Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. A SVU podcast. We're here.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, And every
Speaker 1: week on this show we recap an episode of SVU,
Speaker 1: talk about the true crime that it's based on, and
Speaker 1: sometimes we interview a guest, and we do that today,
Speaker 1: but first we chit chat and talk about the world
Speaker 1: at large in our own lives. And yeah, some of
Speaker 1: you say it's your favorite part of the episode, and
Speaker 1: some of you say, let us know when we can
Speaker 1: fast forward that part. And I want to let you
Speaker 1: know right now. I'm not going to ever take the
Speaker 1: time to do a timestamp to tell you when the episodes,
Speaker 1: like fifteen to twenty minutes get over this fast forward.
Speaker 4: But I do have a huge, huge news.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, August thirteenth, eight thirteen, I am throwing the first
Speaker 2: pitch at the Chicago White Sox game against the hell
Speaker 2: the Detroit Tigers at one ten. So if you're in,
Speaker 2: if you don't work or you want to call off
Speaker 2: and you're in the area, I'll be there tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's really exciting. I've gone out and practice twice.
Speaker 2: And I think people just don't have faith in women
Speaker 2: because everyone's like whoa, and I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to do this if I was that bad.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, people do it bad, you'll do
Speaker 4: it bad. Yeah, yeah, I see people.
Speaker 1: I think also people get stage fright. Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: would get sports stage fright, like you know, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: at that's that's the thing. But I'll practice beforehand. I
Speaker 1: have my MIT, so I'll like, i'll get loose, I
Speaker 1: think before you have your own.
Speaker 5: Minus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a mid so I could practice. I
Speaker 1: don't like half my mid from childhood. I actually do.
Speaker 1: But that's a shock where you still have you well
Speaker 1: you know why. It's like I grabbed it from my
Speaker 1: house when I used to play softball in like McCarran
Speaker 1: Park on like a team in Brooklyn when I lived there,
Speaker 1: and then I just kind of kept it and I
Speaker 1: still have it.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: So Lenny Marcus, he was really smart. We first practiced
Speaker 2: with a softball so by the time I did the baseball.
Speaker 2: It was so much lighter and faster, So that was
Speaker 2: like cool and how told it?
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll see but.
Speaker 2: You yeah, because I've been arrested there, so it's kind
Speaker 2: of like my triumphant circle moment.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge, amazing, and everyone is really excited. It's
Speaker 2: kind of fun to tell people like people get really jazzed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exciting too, that's huge. I love it. And like
Speaker 1: we all know you're a white Sox fan. That's so cool.
Speaker 1: But I am sure, I'll be I am so. I Also,
Speaker 1: this is just this is sports adjacent. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: so I'll obviously be making posts and then like TBT
Speaker 1: posts to my first socks game and that's more. There
Speaker 1: will be a colash. Your hair will be less blonde
Speaker 1: this time around.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what to read? Speaking of, I started
Speaker 2: Project Runway and Ka's in it. Yeah I heard, and
Speaker 2: they call her Ethan and it's weird, weird. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: all Ethan and she's a bitch, Like she really is
Speaker 2: a bit better than everyone. I think she's gonna win.
Speaker 2: She's probably gonna win. Yeah, I think she's better than everyone.
Speaker 2: And La Roach is so mean. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: fantastic and the talent.
Speaker 4: Is being added. It's so good. Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, one complaint from a friend was like he's
Speaker 2: not a designer, he's a stylist. So there's just like
Speaker 2: that kind of like that kind of lack of whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't even know the word.
Speaker 1: Sure, but like Nina Garcia was like a magazine editor.
Speaker 1: You know, well she's still there, but that's her job,
Speaker 1: you know. Then they another editor.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, like the Zach Po's and Michael
Speaker 2: Core's has been taken over by it because they actually
Speaker 2: does Oh I get that.
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit different, but I don't care.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. Yeah, yeah, he's great.
Speaker 2: And he's mean to the other jow not mean, but
Speaker 2: like he just says whatever the fuck he wants is awesome.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you're for throwing out the first pitch on
Speaker 1: the thirteenth and then what are you flying back the
Speaker 1: morning for our show?
Speaker 2: And truly I'm flying there the twelfth, like I get
Speaker 2: in the twelfth, I throw the thirteenth, and then I
Speaker 2: leave the fourteenth for that's messed up live show in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Well, if you guys haven't bought a ticket yet, and
Speaker 1: you want to get the scoop from Lisa straight from
Speaker 1: her pitch, you gotta come to our show and the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be in rough shape for sure because the
Speaker 2: weekend prior I'm in the woods shooting a short and
Speaker 2: so I'm really like, go go busy.
Speaker 4: You're a busy You're a busy bee.
Speaker 1: But I think the live show, but regular tasks are
Speaker 1: still what keeps me down. Yeah, I have to pick
Speaker 1: up laundry and I didn't. I forgot to grab the ticket.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jesus, I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: Eight fourteen, we're at the Bell House, seven thirty. We're
Speaker 1: doing a brand new episode we've never done in New York.
Speaker 1: Please come get tickets. Go to that s meassage. I
Speaker 1: met a lot for tickets. Town is like in the
Speaker 1: streets people have been like no I know, and people
Speaker 1: are like I get back the next day, Like I
Speaker 1: get it. But like, if you're if you're if you're
Speaker 1: in the environs, come in from Connecticut, come on New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Let's go try state area. But I was going to say,
Speaker 1: how has it been going with your laundry? Speaking of
Speaker 1: your laundry, Visa VI your allergies, because somebody said, you've
Speaker 1: got to find a place that does all allergy free
Speaker 1: because tide will like stay on in the machines. See,
Speaker 1: people are so smart. Is there really a place I
Speaker 1: can't I don't know if that exists. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that exists, like a place where they're like hosing
Speaker 1: like like decontaminating the machines in between.
Speaker 4: Oh, but I wanted to bring this up.
Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, you know I always have to
Speaker 1: have kid corner where I tell some funny story about
Speaker 1: my kids or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I did.
Speaker 1: I've been taking my kids on mystery walks because at
Speaker 1: home in La Rosie has a camera. She got a
Speaker 1: like a kid camera for her birth or what did
Speaker 1: I give it to her for her Christmas?
Speaker 4: Her birthday something?
Speaker 1: And so now we go on these spooky walks and
Speaker 1: she takes pictures and she does little videos of herself
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, here's what we found, and it's so funny.
Speaker 1: And like we did one in La where we heard
Speaker 1: music coming from a huge party in our neighborhood and
Speaker 1: we just like followed the sound of it and then
Speaker 1: we fat we saw some woman get out of her card.
Speaker 1: She looked really like she was on her way to
Speaker 1: a party, so we followed her and she was going
Speaker 1: to the party. So we found the party. It was
Speaker 1: Rosie's coverage of it is so funny. So we tried
Speaker 1: to do one here and my parents live in like
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you call it, Like a development,
Speaker 1: like a bunch of houses that are just like right
Speaker 1: next to each other and look identical, and like everybody
Speaker 1: is not everybody, but I would say most people are
Speaker 1: fifty plus. It's not a hot bopin' young development. So
Speaker 1: we're walking around and Rosie's like, is that suspicious? Is
Speaker 1: that suspicious? I'm like, nothing suspicious. And then she goes, whoa, mom,
Speaker 1: that's suspicious And it's just a Mercedes sprinter van, the
Speaker 1: kind that the housewives take on try well, thank god
Speaker 1: she has instance. I go, this is so funny. I
Speaker 1: go here, she goes, she goes, can I have your phone?
Speaker 1: She takes my phone takes a picture of it. I
Speaker 1: was like, many suspicious things have happened in these vans.
Speaker 1: Somebody was just telling me that they tried to get
Speaker 1: into Real Housewives as Salt Lake City.
Speaker 4: And she goes, I just like saw the first episode.
Speaker 1: I tuned into a woman like threw up and pissed
Speaker 1: herself in one of those vans, and I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: Heather had too many espresso martinis. That's not like actually
Speaker 1: normally how she acts. She was like, it just felt
Speaker 1: like we needed to get her help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know people like this, this this happens like
Speaker 2: over He's like, can we change it? The fightings a
Speaker 2: little much? Grow up, grow up. I guess you grew
Speaker 2: up in too quiet of a home. Like, truly, it
Speaker 2: does not affect me at all. These people ere that upset.
Speaker 2: A fifty year old's puking, Get a grip, Get a grip.
Speaker 1: Well, she's in recovery too, so she was like should
Speaker 1: She was like shit, but she goes, I love watching
Speaker 1: the alcoholics on the Housewives, but this would seem too far.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's actually the worst she's ever gotten.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't think that people know how to
Speaker 1: handle espresso martiniz a.
Speaker 4: Lot of the time.
Speaker 2: Well did you see that Michelle Obama had Matt and
Speaker 2: Bowen on with her brother and that she watched like
Speaker 2: Next Gen NYC?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she called them the next Gen babies. She was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 1: No, She's like she's like, the culture is everything, and
Speaker 1: she's not wrong. You got to know what people are
Speaker 1: talking about, what's going on. And yeah, Michelle Obama one
Speaker 1: of us, a Bravo head, one of of us. Also,
Speaker 1: we've been getting a lot of messages about this. But
Speaker 1: also I saw it in my feed, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: you saw it in Trouble.
Speaker 4: No, the Annabelle Doll. I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't fuck the hat rife, fuck you forgetting the
Speaker 2: Annibal so you I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. We can't talk about Okay, we can't. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want Lisa to explode. But if you don't
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about, you well maybe, I mean
Speaker 1: you better watch out. Like it's not fun and I
Speaker 1: don't want the doll. Maybe it's good he has the doll.
Speaker 1: I mean it's good for people that. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's good for people.
Speaker 4: That don't like his comedy because he's gonna get haunted.
Speaker 1: I mean why, I don't understand it. It's like so crazy,
Speaker 1: like I don't know he bought like a bunch of you.
Speaker 2: Don't think ROS would buy the Annabelle Doll. I mean,
Speaker 2: we know that's on brand. We don't even know the
Speaker 2: brand though. He's like a twenty eight year old worth
Speaker 2: millions of doll like, we don't know him.
Speaker 1: Also, he bought a haunted house in Connecticut and then
Speaker 1: bought the museum with the Annabel doll. I guess it's
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. I don't understand. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: I don't have money. It's on realtor dot com. Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't think ros would actually buy it because I
Speaker 1: think Rose I wouldn't either respect.
Speaker 4: The power of actual, really haunted things.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even be if I heard the Annabell doll
Speaker 2: was one way, I would go the other way. I
Speaker 2: would not be dilly dallying next to the Annabel doll.
Speaker 2: But I'm just mad that he has it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, where is this in Connecticut?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 4: Why why does he get everything?
Speaker 2: I mean, also, okay, beckon sale and you get the
Speaker 2: Annabell doll.
Speaker 1: It's just like, not okay, I'm in Connecticut right now.
Speaker 1: I don't even like knowing that Annabel and I are
Speaker 1: in the same state. You know, yeah, watch out, you
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna know.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, obviously we're in a fascist nightmare, but
Speaker 2: like I just can't believe the ballroom, Like I really can't.
Speaker 2: Did you see the designs of what this two hundred
Speaker 2: million dollar ballroom is gonna look like?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the designs, but I was just looking
Speaker 1: at like instagrams this morning of people that are like
Speaker 1: I have done massive renovations of huge ballrooms bigger than
Speaker 1: this one, and they were two million dollars.
Speaker 4: I could see it maybe being.
Speaker 1: Fifty million dollars because it's like historic land, but two
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars feels insane. But I will say it's
Speaker 1: it's donated money.
Speaker 4: It's not taxpayer money, so.
Speaker 1: I don't It's like if the fucking idiot like Maga
Speaker 1: people want to give money for a ballroom, then like
Speaker 1: I guess, have at it.
Speaker 4: I'm sure, Oh it's that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was more like the government, like being
Speaker 2: like paid off by.
Speaker 1: I was told it was through donations. That's what I was.
Speaker 1: That was what I read. I can't find the photo,
Speaker 1: but it's just gonna be. It's gonna be bigger than
Speaker 1: the White House attached to the side, like the picture
Speaker 1: I saw just looked crazy. It's just like worldview, it's
Speaker 1: this I just don't get out there, like where this
Speaker 1: is happening, Like, oh, someone there was a bad report
Speaker 1: and you fired someone and everyone's like that's just it.
Speaker 1: Like I just can't believe we're here where these things
Speaker 1: are just happening NonStop and that's just that, I know.
Speaker 4: I guess that's what's hard.
Speaker 2: And like, also back to the house, but Glaine is going
Speaker 2: to minimum security. They liter rely with Jen Shaw and
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Holmes and it's like, but the question, the question remains,
Speaker 2: if there's no Epstein list, then what is Glaine in
Speaker 2: jail for trafficking people to nobody? Like what do we
Speaker 2: you know, part of me thinks they're just trying to
Speaker 2: like lower her shit to eventually give her a deal
Speaker 2: and make her like kind of disappear or whatever.
Speaker 4: Onto. I don't think they can kill her.
Speaker 2: Oh, yesterday, someone on stage said that they believe that
Speaker 2: where did I was this on TV?
Speaker 4: Whatever? That Epstein's alive.
Speaker 1: They fully believe he's just like on an island, whoa tupac? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're saying, I don't know, I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: just like I can't believe it. The pedophilic.
Speaker 4: I just.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was their number one issue and now
Speaker 1: they're done with it. They're over, it's done. It's just
Speaker 1: the list is just Bill Clinton's name twenty times and
Speaker 1: he made the list and no one else is on it.
Speaker 1: And that's that. That's that on that, that's that on that.
Speaker 1: It's fucking so crazy.
Speaker 2: But wait, I have you know I play all my
Speaker 2: little movie and TV games.
Speaker 4: Yes, and Maloney was in one.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is Cinematrix or movie Grids,
Speaker 2: so I apologize, but Maloney was in it, and I
Speaker 2: did pretty good. So the category for one word show
Speaker 2: I got an eleven percent. Three or more words I
Speaker 2: got nine point nine percent, and a pilot release from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety to twenty twenty five I got five percent.
Speaker 1: Ooh, do you want to guess all Maloney stuff? It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Maloney and that love of answer. Yeah, one word project,
Speaker 1: like one word TV show that he was in, that
Speaker 1: show Happy he did on sci Fi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's what that would have been my guess.
Speaker 2: I think that was the number one guess I put
Speaker 2: veep Oh deep was an eleven percent answer.
Speaker 1: That's good. Okay, so he didn't star in that. He's
Speaker 1: just like in a few ups.
Speaker 4: That's smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three or more words? What how I mean what
Speaker 1: hot American Summer? I feel like is probably that's not
Speaker 1: a TV show? Oh not, it has to me TV.
Speaker 1: Oh yay, the TV grid?
Speaker 4: Baby? What other TV shows has Maloney been in? Three
Speaker 4: or more words? Okay?
Speaker 1: I only nine point nine percent of people answered with
Speaker 1: I give it Law and Order Organized crime? Yeah, oh really,
Speaker 1: yeah I did it.
Speaker 2: And then the one that got five percent for pilot
Speaker 2: release between ninety and twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: I mean, is that SV no? What's another? Oh?
Speaker 2: Oz no, But that's that's actually that was the number
Speaker 2: one one word title show, was oz Okay, now that
Speaker 2: I remember, I'm remembering, Yeah.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. That's more popular than that sci fi
Speaker 1: thing he did. What what is it? What's this last
Speaker 1: True Blood?
Speaker 6: Fuck? I always forget he's in True Blood.
Speaker 1: By the time he joined True Blood, I thought True
Speaker 1: Blood had gone fucking off the rails. I'm just watching,
Speaker 1: but I was, wait, or what happened with you watching that?
Speaker 1: Were you trying?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 2: The second season was so bad. I just didn't want
Speaker 2: anything to do with it. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: It really falls off comes back a little bit.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm so into Dexter Like the dexter mania
Speaker 2: has hit me.
Speaker 4: In such a huge way.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it all the time. I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: it all the time. Another TV thing. So you know
Speaker 2: the judge that we talk about, Ada Turturo, who was
Speaker 2: from The Sopranos.
Speaker 1: You know that's John Taturo's brother sister. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Have we talked about that? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. I don't think we've done. They look exactly,
Speaker 1: they have the same face. I feel like I maybe
Speaker 1: what a family.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So I will admit to everyone I did
Speaker 2: do whippets again, and I'm truly I.
Speaker 4: Would be addicted. Where is this coming from?
Speaker 2: I want to be addicted to whip It's so bad,
Speaker 2: But I know it would take over my life. So
Speaker 2: I'm not buying any of the equipment. But no, you
Speaker 2: love me special occage. I think I know I was.
Speaker 2: I was hanging out with friends and every time I
Speaker 2: heard the little gas go off, I was like a
Speaker 2: dog with a salami whip my hand.
Speaker 1: It was Pavlovian. I was like, yeah, ran with my
Speaker 1: little balloon. Oh wait, she's his cousin. Their cousins. But then,
Speaker 1: what's there's another Turturo? Casey, will you look up?
Speaker 2: There's another actor Turturo who's in a bunch of TV.
Speaker 2: Is that a brother, Nicholas Turturo one hundred and nine credits?
