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Speaker 1: Welcome to gear Talk Podcasts on the Hospitals with me

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Speaker 1: as always, Jordan's budd is here. This week we've got

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Speaker 1: Clay Croft coming in to chat with us. Clay is

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Speaker 1: from x Overland. X Overland is a company that's doing

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Speaker 1: content around overlanding. If that doesn't mean anything to you, overlanding,

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Speaker 1: just look this up on Wikipedia. As they defined it

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Speaker 1: is also known as four wheel dot four wheel drive touring,

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Speaker 1: self reliant overland travel to remote destinations where the journey

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Speaker 1: is the principal goal. I think that's a pretty good definition. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it's car camping in badass rigs that are built out

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Speaker 1: to like go through across over crazier stuff, probably than

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Speaker 1: I do on regular basis, but like they're pushing the

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Speaker 1: limits where they're going. You can obviously go check out there.

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Speaker 1: They've got a great YouTube channel with all kinds of

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Speaker 1: cool places they've been. They've done this all over the world.

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Speaker 1: They've gained a lot of experience about, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: with just like going through crazy stuff. So we figured

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Speaker 1: it'd be very advantageous for us as hunters and anglers

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Speaker 1: who often get you know, drive down roads that you

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Speaker 1: know aren't quite perfect and you can get yourself in

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Speaker 1: situations and Claike is going to walk us through how

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Speaker 1: to base how to get unstuck. He calls it vehicle immobilization.

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Speaker 1: There's two kinds. We've got basically getting stuck where you

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Speaker 1: can't use your wheels anymore, and then you've got mechanical

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Speaker 1: immobilization where or no, do you call it elect mechanical

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Speaker 1: mechanical and electrical or was it one or the other

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Speaker 1: breaking down? Breaking mechanical okay? And then with within that

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Speaker 1: you could have electrical breakdown where you could have you know,

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Speaker 1: and engine quits work and uh or you know, battery

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Speaker 1: goes out, whatever it might be. So anyways, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk to him about uh, basically about getting rigs

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Speaker 1: unstuck and what you might need to have with you

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Speaker 1: so that you can feel confident getting getting into you know,

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Speaker 1: crazier locations to go find a big bull elk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we we talked about my latest vehicle immobilization a

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Speaker 2: while back in a different episode. I got stuck and

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Speaker 2: I pulled myself out with the wind.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You have to ask him if that's what

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Speaker 1: he would have done too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to hear about those recovery boards. He's

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Speaker 2: going to talk about some recovery boards. Have not used those,

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Speaker 2: but heard a few people that have, So yeah, it'll

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Speaker 2: be a super interesting episode.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to talk to them all right before.

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Speaker 1: We get Clay in here, though, what have you been

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Speaker 1: up to, Jordan?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: This last weekend, as we recorded, it was a Memorial

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Speaker 2: Day weekend, we went out and did a little bit

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Speaker 2: of bear scouting. We've just seemed to have a there's

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Speaker 2: just a ton of snow up in the mountains.

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Speaker 3: Still.

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Speaker 2: There was one road that usually is open at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of May and it just now opened about four

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Speaker 2: days ago, so trying to get in there. That's where

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do some bear hunts. So we ripped around

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Speaker 2: on the side by sides a little bit and went

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Speaker 2: up some roads that were all had trees knocked over

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Speaker 2: trying to logistically get figured out where we can even

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Speaker 2: get to this next week on this hunt. And then

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Speaker 2: other than that been spring gosh, spring organizing and trying

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Speaker 2: to break all the gear out and figure out what

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Speaker 2: needs tent steaks and what needs new guidelines tied on

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Speaker 2: to it and you name it, doing some fixing stuff.

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Speaker 2: Got the side by sides in getting all the clutch

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Speaker 2: is getting pulled apart and cleaned and YadA YadA, just

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Speaker 2: like all the spring cleaning things for getting ready for

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Speaker 2: the summer in this fall. So that's what I've that's

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Speaker 2: what we've been up to the last little bit.

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Speaker 3: What about you.

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Speaker 1: I'm making a note right now that says email Chili

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Speaker 1: regarding condition of crew tepee because you just reminded me

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Speaker 1: when you talk about tent steaks and guyelines. I was

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Speaker 1: when we did that bear hunt. We used some of

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Speaker 1: some Meat Eater geared for our crew tent, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was not happy with the condition of it when

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you what the last hunt that

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Speaker 1: Ranella and the Meat Eater crew took it up to

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Speaker 1: away ready for the next person. So luckily we have

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Speaker 3: Supposed to be and bring it back to life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, which is great. It's easy to do on

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Speaker 1: the I mean taking an hour and that tent would

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Speaker 1: be rocking and rolling again. But I actually, when we

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Speaker 1: were just camping this weekend doing some late season turkey

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Speaker 1: hunting my seak outside Redcliffe, I'd pitched a few really

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Speaker 1: just kind of had to be smart about which uh,

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Speaker 1: super uh, super smart thing to do. It's probably best

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Speaker 1: just to buy like a hundred pack. That way, you

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Speaker 1: when you're like, oh man, look at that thing because

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Speaker 1: the bent ones. Man, I've tried hammering them back and

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Speaker 1: they just seem like once you bent them once, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that's why you shouldn't press them in

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Speaker 2: with your foot. It is because they'll bend easier. If

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Speaker 2: you're trying to press them in with your foot and

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Speaker 2: you hit a rock or something, it'll like bend them over,

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Speaker 2: Whereas if you have like another rock or a hammer

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Speaker 2: or something, it'll like knock the stake through the rock,

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Speaker 2: or if the rock is impassable, then it just won't

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Speaker 1: But that's interesting. I know you've told me that before.

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Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still a little incredulous about that. I

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Speaker 2: I mean I still do it. Oh yeah, I still

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Speaker 2: do it, but I I've heard that you should not

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Speaker 1: It's better to I just don't understand how it's better

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Speaker 1: could be something to it. Let me see, Yeah, Memorial

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Speaker 1: And so we decided to go turkey hunting. I was

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Speaker 1: stay with them, and we went turkey hunting, and man,

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Speaker 1: it was fun, good camping. But we definitely experienced late

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Speaker 1: a few of the gobblers were gobbled out. That's a

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Speaker 1: And so he and his dad. I know, my daughter

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Speaker 1: more times, and later Grady said, man, I had no

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Speaker 1: So we got one bird out of the deal. But man,

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Speaker 1: end of season or what what. We did have a

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Speaker 1: really cool day. It was the first day. Six bears

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Speaker 3: Six nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're sitting there hunting turkeys, looking at a

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Speaker 1: beautiful little meadow, thinking, man, this is this is where

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Speaker 1: And all sudden Grady is like, oh no, we're looking there.

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Speaker 1: A couple of elk walk through there. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a young bull. He's got I don't know, six

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Speaker 1: been a spike behind him. They kind of come trotting

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Speaker 1: through all happy, and we're glassing them. And then Grady says, well,

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Speaker 1: look right behind where those elks just were, there's a bear.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no way, and uh, sure enough, nice sized

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: We're watching it and like, oh this is great, you know,

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Speaker 1: like National Geographic got some elk seeing a bear. Five

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Speaker 1: minutes later, a big old cinnamon dude pops out right

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Speaker 1: below this black one. The best we could figure probably

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Speaker 1: a mating pair, right, that's what we're thinking. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: kind of they There wasn't anything too romantic about the encounter,

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Speaker 1: but definitely the you know, the black bear did a

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Speaker 1: Oh cool.

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Speaker 1: just running your iPhone with the phone.

431
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I did both.

432
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 2: And some of it is because I think I have

433
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: traumatic experiences of my phone getting full on memory as

434
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: I'm recording and all of a sudden.

435
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 3: I can't use my phone to do that.

436
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: And then sometimes for me it's just really nice having

437
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: especially when we're filming some of these times, I do

438
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: a lot of self filming stuff. So being able to

439
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: put it, have it on a dedicated camera and get

440
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 2: a memory card out of that camera and put it

441
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: onto a computer. I don't know, that just seems a

442
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: little bit simpler to me. But and some of it, man,

443
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: it was just a new It was a new thing.

444
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: I saw that you could put your GoPro on his

445
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: body scope, and I'm like, I think I should try that,

446
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: so well, uh, we'll see how it works. But overall,

447
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: the gop it's been super cool. We took it to

448
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: Hawaii and when we were snorkeling, I had it like

449
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: on a little pole underwater, And these new ones you

450
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: don't have to have like an underwater case like you

451
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: did the old ones. They're just waterproof on their own,

452
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: and yeah, like sticking it underwater and we were filming

453
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: fish and stuff. I don't know, it's just super cool.

454
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: They've they've they've come a long ways in the last gosh,

455
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: however many years. That's been at least seven since I've

456
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 2: since I've tried them. So yeah, the gear, the Hero eleven,

457
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: it's definitely worth a look.

458
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 1: Uh. I look forward to seeing the some content and

459
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: shots you get from mm HM. We recently got to

460
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: try out a bunch of crispy boots and I've actually

461
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: been trying to the brick Stall. Am I saying that right?

462
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: You've already tried that one, and then the Altitude. I've

463
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 1: been trying both of them. Both good. I'm gonna talk

464
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the Altitude today. Lightweight. I

465
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's quite I'm trying to think

466
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: of what I could compare it to Oslo Fugitive, which

467
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: has been a very popular boot with the hunters over

468
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: the years, the ASO l O Company. Some people say

469
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: a solo Oslo. They made a boot called Fugitive. Solomon

470
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: has theirs that's sort of like a runner Hiker that

471
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people like. I think it's an XO

472
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: X a pro three D like mid maybe seeing along

473
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 1: those lines. It's not quite as running shoe is that boot,

474
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: but it and but it doesn't have quite as stiff

475
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: of a soul as that fugitive from Oslo. So I

476
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: like it for that reason. Soft souls are comfy and

477
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: they're quiet, but then you sort of you give up

478
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of stability and a little bit the

479
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: ability to really dig into the side of a hill. Again,

480
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: being near two hundred pounds size twelve foot somebody, the

481
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: only ways a buck fifty sixty seventy might not put

482
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: the torsional flex into that onto that boot that I do,

483
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: and it's gonna happen. It's gonna feel just fine on

484
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: your foot going across, you know, going side hilling. Just

485
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of hunts I've been on, I've worn

486
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: them a little bit, and once I got onto side hills,

487
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: I definitely felt like I was just sort of, I guess,

488
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: overworking the boot and I was wishing I had a

489
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: little bit more just stiffness.

490
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: You know.

491
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: They rate it as a two point five out of

492
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: five on their website as far as stiffness of the

493
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: mid soul. But again, like we talked about in that

494
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: podcast that we did with Candle from Crispy, Yeah, right,

495
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: the boot doesn't get stiffer as it goes up in size,

496
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: which I think is something that boot manufacturers are gonna

497
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: start thinking about later because obviously that same stiffness and

498
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: the same boot for one hundred and fifty pound person,

499
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: it's going to feel a lot stiffer than for the

500
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: two hundred pound person. It's just you know, putting a

501
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: lot more against that boot. But overall, I would still

502
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: recommend it. Just for me, it's probably I think a

503
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: lot of people. Again, lighter people could probably use it

504
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: for September elk hunting in the mountains a little bit

505
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: too saw for me. I like to just have a

506
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: little bit more gerr in the boot, and the brick

507
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: stalls very well might be the the answer to that.

508
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: I haven't checked what stiffness they say about that one,

509
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: but i'll cover off on that. It's a four, okay,

510
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: so supposedly. Yeah, so there you go, a good bit

511
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: stiffer rating from the company that makes them. But yeah,

512
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: I think for spring turkey hunting, you know, hunting stuff

513
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: that's you know, not mountainous country that altitude is a

514
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: sweet little boot comes in at a pound and a

515
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: half per boot, so definitely, you know, i'd say it's

516
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: on the lighter side. There's a lot of boots out there.

517
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: They're all going to come in around the vote for

518
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: my size. For size twelve are going to come in

519
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: around two to three pounds, So anything under two I

520
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: think per boot is on the lighter side. So yeah,

521
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: been happy with them. Check them out. If you're looking

522
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: for something that's light, comfy, easy, sneaky. If you're going

523
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: doll sheep hunting, not the boot for no.

524
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: No. If you're playing on having a really heavy pack, yeah,

525
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: probably not the boot for you either.

526
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

527
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: No. And again, if I if I knew I just

528
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: had to do ten miles on a trail all the

529
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: way back to the truck, maybe I was coming back

530
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: for my second load of meat, I'd go heavy pack

531
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: with that boot, no problem. But if I was coming

532
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: off the side of a mountain, uh not, not the

533
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: right boot.

534
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: All right, Well, when we come back, we'll be talking

535
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: with Clay from ex Overland about getting us unstuck.

536
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: All right, we're back with clay Croft. Clay, how you

537
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: doing today?

538
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. How are you?

539
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing well? Thank you? Tell us real quick before

540
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: we jump into how to get riggs unstuck, But just

541
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: tell me what got you into this thing? That's called overlanding.

542
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: Well, I got into overlanding before it was really known,

543
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: at least here in the US as overlanding. That kind

544
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: of came later.

545
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: So what did you call it when you when you

546
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: got into this thing.

547
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: Well, my knowledge of it at the time was where

548
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: most of what we would say the industry sees it

549
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: now is like car camping and remote places.

550
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: I was.

551
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: I was a hunter. I was a backpacker, a climber,

552
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: and so I was using my truck to go far

553
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: off places and stay there. And then as soon as

554
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: I had kids, I wasn't able to do the long

555
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: term backpacking and long term hunting trips and stuff. So

556
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 4: I was based out of my vehicle a lot more.

557
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: And that's where I always liked vehicles. I always liked

558
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: building trucks, so this was a natural progression for me

559
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: to start working on vehicles more. And then eventually, after

560
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: a few years of doing that, I kind of looking

561
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: around the off road the four x four world. I

562
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: came across a magazine called over and Journal, and I

563
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: was like, oh, my goodness, there's a whole magazine about this.

564
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: But people travel the world by their vehicles. This is

565
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 4: what I want to do. So that's that's when I

566
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: was really introduced to the term overlanding, which takes what

567
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: we do here in the US, you know, on a

568
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: weekend warrior basis, to a whole new level of traveling

569
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 4: around the world with your vehicle.

570
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, you've got to ship a vehicle across

571
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: an ocean. That's next level.

572
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, And that's a whole lot of fun. It's

573
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: a big adventure. But we learned how to do all

574
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 4: of that by doing what we do here at home.

575
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: Right, what vehicle did you start with?

576
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: I started with, let's see, it was a nineteen let

577
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: me see you that's a good question, two thousand and

578
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: one Tacoma four door and modified it up so I

579
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 4: could sleep in the back and go go down the road.

580
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: And since an I've built almost exclusively Toyota short of

581
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: a couple different trucks.

582
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: Man, I would love to get into that topic, but

583
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I think we say say that for a for another

584
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: gear Talk podcast episode, because I was noticing looking at

585
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: your website that a lot of a lot of the

586
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: builds are Toyotas. You guys have done a few others,

587
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: but uh, it's definitely that it's owned by the Toyota.

588
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll get into that another one. Let's talk

589
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: about how to get trucks unstuck. I like it that

590
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you helped us build out a outline for today's podcast

591
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: and you called it a vehicle immobilization, which is like

592
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: a real fancy way if you like called your texted

593
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: your friend and said, hey, I'm immobilized.

594
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like what do you you sound smart?

595
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you stuck? Yes, I'm stiff.

596
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: You are stuck?

597
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you did you did say there's two kinds

598
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: and that and one is loss of traction. And that's

599
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: like loss of traction seems like it's a very tidy,

600
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, way to call it, but it's actually within

601
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: loss of traction, it's you know, that's a very broad thing,

602
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, basically saying you're stuck and you're stuck because

603
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: your tires are not moving forward. But before we get

604
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: into that, the other I guess type of mobilization is

605
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,479
Speaker 1: what you called systems, right, yeah, yep.

606
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: So basically your your vehicle has life systems. It's got electricity,

607
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: it's got fuel, and it's got mechanical function. Right, So

608
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: you if any one of those three things breaks down,

609
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 4: you will also be immobilized. So if your electrical system,

610
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: your battery quits, or if your transmission goes out or

611
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: a diff breaks or something like that, then you're essentially

612
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 4: stuck as well.

613
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

614
00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: So that that topic really boils down to just making

615
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: sure that to prevent being immobilized in that way, you

616
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 4: need to have really good maintenance. Comes down to maintenance

617
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: and what we call mechanical sympathy. This is something that

618
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 4: not a lot of us were taught as kids, but

619
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 4: like how to how to drive your car or your

620
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: truck or your so that it lasts a really long time,

621
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: or to make good decisions in the back country when

622
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: you're going up certain routes or going down certain roads

623
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: that won't jeopardize the vehicle because it's too hard on it.

