaker 4: I love having conversations, which is why I'm so happy

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Speaker 4: to be with you this afternoon. And the reality is

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, I mean, it's like, what are we

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Speaker 2: It's like the but the Democratic House passed a bill

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Speaker 2: What to Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: More recently, actually they make people throw away their jewels

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Speaker 3: Like what do we do? Somebody here? You can see

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Speaker 2: My joke was is that Trump ascended to his final form,

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Speaker 3: it would for you. Yeah, it looked like, yeah, he'd

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Speaker 3: popped a gummy and was just vibe. Yeah, just vibing

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Speaker 3: on stage there. That was amazing. Yeah, yeah, I've really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed this one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This was like I said, this is really me. The

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Speaker 2: rounds people were like, as Trump lost it, like what

441
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Speaker 2: is he doing? I honestly, I have no earthly explanation.

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Speaker 2: That is my The best I can take a stab

443
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Speaker 2: at it is that he was like, hey, I don't

444
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Speaker 2: really feel like talking, and most of these people love

445
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Speaker 2: me enough that they'll just hang out and they'll they'll stay.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, he was kind of right, has

447
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Speaker 2: some of them left, but a lot of them stayed.

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Speaker 3: And speaking of scripted, yeah, we dinged Kamala for being

449
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Speaker 3: a little scripted. Trum Trump pretty scripted in his dance moves.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows Trump's dance. He's got that and then he's

451
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Speaker 3: Day's got the punch too, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a terrible answer, So I got

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Speaker 2: it all right. So you also did an interview with

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg I believe this with the Economic Club of Chicago,

455
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Speaker 2: and there was a real clash here on tariffs in particular,

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Speaker 2: probably the most viral moment from the interview.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a list.

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Speaker 6: You're also talking about twenty ten to twenty percent tariffs

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Speaker 6: on the rest of the world. That is going to

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Speaker 6: have a serious effect on the overall economy. And yes,

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Speaker 6: you're going to find some people who were gained from

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Speaker 6: individual tariffs. The overall effect could be massive.

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Speaker 7: I agree, it's going to have a massive effect. Positive effect.

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Speaker 7: It's going to be a positive not a new just

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Speaker 7: let me just no, no, let me committed. You are

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Speaker 7: to this, and it must be hard for you to

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Speaker 7: you know, spend twenty five years talking about tariffs has

468
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Speaker 7: been negative, and then if somebody explained you that you're.

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Speaker 3: Totally wrong, it'll have a negative. It will have forty

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Speaker 3: million jobs. There's a lot of jobs to rely on.

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Speaker 3: There all come back million jobs.

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Speaker 6: There are forty million jobs in America that.

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Speaker 7: Rely on John Deere, great company. They announced about a

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Speaker 7: year ago they're going to build big plants outside of

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Speaker 7: the United States. Right, They're going to build them in

476
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Speaker 7: youth thresh and they're also a building still, that's right,

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Speaker 7: I said, if John Deere builds those plants, are not

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Speaker 7: selling anything into the United States. They just announced yesterday

479
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Speaker 7: they're probably not going to build the plants, Okay, I

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Speaker 7: kept the judge.

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Speaker 3: I personally really enjoyed that.

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Speaker 2: Anytime you see like a rich British guy runs Bloomberg,

483
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Speaker 2: this guy Wharton probably school or London School of Economics

484
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Speaker 2: who's like just talking about how great, you know, neoliberal

485
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Speaker 2: economic theory is, and he's just like, it must be

486
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Speaker 2: hard for you to be wrong and have somebody explain

487
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Speaker 2: it to you you're completely wrong.

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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: I also enjoyed how he went after the FED. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure if you saw missed that part. Yeah, he

491
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Speaker 2: was like he said something along the lines of he's like,

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Speaker 2: it's the greatest job in the world. You go into

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Speaker 2: a room, you flip a coin and every but he

494
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Speaker 2: treats you like your genius.

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Speaker 3: It's totally right. He's absolutely correct.

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Speaker 2: And there's so much like dressing around this, around tariffs

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Speaker 2: and about oh economists say x y H. When's the

498
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Speaker 2: last time economists were correct about literally anything or the forecast?

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Speaker 2: And if you study economics in school, that's the first

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Speaker 2: to tell you, like, hey, look at all these models

501
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Speaker 2: and look how they actually work out in practice. Doesn't

502
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Speaker 2: take a genius to see it. So this actually, look,

503
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Speaker 2: you know, just a little history thing. This takes you

504
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Speaker 2: really back to some like og fights in American history

505
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Speaker 2: around like this about silver, the roles William and Jennings Bryan, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, people at one time had massive feelings about

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Speaker 2: you know, hard money and gold, the gold standard and

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Speaker 2: silver and the famous Sprian speech but mankind will not

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Speaker 2: be crucified on a cross of gold and what that

510
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Speaker 2: meant for monetary policy and farmers and so there's some

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Speaker 2: of that coming back. But even on tariffs. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting because for him, He's not even making the

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Speaker 2: Kamala argument about well, we're gonna have some tar to tariffs.

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Speaker 2: He's like, no, tariffs in general.

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Speaker 3: Are all bad.

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Speaker 2: And that is where you know, Trump politically intuited in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen that that was a position both that he

518
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Speaker 2: thought was overwhelmingly popular, but that you could you could

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Speaker 2: implement without subscribing to neoliberal economic theory and taking a

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Speaker 2: very different, almost honestly like a mercantilist view of economicis

521
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Speaker 2: which I really appreciate because that's my thing.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and the fights now over the fed are

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Speaker 3: really the exact same ones that people were having over

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Speaker 3: silver in the nineteenth century. Sager knows this, most of

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Speaker 3: the audience probably doesn't, but what he meant by crucifying

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Speaker 3: across the gold was that the gold standard was keeping

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Speaker 3: the money supply too low, and the silver bugs wanted

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Speaker 3: to add silver to the currency, and they said that

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Speaker 3: will that will put more currency in the economy, and

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Speaker 3: it will allow for economic growth. They didn't win, but

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Speaker 3: then it's such The history is so funny. Huge discoveries

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Speaker 3: of silver in the West flooded a whole bunch of

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Speaker 3: silver into the economy and economists will say like, actually

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Speaker 3: that discovery of silver like increased the monetary supply, was

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Speaker 3: like going increased the m one and it did the

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Speaker 3: right thing, So it was like it was like the

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Speaker 3: nature flipped going on nature but genocide. Yeah, there is

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Speaker 3: a poster somewhere in the studio.

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Speaker 2: I'd have to go find it of William Jennings Bryan

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Speaker 2: from his Cross of Gold speech, like a cartoon from

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Speaker 2: the eighteen nineties that I picked up in an antique

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Speaker 2: store because it is such an important point. And actually,

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: like third party and stuff, like, he's one of the

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Speaker 2: most successful outsiders to ever get in. He became the

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State under Woodrow Well. He was a Titanic

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Speaker 2: figure in an American Bran was a Democratic nominee for

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Speaker 2: like four times exactly.

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Speaker 3: The Populist party basically folded in a deal with the

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Speaker 3: Democrats that if you accept our agenda, will go away

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Speaker 3: and endorse Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was an interesting dude, very much. So people

553
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Speaker 2: should go and read some books about him. We also

554
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Speaker 2: should get to the next part here with Trump, where

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Speaker 2: this is where look, he gives and he takes and

556
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Speaker 2: so I'll give you a good answer on tariffs, you'll

557
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Speaker 2: give you kind of crazy answer about Google.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 6: Justice Department is thinking about breaking up alphabet because Google

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Speaker 6: likes to be known.

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Speaker 3: Now should Google be breaken up?

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Speaker 7: I just haven't gotten over something the Justice Department did

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Speaker 7: yesterday where Virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got

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Speaker 7: rid of thousands and thousands of bad votes, and the

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Speaker 7: Justice Department sued them that they should be allowed to

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Speaker 7: put those bad votes and illegal votes back in and

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Speaker 7: let the people vote. So I haven't I haven't gotten

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Speaker 7: I haven't gotten over that. A lot of people have

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Speaker 7: seen that. They can't even believe it.

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Speaker 6: The question is about Google, President Trump.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, Google's got a lot of power. They're very

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Speaker 7: bad to me, very very bad to me. I mean

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Speaker 7: I can speak from that standpoint, all right.

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Speaker 3: I can speak from that standpoint. It's so perfect. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that is his frame, Yeah, of how he feels about anything. Well,

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Speaker 3: we'll speak. How have they treated me? Okay? Google? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't like them, like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, I'm not going to sugarcoat it for you.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes he gets those answers and you're like,

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Speaker 2: what are you even talking about.

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Speaker 3: Dude, he calls it the weave. We'll see, we'll see

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Speaker 3: if people are going to take that. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I'm curious where you are on that on his tariff answer,

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Speaker 3: obviously at least obvious from my perspective, Flat tariffs, even

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Speaker 3: on things that we cannot make here, are silly. Well, right,

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Speaker 3: like Crystal and I have had this spike before. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it depends. And are you saying which is substitute? Let's

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Speaker 3: say mangoes. It's again, it's the same type of thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, first of all, Mexican mangoes are terrible, and

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Speaker 2: people should try any So that's just for you know,

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Speaker 2: just at a very basic level. Most Americans have never

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Speaker 2: had at the taste of a real mango. But second

593
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Speaker 2: to that, mango is really good.

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Speaker 3: There are they? Okay, well, it's.

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Speaker 2: Probably still of the Mexican variety. There's a whole shoe

596
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Speaker 2: on this. Anyways, this is all again secondary. The point,

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Speaker 2: first of all, is that you can't even institute a bank.

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Speaker 2: The tariff Congress would have to do it, and it's

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Speaker 2: not going to happen. You would literally need some sort

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Speaker 2: of smooth holly. So to me, this is very much

601
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Speaker 2: like Trump. Seriously, literally, we had a whole debate about

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Speaker 2: it yesterday. You can go and watch that if you

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Speaker 2: want to irl.

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Speaker 3: What does it look like.