Speaker 1: Okay, he's working, he's working. Oh, oh my god, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yes, he's Frank Bucci. He's the freaking guy
Speaker 1: that's the detective. And his daughter like becomes a sex
Speaker 1: worker or whatever, runs away, and then he holds Rollin's hostage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like kidnaps her from her therapist. Fuck, that's say now
Speaker 1: that I never would have known. I don't think they
Speaker 1: looked that much alike. All right, they looked that much alike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's how I got into all this is. I
Speaker 2: caught a clip of him talking about his brother and
Speaker 2: how much he loves his brother.
Speaker 4: Oh, you know, a big family.
Speaker 1: And then he's got another one, Diego Tutruro is his son,
Speaker 1: and now he's acting alright, right he says son, Yeah, Ariano.
Speaker 1: I mean every single person on the Wikipedia is blue.
Speaker 1: So they're they're they're they're all working, and they're all
Speaker 1: doing something. The shop family. Yeah, who is Okay, oh
Speaker 1: wait now I'm on not Oh wait, now we're just
Speaker 1: IMDb trolling. Yeah, now we got to just start the episode.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, yeah, we got a stay. Yeah we
Speaker 1: got you know, we get sucked into an IMDb hole.
Speaker 2: But yeah, whippets, IMDb, that's all I need, a little
Speaker 2: deck ster.
Speaker 1: It is a good drug. Sorry, but I won't I
Speaker 1: won't get into it.
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, so you know, it's like
Speaker 2: a dessert metal thing and you put the nitrous little
Speaker 2: things on it and then you put a balloon on it.
Speaker 2: And there was there was a chef there who had
Speaker 2: never done whippets, but then he knew how to use
Speaker 2: this contraption.
Speaker 4: So I went, oh wow, look at you a quick learner.
Speaker 2: He goes, I make Holland days with this, and I
Speaker 2: forgot that It's like a thing people can for real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wow.
Speaker 1: I've never done like these pro ones that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I've literally just like been at a bar where like
Speaker 1: at four in the morning when the bar is closed
Speaker 1: and the bar owner is like, suck on this and
Speaker 1: it's like a ready wet bottle, and I've been like, like,
Speaker 1: I've not done the real official whippets I've just done.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll do it at Bellhouse maybe.
Speaker 1: Wait, how long does it last? It's like, is it
Speaker 1: like is it like thirty seconds? Thirty seconds? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you do it all night. Canis Terra after
Speaker 1: Canis Drafter Canister. I've only done it three times. I've
Speaker 1: only done it three times, but twice in the last month. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the habit is forming.
Speaker 2: No, I'm like, I could buy whippets from the smoke
Speaker 2: shop near near the comedy cellar, like the whippets are
Speaker 2: out like it's truly disciplined. It's truly disciplined that I'm
Speaker 2: not full like and worry. I think my friends would know.
Speaker 2: I just know I would get addicted.
Speaker 4: I just know. That's why I don't do that.
Speaker 2: I've only done zan Next like a few, like a handful,
Speaker 2: not even five times, because I know I would love
Speaker 2: it so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it would take over my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't know, and we don't know what
Speaker 1: the prolonged effect. I don't think there's like anybody like
Speaker 1: that's crushing in life. That's like doing whip it's every
Speaker 1: ten five minutes, right.
Speaker 2: Well, the person I'm doing it with is definitely reallyful millionaire.
Speaker 4: Yes, but and he's doing it constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's yeah shit, Okay, never mind, I stand corrected. No,
Speaker 1: I would say one of the more successful people that
Speaker 1: I know for sure, damn Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, whipp it's king with the King of whips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, send us DMS. Guess who you think is
Speaker 2: my whippe king? All right, we're starting case he's rubbing,
Speaker 2: let's start. This episode is truly fucked up. Get right,
Speaker 2: it's the worst. Hello, I mean we already did that. Okay,
Speaker 2: well this is that episode. So we're doing Shock Collar
Speaker 2: season twenty six, episode twenty so just from May of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. And I will say, bra, I watch
Speaker 2: Peacock for Bravo every day of my life.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 2: I don't like watching SVU on Peacock. It makes me
Speaker 2: feel weird and uncomfortable, but since it's the new episode,
Speaker 2: I have to.
Speaker 4: But I don't love it. And the rewind ten seconds.
Speaker 2: Was delayed for a while, like it was like an
Speaker 2: annoying experience app wise, Yeah, but I'm such a Peacock
Speaker 2: lover and I don't know why my brain breaks and
Speaker 2: why I crave Hulu for sv Yeah, it's different when
Speaker 2: you've been watching like Miami and then Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I had to watch this on NBC dot Com
Speaker 2: with commercials and that was also painful.
Speaker 1: So please release season twenty six from its hostage situation
Speaker 1: and put it on Hulu. Thank you. Who lo's like
Speaker 1: not getting a deal for the new seasons?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but it'll be on next year because like
Speaker 2: twenty five is on it. Yeah, you just get it
Speaker 2: a year later, which I get. I get NBC because
Speaker 2: it is such a number one show. It's always in
Speaker 2: Peacock's top.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this episode. We've never
Speaker 1: talked about an episode so recent, and this one's got
Speaker 1: it's got me thinking a lot of thoughts.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I remember seeing it live and I think
Speaker 2: I talked about an.
Speaker 4: Intro going what the fuck is up with you?
Speaker 1: You said you saw it before I saw it, and
Speaker 1: you were like, what the fucking shot?
Speaker 4: Collar want? Ago? I'm not there yet? And then I
Speaker 4: watched it was like, what the hell? So here we are?
Speaker 2: Okay, A girl and a beanie's in a car saying
Speaker 2: she wants to stay home because she's sick, but mom
Speaker 2: has to work, okay, And then after she's doing work stuff,
Speaker 2: they're gonna swing by the doctor's office and the mom's
Speaker 2: being fun. She's playing cute guessing games, and then she
Speaker 2: stops the car and we see that she's delivering food.
Speaker 2: And the mom puts the heat on in the car
Speaker 2: for her child, and then she leaves the red Nissan
Speaker 2: to deliver food.
Speaker 1: She's waving back at her child and.
Speaker 2: The guy's not answering the door fast enough and the
Speaker 2: music's getting loud, so it's not good what's happening. But
Speaker 2: it's this guy's breakfast and it's not from an app.
Speaker 2: It's like directly from a Baudet guy. I think it's
Speaker 2: like very old school New York vibes because he tips,
Speaker 2: he went, he goes to get the tip, and they
Speaker 2: just seem very familiar, like this isn't the first time
Speaker 2: she's delivered to this guy. But while he's going to
Speaker 2: go get the tip, then he comes back and he
Speaker 2: wants to check the bag, like he's making this experience
Speaker 2: as long and annoying as possible. But then we see
Speaker 2: the cars being driven off fast and the dude's like,
Speaker 2: whoa is that your car, no urgency, no heightened vibe,
Speaker 2: like I hate his high so fucking much. And then
Speaker 2: she flips out and starts running down the block, obviously
Speaker 2: screaming for her daughter, Hayley, and she's so freaked out
Speaker 2: and just breathing deep and like, what the fuck do
Speaker 2: I do? And immediately we cut to Benson and Rowins
Speaker 2: having the opposite morning cute walk to school with their kids,
Speaker 2: just regular moms. Rollins thanks Benson for getting the girls
Speaker 2: into this like program, and Benson goes, I mean they're gifted,
Speaker 2: so you know, just like their mother. That's cute, and
Speaker 2: Rollins and the kids walk ahead, and Benson gets a call.
Speaker 2: Uh oh so, and then Rollins of course, I mean
Speaker 2: you should. If you want to do a drinking game,
Speaker 2: I would do it every time. She she needs to
Speaker 2: call intelligence. Anytime Rollins is contacting the Intelligence Bureau, you
Speaker 2: will be blacked out.
Speaker 1: He really is swinging it around. Also, what's so, what's
Speaker 1: Rollins Benson fanfic? There must be people out there that
Speaker 1: want those two to get together?
Speaker 5: Oh of course, yeah, for sure, for sure, Benln's rawlson, okay,
Speaker 5: or maybe it's a threesomething two with creesy I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know whatever.
Speaker 2: So Rollins is gonna lock in the Intelligence Bureau because
Speaker 2: the new chief of D's is letting Benson know that
Speaker 2: a car is stolen on West eighty eighth Street and
Speaker 2: it's an eight year old in the backseat. So fuck now,
Speaker 2: Noah's like, is everything okay? And they lie to the children.
Speaker 2: They say, yeah, it's just work, but like, he's not
Speaker 2: a fool. He knows what your job is. Like, clearly
Speaker 2: someone's been snatched or attacked, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's a casual work day. It's not about Finn's surprise
Speaker 2: birthday party.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So a child's been taken. They separate when they're on
Speaker 2: the scene. Chief Browne, okay, he has a mustache and
Speaker 2: is not the worst man she's worked with.
Speaker 4: Yet I don't really know about this guy.
Speaker 2: So the child's name is Haley Green, the mom is
Speaker 2: Katie Green, and the car is running. The door was unlocked,
Speaker 2: and some UNI in the back's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: This is New York. You're just waiting to get your
Speaker 1: kid taken?
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, okay, relax, And so now we get
Speaker 2: our season twenty six girls approaching, and I'll finally learn
Speaker 2: their names, Detective Katie's Silva and Captain Renee Curry.
Speaker 1: Wait, so Silva their just really quick. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw this. I came up on my Instagram,
Speaker 1: but Silva is out along with Otavio after this season,
Speaker 1: right along with Oh my god, why am I blanking?
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 2: So look at listen what I wrote next Velasko And
Speaker 2: listen and this is what I write. Look at the notes.
Speaker 2: Can I be honest? I have to look up his
Speaker 2: name every single time. I can never remember it. But
Speaker 2: I love Rolins Beanie so much. Yes, okay, so totally.
Speaker 2: I cannot remember Velasco and even like Joe. When they're like,
Speaker 2: let's ask Joe to do I'm like, who's Joe? And
Speaker 2: the I'm like, oh, it's Velasko's first name. He's been
Speaker 2: on for multiple seasons, but this girl was only on
Speaker 2: for this one season. The actress is Juliana Aiden Martinez.
Speaker 2: She's actually going to FBI, so they just like smoked her.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be a regular on FBI. Okay, cool, which
Speaker 2: are the best. I wanted to give her more chance
Speaker 2: on this show too, but they're not giving anybody chances. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see if Curry. Curry's probably staying it
Speaker 2: in making any announcements, which is huge. But yeah, for
Speaker 2: some now I will remember of Alasko because of this convo.
Speaker 2: Thank god, you know, he's leaving so right on time.
Speaker 2: But I, for the life of me, yeah, we can't
Speaker 2: remember it. Yeah, so we got to get to work.
Speaker 2: You know, are there witnesses full mobilization? And now we
Speaker 2: also got to talk to the guy who got the
Speaker 2: food delivered. So Benson and Rollins go to the mom.
Speaker 2: She's shaken up obviously. She's like, maybe they just wanted
Speaker 2: the car. They didn't know Haley was there. Maybe they'll
Speaker 2: push her out, and Benson's like, sure, but we're actually
Speaker 2: SVU so no, like your kids taken. And this actress
Speaker 2: who plays the mom is like really pretty and pulling
Speaker 2: off the like hard working single mother, sick kid, like
Speaker 2: you know, and she's in denial. She's gonna be blaming herself.
Speaker 2: She's great, Leah was zawatam. So Benson goes, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: taking you to the station and we're gonna focus all
Speaker 2: your energy on what you remember exactly what happened. And
Speaker 2: but she's still stuck at the idea that Haley's gonna
Speaker 2: come home. She's like, but what if she comes back
Speaker 2: here or home? Like, what are we gonna do? And
Speaker 2: Rollins is like, very coddling, very nice. I feel like
Speaker 2: her becoming a professor childer out. Maybe she's reading more books.
Speaker 2: She's not as quick to go your dumb whore, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I'm really proud of Rollins here,
Speaker 2: and she goes, yeah, we're gonna have you know, we'll
Speaker 2: keep you covered. There'll be cops everywhere, like if she
Speaker 2: comes back here, but let's get you to the office.
Speaker 2: So we go right into the credits, and I love
Speaker 2: seeing Kevin Kine in the cast credits, Like I get
Speaker 2: excited every time.
Speaker 4: I don't know this man. I mean, he's done the pod.
Speaker 2: I followed him because he was on inciting me Schumer
Speaker 2: all the time, and so like he's this face. I know,
Speaker 2: I don't know why I get such immense pride and happiness.
Speaker 4: For him like this.
Speaker 1: I also think it's because he's like kind of comedy
Speaker 1: and I keep and I keep hoping he's gonna bring
Speaker 1: a little bit of like the bellser type levity back
Speaker 1: to the show.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think that's kind of why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really Yeah, Bruno has been a great I
Speaker 1: also think it's cool that he plays assholes all the time,
Speaker 1: but he's really cool and nice in real life. And
Speaker 1: like everybody I know that has worked with him is like,
Speaker 1: he's great. You know, isn't that usually the classic? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just has a face. He has a face of
Speaker 1: a douchebag sometimes not not always, but you know, he
Speaker 1: can really lean into it.
Speaker 4: App absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're fans and if we haven't listened to the
Speaker 2: episode with him, maybe you'll be obsessed with him too. Well,
Speaker 2: because we also I think talked to him when he
Speaker 2: was like, I hope I'm a series regular that yeah,
Speaker 2: because he's been he's played five different characters on this
Speaker 2: show as well.
Speaker 4: We were like, we want you to be regular.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, your lips to God's you know, like
Speaker 1: he was, Wait, we were manifesting way, that was all
Speaker 1: our doing first Manifested, that's our acergy.
Speaker 2: We're witches, so we're not okay, we're not friend Oh
Speaker 2: my god, I talked to this comedian.
Speaker 4: Really funny, isn't TV show too? Mike Roland? Do you
Speaker 4: know Mike?
Speaker 2: He's on Animal control. I really enjoy him. He's from Atlanta.
Speaker 2: But he said a long long time ago. You know,
Speaker 2: we obviously all know the saying like don't meet your heroes.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So he said, when he was a younger comic, he
Speaker 2: saw Hannibal Burahs and he wanted to go talk to him,
Speaker 2: and Hannibal was a hero of his. But he flubbed
Speaker 2: it and went up to Hannibal and just said, you know,
Speaker 2: I never wanted to meet you, and Hannibal just went okay,
Speaker 2: and then Mike walked away.
Speaker 4: I just love that so much.
Speaker 1: That's really funny, like don't meet your heroes, but also
Speaker 1: don't say you don't want to meet your heroes.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm back, I'm back. Sorry guys. All right, So Kevin,
Speaker 2: oh my god, we're just back from the credits.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So we're talking to a woman with a small dog
Speaker 2: and she's wearing a winter hat that's like very high
Speaker 2: on her head. She kind of looks like a gnome
Speaker 2: and she goes, well, I try to talk to the
Speaker 2: mother earlier she was hysterical, understandably, so we like this woman.
Speaker 2: The girl gets it, and then Kurry and Silver getting
Speaker 2: all the scoop and this woman did see a white
Speaker 2: van following the woman's car.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I.
Speaker 2: Feel if I was a pervert, i'd get a different
Speaker 2: colored van. At this point, you can't have a white one.
Speaker 1: Get an suv at this point a van, and in general,
Speaker 1: you just can't. I can't really have a van. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like with an suv.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can build a shield because I'm like,
Speaker 2: if we're trapping someone you don't want, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: We can trap. We can trick it out, We'll figure
Speaker 4: it out.
Speaker 2: Okay, now the guy I was actually thinking about this
Speaker 2: in bed with the episode Stranger. I'm like, we learn
Speaker 2: how many we learn life saving tips from SVU? I
Speaker 2: wonder if criminals learn how to be better criminals. Though
Speaker 2: I was wondering that because.
Speaker 4: I wish I had a more normal life.
Speaker 2: But in my head, I was thinking in the episode Stranger,
Speaker 2: when he locked, when he would go into where he
Speaker 2: held his daughter, he had the paddle like the lock
Speaker 2: was with a code, and only he had the code.
Speaker 4: So she killed him in the room.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't be able to get out right, And I go,
Speaker 1: I hope no criminal watch this episode.
Speaker 4: I know, and was like this is that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm constantly saying on this podcast, why would
Speaker 1: you do that?
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you do this?
Speaker 1: So I think I'm hoping no criminals are getting any
Speaker 1: ideas from this podcast because I'm always finding the loopholes
Speaker 1: of these criminals, and I think I should probably stop
Speaker 1: doing that, all right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we find out the guy gets food from
Speaker 2: her twice a week and it's directly from the diner
Speaker 2: supporting have you ever.
Speaker 4: Heard of anything like that?
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of somebody getting the same person
Speaker 1: to deliver their food twice a week for like weeks
Speaker 1: on end.
Speaker 2: It's That's why I said it was old school. It's
Speaker 2: like because I remember the show Louis. Remember he would
Speaker 2: call down, like first season he called down to the
Speaker 2: bodega and.
Speaker 4: Would put corner in.
Speaker 2: And so I think, if you're ordering directly from the
Speaker 2: bodega or the diner, they have their own in house people.
