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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jill McCormick, and I regret to inform you

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Speaker 3: right at the start here that the Weird House Cinema

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Speaker 3: tour bus has broken down in Florida, so we are

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Speaker 3: still stuck in the Sunshine State.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We're continuing our look at Florida movies from

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Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, movies filmed in Florida, and certainly in

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Speaker 2: the case of today's film, and also nineteen seventy two's Frogs,

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Speaker 2: which we covered previously set in Florida as well. They

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Speaker 2: capture a certain Florida nis, both real and imagined. And

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Speaker 2: this week we're going to look at the Florida movie

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Speaker 2: par excellence, nineteen seventy one's zat You might know it

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Speaker 2: as the Blood Waters of Doctor Z. Some of you

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Speaker 2: might even know it as Hydra Sickly, as we'll get

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Speaker 2: into it had a number of various releases over the

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Speaker 2: years under different titles, but for the most part, the

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Speaker 2: one that's stuck is zat Z a a.

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Speaker 3: T This movie has some thematic overlap with other movies

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Speaker 3: that we've looked at, including sort of like Nature strikes

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Speaker 3: This is more of a This is more of a

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Speaker 3: sort of cheap body horror, mad science movie with some

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Speaker 3: ecological themes to it, rather than just like animals attacking

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Speaker 3: for revenge on humankind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I guess at heart, it's a creature feature,

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Speaker 2: but like like a lot of films that you encounter

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 2: It tries to do a lot of things, so it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's a creature feature, but it's also like a

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Speaker 2: science team adventure. It's also you know, it also tries

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Speaker 2: to be in the heat of the night a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It also has this Nature strikes Back element to it.

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Speaker 2: It's also a kind of a hippie folk musical, so

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Speaker 2: it kind of bats itself around a lot, and depending

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Speaker 2: on where you are in the film, you might get

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Speaker 2: something that is tonally different from another portion of the film.

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Speaker 3: It also has a little bit of overlap with Boggy

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Speaker 3: Creek two and the legend continues. We can talk about

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Speaker 3: some of the similarities as we go on, but I

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Speaker 3: appreciated the similar pompous voiceover narration, though in this case

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Speaker 3: it is the voiceover of a of a crazed, spurned

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Speaker 3: scientist who wants revenge on the world, whereas in Boggie

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Speaker 3: Creek two it's just a kind of I don't know,

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Speaker 3: like the town smart guy who wants to show off

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The voiceover narration in this is is sardonic to the max.

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Speaker 2: Like if you took Vincent Price's voice and you were

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Speaker 2: douced it overheat for a little bit until it was

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Speaker 2: it was just extra icky and gooky. That's what you'd

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Speaker 2: have in The Blood Waters of Doctor Z.

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Speaker 3: The voiceover narration whar's joker makeup?

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Speaker 2: Now, if you mentioned Boggy Creeker earlier. And I think

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Speaker 2: was riffed in a nineteen ninety nine episode of Mystery

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Speaker 2: Doctor Z. And if you're like me, that might be

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Speaker 2: where you discovered the film. And that's a great MST episode.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to take anything away from that, but as

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Speaker 2: I would watch and rewatch that episode, I found that,

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Speaker 2: like a lot of MST episodes that really called me,

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Speaker 2: there was something in the underlying film. There was an

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Speaker 2: awkwardness to it, a kind of loneliness to it, and

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Speaker 2: I've also grown to really appreciate the flora theness of

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Speaker 2: And you know, ultimately I encourage fans of the MST

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Speaker 3: This is not of the attack of the Crab Monster's

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Speaker 3: your sixty three minute abs. This one, I think is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the it's one hundred minutes long,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's it's plus sized, this one. So you can.

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Speaker 2: Now we mentioned the MST episode. I think a lot

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Speaker 2: despite only having a limited release in Jacksonville, Florida and

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Speaker 2: New York's forty second Street back in nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 3: You had the version we watched. It begins with a

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Speaker 3: up to be in saying don don You've got to

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Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, I think people really wanted some sort

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Speaker 2: like The Scorpion Fish and the Sargassum Fish, is it's

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Speaker 2: which is the Atlanta artist and Jacksonville native our Land,

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Speaker 2: who I know we're both fans of. Have you seen

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Speaker 2: any of our Lands zat pieces, Joe, Oh.

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Speaker 3: I don't know I've seen a lot of his stuff

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Speaker 2: He did create a number of art pieces that actually

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, there may still be some pieces there.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been there in a spell, but there, you know,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he's apparently a Zat megafan, and you know

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Speaker 3: All right, what's the elevator pitch?

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Speaker 2: On this film, a lonely mad scientist in Florida hatches

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that trailer.

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Speaker 5: Audio and now coming to this theater. One of the

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Speaker 5: most incredible stories of modern time, Zat Invasion of the

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Speaker 5: Walking Catfish. A crazed scientist, doctor Leopald is convinced he

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Speaker 5: can turn humans into fish. He proves it by transforming

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Speaker 5: You won't want to miss Zat Positively no one admitted

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Speaker 3: Okay, now, you would not have expected a movie like

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Speaker 3: this to have major folk music themes. And I don't

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, we can go straight to the

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Speaker 2: But this is from Barry Hodgen and Jamie Defrates. They

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Speaker 2: I listened to this song quite a bit, especially in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's almost it's almost a rock opera. I

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Speaker 3: Do you ever hear that story? It was by somebody

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Speaker 3: This come before or after Puma Man.

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Speaker 2: Oh, but either way, there were definitely some Puma Man's

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Speaker 2: so he was very much alive to see the renaissance

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Speaker 2: disc that we watched featured introductory commentary by Don Barton

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk very briefly about the additional

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Leopold will eventually turn into a monster and

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Speaker 3: I guess I'll cite several of these throughout the episode.

436
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Speaker 3: There are a number of interesting facts that are claimed

437
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: on the IMDb page for this movie that are unsourced,

438
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: so I can't verify them, but at least the claim

439
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 3: is that he was recruited through a newspaper ad. Like

440
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: you say, it was basically like, we need a really

441
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: tall person who's going to play monster, and they got

442
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: like tons of responses, like people were Florida was into this.

443
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: All right. The next acting credit to highlight here, Gerald

444
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: Cruz played marine biologist Rex. He doesn't have a last

445
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: name as far as I know. This was his only

446
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: film role, which ultimately surprised me because I thought he

447
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: had a nice screen presence in this as the African

448
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: American Marine biologist who is the first to realize that

449
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: something is wrong.

450
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, this movie does something that a lot of these

451
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: creature feature nature strikes back type movies do, which is

452
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: there's somebody who's like the voice of reason, you know,

453
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: the cooler head who's putting together the evidence while everybody

454
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 3: else around them is just sort of like reacting erratically

455
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 3: and emotionally. And he plays the cool head in this movie,

456
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: like he's the person who's out there saying like, oh,

457
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: there's pollution in the water, and oh, here's this report

458
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: of a catfish and this wound on the victim looks

459
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: like a giant catfish claw mark. I think he at

460
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: one point concludes, I'm not sure that lines up with reality,

461
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: but like that's the role he plays in the movie,

462
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 3: and he's set opposite. For example, this sort of like

463
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: redneck sheriff who's always got a piece of straw hanging

464
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: out of his mouth or I guess a piece of hay,

465
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: and he's always like, well, I don't believe in monsters.

466
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

467
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: And that is Sheriff lou Krantz played by Paul Galloway

468
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: who lived nineteen twenty three through twenty fifteen. Like everybody

469
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: in this wasn't in tremendous much else. But he played

470
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: garage man, which I assume is a bit part in

471
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: the in JD's Revenge from nineteen seventy six in New

472
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: Orleans crime drama starring Glenn Turman and Lewis Gossip Junior.

473
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: In this film, however, yeah, he plays the small town

474
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: sheriff who is lazy and largely incompetent. Yeah, but in

475
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: the later portions of the film shows a little bit

476
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: of hustle, but not quite enough.

477
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 3: He's one of those characters who is not the antagonist

478
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: of the film. He's not a bad guy, but he's

479
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: just sort of a he's a roadblock. He's just sort

480
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: of getting in the way of what needs to happen happening.

481
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

482
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: Now, another thing I should point out is that this

483
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: is one of those movies where you see a few

484
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: repeats during the credits. For example, Paul Galloway here, who

485
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 3: plays the sheriff, he was in the cast, but he

486
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: was also a unit manager. And then I saw in

487
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: the credits that Ron Kivett, who was one of the

488
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: writers of the film, was also the technical director and

489
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 3: did some of the costuming, And I think there were

490
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: a few others like this, so it's not all the

491
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: way to Neil Breen or Coleman Francis Tire where the

492
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: directors also getting credits for catering and event security and stuff.

493
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: But there is some repetition going on, all right.

494
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: A couple of other actors that we'll mention. Sannah Ringhaer

495
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: plays Agent Martha Walsh. Dave Dickerson plays Agent Walker Stevens.

496
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: Both of these actors these were their only film roles,

497
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: but these two will come back to them. There are

498
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: Moulder and Scully and that they work for a shadowy

499
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 2: organization known as in Pit.

500
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get called in by Rex, the marine biologist.

501
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: I could not have told you these characters' names for me.

502
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: They were just Inpit Agent one and Inpit Agent two.

503
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

504
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 2: Now another character that the character's barely worth mentioning him.

505
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,239
Speaker 2: There's a deputy sheriff in this, but it's played by

506
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: an actor by the name of Rich Valerie, who lived

507
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: fifty two through twenty eighteen. Was only in eight films,

508
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: but they included small roles in Jaws three, The Road

509
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: to Welville, and Knight of the Hunter.

510
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: Well, he was in Knight of the Hunter.

511
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Wait that Night of the Hunter Joe, the nineteen ninety

512
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: one made for tv Knight of the Hunter starring Richard

513
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: Chamberlain and featuring Burgess Meredith and Ray McKinnon in a

514
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: small role.

515
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: Okay, that would make sense. Now for him to have

516
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: been in the original Night of the Hunter, he would

517
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: have to have been I guess three years old when

518
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: he starred in it. The original Night of the Hunter

519
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: is a scary movie, man, talk about spellbinding actors. That

520
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: that is one of the all time greats for me

521
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: in terms of a screen presence that you cannot take

522
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: your eyes off of. Robert Mitcham in that movie is

523
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: scary as hell.

524
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what if we remade it in the early

525
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: nineties with Richard Chamberlain in the role? Okay, that's supposedly awful. Okay,

526
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: Now that's enough with the cast. That's enough with the

527
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: humans and the monsters. We need to talk just a

528
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: little bit about the music and then the next few

529
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: people of note are responsible for the music of that.

530
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: And the music of that is pretty great, even if

531
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: it's a bit all over the place as well, which

532
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: is kind of suitable. It encompasses more traditional late sixties

533
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: early seventies film score work, which some of that I

534
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: suspect is stock music, but then it also has like

535
00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: folk rock, it has ambient synth in there. Yeah, there's

536
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: some uncredited stock music in there, per IMDb by Trevor Duncan.

537
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: So it's kind of all over the place, but there's

538
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: some some really interesting stuff in there.

539
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: I was not really won over by the electronic music

540
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: in this one, which mostly just took the form of

541
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: like kind of painful, high pitch noises and screeching.

542
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh really, I I ultimately really liked that, That's what

543
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: I recall. Yeah, well, it is like that. It is

544
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: kind of noisy at times. It kind of gets into

545
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: that Doctor X territory where you know we discussed in

546
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: that film there are these these these scenes that have

547
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: ambient mad science noises in the background. It sounds a

548
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: lot like it is some manner of like modern post

549
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: industrial electronic score, and so Za definitely has that vibe

550
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: going on. But I actually really liked it. It's in

551
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: my opinion, I thought it was pretty effective. It's cynthy

552
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: kind of noise ambient and the electronic music like this

553
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: in the film, and I suspect some of the background.

554
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: Electronic Weirdness is the work of Jack Tamil, a Floridian

555
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: synth musician, and if you look him up on Spotify

556
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: and other digital platforms like that, you'll find some rather

557
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: haunting nature ambient recordings that he's done, such as Voices

558
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: of the Everglades of Everglades State Park and Gator Bellows

559
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: in the Everglades, both the collaborations.

560
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: With James T.

561
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 3: Miller.

562
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: Okay, but he also put out some excellent space music

563
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties and nineties, including The Referee Has

564
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: Vanished from nineteen eighty six, Meditative Massage from nineteen ninety two,

565
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: Cynthist I think it is from nineteen eighty two, and.

566
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: Then well that's a religious affiliation. Honestly, I am a synthist.

567
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: And then there's a nineteen eighty album he put out

568
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: titled Electroacoustic like Electro Slash Acoustic, which was released on

569
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: Spectrum Records. I couldn't find any of these available in

570
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: the normal places online, but I did find a YouTube

571
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: upload that consists of Electroacoustic The Referee Has Vanished and

572
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: sounds from Zat's audio, and you can also looks like

573
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: you can still pick up electroacoustic used on vinyl. I

574
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: was listening to it. It's pretty good. I enjoyed it.

575
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: Also not surprising the number one YouTube comment on that

576
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: track that I mentioned. It's our land chiming in and

577
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: saying yeah, thank you for putting this.

578
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: Comment with his real name. Yeah.

579
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: If you know another Jack Tamil track you can look

580
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: up on band camp. There's a comp titled Escape from

581
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: the Cage Volume two Into the Underworld, originally released by

582
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: Oracle Music in nineteen ninety. If you look that up,

583
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: he has a track on there. It's called Imber Days,

584
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: and I thought it was rather nice. Anyway, that's Jack Tamil.

585
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: That's the electro you know, synth noise background that you hear.

586
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: But again, uh, the the folk music that comes to

587
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: us from Barry Hodgen and Jamie Defrates and and their

588
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: story is kind of interesting as well. According to the

589
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: blog Bill Ectric's Place, Bill is an ocala based writer

590
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: and blogger in Florida. Defrates lived in Jacksonville at the time,

591
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: and he was a traveling musician, having supposedly opened for

592
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: the likes of Willie Nelson, janis Ian Little River Band,

593
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: you Know, et c. Various people that were making the

594
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: rounds in those days. And he ran a recording studio

595
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: in Jacksonville and is still active.

596
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 4: I looked him up.

597
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: He has or had a website. Some of these guys,

598
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: their websites kind of come in and out. But yeah,

599
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: Jamie defrates. You can look him up on on Spotify

600
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: and you can find the music from ZA. It's pretty,

601
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: it's pretty nice.

602
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: Interesting. Well, Rob, I regret having having yucked your your

603
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: your delicious synth music, or maybe I should give it

604
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 3: another shot. I just recall when I was watching it,

605
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: there was frequently like a just a high pitched noise

606
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: that was starting to kind of make me feel a

607
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: little woozy.

608
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Well, but then again, you have to remember, like that's

609
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: kind of what the music is supposed to do in

610
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: a film like this. It's to build that sense of

611
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: unease and an alienation and Floridian weirdness.

612
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, I'm there, Seth.

613
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: Give us just a little taste of some of that

614
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: Jack Tamil music before we move on to the plot.

615
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: All right, Joe, let's get into the plot of this baby.

616
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: Yes, let us tell the story of a man who

617
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: dreamed he was a catfish or was he a catfish

618
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 3: dreaming he was a man.

619
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: A true tale of metamorphosis of mythic proportions.

620
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely so the movie starts, of course, the version we

621
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: watched has that great intro from Don Barton again with

622
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: the Bill Moyer's energy for me. But then it gets

623
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: right into the film with stock footage. I doubt this

624
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: was shot for the film. It looks like something from

625
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: a nature documentary where it's showing off sargassum seaweed as

626
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: we have just discussed on the core episode from yesterday,

627
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: and a real nice prickly looking fish, and we get

628
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: voiceover that at first I thought was a poem. It

629
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: really sounded like he was reciting a poem because he says,

630
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: sargassum the weed of deceit, sargassum fish, mighty hunter of

631
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: the deep. Okay, so that's almost like a close and

632
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: near rhyme there, so you think he's developing a poem.

633
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: But then the stuff he starts saying after that doesn't

634
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: really fit. He starts saying, what an inspiration you have

635
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: been in my plot, your life of hiding, waiting, stalking

636
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: your prey at just the right moment attack, I love you?

637
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: What are you?

638
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: The poetry police, Joe, you're saying this isn't poetry.

639
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I mean what I was trying

640
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: to figure out was whether the movie thought it was

641
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: a poem or right, I was just talking. I mean, yeah, anything,

642
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 3: anything's a poem.

643
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: If you say it is, it is.

644
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: It is such a startling start to this picture, because

645
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: again it's clearly stock footage, and the voiceover is just amazing.

646
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: And I do love the idea of somebody on early

647
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies forty second Street in New York City walking

648
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: into this picture, you know, thinking they're getting some sort

649
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: of a sleazy monster movie, and they're hit with documentary

650
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: footage right off.

651
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: The bat, and just the guy who sounds kind of

652
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: like Vincent Price telling this fish that he loves it.

653
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I love you, and then he goes on to

654
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: admire various other species for minutes at a time. You know,

655
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: the shark, I admire you. Soon I'll swim with you.

656
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: They'll be afraid.

657
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. And the scorpion fish an objectively ugly,

658
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 3: beautiful fish, like a fish that is beautiful in how

659
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: ugly it is. And he's like, you are gorgeous. They

660
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: think I'm insane, they're the ones who are insane.

661
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty tremendous.

662
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: Another thing that's cool, though, is that actually the stock

663
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: footage they select, I don't know what it's originally from,

664
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: but whatever nature documentary it is, they got some cool

665
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: footage because monster Science moment. Here, they catch a sargassum

666
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: fish eating another fish whole, like just spreading its mouth

667
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: wide and clamping down over this fish's body, and the

668
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: fish that it eats is almost as big as the

669
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: sargassm fish itself.

670
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: This reminds me that in the actual science episode we

671
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: recorded yesterday about this organism, I neglected to mention that apparently,

672
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: sometimes when it eats another fish, since you can actually

673
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: see the prey inside of it through its am I

674
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: translucent skin.

675
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, I've seen that.

676
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's so wonderful.

677
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: I love it. I don't want to be it like

678
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: doctor Leopold here, but I do like it a lot.

679
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 3: Oh. I don't know if we mentioned that's how he

680
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: follows up. So he's looking at the sargasm fish and

681
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: he's saying I love you, but then he says, I

682
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: hope I'll be a good imitator.

683
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: Yes, Basically he begins to lay this out through you know,

684
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: ultimately like twenty minutes of narration, that he is going

685
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: to draw inspiration perhaps behavioral, but also genetic inspiration from

686
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: these organisms as part of his master plan.

687
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: I think you already mentioned this, but we should stress

688
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 3: it's like twenty three minutes into this movie before you

689
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: see a human being who is not a mad scientist.

690
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: Right up until up until then, it is exclusively doctor

691
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: Leopold looking like Harry Dean Stanton, shuffling around on the

692
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: beach and through the ruins of a marine and like

693
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: stock footage of animals from the sea, and then a

694
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: monster just sort of rambling around.

695
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

696
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: Most films, you know, they'd probably start off with like

697
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: a teenage couple meeting they're relatable, and then they're killed

698
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: by a monster or something like that. Not this film. No,

699
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: it's just it's doctor Leopold and stock footage of fish

700
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: from the get go.

701
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: We do get a teenage couple fooling around. Later in

702
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: the movie, when the monster is on a rampage, there's

703
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: this this young couple that are like on a porch

704
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: swing and they're making out and the guy's like, I

705
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: don't believe in monsters. And then, of course it's a good.

706
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: Hour and a half into the picture you get what

707
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: is probably an opening segment in most films.

708
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, how to describe that there is a

709
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: powerful emotional resonance to the opening of this film when

710
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: you first see doctor Leopold wandering around. I mean, I

711
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 3: guess we've already tried to describe it nine different ways.

712
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's Harry Dean stanton Ish, it's it's shabby,

713
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: it's drab, it's it's lonely. He is failing, and he

714
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: is going to do science to fix it. Oh and

715
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: of course we should mention that while we see him

716
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 3: wandering on the beach, this is when the World War

717
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: two Boy song is playing. And one of the lines

718
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: in the song that is just a kiss on the

719
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: top of the head from the Sun God. It's the

720
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: part where he says Sachet, sachet through the sargasm.

721
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I could go on and on about just how

722
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: wonderful that song is, because the lyrics at once, the

723
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: lyrics sound like lyrics that were composed after half watching

724
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: part of the film, you know, just sort of like

725
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: trying to loosely figure out what the plot is like

726
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: it refers to your your calendar research, which seems like

727
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: a strange description of what appears to be going on

728
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: in the in the motion picture. But also it ultimately,

729
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: like I don't know, it ends up giving Leopold more

730
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: depth because he's talking about you know, you know about

731
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: you know, how he's wanting to change himself outside you

732
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: change yourself to be inside what you already see you know,

733
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: which I guess is kind of.

734
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: Like you know, which is a catfish.

735
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's already a giant catfish.

736
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

737
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: It ends up working for some weird reason. It just

738
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: works very well.

739
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 3: The true catfish was inside you all along.

740
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh no.

741
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: So I've got a question about how a filming location

742
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 3: here matches up with reality. I don't know if you

743
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: have any insight on this, but I'm wondering. So, after

744
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: we see Harry Dean Stanton here wandering through this desolate

745
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: beach landscape while the World War two boy plays, he

746
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: wanders into a place that looks to me like the

747
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: ruins of an off brand sea world, like if a

748
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: marine world type attraction was abandoned for years and just

749
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: you know, things collected all over it. As the seasons

750
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: came and went, that's what we'd be seeing that he

751
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: walks through. I know that part of this movie was

752
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 3: filmed at Marine Land of Florida, but from what I

753
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: can tell, I think it was actually in operation at

754
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: this time, not like an abandoned ruin. So I'm not

755
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: sure exactly what we're seeing.

756
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's a scene where he's walking around or

757
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: through what looks like what's previously a tank of some

758
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: sort and now it's just empty and as leaves and

759
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: clutter in it. I guess my thinking is twofold on this.

760
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: First of all, just because Marine World was up and

761
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: running didn't mean there were parts of it that maybe

762
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: had fallen into disuse or weren't being used, you know,

763
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: the outskirts of the facility, that sort of thing. Like

764
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: I think if you go to any play, you go

765
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: to your local zoo or botanical garden, there's going to

766
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: be a part of the property where you could probably

767
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: film a scene for a monster movie, you know. Yeah,

768
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: on the other hand.

769
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 3: It could just be off season. I mean, maybe it

770
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: looks that bad just as the winter.

771
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing, Like we have to remember

772
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: that Florida is Florida, and it is a jungle, so

773
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about just like a few months

774
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: without anybody paying attention to the maintenance of a place,

775
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: and it'll look like absolute ruin, you know, which I

776
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: think is one of the appeals of certain Florida movies

777
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: as well, the Florida Ruins.

778
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so I'm gonna guess that this is actually

779
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: part of Marine Land, Florida, which is a place that

780
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 3: is operated off and on and I think was also

781
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: a filming location for Revenge of the Creature, a very strange,

782
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: a very strange Florida movie. Indeed.

783
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably the best Creature from the Black Lagoon movie,

784
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: if one can say such a thing about Creature from

785
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: the Black Lagoon.

786
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: It's the sequel to Creature from the Black Lagoon, and

787
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 3: I think it's the one where the creators have realized that, like, oh,

788
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: in the original Creature, the humans were definitely the bad guys, right, Like,

789
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: the creature didn't do anything, it was just living in

790
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: its own place, and then humans showed up and they

791
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: were like, let's shoot at it. And we're supposed to

792
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: think that the humans are good for just going to

793
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: a place where a monster lives and killing it.

794
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

795
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Creature was the character that we

796
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: we all relate to and associate with, and I think

797
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: a certain similar thing is going on in this film

798
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: as well. I mean the creature from the Black Lagoon,

799
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: or that they are both literally fish out of water.

