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Speaker 1: Into the uptime for the touchdown, Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Honor to the five and end of the end zone

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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: All that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 1: Rights the latest news and notes from the insiders who

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Speaker 3: Break it On, Break It On, Tuckdown, Saving Hollin slammed

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Speaker 3: the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo. He came

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Speaker 3: flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: H skirting nobody. Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 3: I'm long been a believer that reality is the best comedy.

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Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say, I believe you in

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Speaker 4: UFO's and Aliens.

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Speaker 5: There where's that clip?

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Speaker 3: Cody Danny Surrech, Aaron Erman. I mean, seriously, you know

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Speaker 3: what those are that you're both off sides. You both

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Speaker 3: jumped the snap count. I mean, honestly, you both just

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Speaker 3: you're in the neutral zone right off the bat here

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Speaker 3: on Cardinals Underground. You know, I'm gonna go with a

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Speaker 3: hard count another time. I'm gonna keep getting flags on

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Speaker 3: the two of you for jumping what is not where

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Speaker 3: I was going. Comedy is the best reality.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, I'm feeling very Elijah Wilkinson right now.

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Speaker 3: The Giants, the Giants on Prime time four times already

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Speaker 3: this season. Come on, now, that's reality is the best comedy.

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Speaker 3: They haven't even scored a touchdown in three plus games.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Paul, are you off the couch here?

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Speaker 3: If the Cowboys? That was a solid line by it

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Speaker 3: by Justin Pugh. By the way, By the way, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna guess Justin Pugh who is gonna go into the

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Speaker 3: commercial real estate sector? And he was gonna be, you know,

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Speaker 3: the next Wall Street tycoon. Commercial real estate. Not the

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Speaker 3: time to go into that sector of the economy right now,

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Speaker 3: so I think he went back to his football prowess.

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Speaker 5: Do you have something to get off your chest with

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Speaker 5: your own investments?

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Speaker 3: No, I just let's move it along. Yeah, comedy is

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Speaker 3: the best. Reality is the best comedy. See now, now

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Speaker 3: I'm screwing up the hard snap count here on Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Pacific Office Automation as by myself.

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Speaker 3: Time if the Cowboys, Danny Sirek, and post Malone can

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Speaker 3: team up to open up a what was it? A

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Speaker 3: Cowboys and post Malone themed raising canes in Dallas?

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Speaker 2: What did you?

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Speaker 5: What the hell are you talking about? All?

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Speaker 2: You got to google that up?

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Speaker 4: You have to understand there's a there's a connection. Post

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Speaker 4: Malone is is a huge Cowboys fan. He has a

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Speaker 4: song where he mentions Dak Prescott's name. I also not

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Speaker 4: when I was there. I believe. I'm not one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent sure. I believe at one point his dad was

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Speaker 4: an employee for the Cowboys in some facett I don't

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Speaker 4: think on the football side, but I think I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure that's a connection as well. So that's why there's

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Speaker 4: he just yes, that is what he is.

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Speaker 2: Post Malone was never drafted like dou s Vawn.

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Speaker 3: Was he?

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Speaker 4: No, he was not. There's a lot of questions I

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Speaker 4: need to answer right now. No, but this cane's it

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Speaker 4: looks so cool. The drive through is a big star

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Speaker 4: that you drive through, and it's it's not the normal

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Speaker 4: branding of the colors, like the colors on the outside

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Speaker 4: and inside are all cowboys blue, and it's lit up

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Speaker 4: and it's got cowboys and post Malone memorabilia inside. I

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Speaker 4: don't know where exactly it is, like if it's close

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Speaker 4: to their practice facility in Frisco, but it looks cool.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how does Jarrah and post Malone come together

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Speaker 5: It feels like somebody took a gummy and just went

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Those aren't legal in Texas, Darren So.

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Speaker 3: I definitely it's legal in Texas except guns. And if

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Speaker 3: the Stinking Bears can currently hold the first two picks

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Speaker 3: and not the Cardinals, then you know what we can

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Speaker 3: most definitely podcast here on Cardinals Underground once again brought

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Speaker 4: If you're still with us, we appreciate you for sticking

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Speaker 4: with us. There were this wild open not.

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Speaker 3: Just on you, Paul, it's just been you know what,

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Speaker 3: That introl wasn't just on me, that was all eleven.

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Speaker 4: It was eleven of us and Jim I'm a hunter

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Speaker 4: back there behind the wall.

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Speaker 3: Two for not providing the right coaching, play calling and guidance.

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Speaker 3: That's who I put it on. Obviously, we weren't prepared

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Speaker 3: for a kickoff here on Cardinals Underground. That's that's really

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Speaker 3: what it came down to. All right, let's boil it down.

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Speaker 3: Have quarterback, we'll travel. What do the Cardinals have at

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Speaker 3: quarterback right now? In Josh Dobbs Week one, okay, he

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Speaker 3: had six days of practice, I get it. There was

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Speaker 3: some up, there was some down, all to be expected.

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Speaker 3: Weeks two through four, he got better every game. He

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Speaker 3: had zero turnovers. He had a completion percentage of seventy

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Speaker 3: one percent. Weeks two through four it looked pretty pretty good,

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Speaker 3: you know, the old Larry David. And then the last

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Speaker 3: two games, the last two games, Okay, what are you

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Speaker 3: looking at? How much of it is Josh Dobbs? Is

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Speaker 3: I define the question because I'm getting some befuddled looks here.