Speaker 1: So that makes sense. But it's very rare, I think,
Speaker 1: with all the apps and ever to be driving your
Speaker 1: car to do it. Yeah yeah, yeah, because it is bicycles.
Speaker 2: But I feel if like this diner's been around a
Speaker 2: long time, he inherited this like I can imagine just
Speaker 2: being like that, or like I sometimes order sushi from
Speaker 2: a place close by and my Apple will say delivery
Speaker 2: from the restaurant and it won't have an update on
Speaker 2: their tracking or anything.
Speaker 4: Oh, because they're doing it. Got it.
Speaker 1: That was a long answer. But I think it's old school.
Speaker 1: And also if like the restaurant chooses to do it
Speaker 1: instead of using outside people, So I do think it's possible.
Speaker 4: It's not like part of our culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, is this like his food concierge,
Speaker 1: Like it's like confusing, but okay, only one of the
Speaker 1: holes I'll be able finding in this episode.
Speaker 4: Keep going.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I keep going, And then he goes, I
Speaker 2: had no idea, you know, the daughter was in there,
Speaker 2: she even had a daughter, And if I knew, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have made her wait that long to get the tip.
Speaker 2: But he is being helpful and he's down to give
Speaker 2: over his ring cam footage. In the office, she's explaining
Speaker 2: herself to Benson and Rollins she can't afford child's care.
Speaker 2: They're like, girl, you're not blaming you. You do not
Speaker 2: have to blame yourself. But then immediately Rollins asks, well,
Speaker 2: did you have to leave the car running and the
Speaker 2: door's unlocked, and it's like, well, you're blaming her, yeah,
Speaker 2: but she goes listen, it's a nice neighborhood. I wanted
Speaker 2: to keep the heat on and I was twenty feet away.
Speaker 2: So Benson cuts in with two options. This is either
Speaker 2: a crime of opportunity or you're being targeted for your daughter.
Speaker 2: And they start brainstorming, like who could it be if
Speaker 2: it is a target thing, So they're like, baby daddy?
Speaker 4: Could it be a baby daddy?
Speaker 2: And she goes Dylan And you know, Hayley only spends
Speaker 2: a week and a month at his place. This guy Dylan,
Speaker 2: he's a musician, he's at gigs all the time.
Speaker 4: But there's no custody to disputes.
Speaker 2: And she's truly shocked, like we've actually never seen this
Speaker 2: calm of a relationship with a baby daddy X before
Speaker 2: I would say right where she goes?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he would never. She calls me he doesn't
Speaker 1: want her. He takes her once a one weekend a month,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't want Like, you know that would be weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she like doesn't seem bothered by it, we
Speaker 2: find out later. So I'm curious if you thought the
Speaker 2: same thing I did. But they call him on speaker,
Speaker 2: goes straight to voicemail. She leaves a voicemail to call
Speaker 2: her back, and they keep asking leading questions, but she's
Speaker 2: really not suspicious of him. And so now it's group
Speaker 2: project time in the Center Squad and they still haven't
Speaker 2: been able to reach the father Shady. No sign of
Speaker 2: Katie's car either, and nothing from intelligence. But Curry does
Speaker 2: have something. Sorry, I just thought about my phone again
Speaker 2: and how much it knows me. And it was a
Speaker 2: photo of a seagull and it was covered in curry,
Speaker 2: like some curry exploded on the seagull. And they thought
Speaker 2: it was like some sick seagull, but it was just
Speaker 2: covered in curry.
Speaker 4: Iwa washed. I hope it was AI. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So ring cam footage and we have an image of
Speaker 2: the driver. It looks like a woman that's hiding her
Speaker 2: face and she's waving to Katie and then she gets
Speaker 2: into the car and just zooms off. She's wearing a
Speaker 2: baseball cap. I don't think this is her first time
Speaker 2: doing like she's prepped. She's prepped to be hid and
Speaker 2: then like committing a crime. So but we still have
Speaker 2: to figure out if the white van is connected or separate.
Speaker 2: So now we show Katie the footage of like do
Speaker 2: you know this woman? And she's like, I know. You
Speaker 2: think I'm a bad mother, but there's nobody in my
Speaker 2: daughter's life that I do not know about. And Benson goes, no,
Speaker 2: you're misunderstanding me. And in this moment, it's a knock knock,
Speaker 2: and we get you know, the girls in Velasko and
Speaker 2: they have news. The car was found near an overpass
Speaker 2: on Riverside Drive. There's ominous music, it's burnt. It's burnt.
Speaker 2: The sanitation guy called it. In Benson's like, okay, so
Speaker 2: the people who set this car and fired didn't just
Speaker 2: walk away. We need all the security footage, and so
Speaker 2: now we have to pop the trunk and hopefully there's
Speaker 2: nobody and we're in the clear. There's no crispbody in there,
Speaker 2: so whoever took the car knows the cops are looking
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 4: So the question is what did they do with Haley.
Speaker 2: We're back in the office and it's like a lot
Speaker 2: of speedy it's speedy walking and talking like there's a
Speaker 2: lot to do because they have nothing, you know. So
Speaker 2: the forends of Karage is being checked out, Terry is
Speaker 2: still working. They're like they're nowhere, and Silva's just standing
Speaker 2: at the office and Benson is like, what would you
Speaker 2: just speak and she goes, okay, well, I just think
Speaker 2: it's fucked. We haven't been able to reach the father.
Speaker 2: You know, nothing from the UNI, outside is building or anywhere.
Speaker 2: And Benson goes, okay, go knock on the neighbor's doors
Speaker 2: and get information. And Benson's looking at the little girl's
Speaker 2: photo like fuck, this sucks. So now we're in We're
Speaker 2: in a hip part of Brooklyn. I would say this
Speaker 2: girl's cute. I kind of have a crush on her
Speaker 2: messy curly bun and they're talking like whatever, she's a hip,
Speaker 2: cool Brooklyn girl. There's paint every like canvases everywhere, and
Speaker 2: she's shocked to hear his daughter's gone. She hasn't talked
Speaker 2: to him in a while though. I bet they're kind
Speaker 2: of friends that like once in a while will smoke weed.
Speaker 1: Maybe they fucked like they're just like artsy, he's musician
Speaker 1: at her.
Speaker 4: What did you get about their vibe? Do you think
Speaker 4: they were dating?
Speaker 2: Like, did you like I was just like I wonder
Speaker 2: because they really knew each other, but not neighborly, like
Speaker 2: did they say hot like a part of yeah, like
Speaker 2: I bet they've done drugs or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like neighborly hook up benefits sort of the situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I got I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the last time she saw him was yesterday morning,
Speaker 2: and she did see the band getting into a white van,
Speaker 2: but she and I don't get the vibe she's covering
Speaker 2: for him or anything like. So, but this sucks. So
Speaker 2: the white van, the baby daddy, we can't find him.
Speaker 2: So now Kurry and Velaska, they got the pole cam
Speaker 2: footage and the people from the Nissan they all go
Speaker 2: into the white van. So now there's a man, this
Speaker 2: woman and Haley and they all go into the white van.
Speaker 2: So it is connected to the crime. And we see,
Speaker 2: like in the cam footage the car burning in the background.
Speaker 4: And I love attention to detail.
Speaker 2: So they did find a bottle of nail polish remover
Speaker 2: where at like the garage, and it's like, so everything
Speaker 2: burnt but the nail polish bottle, Okay, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: see if they can get some prints on the bottle.
Speaker 2: So now we're back with the mom, Benson and Rollins,
Speaker 2: and they're showing the video of people going into the
Speaker 2: white van. She does not know these people. But also,
Speaker 2: where is baby daddy? What the fuck? So let's call
Speaker 2: him again again voicemail again leaving a message. So now
Speaker 2: Benson and Rollins are in the break room and guess what.
Speaker 2: Intelligence got nothing, but they got the federal government on
Speaker 2: it as well, and so it's kind of weird with
Speaker 2: the federal government, like you want them to have information,
Speaker 2: but you don't want her to be on the World
Speaker 2: Wide Web in like any fucked up way.
Speaker 4: So it's tough.
Speaker 2: So Curry runs in to interrupt him and goes, hey,
Speaker 2: the dad just showed up. He was at a recording session,
Speaker 2: so the cops on his block brought him in. He's like,
Speaker 2: what is happening. I don't get what's happening. The music
Speaker 2: is heightening and the women are slowly walking towards him
Speaker 2: asking questions. But he was there all night at this
Speaker 2: recording session is for a weight loss drug. I feel
Speaker 2: like this is a nod to ozembic. It is season
Speaker 2: twenty six, you know, very current current.
Speaker 1: I really don't know if there's an all night session
Speaker 1: for writing a pharmaceutical jingle that will not allow phones
Speaker 1: like that just feels yeah, there must be a union, right, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: they got to take a nap, but and the band
Speaker 1: all got in a van to travel together to the
Speaker 1: recording session to do.
Speaker 4: The ozembic com It's.
Speaker 1: Whatever, keep going so many weird details in this episode.
Speaker 2: He says he got the messages when he left the studio,
Speaker 2: but when he tried to call her back, it went
Speaker 2: straight to voicemail, which does seem weird, Like they would have.
Speaker 4: Lent her a phone charger at the police station.
Speaker 1: I think, like I don't, or maybe she went home,
Speaker 1: but that that just seems that's I guess if we're
Speaker 1: like digging with their holes, I'll find that one.
Speaker 4: So, mister Reid, do you know where your daughter is?
Speaker 2: Benson finally asks him she is missing, and he starts
Speaker 2: freaking out. He's having a hard time breathing. I don't
Speaker 2: think he did it, and Benson is trying to get
Speaker 2: info from him, like who would take her?
Speaker 4: Do you know any pedophiles?
Speaker 2: And he's like, listen, I'm not a great dad, but
Speaker 2: I would never hang out with someone that would hurt
Speaker 2: Haley or take her and the alibi is confirmed. He
Speaker 2: was at an all night recording session. The sun is
Speaker 2: out and Creasy's at the office. Hello, and we find
Speaker 2: out that this baby daddy's a secret trust fund kid.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why the custody's so chill, But
Speaker 2: why is them? No, Actually, I take it back, so
Speaker 2: he's seecret trust fund. In my head, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: think the custody's fine, and she doesn't care that they're
Speaker 2: not hanging out because he gives her money because he's wealthy.
Speaker 2: But now I'm like, wait, she's poor and can't afford childcare. Ann,
Speaker 2: he's a trust fund kid.
Speaker 1: Annie doesn't take care of the Is he not paying
Speaker 1: his child support? Do we have to stick that girl
Speaker 1: from Instagram on him? That my child support bustie? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, not a trust fund kid
Speaker 1: in a pharmaceutical band not paying for his kid?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Damn your kid is sick and you can't help
Speaker 1: pay for a babysitterer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's how trust fund kids are, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I only get this much a month,
Speaker 2: so I got to really be cheap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to put it on my credit card.
Speaker 4: My parents pay that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do you remember? I think I
Speaker 1: told a story.
Speaker 2: I know I told it on the podcast, and I
Speaker 2: told you how there's someone that we know in LA
Speaker 2: who's a trust fund kid and he'll like put his
Speaker 2: credit card gets paid for by his parents, so he'll
Speaker 2: pay for the dinner, and then of his friend's venmo
Speaker 2: him and that's the money he uses for rent, and
Speaker 2: like he's swindling people.
Speaker 4: You remember who I was, You know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: That's why I was referencing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh okay, yeah, So guess what. I was
Speaker 2: hanging out with one of his friends and I mentioned
Speaker 2: him and this other and he goes, oh yeah, for
Speaker 2: some reason, me and our other friend, whenever our girlfriends
Speaker 2: are around, they say not to invite him. Really, I
Speaker 2: go really, He goes, yeah, anytime we have girlfriends.
Speaker 4: And I was like, please don't invite him.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, damn, if both of your girlfriends or
Speaker 2: women that you hang out with are always saying don't
Speaker 2: invite him, like, yeah, stop hanging out with.
Speaker 1: Him, right, take the hint? Interesting, interesting, one thing? Everything?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So this is a deadbeat and I actually want to
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of him. Give your fucking baby money.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 2: So because of the trust fund, they're like, wait, can
Speaker 2: this be a ransom situation? But now Rollin's phone dans
Speaker 2: uh oh, the image has been found online, but it's
Speaker 2: not porn, it's something else.
Speaker 4: And then they have like.
Speaker 2: Old people talk to prove that they know technology, like
Speaker 2: she goes, can you mirror this? And then Corry goes,
Speaker 2: send me the link and I just think it's like fake.
Speaker 2: It's like so silly. So this poor girl, an amazing actress,
Speaker 2: she's crying. Someone is brushing her hair and it's really
Speaker 2: hurting her and she's screaming, and we hear this bitch's
Speaker 2: voice off screen going I know all you bad boys
Speaker 2: like to watch, and it's like, ugh, what's going on?
Speaker 4: And there's a shot collar.
Speaker 2: The electrodes are clicking and she puts it around her neck.
Speaker 2: She's also calling the girl Missy and she goes, no,
Speaker 2: I'm Haley, and she screams, hey, it's too tight, but
Speaker 2: it's on, and she just starts electrifying this young girl.
Speaker 2: As she's screaming. Crisy's like, uh, what are we looking at?
Speaker 2: And it's torture and control. And then Rollins is the
Speaker 2: new bd Wong and goes, it's delegated sadism orchestrating violence,
Speaker 2: her torture, but not because viewers want to be a
Speaker 2: part of it. They just want to watch suffering. And
Speaker 2: then also these freaks like the money they're spending on
Speaker 2: watching it is not only power over the victim but
Speaker 2: the aggressor too, And so it's like just all this
Speaker 2: fucking power stuff. I mean, men really have to let
Speaker 2: go of their need for power. Like everything bad in
Speaker 2: the world is ego in power from men. Yep, you
Speaker 2: need to feel powerful. So a girl has to get
Speaker 2: kidnapped and shot collared in a base, Like what are
Speaker 2: we doing here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Fucked. I just don't understand.
Speaker 2: There are a dozen or so of these sites. You know,
Speaker 2: Rollin's is explaining everything, and one is called Missy Mayhem.
Speaker 2: But Velaska's like, wait, hold up, If Nick Nick knows
Speaker 2: about these sites, why don't they just shut them down?
Speaker 2: And Rollins goes, well, they're mostly like all set up
Speaker 2: in Southeast Asia, but this one is different. We're gonna
Speaker 2: find her and through some sort of information I don't know,
Speaker 2: she's in the Tri State area. Basically, we find out
Speaker 2: through some signals that she's within two hours away from
Speaker 2: the city.
Speaker 1: They show the mom the video. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I whatever.
Speaker 2: The mom's not thrilled, obviously, but we're happy that she's alive.
Speaker 2: And in my head, it's like and the mom goes, oh, fuck,
Speaker 2: is this child porn? And they go no, but like
Speaker 2: what is it? And yeah, is this good or bad news?
Speaker 2: It's like so fucked, Like it's really fucked. And they're like, listen,
Speaker 2: there's a woman involved, and we're going to play you
Speaker 2: the audio just in case you know her. And she
Speaker 2: does not recognize the voice. And so now we're at
Speaker 2: TARU because like it's crazy because of one little VPN.
Speaker 2: We don't know who's hosting it. Like I think VPNs
Speaker 2: should be illegal.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm against them now just because this one episode. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think you should be able to VPN and
Speaker 2: then do child torture on the internet.
Speaker 1: We've been telling people to watch the show on VPN
Speaker 1: for like one hundreds of episodes.
Speaker 4: Well, because I didn't think about them.
Speaker 1: My brain doesn't go to this, but yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it's yeah, but listen to this.
Speaker 2: So they don't know who's hosting, but they have a
Speaker 2: few hundred subscribers. That's not a lot. To do this
Speaker 2: for two three hundred people. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless it's like they're paying really hard high premiums
Speaker 1: because it's so fucked up.
Speaker 4: I don't know how much do you think.
Speaker 1: They're like hundred dollars a month and then you're getting
Speaker 1: twenty that's twenty thousand, right, if you had two hundred
Speaker 1: times No, that's two thousand.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's not enough.
Speaker 1: Not to do this, not to do this, right, that's
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a month. Like if it's two hundred people,
Speaker 1: it's three thousand dollars. It's three hundred people.
Speaker 2: I mean, I always would tell anyone that wants to
Speaker 2: be like successful on the internet, like get over and
Speaker 2: just try, Like one hundred people is more than nobody,
Speaker 2: Like keep at it. But not for the no, no,
Speaker 2: not for torture. If you're doing torture, wait till you
Speaker 2: have more subscribers. Like I'm sorry, this is so fucked
Speaker 2: And it's been going on for two years, Jesus, but
Speaker 2: two years, so what? But they just got this girl,
Speaker 2: so what's going on? And all the other videos have
Speaker 2: been deleted it's just this one video is now put up.
Speaker 2: But they have a list of a couple dozen subscribers
Speaker 2: that don't use a VPN, So let's go get these motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: They drag a guy in and he's denying it, and
Speaker 2: he's like, am I in trouble?
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would think you weren't in
Speaker 2: trouble for watching a child get electrocuted, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: understand these people. So and the girl is kidnapped and
Speaker 2: he goes, well, I just like watching and he and
Speaker 2: then and he goes, I just thought she was acting,
Speaker 2: and Curry gets in his face. You paid money to
Speaker 2: watch a little girl get tortured. That's facilitating an assault,
Speaker 2: a felony, and child in danger.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Now there's another guy and he's like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I only looked for a few seconds. It was an accident.