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Speaker 2: Well, it looks a lot like it did last time,

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Speaker 2: which is the Commerce Department and Section I forget exactly

607
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: the exact provision of law allows for national security declarations

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Speaker 2: on certain goods, specifically farming and field implements.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but remember this.

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Speaker 2: The tariffs that under the Biden administration are specifically done

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Speaker 2: under the same executive authority the Trump used last time.

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Speaker 2: Trump basically pushed as much as he could last time.

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Speaker 2: In terms of goods. It was a lot of it

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Speaker 2: was metals, a lot of it was steel, both with Brazil, Korea, Japan, China.

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Speaker 2: I expect a ramp up of that from last time around.

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Speaker 2: The truth is is that Congress, even Republicans, is full

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Speaker 2: of neoliberals and the corporate lobby. I mean, I can't

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Speaker 2: tell you guys from behind the scenes, the amount of

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Speaker 2: corporate exceptions that these people try and lobby for is insane.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh please, it's just so impossible for me

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Speaker 3: to buy this part from anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: And it's like really was like, well, but it would

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Speaker 2: cost twenty cents more or something like, yeah, but that

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Speaker 2: one's in Pittsburgh and you want to buy it from Shanghai.

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Speaker 3: So you know, you don't see a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a problem here.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's reality that you could actually impose

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Speaker 2: some sort of blanket tariff. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: like listen drastic times sometimes like that's what you need

630
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Speaker 2: to see. I am in general, Like I called Trump

631
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Speaker 2: a mercantilist. People should go and look at that definition.

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00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: Here's another one. You want to google autarchy, the idea

633
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: of economic self sufficiency fundamentally, like that's what he is

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Speaker 2: talking about, and he's trying to get to I don't

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Speaker 2: even believe a blanket tariff would go into place, and

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Speaker 2: even if it did, again, like if you look at

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Speaker 2: a lot of the imports and consumption of the overall

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Speaker 2: US economy, quite a bit of the stuff that we import,

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Speaker 2: not only could it be made here with some limited exceptions,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of it is just like cheap crap

641
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: that people don't even necessarily need. Now, it's easy for

642
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: me to say from here, people, I'll be fully admit

643
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: it will raise the price. Absolutely, it's true. Trump's response

644
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Speaker 2: is we would also be taking in a significant amount.

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Speaker 2: He had an idea last time around, like with soybean farmers,

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Speaker 2: and basically because we took in hundreds of billions from soybeans,

647
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Speaker 2: was to cut checks to a lot of the people

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Speaker 2: who worked in the industry. I think it's perfectly fine

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Speaker 2: in terms of the distribution, you know, in order to

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Speaker 2: offset some of this. So it's a worthy conversation. Is

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Speaker 2: that I would much rather have this debate than the

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Speaker 2: other one, which is should we have.

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Speaker 3: Tariffs or not? I'll put it that way.

654
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Speaker 2: Trump also, at the same time, this has been some

655
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: strange behavior that's happened. So of course he canceled on

656
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: sixty minutes. I mean that one makes sense, sixty minutes

657
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: and him got into a whole tiff last time. But

658
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: he also canceled on Joe over at CNBC, which is

659
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: surprising because that guy is actually very pro Trump, and

660
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: he got really salty about it. So here's what he

661
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 2: had to say.

662
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: Trump canceled and he was going to come on, so

663
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Speaker 3: and I said, when you come on, we'll be able

664
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Speaker 3: to say you came And I didn't talk to him personally,

665
00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: but I.

666
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: Said, so yeah, I mean he canceled on CNBC. I

667
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: was frankly kind of surprised by that. I don't know

668
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: about you, Ryan, that he didn't go on CNBC, because

669
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: it's exactly like the Bloomberg interview that he was doing

670
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: previously at the Economic Club, where he likes to go

671
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: on and spar with the Wall Street guys and all that.

672
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: That one's a much more targeted thing. So for his cancelors,

673
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: people were saying he was scared of it. I'm not

674
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: necessarily sure there might be some personal beef or something

675
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, but at the least I was like, huh,

676
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting.

677
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: Why did he cancel it? Yeah? Yeah, I mean if

678
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: he can do the Bloomberg thing and argue that you

679
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: can do the exact same thing there, and he could

680
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: even go on there and trol about Lena Khan like

681
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: poke pokes the NBC, which hates Lena con almost as

682
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: much as a Wall Street journal and also then poke

683
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: the Harris campaign for being unwilling to stand up for

684
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: Like when Kamala Harris was asked, is there anything you

685
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: would do differently than the Biden administration, she said, I

686
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: can't think of a single thing. The only thing that

687
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: like she hasn't really committed to is that one thing

688
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: is keeping Lena Conn and John's in Canter That is

689
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: a good point.

690
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Trump would say about Lena Conn.

691
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: Let's say, if we're all being honest, the final thing

692
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: is Trump will have a major campaign event on Sunday.

693
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough, let's put this up there. This will

694
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: be fun to watch.

695
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be visiting a McDonald's on Sunday in

696
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania and he will quote work the fry cooker.

697
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: This is a source familiar with the matter.

698
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: This comes up as Trump has repeatedly claimed Kamala Harris

699
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: never actually worked at McDonald's. So one of my friends,

700
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: Joe Simonson is actually the person who read. He put

701
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: the story out where he was like, I don't think

702
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. He's like, there's no evidence Kamala's ever worked

703
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: at McDonald's. Kamala has been asked about this. There was

704
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: an interview that she gave I forget. I think it

705
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: was NBC News with Stephanie Ruhle, and she's like, I

706
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: did the fries. There's something very vague. She has not

707
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 2: released any photos of her working at McDonald's. I mean

708
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: presumably those would exist. So this is Trump trying to uh,

709
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: not only stoke that, but I mean, look, I hate

710
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: to say, I actually think this is the type of

711
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: thing that so many people will love to watch, like

712
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: this video or whatever of Trump working on the Frenker. Now,

713
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: as I understand, it's that quite a dangerous job. I

714
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 2: will not pretend I've never worked to McDonald's. I mean,

715
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: it seems scary. Right, we're talking about hot oil. There's

716
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: a lot of orders that you got to get through.

717
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: It's not an easy gig, you know, from what I

718
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: can tell now, You've got automation, all this crazy stuff

719
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: with those order things, and everything seems very regulated in

720
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: terms of how you're measured how much you can do

721
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: back there.

722
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: So it's not it's not the worst thing.

723
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: He could also talk about removing what is taxes on tips,

724
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: not that anybody tips at McDonald's, although they should so anyway,

725
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: what do you think, what do.

726
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: You get water in that? Yeah? In that grease, you're

727
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: the whole thing on fire? Oh god, yeah. And it's flippery.

728
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't they get they get like burns on their hands.

729
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: It looks scary, man, when you see him dunk them

730
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: here like this is that's the last place you want

731
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: to be actually funny. A friend of mine, I actually

732
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: don't even know his name. He's an anonymous guy on Twitter.

733
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: He's a polling Analyst's name is Ruben Rodriguez've talked about

734
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: him here on the show. He's been suggesting previously. He's like,

735
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Trump should go work the fry cooker at McDonald's. And

736
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: so maybe somebody at the campaign is reading his tweets.

737
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: He's only got twelve thousand followers, but he's a very

738
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: smart guy. They called every state in the election last

739
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: time around.

740
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: That's why I follow him. And assuming Kamla did work

741
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: at McDonald's, because that would be just an amazing thing

742
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: to make up.

743
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: That would The reason I'm like maybe she did is

744
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 2: that's a crazy thing to make up.

745
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 3: That's absolutely insane, But you know, I would. The evidence

746
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: against her that Trump floats around is that there was

747
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: some resume that where she didn't include it. But that

748
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: also is a window into kind of Trump's view of

749
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 3: the world. That, dude, you don't put McDonald's on your resume.

750
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: Its true. McDonald's is the kind of job that is

751
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: only cool once you've gotten beyond it, like it. And

752
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 3: that's what's so much of poverty and working class life

753
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: is like actually right that people love to look back

754
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: on it as something that you did, but when you're

755
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: in it, our country imbus it all with shame. So

756
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: and people should not forget that you're not wrong and

757
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: as virtue, there's absolutely nothing wrong.

758
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: We're working at McDonald's, whether you're working there for ten

759
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: years or whether you're working there for a summer.

760
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: So here's what Joe wrote in his article.

761
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: He said Harris works at McDonald's, which allegedly took place

762
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: at a franchise in the California Bay Area. It is

763
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: a recent addition to her crafted life story. For decades,

764
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: she has never mentioned it, not on the campaign trail,

765
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: not in two books. It is absent from a job

766
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: application from the resume that she submitted a year before college.

767
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: Third party biographers have not written about it. It is

768
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: not until Harris ran for president in twenty nineteen and

769
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: spoke to a labor rally in Las Vegas did she

770
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 2: mention the job, telling the crowd that she quote was

771
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: a student when I was working at McDonald's, and so

772
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: it's one of those where the actual evidence for this

773
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: claim has not there. There is no photo, as I said,

774
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: that exists of her working at McDonald's. I guess at

775
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: the same time, not a lot of people necessarily.

776
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: Want people to take a photo of her.

777
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: Well, she's at McDonald's, but Joe has done the Joe

778
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: is on the leg work, and I got to say,

779
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: there's a there's a decent shot.

780
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: She hasn't worked with McDonald's.

781
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: Just based on that, because why wouldn't you have talked

782
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: about it in two books and the first time I'm

783
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: gonna mention it is twenty nineteen. It's conceivable, don't get

784
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: me wrong, But you've been a politician for this long

785
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 2: and you've never talked about it.

786
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a little bit skeptical. At some point,

787
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: you would think that that would at some point you're

788
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: far enough or moved away from it that you're proud

789
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: of it. Okay, it's before fo Yeah, yeah, so I'm

790
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: agree with you. She's a lawyer right at that point,

791
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: is a multi millionaire. She got married to Doug that say,

792
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: you worked, Yeah, that's good. I'm curious. I'm very very curious. Yeah,

793
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: I went the I went the long form photo Yeah,

794
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: I want the original. We're gonna have to go into

795
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: the photo archives and all of this, we can look

796
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: into it. So, yeah, it's amazing. Should we assign a

797
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: reporter to Joe.