800
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: You know, they're they're they're they're they're literally outsiders, and

801
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 2: you know that's that's the sort of thing you often

802
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: relate to in a film like this.

803
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: Though, I will say I will make a strong distinction,

804
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: which is that I fully side with the creature because

805
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: he's just hanging out in his place and they come

806
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: there and start attacking him. Right, that is the aggressor

807
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: that that is trying to work out scores in a

808
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: way that is not productive. He could have, like, if

809
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: he was mad at his former coworkers, coworkers, he could

810
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: have written them a letter saying like, here's what I

811
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: think are our unresolved issues. Instead, he's like, no, I'll

812
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 3: turn myself into a catfish critter and and come to

813
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: your house and kill you.

814
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 5: Right.

815
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: He's very clear on this. It's not just I want

816
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: to restore ecological balance, No, No, he wants to basically

817
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: all but wipe out the human race, hunt the remaining

818
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: humans for sport, and to proclaim himself ruler of not

819
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: merely the Earth, but the universe. So he has some

820
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: grandiose plans here.

821
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: Doctor Leopold, you are asking for more than as your do. Yes,

822
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: But of course, so we see doctor Leopold still in

823
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: human form at the beginning. He goes back to his lab,

824
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: which I think are probably some some places at Marine

825
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: Land of Florida. I'm not sure, but there are places

826
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: with like hooses attached to the ceiling and stuff like

827
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: that kind of equipment that you would imagine might be

828
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 3: in an actual marine biology lab or I don't know,

829
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: an animal marine veterinary clinic or something.

830
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think they cobble together a lot of

831
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: stuff too, like there's a black light, some black light

832
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: stuff back not black light darkroom equipment in the back,

833
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: and went at one point, you know, so clearly you know,

834
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: they took some initial clutter, they filled it up with

835
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: some other technological stuff, but it ends up looking good.

836
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: I felt like it. I feel like this is an

837
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: adequately lonesome and mad scigence.

838
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: And see layer, Yes it is. It is very dingy.

839
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 3: It is very damp. It is very dank. It is

840
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: a it doesn't look like a place you'd want to sleep.

841
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: And of course we get some classic mad scientist dialogue

842
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: while he's fiddling around with his equipment. He he says,

843
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: the formula. They all laughed at my little gym zat

844
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: and we find out that Z is a. It's like

845
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: a formula. It's like Z sub a A sub t.

846
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: I think, yes, yeah, I believe so.

847
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's like a. It's a. It's a mathematical

848
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: or chemical formula of some kind. But he tells the

849
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: through the voiceover. He says, it's very powerful. They'll have

850
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: fish the size they've never seen before, walking fish who

851
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: like human flesh.

852
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: Okay.

853
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: So he wanders around the labs a lot. He stops

854
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: to tickle an octopus, which I liked. He just reaches

855
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: into the tank and kind of like touches it a

856
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: little bit, and then he starts doing voiceover about this

857
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: one species of catfish, the walking catfish, which according to

858
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: this is another one of those claims that was listed

859
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: on IMDb unsourced. But according to the claims of the Kivott,

860
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: one of the writers, he got the idea for this

861
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: movie by reading an article about this species of catfish,

862
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 3: the so called walking catfish, or Clarius betracus. But anyway,

863
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: this voiceover about the catfish, I wondered if this was

864
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: actually written for the film, because it sounds like he

865
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: is reading from an encyclopedia or a field guide entry,

866
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: and I was wondering if somebody could find the text.

867
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: But I was googling sections of what he says in quotes,

868
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: and I came up with nothing. But I wonder maybe

869
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: I'm just not looking for it quite the right way.

870
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: But then he goes on, I rant about how there's

871
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: a problem with the walking catfish, which is that it

872
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 3: is too small, and he tells it that you are

873
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: not ready to battle humans. But then he says, soon

874
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: the whole world will know and respect us. And so

875
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm a little confused about his plan because he's he's

876
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 3: going on about how all the humans will be killed,

877
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: but then he also says that they will finally respect him.

878
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 3: So I don't know, Maybe it's that they'll respect him

879
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: before they are killed.

880
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess at the very least. But also, you know,

881
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: he does allude to the fact later on that some

882
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: humans will be alive, possibly so maybe those are the

883
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: ones who will respect him.

884
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: All right, Well, no more screwing around. It's just time

885
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: to inject myself with the giant needle. And that's what

886
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: he does. He grabs this needle that is huge. It's

887
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: like a you know, it's like a feather duster sized handle,

888
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: you know, So it looks like it was designed for

889
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: saltwater crocodiles, and it's full of some kind of green

890
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: gatorade looking liquid and he just jams it straight into

891
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: his arm.

892
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: But that's just phase one of the transformation. First is

893
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 2: the injection.

894
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

895
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Next comes the kind of a baptism.

896
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

897
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: He's got to get into a tank. So he gets undressed.

898
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 3: He's wearing these huge blue box or shorts with his

899
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: butt kind of hanging out and that's funny. And then

900
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: there's this pool of water, and I think there is

901
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 3: some blood mixed in with the water. And then there

902
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: are these Geiger counter sound effects in the background. So

903
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: I think, suppose something is supposed to be radioactive this

904
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: pool of water may be it could be that it's

905
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: supposed to be heavy water. Because later on some characters

906
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: talk about how his laboratory, doctor Leopold's laboratory used to

907
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: do heavy water experiments.

908
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: Ties right into previous episodes of Stuff to Bout Your Mind.

909
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as we discussed in that episode, as

910
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 3: soon as you get into a pool of heavy water,

911
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: you turn into a catfish creature. So the science checks out.

912
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: But then he gets himself into this kind of winch

913
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: gurny thing. I don't know how best to explain this.

914
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: It's like it looks like a device that would be

915
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: used for airlifting comatose dolphins.

916
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's fittingly awkward and ritualistic. It's an unsettling

917
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: scene because he doesn't just climb in. Yeah, he lowers

918
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: himself into.

919
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: It this thing.

920
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he gets in the gurney, he lowers himself

921
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: into the water with a rope, and then we get

922
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 3: electronic beeps and Geiger counter clicks and then finally he

923
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 3: emerges and he is the creature, and then we will

924
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: never want We will never again the rest of the movie.

925
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: See the actor who plays Leopold, he's just gone.

926
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: That's right. All we have is this this fabulous monster.

927
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: So it's not like a ware catfish movie where he's

928
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: changing back and forth. He's just he's just this creature permanently.

929
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think this is one of the things

930
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: I always that always capture my imagination imagination about the

931
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: film is that instantly we look at this and we're like, oh, sweetie,

932
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: you have you have really done it?

933
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 4: Now?

934
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 2: This is this is not good. But he has different

935
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: thoughts about it.

936
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So as soon as he gets out of

937
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: the water, he looks at himself in a mirror and

938
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: he you think for a second he's upset, but but no,

939
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 3: he turns it around. He says nothing at all like

940
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: a catfish, but it's utiful. And what is he talking about? Well,

941
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 3: I would say that he looks like a cross between

942
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: Greedo and Alf, except he's got a sort of like

943
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 3: dirtier texture than either one of them. So it's like

944
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: if you cross Greedo and Alf, but then have that

945
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: creature fall into a puddle of mud and dead leaves

946
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: that get stuck to him. And then he's also got

947
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: green fur around certain parts of his upper body. I

948
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 3: think it's the parts where the sort of shirt part

949
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 3: of his suit comes together, because it's similar to the

950
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: white fluffy parts of a Sanda suit.

951
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks a little bit like the Grinch at times,

952
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: you know, and he has kind of like Grinch physique.

953
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: Yes, he does. That's a very good comparison. I didn't

954
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: think of that. Some parts of his body have a

955
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: kind of peter pan garment shingled leaf texture, or maybe

956
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: the Green Giant has some clothes that look like this,

957
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: the shins in particular. But also he has a snout

958
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: that ends in a leech mouth. Well, it's kind of

959
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: like a leech mouth. It's like a red circle with

960
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: teeth in the middle, but they're not those circular leech

961
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: like teeth. They're more just kind of like a dog's

962
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: teeth with canines.

963
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: It is not even remotely articulated though.