Speaker 2: And they're like, we have proof you use your credit
Speaker 2: card multiple times, and so he makes up Yeah, he
Speaker 2: makes a face like a puppy that's been caught, like
Speaker 2: I don't know, shitting in a shoe like me. And
Speaker 2: then we go to another guy. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: a parade of perverts. And so he's like, well, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: When I found out it was a kid and not
Speaker 2: an adult, I wouldn't do this, you know, I can't
Speaker 2: be a pedophile. I'm a dentist for children. And Silva's
Speaker 2: face is really like really bitch. So but of course
Speaker 2: he's a child dentist. He's probably getting hard torturing these kids.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, I bet he's hurting them on purpose.
Speaker 2: And trust me, the sb will make sure you're not
Speaker 2: a dentist anymore. So now there's another dude. It's just
Speaker 2: like a montage of the worst men. And this guy's
Speaker 2: name is mister Kaufman, and he goes, oh, another it's
Speaker 2: an accident. But they have evidence that he's been a
Speaker 2: subscriber to the site for two years, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's not Missy Mayhem. He's like, I like the
Speaker 2: original one better. It was the only girl on the
Speaker 2: site and now it's all deleted. But he doesn't know why.
Speaker 2: So they asked him to tell the scoop listen, she
Speaker 2: was a little older, but I screen recorded some of
Speaker 2: the videos. And then he goes, please don't tell them.
Speaker 2: I could get kicked off the site, you're going to jail,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna be on a registry and you're
Speaker 2: not going to be able to go on the internet.
Speaker 2: So I don't really I just don't understand anybody. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're done being a dentist, You're done being a freeman.
Speaker 4: Like, what is up with these guys?
Speaker 2: They really don't think they've done anything wrong. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: So now we're watching the footage of the other girl
Speaker 2: and she looks weathered. Okay, this seems like long time
Speaker 2: tortures just written on her face. And she's acting like
Speaker 2: a trained dog. And there's clicker training, which I learned
Speaker 2: just from this episode, and I guess clicker training like
Speaker 2: teaches dog's obedience. And we hear the same woman's voice.
Speaker 2: But this girl is not anywhere else on the internet,
Speaker 2: according to Nick Mick, and nobody ever reported her missing.
Speaker 2: But all the videos are similar. They're degrading, like one
Speaker 2: time they put a cone on her neck, and like
Speaker 2: you know, obviously the shot collar of it all. And
Speaker 2: they're playing in the audio and Benson catches something and
Speaker 2: there's dogs barking in the background, but tons of dogs
Speaker 2: and this is all like dog training things. So it's like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, there's so many dog readers upstate. We got
Speaker 2: to figure this out. And now, unfortunately a new video
Speaker 2: dropped of Haley and so it's really bad and she's
Speaker 2: like sleeping in a dog bed, which does seem comfortable
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest. They're actually trying to invent like
Speaker 2: adult dog beds for like naps right now, because I
Speaker 2: think we're all just like I don't know, just like
Speaker 2: the fascism and pandemic back to back, Like I think
Speaker 2: we just want to curl up but not forced.
Speaker 4: This is scary. I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Benson is watching and just grabbing her chest like she
Speaker 2: is so scared. The girl is so scared, Like I
Speaker 2: just love after all these I mean, obviously Maurshia is
Speaker 2: such a great actress, but like that Bet like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, this scene was just really powerful to me
Speaker 2: of her still being so distraught for all these kids,
Speaker 2: not desensitized at all, and the girl is like trying
Speaker 2: to fight back, but like she can't, she's.
Speaker 4: Gonna get shot collared.
Speaker 2: So they go to this dog technology guy and they
Speaker 2: like figure out the breed and they isolate the barking
Speaker 2: and they remove all the noises and they actually have
Speaker 2: a bark eyed program, so no promises, but it's for
Speaker 2: sure a guard dog. So they bring the mom back
Speaker 2: in and she's obviously thinking, like, good news, you found
Speaker 2: my daughter, but it's like, no, actually, can you tell
Speaker 2: us if you ever know if you have ever interacted
Speaker 2: with a large dog? She's like what, and they'rely, has
Speaker 2: anyone with a large dog approached you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: Do you know someone with a big dog?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Were you looking to buy a dog? She's like, why
Speaker 2: are you asking me about these dogs? And they tell
Speaker 2: her there's another video but with a different girl, and
Speaker 2: they explain the dog situation, but she's saying no to
Speaker 2: all of these things, and like she starts being scared
Speaker 2: and confused in the office obviously, and so it's all
Speaker 2: hands on deck and they know that it could be
Speaker 2: three dog breeds Rottweiler's, Doberman's, and a cane Corsos.
Speaker 4: It's not spelled how it's pronounced.
Speaker 2: Still tell you that much, Okay, So it's a shortlist
Speaker 2: of readers upstate that have these types of dogs. So Curry,
Speaker 2: Silva and Velasco are there, and they go to Victoria
Speaker 2: Gray and this dog breeder does recognize her. The other
Speaker 2: girl her husband's dead and she's not connected to the crime,
Speaker 2: and I kind of like her vibe. But why are
Speaker 2: they there.
Speaker 1: Like we get this whole thing, Like nothing comes out
Speaker 1: of talking to that woman. Well, because of the chase,
Speaker 1: they got to go to all the house, sure, but
Speaker 1: that's usually like with a voice over. It's like they
Speaker 1: did a whole setup and they hired this woman. She's
Speaker 1: not even part of it.
Speaker 4: Like, it makes no sense to me, but I liked
Speaker 4: her so much.
Speaker 1: Okay, she definitely has Upstate Martha Stewart dog bringing, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay. So then another man saw the story online,
Speaker 2: who they ask but he hasn't seen her or Misty,
Speaker 2: and there's like no wedding ring. And then I can't
Speaker 2: believe this came up. But Curry's like, no wedding ring
Speaker 2: and he hides his hand. He goes, I'm not married,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, is there a woman here? An employee,
Speaker 2: a business partner, And he goes, I'm dating a guy.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? And this isn't a gay bash. They're
Speaker 2: just looking for a woman. Obviously there's a woman voice.
Speaker 2: So they go to another man and it's a couple
Speaker 2: and they haven't seen the girl, but the other girl
Speaker 2: does seem familiar, and the guy walks off. He goes,
Speaker 2: I don't no, and they keep pushing because the woman
Speaker 2: does like keep looking at this photo and they go, well,
Speaker 2: do you ever meet people at like dog shows other breeders?
Speaker 2: And they go, yeah, for sure. And then the woman
Speaker 2: is like, wait, Gary, she looks like the Carwoods, little girl,
Speaker 2: don't you think? And they ask, like, who are the Carwoods?
Speaker 2: And so she says that they're Rottweiler breeders and they
Speaker 2: live in Ellenville and they've crossed paths and they met
Speaker 2: the daughter at a show last year, but they only
Speaker 2: saw her once, but she swears it was her and
Speaker 2: they called her Ashland. And so now we're on our
Speaker 2: way to Ellenville, and fuck, this couple has like hundreds
Speaker 2: of acres and half a dozen registered guns, so they
Speaker 2: really have to be careful with this one. And so
Speaker 2: Silva gets word that Ellenville has a record of an
Speaker 2: Ashland Carwood being born in twenty thirteen to a Nicole
Speaker 2: and Dennis. So Curry decides like, let's get there. Let's
Speaker 2: get Ellenville PD and state troopers to meet us. There like,
Speaker 2: we have two young girls in danger and there's no
Speaker 2: time to waste. So the house is surrounded. Benson and Rollin's, wow,
Speaker 2: you guys made it up there fast. And they're like,
Speaker 2: are you sure it's their daughter, and Silva says yes,
Speaker 2: but she's not registered to any of the local schools
Speaker 2: and Benson goes, well, she could be homeschooled, and one
Speaker 2: of the reasons I'm against homeschooling.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So then a bunch of dogs are out back and
Speaker 2: it's a tiny, tiny, little white house in the front.
Speaker 2: For all those acres, you'd think they'd build a bigger home,
Speaker 2: like build an extension. Maybe there's like more cabins throughout
Speaker 2: the property or something, or I don't.
Speaker 4: Know what I'm talking about. Okay.
Speaker 2: So they're in the dark trees going into the Carwoods house. Rollin's,
Speaker 2: Curry and Benson are going to take the house, and
Speaker 2: then Velasko and Silver are going to go out back,
Speaker 2: and we see a blonde woman peer out the window
Speaker 2: and then we hear a gun shot, so they all
Speaker 2: run in and she's holding a gun under her chin.
Speaker 2: We see the man a shot and he's bleeding from
Speaker 2: his stomach. She's screaming, leave us alone, don't touch me,
Speaker 2: and Benson says, how about we all take a breath,
Speaker 2: and she cocks the gun. I mean this, bitch, like
Speaker 2: this scene is high octane, I would say, and just
Speaker 2: the timing of everything, the gun cock everything, and Benson goes,
Speaker 2: it's over, babe, and she screams, it's not over, leave
Speaker 2: me alone, and the dogs are barking loud, and Benson's
Speaker 2: asking her to drop the weapon, and after a heavy
Speaker 2: breathing and crying, she finally does the handcuff her and
Speaker 2: the man is still bleeding on the floor, and they
Speaker 2: go where is Haley And she makes her lips really
Speaker 2: small and tight like she's never gonna tell, and Curry
Speaker 2: runs in and says, we found something. Benson and Rollins
Speaker 2: walk past tons of cages and dogs and they find
Speaker 2: like the rainbow pink litter room and it's in those
Speaker 2: bar and it's so fucking gross, but there's no sign
Speaker 2: of the girl, and so they're searching and searching.
Speaker 4: They call in a canine unit.
Speaker 2: So there's all these people with flashlights and we're trying
Speaker 2: and that like we're trying to find somebody. So the
Speaker 2: dog stopped and Unfortunately, a man has to start shoveling
Speaker 2: and some kneels down and we see a little girl.
Speaker 4: We zoom in.
Speaker 2: She's like in pink, there's a unicorn and very very upsetting.
Speaker 4: Extremely shallow.
Speaker 1: This man took two digs right Like, it's really really
Speaker 1: very shallow, very deep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's daytime and we have a buzz cut hot
Speaker 2: CSU tech with sad news.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was like and the hottest new babe in the
Speaker 2: villa or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a new bombshell has entered villa.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so disconnected from I don't want Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got it together though, so whatever, this this CSU
Speaker 2: Tech's hot, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But she does have sad news.
Speaker 2: Multiple spiral fractures, missing teeth, broken ribs, and the poor
Speaker 2: girl suffered a lot of abuse since she's probably twelve
Speaker 2: and then and also the CSU tech is like folly pierced,
Speaker 2: like full facial piercings everywhere. I'm like, wow, of modern time. Okay,
Speaker 2: back to disaster, back to sadness. It's their daughter, Missy
Speaker 2: Mayhem is their daughter. It's their biological daughter. They tortured
Speaker 2: and buried their daughter in a shallow grave near a
Speaker 2: bunch of dog cages.
Speaker 4: Disgusting. So she's in custody.
Speaker 2: Benson and Rollins roll in like they want to tear
Speaker 2: her from limb to limb, and Benson asks her where
Speaker 2: is Haley, And before she can say a word, Rollins
Speaker 2: leans down to get closer to her and says, you
Speaker 2: buried your own daughter in your backyard? Did you kill her?
Speaker 2: And she just goes, where's my husband? And they go
Speaker 2: in the hospital. Do you remember you shot him in
Speaker 2: the stomach? And she already has counsel. A lawyer comes
Speaker 2: in goes she doesn't have to talk, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 2: she's being charged with kidnapping and murder, so maybe she
Speaker 2: should start helping herself out. And this woman has so
Speaker 2: much attitude, like loudly barks at her. I will decide
Speaker 2: what questions I answer. Not you, I don't understand. The
Speaker 2: lawyer goes, she doesn't have to talk. There's a dead
Speaker 2: body on your property, so what are you? What do
Speaker 2: you think the the deal is like crazy? They're not, well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Benson's nostrils are like flaring. She hates her so
Speaker 2: much and Benson goes, the only question I care about
Speaker 2: is where is Haley? And this bitch is silent, and
Speaker 2: now we're in the hospital. The guy wakes up and
Speaker 2: the first thing he says is where's my wife? And
Speaker 2: Korean Velasco are there with his lawyer as well, so
Speaker 2: they got lawyered up so fast, and they say, listen,
Speaker 2: we got her, and you the first one that talks
Speaker 2: gets a deal. I don't know what to say, and
Speaker 2: the lawyer goes, ooh fun, what kind of deal and
Speaker 2: they go okay, yeah, no, first show us where Haley is.
Speaker 4: So they try to use the fact.
Speaker 2: That she shot him into getting him to talk, and
Speaker 2: he goes, well, no, that's been the plan all along.
Speaker 2: We said if the cops find us, we take ourselves out.
Speaker 2: But the plan didn't work. You're both still here and
Speaker 2: you're the only one shot.
Speaker 4: But okay.
Speaker 2: They tell him they found his daughter. Whose idea was that?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I didn't kill her. She was sick
Speaker 2: of being missy Mayhem. Her and Nicole had a fight
Speaker 2: about it, and Nicole said she pushed and that it
Speaker 2: was an accident, and they go, but you didn't call
Speaker 2: the police, and he goes well, we didn't want to
Speaker 2: get blamed for it. And they say that the emmy
Speaker 2: said that she was abused, and he goes, well, not
Speaker 2: buy me, and they go, no, you just like to
Speaker 2: watch little girls in pain, don't you.
Speaker 4: That's how the site started. Huh. He looks off.
Speaker 1: The lawyer goes like, I guess I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 2: I think. The lawyers like, oh, another day at work.
Speaker 2: And then after this he was like, Okay, I need
Speaker 2: to get the fuck out of here. So now we're like,
Speaker 2: there's more talking, there's more talking, there's more blabbing. And
Speaker 2: she also has like a lot of roots like in
Speaker 2: her hair and I'm like, yeah, you dumb bitch, go
Speaker 2: get your hair highlighted. And she's saying that she like
Speaker 2: the site was his idea and he was into that stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's also like it doesn't actually matter whose idea
Speaker 2: it was. Yeah, like you're both going away. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: but it was his idea. You truly tortured a child
Speaker 2: on camera. So Rollins says like, oh, what I'm getting
Speaker 2: at is like you just played into his stuff, right,
Speaker 2: And so she goes, listen, we were raising roddy them
Speaker 2: for a while. And then one day I shoved the
Speaker 2: dog's nose in a mess that he made, and Dennis
Speaker 2: got a boner, and so he liked to watch her
Speaker 2: discipline the dogs.
Speaker 1: And then dot dot your own child. She goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: things really changed when she came along. And Benson and
Speaker 1: Rollins are so disgusted with her, and they go, oh,
Speaker 1: so you started putting her face into the carpet until
Speaker 1: she died, and she says, well, we had to replace her.
Speaker 4: We make money off the site.
Speaker 2: And they asked how they chose Haley and she says
Speaker 2: that Haley waved to them and they were at a
Speaker 2: stoplight and that Dennis took that as a sign, don't
Speaker 2: wave to anyone. My god, So the kidnapping was his
Speaker 2: idea as well. And the lawyers like, hey, where is
Speaker 2: this going? And Benson goes, listen, you know exactly how
Speaker 2: this is going. There's only one deal. She looks crazed.
Speaker 2: This actress is incredible. I've really never been this scared of.
Speaker 2: So well, I guess Charisma. Charisma was pretty scary in
Speaker 2: terms of and Pablo William lewis, Yeah, she might be
Speaker 2: the scariest woman.
Speaker 4: Woman on top, top scary woman. Yeah, yeah, I would
Speaker 4: say so.
Speaker 2: So basically, Benson's kind of taunting her a little bit,
Speaker 2: you know, just like, oh so you don't like to
Speaker 2: watch though you like to be in control. Well guess
Speaker 2: what you're not gonna like jail if you like control.
Speaker 2: But again, you're both going away for a long time.
Speaker 2: There's no deals, like we just want the girls alive, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go. She purses her lips again, and
Speaker 2: now we are in an Ellenville cold storage? Is this
Speaker 2: another one of your plot holes? Or now yes, same
Speaker 2: me too. How did you know to put her in
Speaker 2: cold storage? How did you know the cops were coming?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: Why is she in cold storage?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How long has she been there?
Speaker 2: Like do you think she's always there and they take
Speaker 2: her out once in a while or she got punished
Speaker 2: or like they keep her there overnight, Like I don't
Speaker 2: know why they hit It.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make sense that she wasn't just in like a
Speaker 1: fucking set and the room that was hidden in the
Speaker 1: fucking place.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, this was one that I go,
Speaker 2: why is she in the freezer story?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why is she at some freezer place? Like that could
Speaker 1: also kill her at any point? You guys want to
Speaker 1: like just keep having a kidnapped girls, Like, why are
Speaker 1: you trying to freeze this girl to death?
Speaker 4: Like it just makes no sense now.
Speaker 2: And what are those like those kind of like plastic
Speaker 2: thick curtain like curtain beat things.