798
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: Even obtained a nineteen eighty seven job application that she

799
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: had for a law clerk in Alameda County whenever she

800
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: was like that summer afterwards, and it's like she does

801
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: not She listed several jobs, including a month long clerical

802
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: job at stock brokerage, but did not mention McDonald.

803
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 3: But see, that's the one. That's the one where I'm saying,

804
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: I understand why I agree with you. That's what it's

805
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: not necessarily would put the clerical one, right, Yeah, that

806
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: makes sense. You're trying to show that you're like belong

807
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: with these rich white shoe people, that's right.

808
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: Who would look down on somebody who worked with at McDonald's,

809
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: which again, there's absolutely nothing wrong with working at McDonald's.

810
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: I met some funny people work at McDonald's. One other point,

811
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: on this question about whether there's a photo of her,

812
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. Yeah, So my first job

813
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: was at the Washington College over on the eastern shore

814
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: of Maryland. Why, I worked in the kitchen in the

815
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: dining hall. Absolutely zero, Chancellor, is a photo of me

816
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: doing any of that work. And none of my friends

817
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: and a lot of my friends worked the same job.

818
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: None of my friends ever would have thought to take

819
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: a picture. And my upbringing, I think and curious for

820
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: your takings. My upbring was closer to hers in the

821
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: sense that there were no self period, let alone cell

822
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: phone cameras. We didn't walk around with cameras. Once in

823
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: a while somebody would bring like a polaroid to us

824
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 3: party just as a party. You absolutely would not bring

825
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: up camera to work. Okay, why on earth would you.

826
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: Get what we were talking about our first job? So

827
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: my first job was a liquor store. Is a cashier?

828
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: I do think there is a photo of me doing it.

829
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: This was the two thousands, Yeah, no, this was right,

830
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: two two twelve probably, so there's yeah, I mean iPhone.

831
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: I think we all had iPhone fours. So there you go.

832
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: It's not say that was an interesting job, though. You

833
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: learn a lot about people selling liquor here, you do.

834
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: And this was this was DC. Yeah, this is here

835
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: in Washington, DC. You get rich people. I was just

836
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: telling you about homeless people. The great equalizer, the liquor store.

837
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: It's true.

838
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see everybody from all walks of life. You

839
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: certainly you learn a lot about people. People tell you

840
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: their stories about what they want, why they're buying certain things.

841
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: People make up a lot of stories too, where it's like,

842
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: it's fine, man, I'm just telling It's like, I don't care.

843
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: Kama could actually settle this, not with a photo of her,

844
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: but just talking about it for five minutes. That's right.

845
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: I agree with you. So if I work one of

846
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: these jobs, it is indelible. That's right. She said I

847
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: did the fries. So she needs to give us something

848
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: more detail. Yeah, we need more details, like like you

849
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: just said, in terms of sound like we can get

850
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: into it, you know, in terms.

851
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: Of like.

852
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: When Kamala does her interview here, we'll make sure. Yeah,

853
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: I'll go into like you need to prove we'll bring

854
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: in a real McDonald's worker. You ask her something of

855
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: that only somebody who quote did the fries and McDonald's

856
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: would know.

857
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: But not even that, Like I think just the experience

858
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: of working in McDonald's, Like hearing her talk about it,

859
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: you'd be able to tell if that was a real

860
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: experience or if she was just relaying something like shit

861
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: for or something.

862
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, oh, I got to put on

863
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: a crappy schedule, or I'll.

864
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 3: Tell you everything you need to know about the dish

865
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: room and at Washington College. Yes, there you go, all right,

866
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: I like it.

867
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to voting. So, as you said, Ryan,

868
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on here. Early voting is here,

869
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: but there's also some very interesting developments in those close

870
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: races that we want to watch. Let's put the up

871
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: there on the screen. So we got Osborne is making

872
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: waves here we have this is the Counterpoints bump. Yeah, dude,

873
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: you guys refers to it. So we got to give

874
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: you the credit. An internal poll, now shared with the

875
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: New Jersey Hotline shows Dan Osborne at fifty percent ahead

876
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: of Deb Fisher fifty percent for Osborne, forty four percent

877
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: there for Fisher six percent undecided. Now, obviously that's an

878
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: Osborne internal poll, but you know, they don't match us all.

879
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: They pull out completely. And there have been a lot

880
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: of polls recently that at the very least show it

881
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: leaning away from Deb Fisher so much so that they

882
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: had her tide. In an internal poll leaked by the

883
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: Senate leadership Fund, which is the major superpack that backs

884
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: Republicans who are running for Senate, and now Mitch McConnell

885
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: and his guys are considering having to flood the zone

886
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: and spend millions of dollars actually backing her. Now keep

887
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: in mind, though he's still got forty four percent, so

888
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: six percent is undecided.

889
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: So it's so it could be fifty to fifty.

890
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: You have to bank on a decent amount of Republicans

891
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: who are you know, not even thinking about the race

892
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: in the state of Nebraska just because it's such a

893
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: hard GOP state. But I mean, if we're making the

894
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: bowl case for Osborne, it's not just the positions and

895
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: all those, but having made abortion in such a keystone

896
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: of his campaign, it's not the worst thing because that

897
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: has worked in Kansas, That has worked in Kentucky, right,

898
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: and a lot of these other deeply red states Ohio

899
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: as well for these referendums. So to make it on

900
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: that and also the key part he's independent, he's not

901
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: a Democrat, and he doesn't even say whether he would

902
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: caucus with the Democrats or anything, so you really you

903
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: can't project onto him a lot of this like, oh,

904
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: he would be a vote for you know, Chuck Schumer

905
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: or any of that. He's running really as his own man.

906
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: So I'm very interested to see how he does.

907
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: And if people remember from when he did his interview here,

908
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: he describes himself personally as pro life.

909
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: Yes, he's personally pro life, and he uses the phrase

910
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: pro life right, which is charged and triggering to some

911
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: people on the left.

912
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: Right, But who cares running into Braska? Exactly, he's exactly

913
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: he's So what he's doing is he's signaling that he

914
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: shares kind of the social conservative values that a lot

915
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: of Nebraskans have, but he is fundamentally more libertarian and

916
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: believes that it's not up to him that this is

917
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: his personal opinion, that's not how he's going to legislate.

918
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: And that's a seventy eighty percent position right there, Like

919
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: you're going to capture an overwhelming majority of people. What

920
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: this poll and all the other polls around Dan Olsborn

921
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: also show is the cost of being a Democrat, Like

922
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: this stigma and the stain of the Democratic brand in

923
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: rural America is so profound. Yes, So if you look

924
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: at another statewide race, Pete Ricketts leads Democrat Preston Love

925
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: fifty three to thirty seven, which is that and that's

926
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: how every other statewide in Nebraska is going to go

927
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: when you have a standard Republican and a standard Democrat.

928
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: If Dan Osborne were running as a Democrat, he's done.

929
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: He wouldn't even know his name? Who? Right? Who? It's

930
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: all the union leader, right, you read that led the

931
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 3: Kellogg strike. This guy sounds cool, but too bad. He's

932
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: gonna lose by twenty points. Yes, yes, So according to

933
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: the numbers here, he's basically outpolling the Democratic average by

934
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: twenty points. So that's the price. So that that is

935
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: the price, at least in Nebraska of being a Democrat.

936
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: Having a D on your name is twenty points makes

937
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: you unviable. And also everything's working out here for him

938
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: in the sense that deb Fisher is like completely replaceable.

939
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 3: But actually, but it's it's not like he just happened

940
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: to luck on a replacement level Republican. The way that

941
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: the Senate is structured now makes it so it's very

942
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: much like the House. You just do whatever the majority

943
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 3: leader or the minority leader tells.

944
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: You, don't really do anything. You do a little bit

945
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: of if you're actually decent in your job. You do

946
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: constituent services and that's about it.

947
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: So that the days where people could you know, you

948
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 3: have to be an incredibly talented politician at this point

949
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: to break out as a senator, and Deb Fisher was

950
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 3: just never going to be that. She's just a chamber

951
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: of commerce, like uh, you know, chamber of commerce when

952
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: she got in Trump, Now that Trump's the thing, and

953
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: so voters in Nebraska like, all right, well this other

954
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: guy sounds cooler. Yeah, I like it. Let's see, I

955
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: like to shake things up. So they're still against.

956
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: Him, Polly say, I'll be honest, I think Deb is

957
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: probably gonna win. But winning by two in Nebraska is humiliating.

958
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: And so listen, you know, these things they take some time.

959
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: So maybe somebody learns that and the next thing, you know,

960
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: another union leader and another state tries it, and all

961
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: you need is like what a terrible storm on election day?

962
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: Then shockingly you win. We have a Democrat who represents

963
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: a freaking state of Alaska. Right now, remember remember Doug

964
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 2: Jones in Alabama? That was I mean, a Democratic senator, Ali,

965
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: it can happen?

966
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 3: Did happen in my lifetime? It wasn't that long ago,

967
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: did he lose again. Yeah, but you never know, you know.

968
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: Also for people curious, and I'm curious for yoursing on this,

969
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: I am very confident that if it were decisive, he

970
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: would caut us with Democrats, or at least he would,

971
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: well you shouldn't say you shouldn't say that, but job,

972
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 3: I think he would. But he would extract so many

973
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 3: different pounds of flesh for Nebraska that everyone in nebrasa

974
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: And I think people in Nebraska understand that he's running

975
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: against the Republican right. Who was the senator?

976
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: Is it Indiana? Who was the Democrat under Obama during

977
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: the two thousand and nine?

978
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: Is that Luger? Is that what I'm thinking of? Dick Luger.

979
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: Dick Luger he was Was he Missouri? Dick Luger in Missouri?

980
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: All right?

981
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: Dick Luger Indiana? Yeah, he was Indiana. And I remember

982
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: him in the uh NO and and Nebraska was it

983
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: Ben Nelson? Nelson, that's it, right, Ben Nelson.

984
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: I remember him voting was it two thousand and nine?