624
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: So you have mechanical sympathy that says, you know, I

625
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: probably shouldn't do that because if I do do that,

626
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 4: one of those systems mechanical, electrical, or fuel, by chance

627
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: might fail. So I shouldn't do that in the first place.

628
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 4: And that's going to keep you from being immobilized in

629
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: that regard. And then yeah, does that make yeah?

630
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: No, No, that's yeah. On hundred percent makes sense, And

631
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: I like mechanical sympathy. That's a great, great term. I

632
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: hope you guys. You guys should have a t shirt

633
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: that says X.

634
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 4: OVERLI can be sympathetic to your rig. Yeah.

635
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, before we get farther into that, let's talk

636
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: about the most common yeah, which is loss of traction.

637
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: Loss of traction.

638
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you broke it down a bunch of

639
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: different versions of loss of traction. But uh, it looks

640
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: like by your list, you sort of like tires are

641
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: are number one.

642
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. Basically, loss of traction means that you no longer

643
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: have the power of the engine, can no longer turn

644
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 4: the wheels, or it's turning the wheels too easily. I

645
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: suppose you know your wheels are spinning. So loss of

646
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: traction can come from your tires being gunked up, being

647
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: stuck in the mud. It could be due to being

648
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 4: high centered. How many of us have gone in somewhere

649
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 4: and drove over something and the frame rests down on

650
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: the dirt, and now the tires spin and now you're

651
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 4: resting on the frame. It happens a lot in the

652
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 4: back country, right, So there's where loss of traction no longer.

653
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: Are your tires able to move you forward?

654
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Got it?

655
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? So that's really tires is where the problems start.

656
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 4: One of the best things to prevent loss of traction

657
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: is to it seems so basic, but have the right

658
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: tire for your vehicle and the environment that you're going into.

659
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 4: So a lot of us could. If you hopped on

660
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: a highway tire and went down into the mud, you're

661
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: not going to do very well. If you're going to

662
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 4: be on a slick, greasy road in the back of

663
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 4: eastern Montana, highway tire is going to do. Do you

664
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 4: know favorsy guys working on a truck in the background.

665
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: You can probably hear that right now.

666
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit, that's all right,

667
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: it's good, good, good to know you got got a

668
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: busy shop going there, and I have to think they're

669
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: putting tires on. Let's just jump into tires. I mean,

670
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: I guess you can talk about you know, brands you like,

671
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: but I mean, is it there's the whole how many

672
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: plies a tire has, and then obviously the tread pattern

673
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: and tread depth. I mean, when you're like, I'm trying

674
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: to think how to best phrase this when you're looking

675
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: at buying a new set of tires and you're like,

676
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: like you just said, you got to be buying and

677
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: looking to put on this stuff for the conditions you're

678
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: going to find yourself in. But that being said, it

679
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: seems like most of us use our truck for driving

680
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: around town, driving kids to school, and going to get

681
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: groceries for ninety some percent of its life. And then

682
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: there's a little bit where you go get to have

683
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: fun where you actually are putting the tires to use.

684
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, are you using two different sets of tires

685
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: for something like that? Do you have your city tires

686
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: and then you have what you put on when you're

687
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: going to through Montana you might encounter gumbo.

688
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, So there's a few ways to approach this,

689
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 4: and families approach it differently, I suppose as well. So

690
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 4: some of us only have one one vehicle that we drive,

691
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: and if we only have one main vehicle, that's when

692
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: having a couple sets of tires is really going to

693
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: be the best bet. If you're doing ninety percent of

694
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: the time you're on paved roads here in town, you're

695
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: doing some highways, like a good highway tire is obviously

696
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: going to be the most efficient for your lifestyle. But

697
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: if you get off grid a bit, you're going down

698
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 4: for service roads, you're poking around in the woods a bit.

699
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: Maybe you could offset the benefits of the highway tire

700
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: for more of an aggressive tire which would roll you

701
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: into an all terrain. Does pretty great on the highway,

702
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: does good around town. Still got pretty good tire whear,

703
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: but it has enough aggression to and stiffness and toughness

704
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: that you can rely on it in the backcountry. You know,

705
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: tree is in like little Bee back country. Not we're

706
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: not driving off the roads or anything like that. That's

707
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: you know, it's I want to specify that when I

708
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 4: say that this is you know, the forest service getting

709
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: to the trailhead or exploring through some mountains. The altrain

710
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: tire is going to be a really good tire for you.

711
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: It even does pretty well in the snow. Now, if

712
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: you're going to be in more environments that are really

713
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 4: uh rocky, really sharp shale, then you kind of want

714
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 4: to step up into a tougher tire, which you get

715
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: to usually in the mud terrain style tire. Now much go.

716
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: Ahead ahead, I'm just going to say what exactly makes

717
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: a tire tough.

718
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: Sure, So a tire is made of compounds of rubber compounds,

719
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: and every tire manufacturer has their own chemistry of tire compounds.

720
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: That's what kind of that's the science, that's the magic

721
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: sauce between tires, you know. So like you look at

722
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 4: a toyo and they're really stiff. They're really they got

723
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: a lot of their rubbers really like solid, their blocks

724
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: are really stiff. You can go to now look at

725
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 4: like any winter tire. What makes a winter tire really

726
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: good is that the compound is really soft, and then

727
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: when it gets really cold, it still maintains its ability

728
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: to flex even though it's sitting on extremely cold ground.

729
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: So and that helps to have better grip. And if

730
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: the rubber compound is stiffer, you lose grip and you're

731
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: sliding more.

732
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: Exactly now, your winter tires were made of softer compounds,

733
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 4: it's gonna wear out faster. That's why you don't drive

734
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 4: around on your winter tires all the time.

735
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: They do really great.

736
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: In the winter, but if you drive around on them

737
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 4: all summer, you wouldn't have them very long. That's that's

738
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 4: why you go to a normal you know street tire,

739
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 4: because the compound is stiff enough that you'll get the

740
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 4: mileage out of it and get them the bang for

741
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: the buck.

742
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: Got it.

743
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: So the third tire typically is your mud terrain tire,

744
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 4: and that mud terrain tire will have a stiffer compound.

745
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 4: It's made to spin essentially, so the stiffness it's it's

746
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 4: designed to not chunk, you know, like if you're spinning

747
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: a tire, the rubbers not chipping chipping off, and it's

748
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: meeting new new.

749
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: Surface or rocks.

750
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: It's tougher in that way, and then the gaps between

751
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 4: the lugs are wider. And the whole reason that is

752
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 4: that way is because a tire moves you forward by grabbing,

753
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: especially in the mud and snow, by grabbing new material,

754
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 4: and as it spins, it throws it out the back

755
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: and then it allows it to grab new material on

756
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 4: the front and keep moving forward. This is a very

757
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 4: limited situation, like how often can you think you've been

758
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: that stuck? But that's when that tire really shines when

759
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 4: you're in loose, muddy stuff, so you can throw out

760
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 4: out the back and grab new manterially on the front

761
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: and keep you moving forward.

762
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Got it, and it's so it's interesting because I thought too,

763
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know that those are actually start to get harder.

764
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: I actually thought that maybe they remain somewhat supple, so

765
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: that that, I guess squishiness would help you grip the

766
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: rocks if you got into some sort of thing where

767
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: you're like actually climbing, you know, rocks or over some

768
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: boulders and stuff, that that softness would help you grip.

769
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: But you don't. You don't need that. You still need

770
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: just tough and stiff in that situation.

771
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: Well a little it's kind of both because when a

772
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 4: tire's brand new and the lugs are really tall, it's

773
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: a lot softer than when you get to say, like

774
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 4: fifty percent of the tirewear. So your tire never performs

775
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 4: the same day, the same exact way from day to

776
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: day because your lug or your tirewear is being reduced.

777
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 4: So as you know, if you've got a brand new

778
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 4: set of mud tires and you went to Moab and

779
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: wanted to go on the slick rock, it's going to

780
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: do really, really well. There's a lot of flex because

781
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: the lug is really tall. It's going to grip stuff

782
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: and you're going to go up the trail, no problem.

783
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 4: Now if you get down to the last, say twenty percent,

784
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 4: you're getting into the tirewar indicators. There's just not enough flex.

785
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 4: The rubber is still hard enough that it's a safe,

786
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 4: reliable tire, but there's just no height anymore to give

787
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: it that much more flex. That's where more siping is

788
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: what it's called. The cuts and grooves into the lugs

789
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: start to matter because it allows it to maintain traction

790
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: and softness through the lugs life the tire lugs life.

791
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: Interesting.

792
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot too. Tires. I think of them

793
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 4: like shoes. You know, you have hunting boots that do this.

794
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: You have you may even have an the hunting boot

795
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 4: that you know is for water, more water or cold temperatures.

796
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 4: And then you've got you know, climbing shoes to go climbing.

797
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: You know, the compounds and the way they're designed to

798
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: do different things. So they really isn't one tire fits all.

799
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 4: If there is one, it would be the all terrain.

800
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Tire, okay, And but there's within all terrain tires. I mean,

801
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: there's this's got to at least a dozen solid tire

802
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: manufacturers that make a solid all terrain. But it just

803
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: they they're not all created equal, right.

804
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: No, And they if you were to look at a

805
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 4: lot of them, they're going to have they all have

806
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 4: their chart right like pluses and minuses, benefits and setbacks.

807
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 4: And if you were to really dive into what tires

808
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 4: best for you, you'd have to spend a lot of

809
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: time researching. Bottom line, most of these tires from the

810
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: top manufacturers in the all terrain world come from great

811
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 4: A Tires like Continental Michelin. So like be if Goodrich

812
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 4: is owned by Michelin, General Tire is owned by Continental.

813
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 4: All these top manufacturers of good good tires build get

814
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: into their sub brands there b B level tires. That

815
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that it's a B level quality, it's just

816
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 4: not the top ownership.

817
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, so hold on, you said be of good

818
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: Rich is owned by Michelin, So you're saying that the

819
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Michelin tires are you're actually going to get a better

820
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: alterrain there than if you buy the be of good

821
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Rich Allterrain.

822
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 4: As far as I know, I'd have to look this up,

823
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 4: but Michelin doesn't actually make an alterrain tire that competes

824
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 4: with BEF good Rich. They let their sub company be

825
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: of good Rich make those tires, got it? Because they're

826
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: different markets essentially, you know, and a lot of the

827
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: Continental and the Michelin they they spend their time. And

828
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: this is my assumption. I don't really know all of

829
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 4: this for facts, but you know, they're they're in the

830
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: semi world. They're in the the map production of tires

831
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: where there's a lot of rubber meat in the road. Uh.

832
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: And then you have your sub sub brands that are

833
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: dealing with a lot of the the consumer stuff, which

834
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 4: is us you know.

835
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: I see. So your your assumption is that consumer brands

836
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: and consumer tires don't make up the majority of their

837
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: income and their business.

838
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: Uh. I don't know on the revenue side. I do

839
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: know when it comes to their who they're talking to

840
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 4: and the volume of rubber that they're having or tires

841
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: that they're having to make in size right yep.

842
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: Interesting, So back back to like switching between a couple

843
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: of different kinds of tires. So my scenario right now,

844
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: I have some toy open country mpts on my pickup.

845
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: Right now, we're kind of getting out of the winner

846
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: and we're still going to do a little bit of

847
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: spring stuff like, it's still pretty snowy and muddy up

848
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: in the mountain, so I'll keep them on a little longer.

849
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: But I'm starting to think about getting a new set

850
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: of tires, like an AT to run through the summer

851
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: and then the first part of a little bit of

852
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: the fall and then switch back to the empts. Is

853
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: that kind of a rotation that you would recommend, so.

854
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 4: The empties, Yeah, it is a good way to go.

855
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 4: A lot of times I do the opposite.

856
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: I do.

857
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 4: I run mud terrains from spring to through the end

858
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 4: of fall, when you're going to see your muddiest, nastiest situations. Summer,

859
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 4: You're going to see a lot of rock in a

860
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: lot of dirt, so I want the toughness of it.

861
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: And then when I go to winter, I actually go

862
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 4: to my all terrain tire because all trains have a

863
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: better They have better road matters in the winter, so

864
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 4: they have more siping in them there. They're really a

865
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 4: lot better in snow and on ice than a mud

866
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: terrain is because a mud terrain has large blocks, a

867
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 4: lot of contact, heavy contact patches, whereas an all train

868
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: tire has a lot more siping, the smaller blocks less

869
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 4: gap between the blocks, and it does a lot better

870
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 4: in the winter.

871
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Since since you've mentioned it quite a few times and

872
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with siping, but I think, just like if

873
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: you can't give us like the two minute version and

874
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: really explain siping, because I think some people, I mean,

875
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: you did say that it's the cuts in the lugs,

876
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: but really go just a little bit deeper and explain siping.

877
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 4: Sure, so siping.

878
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: It is.

879
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: It is just that is the amount of cuts that

880
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 4: from the top of the lug down to the main

881
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 4: part of the carcass of the tire, which allows the blocks.

882
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: You know, if you think of think of an alterrain tire,

883
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 4: it's got all these little patches of contact patches that

884
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: touch the surface right, and then there's group bigger grooves

885
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 4: in between those lugs. Well, siping will go even smaller

886
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 4: than that. The those cuts go into those lugs individually,

887
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 4: and that allows the lug to have flex itself versus

888
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 4: just being a solid piece of rubber between all.

889
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so how does that flex then help the tire?

890
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: So that it does it it does two things for

891
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 4: the tire. It helps the tire stay cooler and because

892
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 4: there's more air between it basically allows the tire to

893
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 4: cool off and then it helps on the micro let's

894
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: see the micro traction. So all the little not grooves

895
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 4: and bumps and roughness of the surface of the road

896
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: or trail, those little teeny sipings can help grab and

897
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 4: grip on those little things. And that's why a winter

898
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 4: tire has tons of siping. If you go look at

899
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 4: like a blizz Ac Michelin Blizzak tire, it is full

900
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 4: of little zig zagged cuts into the into the tread

901
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: and that's why it's so good in the winter.

902
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of the siping and the and the

903
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: rubber compounds of winter tires become so good that there's

904
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: there's plenty of tire shops that don't even recommend getting

905
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: uh the oh shoot, my lost words. Not not the cleats,

906
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: but what do you call it? The uh oh the

907
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: studs studs right? Are you on board with that or

908
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: do you stud your winter tires?

909
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: I am on board with that, So I just recently

910
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: I studied a set of general all terrains uh there,

911
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 4: which they're called their grabber at X's and they have done.

912
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 4: They're really great in the winter. And then I they

913
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: also still provide studs, stud holes that you can put

914
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: studs into.

915
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

916
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: Excuse me, but uh I, I really didn't see a

917
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: difference when I put the studs in versus when I

918
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: didn't have them, because the being in the tire compounds

919
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 4: are getting so good, especially on the more modern tires.

920
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 4: In the last like five years, we've seen compounds get

921
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 4: a lot better. Tires kind of tire companies kind of

922
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 4: run their technology for as long as they can before

923
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 4: they have to update it. But in the last five

924
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 4: six seven years they've gone through another round of updating

925
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 4: their compounds, and all of these tires are really doing

926
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 4: a pretty dang good job in the winter, to the

927
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: point that studs have become less important. Now a stud

928
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 4: will help you in deep ice, like when it's really

929
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: thick and it wants to bite, that's where stud's going

930
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 4: to come in. Come in andy and right now, like

931
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: the at they only stud the outer corners. So like

932
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: when you're turning into a corner and you're trying to

933
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: have you know, traction as you turn a vehicle because

934
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 4: you have forces acting in two directions at once, then

935
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: that's when the studs can bite and help make a

936
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 4: car turn and better.

937
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, let's uh let's get into uh

938
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: we we have this note is decision tree about how

939
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: to buy, when and use cases and under that we

940
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: have applies which I definitely want to get your take

941
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: on how implies my tires need and then that will

942
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: take us into pricing.

943
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: Sure. Well, it's kind of back to Jordan's question, like

944
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 4: what what are I'm going into a couple of seasons?

945
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 4: You know, the decision tree? What what do I buy?

946
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 4: You know, what do I buy? And win? If you

947
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 4: want to have the best winter tire, I'll just sit now.

948
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 4: You need to buy a winter tire. Nothing beats them.

949
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: It's it's a specifics like the climbing shoe for climbing.

950
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 4: Like you can't beat a climbing shoe for climbing.

951
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: H No, if I can't. I got a quick example

952
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: of that. Our old house. We moved a couple of

953
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: years ago. But our old house had one heck of

954
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: a driveway. I mean the kind of a driveway where

955
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: I think see people went to think about looking at

956
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: the house and buying it, and the driveway scared way.

957
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: I mean it was half a mile and I can't

958
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: tell you what the actual grade was, but I mean

959
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: when you rode your bike down it, you were riding

960
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: the brakes, you know what I mean. It was. It

961
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: was a steep bugger and steep enough were in the winter.