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Speaker 3: How much of it is the NFL catching up to

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Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs. Now that there's four or five six games

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Speaker 5: That's amazing. Since I asked Drew Petts in the same

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Speaker 5: exact question, See, I wasn't in there for that. We

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Speaker 5: football works. I was giving them, you know, the insight

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Speaker 5: on the game itself. So what was the answer, Darren,

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Speaker 5: Do tell because I was not there. A little of both, Paul,

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Speaker 5: it was a little of both, A little that was

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Speaker 5: the of what the NFL catching up to him. And

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Speaker 5: on Josh Dobbs.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I actually kind of feel the same way, I think,

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Speaker 4: not entirely the same way. Let me explain. Is it

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Speaker 4: just on Josh Dobbs in terms of this team only

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Speaker 4: having one win under their belt?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean, you know it's going to take everyone

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Speaker 4: of a game. Quarterback lead your offense, so fair or not,

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Speaker 4: the quarterback takes the blame and that's just how it works.

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Speaker 4: And the lack of experience. Although Dobbs is a long

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Speaker 4: most he's ever strung This many starts is the most

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Speaker 4: he's strung together in his career. He only had two

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Speaker 4: that when you look at the rest of this offense,

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Speaker 4: it's not consistent week after week. And I think the

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Speaker 4: way that this offense is built right now when it

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Speaker 4: comes to more so the personnel, not necessarily the scheme.

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Speaker 4: You need a quarterback who is going to elevate your players.

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Speaker 4: You need a healthy Kyler Murray out there that's going

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Speaker 4: to elevate your players. That's just the position that this

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Speaker 4: Cardinals offense is in when you're looking at how this

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Speaker 4: that lack of experience, I don't think that's the type

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Speaker 4: of quarterback that Josh Dobbs is. And so when you

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Speaker 4: have whether that is simply on Dobbs and the lack

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Speaker 4: of accuracy with those overthrown balls or throwing Hollywood Brown

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Speaker 4: out of bound Sunday in LA, maybe that's more chemistry,

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Speaker 4: right thinking about zach Ertz and how that target hasn't

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Speaker 4: You need a quarterback that's going to make the players

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Speaker 4: as a whole isn't clicking enough. And so when you

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Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback with that much experience and as

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Speaker 4: much talent as someone like Kyler Murray. It makes it

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Speaker 4: difficult trying to make things work when you don't have

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Speaker 4: all these superstars in all these places. You know that

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Speaker 4: that can get by with a quarterback like Dobbs.

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Speaker 3: Can I throw a third factor into the equation? Maybe,

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Speaker 3: just maybe if they would have had an entire offseason,

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Speaker 5: Perhaps here's the thing. There's definitely been some play where

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Speaker 5: chemistry would have helped. But let's take one play for instance,

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Speaker 5: the out of bounce throw. How that's how is that chemistry?

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Speaker 5: That has nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 4: That's accuracy.

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Speaker 5: That's that's just plain accuracy. And the reality is is

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Speaker 5: when you look at a couple of the photos by

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Speaker 5: our very talented photographer, Caitlin, Hollywood Brown was way past them, like,

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Speaker 5: there's no chance that defender makes that play if that

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Speaker 5: ball is and bounds none.

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Speaker 3: Is that why the tweet came out? Separation from Hollywood Brown?

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Speaker 3: Is that what he's talking about?

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Speaker 4: I think with the tornado emoji right right, So separation

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Speaker 4: he meant that's what he's getting, because that's three times

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Speaker 4: in the last two games.

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Speaker 3: There was the first quarter against Cincinnati and then the

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Speaker 3: yet again at La. So and there's very real frustration

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Speaker 5: And so it was a real frustration for Hollywood in

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Speaker 4: That's how the interception happened, was he put his hand

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Speaker 3: By the way, we wondered on the air, is there

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Speaker 3: a chance that because the Rams run mostly zone coverages

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Speaker 3: supposed to stop his route and had a chance to

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Speaker 3: talk to a couple of coaches about that. No, No,

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Speaker 3: he ran the right route. He was that cross or

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Speaker 3: was just a misthroat that's essentially what happened right there.

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Speaker 3: And I guess the question now is, all right, what

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Speaker 3: are the chances there's upside, there's a chance to evolve

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Speaker 3: improve the accuracy. That was a question to Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 3: on Monday here of Week seven, and his answer went

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Speaker 3: something along the lines of, well, yeah, you can work

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Speaker 3: on your drop back and throwing off the proper rhythm

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Speaker 3: and you know, increased reps with the receivers. Odds are though,

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest, we've all seen enough football over enough

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Speaker 3: years that you're not going to get a huge jump

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Speaker 3: in accuracy, especially during the course of a season. No,

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Speaker 3: not typically to me.

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Speaker 5: Your accuracy, to me, has always been a gift rather

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Speaker 5: than a talent that you hone. That's how I've always

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Speaker 5: kind of seen it. You can get a little bit better,

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Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, And there are factors that go

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Speaker 5: into like completion percentage. I get all that, But in

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Speaker 5: terms of a guy being relatively accurate, I just I

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Speaker 5: think you're born with it.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing. They've given him a run game. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Cardinals went into Week seven at LA with the most

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting how they're going to adjust that part

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Speaker 5: And the thing is is de Mercado played the most snaps.

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Speaker 3: I do wonder how impressed Jonathan Gannon was by Damian

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Speaker 5: I didn't think Ingram played that poor though he got

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Speaker 3: There just seems to be a trend where he gets

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Speaker 4: You know, I was thinking that is it the plays

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Speaker 5: I mean, I thought Hollywood played well against the Rams. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I got to Hollywood. I don't know. My

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Speaker 5: And with somebody like Hollywood, Look, I don't know what's

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Speaker 4: Know, our spooky season.