985
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: Like you know, whatever that rescue plan was, and he

986
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'll do it, but there's a their

987
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: industry of billion dollars coming Nebraska and he got it too.

988
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: It was actually what they called it, No, I don't

989
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: the corn Husker kickback cornsk.

990
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 3: And so yeah, for mele mint in politics, this was

991
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: a huge thing.

992
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: What this is what led to Republicans banning ear marks

993
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, because that was before the Tea Party wave.

994
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: The Cornhuscar kickback became like a massive political discussion. When

995
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: Republicans take control of the House, they then ban they

996
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: ban ear marks, I want to say, for over a

997
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: decade and it became the predominant. I think they just

998
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: brought it back or somebody did or anything. But that's

999
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: what the last thing legacy of what that corn Husker

1000
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: kickback was.

1001
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking. And it got taken out

1002
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 3: because it was so it was it was so dumb.

1003
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't care.

1004
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: I remember I was reading a story once about LBJ

1005
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: and the Civil Rights Act and LBJ just become president

1006
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: and he needed some guy to like sign a discharge petition.

1007
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: I think the guy was from Purdue. This purdues like

1008
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: district in Indiana, and he said something in the long

1009
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: lines of it. He's like, listen, NASA, they've got a

1010
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: big contract. They could build it in Purdue. They could

1011
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: build it somewhere else too. A lot of that depends

1012
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: on the signature right now. And he was like, all right,

1013
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, and to this day they still have it.

1014
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: So Mary Landrew, yeah, got it. She was Louisiana, is right.

1015
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 3: She was the senator from Louisiana. She also got bought

1016
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 3: off for her vote on the Affordable Care Act. Hers

1017
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: was called the Louisiana Purchase. I like it, man. Politics

1018
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: used to be more fun the back of the day.

1019
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: Southern Democrats were.

1020
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: It's such an interesting like such an interesting breed that

1021
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: unfortunately people who watch politics they just won't even know

1022
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: anything about. But let's continue down this road, man, enthusiasm

1023
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: right now for early voting crazy, let's put this up

1024
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: there on the screen. What we have right now is

1025
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: that the Georgia early vote has shattered all records. We

1026
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: have some two hundred thousand votes that were cast on

1027
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: the very first day in Georgia. The previous record for

1028
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: early voting was one hundred and twenty thousand.

1029
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that is just absolutely stunning.

1030
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: So actually the total now that they've looked at it

1031
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: is three hundred and twenty eight thousand as of late

1032
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: last night. So that is one hundred and twenty three

1033
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: percent higher than the old record from twenty twenty, when

1034
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: a lot of more people were early voting. Now, for

1035
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: all the people out there who are like, oh, that's

1036
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: good for Democrats, no, Republicans have significantly changed their tune

1037
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: on early voting. And in fact, you have Republican activists

1038
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: who are just going hardcore, beating down the door getting people.

1039
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: You need to go out, you need to bank your vote,

1040
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: We need to make sure that it's done right now.

1041
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: So that is partially going to explain some of those

1042
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: answers what we and I believe George is one of

1043
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: those states where the demographic data all of that is

1044
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: like hard to capture. I've seen some of this in

1045
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: Michigan too. Michigan mail in ballots are crazy, but nobody

1046
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: knows who these people are exactly. But from it, what

1047
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: we know is that enthusiasm is still very high amongst

1048
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 2: the party faithful. The question is is that it's turnout

1049
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: going to come back to twenty twenty. There's really no

1050
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: way to know.

1051
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: Impossible. How hard was it inside the Republican coalition to

1052
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 3: get Trump to be supportive of it?

1053
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: I mean he's still not supportive of it. If you

1054
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: ask him about it, we are you still have problems

1055
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: with ma'am.

1056
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 3: It's more than he's to get him to the place

1057
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: where well he tells people go vote early.

1058
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well okay, Well what happened is is twenty

1059
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: twenty two. They were convinced that they were going to

1060
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: get a landmark victory in twenty twenty two, and then

1061
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: they got blown out.

1062
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: And so I saw a lot of them. It's funny

1063
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: the language of the US.

1064
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: They're like, well, if the left is going to ballot harvest,

1065
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: then we need to ballot harvest too. But watching them

1066
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: in practice, people like Charlie Kirk or Scott Pressler or

1067
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: all these guys, they're just they're like, Okay, this is

1068
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: a landscape. Let's register as many people as we can.

1069
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: Let's get their damn votes, and let's get them to

1070
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: the ballot box. Ultimately, that is the only actual way

1071
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: to victory, and if they do win, that will be

1072
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: a huge.

1073
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: Part of it.

1074
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: It was they get out the vote drive by a

1075
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: lot of these people instead of having to rely on

1076
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: early votes. So with Trump, he's never truly made his

1077
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: peace with it. But the people who know and the

1078
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: people really running elections and who want the Republicans to win,

1079
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: they have very much made their peace.

1080
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: They're like, look, this is the system we have. Can't

1081
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Speaker 3: change it.

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Speaker 2: Literally, Democrats democratic governors rule five out of the seven

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00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: swing states. That's a remarkable statistic. So that tells us

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00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 2: also that you know, they have no chance at changing

1085
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: whatever the ground is there, you have to you have

1086
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: to work.

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00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: To make sure that it's redone. So it's up to you.

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00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: And I think we're going to see national voter ID,

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00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 3: you know, as soon as we have as soon as

1090
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: we ever get a functional Congress, it's going to pass something. Again.

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Speaker 3: I think we'll get it. And it's because Democrats are

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00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 3: now becoming more of the upper middle class, middle class party,

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00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 3: and Republicans are the ones who have more working class support,

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00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: and so voter ID anything you do to you know,

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00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: if you look at the look at the numbers when

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00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: they go from registered voters to likely voters, Like throughout

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00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 3: my entire lifetime, Democrats did better among registered voters, but

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00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 3: worse among likely votes. Yes, that's right, because they had

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00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: more they had more working class support. Flipped in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 3: and so if you make it harder to vote, and

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Speaker 3: you have more working class support, your vote share is

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Speaker 3: going to go down. There you go. And so that's

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00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 3: why Democrats fought it and Republicans support it. Now that's flipped,

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00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: you're going to see all of a sudden, the principle

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00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: is going to be reversed. I like it. I can't

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Speaker 3: wait until Republicans are like, well, you know what, are

1107
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: we sure that let them signistic That actually will be hilarious.

1108
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 3: I did see somebody was what they're going to do

1109
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: is make student Republicans will say student ideas don't count,

1110
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: like that'll be there, which, look, you know it's a

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00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: state university.

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Speaker 2: It is difficult because there is a lot of like

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00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: low key voter fraud that does happen where people who

1114
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: don't live in that voter fraud is real.

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00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: No, it's it's true. And by the way, I'm not

1116
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: making a stop. This is a decades long weird thing.

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00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 3: We're at the epicenter of it in DC. Yes, so

1118
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: many people who have lived here for years. Yeah, we

1119
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: never registered to vote. They just vote back in wherever

1120
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Speaker 3: they're from Pennsylvania and they're like, well, that's it's not fair.

1121
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be able to have my vote count if

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00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: that actually, no, I don't know if that technically committed

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Speaker 3: voter fraud.

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Speaker 2: I think I voted, yeah, in Texas twenty sixteen, requested

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Speaker 2: a absentee ballot, but I think I qualified because I

1126
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Speaker 2: was a student who was out.

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Speaker 3: There's something about residency, Laura. But like you just said,

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Speaker 3: when people work here for fifteen years, that'll keep voting and.

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Speaker 2: You're going to keep requesting mail in balance. That's where

1130
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: it gets difficult. Okay, let's continue with the actual polls.

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00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: Just put this up there on the screen from Nate Silver.

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Speaker 3: He now has the.

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00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: Race officially fifty to fifty, Harris at fifty point one

1134
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: percent chance of winning, and you have Donald Trump at

1135
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: forty nine point seven.

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00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: So that's it. I mean, you know what else is

1137
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: the saying about it? Right? It got him incredible. It's like,

1138
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 3: come on, Nate Silvi, you got one job. Yeah, you're

1139
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: just telling us it's fifty to fifty. That doesn't help us. Well,

1140
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: if it is fifty to fifty, that's what he's got.

1141
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 3: I think that's what I actually think it's helpful.

1142
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 2: It's good for me fifty where it's at, and so

1143
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: the real thing that has happened is the tipping point states,

1144
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: for example, like Pennsylvania. Right now he has Harris at

1145
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: a fifty three point five percent chance of winning Pennsylvania

1146
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: and Trump at forty six. But the thing is is

1147
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: that Trump has gone so much higher in the last

1148
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. So for example, October seventh, just like

1149
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: a week or so ago, he had it at forty

1150
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: two point four percent chance of Trump and now he's

1151
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: up to forty six to five. So a slew of

1152
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: polls in the Upper Midwest and then the assumption that

1153
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: Trump will overperform in those places is really what is

1154
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: ticking him up.

1155
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, overall in Wisconsin. And this was the huge

1156
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: fear of Democrats who have been following Kamala Harris's career

1157
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 3: the whole time, that Okay, there'll be an initial burst

1158
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: of enthusiasm, but then she will revert to her more

1159
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: centrist instincts and she doesn't necessarily believe anything, but if

1160
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: she has a gravitational pull it is it is to

1161
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 3: the center. Yeah, and she has ditched the the one

1162
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 3: thing that the public I think liked about Biden, which

1163
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: is his his advisors and his rejection of kind of

1164
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: neoliberalism that actually implementing the things that people said they

1165
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 3: liked about Trump's populism, you know, low unemployment. Yeah, you know,

1166
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: they hate the inflation from twenty twenty one that has

1167
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 3: taken like since then to like rattle its way out

1168
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 3: of out of the economy. But in general, the strong

1169
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 3: anti trust stuff, anti corporate stuff, strump pro worker agenda,

1170
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: and she just refused to embrace that. It's interesting.

1171
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really don't know what a lot of it is.

1172
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: At the same time, they're going hard on this Cheney

1173
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: co oration and instead, yeah, well let's show people that.