962
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: When we bought the place, I had just the regular

963
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: BF good Rich all terrain KO tire and that was

964
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever five six, seven years ago maybe,

965
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: and I would have to chain up all the time,

966
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: and I slid off my own driveway multiple times and

967
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: just it. It wasn't great. And that was just a

968
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: straight altrain tire. And my neighbor said, man, when you're ready,

969
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, go and try these. They're the Cooper Mud

970
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: and snow I think it's a very They might have

971
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: changed the name now, it might be the snow Claw now,

972
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: but I think when I had my first pairs, just

973
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: the Cooper Mud and snow mins is what they called it.

974
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: And man, I put those things on and never had

975
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: to put chains on again. I mean it it was

976
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: like I went from being I don't know, the uh,

977
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: what's the superhero that slides around on the ice like surfboard.

978
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: I was that guy on my be of good riches,

979
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: and then I went to be in Spider man. I

980
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: mean those things just grip that driveway and just up

981
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: and down all different kinds of snow conditions, no problem.

982
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: And that's what really turned me on to snow tires.

983
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: It's like wow, yeah, like forevermore, I will have snow tires.

984
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 4: Especially here in Montana when you run. I mean, like this,

985
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 4: this winter was tough. This is a long winter, and

986
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,479
Speaker 4: having snow tires and having the right rubber that meets

987
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 4: the road really makes it safer. And I always encourage

988
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 4: people to buy the right tire for the right environment

989
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: because it's ultimately your whole family is at stake. It's

990
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 4: a relatively cheap investment to have the right kind of

991
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 4: traction where the rubber literally meets the road so that

992
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: you can avoid all these really costly, potentially dangerous situations.

993
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: We kind of get a little cheap with our trucks

994
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 4: sometimes or in our cars. I don't want to spend

995
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 4: the money on that, but like, what are we risking,

996
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 4: you know, sliding off the ditch all the time, going

997
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: into the bank, You're risking body damage or getting stuck

998
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 4: somewhere where you shouldn't be. It quickly becomes an investment

999
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 4: that's well worth it. When you run out the scenarios

1000
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 4: just a little ways.

1001
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it falls right under that vehicle maintenance that

1002
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: you talked about earlier, where if you take care of that,

1003
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: then you're just going to have less problems when you're

1004
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: out there doing your adventures.

1005
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the whole reason we're there. You know.

1006
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 4: We get to choose our adventures, and sometimes we choose

1007
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 4: our adventure through ignorance by not maintaining our things or

1008
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 4: you know, that's kind of the I mean, accidents happen,

1009
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: for sure, but a lot of it is preventable. So

1010
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 4: we get to choose that adventure. And I like to

1011
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 4: keep our vehicles maintained at the highest level so that

1012
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 4: I go out and have the adventure I intend to have,

1013
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: not the one that I ended up with.

1014
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so let's just say we're we're going down

1015
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: the decision tree and Jordan's like, all right, I'm gonna

1016
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: go with this new mud terrain tire. It's gonna be

1017
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: my summer and my ball haunting rig tire. She's she's

1018
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: what truck do you have? How big of a truck? Jordan?

1019
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: Three quarter town and twenty.

1020
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so how many plies does she need.

1021
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: Are you towing anything?

1022
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: Yep? What are you towing of sixteen foot enclosed trailer?

1023
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: Okay?

1024
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, so ply really has a lot to do

1025
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: with the sidewall stiffness. And there's three ply, which almost

1026
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: all tires with the new modern setup two and a

1027
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 4: half like. Okay, so let's take the all terrain tire

1028
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 4: from or from general tire. I can speak towards this

1029
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 4: one because I know the most about it. It's three

1030
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 4: ply other than where on the sidewall, so we're talking

1031
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 4: on the side of the tire. This is where deflection

1032
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: comes from. Okay, and this is actually integrated as part calculated,

1033
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: as part of your suspension system. The way your tire

1034
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 4: flexes up and down on the road correlates to how

1035
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 4: your suspension responds as well. So a three ply has

1036
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 4: three and the plies aren't necessarily what they used to be.

1037
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 4: Some of these terms come from old tire technology, but

1038
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: they just stuck with the same terms because that's what

1039
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: people knew. But like chords, for example, ten ply or

1040
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 4: ten corded tires, they used to literally be chords in

1041
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: the tire h It is a little different now, but

1042
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 4: they still use the term chords because the technology is

1043
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 4: better than that, but they can equate it to what

1044
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 4: the chords used to be. Is that if that makes sense?

1045
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: So sure?

1046
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: Anyway, when you say when you say chords like like rope.

1047
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, they used to be like steel banding and chords.

1048
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 4: Back in the day. It was literally chords wrapped around

1049
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 4: the main carcass of the tire and gave.

1050
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: It and that would go out on the outer.

1051
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1052
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so how does that affect if that's on the outside,

1053
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: how does that affect the the sidewall? Uh?

1054
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 4: So you have it doesn't Well I guess it probably

1055
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: does if you talk to some physicists. But there you

1056
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: have your side wall deflection up and down, and then

1057
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: you have the stiffness of the main carkness of the

1058
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 4: tire which is in your chords. And this is about

1059
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: the extent of where my knowledge of how a tire

1060
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 4: is built ends. So I don't want to get too

1061
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 4: far and put out any misinformation because ultimately it matters

1062
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 4: kind of but not really, Like I don't focus on

1063
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 4: this too much. I know that when I'm towing, when

1064
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: I asked your about what you know, how are you using?

1065
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: You're going to want a heavier plied tire with stiffer

1066
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 4: cordage because of the weight that you are requiring the

1067
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 4: truck to pull, and what is going to be on

1068
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 4: that rear axle because you have all this tongue weight

1069
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 4: axle weight. If you have too soft of a tire

1070
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 4: in both sidewall and cordage, it's just going to be

1071
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 4: like a it's just too soft. It's not going to

1072
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 4: hold up and it's going to wear out quickly. But

1073
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 4: the reason you don't want too heavy you of a

1074
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,919
Speaker 4: cordage of a tire and too much sidewall if you're

1075
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: not toying, is because it'll ride like a wagon.

1076
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: It'll be a terrible driving experience.

1077
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 4: So that that's what you're kind of balancing out as

1078
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: you are looking to buy what tire.

1079
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: What about toughness in general with higher plies, Like I

1080
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: don't know, ranch life, we always went with a ten

1081
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: ply because we've always said, like nails don't go through.

1082
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: It is easy.

1083
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 4: It's true, it's true. It's just there's more matisial on

1084
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 4: the on the tread right there underneath it. So you

1085
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 4: have your lugs on top and then you have the

1086
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 4: cordage underneath and there's just a lot more there. They're

1087
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 4: just it's a stronger, stiffer tire. It doesn't allow things

1088
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 4: through it. Excuse me, but that excuse me goodness. That

1089
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 4: works well on ranch trucks because you're often towing. You're

1090
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: you're really utilizing those trucks for ranch work, so you're

1091
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 4: willing to give up comprove the comfort of a lesser

1092
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 4: ply tire with lesser side, lesser sidewalls, that is more

1093
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 4: supple and goes down the road a lot nicer. If

1094
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 4: you hop into a RAM thirty five hundred with a

1095
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 4: ten ply and three three ply sidewalls, go drive down

1096
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 4: the highway and then hop into a twenty five hundred

1097
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: that has eight ply cordage and only like a two

1098
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: and a half sidewall, you will notice the difference. You

1099
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 4: won't feel all the final little vibrations, all the all

1100
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 4: the little cracks in the road that you would with

1101
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 4: a with a heavier, stronger tire. So just because it's

1102
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: tougher doesn't mean it's really the one you want because

1103
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 4: you have to live with it every day, But it

1104
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 4: might serve the purpose of its use case, got it? Yeah?

1105
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So she decided on the she she's gonna go. Uh,

1106
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, eight pliz or whatever. Sure, how much is?

1107
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: It seems like they got a lot more expensive, and

1108
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: they got more expensive when the rims got bigger the

1109
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: tire it seems like there's less rubber that you're buying out,

1110
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: but somehow the tires got more expensive. So talk about

1111
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: just general pricing, I guess. And then also uh like

1112
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: with with brand names, like how like are you paying

1113
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: more because it's the Nike of tires.

1114
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 4: Great questions, So let's let's talk about brand first. Just

1115
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 4: knock that out. Your top brands. They are running the

1116
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 4: latest rubber compounds, the newest technology because they are competing

1117
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 4: for the top slot when you get into your subtires.

1118
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: A lot of them are made in China. They're running

1119
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 4: off of technology that is twenty plus years old, but

1120
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 4: it still works and that's what makes them cheaper. So, yeah,

1121
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: you are buying a little bit of brand name, I suppose,

1122
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 4: But they are aggressively competing with each other and their

1123
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 4: warranties and their tirewear and all the forums in the

1124
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 4: world out there, you know, everyone talking about it. So

1125
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 4: the top brands really do provide the best tire I

1126
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 4: don't think you're paying too much for any one name

1127
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 4: over the other to some degree. We'll let the internet

1128
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 4: debate that forever. But so and then what was it?

1129
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 4: What was the other question? The others half of that?

1130
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: I guess it's just general pricing. But it sounds like

1131
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: if they're all competing, then really the pricing is not

1132
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: going to differ that much, right.

1133
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, So now it comes down. You were talking about

1134
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 4: wheel size, rim size, so we have you know, standard

1135
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 4: used to be fifteen inch rims. You know, every truck

1136
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 4: had a fifteen inch rim for a long long time,

1137
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 4: so they made thousand, millions and millions of tires at

1138
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 4: fifteen inch rims. So this is getting into economies of scale,

1139
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 4: is best I know of how all they price this.

1140
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 4: So when you get into a twenty two inch rim

1141
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: and you want a thirty five inch tire on a

1142
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 4: twenty two inch rim, there are very few of those

1143
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 4: wheels and entire combinations out there, and so therefore the

1144
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 4: economies of scale say they have to charge more for

1145
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 4: it because they're not selling so many of them. That's

1146
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 4: what makes them more expensive. That's on the extreme side. Nowadays,

1147
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 4: the common wheel size is now to seventeen inch wheels

1148
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 4: and eighteens. You're seeing other OEM's original equipment manufacturers like

1149
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 4: Toyota for and all these you'll see twenties coming out.

1150
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 4: That's usually for lucks. Usually it's seventeen to eighteen inch

1151
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: wheels because the brakes have gotten bigger. Back in the day,

1152
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 4: are fifteen inch wheels accommodated fifteen inch sized brakes, you know,

1153
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 4: the littler trucks and the technology. Now we're getting into

1154
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 4: heavy tow packages, towing more, pulling more, hauling more, and

1155
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 4: that all requires much more stopping power. So therefore the

1156
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 4: brakes got bigger and the wheels got more tall or rounder,

1157
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 4: so it can stuff a bigger break in there. So

1158
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 4: those seventeens and eighteens are a lot more commonplace now

1159
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 4: and then just like anything else. Right now, we've seen

1160
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 4: a lot of rice increase due to supplying demand and

1161
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 4: manufacturing the ability to get the materials and the cost

1162
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 4: of the materials. You know, tires are made of oil.

1163
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 4: Oil has been pretty high for the last year and

1164
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 4: a half, so you know, just the the base material

1165
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 4: of that is starting at a higher price point. So

1166
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 4: everything floats with economics.

1167
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: So what's Jordan going to be looking at to be

1168
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: paying a first setate for average to get herself a

1169
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: nice quality tire that she can depend on.

1170
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 4: Man, I think right now you're seeing anywhere between. What

1171
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 4: depends on do you know your wheel size? I'll bet

1172
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 4: it's eighteen's it's eighteen, Yeah, I guess on the thirty

1173
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 4: five hundred, seventeen or eighteen, you're going to be looking

1174
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 4: at two hundred and seventy five to three hundred and

1175
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 4: seventy five dollars a tire, just depending.

1176
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 3: On they really they really went up.

1177
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 4: They really did. There is even a rubber or a

1178
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 4: tire shortage that occurred in last year across manufacturers, so

1179
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 4: that also drove prices up. We've seen a reduction in

1180
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 4: the different sizes offered, because, for example, if you have

1181
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 4: a seventeen inch thirty five inch tire, but the most

1182
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 4: common size is a seventeen inch wheel in a thirty

1183
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 4: two inch tire, they're going to reduce the thirty five

1184
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 4: inch tires because it takes a whole lot more rubber

1185
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 4: to make one of those than it does to make

1186
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 4: a thirty two inch tire, and that's the one they're

1187
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 4: selling the most of so they are reducing some of

1188
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 4: these bigger tire sizes so that they can meet the

1189
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 4: demand of the more common sizes. So we've seen all

1190
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff, and that's why prices are up. Availability

1191
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 4: is down on certain things. So if you find the

1192
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 4: right tire size and it's a decent price right now

1193
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 4: at least where we are today in time, probably buy it,

1194
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 4: you know, because it's there. So yeah, And so if

1195
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 4: you're going to be changing your tire size for any reason,

1196
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 4: make sure you buy that fifth tire, because you don't

1197
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 4: want to have a thirty five inch tire or a

1198
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 4: thirty three inch tire on all four. And then your

1199
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 4: spare tire is a thirty two That might get you

1200
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 4: home off the trail a little ways, but you would

1201
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,799
Speaker 4: not want to go down the highway with that offset

1202
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 4: and your tires. You will burn some stuff up, you'll

1203
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 4: wreck you'll wreck some trucks. So make sure that if

1204
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 4: you're increasing your tire size that you do it all five.

1205
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: That's a hot temp rate there, all right. Anything else

1206
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: under the subject of tires that we missed, or you

1207
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: feel like we need to just touch on before we move.

1208
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: On, if you're still just really wondering what is the

1209
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 4: best tire for me, take a hard look at the

1210
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 4: all train tire because it does everything pretty dang well.

1211
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: Does it do everything perfectly? No, but that's why it's

1212
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 4: an all terrain tire. And they're they're fantastic, and they

1213
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 4: work great for hunters, they work great for the ranch truck,

1214
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 4: and they work great for getting around town and and

1215
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 4: the winners. So are my personal vehicles. Run an all

1216
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 4: terrain tire on our lan Cruiser year round and it's

1217
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 4: it's the good, perfect tire. I can do everything with it.

1218
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 4: If you're wanting more specifics into the winter tire, that's obvious.

1219
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 4: Or if you want more aggressive toughness, spend the extra

1220
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 4: go into a mud terrain and but it's going to

1221
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 4: have its limited uses when it works the best. You know,

1222
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 4: all terrain is really the way to go if you're

1223
01:09:54,160 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 4: just wondering what to get.

1224
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got we've got tires covered. I'm trying

1225
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: to think how we should tackle the next part. So

1226
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: does does that count? That that kind of counts as

1227
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: as we originally started this conversation with saying, hey, what's

1228
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: your top five vehicle recovery items like what are the

1229
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: things you need? Good tires counts as one of those

1230
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: five recovery items, correct.

1231
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, start you should start with it, got it you? Okay,

1232
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 4: So that trickles down from there.

1233
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 1: Exactly, so you might not even need to you know,

1234
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to use the word stuck or immobilize

1235
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: if you start off with good tires. Yeah.

1236
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, hopefully it get you where you need to go.

1237
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 4: And uh, because it's the right size, the right tire,

1238
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 4: the right pattern for the environment that you're operating in.

1239
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 4: But then other things happen, right, we still exceed the

1240
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,879
Speaker 4: traction of a tire, we exceed the clearance of a vehicle.

1241
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 4: Things happen, and that's where we need to be prepared

1242
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 4: in our immobilization first aid kid, so to speak. From there.

1243
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: Okay, and so we'll get into each one. But the

1244
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: rest of the items that you had on your list

1245
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: were air compressor, recovery boards also known as traction boards,

1246
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: a jack of some sort, and then a strap.

1247
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, these are all critical. The reason air compressor

1248
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 4: is like the first one we put on there is

1249
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 4: because that is typically the first thing that fails. While

1250
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 4: we do have good tires, it is where the rubber

1251
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 4: meets the road, and that's where we see the most

1252
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 4: failures in a vehicle is in tires. So having the

1253
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 4: ability to fix a tire is pretty critical. So having

1254
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 4: some plugs and an air compressor, whether it's one that

1255
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 4: you can plug into your battery or that's one full

1256
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 4: time built into your truck like a lot of overland

1257
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 4: vehicles have, that allows you to fix a flat and

1258
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 4: keep moving without having to take the tire off the vehicle.

1259
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 4: It'll get you off the trail, get you going, and

1260
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 4: in that in my opinion, is much safer in many

1261
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 4: ways because you're not having to lift the vehicle take

1262
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 4: things off in the back country where other further accidents

1263
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 4: could happen, allows you to repair the tire right there

1264
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 4: and keep moving.

1265
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 2: And what's what's the cadillac of air compressors right now

1266
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 2: that are not in your vehicle.

1267
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 4: Vy air is a really good one. And then ARB

1268
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 4: out of Australia makes there the same compressor that they

1269
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 4: put inside vehicles, they put in a box for a

1270
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 4: portable version and that's what we run.