964
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 3: Like no no, no, painted on teeth basically, and according

965
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: to the writer Ron Kivett, this is another one of

966
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: those IMDb trivias. The monster has this mouth that looks

967
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: kind of like a leech's mouth because in an earlier

968
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: version of the script, he was supposed to suck blood

969
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: out of his victim, so he was going to be

970
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 3: a vampire catfish monster. But I think they scrapped the

971
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: sucking blood, but the costume was already made, I suppose. Okay,

972
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: so he's transformed and then we get to a part

973
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 3: that a legitimate laugh out loud part of the movie,

974
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: which is when he goes to his big to do

975
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: list on the wall. He's got this wall, it's like

976
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: this giant disc shaped wall calendar that he's got his

977
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 3: upcoming tasks written on. And we see him go up

978
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: to the cell on this calendar labeled self transformation and

979
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: he crosses it off, like oh, there's one thing off

980
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 3: my to do list. And then the next item on

981
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: the list is another instance of the word transformation, but

982
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: it is next to a drawing of the outline of

983
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: the state of Florida, and this drawing is labeled fla period,

984
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 3: which is the correct AP styling of abbreviation of Florida.

985
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 3: Which makes me think we may have a journalist decorating

986
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: this set, because I don't know if you remember, I

987
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: mean that we used to have to know AP style

988
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: when we were writing for How Stuff Works.

989
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I still, I mean it's hard to shake.

990
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody just uses the postal abbreviations now, or maybe

991
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: they didn't have the postal abbreviations in nineteen seventy one.

992
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: I don't actually know.

993
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: We at any rate, this is the calendar research that

994
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: Jamie defraits was referring to. Yes, And I don't know, Joe.

995
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: I think this is just how you had to do

996
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: things before modern project management software, right, have to keep track.

997
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 4: You just had to have a.

998
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: Giant circular calendar chart on the wall taking up enormous

999
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: real estate in your mad science layer.

1000
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you had to.

1001
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: Draw pictures of the state that you're going to transform.

1002
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: So he draws Florida transformation. I guess of Florida. Another

1003
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: hilarious thing about this is that next to the drawing

1004
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: of Florida, there's a label of the ocean, and it's

1005
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: just labeled Atlantic Ocean. But like, who was going to

1006
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: be confused? Wasn't he just making this for himself?

1007
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: Well maybe he wasn't sure. You know, after the transformation,

1008
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, his brain might be a little foggy.

1009
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 3: He needs lots of visual that's a good point. Yeah,

1010
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 3: Like he couldn't predict his future mental state, so he's like,

1011
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: maybe I will be confused and I will need to

1012
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: relearn geography.

1013
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 2: At any rate. It looks, it looks weird, and I

1014
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: like it. I actually made a Christmas tree ornament based

1015
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: on it. At one point.

1016
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: Oh, that's good. So the Leopold catfish monster goes out

1017
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 3: on the town. He goes out equipped with a spray

1018
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 3: bottle and just starts spraying nature, I think with the

1019
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: ZAT formula. So the sprays snakes and frogs, and he

1020
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: sprays reads. At the water's edge. He goes swimming and

1021
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: then uses the spray bottle underwater to spray an octopus

1022
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: and a crab. You see him literally with the spray

1023
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 3: bottle like under the water, squeezing it.

1024
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: And now, yeah, so we have some underwater photography going

1025
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: on in this sequence and then in some sequences to come.

1026
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you noticed, Joe, but we

1027
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: have some very clear underwater sequences here, and I believe

1028
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: that's because they were filming in the various springs of Florida,

1029
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: which even today they're not as clear as they used

1030
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 2: to be due to environmental reasons and runoff and so forth,

1031
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: which is depressing, but even now, very clear waters and

1032
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 2: back in seventy one, yeah, perfect place to shoot your

1033
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: monster movie, even if you were doing so on a budget.

1034
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, I should have noted that they really

1035
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: did not look like the cloudy, stagnant pond water I

1036
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 3: would imagine in most of North Florida.

1037
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1038
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we are twenty three minutes into the film

1039
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 2: before we finally introduced non leopold humans and actual dialogue

1040
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: one keric human character talking to another human character.

1041
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: Unbelievable. So here we.

1042
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: Introduce the sheriff and Rex, the marine biologist. And if

1043
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: it's not clear at this point, it becomes clear that

1044
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: they were sort of going for in the heat of

1045
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: the night thing here. This is based on a novel.

1046
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty seven movie directed by Norman Jewison. I saw

1047
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: a small town southern sheriff played by Rod Steiger teaming

1048
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: up with an African American homicide detective from up north

1049
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: played by Sidney Poitier. And yeah, that is nowhere near

1050
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: in the Heat of the Night in terms of serious

1051
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 2: drama and cultural commentary. But it seems to be like

1052
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: that's what they were going for here. They were thinking, Hey,

1053
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 2: what if it was like in the Heat of the night,

1054
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,959
Speaker 2: except there was also a giant catfish.

1055
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is something we've seen in a number of

1056
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: these other ecological monster movies from the seventies. They also

1057
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: seem to try to inject some social commentary in there.

1058
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: It's often kind of light and not super deep. But yeah,

1059
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: I think that is probably what they're attempting. Is Rex

1060
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: the marine biologist also supposed to be from out of town.

1061
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't recall if that was the case, but.

1062
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: I don't remember if it's expressly stated, but it feels

1063
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: implied that he's not from around here.

1064
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there's a general suggestion that

1065
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 3: there's this rigid, parochial, local white conservative infrastructure that does

1066
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 3: not process the introduction of knowledge about pollution causing monster attacks,

1067
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: being it does not incorporate that information well, and it

1068
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: sort of requires the expertise of somebody who provides a

1069
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: different perspective. And so it's got in this case, an

1070
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 3: African American scientist who may or may not be from

1071
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 3: out of town, but at least has reacted to that way.

1072
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 3: And of course, as we said earlier, the redneck sheriff

1073
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: and this is literally chewing on a hay stalk when

1074
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: we first meet him, and generally seems to be derisive

1075
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: of the concept of science and expertise.

1076
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he's kind of a Floridian wigum from the Simpsons.

1077
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. In fact, the sheriff there are a lot

1078
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: of people in this movie that the sheriff shows he

1079
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 3: does not respect, and that includes hippies, the press. At

1080
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: one point we have a reporter who's trying to cover

1081
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: the issue, but the Sheriff's just like somebody ought to

1082
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: smash you flat. And then of course he's not fond

1083
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 3: of out of towners scientists. I think he represents southern

1084
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: cultural rigidity.

1085
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: But that's enough human stuff. Then we come back to

1086
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: Leopold once more.

1087
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: That's right, Leopold. He comes back to the lab after

1088
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: he's been out there spraying stuff, and he goes up

1089
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: to another thing on his big wall calendar and he says,

1090
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: mats in your days are numbered again. I think this

1091
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: is voiceover, and we have no idea who Matson is.

1092
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: But I think the point is he's got a grudge

1093
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 3: against some scientists who he worked with who told him

1094
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: that his theories were too extreme. I think this other

1095
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: scientist told him he was taking it too personal and

1096
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 3: he didn't like that. So he's going to get his revenge.

1097
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where you begin to I mean,

1098
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: it's already been an awkward transformation. We've watched him move

1099
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: around za the month. I mean its name's not Zat

1100
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: sometimes I think of him as that, though again Za

1101
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: refers to the chemical, not the monster. The monsters just Leopold, Yeah,

1102
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: the giant fish. But he moves around so awkwardly, certainly

1103
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: on land. It's really hard for me to buy that

1104
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: this is better than your human form. And in the water, Okay,

1105
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: I guess he's marginally better in the water than a

1106
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: human would be, but it's already I mean to going

1107
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: kind of rocky. And then he's like, you know what,

1108
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 2: I also, revenge is part of my plan. And then

1109
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 2: it's like, so he's not only going to attempt to

1110
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: unbalance the ecosystem and bring upon a new age of fish,

1111
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: he also has some petty revenge agendas in there. He

1112
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: also needs to commit murder crimes.

1113
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh, he's got several. He gets sidetracked on a lot

1114
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 3: of stuff. So, yeah, he's got revenge murders. And then

1115
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: at some at some point later on, I think he

1116
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 3: becomes lonely and he wants he wants a fish wife.

1117
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes the classic of Frankenstein's monster route, and yeah,

1118
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: he wants a companion. And so that's addition, you know,

1119
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 2: it's just the budget on this plan is just getting

1120
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 2: blown out of proportion, right.

1121
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: He decides he needs to at the last minute add

1122
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: in a bride of catfish action item, and that that's

1123
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 3: how things really go off the rails. But so at

1124
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: first we just see him creeping around on various people.

1125
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 3: He creeps on Rex, the marine biologist, while Rex is

1126
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 3: out taking samples of nature. He creeps on a woman

1127
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: who's painting beside the lake. He creeps on a family

1128
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 3: while they're fishing, and then he ambushes them, sort of

1129
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 3: flips over their boat, and I think kills the dude.

1130
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: And I think the dude who was fishing was one

1131
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 3: of the scientists who doubted him.

1132
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that seems to be the case. One of

1133
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: the problems is that we get less and less narration

1134
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: from Leopold as we go, Yes, And I don't know

1135
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: if that's by design, like he's becoming less and less

1136
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 2: human so there's less of that voice in there, or

1137
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: if they just ran out of time. I don't know,

1138
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: But we're increasingly on our own to figure out what

1139
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: he's doing and why he's doing and even if he's

1140
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: doing something successful.

1141
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so at some point Leopold attacks another one

1142
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: of the scientists who doubted him. But he attacks him

1143
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: in his house, not in the water. And I was

1144
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 3: just noticing at this point, like, wait, a minute, does

1145
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 3: Leopold even really have any catfish powers? I mean, I

1146
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 3: guess you were sort of alluding to that a minute ago,

1147
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 3: but like, this murder could have just been done by

1148
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 3: a big human. He just attacks a guy in his

1149
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 3: house and chokes him.

1150
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, the only possible answer I can think

1151
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: of there is that human Leopold does look kind of

1152
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: shambly and puny. I'm not sure if he could have

1153
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 2: pulled this off, So I guess arguably monster form is better, okay.

1154
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 3: But also at some point here evidence starts mounting that

1155
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 3: something weird is going on with pollution in the water,

1156
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: and the Leopold attacks, and Rex is on the case.

1157
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: Rex starts putting the pieces together. One point, he's out

1158
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 3: collecting data with a net and Leopold is swimming in

1159
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: the water underneath his boat, and he tears up the net,

1160
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: and Leopold's like, nets are harmful to fish, We will

1161
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: use them for humans if any survive.

1162
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, let's not get ahead of ourselves, Leopold.

1163
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Rex ends up summoning these people we talked

1164
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 3: about before, the INPIT agents. In PIT I think is

1165
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 3: an acronym. I don't know what it stands for. I

1166
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: tried to look it up, and there is something called INPIT,

1167
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 3: but I don't think it is what is being referenced here,

1168
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: So I really don't know what it is. What would

1169
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: you say, is the deal.

1170
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 2: With them international Nature Police Information Technologies?

1171
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.

1172
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: I guess they're kind of like they feel like they've

1173
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: arrived from a TV show, Like there's a TV show

1174
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: where they investigate strange nature happenings. They have their own van,

1175
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: they have jumpsuits.

1176
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 3: By god, it's like the A team is here.

1177
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the professionals. They're here to get stuff done.

1178
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: But it does feel like they're coming from an entirely

1179
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: different television show. And indeed they may feel like this

1180
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: if you're watching it unriffed for the first time, because

1181
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: a lot of the end pit stuff was cut from

1182
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 2: the Blood Waters of Doctor Z edition on MST three.

1183
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 3: Kh Okay. Now, yeah, they arrive in this big camper

1184
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: like RV basically, and they are dressed in these red

1185
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 3: uniform jumpsuits, so they look kind of like they stepped

1186
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: out of Flash Gordon or something. Yeah, and they compare

1187
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 3: notes with Rex and they talk about all the pollution

1188
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 3: he's found and how this might be affecting the mutant

1189
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 3: marine life attacks, and so they start putting the pieces

1190
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: together along with Rex. Now we mentioned that unfortunately Leopold

1191
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 3: gets distracted from his transform everybody into fish. Well, I

1192
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 3: don't know if that's what he's ultimately, whatever it is

1193
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 3: he's doing, he gets distracted by deciding that he must

1194
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: make a bride of catfish. So he goes back to

1195
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: the lady who's painting by the lake, who's still there

1196
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: it seems like maybe days later, and he kidnaps her

1197
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 3: and takes her back to the lab to turn her

1198
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: into bride of catfish. And it doesn't work.

1199
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a lonesome and disastrous episode in the

1200
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: Ascent of Doctor Leopold here where yeah, she dies half

1201
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: transform still in the baptism cage thing. And then afterwards

1202
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: he has to get rid of her body. And this

1203
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 2: is another this is another sequence that was cut from

1204
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 2: the MST version. What does he do to get rid

1205
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: of her body? Does he feater to fishes or anything

1206
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: like that?

1207
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 4: Nope.

1208
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: He dissolves her in a big old vat of Hollywood.

1209
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 3: Acid, our old friend.

1210
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great sequence. All while we have some

1211
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: like weird you know, the weird Tamil electronic music going

1212
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: on in the background.

1213
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: And we see him test the acid on a fish.

1214
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 3: He dips the fish in the acid and it eats

1215
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 3: away half of it.

1216
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: This film is not concerned with wasting anybody's time. We're

1217
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: gonna do some an acid scene and we're going to

1218
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: spend about fifteen minutes doing it.

1219
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: We've got to make sure that our catfish monster is

1220
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 3: doing quality assurance on his acid. Yeah. So we see

1221
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: Rex in the inpit agents set up traps for the monster.

1222
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 3: I guess at this point they suspect there's a giant

1223
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 3: catfish monster somehow, and they set up traps and then

1224
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 3: they chill in a camper. And this part also reminded

1225
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: me of Boggy Creek too. And the legend continues where

1226
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: they will set up traps in the woods and then

1227
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 3: chill in an RV. But eventually the catfish monster attacks

1228
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: them and they somehow scare it away I think with

1229
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 3: a camera flash, and they end up getting photos of

1230
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 3: it and.

1231
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: It's a really good photo. If this is another place,

1232
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: where is that? I mean, doctor Leopold is just really

1233
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: messing up, like, oh my goodness, now you're you've come

1234
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: been completely photographed and it's crystal clear.

1235
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1236
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So they get perfectly good photos of him. And

1237
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,959
Speaker 3: there's one part somewhere in here where Leopold is I think,

1238
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 3: sad and defeated. And he goes back to his lab

1239
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: and you see that he is sad. I think about

1240
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,919
Speaker 3: the fact that he failed to successfully turn the woman

1241
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: he kidnapped into into bride of Catfish, and so he

1242
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 3: starts drawing her. But the picture he draws of her

1243
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: does not look like the woman that he kidnapped. It

1244
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: looks like Elvira. Maybe he was supposed to be drawing

1245
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 3: somebody else, and did he have like a long lost love?

1246
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 3: Is that implied in the movie.

1247
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: I don't think that's even implied, Okay, but you know,

1248
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: we're left to figure out a lot of this on

1249
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 2: our own, So maybe it is. Or maybe he just

1250
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: was like, this is my this was my one shot

1251
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: at romantic happiness, and the kidnapping and forced transformation did

1252
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: not work, So I've got to do this alone.

1253
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: Maybe it was Elvira, or I guess at this time,

1254
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 3: maybe it was Vampira. He was like, oh, Vampira, Yes

1255
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: she could have she could have been my companion in

1256
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: the fish world.

1257
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: But alas, at any rate, the main experiment continues.

1258
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 3: Right, so Rex and the inpit agents they end up

1259
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: making the connection to Leopold. One of the inpit agents,

1260
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: I guess agent Walls. She figures out that Leopold was

1261
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: working on a lab that was conducting secret experiments with

1262
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: heavy water, and he is attacking his former co workers

1263
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 3: from the lab he worked at, and so they asked

1264
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 3: the sheriff to check on those researchers. And then then

1265
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 3: so I guess they're doing that. But then we spend

1266
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: a long time with the monster going out for a walk,

1267
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 3: just wandering around the streets at night. His posture as

1268
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 3: he walks, You've mentioned that his posture is awkward, and

1269
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: it's amusing in a way that it's difficult to describe.

1270
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: He's kind of like a drunk guy trying to walk

1271
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 3: through the sand and flip flops, you know, or it's

1272
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: like hard to get solid footing and you got things

1273
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 3: coming off your feet. So it's that kind of walk

1274
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 3: But another thing about this movie is that it does

1275
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 3: not follow the Jaws rule, you know, the rule that

1276
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 3: you should not show too much of your monster until

1277
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 3: the final act. This movie, the monster is on screen

1278
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: constantly full view, bright lights. You see the whole thing

1279
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 3: for minutes at a time. It's just alf Grido front

1280
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: and center, wandering through the empty streets at night. You

1281
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 3: see him break into a drug store to get some

1282
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 3: kind of medicine. He smashes a bunch of stuff, I think.

1283
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: Because yeah, that's because he's yeah, well he's He becomes

1284
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: injured at one point. So so not only does the

1285
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: experiment seem to be failing, he becomes perhaps mortally wounded

1286
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: or at least like heavily wounded to where he's having

1287
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: to break into a pharmacy and wreck the play and

1288
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 2: steal some drugs and so like, the whole plan seems

1289
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: to just be going completely off the rails at this point.

1290
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 2: Now one of my favorite scenes, and this one I

1291
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: laughed out loud at this one. This is a scene

1292
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 2: that was cut from the MST treatment of the film,

1293
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: and it's ultimately a lost because it's hilarious. There would

1294
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: have probably been a lot of fun riffing on this one,

1295
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: but it's what I think of as the hippie parade.

1296
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: So the sheriff here, he goes to check on folks

1297
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 2: in town and finds the youth enjoying a little folk

1298
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: music clearly in like some sort of abandoned building, and

1299
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: they're hanging out with none other than the the actual

1300
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 2: real life Jamie Defrates, who is performing a song the

1301
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 2: B side to World War Two boy Running Don't Make

1302
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: You Free. And so anyway, the sheriff, you know, he

1303
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 2: comes under in the midst of this. He sets down

1304
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 2: and he listens for a spell, you know, perhaps proving

1305
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: that he can hang you know, and.

1306
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 3: He's like he's enjoying the music.

1307
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like he's enjoying. It's like, yeah, this

1308
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 2: is good. I can I'm see and I to eye

1309
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 2: with the young folk now.

1310
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 3: But quickly. Another thing that made me laugh in the

1311
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 3: scene is that for just a moment, Leopold arrives and

1312
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 3: is watching through the window the monster and he's also

1313
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: ambiguously kind of grooving, but then he just moves on.

1314
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: It's almost like it was meant to be a music

1315
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 2: video for this song, you know. Yeah, because again these

1316
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: songs are featured in their entirety, nothing is cut. So

1317
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: the sheriff, you know, he enjoys it for a bit,

1318
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: but he's there with a purpose. He has to he

1319
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 2: has to protect these hippies. So the sheriff, uh you know,

1320
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: gets up and leads the hippies all mid song on

1321
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: a police escorted parade through town with with the with

1322
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: Jamie de Frate's playing the guitar the whole time and singing.

1323
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: And then so they have this procession through the small

1324
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: Florida town and then right into the sheriff's office and

1325
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: then right into a jail cell. And it's then explained

1326
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 2: that this is to keep them safe and that the

1327
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 2: hippies seem okay with it, but it's not clear for

1328
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: a moment, and I found it kind of perversely humorous.

1329
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 4: It's like.

1330
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: The old sheriff. You think he's, you know, see an

1331
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 2: eyed eye with the young folk and he's looking after them.

1332
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 2: Now he's just arresting all of them, so.

1333
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 3: They don't seem bothered by it. Like they all just

1334
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 3: go into the jail cell and they're just like cool.

1335
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, yeah, pretty much, and they're locked up and

1336
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 2: you never see them in the film again.

1337
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot of the rest of the movie

1338
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: is just Leopold stalking around looking at things and menacing people,

1339
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 3: and then Rex and the Inpit agents trying to track

1340
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 3: him down. They're on his trail at this point and

1341
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,959
Speaker 3: they're trying to find him, but at one point Leopold.

1342
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 3: A lot of what Leopold does is like look through

1343
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 3: the windows at people and spy on them, And at

1344
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: one point he observes the two in Pit agents kissing.

1345
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 3: He spies on them through a window, and I guess

1346
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 3: he gets jealous, so he decides at this point to

1347
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 3: kidnap Agent Walsh, one of the two in Pit agents,

1348
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,520
Speaker 3: and create another of Catfish Bride of Catfish two point zero.

1349
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 2: Right, So again really veering off schedule here with the

1350
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: whole plan because he's again heavily injured at this point,

1351
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 2: having to self medicate with stolen pharmacy drugs. But then

1352
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm gonna try it again. I'm going to

1353
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: try and transform this woman who is hunting me into

1354
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 2: my bride.

1355
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 3: Yes, So he kidnaps her from her house, takes her

1356
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 3: back to the lab, and then Rex Walker and the cops.

1357
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 3: Walker is the other Inpit agent. They figure out what's

1358
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 3: going on and they're chasing the monster down that they

1359
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 3: split up to chase him and the other in Pit

1360
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: agent Walker uses this hilarious looking amphibious vehicle that looks

1361
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 3: kind of like a power wheel. It's very small.

1362
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 2: It's very cool, I assume from the non existent in

1363
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 2: Pit television series that I'm imagining in my head.

1364
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and coming up as a scene where you see

1365
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: this Inpit agent sort of wading through a swamp and

1366
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 3: he gets bitten by a snake. And this is another

1367
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 3: one of those IMDb trivia claims. It claims is that

1368
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 3: the snake bite was not scripted. It was just something

1369
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 3: The guy actually got bitten by a snake while they

1370
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 3: were filming the scene and they just left it in

1371
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: the movie. Well, I don't know, I feel doubtful, but

1372
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 3: it looks kind of real.

1373
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 2: It looks it looks realistic. But I also really like

1374
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,719
Speaker 2: the way it plays into the ending of the picture.

1375
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, for a bit here we have this kind

1376
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: of double chase where where one agent is trying to

1377
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: chase down the monster and then we have Rex, the

1378
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: marine biologists and the sheriff. They are going to check

1379
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 2: out the laboratory to see what's up, see what old

1380
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: Doc Leopold was up to. And then of course we

1381
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 2: also have Agent Walsh who has been kidnapped.

1382
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 3: Right, so they go to the monster's layer. The sheriff

1383
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 3: fights the monster and loses and is strangled, so bye

1384
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: bye Sheriff. And then Rex he comes across Leopold's notes

1385
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 3: and he, I think, wants to understand them so we

1386
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 3: can understand what was going on here. You wonder if

1387
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 3: it's like that scene in the movie where one scientist

1388
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: discovers what the mad scientist is doing, like the good

1389
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 3: scientist is momentarily tempted. It's the last temptation of the

1390
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 3: good scientist, and it's like, oh, it's genius.

1391
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, But of course that shows up and violence ensues.

1392
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 2: He ultimately tries to save Agent Walsh, and I guess

1393
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: to a certain degree succeeds, because what Zach tries to

1394
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: do is he puts her in the cage as well.

1395
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: He forced he injects her with the green stuff, and

1396
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: then he's going to lower her into the za baptismal

1397
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:39,799
Speaker 2: font but Rex disrupts that and then Rex is injured,

1398
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: possibly killed by the monster, and the monster players off.

1399
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wonder do all the main characters die,

1400
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,599
Speaker 3: because we have this chase at the end where Rex

1401
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: tries to save Walsh. You see him get injured and

1402
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 3: then fall down, but I guess you never see him

1403
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: after that. A similar thing happens to the other Inpit Agent.

1404
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: He sort of it's injured and falls down, and at

1405
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: the end of the movie, I think we see him

1406
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 3: not moving, but it's not clear if he's dead or alive,

1407
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: and you think, well, at least Agent Walsh has been saved.

1408
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 3: She did not get turned into a catfish, but something

1409
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: bad happened to her. I don't know exactly what it is.

1410
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 3: She is not upgraded to fish level, but she is

1411
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 3: sort of turned into a zombie human.

1412
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think she got half the treatment right.

1413
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 2: She's injected with the ZAT, but then she's not actually

1414
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 2: lowered into the ZAT baptismal font to transform her body.

1415
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: And so yeah, the ending of this film I think

1416
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 2: is actually pretty effective. It's haunting and kind of pitch

1417
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: perfect because throughout the whole film, we've watched Leopold stumble

1418
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: awkwardly around his grandiose dreams and voiceover so mismatched with

1419
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: his new body, his actual abilities, his focus, his mixed results,

1420
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: but in the end, against all odds, he achieves his goal.

1421
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: For the most part, he struggles and stumbles into the

1422
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 2: ocean with his zat formula, like two tanks of it. Meanwhile,

1423
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: one of the male agent that was snake that is

1424
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: like shooting at him with a rifle and seems to

1425
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: at least wing him, possibly kill him, but he gets

1426
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 2: that za into the ocean. And then meanwhile, even though

1427
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:22,440
Speaker 2: he's unable to completely transform Agent Walsh into his catfish princess,

1428
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: she does. She wakes in the zombified state. She wanders

1429
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 2: out onto the beach, and the other agent tries to

1430
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 2: call to He's like, oh, thank goodness, you're all right,

1431
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:35,440
Speaker 2: but she just wanders into the water, just like a zombie.

1432
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, we're left to pieces together because then we

1433
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 2: kind of zoom out and some haunting music plays. So

1434
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 2: we just don't know, like, did she enough, Is she

1435
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: transformed enough that she'll survive in the water, or is

1436
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: she about to drown? Did enough Zach get into the

1437
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 2: ocean to bring about this new age of giant fish

1438
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: and bring down humanity? I don't know, but it seems

1439
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: like that might be the case, so it seems like,

1440
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: you know, despite everything, doctor Leopold has won. Yeah.

1441
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: I think the implication is that all the human characters

1442
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 3: die and he succeeds in throwing his formula into the

1443
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 3: ocean to create a race of atomic superfish that will

1444
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 3: conquer the world.

1445
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite an ending. It ends on a really

1446
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: good note where where you kind of forget some of

1447
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: the awkwardness and weirdness and mismatched tonal choices.

1448
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: Now, another one of the many claims about this movie

1449
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 3: online is that apparently the movie was originally supposed to

1450
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 3: end with, or at least include I think this would

1451
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 3: be at the ending, giant fish attacks, like a giant

1452
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 3: catfish that was like rampaging around and destroying the town.

1453
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 3: And apparently they filmed some versions of this, I think

1454
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 3: with miniature models of the town, but then they realized, oh,

1455
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 3: this does not look good, so they cut that part

1456
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 3: out of the movie. But one shot from the sequence

1457
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 3: allegedly made it into the film, Yeah, which is where

1458
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: a catfish, like a little catfish, is squirming next to

1459
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: a fence.

1460
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw this when I did my recent viewing

1461
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: of zat uncut, And yeah, like, suddenly, there's this brief

1462
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: sequence that looks like like poor effects test footage of

1463
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:23,440
Speaker 2: a walking catfish flopping around on a model of some landscape.

1464
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, that seems to match up with what we're

1465
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: seeing here, but there's no context for it. When it

1466
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: actually shows up in the film, you're just going like,

1467
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 2: what what was that?

1468
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: So I guess we mentioned the fact that when Doctor

1469
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 3: Leopold first transforms and looks at himself in a mirror,

1470
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: he says, ah, nothing like a catfish, but it's beautiful.

1471
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 3: And I wonder was it intended that he would look

1472
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 3: nothing like a catfish even though he is half man

1473
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: half catfish, or did they just get whatever costume they

1474
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 3: could get and then they're like, oh, we better add

1475
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: a line and here sort of acknowledging this doesn't look

1476
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 3: like a catfish.

1477
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's how it went down, or maybe that's

1478
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: what they told themselves. You know, they're like, no, this

1479
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: isn't quite what we went for, but it is beautiful.

1480
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 2: Let's devote oodles of screen time to it.

1481
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 3: So weirdly, this is not the only Killer Catfish movie

1482
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 3: that I've ever seen. It's been many years now, so

1483
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 3: I've forgotten a lot of the details about it, but

1484
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that I watched a killer catfish movie

1485
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: about six or seven years ago called Beneath that's about

1486
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 3: people trapped on a boat who are being stalked on

1487
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 3: a lake by a killer catfish, and I recall it

1488
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 3: having a really good, subtle sense of humor. I think

1489
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 3: it might have been a Larry Fessenden movie.

1490
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, I just looked it up and it is.

1491
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 2: Larry Fessenden. Quite a filmmaker. He's made some very interesting

1492
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: genre pictures.

1493
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 3: The main moment of this movie that stuck with me

1494
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 3: is there's one point where I think one of them

1495
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 3: has just been attacked by catfish, and the people remaining

1496
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 3: alive on the boat one of them gets up and

1497
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 3: yells in the direction of the catfish, what do you

1498
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 3: want from us?

1499
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 2: Well, clearly it's muck. They're here for the muck.

1500
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, catfish want Now why would catfish want to eat humans?

1501
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 3: They just sort of like suck up mud? And I

1502
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,679
Speaker 3: don't know it. Should have looked up something about catfish

1503
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 3: feeding behaviors before I open my mouth on that. But

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Speaker 3: it's not a sequel to that, not that I can tell. Okay, no,

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Speaker 3: it's just like it doesn't look anything like the Grito alf.

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01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 3: It is just a gigantic Google eyed catfish.

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Speaker 2: Well, in the end, there's nothing else quite like it.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is quite an impressive film, all the everything, and

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01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 2: it comes together awkwardly but kind of perfectly. You know,

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01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 2: it's like it's the monster itself as film. Now you

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Speaker 2: might be wondering where can I watch that? Well, that

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01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: has been out on DVD and Blu Ray for years,

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Speaker 2: but it sadly looks like it's out of stock everywhere

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Speaker 2: at this moment as we're recording this. Hopefully that'll change

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Speaker 2: in the future. It's also been available i think on

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01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime in the recent past, but it's not there

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Speaker 2: right now. But you can watch the MST version Bloodwaters

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01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: of Doctor Z. You can digitally obtain that most places,

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Speaker 2: including Amazon Prime. For our copy, again, we rented our

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01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: copy from Atlanta's own Video Drome, and if you're in Atlanta,

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01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: you can go there and rent various DVDs and Blu

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 2: rays or buy some cool merch And you can also

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 2: check them out online at videodrome dot tv and you

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: can buy stuff and they'll ship.

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Speaker 4: It to you, which is pretty cool.

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01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 3: They should make Doctor Leopold head motorcycle helmets. So you know,

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Speaker 3: it's the Zat monster, but it goes on for the

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Speaker 3: bike ride. In fact, you could do the whole thing,

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Speaker 3: like the leather jacket is a Zat jacket.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you know, speaking of that, because that sounds

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01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 2: like exactly the kind of thing that our Land would

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Speaker 2: potentially do. If you're listening to this and you don't

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: know the art of our Land, you can go to

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: our Land art dot com and you can check out

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01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that he creates. All right, So

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Speaker 2: there you have it. That's episode two and what may

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01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: be a Florida movie trilogy. We'll see. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if we'll be back next week with another Florida movie

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01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: or the week after that. It kind of depends on

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01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: Joe's tolerance for all the Florida nests of these motion pictures.

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01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I'm generally game.

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01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see, you know, sometimes it's nice to

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01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 2: have a palette cleanser sometimes between films. So I don't know,

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01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll figure it out in the meantime. If

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Speaker 2: you'd like to check out other episodes of Weird House, Cinema.

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Speaker 3: Huge thanks as always to our wonderful audio producer Seth

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Johnson. If you would like to get in touch

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1563
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