1174
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: I mean, this is so Tim Walls. He was on

1175
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: the campaign trail. He was bragging about it. Let's take

1176
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 2: a listen.

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Speaker 7: The only thing more amazing is we got Bernie Sanders,

1178
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 7: Dick Cheney, and Taylor Swift all in the.

1179
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: Same there you go, all right, So we got Bernie Sanders,

1180
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: Dick Cheney, and Taylor Swift all together.

1181
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: And I'm like, imagine bragging about that. But they they

1182
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: love it. This change love it. It's it's it's uh.

1183
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: We first heard it and appears he got it from

1184
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 2: Amy Klobachar, who also made this joke previously.

1185
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: Take a listen to that she.

1186
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Speaker 4: Has brought with her independence and modern Republicans. Right, you

1187
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 4: saw the event with with Cheney, you know, and it's

1188
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 4: only a matter of time where we're going to see

1189
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 4: like a bush going through western Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: I want you to picture this Bernie Sanders and Dick

1191
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 3: Cheney together holding aside. That says Brant Paul.

1192
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's that they like it, Ryan, They love

1193
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 2: having Dick Cheney.

1194
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 3: I will never understand that one. I don't know. Also,

1195
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 3: there's no way Bernie Sanders is doing that, but the

1196
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: fact that Democrats are floating that fantasy too. I mean,

1197
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: he has, he has, he has, he has said like

1198
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 3: Dick Cheney's a war criminal, and I don't support being

1199
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Speaker 3: involved with dic Chane. Guess what, Bernie, you are, and

1200
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: they're going to keep reminding people that you are. The

1201
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 3: Only way that this is exciting for you is if

1202
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: you simply believe in taking power for power's sake, because

1203
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: then yeah, of course, if you have everything from Dick

1204
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: Cheney to Bernie Sanders, then that would that would suggest

1205
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: in the old world that you've got everything like you're

1206
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: going to I mean in the Democrats old understanding of

1207
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: the world. You're going to win with one hundred percent

1208
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: of the vote then, because that's far left to far right.

1209
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 3: What they're missing is that so many in the middle

1210
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 3: don't see themselves on that spectrum anymore. Yeah.

1211
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's an excellent point, and

1212
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: it's one that is genuinely concerning for what the future

1213
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: of Polo. And look, it's you know, you could say

1214
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: it's terrifying if Trump wins, right, he's got this coalition

1215
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: and that he's abandoned a lot of stuff they used

1216
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: to run on and it'll just be pure culture.

1217
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: But like, isn't it equally terrifying that it's like, oh,

1218
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: Dick change. And I think it's honestly, I'm scared. And

1219
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 3: for for so long, to those of us who were

1220
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: recoiling at Liz Cheney being embraced by the Democrats, they

1221
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: would say to us, look, it's just Liz Cheney. It's

1222
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 3: not Dick change. Yeah, And we would say, yeah, but Liz,

1223
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 3: lizten they have the same politics. She didn't wage the

1224
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 3: Iraq War, but she has the same politics. As they say, no, no, no,

1225
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: but it's not Dick Cheney. And now it's actually Dick Cheney. Yeah,

1226
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 3: who is somehow still alive?

1227
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 7: Right?

1228
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: Okay, test out this theory on you. I think she

1229
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: gets secked out for sex State.

1230
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: What do you think? No? No, why not? Everyone says

1231
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: she won't get confirmed. I don't buy it. Why wouldn't

1232
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: Lindsay Grahmble for Dick Chan for Liz Cheney. Of course

1233
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: she would. I mean they're not. Democrats have been praising

1234
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: her for the last like three years. She's a hero.

1235
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 3: I think she keeps saying shes gonna put her repub

1236
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: in her cabinet. What do you think she might? I

1237
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: think the reason I say no so quickly is that

1238
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: I refuse to believe that I live in that world,

1239
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: but gave it out. Do you not see it? But

1240
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: I might? Yeah?

1241
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Which Democrat realistically is going to vote against Dick Change?

1242
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: Change? I think Bernie sure, I think she would get confirmed.

1243
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: I think why she says I want to republican my cabinet.

1244
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: When Kamala has asked what do you agree with on

1245
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: Liz Chaney, she says Ukraine. Okay, so that's flagship policy.

1246
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: What's the real distance between them on foreign policy?

1247
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: Not very much?

1248
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Kamala's in the posty Rock era.

1249
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: She's never had to answer or vote for the Iraq war.

1250
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: So on Gaza, I mean.

1251
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: Like realistically, but they semi the same policy. Kamala says,

1252
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: what's the last show we did?

1253
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: Iran?

1254
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: Kamala says, Iran is our greatest officer. That's an answer

1255
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: straight out of a Cheney's mouth. I mean, I'm not

1256
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: seeing that much distance.

1257
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 3: You know. What they keep saying quietly to the people

1258
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: who are critical of this whole thing is that we

1259
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: have not moved to accept Liz Cheney. You know, it's

1260
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: the Republicans who changed, and Liz change just supports us

1261
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 3: because we defend democracy. The second that you're like, hey,

1262
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: you want to be Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense, Yeah,

1263
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: then either you have moved or you have always been

1264
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: a warmonger party. Look, and I think that both are true.

1265
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: Both in some ways are true, but they don't want

1266
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: to necessarily admit that.

1267
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious just to see how it plays out

1268
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: if she does win, because I mean that that would

1269
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: really give away everything. And like I said, I really

1270
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: do believe she would get confirmed. Everyone seems to think

1271
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: it would be a fight how they've been calling her

1272
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: a hero for four years. And when they say you

1273
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: would have a Republican in your you know, a Republican

1274
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: in your cabinet. I don't think she means Secretary of Transportation.

1275
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: I just maybe I'm wrong. RelA Hoods still alive. I'm

1276
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 3: not sure, but Obama named Rayla Hood, a moderate Republican,

1277
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: as Transportation secretary.

1278
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: The other thing I kept thinking about is what did

1279
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: Obama do whenever he comes in? Who does he keep

1280
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: as the SEC deaf Robert Gates? And remember how much

1281
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: they touted that bipartisanship. They're like, look, we've got a

1282
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: Republican who runs the Secretary of Defense? And then who

1283
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: else did he pick? Ryan Chuck Hagel, who was a

1284
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: Republican senator. So the president is there for some Liz Cheney,

1285
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: you know type figure to be the SEC daff By

1286
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: the way, she could be like, oh, her father he

1287
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: was a SEC deaf under I think it was under Reagan.

1288
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: You know, he had a long time experience. She grew

1289
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 3: up around it. So I'm just telling people the case

1290
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: is there. You heard it here first. I think it's

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Speaker 3: going to happen. I could be totally wrong. But I

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Speaker 3: see it the Yes, staffing, The best thing about a

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Speaker 3: Harris administration would be the war over staffing it because

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Speaker 3: that would be the that would be this, that would

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Speaker 3: be the civil war that we've been seeing over the

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Speaker 3: last fifteen years, Yes, playing out in miniature in just

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Speaker 3: a couple of months at drop site. We're actually going

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Speaker 3: to basically we've got we're putting budgets side just just

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Speaker 3: for the transit, just transition, welding on the transition in others.

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Speaker 3: And it'll be interesting if it's Trump, So yeah, well

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Speaker 3: it will be a fascinating dynamic either way. With Harris.

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Speaker 2: Something I keep thinking about is if the likelihood is

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have a GOP Senate, so are they even

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Speaker 2: going to confirm a single one of her people?

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Speaker 3: Right? I mean for reals, touch to acting people.

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Speaker 2: Legally, what would happen is that she would almost be

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Speaker 2: forced to keep the Biden cabinet because they have been

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Speaker 2: in uh, they've already been confirmed, and she could bring

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Speaker 2: them over. That could create its own really, yeah exactly,

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Speaker 2: or you could have just actings, but that's really difficult

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Speaker 2: for security clearance wise and all that.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, we're getting in the weeds.

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Speaker 2: But listen, folks, you know, preview of the show for

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Speaker 2: two months from now, because that's what hopefully we'll be

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Speaker 2: talking about either either direction. Staffing is so interesting about

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Speaker 2: who they pick and what's going to happen. All right,

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Speaker 2: Ryan break Israel down force, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: The reporter who's been breaking basically all of the news

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Speaker 3: from either the White House or out of the Knesset

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Speaker 3: or out of news camp buacra v over at Axiosis,

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Speaker 3: the receptacle for all the leaks from both sides, has

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Speaker 3: a news story that is kind of reshaping the politics.

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Speaker 3: There is Palise and we put his piece up here.

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Speaker 3: So basically what happened is over the weekend, the US

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Speaker 3: finally sent a sternly worded letter to Israel, which then

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Speaker 3: it appears quite clearly that Israel then leaked to Barak Ravid.

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Speaker 3: I want to read some of this just so people

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Speaker 3: can get a flavor for it. They write, the humanitarian

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Speaker 3: situation for over two million civilians in Gaza is increasingly dire.

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Speaker 3: This is supposed to be a private letter. Despite the

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Speaker 3: July transition from combat operations to special counter terrorism operations

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Speaker 3: in the Gaza Strip, multiple evacuation orders have forced one

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Speaker 3: point seven million people into a narrow coastal zone from

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Speaker 3: Muwassee to dary Bala. Extreme overcrowding has put these civilians

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Speaker 3: at high risk of lethal content. Humanitarian implementers report they

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Speaker 3: are unable to meet essential survival needs of aid dependent civilians.

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Speaker 3: Trucks carrying humanitarian commodities, including perishable goods funded by the

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Speaker 3: United States, are delayed at crossing platforms. I would encourage

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Speaker 3: people to go and read this entire letter. It reads

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Speaker 3: like some type of left wing screed that you would

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Speaker 3: find me penning somewhere, but it is just fact after

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Speaker 3: fact after fact that says that. And it says that

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Speaker 3: September was the worst month on records since this assault

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Speaker 3: began a year ago for humanitarian aid getting in. And

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Speaker 3: we also know that October has been worse than September.

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Speaker 3: The situation is completely out of control. And they highlight

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Speaker 3: the plight of four hundred thousand people, so you're talking

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Speaker 3: two point seven million people tucked into this little, tiny enclave.