Speaker 4: I like those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like grocery stores. I really like they're like
Speaker 1: for walking freezers and stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 2: She leaps into Velasko's arms, crying, sweet actress.
Speaker 4: I mean she's she really leaped.
Speaker 2: Silva's there to blanket her, and they tell her it's okay.
Speaker 4: So now we're in court.
Speaker 2: She's pleading not guilty for kidnapping, and Creasy's obviously wants
Speaker 2: to amand two million dollar bail.
Speaker 4: The judge agrees, get her out of our sight.
Speaker 2: So but the lawyer's like a little annoyed, like, hey,
Speaker 2: my client acted on her word and you guys got
Speaker 2: Haley safe.
Speaker 1: And unharmed, unharmed. Fuck off, are you kidding? Hugh? So
Speaker 1: Cristy goes, I don't care. Please get her out of
Speaker 1: here so she can pay her bail and then we
Speaker 1: can talk. I'm not talking about anything right now. So
Speaker 1: while they're taking her away, they're roll like they're wheeling.
Speaker 1: The husband in.
Speaker 2: He's injured, he can't walk, and he goes, baby, why
Speaker 2: won't you look at me?
Speaker 4: I love you?
Speaker 2: Please, And she's taken away without another glance at this man,
Speaker 2: and then the judge tells him to shut up, and
Speaker 2: Carisey wants the same thing, two million dollars, like put
Speaker 2: him in jail. So now Cariese's talking to the woman
Speaker 2: and the lawyer in the room and he unbuttons one
Speaker 2: button as he walks in, and he says, listen, your
Speaker 2: man said not guilty as well. You want to talk,
Speaker 2: then talk, bitch. I don't have time. And they're in
Speaker 2: a room that's wild, marble room, woodblinds and cement bars
Speaker 2: on the window. Okay, so she says for a loop, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she says, what will happen to her dogs? Cariesy is flabbergasted.
Speaker 2: Not your husband, not your dead daughter, just the dogs.
Speaker 2: She says, well, I need to make sure my babies
Speaker 2: go to good homes. He says that, I mean that's
Speaker 2: the thing, like why did they have kids? Like what
Speaker 2: the like?
Speaker 4: Dad, you clearly don't want kids, right.
Speaker 2: He says that animal control has them and he is
Speaker 2: sure they are being taken care of, and her lawyer goes, Okay,
Speaker 2: back to my client, please. So they want to keep
Speaker 2: doing this deal and everything, but all the other chargers
Speaker 2: are in a different county. He only has the kidnapping charge,
Speaker 2: so he goes, i'll give her twenty five years. The
Speaker 2: lawyer goes, that's hardly a deal. I'd rather risk court.
Speaker 2: And Christy goes, oh, you probably haven't heard about the
Speaker 2: federal charges of producing and distributing illegal content and human trafficking.
Speaker 2: And she says that was all Dennis. I had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with that, and they're like, you're on the videos.
Speaker 2: So the lawyer tries to tell her to shut up.
Speaker 2: Parsey goes, well, I don't think the feds are going
Speaker 2: to agree that, like she had nothing to do with it,
Speaker 2: she's on Tapechrisey goes, you did cooperate and we found
Speaker 2: Haley alive. I'd be willing to talk to the feds.
Speaker 2: And so the lawyer goes, we'll plead guilty to kidnapping
Speaker 2: if you drop the federal charges.
Speaker 4: Done, and he gets up to leave.
Speaker 2: She goes, hey, what about the other charge, just like
Speaker 2: a manslaughter I didn't kill my daughter. He goes, I
Speaker 2: already told you. I don't work in Ulster County. So
Speaker 2: now Benson and Rollins go to the hospital and the
Speaker 2: mom comes out of her daughter's room and is like,
Speaker 2: oh my God, thank you. There's not any lasting injuries.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be just fine. Great to hear, great to hear,
Speaker 2: Maybe a little therapy, hopefully the dad will put some
Speaker 2: trust fund Monday in the therapy Jesus and some child care.
Speaker 2: How about that, you dead beat? And she wants a
Speaker 2: fresh start. Her parents retired in Vermont, so they're gonna
Speaker 2: go live up there, so that's really exciting and they
Speaker 2: think and the detectives think it's a great idea. She
Speaker 2: thinks the detectives and goes back to her daughter. So
Speaker 2: now Dennis and Nicole both made deals. They both pled
Speaker 2: guilty for kidnapping in Manhattan and assault and kidnapping in
Speaker 2: Ulster County, and they're both gonna be serving twenty five
Speaker 2: to life. So I guess what's the deal that it's
Speaker 2: not a federal prison or death penalty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you.
Speaker 2: Get but you don't get death penalty for oh the
Speaker 2: child was Yeah, okay, I guess they could have gotten
Speaker 2: the death penalty.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they would it's to New York,
Speaker 1: see though, and why would it have been, Oh, it's
Speaker 1: the federal is because of the child like abuse being
Speaker 1: across like international lines or whatever. But like New York's
Speaker 1: no death penalty, so federally, yeah, you're right, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're still hammering out the details, crazy says,
Speaker 2: But twenty five to Life Benson sized some relief, and
Speaker 2: they also rounded up all the subscribers and they're all
Speaker 2: going to get serious time too good. And that is something,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't answer her question how does a parent
Speaker 2: do that to their own kid? And Rollin's is like, Babe,
Speaker 2: you've been working this job longer than I have and
Speaker 2: you still don't know.
Speaker 4: And they don't.
Speaker 2: But they go home and it's mom kid Dinner, Pizza Day,
Speaker 2: the girls and Noah and they all cheers and their
Speaker 2: pizza like with their pizza slices, and they're eating at
Speaker 2: acute restaurant and it's like a very nice way to
Speaker 2: end such a bad episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a nice little palate cleanser. Though, if I was
Speaker 1: at a restaurant where a family was cheersing their slices,
Speaker 1: I'd be like like, relax, you know, oh that's.
Speaker 2: But I do like cheers and kids with things that
Speaker 2: they could cheers with. But yeah, that's dick wolf baby,
Speaker 2: and uh, I just want to hear about the crime.
Speaker 4: I just well listen.
Speaker 1: I just think this episode is so weird, and I'm
Speaker 1: like really happy that this current showrunner is leaving, Like, like,
Speaker 1: walk me through how this works. Like you tortured your
Speaker 1: daughter because it gave your husband a boner, and then
Speaker 1: you started an online website showing the abuse to give
Speaker 1: other men boners and make kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: of money. And then when you kill her, which you
Speaker 1: deny doing. I guess you said it's an accident and
Speaker 1: no one found out. You go into the city, you
Speaker 1: wave at a little girl, you follow her. She happens
Speaker 1: to have like all of the none of it like
Speaker 1: makes really any sense to me. And then what are
Speaker 1: you doing with the money raising dogs on a farm?
Speaker 1: I'm confused, Like none of the motivation is clear of
Speaker 1: why you would do this, Like I it makes more
Speaker 1: sense to me, even though it's like horrific to be
Speaker 1: like she was misbehaving and I was punishing her, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like when people do that.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, you're psychotic, but at least I like
Speaker 1: understand like her motivation for like not liking her daughter
Speaker 1: and like torturing her to death doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: to me, and like exploiting her like I didn't.
Speaker 2: Show it because she's a dog person. I don't think
Speaker 2: she should have had kids. But I also wonder if
Speaker 2: it's like you know, in Mormonism, Heather from Salt Lake
Speaker 2: talks about it, where like you can get into heaven
Speaker 2: without kids, but you can't get into the Mormon heaven
Speaker 2: without a husband. And it's like that's like a patriarchal,
Speaker 2: like authoritative way to make you put men above everyone.
Speaker 2: So when a man mlsts your kids or wants to
Speaker 2: marry a teen or whatever, you will allow.
Speaker 1: You're more likely to allow it because that's your ticket
Speaker 1: to heaven. And I would have loved to have seen
Speaker 1: a religious tie in or something.
Speaker 4: But not more.
Speaker 2: I'm just using Mormonism as an example, but there is
Speaker 2: this thing of like my man, people picking their man
Speaker 2: over their child everything. Yeah, you know, so like I
Speaker 2: wonder if it's that kind of situation where it's like
Speaker 2: she likes being liked by this guy and like his
Speaker 2: set actual needs are above everything else, but like she
Speaker 2: must get off on it, she must hate this child,
Speaker 2: she must have been abuse, Like right, you're right, there
Speaker 2: must have been more to it, because it's like like,
Speaker 2: so you've hired a sex worker and like degraded her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't know, do it? Or we've seen
Speaker 1: this all before. I mean, we've seen stuff like this
Speaker 1: on this show. But it's like it just feels like
Speaker 1: the dots are not connected in this episode.
Speaker 4: You know, I honestly didn't know.
Speaker 1: I really didn't see the dots until I read it
Speaker 1: out loud. I am like, I'm so scared of this episode.
Speaker 1: I didn't even catch how few subscribers they had until
Speaker 1: you said. And then I'm like that makes even less sense,
Speaker 1: Like what's the motivation here if you're getting it, if
Speaker 1: this is going out to thousands and thousands, like we
Speaker 1: always are getting these episodes where it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: look how many subscribers they have. It's ten thousand people
Speaker 1: are watching that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like cause same theory, and they're like, let's say they're
Speaker 2: making less than ten grand, which doesn't seem worth like
Speaker 2: the torture and murder of a child, but they also
Speaker 2: have hundreds of acres, so they're not poor. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not one to five acres, they said, hundreds of acres.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, sell your land if you need money. I
Speaker 1: don't have more acres than subscribers. Yeah, oh my god,
Speaker 1: all right, well let's.
Speaker 4: Get your land.
Speaker 2: It's all about this dude getting his bone. And then
Speaker 2: my thing is, like does he come jerking or do
Speaker 2: they fuck after?
Speaker 4: Like you know, yeah, and like how did it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess they just like how did
Speaker 1: you know that it would go from her doing it
Speaker 1: to the dogs to doing it to a kid like
Speaker 1: that immediately was a good thing that he liked to do,
Speaker 1: Like and you were okay with that, Like, but you're right,
Speaker 1: the man over everything else. I guess that's whatever. But
Speaker 1: this is fucked. But let's talk about the true crime. Sadly,
Speaker 1: I did look this up, and there is a very
Speaker 1: recent case in New Jersey. Right as they were basically
Speaker 1: shooting this episode, probably there was a case in New
Speaker 1: Jersey involving a child in Cape May, New Jersey, showed
Speaker 1: up to school with marks on their body. They don't
Speaker 1: even reveal, like the gender of this child. The child's
Speaker 1: identity is completely secret. In all the press about it.
Speaker 1: The marks were caused by a shot caller. On March seventeenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. The police directed thirty year old Kimberly
Speaker 1: Cruz Feliciano and her fifty nine year old mother, the
Speaker 1: child's grandmother, Sonya Feliciano, and the mom apparently threatened the
Speaker 1: child with more violence if they told anyone. The electric
Speaker 1: shot collar was from the family's dog, who had passed away,
Speaker 1: and then according to WPVII, the ABC affiliate in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: Slash New Jersey, the child was forced to wear the
Speaker 1: collar at all times when at home, and their mother
Speaker 1: would use it when they didn't listen or made the
Speaker 1: mother mad, so they were arrested. Cruise Feliciano was charged
Speaker 1: with two counts of second degree aggravated assault, two counts
Speaker 1: of endangering the welfare of a child, one counter first
Speaker 1: degree witness tampering with threat of force, and one count
Speaker 1: of third degree hindering. Her mother, Feliciano was charged with
Speaker 1: fourth degree hindering and fourth degree tampering with evidence, and
Speaker 1: she was released on a summons. The mother, I looked
Speaker 1: her up, is still is being held without bail. I
Speaker 1: got her on the inmate look up and it looks
Speaker 1: like no hearings have been set yet, so she's just
Speaker 1: like in jail waiting a court date with no bail.
Speaker 1: So sadly they obviously took that case as like a
Speaker 1: way to incorporate like the Shock Caller, because that is shocking, literally,
Speaker 1: And I know SVU has been on for five hundred
Speaker 1: plus episodes and they have to keep coming up with
Speaker 1: new stuff, but that's, you know, pretty horrific, but another case,
Speaker 1: so like this episode is also allegedly based on like
Speaker 1: YouTubers who abuse their children and like the rise of
Speaker 1: that happening, and like when it comes to comparing the
Speaker 1: story to like abuse of YouTubers like Ruby Frankie and
Speaker 1: Jody Hildebrant, like that case, which I'm sure many people
Speaker 1: have heard of, I do think the sv is going
Speaker 1: to do a Ruby Frankie episode, but I don't think
Speaker 1: this one is it. Like Ruby Frankie got her following
Speaker 1: from being a family blogger, started her channel in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: and it was all about life with her husband and
Speaker 1: six kids, and it wasn't until twenty twenty that people
Speaker 1: started to be like, the way you're disciplining the kids
Speaker 1: is like kind of fucked up, and then her channel
Speaker 1: lost popularity, then it was suspended, and then she went
Speaker 1: kind of nuts and teamed up with this woman Jody,
Speaker 1: and that's when like the abuse intensified, I think, and
Speaker 1: she was eventually arrested and convicted and she was absolutely
Speaker 1: abusing her children. But I don't think people were tuning
Speaker 1: in for the abuse like in this episode, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's why I don't think it's
Speaker 1: like totally related, because when people found out about what
Speaker 1: Ruby Frankie was doing, I think she lost a lot
Speaker 1: of her popularity. So I hope SVU does do something
Speaker 1: about YouTube families and like child exploitation through vlogging and stuff,
Speaker 1: but I bet they will this coming season or something.
Speaker 1: But I don't think this is closely related enough to
Speaker 1: do it. But I did come across the story of
Speaker 1: a different you To family that I felt like clicked
Speaker 1: in a little bit more and I just thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting and I hadn't really heard of it, so
Speaker 1: I thought I would research this and talk about this also.
Speaker 1: So this is the case of Michael and Heather Martin
Speaker 1: aka Family O five. So Michael and Heather Martin started
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel in twenty fifteen, which is the same
Speaker 1: time Ruby Frankie started hers, which seems like it was
Speaker 1: like kind of the golden age of like awful family vlogs,
Speaker 1: like where they started to pick up steam in the culture. Right.
Speaker 1: The channel was called Family O five. I think it
Speaker 1: was actually originally called Daddy O five and it was
Speaker 1: Michael's channel, and Heather her own channel was called Mommy
Speaker 1: O five. Later they briefly changed it to Family O five,
Speaker 1: but then it went away. But Michael and Heather met
Speaker 1: like Brady Bunch style. He had two kids from a
Speaker 1: previous marriage, a previous relationship, excuse me. He had a
Speaker 1: son named Cody and a daughter named Emma, and Heather
Speaker 1: had three sons named Jake, Ryan, and Alex. Okay, when
Speaker 1: they started the channel, they wrote on they're about page
Speaker 1: which by the way, there are channels down I had
Speaker 1: to go on the way back machine to find this,
Speaker 1: but quote, this is my crazy life.
Speaker 4: We always thought our lives would make an awesome.
Speaker 1: Movie, so we as a Capslock family, decided that's in
Speaker 1: the capslock those two words to make this YouTube channel
Speaker 1: just for fun.
Speaker 4: Thank you everyone for watching our channel. There.
Speaker 1: I want to reiterate that there is no grammar in
Speaker 1: that sentence at all. There are no commas or periods
Speaker 1: or anything. I'm just reading it as it comes. So
Speaker 1: by twenty seventeen, so they've been up and running for
Speaker 1: I don't know, eighteen months to a year. They've got
Speaker 1: about seven hundred and fifty thousand subscribers on YouTube wo
Speaker 1: so three quarters of a million people are tuning in,
Speaker 1: and it's It started out with a lot of typical
Speaker 1: family stuff, like the everyday shit that families do. But
Speaker 1: then their most popular videos were videos of them quote
Speaker 1: unquote pranking each other. And I know you don't really
Speaker 1: love pranks, right, Lisa.
Speaker 2: I like a prank here in there if the occasion
Speaker 2: or the moment presents itself for like, oh, wouldn't this
Speaker 2: be funny? I don't like constant prankers. Are people looking
Speaker 2: for pranks all the time. I think you're an untrustworthy person.
Speaker 2: But of course I like a little joke. But I
Speaker 2: think it's.
Speaker 1: Safe to say that this man also, if I think
Speaker 1: you saw his face, I think you would he would
Speaker 1: be on your top ten hit list.
Speaker 4: I think you would hate this man well because it's
Speaker 4: not this family. But I watched.
Speaker 2: There was like an HBO three or four part doc
Speaker 2: on like another family that ended up adopting a boy
Speaker 2: from Asia and then like he suddenly disappeared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Like like you said, this isn't people aren't tuning in
Speaker 1: for the abuse, but it's ripe for it. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: And I'll get into that. Like so basically, ok, their
Speaker 1: most popular view No, I'm not gonna get into that
Speaker 1: one specifically, but just the type of logging that this
Speaker 1: is and like what it does. Like their most type
Speaker 1: of videos were popular videos were these prank videos which
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, they're not pranks, like they are mostly mentally
Speaker 1: and at times physically abusive moments that are being thrust
Speaker 1: upon these children. So sadly, the youngest child, Cody, ends
Speaker 1: up being on the receiving ends of a lot of
Speaker 1: these pranks, Like there's videos of them, just like gaslighting Cody,
Speaker 1: Like one of his siblings will accuse him of doing
Speaker 1: something that he did not do or like it didn't happen,
Speaker 1: and then they'll just keep accusing him and accusing him
Speaker 1: until he gets so upset and so upset and he's
Speaker 1: like a mess and he's just begging for them to
Speaker 1: get him off camera. He'll say, take the camera out
Speaker 1: of here, and they're like, you know, we have to vlog,
Speaker 1: and it's like sick.