1271
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So really the air compressor is kind of a

1272
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: two part deal. You need an air compressor and then

1273
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: you need some plugs and plugs. If you never done it,

1274
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't done it myself maybe a half

1275
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: dozen times. But they're really quite simple. Yeah, it's not hard.

1276
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: It's something you can you can watch one YouTube video

1277
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: on it and know how to do it. And now

1278
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: you're equipped in the back country to solve your probably

1279
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: your number one problem, which is a flat right. I

1280
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: mean you literally with a with a small little I

1281
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: don't know what the tool is called, but you literally

1282
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: stick it into the hole with some adhesive and then

1283
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: when you pull it out, the plug stays, the tool

1284
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: comes out, the plug stays, and then I don't know,

1285
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: is there even a cure time or do you just

1286
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: go ahead and just and just start putting air in.

1287
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 4: You start putting air in it, and that is the

1288
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 4: next trick. You put air in it, see if it holds,

1289
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 4: and if it's still leaking, you put another plug in

1290
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 4: right next to it. You know, you just keep jamming

1291
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 4: plugs in there until it stops leaking. My experiences, it's

1292
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 4: usually one, maybe two, but it's usually one. I had

1293
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 4: an extreme case in Greenland with an arctic truck tire

1294
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 4: where we play twenty into one, but I was twenty

1295
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 4: into a gash. Yeah, and it was a special plug

1296
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 4: system that has They were blue and they had this emulsifier.

1297
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 4: I think that's the term for it. That when they

1298
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 4: all get next to each other, they bond and build

1299
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 4: and then they adhere to the rubber of the tire

1300
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 4: and built a patch. Essentially, we built a massive plug.

1301
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 4: But that was running a forty four inch tire built

1302
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 4: for running at two pounds of pressure.

1303
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: And what caused the a gash that big? We ran

1304
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: over a rock in Greenland. Yeah, that was sticking a

1305
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 1: sharp rock YEP, and gashed it. But we're running at

1306
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: two pounds of pressure two psi. Which gets me into

1307
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: another topic on how to run that.

1308
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 4: If we'd like to talk that airing down that that's

1309
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 4: a topic we should talk about.

1310
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if you have an air copressor, then I

1311
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: guess that opens up the ability to do this right.

1312
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 4: Yep, And airing down is a very good technique if

1313
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 4: you I didn't learn about this until I got into

1314
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 4: the off road scene, Like I didn't learn about it

1315
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 4: from ranching when I was growing up, or my dad

1316
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 4: who is a semi truck driver ran tires and all kinds.

1317
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 4: They don't air down. They run an exact psi all

1318
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 4: the time and then they just leave it right. Well,

1319
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 4: if you have the ability to air down, you can

1320
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 4: really dramatically change how your tire performs so you can

1321
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 4: get better ride quality. But say you drive around at

1322
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 4: forty psi on the highway and daily life.

1323
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: That's pretty calm on a dirt road. What's that? Fortysi

1324
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: is pretty common right in a chuck tire.

1325
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably thirty five to fifty psi is kind of

1326
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 4: the ranges of what truck tires run at. Just depends

1327
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 4: and a little bit of personal preference in there too,

1328
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, you get a like my ram, I run

1329
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 4: fifty psi on my tires as soon as I get

1330
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 4: on a trail, or I was just down in Utah

1331
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 4: as soon as I got off the trail off the

1332
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: highway there running at fifty PSI just wants to shake

1333
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 4: your teeth out, you know, so you air down. We

1334
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 4: have tools for that, you know, you can use the

1335
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 4: dirt bag version is the rock on the side of

1336
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 4: the road. You air it down and you check it

1337
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 4: with your tire pressure. I went down to my truck's

1338
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 4: pretty heavy, so it's I just went down to thirty PSI,

1339
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 4: which gave me the deflection and the tire that I

1340
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 4: was looking for. There's no magic number to what you

1341
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 4: should air down to because it's really based on the

1342
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 4: deflection of the tire and how heavy your vehicle is.

1343
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 1: And when you say deflection of tire, yeah, explain that sure.

1344
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: So as you take air out of the tire, your

1345
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 1: tire is going to change its shape, especially at the

1346
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: contact patch of the ground. Most people think it gets wider,

1347
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It gets longer like a snowshoe.

1348
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 4: So eighty percent of the length is in its or

1349
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 4: of the increase in traction patch is in its length.

1350
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 4: It gets longer. Twenty percent only folds to the sides

1351
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 4: as it comes down. And that's why when you look

1352
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 4: at an all terrain and a mud terrain tire, they

1353
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 4: have a really aggressive side wall right there at the

1354
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 4: top because when it airs down, that sidewall starts to

1355
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 4: make contact with the ground. And that's why their three

1356
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 4: ply right there because it needs to be strong enough

1357
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 4: to take to go along rocks and things like that

1358
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,799
Speaker 4: without puncture. So yeah, if you increase that traction patch,

1359
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 4: now you have more rubber on the ground in a

1360
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 4: lot of ways that it will increase your flotation, So

1361
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 4: if you're in really deep stuff, it'll help you stay

1362
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 4: on top, and it'll also give you a much better ride.

1363
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 4: So the other day when I went from fifty psi

1364
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 4: to thirty psi and it was like cushy, you know,

1365
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 4: it's like I was riding on a cloud, you know.

1366
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 4: And that saves the rest of the vehicle from all

1367
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 4: the vibrations that start at the ground and go up

1368
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 4: into the into the truck. Everything's not shaken apart, and

1369
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 4: you're maintaining having mechanical sympathy for your vehicle by airing down.

1370
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 4: Now you need to make sure that you air back

1371
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 4: up before you hit the highways because an air down

1372
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 4: tire generates a lot of rolling resistance, which creates heat.

1373
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 4: So if your tire is too far, too low, just

1374
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 4: imagine running around town on a really low tire, it's

1375
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 4: going to destroy it due to heat. So you air

1376
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 4: it back up and off you go.

1377
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: And the heat is only caused because there's just more contact.

1378
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 4: More contact and deflection. So as a tire rolls, say

1379
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 4: like at the top of the tire, it looks normal, right,

1380
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 4: but then as you look at the bottom of the

1381
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 4: tire where the weight is squishing it. It's all deformed

1382
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 4: right there. So that action of cycling through those two

1383
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 4: forms over and over and over and over and over

1384
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 4: again generates tons of heat. And if you've ever had

1385
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 4: a flat tire where going down the road, all of

1386
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 4: a sudden you blow a tire and then by the

1387
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 4: time you come to a stop, that sucker is almost

1388
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 4: so hot you can't touch it. It's because of that,

1389
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it was going through tons of

1390
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 4: deformation and built extreme heat right off the bat. So

1391
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 4: it's a thing you need to be aired up, which

1392
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 4: brings us back to having an air compressor gives you options.

1393
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 4: You can repair a tire and you can air down,

1394
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 4: get the ride right, the proper ride that you need

1395
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 4: and traction, and then you can air back up when

1396
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 4: you hit the highway and head home.

1397
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to get into right now how

1398
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: that could help you get unstuck or should we kind

1399
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 1: of roll through all the pieces of the of getting

1400
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: unstuck and then and then work into how to actually

1401
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: use them.

1402
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 4: Sure, I'll touch on it real quick, because airing down

1403
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 4: does increase your ability to get out of many stuck situations.

1404
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 4: For so a lot of times, say you've got a

1405
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 4: tire that's slipping or two if even just airing down

1406
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 4: a little bit, which allows more contact patch to touch

1407
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 4: the ground, it also allows the tire to deflect more

1408
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: because it is deforming. As it goes around, it'll grab

1409
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 4: new material, but then as it's coming out of where

1410
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 4: the material is, it flexes more and releases that material.

1411
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 4: So it does help you clean the tread by being

1412
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 4: a bit aired down because of it's moving more and

1413
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 4: it helps fling the stuff out. That makes sense, and

1414
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: then you have more contact patch with the ground and

1415
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 4: gives you better traction to get out. Now, if you're

1416
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 4: high centered, this isn't going to help you right because

1417
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 4: your wheels aren't just touching the ground anyway, you're gonna

1418
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 4: have to put something under it. But in other situations

1419
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 4: like snow, sand, mud, being aired down is very beneficial

1420
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 4: to your traction.

1421
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so I had a thing this winter. We're actually

1422
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: just taking out the trash we have to dump our

1423
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: own trash and dumpsters, and it hadn't been plowed and

1424
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 1: it was I don't know, a solid foot maybe a

1425
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: little bit more. Someone had driven in there and made

1426
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: it out. I went plowing in there, thinking if they

1427
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 1: made it out, so will I. Well, I get in there,

1428
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, all four wheels are spinning

1429
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: and we're moving sideways, and it was just a matter

1430
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: of time until we were immobilized. Do you think there

1431
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,719
Speaker 1: was a chance that I could have gone from forty

1432
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: to fifteen and climb my way out of there or

1433
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: was that too much to ask for just airing down?

1434
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 4: Probably too much to ask in that situation, because what

1435
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 4: was causing you to not be able to get out?

1436
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 4: Was it the height of the ruts?

1437
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was just the amount of snow, right,

1438
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: Like I could never get down to something that I

1439
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: could actually grab. Gotcha, Well, I mean I chained up

1440
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: and I drove right out of there, So.

1441
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, So it wasn't a clearance problem. It was

1442
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 4: a flotation problem. So yeah, it probably would have knowing

1443
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 4: what I heard there going down. So as you air down,

1444
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 4: think of it. It's an exponential curve. It's not like

1445
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,919
Speaker 4: if I go to from forty pounds to twenty pounds

1446
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 4: and from twenty pounds to ten pounds, is the same

1447
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 4: amount of floatation increase? No, you'll gain some from forty

1448
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 4: to twenty, but from twenty to ten is like, I

1449
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 4: don't know, meatball math four times as much.

1450
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

1451
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 4: So getting into those sweet spots where you actually really

1452
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 4: do start to see a lot of increase in your

1453
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 4: traction and your floatation happens down there in the lower pressures,

1454
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 4: and it happens very quickly. So you might only need

1455
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 4: to go from twenty pounds to eighteen pounds and that's enough,

1456
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 4: or if you need a little bit more, only go

1457
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 4: to fifteen pounds and you've actually increased it by quite

1458
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 4: a lot. This all depends on the way to the vehicle,

1459
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 4: on the truck and the tire, and it just takes

1460
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 4: some experimenting with your own vehicle to figure it out.

1461
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 4: But it might have It might have given you the

1462
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 4: floatation that you needed.

1463
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: Huh.

1464
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 4: So interesting ranchers, Back to quick tire size here, a

1465
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 4: lot of ranchers like pizza cutters. You've heard the term

1466
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 4: pizza cutters. I want a tall, skinny tire. Yeah, that's

1467
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 4: because a tall, skinny tire does benefit you more often

1468
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 4: than a big wide tire. Airing down a tire getting

1469
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 4: flotation only starts to benefit you past one hundred and

1470
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 4: ten percent of your vehicle's clearance. We can get real

1471
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 4: techy here. So you only want a wider, longer, taller

1472
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 4: tire when you've exceeded one hundred and ten percent of

1473
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 4: your clearance of the vehicle, at least in snow, sand

1474
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 4: and mud, because you're dragging the vehicle underneath, right, So

1475
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 4: now you need flotation to get up above it until

1476
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 4: then A taller, skinny tire has more contact pressure. So

1477
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 4: think of a railcar, a railroad car. All of that

1478
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 4: weight is sitting on one inch on the rail and

1479
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 4: it has all the traction it needs because it has

1480
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 4: all that downforce on a very small contact patch on

1481
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 4: the rail. So that's how our locomotive can go down

1482
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 4: on steel wheels because of the weight on a very

1483
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 4: small piece of rail. Okay, now we don't want that

1484
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 4: in our cars because it would be terrible to drive. Right,

1485
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 4: they're on rails. They can do that, they can get

1486
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 4: away with it. So we have other factors that we

1487
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 4: have to deal with, but the principle remains. So you

1488
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 4: only want a wider tire, taller tire when you need

1489
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,959
Speaker 4: that floatation past one hundred and ten percent of your clearance.

1490
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 4: It takes a second to think about, but because you

1491
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 4: kind of got to visualize it in your head.

1492
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so it's it's basically, once you're clear, you've

1493
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 1: exceeded clearance, right like you got it? Your yourself into

1494
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 1: a spot where. But again, this wouldn't apply to being

1495
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: high centered, would it, Because if you're taking air out,

1496
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: you're only going to get more high centered. Correct, So

1497
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: this would be clearance in mud snow type conditions, correct,

1498
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: got it?

1499
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 4: Where if you don't want to get high centered a lot,

1500
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 4: then you get into taller tires because it just keeps

1501
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 4: you above a lot of the things that would cause

1502
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:27,799
Speaker 4: you to be high centered.

1503
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: Got it. But if I was in my situation, I

1504
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: was digging down too far and I was probably getting

1505
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: bogged down by all the other snow around me. Right

1506
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: my vehicle, the frame itself is starting to just push

1507
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: against snow and the tires can't push me through that.

1508
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: You're saying that I possibly could have aired down, gotten

1509
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: more flotation and it would have just lifted me up

1510
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: above that level and I could have drove it driven

1511
01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: out exactly. Wow, I'm getting educated, are you, Jordan?

1512
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, big time.

1513
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 2: So with that, but that wouldn't really work if like, Okay,

1514
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 2: this last spring, I was out shooting content and I

1515
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 2: went to turn around in a poll out on a

1516
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: four service road and there was like a bunch of

1517
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 2: snow that had been packed in and melted and went

1518
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 2: to ice and YadA YadA, and I basically was just

1519
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't stuck under the frame at all. I was

1520
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 2: just stuck on my wheels. I guess it's just ice.

1521
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 2: It was just spinning on its Yeah, there wasn't really ruts.

1522
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: It was just I was trying to break through some snow,

1523
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 2: but it was so hard that it just stopped me.

1524
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: And then when I tried to back up, it was

1525
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 2: so slick underneath that I just couldn't get any attraction

1526
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 2: backing up. That's where I think like traction boards would

1527
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 2: have been real nice, but airing down my tires in

1528
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,440
Speaker 2: that situation wouldn't.

1529
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 4: It may have. Maybe it's tough because now we're getting

1530
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 4: into like specific conditions, but it would have been one

1531
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 4: of the tools in your toolkit that you could have used,

1532
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 4: especially if you didn't have traction boards or things like that.

1533
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 4: That would be one of the first things you do

1534
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 4: and you go incrementally, right, you just air down a

1535
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 4: little bit more. Does that help? Oh, let's go a

1536
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 4: little bit more. And then you get to a point

1537
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,759
Speaker 4: where you're like, yeah, maybe I shouldn't go any further

1538
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 4: lower in my tire pressure. This isn't working. But you

1539
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 4: might have found a delta point in there where that

1540
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 4: tire pressure may have helped you in that situation.

1541
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: Is there a point where it can get dangerous or bad? Like,

1542
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: is there a low end where you're like, hey, if

1543
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: you're running the average truck and you're running forty psi normally,

1544
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: like I would recommend don't go below this number.

1545
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, tire manufacturers have their number. I think general tire

1546
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 4: is like twenty two psi. They don't want you to

1547
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 4: run below twenty two psi on the trail. Below that

1548
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 4: you're becoming a test pilot for those tires to see

1549
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 4: what they're capable of. They wan't warranty them if you

1550
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 4: ran them, you know. But you know me personally, I

1551
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 4: do run pressures below twenty two pounds, but it's usually

1552
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: in shorter distances, like we would call this emergency pressures.

1553
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: So there's because we know that going from like twenty

1554
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 4: two pounds to say, fifteen psi. There's an exponential increase

1555
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 4: in flotation between those two numbers because the tire starts

1556
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 4: to deflect a lot more between those pressures, which also

1557
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 4: we know creates heat and all that stuff. But if

1558
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 4: you're running slow and you're not doing high speeds, you

1559
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 4: can maintain that you can take take care of the

1560
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 4: tire when it gets really low, like real emergency pressures,

1561
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 4: I would say, well, and again it depends on the

1562
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 4: weight of your vehicle. Like if my Ram thirty five

1563
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 4: hundred with a camper on the back and everything was

1564
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 4: down at fourteen psi, I'll bet that rim would nearly

1565
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 4: be touching the ground, you know. But if you take

1566
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 4: a Tacoma with nothing in the back, straight off the

1567
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 4: lot going down to fourteen psi, you're going to be like,

1568
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 4: is that is that tire aired down? I can't tell,

1569
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 4: you know, you know, it's just because it's due to

1570
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 4: weight and tire size and all these things. Right, So

1571
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 4: you're really looking at the deflection how the tire is

1572
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 4: behaving under the pressure that you've given it, and you

1573
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 4: can tell as soon as you get low enough where

1574
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 4: you can start to see the tire roll in a corner.

1575
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 4: That's when it's getting dangerous that you will roll the bead.