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Speaker 5: Darren, you know, do you think about moving along from him?

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Speaker 5: Do you think about if you're not going to resign him,

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Speaker 3: And if you're a team Hollywood, you're in a contract here, yeap.

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Speaker 4: Here's my thing is if we're talking about hypotheticals trading

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Speaker 4: at some point, Look, I am all for and I

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Speaker 5: Well, I agree in general, but in this particular case. Again,

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Speaker 5: if I'm anticipating this team is going to sign a

438
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Speaker 5: few free agents next year, they're going to have to.

439
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Speaker 5: So the chance of you getting a comp pick for

440
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 5: Hollywood Brown is probably not real high, even if he

441
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Speaker 5: signs a big contract, because it'll be offset by that

442
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 5: free agency you sign, Which means if you want to

443
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Speaker 5: get a any kind of asset for Hollywood Brown potentially

444
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Speaker 5: walking out the door, then you have to do it now. Look,

445
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Speaker 5: I understand what you're saying, but.

446
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Speaker 4: No, I get that with Hollywood being in a contract here,

447
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Speaker 4: I understand I think maybe right now and this is

448
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Speaker 4: obviously I don't know what's going to happen in the future,

449
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Speaker 4: but right now you're saying, you're thinking, yeah, it makes

450
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Speaker 4: a lot of sense to keep Hollywood Brown.

451
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Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple other dynamics. Number One, he's best

452
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 3: he's with your quarterback. He's really close with Kyler Murray.

453
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Speaker 3: What does that mean anything? Does that factor into the equation,

454
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Speaker 3: into the consideration as to whether he's a long term

455
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Speaker 3: cardinal or not.

456
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Speaker 4: Maybe not just that they're best friends, but the connection

457
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Speaker 4: in chemistry.

458
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Speaker 3: Yep, I mean think about it before he got hurt

459
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Speaker 3: at Seattle, which is where the Cardinals are going. When

460
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Speaker 3: you got hurt last year going against Tarik Woollen at

461
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 3: the very end of that game on a pass that

462
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 3: really shouldn't have been thrown because he was covered. He

463
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 3: was top seven in catches and receiving yards. He was

464
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Speaker 3: having an unbelievable season to start last year.

465
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Speaker 5: Don't don't get me, don't get it confused. If you're

466
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Speaker 5: just talking about keeping a good player, that's Hollywood Brown.

467
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't trade him. The only reason I would think

468
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Speaker 5: about trading him is because if you've already kind of

469
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Speaker 5: said to yourself, I don't see a path to us

470
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Speaker 5: re signing him next year, maybe you can get an asset.

471
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Speaker 5: I mean, I understand what Danny's saying too, But we're

472
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Speaker 5: also assume at some point we're going to talk about

473
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Speaker 5: Michael Wilson needing to get more targets, and you already

474
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Speaker 5: have Rondell Moore and you have Greg Dort who. I mean,

475
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Speaker 5: he's not the same player by any stretch of the

476
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Speaker 5: imagination as Hollywood Brown in my opinion, but it's not.

477
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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's that far off for what

478
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Speaker 5: he might be able to do. I don't know. I'm

479
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Speaker 5: just saying you might be able to make it work

480
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Speaker 5: for half a season if you can get a pick.

481
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Speaker 5: And the Murray thing is being friends with Kyler is

482
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Speaker 5: an interesting thing. It would be absolutely wild to me

483
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Speaker 5: if it somehow they ended up dealing Hollywood Brown before

484
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Speaker 5: Kyler made it back to the field.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be something.

486
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Speaker 5: And again, I don't know if this is going to happen.

487
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Speaker 5: I mean, they might make no trades.

488
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Speaker 3: But you're right, if the business end of it has

489
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Speaker 3: already been decided that you know, it's not feasible or

490
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Speaker 3: now realistic, they get a deal done, then you got

491
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Speaker 3: to trade the known for the unknown. At the very least,

492
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Speaker 3: you gotta wait till March, you know, to really get

493
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Speaker 3: a sense perhaps if he wants to test free agency,

494
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Speaker 3: whether you can bring it back. What's it going to

495
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Speaker 3: cost you. We do know that Jonathan Gannon has a

496
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Speaker 3: ton of respect for Hollywood Brown, both as a person

497
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Speaker 3: and a player. He said it on and off the

498
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Speaker 3: record when he was a defensive coordinator. Gannon, guys like

499
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Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown scared the dog out of them, Like just

500
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Speaker 3: the speed. How many guys can consistently get behind NFL

501
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: secondaries like Geors is ultra quick, but he's not ultra fast,

502
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Speaker 3: like he's not an ultra burner like a Hollywood Brown.

503
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Speaker 3: He's consistent, intantly getting behind corners.

504
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Speaker 4: And to some degree, I mean it's not just Hollywood

505
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Speaker 4: Brown that you have to start looking ahead and thinking

506
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Speaker 4: about those things now. I mean a couple of months we're

507
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: gonna enup talking about but a Baker again. And I

508
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 4: know I'm not trying to take us too far off

509
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Speaker 4: the rails, but when you're having to make this decision

510
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Speaker 4: before the trade deadline of what does the future for

511
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 4: somebody like Hollywood Brown look like? Do we want to

512
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Speaker 4: resign him knowing what a receiver will look for, we'll

513
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Speaker 4: ask for is that going to be realistic? Is that

514
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Speaker 4: going to be in our realm? Knowing the other pieces

515
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Speaker 4: that may or may not be important for us to

516
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: either resign or get in free agency. So I'm not

517
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Speaker 4: disagreeing with you. I see that point of if you're

518
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Speaker 4: going to get something for Hollywood now would be at

519
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Speaker 4: the time, It'll just be interesting to see what moves

520
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Speaker 4: of any of this front office makes. And these are

521
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Speaker 4: the decisions that make me very happy that I am

522
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Speaker 4: not in the position to make those decisions.