Speaker 4: In another in other videos.
Speaker 2: A kid like that doesn't get that this is But
Speaker 2: I feel this way when I'm just on Instagram, like
Speaker 2: even if it's not a full vlogging family, I go, did.
Speaker 4: You make the kid cry at the puppy? Is this
Speaker 4: take you?
Speaker 1: Like? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just kind of. I don't like not knowing what's
Speaker 4: real or not.
Speaker 1: And I behind it the abuse and the force they
Speaker 1: and the month I can't Yeah, yeah, the darkness we
Speaker 1: live in. So in other videos, the dad Michael is
Speaker 1: encouraging the kids to hit and punch Cody, but he
Speaker 1: also pushed them all to slap each other across the face,
Speaker 1: like really hard. In one video, Michael screams at Cody
Speaker 1: for spilling ink and the kid is like extremely upset,
Speaker 1: and then Heather reveals the prank. Part of it is
Speaker 1: that it's invisible ink, so it's like made to look
Speaker 1: like a stain but it's not real, and it's just
Speaker 1: like making him so upset and sat It's like different,
Speaker 1: I don't know, for some reason, it's like a little
Speaker 1: bit different to me of like we ate your Halloween
Speaker 1: candy and then you quickly tell them it was a joke,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, it's like they're allowing
Speaker 1: this kid to get worked up and worked up until
Speaker 1: he's so upset, red in the face, like crying, really
Speaker 1: really upset. In one video, there is one where the
Speaker 1: dad shoves cody like face first into a bookshelf, which
Speaker 1: did cause a bloody nose and you can see blood
Speaker 1: on the kid's pillow as he's like crying and the
Speaker 1: parents were like, no, that's paint, so whatever. I was
Speaker 1: only able to access the thumbnails of the page on
Speaker 1: the way back machine, Like the videos won't play because
Speaker 1: they're down on YouTube, but the thumbnails are there, and
Speaker 1: the ones with like one million views are called like
Speaker 1: kid breaks leg prank, kid gets knocked out, kid runs
Speaker 1: away from home, Like none of these Maybe this perverts.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like that the people that are like
Speaker 2: putting their children in positions that they know who's looking,
Speaker 2: they see who is like the fact that it says
Speaker 2: kids leg break Like yeah, I mean, well, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what I have to click on that I would
Speaker 2: never click on something.
Speaker 1: I know I know I would never, but at this
Speaker 1: point in time, family blogging is becoming very lucrative for
Speaker 1: some people. But unlike reality stars who have like a
Speaker 1: network to answer to, or they sometimes have agents and
Speaker 1: managers and stuff, these YouTubers are on their own at
Speaker 1: this time. Like maybe they join up with other YouTubers
Speaker 1: and create like multi channel networks, but there's not really
Speaker 1: the same oversight, And they have reps from YouTube who
Speaker 1: apparently do basically nothing, Like some of them would report
Speaker 1: things to their YouTube reps and go, I'm your rep,
Speaker 1: like I can't really help other I can't really deal
Speaker 1: with other people, like.
Speaker 4: I'm just helping you.
Speaker 1: So like YouTube was fully I think, complicit in a
Speaker 1: lot of this shit at the very beginning.
Speaker 4: They've gotten stricter.
Speaker 1: But but I guess they do kind of self police
Speaker 1: one another, these vloggers and family people. Because in April
Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen, after right as this family is kind
Speaker 1: of hitting the apex of their popularity, a YouTuber named
Speaker 1: Philip DeFranco posts this whole video where he shows like
Speaker 1: a super cut of a bunch of the Martin's family's
Speaker 1: worst moments, and he's like, this really seems to me,
Speaker 1: like abuse and not pranks. He's like, even if I
Speaker 1: believe this is paint, which I don't, I believe it's blood.
Speaker 1: I think you're making this kid upset. I think you
Speaker 1: pushed him into a thing, like you know. And after
Speaker 1: this expose video of DiFranco's goes up, the story really
Speaker 1: took off, and it spread off like it was in
Speaker 1: all these YouTube videos, but it was also on traditional media,
Speaker 1: like I think the BBC covered it, and the New
Speaker 1: York Posts and like all these other people.
Speaker 4: It like blows up.
Speaker 1: So YouTube responded by demonetizing their videos and only commented
Speaker 1: quote videos violating YouTube's community guidelines are removed from the
Speaker 1: platform end quote. So like they're not really responding. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: we won't pay you for them anymore, but they're still up.
Speaker 1: And then Michael claimed later that he's the one who
Speaker 1: chose to demonetize the videos. Sure, jam, So the family
Speaker 1: archived the channel and made a public apology video in
Speaker 1: which they said that most of their videos were scripted
Speaker 1: and that the kids were acting.
Speaker 4: Nobody believes this, Like nobody believes this.
Speaker 1: A CPS investigation apparently did happen in Maryland, but nothing
Speaker 1: really came of it. And then there's this whole other
Speaker 1: layer to this fucking story, which is that the mother
Speaker 1: of Michael's children, whose name is Rose Hall. She's the
Speaker 1: mother of Cody and Emma. She lives in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: She apparently had custody of the kids until twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: when she claims that Michael and Heather forged paperwork to
Speaker 1: give them full custody and she just like lost her
Speaker 1: kids to these people.
Speaker 4: That's what she's aid.
Speaker 1: They obviously say, no, that's true, blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: shortly after the story of the channel and the abuse
Speaker 1: blew up, Rose was given temporary custody of Emma and Cody,
Speaker 1: and an emergence after emergency custody hearing was held, so
Speaker 1: they did go back to their mom and they were
Speaker 1: taken away from the family like those parents lost custody.
Speaker 1: So New York Magazine published a big story about the
Speaker 1: Martin family as this was blowing up, and they spoke
Speaker 1: to a child psychologist and for as a consultant for
Speaker 1: the State of New York named Mark Abrams. And while
Speaker 1: he thought the behavior on the videos was like quote,
Speaker 1: careless and stupid, he wasn't sure it could legally be
Speaker 1: classified as abuse. Like he's like excess corporal punishment and
Speaker 1: excess physical violence is considered abuse. How do you define
Speaker 1: excess good luck? How much money do you have to
Speaker 1: spend on a lawyer? So it's like and this is
Speaker 1: also in twenty seventeen, so it's like eight years ago.
Speaker 1: I think people are more vigilant now about maybe like
Speaker 1: what is coming across as sketchy. The New York Magazine
Speaker 1: article also mentions this YouTube channel where these young girls
Speaker 1: ages eight to twelve play quote unquote bad babies. And
Speaker 1: these videos show them like quote making messes, throwing tantrums,
Speaker 1: being harshly scolded, acting out repeated body horrors, or being
Speaker 1: watched by aggling monsters while sleeping, and these routinely were
Speaker 1: getting hundreds of millions of u use a month. But
Speaker 1: the difference is these girls are clearly acting like these
Speaker 1: girls are acting like babies, like they're really acting, and
Speaker 1: the Martin kids do not seem like they're acting like
Speaker 1: this is their lives. And even if they were at
Speaker 1: that time, exploiting your kids on YouTube with their quote
Speaker 1: unquote acting was basically unregulated. I mean, they just recently
Speaker 1: made like legislation about like influencers, and I think only
Speaker 1: in Utah, Like I don't even know if it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's like just in Utah because that's where so many
Speaker 1: family vloggers are based. The Martin family made somewhere between
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand and three hund fifty thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: Well, No, Illinois was the first state where you'd have
Speaker 2: like the kids get their own money. Oh okay, and
Speaker 2: I think California, And that's why they all leave the states,
Speaker 2: Like that's why. That's how you know the parents are evil.
Speaker 2: As soon as these laws pop up, the parents leave
Speaker 2: and go to a different state.
Speaker 4: Fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like why people in Florida, Nevada don't want
Speaker 2: to pay taxes tex Like people like, right, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 4: You move to places like that should be a sign, Right,
Speaker 4: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that the Martin family made somewhere
Speaker 1: between two hundred k and three hundred fifty KA a
Speaker 1: year on this channel. But none of that was being
Speaker 1: formally earned by the children, like what you're saying. So
Speaker 1: if the Martin kids ever said anything nice about their parents,
Speaker 1: it always seemed like financial reward. Was behind it, like
Speaker 1: they knew xboxes, tablets. All the shit that they were
Speaker 1: getting was coming from their vlogging. And the parents all
Speaker 1: claim they loved being Internet sensations, like they loved being
Speaker 1: big on the internet.
Speaker 4: They would loved watching the view counts go up on
Speaker 4: their videos.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, just because they like something doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's good for them. They probably like chocolate ice
Speaker 1: cream too, you shouldn't give it to them for three
Speaker 1: meals a day. In September of twenty seventeen, Michael and
Speaker 1: Heather were found guilty of child neglect after they both
Speaker 1: entered alfred please to misdemeanor counts of neglect of a minor.
Speaker 1: So we've talked about this, but an alfred please when
Speaker 1: you don't admit guilt, but you know that the prosecutors
Speaker 1: have enough to convict, so just a reminder. So they
Speaker 1: were both sentenced for five years for each count, but
Speaker 1: then the judge suspended the and they both got five
Speaker 1: years of supervised probation. The prosecutor introduced expert testimony from
Speaker 1: a psychologist.
Speaker 4: I don't know why give them less. I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I think they probably thought that their three kids were
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to go. They they seemed apologetic. It
Speaker 1: was their first defense. Like, the only offense that's like
Speaker 1: physical is the pushing into the shelf that I talked about,
Speaker 1: I think, which may have been they could argue it's
Speaker 1: an accident. I'm not saying any of this is right.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying how they would have argued it in
Speaker 1: like court. You know what I mean, you told the
Speaker 1: judge to do it. Yeah, I actually was representing the parents. No,
Speaker 1: But like, I don't think it's like at the time, Well,
Speaker 1: basically what happened was the prosecutor introduced expert testimony from
Speaker 1: a psychologist who said that both kids suffered emotional trauma
Speaker 1: from being in the videos, and the prosecul lator said, like,
Speaker 1: they never would have gotten this conviction if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for the expert testimony, a psychologist testifying to the trauma. So,
Speaker 1: but I do not understand why the sentence was suspended
Speaker 1: except I'm only thinking they were thinking, well, that puts
Speaker 1: three kids in foster care. And these people are apologetic
Speaker 1: and said that they like they were. Obviously they were
Speaker 1: ordered to stay away from these two other children. They
Speaker 1: were not allowed to have social media or be on
Speaker 1: any kind of social media with for any of the five,
Speaker 1: like the five year probation. So Heather Martin said later
Speaker 1: in a statement, we realized that we made some terrible
Speaker 1: parenting decisions. We wanted our kids to be happy, and
Speaker 1: we went about it the wrong way. Like they thought, oh,
Speaker 1: we're making money for them, we're buying them xboxes, We're
Speaker 1: doing this, and like, I just don't think that they
Speaker 1: at all were tuned into how fucking traumatic this was,
Speaker 1: especially for Cody.
Speaker 4: Why is it all on this little boy?
Speaker 1: Why is he the butt of every joke because he's
Speaker 1: a little list Like, that's crazy. I don't know. So
Speaker 1: I was trying to find out what's going on with
Speaker 1: these people. They obviously twenty seventeen, they stayed away from
Speaker 1: social media for five years. Twenty nineteen, Michael tried to
Speaker 1: become a SoundCloud wrapper named Mikey m Sadly, I found
Speaker 1: their website where they are continuing to blog and vlog.
Speaker 1: The website features heather sons, the three boys, who I
Speaker 1: think are now like eighteen, twenty one, and twenty four,
Speaker 1: and the couple now has a young son together named
Speaker 1: Mikey Junior, who I think is like seven or eight.
Speaker 1: At this point, I can't tell how old their website is.
Speaker 1: She has like a blog post up from twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three where she denies everything that's been spread about her
Speaker 1: them stealing the kids away with the flat fraudulent documents.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like crazy. It's in like multiple fonts,
Speaker 1: like it's all long. It's very long. I couldn't read
Speaker 1: all of it. Their oldest son, Jake. I found his
Speaker 1: social media following. He goes by baby Don. I believe
Speaker 1: he's about twenty four. He goes by baby Don. He
Speaker 1: has thirty thousand followers on Instagram and eighty thousand on
Speaker 1: TikTok TikTok excuse me, and on TikTok he still makes
Speaker 1: some videos that feature his dad and like people will
Speaker 1: leave comments like oh I was a big Daddyo five
Speaker 1: fan or whatever, but like their channels and all that
Speaker 1: shit has gone.
Speaker 4: Now and the kid at Baby Dawn.
Speaker 1: He did go on Doctor Phil in twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: to tell his story, I guess, but I couldn't find it,
Speaker 1: and or maybe I could find it and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hear it. But he also looks like he's
Speaker 1: trying to wrap the sun so.
Speaker 4: That's that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, this is the closest that I could
Speaker 1: see that comes to like abusing kids online for views
Speaker 1: for that specific reason, like, and these people claim to
Speaker 1: have not known that they were really doing that. So
Speaker 1: obviously it's a very big jump to shot collars sleeping
Speaker 1: in a dog bed, you know, being malnourished and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Although some of that plays into the Ruby
Speaker 1: Frankie stuff, which will we'll cover that at someday.
Speaker 4: But I didn't think that this.
Speaker 2: I know, sometimes with current things happening, people will want
Speaker 2: to talk about Idaho or and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 2: looking into it until there's an episode I go.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm about to do full on research. I
Speaker 1: gotta just wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I did see a preview for the yogurt shop,
Speaker 2: like frozen yogurt murders for women. Four girls were like
Speaker 2: murdered in this yogurt shop, and there's gonna be a
Speaker 2: four part doc or something on HBO.
Speaker 4: I'm not heard of that at all, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: So I see the posts on Instagram and I'm getting
Speaker 2: info and then I always look at comments, and one
Speaker 2: of the comments was like ugh, another documentary with regurgitated
Speaker 2: information and nothing new and blah Blah'm like regurgitated.
Speaker 4: I've never I don't ever about.
Speaker 1: Of this like this anything like this is like the
Speaker 1: tenth Manson family doc you've seen come on, Like I
Speaker 1: get with John Bday, but like it's like, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of these murder but they obviously is like this history.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's solved, but it's like
Speaker 1: to be annoyed by this thing where it's like, well.
Speaker 4: You don't even know if there's going to be new
Speaker 4: information yet.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was like maybe I don't know about it,
Speaker 2: so to me, I want all the information.
Speaker 4: Well I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do a yogurt shop murder on his view too,
Speaker 1: because that is kind of the only way I'm finding
Speaker 1: out about new crime unless it's Karen Reid.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe they'll do a Karen Reid. But then
Speaker 4: I are that's another one. I'm like Kringus.
Speaker 1: That's a lot that involves a lot of cop corruption.
Speaker 1: So they've got to like either move the corruption to
Speaker 1: a different industry or I don't know what they're gonna do.
Speaker 4: Now, there's always corrupt cops.
Speaker 2: Yes you are the heroes, so it's like they just
Speaker 2: have to like fa you know, it's a different jurisdiction
Speaker 2: of cops. We've had bad cops in Brooklyn and the
Speaker 2: Bronx and in different sharnits. Yeah, but there's something about
Speaker 2: Karen Reid.
Speaker 4: Karen Reid.
Speaker 1: All right, listen, let's get to our interview because it's
Speaker 1: a good one. Our guest today is an actor who
Speaker 1: you may have seen on FBI Most Wanted or in
Speaker 1: her recent one woman show that she's touring all around
Speaker 1: called How to Find a Husband in thirty seven years
Speaker 1: or longer. But you know her today for her terrifying
Speaker 1: turn as the evil Nicole Carr. Would please enjoy our
Speaker 1: convo with the delightful JJ Pile.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hi, Hi.
Speaker 2: You're like you so friendly with a high pitched voice.
Speaker 2: You are so scary in this episode.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I know, I can't even recognize myself
Speaker 7: when I watch that.
Speaker 2: I know it's acting, but I am put at ease
Speaker 2: and comfort now that I see your full energy.
Speaker 6: Yes, good, it's it's completely the opposite of me.
Speaker 4: It is like, it is such a dark episode. But
Speaker 4: I know because we watched you.
Speaker 2: All, but this news, this one was definitely one of
Speaker 2: the crazier ones of the New era. I would say, Okay,
Speaker 2: it really made me upset. I think it's because you
Speaker 2: see the little girl get shocked or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I really bad day with Harry. That day of shooting
Speaker 7: was like crazy, a little crazy.
Speaker 4: Well tell us about it, yeah, tell it well, tell us.
Speaker 1: Okay, will you start with like the beginning of like You,
Speaker 1: because you've told us that you had auditioned for us
Speaker 1: for You a bunch of times.
Speaker 7: Right, Yes, I've been auditioning for SVU for fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Oh my god happened?
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: So I the first one I went in for I
Speaker 7: had just moved to New York. And I mean I'd
Speaker 7: been here about a year and I had come from La.
Speaker 7: So in La you can knot get an audition without
Speaker 7: an agent. And as for You, I I was getting
Speaker 7: the breakdowns illegally, like back then you could pay somebody
Speaker 7: twenty bucks a month and you could get the breakdowns.
Speaker 7: So I would go through the breakdowns and I would
Speaker 7: mail my headshot to as for You, like in that
Speaker 7: envelope that had like a clear, clear front that they
Speaker 7: used to have. And then I realized I'm not getting
Speaker 7: it there fast enough. So I would trek over there
Speaker 7: to Chelsea Piers and there was a little box outside
Speaker 7: the door you could put your headshot in. So my
Speaker 7: first call, I got a pre read with Jonathan Strauss.
Speaker 7: And this was before they even put you on camera.
Speaker 7: That's how long I've been auditioning for this show. So
Speaker 7: he didn't put me on camera, and I probably did
Speaker 7: some weird actor acting class you know, relaxation, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: kind of like like voiced up, and then he was like, okay,
Speaker 7: don't do that, and he was like, take your hair
Speaker 7: down and take a breath and take your time. And
Speaker 7: then they called me back to to be put on
Speaker 7: camera with Phil Huffman. So that was the first one
Speaker 7: and I didn't go any further. And that was for
Speaker 7: a one legged prostitute. We sold me her leg, Yeah,
Speaker 7: who sold her leg for drugs?
Speaker 6: That is an amazing first one.
Speaker 7: I have watched that one though, so then I think
Speaker 7: the second or third one. I tried to go back
Speaker 7: and look them all up for you guys so I
Speaker 7: could remember all the care.
Speaker 1: We're so honored, thank you for the pre work, so
Speaker 1: much work.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had the idea that someday I would do
Speaker 7: like a solo show with all of my SVU audition
Speaker 7: characters doing a scene together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a funny idea.
Speaker 7: So then the next one was like, actually a story
Speaker 7: I think from Indiana and I'm from Indiana where it
Speaker 7: was a guy who kidnapped all these women. There were
Speaker 7: like three or four of them, and then he had
Speaker 7: actually kept them for like ten years. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: and it was at Ohio, okay good, and he had
Speaker 7: a baby with one of them. So I got called
Speaker 7: back for the least part, the least co star part,
Speaker 7: and they gave me like the story bits. They gave
Speaker 7: me like a speech impediment tape that they wanted me
Speaker 7: to try to you know, they gave me a lot
Speaker 7: of information. Now they don't give you that much information.
Speaker 7: And so I went in for that co star and
Speaker 7: then they called me back for the guest star with
Speaker 7: the part of the bigger girl who had the baby
Speaker 7: with the guy. So that was my biggest like and
Speaker 7: that was you go to prereads, you go to camera,
Speaker 7: you go to producers twice like that was my.
Speaker 4: Oh you got so close.
Speaker 6: I got so close.
Speaker 7: And he even sent me a they'll even sent me
Speaker 7: an email saying it's not going your way this time.
Speaker 6: But you impressed our producers. So that was like two
Speaker 6: or three.
Speaker 7: And then like I don't know, twenty characters later and
Speaker 7: here I am.
Speaker 1: And then God blessed the broken road that brought you
Speaker 1: to Nicole car Wood.
Speaker 4: That's what. Because you nailed it. You nailed it.
Speaker 6: Fake you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: There's one moment where you kind of like purse your
Speaker 2: lips and look at Careesy or someone asking you questions,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, I like rewound it.
Speaker 4: It was so good.
Speaker 7: The thing was too, is that like I had never
Speaker 7: had scenes with all the leads like I had the
Speaker 7: auditions had been with like you know, I had a
Speaker 7: scene one time in a laundry room with with rawlins
Speaker 7: and but and one was like an undercover cop eating
Speaker 7: out of a trash can and that was really that
Speaker 7: was really fun to tape, you know. And one was
Speaker 7: like uh, long Island mom who was like had these
Speaker 7: long fake nails and she was scratching her lottery tickets
Speaker 7: with her nails.
Speaker 6: Like there was some really fun ones.
Speaker 7: But I had never had an audition with all the leads,
Speaker 7: and then I do I do think the fifteen years
Speaker 7: got me to the best one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because to like talk shit to Maura, you had
Speaker 1: to talk shit to Benson and be like I decide
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like you know, I love how unhinged your
Speaker 1: character is, like she's been caught doing the most psychotic
Speaker 1: thing and then she comes in and.
Speaker 4: Acts like why is everybody bothering me?
Speaker 6: Like you know, I just like I know.
Speaker 2: Like the control of it too, And how quickly your
Speaker 2: character turns on her husband just like he doesn't even exist,
Speaker 2: but you were willing to like kill your child for it.
Speaker 7: And Skyler was great, Like we hung out the whole time,
Speaker 7: the guy who played my husband, but we never had
Speaker 7: any scenes together except.
Speaker 6: For just like they interrogate you totally separately and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we had the like kidnapping the girl
Speaker 7: day like in the van and stuff, but we never
Speaker 7: we never talked to each other in a scene.
Speaker 2: No, but you shot him because that's actually where we
Speaker 2: meet your character is you have a gun under your chin?
Speaker 7: Yes, And I will tell you about that scene, please, Okay.
Speaker 7: So in the script, so this is the first day
Speaker 7: I had met Marishka and all the stars I hadn't
Speaker 7: had a scene with him yet so well, and in
Speaker 7: the script it said there was no dialogue. It said
Speaker 7: eye contact, eye contact, she has a gun to her head.
Speaker 7: It's an intense standoff NYPD, and so there was no dialogue.
Speaker 7: So I hadn't prepared or like worked on anything. And
Speaker 7: I'm like, you know, I'm in the Strasburg cult. So
Speaker 7: my teacher would get mad for me me saying that.
Speaker 7: But I'm in the Strasburg people, and I need to
Speaker 7: work on things before I do them.
Speaker 6: But I don't really I just am in my head,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: So I hadn't really prepared or worked on this, and
Speaker 7: he's like.
Speaker 6: The director, Norberto was great.
Speaker 7: He was like, j J, just throw out some lines
Speaker 7: here and I'm like, what, what what do you mean?
Speaker 7: Like you want me to improv a murder suicide? I
Speaker 7: don't know what to say. And he was like, I
Speaker 7: don't know, just say leave me alone, get.
Speaker 4: Out of here.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, what say that in this situation?
Speaker 7: And then they do a take and she comes in NYBB,
Speaker 7: they bust in. So I feel like, they make you
Speaker 7: do a take so they see what they're working with.
Speaker 7: So we did the whole thing and it was definitely
Speaker 7: not to the level it needed to be. And then
Speaker 7: he's like cut and she's like, Hi, I'm Marishika.
Speaker 6: Like that's the first time.
Speaker 1: She said, Oh my god, Oh my god. You're like,
Speaker 1: let me just put the gun down so I can
Speaker 1: shake your hand.
Speaker 4: What's up.
Speaker 7: But then they were great, like she's on one side
Speaker 7: of me and he's on the other, and they would
Speaker 7: just be like he'd be like say this and she'd
Speaker 7: be like say this. And at one point, can I
Speaker 7: can I say the effort?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, as much as you want.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have been listening to you guys podcast, so
Speaker 6: I thought so.
Speaker 7: At one point he says, get the fuck away from me,
Speaker 7: and I was like, get the fuck away from me.
Speaker 7: And then after they caught it, the script supervisor came
Speaker 7: around and she whispered in my ear. She's like, you
Speaker 7: can't say fuck, And I'm like, oh, that was like direction.
Speaker 7: That wasn't telling me actually to say. Also, I could
Speaker 7: not touch the child with the shot caller, Like when
Speaker 7: I turn around to do to do the shock, I
Speaker 7: didn't even have it in my hand, like really, yeah,
Speaker 7: Like the legal people were all over that.
Speaker 6: There were like so many rules like.
Speaker 2: Yes, tell us about the details of the like other
Speaker 2: how they kept her not knowing everything.
Speaker 4: Did she know the storyline? She's very precocious.
Speaker 7: I imagine she knew the storyline and she was into it.
Speaker 1: She was into it so terrified. She was great, Actually,
Speaker 1: she was great. Was really freaking me out.
Speaker 7: She was great. She gutshould get her on here. I
Speaker 7: saw her on a TV show the other day. I
Speaker 7: was like, that's my that's my it's not my daughter,
Speaker 7: my kid. I did after her.
Speaker 6: She was great.
Speaker 7: She wanted to and her mom told me that she
Speaker 7: wants to do all the dark stuff like when we
Speaker 7: were kids. When we were she just went for it.
Speaker 7: I mean they had to take her back a little
Speaker 7: bit like when she was when we were kidnapping her.
Speaker 7: She was struggling with me and just like fighting fighting
Speaker 7: against me, and director would be like a little less.
Speaker 6: She loved it.
Speaker 4: She loved it.
Speaker 2: How was your interactions when it was like cut, Like,
Speaker 2: were you guys kind of chummy?
Speaker 4: Did you keep separate to.
Speaker 6: Like so chummy?
Speaker 7: She was like, we'd take selfies, we'd like hang out
Speaker 7: like we're like.
Speaker 6: That was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta keep it lighter. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: probably so scary for kids.
Speaker 7: I had a stun double, but that was supposed to
Speaker 7: drive the car, and I've had one on a movie
Speaker 7: one time before, so that's the first time. It wasn't
Speaker 7: the first time, so I didn't have I wasn't as like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, I have stunt double, you know.
Speaker 6: But they were supposed to drive the.
Speaker 7: Car around the block, and the director was like, keep going.
Speaker 7: So I drove the car around the block. But they
Speaker 7: had a dummy child that was dressed like her in
Speaker 7: the back seat, which which I had. They moved really
Speaker 7: fast on SPU, so I hadn't really turned around to
Speaker 7: look at the child because I also, I drive, but
Speaker 7: I don't drive in New York, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: I'm driving in New York.
Speaker 6: I had to, you know, pay attention.
Speaker 7: So I didn't turn around and look at the dummy
Speaker 7: child in the back until I had gotten all the
Speaker 7: way around the block. And then I was a little like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, that's so fair, very creepy.
Speaker 4: And you know what else, this is not even that specific.
Speaker 2: They only had a few hundred subscribers, like I remember
Speaker 2: them saying that, and I was like, all this for
Speaker 2: a few hundred.
Speaker 1: People, I have a lot to say. When we actually
Speaker 1: read episode, I'm like.
Speaker 7: There were some holes in the script I had that
Speaker 7: I had.
Speaker 6: To like, you know, backstory it up for myself.
Speaker 7: I mean, I just this short version of it was
Speaker 7: just like that I came from money and you know,
Speaker 7: had issues with my family, and you know, I married
Speaker 7: this guy who I'm completely obsessed with, and we you know,
Speaker 7: partied together and and he started after we had a kid.
Speaker 7: You know, it was getting to that point where like
Speaker 7: we have to have a kid or not. And then
Speaker 7: so it was like, okay, let's just try it. Like
Speaker 7: we never were committed to it, and then he started
Speaker 7: to and you never loved your kid as much as
Speaker 7: the dogs, No, and I and I lost the fun,
Speaker 7: fun party part of my husband like went away, started
Speaker 7: to go away, and I didn't know how to get
Speaker 7: it back.
Speaker 6: And I had some like resentment.
Speaker 7: You know, we were like sexually devious all this stuff
Speaker 7: and had a lot of fun together. And then but
Speaker 7: he you know, we had a little bit of money. Somehow,
Speaker 7: we couldn't have been provided, we couldn't have been supporting
Speaker 7: ourselves on these rottweilers, right, and he wasn't working that hard.
Speaker 7: And then he he lost it for me after we
Speaker 7: had the kid. He lost his passion for me.
Speaker 4: And Bill he's disciplining that doggie. Wow.
Speaker 7: And then I wanted to get it and then I
Speaker 7: wanted to get that back, and you know, so I
Speaker 7: had to do something to because I'm so dismissive of
Speaker 7: him in it and I'm just ready to turn him over,
Speaker 7: like I I had to work on something that made
Speaker 7: me able to just be like I'm done with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, like blame blame it on him in subway.
Speaker 6: I don't know. It was something. It was something like that.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 1: That's cool because you created a lot of backstory that
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have heard, you know.
Speaker 4: Like it's definitely like what's her motivation here?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like but that's like such an interesting part
Speaker 1: of like the job that you do is like you
Speaker 1: don't always get that, and a director doesn't always tell
Speaker 1: you either, so you got to like fill it in
Speaker 1: for yourself or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we meet her so heightened and then she yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, she's like so confident and interrogation and so
Speaker 2: dismiss it and just ready, Yeah, it's the interrogation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, tell us everything.
Speaker 7: The interrogation scene was interesting to me because you know,
Speaker 7: it's Marishka and Kelly right there like in my face,
Speaker 7: and they were like in my face.
Speaker 2: Like but also with your backstory about having money. That's
Speaker 2: how you guys got lawyers that fast?
Speaker 6: Yeah maybe, yeah, that's smart.
Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, but yes.
Speaker 7: So they come in, you know, and they are both
Speaker 7: just like you know, they're both just like powerhouses, and
Speaker 7: they want to get going because you know, the guest
Speaker 7: stars who have been trying to get on the show
Speaker 7: for fifteen years, they probably all want to be good
Speaker 7: for them and be their friends, and they want them
Speaker 7: to be interested in us. And I'm just like sitting.
Speaker 6: There like like what do I do? My god, they're
Speaker 6: bright in my face, you know. So they talk to you.
Speaker 6: I could feel it happening.
Speaker 7: They talk to you as much as they need to
Speaker 7: talk to you to get what they need so they
Speaker 7: can go home to their kids.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: So we do the scene, we rehearse a little bit,
Speaker 7: and then in between takes. You know, Kelly started it,
Speaker 7: she'd be like, so where are you from? You know,
Speaker 7: and I'd be like Indiana and and you know, and
Speaker 7: then in between takes, the next the next one, Mariska said,
Speaker 7: my father was mister Indiana.
Speaker 6: He was a bodybuilder. Like you know, they say.
Speaker 7: These and and now after watching the my mom Jane,
Speaker 7: I feel like.
Speaker 6: So special that she said that to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they'll.
Speaker 7: Say little things to you like we're like, it's like
Speaker 7: we're not friends, but we're gonna be nice to each
Speaker 7: other and cordial and try to make me feel comfortable
Speaker 7: enough that we are a little bit making friends so
Speaker 7: that we can get the work done.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: That's what it feels like. But it feels in a
Speaker 7: good way. I'm making it sound like a little frivolous,
Speaker 7: but in a good way. It feels like they're almost
Speaker 7: gonna let me into the club, but not really, but
Speaker 7: we're just gonna get but you know, you're you're not.
Speaker 6: There yet, you know.
Speaker 1: Probably depends also like what type of day you're shooting
Speaker 1: the scene, Like if it's first thing in the morning,
Speaker 1: maybe they're more chatty, and then like if it's five
Speaker 1: o'clock or they're like, we gotta get home, you know.
Speaker 6: But but then we did, we did. I did feel
Speaker 6: good by the end of it.
Speaker 7: I told Kelly that I waited on her a couple
Speaker 7: of times at a restaurant and I she'd come into
Speaker 7: this restaurant where I worked, and she was kind of.
Speaker 6: Like where when you know, like like like she didn't
Speaker 6: really remember it.
Speaker 7: And I was like, oh God, note to self, don't
Speaker 7: tell stars that you waited on them in a restaurant.
Speaker 7: I was like, lesson learned. I won't like try to
Speaker 7: make that connection. And then though by the end of it,
Speaker 7: I did feel so then I felt a little insecure
Speaker 7: for a minute, but then by the end of it,
Speaker 7: I did feel like we were okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like so weird. Wait what restaurant
Speaker 2: was it?
Speaker 6: MoMA Fucu zombar Oh?
Speaker 4: Wow, I remember? How can you not remember MoMA Fuku?
Speaker 4: Yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It's not there anymore.
Speaker 7: But I worked there for a long time, like seven
Speaker 7: and a half years, and you know, everybody would come
Speaker 7: in there, so you would. It's just like the thing
Speaker 7: of like some celebrity you can talk to them and
Speaker 7: some you can't, and you just have to feel feel
Speaker 7: it out, and you never want to make it about
Speaker 7: and you talk to them about the food.
Speaker 6: You don't talk to them about other things, you know.
Speaker 7: But by the end of that little interaction with the
Speaker 7: two of them that interrogation scene, I did have the
Speaker 7: confidence to say, I just want you both to know
Speaker 7: that I've been auditioning for the show for fifteen years.
Speaker 6: And then Richie said, and look, you got the best ones.
Speaker 4: Awesome. Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Mean these scenes in your real I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, because you did an
Speaker 1: episode of organized crime as well, right, yes, did you
Speaker 1: notice like a difference between being on like a set
Speaker 1: run by Christopher Maloney and a set run by Mrushia
Speaker 1: Hargitet Because I'm interested.