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Speaker 3: They highlight the plight of four hundred thousand people in

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Speaker 3: North Gaza, that the IDF is ordering to leave North

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Speaker 3: Gaza or be considered combatants and has completely cut off

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Speaker 3: from water and humanitarian aid and starving, starving them to death,

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Speaker 3: and the US is saying you can't do this, like

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Speaker 3: there is no military justification for this. And these four

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand people, most of them are refusing to leave,

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Speaker 3: first of all, and we have some reporting on this

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Speaker 3: at Dropsite people who are who do try to leave

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Speaker 3: or then shot at, many of them killed. But many

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Speaker 3: others are saying, we're not leaving because we have been

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Speaker 3: through this rodeo. We do not believe that there is

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Speaker 3: anywhere else in Gaza to go that is safe. So

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Speaker 3: we're stuck here. This is part of and we can

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Speaker 3: put up this next this next tweet, which is kind

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Speaker 3: of a summary from the Israeli perspective of what's been

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Speaker 3: going on lately. So this letter comes at the same time.

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Speaker 3: And so if you're listening to this, this is somebody

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Speaker 3: who's doing a rundout, says, so a rundown of kind

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Speaker 3: of the international pressure Israel is under. One Italian prime

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Speaker 3: minister says that they're no longer supplying Israel with any weapons.

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Speaker 3: You know, Germany is refusing to supply weapons since March

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Some of this is like slightly exaggeration,

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Speaker 3: but this is the way it feels from the Israeli perspective.

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Speaker 3: United Kingdom canceled around thirty licenses to supply weapons for

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Speaker 3: France and Spain advocate for full weapon embargo. Five Canada

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Speaker 3: suspended thirty permits for arm sales, and then six is

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Speaker 3: this latest. USA threatens to halt weapons supply amid its

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Speaker 3: flight admit its fight with HESWELA. Then they quote allies

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Speaker 3: with Ironcloud support unquote, Israel will prevail, prevail with or

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Speaker 3: without you. So on the one hand, from the left,

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Speaker 3: we see this letter going to Israel as what took

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Speaker 3: you so long? Is a year in You're not serious,

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Speaker 3: You're not actually going to do any of this. From

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Speaker 3: Israel's perspective, they see themselves completely isolated. The left wing

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Speaker 3: perspective or not the I should it's not the left

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Speaker 3: wings my perspective, The question of what took you so

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Speaker 3: long made up most of the press briefing, like at

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Speaker 3: the well, that's the question is how real is this?

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Speaker 2: And also if you put them on deadline, that's after

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Speaker 2: the election, right, because we're twenty days to the elections.

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Speaker 2: So reality is you're not doing anything until exactly the election.

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Speaker 3: And it seems to be right. And what that thing is,

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Speaker 3: I think it's starting to become clear. But your question

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Speaker 3: is the one that everybody who read this letter immediately asked,

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Speaker 3: was what took you so long? And this was also

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Speaker 3: asked of Matt Miller. We can we can roll this

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Speaker 3: from the State Department.

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Speaker 1: The Foreign Assistant Act says when it's made known to

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Speaker 1: the President that the government of such country prohibits or

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Speaker 1: otherwise restricts directly or indirectly the transport of delivery of

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Speaker 1: the United States mentor assistance. It does not have arbitrarily. So,

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Speaker 1: given you are already saying humanitarian assistance is very low

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Speaker 1: and putting in front of Israel a bunch of concrete

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Speaker 1: measures on how to improve it, why are you waiting

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Speaker 1: for another thirty days to implement the law?

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Speaker 8: Because we believe it's appropriate to give them a chance

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Speaker 8: to cure the problem, and international humanitarian law does make

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Speaker 8: exceptions for certain I give you an example. Dual use

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Speaker 8: items is a good example. If there are the dual

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Speaker 8: use items that legitimately could use could be used as

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Speaker 8: a military purpose. Of course, governments are required to let

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Speaker 8: those dual use items in which is not to say

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Speaker 8: that they can use that exception as a blanket restriction

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Speaker 8: on anything that could be used as a dual use item.

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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of talking around in circles

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Speaker 3: at the press briefing, which you know, which was which

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Speaker 3: combined like some stern words like yes, like right now,

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Speaker 3: Israel we do believe is in violation of six to

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Speaker 3: twenty II, this thing that says you can't send a

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Speaker 3: military aid to a country that is blocking US humanitarian

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Speaker 3: aid at the same but they say, wait, we want

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Speaker 3: to give them a moment to cure this. The context

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Speaker 3: for this, like you said, is okay, thirty days is

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Speaker 3: after the election. What's going to happen after the election?

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Speaker 3: And I think we're starting to see that, So Control Room, Sorry,

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Speaker 3: we'll skip me for now. I had a couple questions

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Speaker 3: that I think are interesting but are not exactly on

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Speaker 3: this particular topics. Finished this topic first, if we could

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Speaker 3: jump to D five. This is Senator Lindsay Graham talking

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Speaker 3: about a quote unquote day after plan that is starting

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Speaker 3: to be developed kind of absent the Palestinians between the

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Speaker 3: US Israelis and some of their golf partners over there.

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Speaker 3: And I think you're going to start to see this

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Speaker 3: coming too focus, got it?

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Speaker 9: How's the time if you're ever going to do it

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Speaker 9: to start a dialogue with Saudi Arabia about the day after, right.

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Speaker 6: But the Saudis have also been very care that what

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Speaker 6: they want in return that there needs to be a viable, sovereign,

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Speaker 6: independent palace then the state which the israetis recognized.

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Speaker 9: They want two things for them to recognize the state

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Speaker 9: of Israel. They want a defensive agreement with the United States.

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Speaker 9: Saudi Arabia and the United States would have a mutual

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Speaker 9: defense agreement like we have with Japan and Australia. In

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Speaker 9: other words, the United States would go to war for

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Speaker 9: Saudi Arabia. That requires sixty seven votes in the US

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Speaker 9: Senate Center. Blumenthal is a democract trying to get the votes.

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Speaker 9: I told NBS a year and a half.

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Speaker 3: Ago that will be a heavy lift, but I will try.

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Speaker 6: But these Radis also have to want to recognize an

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Speaker 6: independent palaicy in state.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to do that.

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Speaker 9: An independent sovereign nation called Palestine with security guarantees for

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Speaker 9: Israel to make sure there's no future October seventh, It

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Speaker 9: will be more like an emirate than it will be

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Speaker 9: a democracy. NBS and NBZ at the UEE will come

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Speaker 9: in and rebuild Gaza, they will reform the PA. They

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Speaker 9: will create an enclave in the Palestine that can live

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Speaker 9: in peace and harmony with Israel. They will stop teaching

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Speaker 9: their children to kill the Jews. I deradicalized, I demoted how.

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Speaker 4: They teach it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, literally, So what's going on there? Yeah, So the

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Speaker 3: key phrase there is from from Graham if you pick

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Speaker 3: this up, was quote called Palestine. So this morning Barack

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Speaker 3: revived had another piece and this this goes into the

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Speaker 3: the the context of what we're talking about here. Basically,

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Speaker 3: Ron Drmer who is UH and some top officials over

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Speaker 3: at the UAE met with Anthony Blincoln and presented him

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Speaker 3: with a with the proposal that you basically just heard

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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham layout. That was Lindsay Grahams was about a

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Speaker 3: week ago. This is this. This is putting it down

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Speaker 3: in pay per form. And what they what they asked

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Speaker 3: Lincoln to do was perhaps after the election, to present

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Speaker 3: it as a US plan that the US has decided

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Speaker 3: that this is the way to go forward. And the

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Speaker 3: plan sidesteps the idea of Palestinian statehood because as as

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Speaker 3: the report lays out, Yahoo is stridently opposed to any

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Speaker 3: mention of a two state solution, that any any idea

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Speaker 3: that Palestinians would get any version of statehood in this

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Speaker 3: plan is something that net Yahu rejects. Yet he is

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Speaker 3: still working with the UAE on moving forward with this plan.

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Speaker 3: And so that's where it goes back to Lindsey Graham's

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Speaker 3: idea of quote unquote called Palestine. So what that means, basically,

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Speaker 3: as he said, it would be an emirate, so it

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Speaker 3: would be something under the UAE. Is that Yes, So basically,

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Speaker 3: the US, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, who knows who else

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Speaker 3: would get in would get in and they'd say, okay,

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Speaker 3: we are we're getting rid of a boss and we're

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Speaker 3: getting rid of the because Israel wants the Israel doesn't

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Speaker 3: want to even approve of the Palestine authority being involved

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Speaker 3: in this, and they will create some other mechanism that

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Speaker 3: they will call independent. They will call Palestine and the

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Speaker 3: UA and Saudi Arabia will offer the guarantee, the security guarantees,

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Speaker 3: and then they'll be They'll they'll offer the funding. The

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Speaker 3: US will fund it as well. Uh, and Israel then

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Speaker 3: have to withdraw, but it will not be remotely sovereign. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and it will will be the sovereign u AE. Well,

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Speaker 3: the whole thing's fake. Yeah, yeah, that's the I think.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm just trying to get so you're trying.

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Speaker 3: So basically the way for the way for Israel to

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Speaker 3: agree to it is that it would have to have

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Speaker 3: no real sovereignty, but it would have to be called sovereign.

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Speaker 2: Look, this is nation building at it's absolute worse, trying

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01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: to impose. First of all, I've lived and notice what

1503
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about, Yeah, Palasini, Yeah, that's what I

1504
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: was going to say. I've lived in the golf. The golf,

1505
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: they don't care about Palestine. Okay, now, the people, but

1506
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: the leaders themselves they don't care at all.

1507
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 3: Period. They've gave up a long time ago. They wouldn't

1508
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: even open their mouths that they have to deal with it.

1509
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, you know the actual people there who live,

1510
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 2: they definitely do. But the actual leadership they care less that.

1511
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: They just want to be rich, live in London. That's

1512
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 2: all they care about. But so this is like a

1513
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 2: thorny problem for them for them to if you have

1514
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: to consider this, to impose like the rule from the

1515
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 2: UAE onto people of whom they have like no relation to.

1516
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 3: Both.

1517
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they may speak the same language, that's about it.

1518
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: They frankly like disdain and already look down upon that's

1519
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster. What do you think is going

1520
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: to happen. You're gonna have massive insurgency, You're going to

1521
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 2: have like the funding for it. It will be like

1522
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,759
Speaker 2: Afghanistan two point zero in terms of trying to impose

1523
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: this like fake form of government with allies, partners and

1524
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 2: all of this other onto for And if you were Hama,

1525
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: like why would you even accept that? You would just

1526
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: fight against now this new and curtain. The only things

1527
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: that would do is bail out Israel because they're the

1528
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: other ones who don't want.

1529
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 3: To be the auto and Isue won't even accept this right,

1530
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 3: which is which is well, Yeah, what's delusional about it

1531
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 3: is that they still have this idea that it's the

1532
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 3: textbooks that is that's creating like the hostility and the conflict.

1533
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:15,879
Speaker 3: Every school in Gaza has been destroyed by Israel's assault

1534
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: on Gaza. What you're talking about textbooks? They're blowing up

1535
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: all of the schools. If you talk to Palestinians live

1536
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 3: in Gaza and ask them about the textbooks, some will say, yeah,

1537
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: there actually is some like cringe worthy stuff in there

1538
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 3: that should be like edited out. But the idea that

1539
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 3: the resentment is of Jewish Israelis comes from the textbooks

1540
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 3: ignores the fact that they've been getting bombed for a

1541
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 3: year and starved to death and that and pushed into

1542
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 3: an enclay where they're like infectious disease is like spreading

1543
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 3: out of control, Like the material conditions are creating the resentment.

1544
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 3: And if you print a new textbook that is filled

1545
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 3: with propaganda about the virtues of the Israeli state, you

1546
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 3: don't even have a school left standing where you can

1547
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 3: hand that textbook out to students. Like it's so utterly

1548
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: divorced from the reality on the ground that you wonder,

1549
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 3: you know, when when is this going to when is

1550
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 3: this going to actually clash? Yeah, and we really let

1551
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 3: alone the fact that you know, so many bombs have

1552
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: been dropped on kaza Uh that the unexploded ordinance itself

1553
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 3: will take decades to remove before you can even do

1554
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 3: the reconstruction.

1555
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: What this just reeks of me is like imperial you know,

1556
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: agenda right, like imposing rule, drawing state line, all these

1557
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: things we use. Supposed guess this is some and it

1558
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 2: might actually even be worse because this is it doesn't

1559
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: even involve any of the people who supposedly.

1560
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 3: Would rule over. And my guess is we will see

1561
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 3: something like this.

1562
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: Absolutely I agree with you, this is a most likely outcome.

1563
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: But the point is is that in the twenty first

1564
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: century it's not going to last. As in the power

1565
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: the only the amount of force it would take to

1566
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 2: enforce something like this is not I mean, it is

1567
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 2: within the realm of.

1568
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: Possibility for the US.

1569
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 2: It shouldn't shouldn't be that we have no interest in

1570
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: doing this doesn't mean I guess that we wouldn't get

1571
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 2: locked into it, but it's it would turn into a

1572
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: multi decade quagmire. The current it would just be completely unsustainable.

1573
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they basically it would just have to shrink

1574
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: the population down to which was what they're ultimately trying

1575
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: to do. Shrink the population down to a quote unquote

1576
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 3: manageable size. I think we can if people want to

1577
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: see my exchanges. You are with the States right now,

1578
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 3: we can say tomorrow it's like we're running a long time.

1579
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 3: People can check out the drop side of twitter feed.

1580
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 3: Check out the dropside twitter Feed. It's there. Okay, plagiarism

1581
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 3: set it up for us. What happened? Ryan Kamala Harris

1582
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 3: wrote a book when she was a district attorney called

1583
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: Smart on Crime. Yes, she had had a co author

1584
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 3: on it. I can't remember the see something. I can't

1585
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: even remember the guy, the guy's name or the person's name.

1586
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 3: So Chris Ruffo ran basically the book through plagiarism defection

1587
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 3: and also gave it to like the guy who's known

1588
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 3: as like the Plagiarism Hunter and an Australian guy. He

1589
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: found a bunch of we can put this first element

1590
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 3: up the scround. He found, you know a ton of

1591
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: evidence of plagiarism. Yeah, what we'd understand is plagiarism. Like

1592
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: some of the most hilarious examples would come from John Jay.

1593
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 3: So John Jay College put out a press release about

1594
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 3: a program that they were doing. It's like a two

1595
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 3: or three hundred, two hundred word press release, and the

1596
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: guy or the person the author clearly just copied and

1597
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 3: pasted the press release, dropped it into the text and

1598
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 3: did not put it in quotes. Sometimes. What happened in

1599
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 3: a lot of these examples there was a citation like

1600
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 3: according to John Jay cop or according to whatever, you're

1601
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: still supposed to rewrite the words.

1602
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly that for anybody who's ever been through

1603
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: a college. What's crazy to me is quote sole long

1604
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 2: passages directly from Wikipedia not only assumes the online accuracy,

1605
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: but copies its language quote newly, verbatim without citing a source.

1606
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: That's pretty bad. That's like as if any college freshman

1607
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: you're I wouldn't know if you get expelled over that,

1608
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: but like you're gonna get it. You're gonna have a problem.

1609
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a little talking to from profess.

1610
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 3: The other bad stuff is that they noticed that a

1611
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: lot of the plagiarism that the book does comes from

1612
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 3: the Wikipedia footnotes. So it's either Wikipedia itself. Yeah, and

1613
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 3: so you can just tell how you know the research

1614
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 3: is being done all right reading here, Oh, I don't

1615
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 3: want a copy from Wikipedia. Let me let me click

1616
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 3: on the foot.

1617
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 2: Somewhat related and then right, it's anybody out there's ever

1618
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 2: had to do it. But look, it's obviously a terrible look.

1619
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 3: And even in terms. Yeah, go ahead. No, I was

1620
01:18:54,439 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 3: just gonna say, like fundamentally, substantially, like, do either of

1621
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 3: us care that a ghost written book was plagiarized? I

1622
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 3: think we probably don't. Like we don't. We have probably

1623
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: such a low opinion of our politicians. Correct that.

1624
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: I mean, you and I know the inside process. I

1625
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 2: know multiple politicians. I also I know the people who

1626
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: actually wrote their books. Those people I have a little

1627
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 2: bit of familiarity with. I literally have friends who have

1628
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 2: written politicians books. It's kind of funny.

1629
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 3: And most politicians I don't know about. Most lots of

1630
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 3: politicians don't even read. Oh yeah, absolutely the book let

1631
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 3: alone having had a hand in actually writing it. Now

1632
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 3: it's still Kamala Harris's response, that's true. Thing, she put

1633
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 3: her name on the book, and she did not put

1634
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 3: the fear of God into the ghost writer to say,

1635
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 3: don't plagiarize any of this and get me in trouble

1636
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: twenty years later when I'm running for running for president.

1637
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 3: So therefore, like she is responsible, I also don't care.

1638
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: What I do care about is the media's response that's

1639
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 3: for thisarticularly the New York Times, which has been the

1640
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 3: worst offender response to it. So notice the headline conservative

1641
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 3: activist seizes on passages from Harris' book. So the story, well,

1642
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 3: you know you got to be the subhead too. Yeah.

1643
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 3: A report by Christopher Rufo says the Democratic presidential nominee

1644
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 3: copied five short passages for her two thousand and nine

1645
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 3: book on crime. A plagiarism expert said the lapses were

1646
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: not serious. So starting with the headline, they what they

1647
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 3: focus on is what Chris Rufo is doing, which isn't

1648
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,080
Speaker 3: the point. Who cares? Like, who cares what Chris Rufo

1649
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 3: is doing? I don't care what Chris Rufo does all

1650
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 3: day long. It only matters if he gets something right.

1651
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: Chris Rufo sezes on lots of things. Should it be

1652
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 3: a headline in the New York Times? Every time Chris

1653
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 3: Rufo seizes on something absolutely insane, So it's already slanted

1654
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 3: to begin with, like either either the Time should write

1655
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 3: an artic about it or not, and if they decide

1656
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: to write an article about it, the article should be

1657
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 3: that you know whether or not it is their plagiarism

1658
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 3: in the book. The subhead, which you're picking up on,

1659
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 3: to me is just it's offensive. Clearly they're trying to

1660
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 3: minimize in that subhead five short passages. So by saying five,

1661
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 3: that's already wildly wrong, Like there's a whole bunch more

1662
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 3: passages that they found. By five, they're trying to narrow

1663
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,560
Speaker 3: it to one little thing. By short, they're trying to

1664
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 3: minimize the kind of intellectual crime committed there. And then

1665
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 3: a plagiarism expert said the lapses were not serious. That

1666
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 3: plagiarism expert has now come under fire and has said

1667
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 3: that The New York Times only shared with them a

1668
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 3: couple of the excerpts, not all of them, and so

1669
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: they cannot be they should not. They're saying, look, don't

1670
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 3: use me as a shield here. Yes, what's so stupid

1671
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 3: about that.

1672
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 2: We had a joke back in my Daily caller days

1673
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,799
Speaker 2: about any time that we would report something, the headline

1674
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: would just be conservatives on X, Y and Z, and

1675
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 2: you're on. It'd be like conservative pounds on Harris plagiarism accusations. Whereas,

1676
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: let's say it came from like where you used to

1677
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 2: work at the Hoffington Post, they'd be like, huff Po

1678
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: reveals Harris plagiary right, and it's like, look, it's a

1679
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: very subtle form of media like bias. But it's also

1680
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: a little bit ridiculous because, as you just said, Ryan,

1681
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: you and I work in the news business. The headline

1682
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 2: here is Harris plagiarism revealed in two thousand and nine book,

1683
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: and then you cite where it came from. You can

1684
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: even add all this bs about some plagiarism exports, just

1685
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: that it's not that bad. Fine, you know all of

1686
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: that is color and that you should be filling out

1687
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: the rest of your paragraphs. But at a very basic level,

1688
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 2: it's just very telling that their news judgment is conservative

1689
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: activists seizes on passages from Harris book. It's like out

1690
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: of a meme of what the what the actual thing is.

1691
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 2: And then if you read that subhead, it says copy

1692
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 2: five short passages or two thousand and nine book, A

1693
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 2: plagiari and expert said the lapses. We're not serious. What

1694
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 2: do you take away from it? It's a conservative hip

1695
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 2: piece and it's actually not that bad. How many people

1696
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 2: actually read the story very few, So the headline stuff

1697
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:08,640
Speaker 2: had you know, in the news business, that's just kind

1698
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: of how it works. Is all designed to convey fundamentally

1699
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 2: a partison message and what is supposed to be a

1700
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 2: news story. That's the problem. That's media bias in a nutshell,

1701
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 2: that's how it works.

1702
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 3: But if you read the story, even they can they

1703
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: continue to sort of basically play defense for for Harris.

1704
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 3: They like, they say, the passages called into question by

1705
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 3: mister Rufo on his substack platform, which is a little

1706
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 3: dig substance. Yeah, substack, Yeah, I like that. It involve

1707
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: about five hundred words in the approximately sixty five thousand word,

1708
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 3: two hundred page books. So what they're trying to say

1709
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 3: is like it's tiny dot, don't worry about it now,

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01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 3: Like we're up to like a dozen or so. It's

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01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 3: like the five isn't even even right. Five hundred words

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01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 3: of plagiarism is it's several pages? Like that's an action.

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01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a decent amount of plagiarism. And

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01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 3: then they say then they say that she wrote the

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01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: book with another author. Fair, that's that's like, that's her

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01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,560
Speaker 3: best defense. And in a review of the book, The

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01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 3: Times found that none of the passages in question took

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01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 3: the ideas or thoughts of another writer, which is considered

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01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 3: the most serious form of plagiarism. Instead, the sentences copy

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01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 3: descriptions of programs or statistical information that appear elsewhere. So okay, fine, yeah,

1721
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: but just say that like instead of this, like this

1722
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 3: relentless kind of minimizing and defense of it, or just

1723
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 3: don't write the article. I don't understand what the why

1724
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 3: the New York Times feels like they have to write

1725
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 3: the I guess they felt like there's under so much

1726
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: pressure they have to write the article. Yeah, but then.

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01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, why even cover it? That's

1728
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,959
Speaker 2: just news judgment. At that point, they had three reporters

1729
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: on the byline. One of them is the college and

1730
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 2: that's you know, look at structural level, it's kind of

1731
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 2: sad because you have the college and university journalist correspondent

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01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,440
Speaker 2: for the New York Times, who is now underplaying plagiarism.

1733
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 3: So is that really who you want.

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01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 2: Covering college and university issues. This is why they shoot

1735
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 2: themselves in the foot when they try and go in

1736
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: some half direction and why everyone is better off, which

1737
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 2: is straight up news from these outlets.

1738
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 3: Just report it.

1739
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: But as you just said, most Democrats are just going

1740
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: to ignore it. It will be a talking point by

1741
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 2: Trump or jd Vance. But at the end of the day,

1742
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: is the election going to turn on this. No, I mean,

1743
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean it is like sometimes when

1744
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 2: you think about it, Biden's nineteen eighty eight campaign was

1745
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: sunk on plagiarism accusations from when was it his law

1746
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: school days or something?

1747
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 3: No, well, well I forget it was even better. Yeah,

1748
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 3: so he was plagiarizing his stump speech, that's why, and

1749
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: his bio. Yes, that's why. That's why Jammy was this

1750
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 3: Neil Kinnock, the Scottish populous politician. Huh, and Biden was

1751
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 3: stole the Scottish politician's backstory. Yeah. There were a couple

1752
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 3: of times where Biden like accidentally said that his family

1753
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 3: had been like working these hill for thousands of years.

1754
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 3: It's like, wait a minute, hold on, we're pretty sure,

1755
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 3: pretty sure that or maybe it was hundreds of years.

1756
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 3: Whatever it was, it was hilariously impossible for this irishman

1757
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 3: to talk about Scranton that way you have or delaware

1758
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: like you haven't been there for that long. Then it

1759
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 3: turned out that he cheated into college and lied and

1760
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 3: it was about a pattern. Yeah, but it was. It

1761
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 3: was his stump speech and his bio. If it wasn't,

1762
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, you plagiarize how John Jay describes a program.

1763
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 3: It's funny you plagiarize somebody else's bio and apply it

1764
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 3: to yourself. That's absolutely hilariously ridiculous. But for me, the

1765
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 3: New York Times should just take the l Times.

1766
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: You didn't, Yeah, exactly, it's not an eld on a team.

1767
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 3: You're supposed to cover their campaign. It's dumb. Her her

1768
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 3: co author screwed up. She never read the book. Rufo

1769
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 3: caught him.

1770
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you got them. You get to write Le's over. Yeah,

1771
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 2: just write the story and move on.

1772
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 3: Now you extend it and and you make and you

1773
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 3: make it actually interesting to people.

1774
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 2: Like me, yes, who are like, wait, why is it

1775
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: in k Why are you incapable of saying yes, this

1776
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: is obviously.

1777
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 3: And then the right, which is already skeptical of The

1778
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 3: New York Times. And while we're on this, control rooms

1779
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 3: the I think it was it's d six. Oh yeah,

1780
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: can you pull that over, which is actually more relevant

1781
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 3: to this this block. So The Times is involved in

1782
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 3: this other uh kind of scandal here, which is a

1783
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 3: completely manufactured scandal. So basically they ran they ran an

1784
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 3: opinion essay from sixty five doctors who had who have

1785
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: served time at medical facilities in Gaza, saying that they

1786
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,919
Speaker 3: observed a pattern of the I d F sniping children

1787
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 3: in the heart and in the head, and they included

1788
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 3: three x raised cat scans that immediately sleuths on Twitter

1789
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 3: used their armchair expertise to say, we're incorrect. The Times

1790
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 3: then reinvestigated everything that they'd been given by these doctors

1791
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 3: and put out a very strong statement that said, we

1792
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 3: have we checked the metadata. We gave these x raisins

1793
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 3: cat scans to new independent doctors. We also have photos

1794
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 3: of these children in question that match the cat scans.

1795
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 3: We are not publishing the photos because the photos are

1796
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 3: too gruesome of these children. And also people forgot people

1797
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 3: are like a bullet hitting ahead, it would have shattered

1798
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 3: the skull all over the place. Like these are children

1799
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 3: who lived, Like that's why they're in the hospital. Like

1800
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 3: stop with your armchair.

1801
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 2: Oh, like I can see some of this. There was

1802
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,760
Speaker 2: some like listen, I never know. I don't know enough

1803
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 2: about bulleticks, right, bullets or any.

1804
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,479
Speaker 3: Of this other you know enough to get Yeah. I'm like,

1805
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I saw somebody who was like,

1806
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 3: oh it doesn't comport.

1807
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, doctor says this and that, and then

1808
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: you know I saw that and I'm like, okay, well

1809
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 2: but another doctor, a bunch of the people who signed

1810
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: it were like, no, this is actually a systematic thing.

1811
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 3: I was assuming to get published in the Times, that

1812
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 3: there was at some level.

1813
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 2: Hue of due diligence amount of facts, especially for something

1814
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 2: like this right which you know is going to ignite

1815
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: a firestorm.

1816
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 3: And then they came out and they're like, no, we

1817
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 3: think it's true. And so what's what's interesting to me

1818
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 3: about this is who the Times feels compelled to respond to.

1819
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 3: Uh So, for whatever reason, they felt the need to

1820
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 3: write this weird story about the plagiarism and allegations and

1821
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 3: then write it in the way that they did. Then,

1822
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: when it comes to some Twitter cranks who were calling

1823
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 3: into question this article that they thoroughly vetted, they feel

1824
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: the need to do it like quick independence see what

1825
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 3: you're saying, investigation always re yeah, exactly. Frozer lobby comes

1826
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: at them, they feel the need that they they better

1827
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 3: defend their stuff, and immediately they're out with this very

1828
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 3: thorough statement. You know what, Good for them, But I

1829
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 3: wish they would do that all the time. I see

1830
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 3: what you're saying with their infamous Screams without Words investigation

1831
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 3: that came out December twenty eighth of last year, which

1832
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 3: was alleging that they had uncovered systematic use of sexual

1833
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 3: violence by Hamas on October seventh, extraordinary claim. Within hours,

1834
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 3: people were casting doubt on that and finding that, like

1835
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 3: people in the story, had contradicted themselves in previous ways.

1836
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 3: Within days there were articles written about that report. They

1837
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 3: didn't feel the need to respond to that at all.

1838
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 3: It was only until months later, you know, when when

1839
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 3: the Intercept came in and did much more thorough not

1840
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 3: more thorough, but did invest our own investigation and eventually

1841
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 3: got a spokesperson for one of the kip A team

1842
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 3: on the record that then like okay, and and they

1843
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 3: gently update their piece to say, okay, this part isn't true.

1844
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 3: Just incredible. But it felt no need to respond the

1845
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 3: same way that they did to these Twitter cranks who

1846
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 3: are doing trutherism around cat scans. So just New York

1847
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 3: Times is such a mess, it's the point, well said Ryan,

1848
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 3: all Right, thank you guys for watching, Thank you for

1849
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 3: having me. Ryan. I enjoyed being here. It was fun.

1850
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 3: Thank you guys are having a great job, and I'm

1851
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 3: not leaving this seat when Emily gets back.

1852
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: And okay, hey Chrystal, I switched side. People freaked out

1853
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 2: about it. Honestly, get over yourselves. Okay, sometimes more comfortable,

1854
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 2: sometimes fun. Maybe we'll switch sides.

1855
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 3: Again, you know, do whatever we want to round, sit

1856
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 3: where we want. Yeah, exactly. What's the point of being

1857
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 3: your own boss? We can't do it.

1858
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 2: That's the whole point, all right, guys, I love you,

1859
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 2: appreciate you, and I will see you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: M