523
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Speaker 3: So Mark Quise Hollywood Brown. It's hard not to notice

524
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Speaker 3: when you look at the box scory at four catches

525
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Speaker 3: on eleven targets. Let that hang in the air for

526
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Speaker 3: a minute.

527
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Speaker 5: Michael, there was a few Larry Fitzgerald days mid yeah,

528
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Speaker 5: twenty tens that he would have eleven targets for four catches.

529
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Speaker 3: Facts Michael Wilson three catches at nearly twenty one yards

530
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Speaker 3: per catch, So that would seem to scream get him

531
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Speaker 3: more than four targets, right, Is that what you want

532
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: to talk about, Darren? Right? I mean that's I mean,

533
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Speaker 3: we are We're in agreement on that, aren't we.

534
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Speaker 5: I would think six targets in two weeks for a

535
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Speaker 5: guy that is showing a lot right now. I mean,

536
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Speaker 5: I've been really impressed with Michael Wilson, and again, you

537
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Speaker 5: know I was talking to him last week about it.

538
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Speaker 5: This is part of the wide receiver game. There's gonna

539
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Speaker 5: be days where you're not targeted a lot. But I

540
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 5: do think he's a playmaker and it feels like they

541
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Speaker 5: could exploit that a little bit more.

542
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Speaker 3: We heard all that talk about Puka Nakua and how

543
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Speaker 3: Cooper cup had taught him well. And there's a lot

544
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Speaker 3: of similarities. I mean, between the two of them, they're

545
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: really good advanced route runners. They're great at the point

546
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Speaker 3: of attack. Hey, that's Michael Wilson. I mean he's made

547
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Speaker 3: some really contested physical catches and key moments games. So

548
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: you got to figure, Okay, more targets there. What are

549
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: they gonna do with Rondell Moore to get him involved

550
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: a little bit more? And then as you move along,

551
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: you got to look at tight end speaking of snaps

552
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: and weapons and past targets, and it's hard not to

553
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: notice that Trey McBride got about ten more snaps than

554
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: zach Ertz. So do you expect that trend to continue? Danny?

555
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Speaker 4: I think some of that answer depends on the same

556
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Speaker 4: hypothetical of Hollywood Brown with zach Ertz. Is that a

557
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: realistic or intriguing trade for both the Cardinals and maybe

558
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: another team out there, that's a question. It's been interesting

559
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: seeing zach Ertz's production this year. Is that a combination

560
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 4: of he's having to kind of get comfortable being being

561
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 4: back out there and only starting to practice coming off

562
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: his ACL injury just before the season started, although Ertzo

563
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: said he feels comfortable and feels good. Is it chemistry

564
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 4: with Dobbs? Will things look very different when Kyler Murray's

565
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: back back out there. Because of how quickly Murray and

566
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 4: Ertz formed their connection, he was traded almost exactly what

567
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: a year ago, two years ago, two years ago, two

568
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: years ago, not a year ago two years ago. So

569
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Speaker 4: it'll be interesting to see if Kyler Murray comes back

570
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 4: before the trade deadline and how Zach Ertz fits into that.

571
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Speaker 4: This is what you want to see out of Trey McBride,

572
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 4: though now in year two, getting more of those reps.

573
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Speaker 4: You want to start seeing the progression of him not

574
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 4: just as a catching tight end, but also as a blocker,

575
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: and that was something this coaching staff challenged him with.

576
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Speaker 4: That's something that McBride has said. He has leaned on

577
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Speaker 4: Jeff Swain as a veteran more of a blocker than

578
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Speaker 4: an Ertz, and so I like that you see every

579
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 4: week it kind of seems like you see a little

580
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: bit more of Trey McBride, And even if he's not

581
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: getting a ton of looks, it seems like he is

582
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 4: reliable and consistent when he is getting those targets. And look,

583
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 4: we can very clearly see the trend with this staff,

584
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: which is if you've got multiple players at the same

585
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: position and one of them is younger, and you're trying

586
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: to build for the future, it's more likely than not

587
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 4: that's the player that's going to really get those looks.

588
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: Once again, we go back to the offseason and even

589
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: training camp. Right, if you're building for the future, well,

590
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 3: the future is now, meaning if you're a young guy,

591
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: you're gonna get every shot at the job. Key Trell Clark,

592
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 3: you got every shot, every single opportunity to nail down

593
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: that starting cornerback position. Now it's one of the few

594
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 3: rookies where he hasn't had stain power. And we'll see

595
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: what his future is. But two things on Trey McBride.

596
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: Number one, I do like the fact that very rarely

597
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: does he go down in first contact.

598
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.

599
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: I like that, you know. And he's physical enough, he's

600
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: elusive enough, he's able to get yards after the catch,

601
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: which at this point, coming off the injury, you're not

602
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: getting a lot out of zach Ertz. Yards after the

603
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 3: catch from zach Ertz. And if you're telling me that, okay,

604
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: t minus two weeks until the trade deadline of October thirty.

605
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: First you go into the Rams game. What's it like

606
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: if we feature Trey McBride. What if Trey McBride was

607
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: our number one past target as a tight end. What

608
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: would that look like in a real game. So I

609
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: guess what. We're gonna give him ten or twelve more

610
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: snaps than zach Ertz, and we're going to feature him,

611
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 3: flex him out a little bit more, use him in

612
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: a zach Ertz type of role as more of a

613
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: pass catcher instead of a dual tight end. And let's

614
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: see how that goes. And four catches for sixty two yards.