Speaker 7: So I only saw him in the makeup room and
Speaker 7: he was very nice to me, came right up, introduced himself,
Speaker 7: you know, like smiled, and I was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 7: but he wasn't on my scene. And I do have
Speaker 7: a good organized crime story as well. So my first
Speaker 7: show was Criminal Minds, and I had like one line
Speaker 7: one and then it got cut to one word and
Speaker 7: then this is in my this isn't my solo play
Speaker 7: that I'll plug later, but in my family it's a
Speaker 7: verb we call I got criminal minded again. So it's
Speaker 7: like I get cut out or it's just like you're
Speaker 7: you're there and you look like you know, it's happened
Speaker 7: to me so many times, or you look like an extra,
Speaker 7: but you're there, you know, But you did have a
Speaker 7: scene so organized crime. I was like a rocker chick,
Speaker 7: like had this big leather jacket with fringe, and I
Speaker 7: was like jamming out in the in the truck. And
Speaker 7: my boyfriend was ex military. So there's a cop stuck
Speaker 7: in the trunk of the car and he's doing SOS
Speaker 7: with the brake lights. So my boyfriend's like, I think
Speaker 7: that's SOS. So we stop and like, you know, try
Speaker 7: to let him out. So the day that was the
Speaker 7: third day, second or third day of shooting, it was
Speaker 7: set up in on a street. A pedestrian car drives
Speaker 7: through the set, knocking down the cameras. Oh my god, yes, yes,
Speaker 7: knocking down the cameras. Like this big thing happened. I
Speaker 7: didn't see it. I was in the in the van.
Speaker 7: But then like camera crew went to like crew went
Speaker 7: to like get him, like attack him. He pulls out
Speaker 7: his this is the story I got here, say, I
Speaker 7: didn't see it for myself. He pulls out his cell
Speaker 7: phone camera and starts filming them coming at him, and
Speaker 7: so then the cops recalled he go, They let him go,
Speaker 7: the guy who drove through the set, and the day
Speaker 7: they call the day because people can't keep shooting after that.
Speaker 7: So I called my brother and I was like, I
Speaker 7: am going to get criminal minded again.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm not.
Speaker 7: Gonna They're not even I cannot find it. I'm like
Speaker 7: there was a terrorist attack or something. I cannot find
Speaker 7: another reason why I'm gonna. I'm not even going to
Speaker 7: get to shoot this. So they do call us back
Speaker 7: one more day. They set up the set in a
Speaker 7: parking lot instead of on that street, and we do
Speaker 7: the scene again. So I'm like, cool, I'm gonna make it.
Speaker 7: I'm going to get in because it was the teaser.
Speaker 7: And then you know, a few weeks months later, I'm
Speaker 7: watching the episode and I'm like, that doesn't happen. Now,
Speaker 7: that doesn't happen yet, the whole teaser was caught. They
Speaker 7: just start with the guy getting out of the trunk. Oh,
Speaker 7: so you got criminal minded again. I got criminal minded again.
Speaker 7: So you can barely see me in organized crime?
Speaker 2: Wait, you mentioned solo show? Tell us about it?
Speaker 4: Is it?
Speaker 2: How to Find a husband in thirty seven years or longer?
Speaker 6: Or longer.
Speaker 7: It is, you know it. I watched your Netflix special too.
Speaker 7: I love that stuff.
Speaker 4: About your dad. Oh my gosh, thank you.
Speaker 7: It's called How to Find a Husband in thirty seven
Speaker 7: Years or Longer, and my dad is the main character.
Speaker 6: My dad. We have been touring a little bit this summer.
Speaker 3: We have.
Speaker 7: We just did Days in South Dakota, where some my
Speaker 7: my brother lives, and that was a really great theater
Speaker 7: Catalyst shout out to Catalyst Theater Company. They were awesome.
Speaker 7: And then we're doing it in Indianapolis in August. But
Speaker 7: my father got busted growing marijuana in twenty ten, and
Speaker 7: he's like a Pentecostal Christian, like, he just did it
Speaker 7: for the money. This is in Indiana where it's you know,
Speaker 7: completely illegal. He just did it for the money. Some
Speaker 7: kid in his factory convinced him to do it. And
Speaker 7: so I was supposed to go to India for my
Speaker 7: first roommate in New York's wedding, and my flights got
Speaker 7: canceled twice, so I ended up in That's like the
Speaker 7: first joke is, like, I guess I wasn't supposed to
Speaker 7: be in India.
Speaker 6: I was supposed to be in Indiana.
Speaker 7: So I go to Indiana and I record my dad,
Speaker 7: which I didn't even it was, you know, it was
Speaker 7: like I think I had my first iPhone and I
Speaker 7: had never recorded really on your phone. So I recorded
Speaker 7: him just like figuring it out, like is this how
Speaker 7: this works? You know, like let me see if this works.
Speaker 7: And he didn't know I was recording him. I recorded
Speaker 7: him telling me like his side of the story, and
Speaker 7: then it kind of turned into this. I didn't think
Speaker 7: it was the same script, but I was writing also,
Speaker 7: you know, boys stories, and my dad talks about his
Speaker 7: four ex wives, so it's kind of in present time.
Speaker 7: I'm in the truck with my dad discussing what happened
Speaker 7: with this marijuana thing, and he starts going off on
Speaker 7: his ex wives and then it goes into like a
Speaker 7: memory play of like ex boyfriends and like falling love
Speaker 7: and break up.
Speaker 6: And yeah, so we've been doing it a little bit.
Speaker 6: We took it to Edinburgh Fringe.
Speaker 4: How was that? How was the fringe? It was great?
Speaker 6: Have you ever done the Fringe?
Speaker 2: I did it in twenty nineteen and I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: my time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we have to go back, We have to
Speaker 7: go back. It's it was like amazing, it was a
Speaker 7: bucket list. It was like crazyness, Like it felt like
Speaker 7: a year and it felt like a day all at
Speaker 7: the same time. And then I came home and like
Speaker 7: had a mental breakdown, like what am I going to
Speaker 7: do now?
Speaker 2: Well, if you're in Indiana August twenty second through the
Speaker 2: twenty fourth.
Speaker 4: Go seeay say what it's called again?
Speaker 7: JJ how to find a husband in thirty seven years
Speaker 7: or longer?
Speaker 1: Okay, great, yes, indie indie people, go see that or
Speaker 1: the Environs of Indy and.
Speaker 6: Give me more guest star auditions Universe.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but it'll probably just be in like a
Speaker 1: year or two, because you know, we can't just forget
Speaker 1: about Nicole.
Speaker 4: You know, like I will regular lady now, you know.
Speaker 2: And that room is creepy, Like I'm you know, it's
Speaker 2: at it, but that room is creepy.
Speaker 7: And they took that room out to the barn and
Speaker 7: had it like reset up in the barn.
Speaker 6: Yeah that I did see that.
Speaker 7: That was creepy and I got to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I got to do adr for the first time,
Speaker 7: which was so fun. Ooh yeah, I had never done that.
Speaker 7: So you're in a little booth, you're in a room,
Speaker 7: somebody's in Stye Town, somebody's in LA and they play
Speaker 7: the scene for you, and then you have to like
Speaker 7: because they wanted my my torturing voice was too mean.
Speaker 7: They wanted it to be like sweeter, so it was
Speaker 7: more like creepy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So then I was like doing all these like higher
Speaker 7: voice inflections, like don't do that. You know you're gonna
Speaker 7: be trying to make it like really creepy instead of harsh.
Speaker 7: So I got to do adr for that.
Speaker 6: Great, they did make you creepy. They succeeded.
Speaker 1: It's so such a like little yeah eight R is
Speaker 1: such a funny little trick, like when you just can
Speaker 1: add jokes in when you don't see someone's mouth, you know, like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you just watch the screen and then say
Speaker 7: the line and they change it and I could see
Speaker 7: how they changed it on the on the cut.
Speaker 6: Was that was that was pretty cool?
Speaker 4: Crazy? Thank you for having so many details.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're more most recent, I would say, you're
Speaker 1: the we've we've never ever talked to somebody who's just
Speaker 1: been on an episode so recent.
Speaker 2: Really, you never talked to her anyone in the current
Speaker 2: season ever.
Speaker 6: First time, Well, my friend Kate. Hi, Kate.
Speaker 7: My friend Kate told me about you guys because she's
Speaker 7: one of those people that is watches SPU.
Speaker 6: Like from the beginning every week, die Hard.
Speaker 7: She was a manager at the restaurant that I was
Speaker 7: talking about, Sombar, So she I didn't tell her that
Speaker 7: I got it because I like kind of knew in
Speaker 7: my head that she would see me and so that
Speaker 7: she she like finally was like, JJ, you know because
Speaker 7: because you do that. I when I worked there that
Speaker 7: I had auditioned a couple of times and she sent
Speaker 7: me your Guys podcast.
Speaker 6: She was like, you should be on this, So.
Speaker 1: Kak, we need boots on the ground recruiting people. Anything
Speaker 1: else you'd like to tell people about or how to
Speaker 1: follow you.
Speaker 6: Or yeah, an scoop my any scoop?
Speaker 7: Oh, where would we start? My Instagram is at Alice
Speaker 7: IW for Alice in Wonderland, Alice IW on Instagram, TikTok
Speaker 7: all that you know all this stuff Twitter not Twitter.
Speaker 2: X, thank you and thanks to your friend Kate. We
Speaker 2: were like so excited that you're able to come on.
Speaker 2: I mean it's uh, it's an incredibly dark, good episode.
Speaker 4: It is right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, she was awesome remembered everything. What a story of
Speaker 2: perseverance and what an actress because yeah, don't give up.
Speaker 1: Fifteen years she finally got to play like a fucking
Speaker 1: extremely sick o battie and have face time with all
Speaker 1: the main casts.
Speaker 4: So good for her. I hate this episode.
Speaker 1: The episode is so dark, Like I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: see what's going to happen in this new season with
Speaker 1: this new female showrunner who not only is a female
Speaker 1: showrunner but also comes from like the classic days of
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 4: You know, like I kind of just want we.
Speaker 1: Don't have to get as horrific as possible, Like just
Speaker 1: somebody breaking into someone's apartment and attacking them is horrific enough,
Speaker 1: you know, like we don't have to do pooring gas
Speaker 1: on people and the most important lifeguard in New York.
Speaker 4: Although I mean we had fun with that, but like.
Speaker 2: No, it's so but I'm glad to know that the
Speaker 2: young actress was just like a dark girl, Like who
Speaker 2: loved that because it's scary.
Speaker 4: It's scary, and she was so good in it.
Speaker 2: But I think it's like seeing her get shocked and scream.
Speaker 4: Like it was just tough. She was really good because
Speaker 4: if you.
Speaker 1: Think back to like the very little like abuse that
Speaker 1: they show on the show of Children, Like they usually
Speaker 1: you find a kid huddled in a blanket, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we found you, Sammy, like or whatever, Like, we don't
Speaker 1: usually see bad things happening like to the kid directly.
Speaker 1: That little girl was like terrifying me. She looked so scared.
Speaker 1: She was excellent. Yeah, she was excellent. I bet we're
Speaker 1: gonna follow her forever and she'll be like a Lily
Speaker 1: Reinhart where we're like, wait, we can't get hurt. What
Speaker 1: do you mean she's thirty million followers. It'll be that
Speaker 1: kind of situation.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, Lily Reinhart stone Cold.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's a trailer for some movie that looks
Speaker 2: good with her. Well, yeah, there's just what's the fun
Speaker 2: movie coming out with all the desks, Casey, the scary
Speaker 2: one with the desks and all the kids get up, Julia.
Speaker 1: Isn't it called like seventeen Weapon Weapons and it's like
Speaker 1: seventeen kids leave their house this and don't return or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm fucking excited. Get me.
Speaker 2: Oh your favorite June Diana Raphael's in it. Oh I
Speaker 2: saw her at the premiere. Look at the weapon.
Speaker 1: She was the Weapons premiere looking you went to the
Speaker 1: Weapons premiere no on on Instagram. Oh sorry, I did
Speaker 1: not mean to make it sound like I was at
Speaker 1: the premiere.
Speaker 4: I think I would have led with that in the intro.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I saw her when she was posing at the premiere,
Speaker 1: and she just was wearing like a really sexy outfit.
Speaker 4: Shows good. Yeah, I'm excited as fuck. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know anything about it.
Speaker 1: I've just been seeing the post I saw the posters
Speaker 1: around New York for it everywhere, but post mortem for
Speaker 1: this episode. I guess it's like, let lock the car
Speaker 1: if your kid, if you're delivering food and your kids inside,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's the lesson.
Speaker 2: The lesson is, like our life sucks. We're living in
Speaker 2: a dystopian nightmare. No one should have to be delivering
Speaker 2: groceries while their kid is sick like it's fucked up,
Speaker 2: like it's fucked up.
Speaker 4: To watch the the bad lives that we're all okay with.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm excluding myself from this narrative, but I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone should have to struggle like that. No,
Speaker 1: I know, at the end, she goes, my parents are
Speaker 1: in Vermont, We're gonna go up there. I was like,
Speaker 1: why weren't you there already? Like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: and then close to the trust on boyfriend yeah or
Speaker 1: the father Yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, And like I
Speaker 1: don't know, dude, I don't know if it's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with your ozembic jingles.
Speaker 2: But keep following your dreams. I do have other big news.
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention. I did have dinner at Margaritaville
Speaker 2: in Times Square.
Speaker 4: Wow, what brought that on?
Speaker 2: Well, my friends and nieces were in town, so they
Speaker 2: stayed there for the pool. But then there's a booth
Speaker 2: that is the Statue of Liberty, So you sit inside
Speaker 2: the Statue of Liberty and they love the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2: And she's holding a margarita glass instead of a torch,
Speaker 2: and it's led margarita glass, so it turns into sharp
Speaker 2: little women.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 1: As soon as kids rented the picture, I was like,
Speaker 1: this makes sense.
Speaker 2: But like I had a Havana banana drink and honey.
Speaker 2: That was the first thing I all day, and I
Speaker 2: was wasted. But yeah, yeah, and the Buffalo chicken dip
Speaker 2: was good. I thought it was actually gonna be way
Speaker 2: worse than it was, so I was exciting.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where that is. Like it's a
Speaker 1: hotel and a restaurant. Oh yeah, the hotel is crazy.
Speaker 1: You walk in and there's just a giant flip flop.
Speaker 1: All the art is just parrots going. Is there a
Speaker 1: woman to blame?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: It's like not a girl. It's in Times Square.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like parrot heads just they descend on this
Speaker 2: place and it's just so trashy.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I think the price is okay for like with
Speaker 2: a pool, I guess or some sort. I don't have
Speaker 2: a pool in New York in the summer and be central.
Speaker 4: I get that.
Speaker 1: I get yeah, because they were going to a Latin
Speaker 1: you know their children they were really cool. Yeah, oh Aladdin.
Speaker 1: I always forget about Aladdin.
Speaker 4: But that's how I know.
Speaker 2: I'm back to back because at this Whippets hang, I
Speaker 2: was at a mission star chef cooked for us excuse me, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was like in heaven and then I was
Speaker 2: at Margaritaville the next day.
Speaker 4: I can do it all.
Speaker 1: It's all kinds. You really are multifaceted. Wait, speaking of
Speaker 1: Michelin Starship. It just reminded me of it, just like that.
Speaker 1: I am catching up. I'm already a few episodes into
Speaker 1: the third season, so I'm getting there with like everybody
Speaker 1: hate watching it, I'm going to get to I'm going
Speaker 1: to finish right as like the last episode drops.
Speaker 2: I was talking to someone young, like they're twenty one,
Speaker 2: and I was talking about how I'm just like that's ending,
Speaker 2: and they were like, so many of my moms are
Speaker 2: employed by that show. That sucks, and she just knew
Speaker 2: all these women that have like jobs because of the show.
Speaker 1: Wait, but is it ending? Oh yeay, I know it's done.
Speaker 1: They're not returning.
Speaker 4: It is done. Oh okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I see all the memes where it's like I
Speaker 2: hate the show. All I did was talk shit about it.
Speaker 2: I lived every moment, every second, and now I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean it's ending?
Speaker 4: Yeah? What do you mean? What's going on here?
Speaker 1: Oh? That's too bad. I was kind of watching it
Speaker 1: while doing other things. I was sort of emily emparising it,
Speaker 1: and I was enjoying, Like, I mean, it's bad. It's bad,
Speaker 1: and it's not the same as what we had but
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, the apartments are gorgeous and the fashion,
Speaker 1: and I like New York. That New York looks beautiful.
Speaker 1: You know, I was enjoying parts. Well, guess what else
Speaker 1: is set in New York? Dexter Okay, yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm putting that on my Wait, where's my watch list?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna it's just fucking good. It's such a good show.
Speaker 1: Like I forget that I'm a Dexter head, Like I
Speaker 1: just forget.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we love it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm putting it on my list along, well I
Speaker 1: can cross off and just like that, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put But they make.
Speaker 4: It really hard. People are like, oh, it's still continuing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, there was a new Blood and this
Speaker 2: is Resurrection, but there's a prequel in the beginning, and
Speaker 2: that one is not good.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like it's not trying a bunch of different things.
Speaker 4: It's not simple. But all right, let's get it.
Speaker 6: Let's move into our what would Sister Peg Do?
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