1576
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 4: So a tire is mounted to the wheel with the bead,

1577
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 4: it's kind of kind of glued in there and pressed

1578
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 4: against the bead or the rim of the tire with pressure.

1579
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 4: If you exceed the forces that it can hold, it

1580
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 4: will peel it off the rim and instantly lose all

1581
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 4: your air and you'll be on the ground. And you're

1582
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 4: now getting into a reseat the bead situation, which is

1583
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 4: very doable, but it takes work, and you've got to

1584
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 4: have the right tools.

1585
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,719
Speaker 1: That's gonna say. And those tools aren't in our top

1586
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 1: five item list, right.

1587
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,519
Speaker 4: No, we could throw that in there. Actually, uh, we

1588
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 4: have a recovery strap in here, a max tracks recovery.

1589
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 4: We could just throw in there a ratchet strap, a

1590
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 4: two inch ratchet strap, really bomber ratchet trap, because that's

1591
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 4: what you would need, and an air compressor to reseat

1592
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 4: the bead. So you put the strap around the middle

1593
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 4: of it, yep, and you just ratchet it down, ratchet

1594
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,320
Speaker 4: it down, ratchet it down as tight as you can,

1595
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 4: and you basically you're squeezing the inside of the tire

1596
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 4: on the rim as much as you can, which is

1597
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 4: causing the edges, the the bead of the tire to

1598
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 4: want to pop out because you're squishing the middle and

1599
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 4: you just ratchet it down as tight as you can.

1600
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 4: That's why you need a really good one because it's

1601
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 4: going to take a lot of effort. If you have

1602
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 4: those ten plaid tires, this is gonna you're gonna be sweating.

1603
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of effort. Yeah, So you

1604
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 4: get that as best you can, and then you hit

1605
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 4: that with a shot of air and help that punch

1606
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 4: out and reseat the bead, put some more air in

1607
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 4: with your air compressor, and then you can release the

1608
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 4: ratchet strap and air up the rest of the way.

1609
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,639
Speaker 4: There are other meta kids out there that are far

1610
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 4: more dangerous that you've probably seen all over the internet,

1611
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 4: where you shoot a bunch of ether in there and

1612
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 4: light a match and see what happens. We do not

1613
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 4: recommend you do that unless you really know what you're doing,

1614
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 4: so we'll just leave it at that.

1615
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right. So next on our list of

1616
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:28,839
Speaker 1: recovery items top five here for Clay is recovery boards.

1617
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, hands down, hands down, And this is above a winch,

1618
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 4: because a winch takes skill sets, so very you got

1619
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 4: to have the right tools. You should probably have a

1620
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 4: little bit of training. You got to know what to do,

1621
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 4: You've got to be in the right environment. So that's

1622
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 4: why I met a max track or a recovery board.

1623
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 4: Traction boards, however, whatever you want to call it, comes

1624
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 4: into play because anybody can use them. They're extremely safe,

1625
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 4: they weigh nothing. Then you throw them in the back

1626
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 4: of the truck and you're just there. They're waiting for

1627
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 4: you when you need them, and they help in a

1628
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 4: lot of ways. So Jordan, back to your situation where

1629
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 4: you d yeh been kind of sunk down. You got

1630
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 4: broken through the crust on the top and it was

1631
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 4: super soft underneath, and you just couldn't get the momentum

1632
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 4: again to get going right. Because your immobilization falls down

1633
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:25,599
Speaker 4: to two things. You either need traction or momentum. Because

1634
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 4: if you have a lot of momentum, you cannot have

1635
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,600
Speaker 4: a lot of traction and get through stuff right. You

1636
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 4: can just plow your way through it. If you don't

1637
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:36,719
Speaker 4: have traction, you can't get momentum. So this is where

1638
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 4: recovery boards come into play. You put them, you give

1639
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 4: the tire the appropriate runway to get momentum back. So

1640
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,480
Speaker 4: you put them under your tire, you kick them in.

1641
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 4: In your case, in the snow, you would kick them

1642
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 4: in as far as you can, doesn't matter what traction

1643
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 4: board you use. You do not want to spin the

1644
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 4: tires on the traction board because it generates excessive heat

1645
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:06,759
Speaker 4: very quickly. And alike on max tracks, it says molded

1646
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 4: right into the traction board, it says no wheel spin.

1647
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 4: So you kick them in as far as you can.

1648
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 4: You've probably aired down a little bit so your tire

1649
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 4: has better grip already.

1650
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 1: And quick questions do you need to do you need

1651
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 1: to do any shoveling like beforehand?

1652
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 4: Oftentimes yes, and these work great as their own shovel.

1653
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 4: You flip them over and you just use them to

1654
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 4: dig themselves. So what you're wanting is the best approach

1655
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 4: angle or departure angle from the tire to wherever you

1656
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 4: have to get up on top of. You don't want

1657
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 4: it to be extremely steep. You know, you want it

1658
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 4: to be the lowest angle possible because that's going to

1659
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 4: increase your chances of success. So get that kicked in there,

1660
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 4: shovel out the stuff that you got to shovel out

1661
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 4: and then get them pushed in there, go to four

1662
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,959
Speaker 4: wheel drive, and then either drive forward or drive backwards,

1663
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 4: depending on your situation. That's another benefit of traction boards

1664
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 4: because they work in both directions, whereas a winch does

1665
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 4: work primarily in one unless you have extremely good skill

1666
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 4: sets and lots of stuff to make it go in reverse.

1667
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 4: So traction boards they weigh nothing, they're cheaper than a wench,

1668
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 4: they require no electricity or hookups or and they get

1669
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,759
Speaker 4: you out of most things.

1670
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,080
Speaker 3: And you like these Max tracks.

1671
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:35,160
Speaker 4: Max Tracks, they're the original. The owner is a good

1672
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 4: friend of mine. I'll always preach for Max Tracks. Their

1673
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 4: compounds are the best. They're single point injection molded. There's

1674
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 4: a reason they cost more. They hold up far better

1675
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 4: in the cold.

1676
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what do you think about the Mini ones?

1677
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 4: I have a set of the Mini Ones, and I

1678
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 4: actually have friends that are traveling around the world and

1679
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 4: a tundra with a camper on the back, and they

1680
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 4: chose the minis just to save weight and they are

1681
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 4: getting around the world world on the minis. Yeah, so

1682
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 4: they're pretty cool. They're made for side by sides and stuff,

1683
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 4: but people are finding more uses for them than just that.

1684
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 1: I'd say, what are they roughly three feet long? The

1685
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: regular sized one? Yeah? Yeah, Which is there an instance

1686
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: where you would use them sort of? I don't know,

1687
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: as steps to get out of a longer problem where

1688
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: where Okay, you got really stuck. You put your traction

1689
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 1: boards in, you were able to move forward three feet,

1690
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: but then as soon as you rolled off the traction boards,

1691
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 1: you're stuck again again. Just pull them out, reset them

1692
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 1: forward to your tires and just keep moving forward like

1693
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: that three feet at a time. Is there or any

1694
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: other tips that you would do?

1695
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 4: Then the beauty is to have your buddies have a

1696
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 4: set as well. You didn't have four, now you have eight,

1697
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:55,599
Speaker 4: and you can literally build a road and get out.

1698
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 4: We have done that. We did it in British Columbia

1699
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 4: several years ten years ago now, but we were using

1700
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 4: winches and max tracks at the same time because we

1701
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 4: were so epically stuck and we just built the Egyptian

1702
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 4: road one in front of the other, one in front

1703
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 4: of the other for a mile and we got oute forever.

1704
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 1: What kind of conditions?

1705
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 4: Now we were in British Columbia, let's he was in February,

1706
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 4: and we were just driving down some of their backcountry

1707
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 4: roads and we got hit with a massive snowstorm in

1708
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 4: the middle of that trip, and the road that we

1709
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 4: had to go down to get out had not been

1710
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 4: traveled yet, so we were just buried. So we used

1711
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 4: all the tools at our disposal through some of the

1712
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 4: worst patches, which involved like eight or twelve max tracks

1713
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 4: and winches.

1714
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Okay, and you said instead of having four, you'd have

1715
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: eight if your buddy had a set, which means that

1716
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: you're carrying four on it, because I think I just

1717
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 1: got a set for my birthday, but I'm pretty sure

1718
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 1: I was only given two. So do you recommend carrying

1719
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 1: four of these things if.

1720
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 4: You're in snow?

1721
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: Four is?

1722
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:12,639
Speaker 4: Really it gives you so many more options. Probably fifty

1723
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 4: sixty percent of the time you can get out with

1724
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 4: only two. But having a set of four is really

1725
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 4: the magic number, got it? Because that allows all four

1726
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 4: tires that have traction with a four wheel drive to

1727
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 4: find traction and push and extract, versus relying on only

1728
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 4: two tires to hopefully have enough traction to get you out.

1729
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 4: You know, And when we're talking about big hunting rigs

1730
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 4: and heavy stuff.

1731
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 1: Four is good.

1732
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 4: So your next birthday or Father's Day coming up for something,

1733
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 4: maybe a couple more.

1734
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 1: I'll ask for two more.

1735
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Well next you have like a high lift

1736
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 2: jack or a hydraulic jack.

1737
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 3: Is that just to change your tire or you use

1738
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 3: that for more things?

1739
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 4: Well, a high lift jack can be used for more

1740
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 4: than just changing a tire. They be They can push

1741
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 4: and pull, so you can spread things apart with them,

1742
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 4: or you can lift things up. So they are a

1743
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 4: very handy tool. That's why farmers and ranchers make sure

1744
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 4: they're in the back of each truck. Because they can

1745
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:22,719
Speaker 4: build fence with them. They can winch things closer together

1746
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 4: with them. They can lift a lot of stuff, they

1747
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 4: can pull things out. High lifts are very multi they're

1748
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 4: the multi tool of a off road vehicle. But they

1749
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 4: do come with risk. You need to really know what

1750
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 4: you're doing. You need to a lot of people have

1751
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 4: gotten hurt by them. You know. The rule of thumb

1752
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 4: is always wear gloves, have WD forty. If your high

1753
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 4: left jack isn't working, it's probably because it needs lubrication.

1754
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 4: So you always if you have a high left jack,

1755
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 4: you need to have a little bottle of WD forty

1756
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 4: taped to that thing, you know, and so you can

1757
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 4: lubricate it to get the springs and the pins working correctly. Uh.

1758
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 4: And then you never when you're operating it. You never

1759
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 4: put your face over the bar as you're lifting something,

1760
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 4: because if it slips all that way to the vehicle,

1761
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 4: is going to fling that bar back up. And a

1762
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 4: lot of people have lost some teeth and been pretty

1763
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 4: hurt by those things. So I just need to know

1764
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 4: what you're doing. Still one of the best staples out there,

1765
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:21,599
Speaker 4: that's why we have on this list. I hydraulic jack.

1766
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 4: There's a couple of companies out there that make these now.

1767
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 4: Eagle makes one and ARB And it's a hydraulic piston.

1768
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 4: So you you has a handle that you hydraulically lift

1769
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 4: something and you can use a valve to lower it

1770
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:43,799
Speaker 4: much safer, but it has limited use. It can't multi purpose.

1771
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 4: Is a high lift, but they're much safer and that's

1772
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 4: actually what we carry now in our vehicles.

1773
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 2: Nice that's what I have too, like a high it's

1774
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,719
Speaker 2: a it's a big I think it's a big red.

1775
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who makes that, but it's like a

1776
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 2: big red hydraulic jack. I think it's a two ton

1777
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 2: maybe yeah.

1778
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 4: Yep, perfect, And you want to try to have two

1779
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 4: times the weight of the vehicle on your jack to

1780
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 4: be as safe as possible. Of course there's safety margins

1781
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 4: above that, but unless you know exactly who's built, they

1782
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 4: always have at least two times the weight.

1783
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be so. But in the case of getting unstuck,

1784
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 1: how would you use these jacks in a would you

1785
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 1: ever use it and just I'm stuck in deep snow

1786
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 1: or I got stuck in a mud hole situation, or

1787
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,480
Speaker 1: where does it come into play in recovery?

1788
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, So your high lift or your high centered situation,

1789
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,680
Speaker 4: you got to lift the frame up and then so

1790
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:42,839
Speaker 4: what you can do is you can lift the vehicle

1791
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 4: up and then block underneath the tires and then drive

1792
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,360
Speaker 4: off of it. Versus trying to chip out whatever you're

1793
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 4: high centered on. You actually just physically lift the vehicle

1794
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 4: and fill the hole. Maybe you've dug your tire spun

1795
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 4: and you sunk the the truck onto whatever you're high

1796
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 4: centered on, lift the vehicle, fill in the hole with

1797
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:09,679
Speaker 4: whatever material is around, rocks, more sand, tree branches, whatever

1798
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 4: you got to do, right, and then you set the

1799
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 4: vehicle back down and drive off.

1800
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, got it.

1801
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 4: And if you have to swap a tire, perhaps your

1802
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 4: tires so badly damage that you can't repair it with

1803
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 4: a plug, then you will need one of these tools

1804
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 4: to make a safe tire swap it in the back country.

1805
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: And the reason you won't be able to use just

1806
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,679
Speaker 1: the jack that the truck came with is.

1807
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully you can because it's still the best option.

1808
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 4: It just but the jack that your vehicle came with

1809
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 4: is very limited in its reach, so it's built for

1810
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 4: the stock's tire size and on flat ground and the

1811
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 4: concrete in the shop, so you either need to be

1812
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,719
Speaker 4: able to lift the jack up with a block of wood.

1813
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:02,799
Speaker 4: American Expedition vehicles may an awesome stand that takes your

1814
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 4: factory jack and lifts it up and supports it. So

1815
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,799
Speaker 4: when you put a taller tire on, now you've lifted

1816
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 4: the vehicle right, that allows your factory jack to still

1817
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 4: lift the vehicle, so you and then there's situations when

1818
01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 4: a factory jack just won't work. So let's take your

1819
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 4: high centered in the snow, getting a jack under there

1820
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 4: under the you know, digging out the snow, trying to

1821
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 4: get a jack to work under an axle when you're

1822
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 4: high centered, versus getting a high lift jack out being

1823
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 4: able to of course, you need the proper mounting position

1824
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 4: on the vehicle that won't damage it rear bumper, side

1825
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 4: rails or using a tire lift with the high lift jack.

1826
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 4: But that allows I mean, you have sixty inches of

1827
01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 4: lifting capability versus maybe the thirteen inches or well or

1828
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 4: so tops of a factory jack.

1829
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,760
Speaker 1: Got it. Yeah, okay, so it sounds like we could

1830
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 1: do a whole other podcast just on you.

1831
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1832
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, high lift jacks.

1833
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 4: The short story there is carry both, okay, because if

1834
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 4: you can use the smaller one, it's it's safer, it's

1835
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 4: more calculated. We use them all the time. But when

1836
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 4: you need a high left jack, you need a high

1837
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 4: left jack.

1838
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1839
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah nice. Okay.

1840
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 3: What about recovery straps?

1841
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 4: Now, well, this is this is a simple one. If

1842
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:34,959
Speaker 4: you are with a buddy or someone comes along, uh,

1843
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 4: extracting somebody with a recovery strap is going to probably

1844
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 4: be your quickest solution. Someone that can come up behind

1845
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 4: you who still has traction, hook a strap up to

1846
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 4: you and pull you backwards. Now, I must say that

1847
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 4: This is a recovery strap, not a toe strap. A

1848
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 4: toe strap has uh is a static line, has very

1849
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 4: little flex. It's designed to toe with constant force. You know,

1850
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 4: get your truck to the shop and that's.

1851
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: That's what you buy normally. If you just go down

1852
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,639
Speaker 1: to O'Reilly and you buy one of those straps, you're

1853
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 1: gonna be buying a toe strap, right.

1854
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And anymore they offer both right there. The recovery

1855
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 4: strap has become very popular, Like go down to O'Reilly

1856
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 4: or Murdocks. There's gonna be a toe strap on one side,

1857
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 4: and then there's gonna be a recovery strap on the other.

1858
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 4: And a recovery strap is dynamic, so it stretches and

1859
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 4: that helps take the load of when you back up,

1860
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:40,960
Speaker 4: it expands like a rubber band, and then it loads

1861
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 4: the energy into the strap and lifts and pulls the

1862
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 4: other vehicle out versus just slamming it like if it

1863
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 4: was a steel cable. You know, that's really hard on stuff.

1864
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 4: Back to that mechanical sympathy, and because I'm thinking of

1865
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 4: it right now, never ever ever recover anyone from a

1866
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 4: toeball of a hitch.

1867
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 1: I guarantee you seventy the people listening, they are like, oh,

1868
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 1: I did that. One did that? I know I have.

1869
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 4: So a toe ball is designed to take static load

1870
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 4: straight down from a trailer yea tongue weight. It is

1871
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:25,040
Speaker 4: not designed to take the im massive energy load from

1872
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 4: the side they shear. And now what you've done is

1873
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 4: effectively made a slingshot. So you've slapped your toe strap.