615
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: He was a factor. So maybe you're trying to get

616
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: a sense what would it look like in your offense

617
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: if if you were to entertain one of these calls

618
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: for zach Ertz. Because I think we all presume that

619
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 3: teams are calling about about Ertz. And although it might

620
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: still be a process coming back from the knee injury,

621
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: you know, you got to figure by the time you

622
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: get to December and January football, a guy who has

623
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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl ring like zach Ertz, he could really

624
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: contribute to a contender. So we'll see, we'll see how

625
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: that goes. And then of course the big question drum

626
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: roll plays who will be throwing? Who will be throwing

627
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: that ball right to these to these targets that we're talking.

628
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 4: Are we just talking down line?

629
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: That's exactly the question again, when.

630
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: Well, no, that is not a question. When no, those

631
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: are two different questions of when and who was throwing

632
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: this week.

633
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Speaker 3: Paul Okay, here's an educated guest. Here's an educated guest

634
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: based on the fact nothing more than the fact that

635
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon hasn't completely shut down the questions about Kyler

636
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: Murray this week. Is that a little bit there's a

637
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: little bit different temperature in the room when the Kyler

638
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: question is asked. If he was to come off pop

639
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: this week and then take the full allotment of three

640
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: weeks to get ready, then his first game could be

641
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: Atlanta Week ten at home.

642
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: When it comes to answering questions about Kyler Murray, I

643
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: think back to Week one, where the fact that this

644
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: team made a trade for a quarterback who was going

645
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: to get his first look out on a field in

646
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: a game with this team with Josh Stabs after training

647
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: camp and preseason and then despite making that decision, we

648
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 4: were still told until game time on Week one in

649
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: Washington that it wasn't announced who was going to be

650
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: the starting quarterback. Makes me believe that we won't find

651
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 4: out same with Kyler. So when you're asking about like, oh, well,

652
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 4: he's answering the questions about Kyler coming off pop, well, yeah,

653
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: it was pretty much the same kind of response we

654
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: were asking if it was going to be Josh Doobs

655
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: or Clinton Tuon heading into Washington week one. So I'm

656
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: not really taking much when we're getting those types of

657
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: answers from Jonathan Gannon. It is interesting though, because you

658
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: can kind of feel like the timing is getting pretty

659
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: close from seeing Kyler out on the field, similar to

660
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 4: kind of Garrett Williams of maybe they're not doing as

661
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 4: much rehab because now they're spending more time out at

662
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: practice watching, not practicing because he can on pop, but

663
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 4: at least watching. You just kind of get the feeling

664
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: too of how long he's been rehabbing the timing that

665
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: it would make sense for Kyler Murray to come back.

666
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: It will be a lot of question marks of when

667
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 4: he is activated or elevated off the pop. Are they

668
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: going to take the full three weeks, because it's not

669
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: likely that the same week he comes off and starts practicing,

670
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: he's going to be able to play. That's that just

671
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: doesn't seem based on what we saw from zach Ertz,

672
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: based on kind of from getting from gannon of you know,

673
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: he's going to have his own timetable.

674
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 5: How do you how does he not take the full

675
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 5: three weeks? I'm right, I would like to know the scenario.

676
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: Maybe it takes two weeks, Maybe you activate him after

677
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: two weeks a practice instead of waiting the full three.

678
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 5: But my argument would be, how do you how are

679
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 5: you out for nearly a year and practice for six

680
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 5: practices and you're not getting all the reps probably and

681
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 5: then be ready to play? Not that three would be

682
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: that much better. I don't understand how he wouldn't take

683
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 5: the full compliment after being out that long.

684
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I presume he'll be taken the full three weeks.

685
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: That's my presumption.

686
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 4: Well, then at least if we get to that point

687
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: heading into that final week of whether or not he

688
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 4: will likely be activated on the right. Okay, fine, on

689
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: the roster, but even still.

690
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 3: It's it's not just the ACL and the meniscus or

691
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: the mental challenge of coming back from your first serious injury,

692
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: and as an elite athlete runs a legit four to three,

693
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: having to trust that leg. It's beyond all that. It's

694
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: also a new offense and a new system and essentially

695
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: something he's never run before in his entire career. He

696
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: led the league last year in shotgun snaps. Jalen Hurts

697
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: was a close second, but he's not accustomed to being

698
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 3: under center on a regular basis. And unless they're going

699
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: to change this offense radically to fit Kyler Murray, he's

700
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: the one who's gonna have to change.

701
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and there's going to be some some bit of

702
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: a learning curve. I think, though, to Darren's point, real

703
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: quick of if you're going to have him on the

704
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: roster but have him inactive. If that's the case, why

705
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: would you take him off the pup list If you

706
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 4: don't think within three weeks he'll be ready to play

707
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: a game. Why, I mean, just just to keep having practicing.

708
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it would be he's now gotten to

709
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: the point where he might not be ready to play,

710
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 5: but you've got to get him doing something besides rehabbing

711
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: on the side with Buddy Morris, and he can't do

712
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: any of that unless he's opened the practice window. So

713
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he won't play after two weeks or

714
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 5: three weeks. But I'm not completely closed off to the

715
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 5: idea that his practice window could open and we would

716
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 5: still be a month or a little bit more than

717
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 5: that away from him playing, just because you want to

718
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 5: make sure he's totally ready. I don't know, probably not.

719
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he probably plays after the three weeks or whatever,

720
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: but I'm not closing the door to anything because you

721
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: do have the option of having inactive quarterbacks. I mean,

722
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: the reality is is if he comes back to play,

723
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 5: they're going to have three quarterbacks on the roster, and

724
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 5: Clayton Tune's going to be that third quarterback, dressing emergency

725
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: quarterback probably and or maybe you make Kylo that whatever.

726
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: But like still protected under that new rule. Correct, he's

727
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: not on the practice squad and subject to be signed off. No, no, no,

728
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: that third quarterback here.

729
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 5: No, because you're you have to be on the roster, right,

730
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 5: So it has nothing to do with the practice squad.

731
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: It's just the game day, that's right. It's just the

732
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: game of the.

733
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 5: Game day status so you you're going to have a

734
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 5: third quarterback who is not going to be truly active.

735
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 5: So that could be Kyler for a game or two.

736
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: Really, because because I thought Danny was about to say

737
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: that they're cutting my J. Sanders to create a roster

738
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: spot for Kyler Murray, Oh, I might have just put

739
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: words in your mouth.

740
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to go that far per se. But yes,

741
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: breaking news as of us recording this podcast, the Cardinals

742
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: have waived MYIJ Sanders, who didn't even play a snap

743
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 4: this year. He was twenty twenty two third round draft pick,

744
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: was recently elevated off taken off IR with a thumb

745
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: injury and designated to return, not technically designated to return.

746
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 5: He was still on IR.

747
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 4: Okay, designated to return. Didn't play a snap because thumb injury.

748
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: So we only saw him practice a handful of times,

749
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: and he just entered a really crowded position room.

750
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: Okay, that's part of it, probably part of it, part

751
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: of it. Care to speculate what else was?

752
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that this is a new staff, and

753
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: I think maybe that the players that they have right

754
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: now that are getting that rotation, they like what they have,

755
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: and maybe maybe whether that's the physical aspects or the

756
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 4: game part of it, of mentally what they're seeing from him,

757
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 4: or just the way he plays maybe just doesn't fit

758
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: this style of what this coaching staff is looking for.

759
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a third round pick from last year,

760
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 3: so I would figures unless it was a new staff

761
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 3: and who seted decision makers both in the front office

762
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: and as the head coach, he'd still be on this roster.

763
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: There's still be a possibility for him to make a

764
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: second or third impression. Whatever didn't happen, you'd be given

765
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 3: an opportunity to remedy that. All I know is the

766
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: last half the last season, his rookie campaign, when he

767
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: did play, we called his name quite a bit. There

768
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: were times where he was productive, he was disruptive. So

769
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: I'm curious. I'm really curious. I'll say this much. And

770
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: I asked Deven Collins is Danny when we were doing

771
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: Big Red Rage, right, And I've asked this to probably

772
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: a dozen players now as we try and figure out

773
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: what mantiasin For and Jonathan Gannon are looking for in

774
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: terms of the identity of this roster going forward, the

775
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: one thing we can all agree on is they're looking

776
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: for players who are serious about the game of football,

777
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 3: not just showman or I'm here, you know, to borrow

778
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: the phrase from Dan Landing up in Oregon, We're not

779
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: here for the clicks. We're not here just to show

780
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: off our athleticism or our alternate gear uniforms or be

781
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: great on social media. And you know, we're looking for

782
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: dudes who are serious about football, who get up every

783
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: day and the first thing that I think of about his

784
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: football and not necessarily the paycheck. And I think it's

785
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: that mindset they're looking for. And if you're looking at

786
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: some of the cuts that they've made over the course

787
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three, I'm guessing I'm speculating a lot

788
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: of those players didn't fit those qualified Let's not just say.

789
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 4: Cuts, right, letting players walk or trades.

790
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: Trades, even cuts after like the forty nine Ers game

791
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: where Chris Boyd and Christian Matthew gone. So maybe there

792
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: were guys who were given second and third warnings about

793
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 3: trying to meet the expectations of this new staff and

794
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't done. I'm not exactly sure, Darren. I mean,

795
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: if you were to guess as to first off, Darren,

796
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: were you surprised that my j Sanders was released. I

797
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: know I was to a certain degree.

798
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 5: Honestly, No, I do think that the injury that got

799
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: him onto ir probably I felt like it bought some time.

800
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent sure he makes this team

801
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 5: if he stays healthy and coming out of training camp interesting.

802
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 5: So I'm not totally shocked, to be honest.

803
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: And you're loaded. I mean, Jesse Luketta was in sweats,

804
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 3: was not active for the game against the Rams, so.

805
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 5: Although he did, was dealing with a shoulder injury. So

806
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 5: now it was, Yeah, he got added to the injury

807
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 5: report late. So I'm wondering if that's why he was

808
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 5: in it.

809
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I wondered about that, all right. So all right,

810
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: and you know they want they want b jo Jelaari

811
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 3: to step up and command more snaps, right. Savan Collins

812
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: was working with bj Ojalai last week. Heck, my Jay

813
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: Sanders met the media a week ago and said he'd

814
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: been working extra working over time with Bjojalai. So I

815
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: don't know, but at least those two guys at a

816
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: pretty high opinion of the talent that Bjojalari is. That

817
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: he's still raw but that he's a really talented guy

818
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: with tons of upside. Whether we really see it come

819
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 3: to fruition and this year, I'm not exactly sure because

820
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 3: his whole offseason was impacted by a couple of different injuries.

821
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, but maybe by December number eighteen is

822
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 3: a factor.