1874
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 4: That is dynamic, it stretches, you throw it over the

1875
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 4: toe ball, your buddy backs up and that towball shears

1876
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:46,240
Speaker 4: and it's wrapped in your toe strap and it flings

1877
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 4: it through the windshield of the recovery vehicle. And just

1878
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, a family, a dad was

1879
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,719
Speaker 4: killed with his family in the car doing this thing,

1880
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 4: this very thing, So it.

1881
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 2: Is everybody that was killed killed doing the same thing.

1882
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 2: Got stuck in the ditch and they they were trying

1883
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 2: to pull him backwards and they hit the end of

1884
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 2: it and it broke. The ball off, went through his

1885
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 2: through the topper, through both windows of the topper back

1886
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 2: window of the pickup, and hit him in the back

1887
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 2: of the head and killed him.

1888
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: Wow.

1889
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's enough right there, guys, Like, if

1890
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 4: you're listening out there and you see this happening on

1891
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 4: the trail, you need to stop someone from doing it.

1892
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 4: Holy and now yeah, the uh, the solution is take

1893
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 4: the hitch out and put the pin in it. Just

1894
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 4: thread it through the hitch and then use the pin

1895
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 4: because the pin is designed to take that load, not

1896
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 4: the hitchball.

1897
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 1: Okay, because those those toes straps or recovery straps have

1898
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: But so are you saying don't ever use a toe

1899
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 1: strap in this situation always or or or or can

1900
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 1: you sometimes get away with it?

1901
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 4: Well, if you're stuck, you're stuck. You got to use

1902
01:47:01,240 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 4: the tools at hand. But if you have your option,

1903
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 4: you will not use a toe strap. If you do

1904
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 4: have to use a toe strap, you will find you

1905
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 4: will take it to tension. You will never shockload it right.

1906
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 4: So you can, if all you have is a toe strap,

1907
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 4: hook it up to both vehicles, back the one up

1908
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 4: until there is proper tension slowly you know there's tension

1909
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 4: on the line, and then you use it in a

1910
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 4: static line, just backing up smooth, don't let it go

1911
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 4: to slack, and then load because the strap's not going

1912
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 4: to stretch something. Whatever is the weakest link will break first,

1913
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,360
Speaker 4: whether it's a bumper getting ripped off a truck or

1914
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 4: the trap the strap braking. You just don't know.

1915
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: And the recovery straps do they come with pre formed

1916
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:54,759
Speaker 1: loops at the ends, just like a toe strap. They do, yep, okay.

1917
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 1: And so you would just take your pin out and

1918
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: then kind of shove that loop into the I guess

1919
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 1: the receiver in there, and then run the pin back

1920
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 1: in And that's how you would That's that's you're saying,

1921
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 1: that's a viable way to attach the strap to the

1922
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:11,759
Speaker 1: to the vehicle.

1923
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 4: That would be the minimalistic worst case scenario, how you

1924
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:19,640
Speaker 4: would hook that up. The best case scenario is that

1925
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 4: you carry a hitch recovery system. It's just another hitch

1926
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 4: that you put in there that you were allowed to

1927
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 4: put a clevice into it where you hook the strap

1928
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,839
Speaker 4: to the clevis and that clevis attaches to the receiver

1929
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 4: and use all the strength of the towbar through that

1930
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 4: and it's still relying on the pin, but it's much

1931
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 4: more efficient. There's no sharp edges, and they're very affordable.

1932
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 4: They're you know, forty fifty bucks for one of those.

1933
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 4: I have mine sitting in the back. It slides into

1934
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 4: the receiver. It replaces the ball and then it just

1935
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 4: has an end on it that you can put a

1936
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 4: d ring. A lot of people call them d rings,

1937
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:06,679
Speaker 4: but it's a clevis. You put a clevis in there.

1938
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 4: A bow shackle is technically its name. Put the bow

1939
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 4: shackle through the strap into the hitch there and off

1940
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 4: you go. You you are safe.

1941
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,519
Speaker 2: I have another example of what not to do Y

1942
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 2: when I was when I was I don't know, I

1943
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:34,719
Speaker 2: was in high school.

1944
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 3: I think.

1945
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 2: We were doing stuff with the tractor. I got the

1946
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 2: tractor stuck. My dad went to pull me out. Well,

1947
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 2: dealing with what you have, we have. We have a

1948
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 2: giant recovery rope. It's like that that big you know,

1949
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,759
Speaker 2: just like a huge one for the tractor or whatever.

1950
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 2: We didn't have our d ring, so we had a

1951
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 2: piece of chain that we chained around. So what we

1952
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 2: did was we hit the end of that, the chain broke.

1953
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 2: The whole thing's loaded, comes back at me and goes

1954
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 2: through the windshield of the tractor. And what probably saved

1955
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 2: me was it hit the front of the hood of

1956
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 2: the tractor first and then bounced up into the windshield,

1957
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:17,519
Speaker 2: so it didn't come all the way through the windshield

1958
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 2: at me. But another example of like, don't do that.

1959
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 2: It could have been Yeah, I could have been pretty

1960
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 2: badly hurting. That scared both of us.

1961
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 4: And uh, you're lucky to be that's you're lucky to

1962
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 4: be on this podcast.

1963
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 3: No, I know, yeah, I know.

1964
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's so what do you do? Because

1965
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: obviously it's like, Okay, you got your setup, so you

1966
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:41,599
Speaker 1: can rig your shock to be connected properly to the strap.

1967
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: But you're let's just say you do your you are

1968
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: pulling out a stranger and they don't have they don't

1969
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 1: have any of this, and they don't have the hooks

1970
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 1: that are built into a lot of rigs. Now either,

1971
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 1: what are you attached to? And how sure?

1972
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 4: So I carry stuff for the for the other guy

1973
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 4: who's not prepared, and I do it selfishly because I

1974
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 4: don't want to damage my stuff because you got to

1975
01:51:06,479 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 4: help them, Yeah, and especially here in Montana, and you

1976
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:14,080
Speaker 4: know it's the way of the West, right, we help

1977
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 4: each other. Yeah. And so there's straps that you can

1978
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 4: buy that can wrap an axle. There's which is still

1979
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 4: not your best situation. Anytime you can use legitimate toe

1980
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:36,560
Speaker 4: points like people's hitches or there are some factory recovery

1981
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:40,600
Speaker 4: points that come from the factory that are legitimate. Not

1982
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 4: all of them are. So some of those hooks that

1983
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:46,280
Speaker 4: you see on the bottom of trucks, those are only

1984
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 4: to be able to be tied down on the assembly line.

1985
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, or to help in towing the truck

1986
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 4: whatever it is, to the dealership where it will be sold,

1987
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 4: and they stay on it. So they're not always the best.

1988
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 4: So you use your best judgment there depends on the

1989
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,040
Speaker 4: forces that you're going to use and all that. How

1990
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 4: have you ever, recovery is this? Some of those little

1991
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 4: hooks really aren't the best, So just be smart. I

1992
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 4: carry extra straps that I can wrap things with and

1993
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 4: attach my dynamic straps to with bow shackles or now

1994
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 4: a really common thing is soft shackles, and they're even better.

1995
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:35,600
Speaker 4: We've pretty much replaced all of our d rings with

1996
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,679
Speaker 4: soft shackles. They kind of look like Chinese finger traps.

1997
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 4: They have a loop on one end and a knot

1998
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 4: on the other and you can slide them open and

1999
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 4: wrap it around and put the knot through the opening,

2000
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 4: and that's actually what you use to recover from. It

2001
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 4: creates a closed system and it's fabric. They weigh nothing

2002
01:52:58,360 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 4: and they're super strong.

2003
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,479
Speaker 1: Wrap that around pretty much anything, right, You could wrap

2004
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 1: that around an axle if you had to.

2005
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 4: Yep, there's good flexibility to those two. So I carry,

2006
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:13,400
Speaker 4: you know, being me the industry I'm in, I carry

2007
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 4: bow shackles and I carry soft shackles, but I carry

2008
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 4: mostly soft shackles. Now, I keep a couple of the

2009
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 4: other bow shackles with me, but like, I'll carry four

2010
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 4: soft shackles.

2011
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 1: And will you, will you Clay be able to do

2012
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 1: us and all of our listeners a favor and maybe

2013
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: run through a lot of these items that we've talked

2014
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: about and just make up a quick list with a

2015
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: couple examples and links to some of these items, because

2016
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like right now, I'm like, I'm trying to

2017
01:53:40,160 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: pay attention to our conversation, but I'm thinking I need

2018
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: to make a list. Yeah, sure of stuff I need

2019
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 1: to go by.

2020
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,599
Speaker 4: So the probably the most trusted, it is, the most

2021
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:53,800
Speaker 4: trusted recovery company in the United States is warn They've

2022
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 4: been around for seventy five years. This is their seventy

2023
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 4: fifth anniversary this year.

2024
01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 1: Same ones that make the winches, right, they.

2025
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 4: Make the winches, but they also make all the recovery stuff,

2026
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 4: so they are in the business of recovery, so they

2027
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:08,680
Speaker 4: have great snatch straps. They have great kits that you

2028
01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 4: can buy, and to me, it's a no brainer to

2029
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,240
Speaker 4: buy the kits. They have their Epic kit, they have

2030
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 4: the New Factor fifty five. It's a company that they

2031
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 4: purchased really high end stuff if you're looking into the

2032
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:26,240
Speaker 4: very best. But they have their budget kits too, which

2033
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 4: are perfect for the hunting truck. It comes with a

2034
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 4: little bag, it's got everything you need in there to

2035
01:54:33,160 --> 01:54:37,400
Speaker 4: run a winch and to have safe extractions in tow.

2036
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 4: It's a no brainer to just buy the kit. And

2037
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 4: they're on Amazon. I would say support your local off

2038
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 4: road shop or shop that has it. That would be

2039
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 4: much better. But yeah, they're easy to get, they're widely

2040
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 4: available and that's a great place to start. Beyond that,

2041
01:54:57,680 --> 01:55:02,960
Speaker 4: Max Tracks Same Recovery store. Where you know your off road,

2042
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,440
Speaker 4: your your dark horse, customs, your wherever you are in

2043
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 4: the world, there's an off road shop pretty close or

2044
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 4: a good shop online that can support you there. Try

2045
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 4: to support those local businesses as much as you can.

2046
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 4: They go for about when are they three hundred a

2047
01:55:19,640 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 4: pair now for max tracks. Ye, and that again buy once,

2048
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 4: cry once when it when when it comes to that,

2049
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 4: because they're going to hold up then they have great warranty.

2050
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 4: What else have we got? We got High Left Jack

2051
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 4: High Left is. Don't buy the Chinese version there. It

2052
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 4: comes down to how they're made, the metallurgy and the

2053
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 4: quality of the metal. So buy an American Maid High

2054
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 4: Lift if you can. The Hydraula Jack ARB is probably

2055
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 4: the easiest one to get a hold of, and they

2056
01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 4: are also sold at the same place as these other

2057
01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 4: ones are all the recovery straps, et cetera. What else

2058
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 4: we got Tire repair kit AARB makes a great one.

2059
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 4: You can eat The slime version at Walmart is yeah,

2060
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:09,680
Speaker 4: pretty dang good.

2061
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: You know I've used that too. Yeah, that's Meat Eater

2062
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 1: Crew approved. Because we saw often travel and then just

2063
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 1: rent a suburban that in rental vehicles. I'n't even heard

2064
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 1: of other groups like going and buying new tires and

2065
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 1: having them put onto their rental vehicles to when they

2066
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: go in and do a hunt for a week and

2067
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:35,320
Speaker 1: then just eating the cost of that. But anyways, we

2068
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 1: haven't done that, but we've bought those kits that you're saying,

2069
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 1: those green slime ones at Walmart, And I mean we

2070
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:42,680
Speaker 1: had a trip in New Mexico where I mean we

2071
01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:44,920
Speaker 1: had to go back to get more plugs. I think

2072
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 1: because we were ripping through so many tires. It's just

2073
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:50,280
Speaker 1: that weird kind of sharp rock I guess that was

2074
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 1: on these roads and the tires were super cheap. And yeah,

2075
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: rental tires can get you in a bad place real quick.

2076
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, those uh, those green slime kits, I can

2077
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: tell you they.

2078
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 4: Work pre day and good. And these uh portable air

2079
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:07,880
Speaker 4: compressors from arb or vay Air you can fly with

2080
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 4: them and oh cool. Yeah, throw them in the box,

2081
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 4: put them in as part of your check checked luggage.

2082
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 1: The rental car hilarious.

2083
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 4: You know, the most capable off road vehicle in the

2084
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 4: world is a rental car, and everyone likes to use

2085
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 4: them like that too, So make sure that you carry

2086
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 4: with what you've done there. Have a tire repair kit

2087
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 4: and an air compressor, and you can you can tackle

2088
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff. It brings you a lot of

2089
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 4: peace of mind.

2090
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, until you just have worn through all the

2091
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: tires and then you realize you got to start swapping

2092
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:40,200
Speaker 1: tires from one rental to another, just so you can

2093
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 1: get the broken tires down into town to get them fixed. Yeah,

2094
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: that's where we got to on that trip. All right,

2095
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:50,919
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's see that was the top five items,

2096
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:54,240
Speaker 1: but there's a few additional options and I carry some

2097
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 1: of these things. Let's rip through a couple of the

2098
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,120
Speaker 1: those are top five and I'm kind of surprised that

2099
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:02,640
Speaker 1: a shovel didn't make your top five kit.

2100
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 4: Well, if you have recovery boards, you kind of already

2101
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 4: have a shovel, I see. So if definitely you're going

2102
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,200
Speaker 4: to carry more than five things, you should, you know,

2103
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 4: but for the sake of you know, keeping things simple,

2104
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 4: the best five things. But yeah, quickly into number six.

2105
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 4: We have like the first aid kit. We called it

2106
01:58:25,120 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 4: the vehicle first Aid Kit, and that has tire repair,

2107
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 4: a shovel. A first aid kit should be in every vehicle,

2108
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 4: not one that's in your pack. It's one that's dedicated

2109
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 4: to the vehicle, YEP, headlamps and recovery strap, which is

2110
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 4: part of just that first aid kit that you know,

2111
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 4: go buy that kit from warn or whoever Max Tracts

2112
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:51,320
Speaker 4: makes one to whoever. Just have that as part of

2113
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 4: your vehicle first aid kit. Yeah, and a shovel. A

2114
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:58,880
Speaker 4: shovel is a shovel. You don't have to spend lots

2115
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,480
Speaker 4: of money on a shovel. There's lots of ways you can.

2116
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, even if you go get that

2117
01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 4: rental car and you're hunting somewhere and flew from Montana

2118
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 4: to New Mexico, roll into you know, home depot and

2119
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:15,320
Speaker 4: buy the fifteen dollars shovel with a long handle, as

2120
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:16,960
Speaker 4: flat as it can be so you can get under

2121
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 4: a stuck vehicle. Don't want one with a lot of

2122
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 4: curve to.

2123
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 1: It, so you would recommend more like the square shape

2124
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 1: what do they call it, like a transfersion, like.

2125
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 3: A scoop shovel.

2126
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:32,720
Speaker 4: I always go with the spade, Okay, yeah, go spade, Yeah,

2127
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 4: just because go ahead.

2128
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2129
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 2: One I've been using for snow is an avalanche shovel

2130
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,400
Speaker 2: because they're smaller, not quite as wide as like a

2131
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 2: regular scoop shovel, and they're just more compact. The handle

2132
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:52,920
Speaker 2: can telescope at least the ones that we have perfect. Yeah,

2133
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 2: it's just like it's small, super easy to use, and

2134
01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:57,560
Speaker 2: you I like it.

2135
01:59:57,640 --> 02:00:01,919
Speaker 4: I think every year Costco does a on cheap snow shovels,

2136
02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:06,040
Speaker 4: and a lot of our cars around here have a

2137
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 4: Costco snow shovel thrown in the back with all that stuff.

2138
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 4: So if you want to go really high end, you

2139
02:00:11,800 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 4: get into demo shovels. They're made out of salt lake

2140
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 4: and they're they're like the Gucci of snow shovels, you know,

2141
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:22,200
Speaker 4: or cars with specialty mounts and all that stuff. We've

2142
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 4: worked with them for years too, and good stuff. But yeah,

2143
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 4: have a shovel, have.

2144
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:31,560
Speaker 1: A shovel, Okay, And then you had a couple additional

2145
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 1: options written down there to number one with battery jump.

2146
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 4: So some of this comes down to just rounding out

2147
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 4: back to the immobilization due to power or due to

2148
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 4: fuel or due to you know, mechanical stuff, right, so

2149
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 4: battery jump back. The next most likely thing that happens,

2150
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:53,839
Speaker 4: what would make you immobilized is you have a dead battery.