823
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 4: Well also too, when it was when Sanders returned to

824
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 4: practice and Gannon was asked about it, he had said

825
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: like he needed to get his football lungs under him.

826
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: It's not the same conditioning if you're rehabbing then going

827
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 4: out and practicing or playing a game. And the Cardinals

828
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: are going to have some moves that they're going to

829
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: have to make to get guys that have been on

830
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 4: IR on the pup list back on the roster, right

831
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: Budda Baker yep, who has now missed his minimum four

832
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 4: games on IR with his hamstring in a few weeks.

833
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: I know it's looking on the line, but if James

834
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 4: Connor is able to come back, you got to find

835
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 4: room for Kyler Murray. If you don't feel like you're

836
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: really going to get anything from my Ja Sanders, maybe

837
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 4: in the long run, if you're wondering if he's the

838
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: right fit and then even in the short term, if

839
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: he's still not conditioned, why would you when you have

840
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: that window that could be closing in on you to

841
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 4: take him off IR? Why would you use a spot

842
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: on that if you're not thinking that's a good fit

843
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: when you're going to have other players you're going to

844
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: eat spots for and.

845
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: You're gonna need a spot for Garrett Williams at some point, right.

846
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: That would be correct. All these guys are eventually going

847
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 5: to need spots. Now, you know Buddha Baker's on IR.

848
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: Does he come off this week? Do they open their window?

849
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: Does he actually come on the roster? Kyler Murray we

850
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 5: already talked about. Even if he came off as early

851
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 5: as this week for his practice window, they're not going

852
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 5: to need a roster spot for another week or two.

853
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 5: So those Garrett Williams now he's running out of time

854
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 5: that he's got to be put on the active roster

855
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 5: by next week, my next Wednesday, so that that's probably

856
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: coming sooner rather than later. But I do think that

857
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 5: these are things that you got to figure out. And

858
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: again this goes back to how many guys you have

859
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 5: inactive on Sundays. I mean, if you bring up two

860
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 5: guys from the practice squad. Anyways, it just means you

861
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 5: have five inactives instead of seven. It's really not that

862
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 5: big of a deal. They're fortunate enough where or unfortunate

863
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 5: depending on your thought process, where they've had guys who

864
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 5: are so hurt they have to go on IR so

865
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 5: they can replace him on the roster. You don't have

866
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 5: a bunch of guys that are dinged up just enough

867
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,720
Speaker 5: to not go on IR but have to be inactive

868
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 5: on game days so that you're you can't just be

869
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 5: sitting here with empty roster spots.

870
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, So do we get a sense as

871
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: to whether Garrett Williams is track not only Buddha Baker

872
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: going back home to Seattle. Not sure, if you guys

873
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: have a gut feeling on that one. I tend to

874
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: think that we might see Buddha this week. I think

875
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: there's a decent chance because we all know that he's

876
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: feel about that he circles this game more than any

877
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: other on the schedule. And considering the Cardinals cornerback situation

878
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: right now Antonio Hamilton unknown status coming off his injury

879
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: against the Rams, they could use Garrett Williams even if he,

880
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: you know, is sort of a nickel slash corner hybrid

881
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: along with some safety duties. I don't know, but I.

882
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: Think Garret Williams makes his debut this week.

883
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: I mean it'd be great timing considering the injury to

884
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: Antonio Hamilton. Although we don't know he might be trying

885
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: to play, we have no idea.

886
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: I've I think that's pretty doable. I think I'm just

887
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: curious of how you get Garrett Williams involved. Do you

888
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 4: start him outside as a cornerback since kee Trell Clark

889
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, is not starting, is not getting as

890
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 4: many snaps with Hamilton. We don't know if that's an injury.

891
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: That grint injury is going to keep him out. Do

892
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 4: you put Garrett Williams outside? Do you put him inside

893
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 4: to get a few snaps, to kind of get him

894
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: comfortable and see how he performs, Maybe inside at Nicol

895
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 4: Slot corner one of those spots, which is where we

896
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 4: have we've seen Garrett Williams in the few practices that

897
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 4: he's been out there during the media portions that he's

898
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 4: been taking reps with the safeties, So that's kind of

899
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: where I'm curious to see how they get him integrated.

900
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: I do think that it would be a huge help

901
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: to the secondary to get some more bodies out there,

902
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: and hopefully somebody look Garrett Williams high draft grades, not

903
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: just from Cardinals, but it was really that injury that

904
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 4: made teams a little hesitant. So he can come out

905
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: and he can play the way that he was in college.

906
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: That could be a huge help, especially if you're going

907
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 4: to get Buddha Baker back who just having him on

908
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 4: the field alone and how much he absorbs in terms

909
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: of mistakes and kind of fixing those, I think could

910
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: give a little bit of relief to the cornerbacks.

911
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: I mean, you just need capable bodies right now, right.

912
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: I mean, you take a Garrett Williams, you throw them

913
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: out there, you run cover two, cover three, you keep

914
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: it simple. I mean, you got to go against d K.

915
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: Metcalf and Tyler Lockett in the first round, rookie Jackson

916
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba right out of Ohio State, although he's

917
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: had a really slow start to his rookie year, but

918
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: they have weapons. And then those two running backs in Seattle.

919
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: You know Seattle's going to come out based on what

920
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: the Cardinals put on film in the second half against

921
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: the Rams, and they're going to feature Kenneth Walker and

922
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: the rookie Zach Charbonay, and those two guys will stoke it.

923
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 3: And that Seattle offensive line has been druggling and pass protection,

924
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 3: they've been banged up. So why put gino at risk

925
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 3: if you can run it forty five times against the Cardinals.

926
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: So I'm guessing Seattle, even though Shane Waldron comes from

927
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: the Sean McVay tree, I'm guessing they come out and

928
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: they're they're gonna definitely probe that front seven and see, Okay,

929
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: can we get our running backs to the second level

930
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: on touch like the Rams were able to do in

931
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: the second half last week?

932
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 5: I mean, that only makes sense. Doesn't occur absolutely? Now

933
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 5: the the interesting part, it doesn't look like it's going

934
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: to rain during the game, Paul, you got for you that.

935
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: What Danny told me yesterday. See fear bongering by Danny

936
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: over there.

937
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 5: Oh man, Danny, that's unfortunate. I don't know why you do, that's, Paul.

938
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 5: But it'll be chillier than it normally is.

939
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: I have fifty six was aligned to you about that either, Paul?

940
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, what I what I say Darren.

941
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 4: Darren does. He's going to be in the press box

942
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: the whole day, So don't listen to Darren about weather.

943
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: Right press box.

944
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lattes, that's right, pash Wolf and Darren up there

945
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: in the climate control we get it. Here's the thing,

946
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 3: never ever trust any of the weather until at least

947
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 3: late Friday for a Sunday game in Seattle. Okay, I mean,

948
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: come on, the margin of era at this point of

949
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 3: the week is extreme, so I'm not buying that until

950
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 3: we get to at least late Friday. As for our weather,

951
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: by the way, can somebody do something about the fact

952
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: that to start this week on Monday, we set a

953
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: stinking high for the record for the day all time,

954
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: one oh five.

955
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 4: Our roof is never going to be opened at State

956
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 4: Firms Day, and the starting to be too hot all year.

957
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: Come on, I mean, I'm mentally drained.

958
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: You know what would be a fun game for us

959
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 4: to do. It would be to create the ideal Olympics

960
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: flag football team from players around the league. I mean,

961
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: maybe that maybe we push it off to the off season.

962
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: Maybe that's on something we do during the seasons. I'm

963
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: having this idea come out in real time but that

964
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: could be a fun exercise, because you know that's going

965
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: to be an Olympic sport now that one we could

966
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: do that.

967
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: You know, also it would be fun. How about a

968
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: game in Spain or Brazil? Did you see the news

969
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: out this week that the NFL and Roger Goodell confirms

970
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: that they could have a brand new international market as

971
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: soon as next year.

972
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: So that would mean pretty much every team would be

973
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: traveling internationally at that point.

974
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: Every year they are ramping up international games, and Roger

975
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: Goodell told some sort of forum on this topic that

976
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: they have every intention of making the NFL a.

977
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 5: Quote global sport.

978
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: In fact, here it is, we intend to be a

979
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 3: global sport.

980
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: Darren, how's your Spanish?

981
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 5: Pretty lousy these days?

982
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 3: And by the way, they say that there's some huge

983
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 3: soccer stadium, I think it's in Madrid, Yes, Madrid that

984
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: just finished massive renovations, including a retractable field tray where

985
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: they can take out a soccer field and put in

986
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: an NFL football field, So.

987
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 4: It would look a little different than the stadium.

988
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: In Mexico City.

989
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: And the Steelers, by the way, are they're trying They're

990
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 3: all in on trying to get a game in Dublin.

991
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: And if you remember ten years ago, there were speculation

992
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: because the Rooney family the Bidwell family are close that

993
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: if a Steelers game in Ireland ever happened, maybe just

994
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: maybe dot dot the opponent might be the Airs.

995
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: On Unfortunately, the Cardinals play the Steelers this year, so

996
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 5: don't we wouldn't play them for another six years.

997
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: Dang, Can they flex a game to Dublin? No? Can

998
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: you flex out the Giants? That's what I want to

999
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: you just flex the Giants out of the four you.

1000
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 5: Know, maybe it is four, it would be four, so

1001
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 5: I wouldn't mind. I'm going to Ireland next summer.

1002
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 4: Though, So you are for what we weren't invited. At

1003
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: least I wasn't invited me.

1004
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 5: It's my thirtieth wedding anniversary, Danny, did you really want

1005
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 5: to tell you? Oh?

1006
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: Wow, No, I'm okay for the invitement.

1007
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: You know, So, I just I find the whole international

1008
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: thing intriguing though, you know, it's uh and then they're

1009
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: looking at real they're looking at Brazil. I mean that's

1010
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 3: gonna happen supposedly at some point, So maybe not in

1011
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: my career, Danny Budding yours. Let's put it that way. Okay,

1012
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: let's put it that way. I'll be playing shuffle board

1013
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: at that point.

1014
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: So you're packing your rain boots, you know how. You

1015
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 4: don't strike me as someone who has rain boots for

1016
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: this weekend.

1017
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 2: We do have boots.

1018
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: She's got some new boots in the office, Isn't It

1019
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 3: just occurred to me that not too late, Paul. They're

1020
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: not exactly waterproof, as I found out the hard way.

1021
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: And we've got some games coming up here. We've got

1022
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: at Chicago, at Cleveland, at Philly, at Pittsburgh along with Seattle.

1023
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: Not good.

1024
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 4: I told Paul at our designy day, Darren, you know

1025
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to have an umbrella on the sideline. No,

1026
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: So I wonder if this breaks the rule of if

1027
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: Paul could get by with the hatch that is the

1028
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: umbrella on top of you know, like you wear it

1029
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: on your and I'm thinking, maybe that doesn't break the rules.

1030
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: You know what it does do though, It wraps up

1031
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Speaker 3: this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific

1032
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Speaker 3: Office Automation. Umbrella hat on the sideline