2151
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,600
Speaker 4: You can't you know, you you were excited on the

2152
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:59,480
Speaker 4: trail that morning, you left the key on a little bit,

2153
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:01,640
Speaker 4: and by the next day when you come back after

2154
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 4: your overnight, your truck is dead. So have and you're

2155
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:07,520
Speaker 4: at the end of a trailhead. Hopefully you're hunting where

2156
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 4: no one else is, so there's probably not anyone else coming.

2157
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,040
Speaker 4: You need to be self sufficient, have a battery pack

2158
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:17,240
Speaker 4: with you. You can jump yourself with one of those

2159
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 4: tire chains we've talked about that that they can be

2160
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 4: extremely beneficial and really deep snow when you've got to

2161
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 4: keep moving and mud to back east will in eastern Montana,

2162
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 4: you'll use these in the gumbo and they'll get you

2163
02:01:31,320 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 4: out too, because it's just it's just grabbing a lot

2164
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:36,360
Speaker 4: of material and throwing it that's allowing you to move forward.

2165
02:01:38,440 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 4: A winch, you know there we've talked about simple things

2166
02:01:43,040 --> 02:01:46,240
Speaker 4: that require no skills and you know, or hookups, but

2167
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:48,920
Speaker 4: there's a time when you need a winch. You need

2168
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:52,160
Speaker 4: a winch because you're working with heavy machinery. At this point,

2169
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:55,080
Speaker 4: your car's weigh a lot and if there's a certain

2170
02:01:55,080 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 4: point where you need true recovery mechanical advantages of a

2171
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 4: winch to get you out. A five can jerry can

2172
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:09,440
Speaker 4: five sorry, five gallon jerry can of gas or diesel,

2173
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 4: and it'll help that that guy you come across, guy

2174
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:16,200
Speaker 4: or gal that you come across. It'll allows you to

2175
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:18,520
Speaker 4: be a good neighbor or it'll get you out if

2176
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 4: you make a mistake, you know, or whatnot. And then

2177
02:02:23,160 --> 02:02:26,560
Speaker 4: carry your factory jacks right there. That's on there, and

2178
02:02:26,640 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 4: your optional additions. Make sure you have your factory jacks. Yeah,

2179
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 4: and then other stuff simple things. Fuses, you know, that's

2180
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,680
Speaker 4: the next thing that could cause something to go wrong.

2181
02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:41,320
Speaker 4: Make sure you have spare fuses in the club box. Yeah,

2182
02:02:42,440 --> 02:02:44,520
Speaker 4: that gets pretty far. And then a toolkit, you know,

2183
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,960
Speaker 4: have some basic tools. Go to home depot or wherever

2184
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 4: and buy the the general one hundred and fifty piece

2185
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:54,240
Speaker 4: set or whatever and have it sitting in the back

2186
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 4: so that you can.

2187
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 3: Do some bas how to use it too and know

2188
02:02:58,040 --> 02:02:59,800
Speaker 3: how to like know how to fix stuff.

2189
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. On there, work on your own cars a little bit.

2190
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 4: You know, we're all real busy and we're trying to

2191
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:07,200
Speaker 4: save as much time as we can in places. But

2192
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 4: you know there's an advantage to working on your truck

2193
02:03:09,320 --> 02:03:13,280
Speaker 4: a little bit and have that experience before you before

2194
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:13,800
Speaker 4: you need it.

2195
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:16,879
Speaker 1: Well, what would you say is that is the common

2196
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:22,480
Speaker 1: mechanical failure that can actually be fixed in the back country.

2197
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:26,440
Speaker 4: Right off the bat, obviously is tires fixing. That's the

2198
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:30,840
Speaker 4: most common failure point and have all these different ways

2199
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,240
Speaker 4: of being fixed. As we discussed, Let's see what else.

2200
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of lug nuts, sheared off tires,

2201
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:45,880
Speaker 4: you know, carry some spare lugs. That's fixable in the field.

2202
02:03:46,360 --> 02:03:49,960
Speaker 4: Let's see hoses usually, but you know a lot of

2203
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:52,840
Speaker 4: these are avoidable if you're really into the maintenance of

2204
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:56,800
Speaker 4: your vehicle. Look at it. My grandpa always used to

2205
02:03:56,840 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 4: say that your truck talks to you. Just listen it.

2206
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:05,360
Speaker 4: Just the squeaks, the sounds, the new vibrations, and chase them.

2207
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:08,720
Speaker 4: Don't just assume, don't normalize. Say what is that? And

2208
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 4: go find it? And that'll that'll keep you out of

2209
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 4: being immobilized a lot.

2210
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 3: Awesome.

2211
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 1: Okay, last, but not least, a lot of stuff you

2212
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:29,120
Speaker 1: gotta carry, keep organized, keep, most likely hopefully tucked away

2213
02:04:29,240 --> 02:04:32,600
Speaker 1: and not really using. So where do you put all

2214
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:34,520
Speaker 1: this stuff? What's give me?

2215
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:34,720
Speaker 4: Like?

2216
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:38,360
Speaker 1: I know, there's the ex overland version of organizing, and

2217
02:04:38,360 --> 02:04:41,360
Speaker 1: then there's also the hey, like can I just chuck

2218
02:04:41,360 --> 02:04:43,640
Speaker 1: it in a five gallon bucket and bungee cord it

2219
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:46,160
Speaker 1: to the you know, the front end of my bed?

2220
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Like what do you recommend there?

2221
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? So uh. Number one, make sure you have it

2222
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:53,800
Speaker 4: even if you don't have a way to secure it

2223
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:55,480
Speaker 4: very well, make sure you do have it on your

2224
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:59,200
Speaker 4: next adventure. These things to save to save you from

2225
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:04,840
Speaker 4: the adventure you don't want. But storage solutions is the

2226
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:08,200
Speaker 4: next big topic here, and we use all kinds of things.

2227
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 4: There's drawer systems that you can order that fit into

2228
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:15,440
Speaker 4: the back of your SUVs or truck beds. Decked is

2229
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:19,040
Speaker 4: a good one outback solutions from a RB Goose Gear

2230
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:23,400
Speaker 4: out of California. There's a lot of systems that we

2231
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 4: can get into later on organizing your truck. But the

2232
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:30,440
Speaker 4: important thing here is the principle called load and lash,

2233
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:33,360
Speaker 4: and this applies to more than just the stuff that

2234
02:05:33,400 --> 02:05:36,720
Speaker 4: we're throwing in the truck here. This applies to your

2235
02:05:36,720 --> 02:05:39,240
Speaker 4: equipment and your gear, and your rifles and your bows

2236
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 4: and all that have a way to secure it down,

2237
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:45,680
Speaker 4: strap it down. Because in the event of an accident,

2238
02:05:45,960 --> 02:05:50,400
Speaker 4: a lot of people are hurt in rollovers and in

2239
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:55,320
Speaker 4: accidents by the materials inside their car, not the accident itself.

2240
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:57,760
Speaker 4: People have been killed by the things that don't need

2241
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:00,480
Speaker 4: to be killed from the stuff flying around the vehicle.

2242
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:04,280
Speaker 4: So the way I look at it. When I'm doing

2243
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:06,640
Speaker 4: best practice. I look at my vehicle and said, okay,

2244
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:09,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to have a rollover today. How does my

2245
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 4: vehicle look? What do I need to throw a strap

2246
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 4: over it? And especially when you got kids and all

2247
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:19,120
Speaker 4: that stuff, think that one next step because it may

2248
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 4: not be your fault, maybe somebody else hitting you or

2249
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:26,120
Speaker 4: God forbid you know, look at Okay, if I have

2250
02:06:26,200 --> 02:06:29,040
Speaker 4: to roll over today, what do I not want flying

2251
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:35,680
Speaker 4: around to hit me? And get into load and lash principles.

2252
02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:36,320
Speaker 1: And how do you commonly do that?

2253
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:41,400
Speaker 4: Ratchet straps, Yeah, we do so toolboxes in the back

2254
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:44,040
Speaker 4: of trucks that are bolted to the vehicle, not just

2255
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:46,960
Speaker 4: sitting there. They need to be bolted down otherwise you

2256
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:52,000
Speaker 4: have a huge missile that's just ready to go. Straps, netting.

2257
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:58,879
Speaker 4: You can get some pretty cheap netting at auto stores,

2258
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:02,320
Speaker 4: sportsmen and all that they carry netting that you can

2259
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 4: throw over things and load and lash down using seat bolts,

2260
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:10,440
Speaker 4: using the bottom of seats, however they're attached. We've even

2261
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 4: gone and bought climbing anchors for walls that you then

2262
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:18,160
Speaker 4: thread a different bolt through the seat and now it

2263
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:21,440
Speaker 4: becomes an attachment point. For a care beaner, so you

2264
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:27,080
Speaker 4: can utilize those places to keep things latched, lash down

2265
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 4: and tight.

2266
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:33,040
Speaker 1: Got it? Get serious? You don't want to come see

2267
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 1: my setup because obviously I've got a way to just

2268
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:39,240
Speaker 1: kill my whole family riding around when I go.

2269
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:41,800
Speaker 4: It's certainly all guilty of it.

2270
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I usually try to keep it between the

2271
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:47,760
Speaker 1: mustard and the mayo, as they say, And I don't

2272
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 1: I drive slower than faster anymore. And yeah, but I

2273
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:56,120
Speaker 1: will take a lot of these these tips and especially

2274
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 1: the stuff around safety and put it to use. This

2275
02:07:58,160 --> 02:07:59,000
Speaker 1: has been great.

2276
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:00,720
Speaker 3: Lutely.

2277
02:08:00,840 --> 02:08:04,000
Speaker 1: Anything else, Jordan or Clay that you guys feel like

2278
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:06,880
Speaker 1: we missed or we want to cover off on?

2279
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,920
Speaker 2: No, there's so much more stuff to dive into. We'll

2280
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 2: just have to have you back on.

2281
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 4: I'd love to. Yeah, I feel like we're very thorough

2282
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 4: today with the topic at hand. I feel great about it.

2283
02:08:18,680 --> 02:08:21,280
Speaker 4: I would say we did have down here the why

2284
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:25,600
Speaker 4: why after this whole podcast why would you do this?

2285
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 4: And we wrote down here these items and the knowledge

2286
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:32,120
Speaker 4: of how to use them allow you to be the hero.

2287
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 4: Being prepared allows you to go further, you know, and

2288
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:39,280
Speaker 4: that's it. You know, you can be the hero to

2289
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:41,240
Speaker 4: someone else who's having a bad day. We all have

2290
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 4: bad days out there. You have the tools, and we

2291
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:49,600
Speaker 4: as adventurers out there, need to be prepared and this

2292
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 4: allows you, hopefully give you some steps to being more

2293
02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 4: prepared out there.

2294
02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:58,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I can tell you after being stuck

2295
02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:01,600
Speaker 2: like a kajellion times every time time I'm like what

2296
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:05,240
Speaker 2: I would give just to have recovery boards or I

2297
02:09:05,240 --> 02:09:10,400
Speaker 2: should have bought that or whatnot, Like gosh, it's it

2298
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 2: just really derails a weekend, derails your entire trip when

2299
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:17,560
Speaker 2: something just goes wrong that could have been preventable.

2300
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 1: Yep.

2301
02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:20,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. And if you did have all the stuff in

2302
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:24,200
Speaker 4: your weekend goes wrong, well then you were prepared for that.

2303
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:26,200
Speaker 4: You know, it's not due to you, it's due to

2304
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 4: other circumstances. That's that's where that's the kind of adventure

2305
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:34,320
Speaker 4: mishap that I want, is when I was prepared for

2306
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:35,960
Speaker 4: but I couldn't overcome.

2307
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could overcome it. Yeah, yeah, all right, let's

2308
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,160
Speaker 1: do it just to to finish up, if you have

2309
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 1: the time, play, let's do a couple scenarios and then

2310
02:09:47,880 --> 02:09:50,280
Speaker 1: just tell me how you would best to get out

2311
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:53,320
Speaker 1: of here. Because I almost got stuck turkey hunting. A

2312
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:55,320
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We went and hunted and it

2313
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 1: rained for three days straight. Wasn't like real crazy heavy,

2314
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,800
Speaker 1: but just now stop. And the roads to where we're at,

2315
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:06,879
Speaker 1: they're not quite I wouldn't call them, you know, Missouri

2316
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:10,560
Speaker 1: river breaks gumbo, but it I mean they were getting

2317
02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:13,080
Speaker 1: slick and boogery, and I mean, you know all the

2318
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:15,680
Speaker 1: adjectives for those types of roads where your tires are

2319
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 1: just completely caked and filled. And it had dried out

2320
02:10:19,960 --> 02:10:24,000
Speaker 1: just enough, and I was like, well, we wanted just

2321
02:10:24,040 --> 02:10:26,000
Speaker 1: to drive the road a mile, just to save us

2322
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:28,040
Speaker 1: the hike of a mile. We were running out of

2323
02:10:28,040 --> 02:10:30,960
Speaker 1: time and it had gotten a little tacky. You were like, oh,

2324
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:32,960
Speaker 1: let's go and try it. Well, of course, you know,

2325
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 1: ninety percent of it's just fine. We'd come around this

2326
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:37,240
Speaker 1: corner and there's a pretty big we're just like to

2327
02:10:37,280 --> 02:10:39,880
Speaker 1: be like a puddle. I thought, Oh, I'll just ease

2328
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:43,400
Speaker 1: right through it, no big deal. Well, that corner happened

2329
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 1: to be extra clayey, extra gumboie, and I got right

2330
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:49,440
Speaker 1: to the middle of this puddle and then all of

2331
02:10:49,480 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 1: a sudden, all four wheels just spinning now I got

2332
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:56,800
Speaker 1: lucky and just started doing the old drive punch it,

2333
02:10:56,920 --> 02:10:59,520
Speaker 1: reverse punch it, drive punch it, And after I don't

2334
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:02,800
Speaker 1: know ten twenty of those, I somehow wiggled my way

2335
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:06,080
Speaker 1: back out of there. I really thought that I would

2336
02:11:06,160 --> 02:11:08,160
Speaker 1: that it did not seem as though I was gonna

2337
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:12,800
Speaker 1: make it, because it was just so viscous right that

2338
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:14,720
Speaker 1: that mud, and it just seemed like I was going

2339
02:11:15,160 --> 02:11:17,440
Speaker 1: deeper and I was. Although I was throwing a lot

2340
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:21,520
Speaker 1: of moisture and sort of this muddy soupy mess, it

2341
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:25,400
Speaker 1: wasn't really moving much. So let's just say I I

2342
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 1: get to the point where I do that for ten minutes,

2343
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth, and it's just not moving.

2344
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,800
Speaker 1: My tires are still spinning. I'm not high centered, but

2345
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:39,680
Speaker 1: the this, this whatever, super viscous muddy mess is not

2346
02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 1: allowing me to get out of this hole. What's uh,

2347
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:46,360
Speaker 1: and we've got now I've gone and done done my shopping,

2348
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:49,880
Speaker 1: I've got all this stuff in my truck. What's how

2349
02:11:49,880 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 1: would you get out of there? Great question?

2350
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:57,320
Speaker 4: Uh, so we have this saying, yeah, it went in doubt,

2351
02:11:57,400 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 4: throttle out. You know that can be to your advantage

2352
02:12:01,920 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 4: as long as you're you know, a thousand decisions are

2353
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:08,040
Speaker 4: going to be made quickly in your head. Whether that's

2354
02:12:08,080 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 4: the right decision, We're not going to wargain that right now.

2355
02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 4: You made that decision, and because you still had traction

2356
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:15,840
Speaker 4: and we're able to get a little bit of momentum,

2357
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:19,000
Speaker 4: you thought you could get out, okay, But then there

2358
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 4: came a point in your story when you realize that

2359
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:28,800
Speaker 4: you were stuck. When you realize you're stuck, stop because

2360
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:31,560
Speaker 4: that's the least amount of stuck you're going to be

2361
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:35,880
Speaker 4: at that very moment. So how often times I'll just

2362
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:40,360
Speaker 4: give it a try one more time? Now you're super stuck. Okay,

2363
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:44,640
Speaker 4: So as soon as you realize you're stuck, you're stuck. Now,

2364
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:48,120
Speaker 4: a lot of guys and possibly gals have ego around

2365
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:52,320
Speaker 4: getting stuck. The ego goes away. A lot of us

2366
02:12:52,360 --> 02:12:55,400
Speaker 4: around here, we don't have ego around being stuck anymore.

2367
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 4: It's just part of the scenario. So when you're stuck,

2368
02:12:58,120 --> 02:13:02,080
Speaker 4: you're stuck. Okay, I've identified that's where I am, and

2369
02:13:02,120 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 4: then the next thing is going to be what's going

2370
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:08,720
Speaker 4: to get me my traction or my momentum next, the

2371
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 4: path of least resistance first, then determine if that's really

2372
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:16,640
Speaker 4: the best. So more than likely your max tracks or

2373
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:20,760
Speaker 4: recovery board placed in the right spot, because you're so

2374
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,880
Speaker 4: close already, is going to get you out of there

2375
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:30,080
Speaker 4: the fastest, So placing those getting the momentum back, and

2376
02:13:30,360 --> 02:13:32,720
Speaker 4: maybe putting some of those boards in some of the

2377
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:37,200
Speaker 4: spots that you know, as you've accelerated, you kind of

2378
02:13:37,200 --> 02:13:39,200
Speaker 4: get into those money spots and you sink into things

2379
02:13:39,200 --> 02:13:42,280
Speaker 4: and you kill your momentum. Throw your boards down in

2380
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 4: that so that when your truck does get to it,

2381
02:13:45,480 --> 02:13:49,520
Speaker 4: it has new found purchase and can continue to accelerate

2382
02:13:49,560 --> 02:13:52,680
Speaker 4: out kind of patch the road, so to speak. So

2383
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:55,320
Speaker 4: you might need a couple under the wheels to get going,

2384
02:13:55,600 --> 02:13:57,720
Speaker 4: and then a couple out in the worst spots and

2385
02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,680
Speaker 4: give it a go. That would be my next choice.

2386
02:14:00,640 --> 02:14:04,600
Speaker 1: And with a full drive vehicle, assuming it's the whole,

2387
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:07,680
Speaker 1: is all things equal that you're stuck in and it's

2388
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:10,880
Speaker 1: twelve inches of watery mud, you know in the back

2389
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 1: and in the front as well, would you go on

2390
02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:18,320
Speaker 1: the front wheels more than the back wheels or is

2391
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:20,400
Speaker 1: it going to be six is? As to where you

2392
02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:21,040
Speaker 1: put those.

2393
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,760
Speaker 4: Boards depends more than likely when you got stuck, you

2394
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:29,640
Speaker 4: probably had a sense of what tires were spinning. Unless

2395
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:33,080
Speaker 4: you were running full lockers where your axles are locked through.

2396
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:35,880
Speaker 4: You're going to have an idea of what my front

2397
02:14:35,960 --> 02:14:39,760
Speaker 4: driver side was spinning and my rear passenger side was spinning.

2398
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:42,560
Speaker 4: That's where you're going to want to put your max tracks,

2399
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:47,000
Speaker 4: got it, because those are all of your power through

2400
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:49,360
Speaker 4: your four wheel drive system, through your transfer case and

2401
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 4: the diffs, the open diffs are being lost to the

2402
02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:56,920
Speaker 4: path of least resistance, so give them some resistance. And

2403
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:58,480
Speaker 4: the other thing you can do is you could just

2404
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:02,360
Speaker 4: set a little bit of e breake pressure if you want,

2405
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:05,120
Speaker 4: which applies a little bit of pressure to that one

2406
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:08,360
Speaker 4: wheel that's spinning. If you don't have lockers, you can

2407
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 4: apply even on older cars. The newer cars kind of

2408
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:14,400
Speaker 4: override this now, but you could apply just slight amount

2409
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:17,720
Speaker 4: of brake pressure and then accelerate through the brake pressure

2410
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:23,120
Speaker 4: because it allows the wheel to not want to so

2411
02:15:23,320 --> 02:15:27,320
Speaker 4: easily spin off. Yeah, so that's that's a left foot

2412
02:15:27,400 --> 02:15:31,040
Speaker 4: right foot brake technique that just apply a little bit

2413
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:32,960
Speaker 4: and then you kind of massage it. You see where

2414
02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:36,760
Speaker 4: it works, and sometimes it's just enough to get you

2415
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:38,320
Speaker 4: get all four tires moving again.

2416
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:40,960
Speaker 3: Nice.

2417
02:15:41,320 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then looking at the weight of the vehicle.

2418
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:48,400
Speaker 4: So if you have a pickup with nothing in the back,

2419
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:51,839
Speaker 4: all of your weights on that front axle over the engine,

2420
02:15:52,440 --> 02:15:54,240
Speaker 4: So that's where gonna you're gonna have the most amount

2421
02:15:54,280 --> 02:15:58,000
Speaker 4: of traction potentially there that so your front tires might

2422
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,960
Speaker 4: be pulling you out before your rear tires push you out.

2423
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:05,040
Speaker 1: Got it. But for whatever reason, when you do chains,

2424
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:07,640
Speaker 1: they always they say not usually not to put them

2425
02:16:07,640 --> 02:16:09,720
Speaker 1: on your front tires. Is that just because when you

2426
02:16:09,800 --> 02:16:12,560
Speaker 1: turn the tires the chains they're going to beat up

2427
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 1: your fenders or what is the reasoning for not putting

2428
02:16:15,000 --> 02:16:16,120
Speaker 1: chains on front tires?

2429
02:16:17,560 --> 02:16:22,760
Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, there's a lot of Yeah, I put chains

2430
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:23,520
Speaker 4: on my front tires.

2431
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:23,880
Speaker 1: You do.

2432
02:16:24,080 --> 02:16:25,160
Speaker 3: It's a clearance issue.

2433
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:31,000
Speaker 4: Clearance, especially the new modern cars have that upper control arm.

2434
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:35,800
Speaker 4: There's a lot of clearance problems. So you run a

2435
02:16:35,879 --> 02:16:38,520
Speaker 4: risk when you put chains on because now with the

2436
02:16:38,520 --> 02:16:41,120
Speaker 4: new modern vehicles, we have all these sensors that go

2437
02:16:41,240 --> 02:16:45,360
Speaker 4: into the wheel sensors and the antilock brakes and all

2438
02:16:45,440 --> 02:16:50,480
Speaker 4: kinds of stuff go the speed sensors. Sometimes, just know

2439
02:16:50,560 --> 02:16:52,720
Speaker 4: that if you put chains on and it all goes wrong,

2440
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:56,840
Speaker 4: you might be disabling and breaking those things that you'll

2441
02:16:56,879 --> 02:17:01,199
Speaker 4: have to repair later. The rear typical has more clearance

2442
02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:04,200
Speaker 4: in the wheel wells and less going on that a

2443
02:17:04,280 --> 02:17:08,520
Speaker 4: chain is safer to put there. But yeah, in a

2444
02:17:08,560 --> 02:17:11,800
Speaker 4: muddy situation, the only thing is is if you only

2445
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:13,680
Speaker 4: have chains on the rear and not on the front,

2446
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:17,920
Speaker 4: steering can become a major problem, right, because you can push,

2447
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,840
Speaker 4: but you can't steer. It can't pull you through the corner.

2448
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:24,480
Speaker 4: You're essentially relying on your front tires to become kind

2449
02:17:24,520 --> 02:17:27,959
Speaker 4: of skis in a way, and you it's more of

2450
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:31,320
Speaker 4: a suggestion versus if it also has chains on it,

2451
02:17:31,320 --> 02:17:33,840
Speaker 4: it'll steer by pulling through the corner.

2452
02:17:34,560 --> 02:17:40,360
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, all right. Another scenario, you got us out

2453
02:17:40,400 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: of the mud hole. This one, I think is very

2454
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:48,240
Speaker 1: common to haunters. It's getting to be in it's in November.

2455
02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:53,160
Speaker 1: Roads have gotten frozen. Thought frozen thought. But it's early

2456
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:56,360
Speaker 1: in the morning, so it's frozen from the night and

2457
02:17:56,400 --> 02:17:59,200
Speaker 1: you're going along some forest service road or maybe it's

2458
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:02,160
Speaker 1: just a dirt road on a ranch or whatever, and

2459
02:18:02,600 --> 02:18:07,320
Speaker 1: it's not quite the road is not, you know, horizontal anymore.

2460
02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:10,120
Speaker 1: It's got a little pitch to it off. You know,

2461
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:15,000
Speaker 1: going downhill, you're cruising along in dry conditions. It's fine

2462
02:18:15,000 --> 02:18:18,000
Speaker 1: because you got plenty of grip, but the snow is

2463
02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:20,640
Speaker 1: set up so that it's it's getting a little bit slick,

2464
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:22,600
Speaker 1: and you get to a spot and all of a

2465
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:25,600
Speaker 1: sudden you start to get that slide and you go

2466
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:29,120
Speaker 1: and it's almost like you're rule about like, once you're stuck,

2467
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 1: just don't make yourself any more stuck. You realize that

2468
02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:36,360
Speaker 1: going forward anymore you're just gonna start slipping, and pretty

2469
02:18:36,400 --> 02:18:39,600
Speaker 1: soon you're gonna have two wheels actually off this road

2470
02:18:39,680 --> 02:18:43,359
Speaker 1: and on the hill, and then you're in real trouble.

2471
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:46,280
Speaker 1: So you sort of you're not stuck yet, you've put

2472
02:18:46,320 --> 02:18:49,840
Speaker 1: it in park, but you're in a precarious spot right

2473
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:52,800
Speaker 1: like you're really close to losing two wheels if you

2474
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:56,760
Speaker 1: go forward. You don't feel comfortable, just like backing out

2475
02:18:56,760 --> 02:18:59,199
Speaker 1: of there. What's the play there?

2476
02:19:04,120 --> 02:19:07,720
Speaker 4: There's an old ranch technique, an old backcountry road technique

2477
02:19:07,720 --> 02:19:11,000
Speaker 4: where you can self sand the road. So you get

2478
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:13,040
Speaker 4: your shovel out and you go to the dirt hill

2479
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:16,360
Speaker 4: next to it. You're all parked out and you start

2480
02:19:16,400 --> 02:19:19,959
Speaker 4: digging into the hill and you start sanding that hill

2481
02:19:20,400 --> 02:19:25,080
Speaker 4: that corner with the material that you're able to extract.

2482
02:19:25,360 --> 02:19:27,760
Speaker 4: If you're gonna so your shovel's coming in big time

2483
02:19:27,959 --> 02:19:33,600
Speaker 4: right there. That's gonna help. That's one of the ingredients

2484
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:35,160
Speaker 4: to a cocktail that we'll make here.

2485
02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:37,160
Speaker 1: Next.

2486
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:41,320
Speaker 4: Recovery boards. If they have the proper spikes below them,

2487
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:44,680
Speaker 4: they can dig pretty well, and you could you could

2488
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:48,040
Speaker 4: inch your way across something like that using a recovery

2489
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:51,240
Speaker 4: board because they have their own like spikes underneath them

2490
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:56,800
Speaker 4: that dig pretty good. We have used. Depending on the

2491
02:19:56,840 --> 02:20:02,880
Speaker 4: extra in this case, you may be able to take

2492
02:20:02,920 --> 02:20:06,000
Speaker 4: a I don't know if i'd recommend that you really

2493
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:09,879
Speaker 4: you can get into some really techy things like you know,

2494
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:12,120
Speaker 4: tying a toe strap off to a tree up high

2495
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:15,040
Speaker 4: or whatever, not letting your truck slide any lower and

2496
02:20:15,680 --> 02:20:19,560
Speaker 4: use the the strap to as a pivot point. Things

2497
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:23,119
Speaker 4: like that just to assist from uh, there's things like that.

2498
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:27,560
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's that's a that's a tricky one.

2499
02:20:28,520 --> 02:20:30,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if airing down necessarily would help in

2500
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:35,039
Speaker 4: this situation. Just depends on the surface. You may want

2501
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:41,120
Speaker 4: that traction from a lot of pressure, more pressure per

2502
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:45,039
Speaker 4: square inch versus spreading. The pressure just depends on what

2503
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:48,040
Speaker 4: you kind of read the road as I would sand

2504
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:49,960
Speaker 4: it first. Really it comes down to that.

2505
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:53,360
Speaker 3: I feel like chains would help.

2506
02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:57,600
Speaker 4: The chains. If you got chains would resolve this issue.

2507
02:20:57,760 --> 02:20:59,800
Speaker 4: You may slip a little bit, have a little bit

2508
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:03,600
Speaker 4: of you know, because the chains are never a consistent

2509
02:21:03,640 --> 02:21:06,920
Speaker 4: contact patch. They you know, you roll over a chain,

2510
02:21:06,959 --> 02:21:09,080
Speaker 4: then it's smooth and all. Roll over a chain, you

2511
02:21:09,080 --> 02:21:11,880
Speaker 4: would just gather your momentum and drive through it. You

2512
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:14,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't really go slow, you'd kind of get after it

2513
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:19,720
Speaker 4: and get out at that. At that point, definitely, if

2514
02:21:19,720 --> 02:21:25,400
Speaker 4: you have lockers in the vehicle, disengage lockers, yeah, because

2515
02:21:25,440 --> 02:21:29,440
Speaker 4: it'll if one if they both spin, then they can

2516
02:21:29,480 --> 02:21:32,400
Speaker 4: both break traction at once and then it becomes a sled.

2517
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:37,960
Speaker 4: So on an off cambridge situation where the road is turning,

2518
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:42,240
Speaker 4: say it's turning to the right, but the road leans

2519
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:46,199
Speaker 4: to the right as well, that it doesn't that's called

2520
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:51,440
Speaker 4: off camber, lockers are bad in that situation. Disengage lockers

2521
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:52,439
Speaker 4: because you want.

2522
02:21:52,320 --> 02:21:54,040
Speaker 3: Is that basically your traction control.

2523
02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:58,320
Speaker 4: Traction control depends on the vehicle that you're running, but

2524
02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:02,480
Speaker 4: it is managed through the ABS system. Your braking system,

2525
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:06,000
Speaker 4: and it was managed essentially by a pump that pulses

2526
02:22:06,600 --> 02:22:09,039
Speaker 4: the anti lock breaks that allows a wheel to not

2527
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:13,840
Speaker 4: slip as it starts to slip, it just breaks it momentarily.

2528
02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:18,400
Speaker 4: It's like up it just with electric pulses and they

2529
02:22:18,520 --> 02:22:22,160
Speaker 4: work amazingly well. Traction control would be a good option

2530
02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:25,720
Speaker 4: in this at this time over lockers, because lockers are

2531
02:22:25,720 --> 02:22:32,039
Speaker 4: mechanically locked, there's no forgiveness. Okay, traction control functions would

2532
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:37,640
Speaker 4: manage it better in this case. Most control is a

2533
02:22:37,640 --> 02:22:38,080
Speaker 4: good option.

2534
02:22:38,600 --> 02:22:43,480
Speaker 1: Most people, or most newer trucks, they don't even come

2535
02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:47,440
Speaker 1: with the option to lock your diffs anymore, right, I mean,

2536
02:22:47,480 --> 02:22:49,840
Speaker 1: it's that's kind of few and far between, am I correct?

2537
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:54,039
Speaker 4: It's coming back. A lot more have them, so that

2538
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:58,480
Speaker 4: all the new Tundras in the tierty off road format,

2539
02:22:58,520 --> 02:23:03,320
Speaker 4: the new trail Hunter coming out as that. The Denali's

2540
02:23:03,400 --> 02:23:07,840
Speaker 4: have that in their eighty four. The Colorados have front

2541
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:11,240
Speaker 4: end rear lockers now in some of their upfit options,

2542
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:14,880
Speaker 4: so a lot of the Fords, the Broncos do, so

2543
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:18,760
Speaker 4: they have really made a comeback in more modern vehicles.

2544
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:20,680
Speaker 4: There's kind of a gap in there from say like

2545
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:27,080
Speaker 4: two thousand to twenty seventeen. You know, there's a lot

2546
02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:31,120
Speaker 4: of manufacturers even eighteen nineteen weren't putting lockers in there.

2547
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:35,400
Speaker 4: But with the rise of off road and overlanding, the

2548
02:23:35,480 --> 02:23:38,320
Speaker 4: demand for lockers in the consumer base has been risen

2549
02:23:38,400 --> 02:23:40,959
Speaker 4: so much that it's now a great selling point. So

2550
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:43,560
Speaker 4: a lot of these vehicles have them now in the

2551
02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:48,360
Speaker 4: right package or the right grade. So yeah, they're there.

2552
02:23:48,959 --> 02:23:52,800
Speaker 4: But the traction control that many more cars have is

2553
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:59,240
Speaker 4: remarkably efficient and effective.

2554
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:01,800
Speaker 3: Interesting.

2555
02:24:03,800 --> 02:24:04,080
Speaker 1: Cool.

2556
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:08,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're probably getting pretty close to the

2557
02:24:08,320 --> 02:24:11,039
Speaker 2: end of our time. Anything you want to pitch in, yann.

2558
02:24:10,760 --> 02:24:13,080
Speaker 1: You No, I'm good. I got way too much to

2559
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:13,880
Speaker 1: think about now.

2560
02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:16,320
Speaker 3: I know me too, I got a list going here.

2561
02:24:16,440 --> 02:24:19,320
Speaker 1: Thanks Claire, I appreciate it. Man. Let's uh, let's get

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Speaker 1: together and do it again and just we'll talk just

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Speaker 1: going car camping and all the actual camping gear outside

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Speaker 1: of the truck gear. Does that sound like it gonna

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Speaker 1: be awesome? Good plan for the next one?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Cool?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And just like always, anybody has any questions on this,

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Speaker 2: shoot us an email gear talk at themeeater dot com

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Speaker 2: and we can tackle them in a future episode or

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Speaker 2: get notes going for your future episode.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening,