Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles with James McDonald, Regie
Speaker 1: Reck Jr. And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network
Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated Battery, I was a hang
Speaker 1: gun and um they believe this might be in retaliation
Speaker 1: to her testimony. Welcome to another edition of The Gangster Chronicles.
Speaker 1: And this is episode thirteen, and my name is Alex Alonso.
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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start this episode with some fact checking
Speaker 1: from last week, and uh, we actually have a special guest.
Speaker 1: But before we get to our special guests, let's go
Speaker 1: through these quick fact checks from last week. Reggie, you
Speaker 1: mentioned a guy that was on death row for some
Speaker 1: murders related to the Chino Hills case. His name was
Speaker 1: Kevin Cooper, murder of four people, and now they're saying
Speaker 1: he might be innocent. Well, the governor was trying to
Speaker 1: um have a reinvestigation of the case, so they're checking
Speaker 1: his DNA. I guess right now. And according to Kevin Cooper,
Speaker 1: what do you think he says he didn't do He
Speaker 1: didn't do it. He says he was framed, Okay. And
Speaker 1: then the rapist that you were talking about again last week,
Speaker 1: Reggie was a guy named Wayne Jerome Robertson a K
Speaker 1: the booty banded up at Corkrane Dick Smiley from the
Speaker 1: he's really eluders. He probably even east side. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: so old, so they probably was east side. He was
Speaker 1: when he went to pen Gentian. When he went to
Speaker 1: the pen and okay, so he's an O G O
Speaker 1: G the seventies. Okay, well, I found an article from
Speaker 1: that says that the guards were actually using him at
Speaker 1: Corkran State Prison to rape and beat other inmates. They
Speaker 1: were betting on him. They stay used him, but they
Speaker 1: were betting. They were putting him in there like uh,
Speaker 1: some gladiatorship going on, like that movie Animals. So apparently
Speaker 1: there was a huge investigation in the late nineties early
Speaker 1: two thousand's about this. Dude, Wayne, and I had never
Speaker 1: even heard that story before. That's crazy, all right. The
Speaker 1: next thing was, you said, James that Corkland was opened
Speaker 1: in eighties seven. Last week said eighty nine to corporate seven. Well,
Speaker 1: it stays here that it was built on an old
Speaker 1: Native American reservation and opened in eighty eight. I protight
Speaker 1: from corporate from Okay, well, maybe Wikipedia sometimes incorrect. I okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: And today, as of today O. J. Simpson hit eight
Speaker 1: hundred and two thousand followers on his Twitter page. No,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna hit a million probably. Uh. I've
Speaker 1: given about a month he'll be at a million. That's
Speaker 1: just a hundred nine thousand more people. And then, um,
Speaker 1: we talked about Carl Douglas last week. In that monumental
Speaker 1: car case, I said, Pento, we talked about it being
Speaker 1: the pencil is actually a seventy nine Chevy Malibu where
Speaker 1: the family of four children and two women were burned
Speaker 1: when the gas tank exploded back in four point nine billion.
Speaker 1: In Yeah, for damages. I went to the two women
Speaker 1: and four kids. They followed appeal, and I'm sure they
Speaker 1: probably settled all on appeal. Yeah. What I didn't check
Speaker 1: is how much money the family ultimately got. But you
Speaker 1: know Karl Douglas gets whatever that money is or his firm,
Speaker 1: well that and you know all the expenses that the
Speaker 1: attorney there's like that. That's where they get you at all. Right,
Speaker 1: So that takes us to our special guests. Man, this
Speaker 1: is a brother that I've known for many, many years.
Speaker 1: He's actually connected to one of the biggest drug trafficking
Speaker 1: cases in American history. He's from Compton, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about my brother, Chico Brown. We got Chico Brown in
Speaker 1: the studio today. Man, what's up, Chico? What's going on?
Speaker 1: And I didn't really finish uh describing Chico. I met
Speaker 1: Chico when he was doing sort of what I would
Speaker 1: say community activists work and uh gang intervention and prevention
Speaker 1: work back in the early two thousand's. But you're also
Speaker 1: CEO of agg and Entertainment. Let's start off talking about
Speaker 1: what that's all about. Egg Entertainment is a production company. Um,
Speaker 1: then a few films, uh documentaries. I'm working on a
Speaker 1: few films now with master p Jamie Fox and some
Speaker 1: more people. Um. Started off with Penny Marshall who helped
Speaker 1: me start the company, and that was her way of
Speaker 1: giving back to me, to being back to the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good. Yeah, and Pete Marshall was a good,
Speaker 1: good lady. Now a lot of people don't know who
Speaker 1: Penny Marshall is. Uh. For all the youngsters out there
Speaker 1: that I never heard of, Penny mercall Lavernon Shirley. Their
Speaker 1: family also produced what was the other show that they
Speaker 1: produced that came on before Lavernay? Happy Days used to
Speaker 1: come on at eight o'clock on Tuesdays and was Lavernon Shirley. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought they wasn't spending off from r What years
Speaker 1: are we talking about? Like late seven, Marty. Pretty much
Speaker 1: like half the shows that was on network television in
Speaker 1: them days was like martial productions. I like what she
Speaker 1: loved basketball players, but I like that she really liked
Speaker 1: black people most down people. That person I've ever met
Speaker 1: in my life for real, Like she treated me like
Speaker 1: her son. And unfortunately she she passed last year. This year,
Speaker 1: this year, last year, the Simar seventeen, and um, I
Speaker 1: was a little I got a little emotional to see
Speaker 1: her because it's like all the people that I grew
Speaker 1: up with, they're slowly dying on us. How it was
Speaker 1: Kenny was, I think she was up for a while.
Speaker 1: He was here both okay, Yeah, But one of the
Speaker 1: things I wanted to uh talk to you about, Chico,
Speaker 1: is you actually was part of freeway Ricky Ross's indictment
Speaker 1: back in was the nineties six or four. And uh,
Speaker 1: although everyone talks about Freeway Ricky Ross as the one
Speaker 1: getting caught you was you was just co defending in
Speaker 1: that case. Can you talk about how you met him,
Speaker 1: how you guys ended up hustling together, and how that
Speaker 1: whole case came smashing down on your your life. We've
Speaker 1: been doing each other, but this particular time, we uh
Speaker 1: was opening the youth center over there in South Central
Speaker 1: and Cuenshaw, So Rick had just came home and he
Speaker 1: had needed some money, and so I ended up giving
Speaker 1: him some money to help him with the youth center.
Speaker 1: So we building a youth center. Then months months went
Speaker 1: by and his connection from years ago, UH came to
Speaker 1: us and asked Rick did he want to help him
Speaker 1: get rid of you know, start start this business back.
Speaker 1: Rick was like, you know, Rick really didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it, and I didn't want to do it. I
Speaker 1: just came home. I just be the case. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just came home on another case that we'll probably talk about.
Speaker 1: But was it true that Freeway Rick was sort of
Speaker 1: out of the game at that time. He wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of like retire. He was out of the game.
Speaker 1: He he was out, both of us out of the game.
Speaker 1: But we actually was really doing the youth center on
Speaker 1: Cuenshaw Old Building and he had had when he caught
Speaker 1: the first time you're talking about right on Adams. It
Speaker 1: looked like an old theater that building. So we actually
Speaker 1: was doing uh, we was doing the studio and there
Speaker 1: we're just gonna call it Apolo West. And so that
Speaker 1: led on to me investing my money in it, and
Speaker 1: then we needed some more money. And so when the
Speaker 1: guy Bland don't came. You know, it's all I set up.
Speaker 1: When he dude Bland don't came, he was like, you know.
Speaker 1: He called Rick and said, you know, I need this.
Speaker 1: And Rick was like, you know, I'm I'm out the business.
Speaker 1: I don't have no more money. And that led to
Speaker 1: me giving the money. So that's how I got invoked
Speaker 1: because it was my money. So at that time, Rick
Speaker 1: didn't have any money. No, Rick came home, he didn't
Speaker 1: have no money. I actually helped him. I gave him
Speaker 1: somebody loaned him some money. So he was coming home
Speaker 1: from another case. It just got out on the case
Speaker 1: that he got caught up with the this case, you know,
Speaker 1: and he had I think he did like seven years
Speaker 1: or something. So he came home on that. And then
Speaker 1: we're doing a studio and then Black Done called and
Speaker 1: and led to old Let's go to prison. And now,
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, you're talking about Danilo blond
Speaker 1: dog Oscar Oscar Denilo Blondo from from Nicaragua. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I guess he was the connector that really put
Speaker 1: Rick on the map. Yeah, he was connect So at
Speaker 1: that time, is it fair to say that Danilo Oscar
Speaker 1: Denilo blond Don was actually working with the federal government
Speaker 1: at the time and in order to to entrap y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly, but we didn't know that, you know, the
Speaker 1: CIA and all that stuff was involved. We were just
Speaker 1: really trying to make some money. But Rick didn't really
Speaker 1: didn't want to do nothing with it. And I was
Speaker 1: just out of the game. And it was just like
Speaker 1: he was like a father figure to Rick, and so
Speaker 1: he like convinced Rick, like he kept saying, you know,
Speaker 1: just this one time, I owe somebody some money, can
Speaker 1: you get it. Then the whole thing was like, you
Speaker 1: don't have a hundred in Nicodaga, but I can bring
Speaker 1: him to you. You know, I got a hundred up
Speaker 1: and so he convinced. It took months. It took like
Speaker 1: six months or eight months to convinced me to go
Speaker 1: down there and do and do the deal to go
Speaker 1: down where with to Mexico? Is that right? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, that's what we got busted at
Speaker 1: the border. Yeah, y'all was pretty much like some American mina.
Speaker 1: That's what That's how it went. So, but they he
Speaker 1: was blad done all the time. When he was calling us,
Speaker 1: he was in prison, he was in he was in
Speaker 1: uh Metropolitan in San Diego. But they were so bad
Speaker 1: at Rick on this other case. So it was the
Speaker 1: whole thing, we'll let you out if you help us
Speaker 1: get ricked. And what people don't know, they really wanted
Speaker 1: them to be because of the IRA Contra investigation and
Speaker 1: all that were Oliver North that suf and Maxine water
Speaker 1: is going down there and helping him before all this
Speaker 1: even happened, Like we really didn't know that the conscious
Speaker 1: and stuff until it went down. Like so things like
Speaker 1: say six months for us for me to really go down,
Speaker 1: and that went down to a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't really feeling it, like and then the last
Speaker 1: time when I went we did the deal. So you
Speaker 1: met like some of Blondons people, just one, just one
Speaker 1: of them. He was a FA he was an agent
Speaker 1: acting like he was the man. So something like some
Speaker 1: Mexican looking dude that was working with the fads. And
Speaker 1: at that time you didn't know Blondon was in custody. No,
Speaker 1: we didn't. They let him out for this reason. The busses. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's so deep, man um. So what what type of
Speaker 1: sentence did they give you guys. Ultimately, I know they
Speaker 1: gave life and I had eight and a half years.
Speaker 1: And did you get out early? No? I didn't get
Speaker 1: out early. I did. I mean I got I did
Speaker 1: a drug program. So at what point something that? So,
Speaker 1: at what point did you realize this was a whole
Speaker 1: set up? How long did it take to figure that
Speaker 1: out when it first went down? I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: thought at first I thought was Rick setting me about it?
Speaker 1: Because I really really didn't know because I I went down.
Speaker 1: So we you know, we had to say at Denny's restaurant.
Speaker 1: We met them at a Danny's restaurant and black Dog
Speaker 1: walked in and the other guy, special agent Phillips, I
Speaker 1: know his name, man, but they walked in and then
Speaker 1: like you know, I asked me for the money, like
Speaker 1: you got the money? And I was I'm telling Rick, like, man,
Speaker 1: something's weird, Like I'm like where to work at? You
Speaker 1: know that's me talking about asking what the work? And
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we got it. And I'm gonna called
Speaker 1: Rick to the side of like, man, something right, Man,
Speaker 1: it's like a set up, like not a setup that
Speaker 1: there was a police to set up like this when
Speaker 1: steal my money because I was buying a hundred h
Speaker 1: kilog So I was like, man, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: ain't give him the money. So I didn't give him
Speaker 1: the money. And they're like, I just following me, following
Speaker 1: me to this more and some more around the corner.
Speaker 1: But it was all set up, you know, the cards
Speaker 1: and there everybody in there was the fence. So when
Speaker 1: we went around the corner, so they asked for the
Speaker 1: money again, I said, Rick, go check the car and
Speaker 1: see the ship. Didn't see if it's in there. So
Speaker 1: Rick rolled, he checked it, he gave me it. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was in there. We had a drive. We had
Speaker 1: another dude with us that was driving it, and so
Speaker 1: he jumped in the car. So when he jumped in
Speaker 1: the car was a kill switch already in the car,
Speaker 1: so it never started. But it was a hundred keyloads
Speaker 1: in there. So soon as he went to the car,
Speaker 1: I saw the jackets like da, they put in the
Speaker 1: DA jackets on. By this time, I'm taking off. We're
Speaker 1: in two separate cars. Ricks in the in the in
Speaker 1: the opposite car, and I'm in my own car. So
Speaker 1: when I take off, they followed him. So I'm about to,
Speaker 1: you know, drive to the mall or some ship rick
Speaker 1: drive down the embankment of the freeway hit a tree,
Speaker 1: so by this time we you know, it goes down
Speaker 1: right there. So how much was they're selling those hundred
Speaker 1: keys for? What kind of practice with you guys expecting
Speaker 1: to get it was like ten, So it was a
Speaker 1: million dollars like ten, and that was a pretty good
Speaker 1: price because for out of state then I think that
Speaker 1: it was probably like well, I think sometimes you could
Speaker 1: have got on four nineties that were going for fourteen.
Speaker 1: But like you know, because it was stupid for me
Speaker 1: because I didn't to make no sense for me to
Speaker 1: do this because I wouldly wasn't, say a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: So it was really stupid for me to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but if it was, if this was not
Speaker 1: the fads and this was really getting a hundred keys,
Speaker 1: I mean you you could have been making a lot
Speaker 1: of money out of state with the work. No, But
Speaker 1: as I looked back on it, stupid. It was stupid
Speaker 1: for me to even do it because you made a
Speaker 1: decision that you was out the games. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I just I just came on. Yeah, so you must
Speaker 1: have been just like stressed out when you first caught
Speaker 1: that case, I mean I knew. For me, I was like,
Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't get a life sentence. I knew
Speaker 1: that was like I'm not gonna get a last kN
Speaker 1: that was off the table. Yeah, because you know, honey,
Speaker 1: keylos I read. I knew the guy lives already. I
Speaker 1: just I just left. So I knew what the guy
Speaker 1: laves was for the ship. I know all that stuff already.
Speaker 1: So Rick, you know he had two strikes of it.
Speaker 1: That's only meaning he got life because he had a
Speaker 1: career criminal. So and he ended up getting sixteen at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. First he got life, then
Speaker 1: that got cut down to twenty two, and at the
Speaker 1: end it was sixteen. Because we want to appeared one
Speaker 1: all the appeals and everything, like even when they went
Speaker 1: to I played guilty. I didn't go to trial. Like
Speaker 1: the day of trial, I stood up and said, I'm
Speaker 1: guilty of the charges dealing with the fast That's better
Speaker 1: to do it like that, are opposed to just have
Speaker 1: the people fix your act? Should I say for me,
Speaker 1: I don't. I just did it. I just went to trial.
Speaker 1: And one of case like a year and two years
Speaker 1: before that, so I was thinking, I'm going to trial,
Speaker 1: but they had so much, like you know, they had pictures,
Speaker 1: they had everything. They had been talking to the people.
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, if I if I
Speaker 1: go to trial, if I lose, I'm gonna get twenty.
Speaker 1: So I just took I played guilty, not knowing how
Speaker 1: much time I learned it to plead and just like
Speaker 1: go ahead and just take the deal, or go ahead
Speaker 1: and plead out that they don't give you as much
Speaker 1: as time as they could or they normally would. Won't
Speaker 1: you realize that Danilo was working with the police, probably
Speaker 1: like we was in there party three weeks and we
Speaker 1: got some paperwork from Gary gay Web. Gay Web sent
Speaker 1: us this paperwork, so me and ricking the sale together
Speaker 1: and then gave Webb said I got some information. You'll
Speaker 1: probably wanted read this stuff. So he sent us all
Speaker 1: the stuff. And this lady had get cought Boka had
Speaker 1: gave him the information because her boyfriend was CALO's letter
Speaker 1: Caller's letter, you know Caller's letters with Escobard person, and
Speaker 1: so she was telling us like they're not gonna testify
Speaker 1: against shot because this guy has been working for the
Speaker 1: CIA all this time, being in money to find dance
Speaker 1: the board Nikodaga with Satinsta. So we're reading this ship
Speaker 1: like damn. So me and Rick going through this every day.
Speaker 1: It's like stacks. They gave us the stacks, but it
Speaker 1: was redacted. All the stuff was blacking out, so we
Speaker 1: didn't know the names, like, man, who were they talking about?
Speaker 1: You know, but it was like stuff like yeah, just
Speaker 1: give it to the niggas. Didn't sell anything, you know
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff like damn, So we didn't after that,
Speaker 1: then when Maxine and got involved and she ended up
Speaker 1: giving us to redacted. When she went got it, it
Speaker 1: was still indictments. She went't got all the stuff and
Speaker 1: gave it to us like and then we're reading and
Speaker 1: stuff like damn, man, this is crazy. So all this
Speaker 1: time this has been a happnue the finances war nigga.
Speaker 1: It's you know, like so that really we got the
Speaker 1: thinking of then we're gonna beat this ship. Like were
Speaker 1: in there thinking that we were gonna be there. Then
Speaker 1: they separated and it was me and Rix. They put
Speaker 1: him on the floor, put us on the floor like
Speaker 1: that kind of ship. Then they put us in a hole.
Speaker 1: They put us in the hole because they said, we
Speaker 1: was should we got all kind of stuff up and
Speaker 1: then we got I was getting raided in ourselves because
Speaker 1: information that information, they was taking it and they said,
Speaker 1: we made this story yet. So so Gary Webb is
Speaker 1: the one that first, um kind of put you on
Speaker 1: game what was going on behind the scenes, because Gary
Speaker 1: Webb is a journalist that was writing for the San
Speaker 1: Jose Mercury News back in the nineties. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he got killed. Yeah, well they say it was the suicide,
Speaker 1: but a lot of we talked to him a week
Speaker 1: before he got killed. Is that right, talk to us,
Speaker 1: Talk to us about Gary Webb, because he also put
Speaker 1: out that amazing book called Dark Alliance. I believe that's
Speaker 1: the book. That's the book. But also when he did
Speaker 1: the three part story on the San Jose Mercury News,
Speaker 1: it was called Darker Lines in that newspaper, and that
Speaker 1: was like one of the first things that went viral
Speaker 1: on the internet. All the pictures, all the pictures that
Speaker 1: was in the book. I gave it to him. That
Speaker 1: was that was my discovery that the pictures of the money,
Speaker 1: the birds, everything in that. But his career did get
Speaker 1: messed up from writing all of that. He couldn't get
Speaker 1: jobs at certain newspapers. The l A Times did them wrong.
Speaker 1: Watching the post. They wanted the story. So Gary was like,
Speaker 1: you know, Chi, I'm not gonna I talked to him
Speaker 1: maybe day, like I'm not gonna give up the story.
Speaker 1: You know, whatever happen. They didn't believe in the story
Speaker 1: story originally because they could have wrote it if they wanted.
Speaker 1: They knew the story was true. Yeah, they knew the story.
Speaker 1: None of the Cats, Jesse Cats at l A time,
Speaker 1: Jesse Cats could have wrote the story if he wanted to,
Speaker 1: but he didn't. He wanted Gary to give him the story,
Speaker 1: and Gary push Gary out and Gary wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: But a lot of these I think a lot of
Speaker 1: them didn't believe the story. I mean ship it was
Speaker 1: enough evidence. The judge even told it like right before trial,
Speaker 1: like even after the try, even if they lost, like
Speaker 1: when when we got sentenced and she said, you know,
Speaker 1: this could have went any either way. But all the
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm telling you, they wouldn't let him lit
Speaker 1: in court. Like none of the c A stuff was
Speaker 1: allowed in court. It was like we made up the story.
Speaker 1: So you don't think any of the stuff that Gary
Speaker 1: Webb was going through, contributed to any sort of depression
Speaker 1: that he might have had. I was talking to the
Speaker 1: guy all the time, Like, you know, the lady who
Speaker 1: gave him the story cor Boca. It was alledge that
Speaker 1: he started, you know, having affair with her, so his
Speaker 1: wife got caught up and that kind of stuff and
Speaker 1: all kind of stuff was happening with the story. Like
Speaker 1: and I was a really tight with good like you know,
Speaker 1: we developed a relationship because of the case. So what's
Speaker 1: your what do you think happened to him? He got
Speaker 1: Gilly said twice And now Reggie Um and James, what
Speaker 1: do you think the guy that wrote the book, he says,
Speaker 1: shot twice in the head? In the head? Right there?
Speaker 1: Is it possible to commit suicide with two gunshot wants
Speaker 1: to the head? I don't think so. I mean, you
Speaker 1: congraze yourself, but just not talked to the girl. He
Speaker 1: told me this is like he said. People was on
Speaker 1: the back of his pole working and he told me
Speaker 1: if he get killed, he didn't kill us up. I
Speaker 1: talked to him and he told me that. But why
Speaker 1: at that time, back by that time the story was
Speaker 1: already out in the San Jose didn't have another Oliver
Speaker 1: North book was already out. He was writing another story.
Speaker 1: I mean Oliver North was in that paper for Oliver
Speaker 1: North was on that case. He was on the first one,
Speaker 1: the second one. Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: didn't want another one that the government couldn't go through
Speaker 1: another one of those type of hearings, because what happened,
Speaker 1: like when he was talking about the Carry Commission, when
Speaker 1: they did that, it was really about the drug but
Speaker 1: they never talked about the drugs. They just talked about
Speaker 1: the guns and stuff. But the funding, the funding exactly.
Speaker 1: But when the planes was coming coming here, they was
Speaker 1: loaded with the cook and then they went back with
Speaker 1: the girls and so carry you know who was Secretary
Speaker 1: of State act. The question like why're we talking about
Speaker 1: the key was being over. It's all real. So John
Speaker 1: Kerry wanted to talk about it more. He didn't want
Speaker 1: the gun. He didn't want to talk about the guns
Speaker 1: because he knew they were beinging over at first. And
Speaker 1: he's a former presidential candidate, right, yeah, so he of
Speaker 1: course he wanted to deal with that explo you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately they got caught up in that Republican Democrats. Do
Speaker 1: you think it was political for John Carey, like he
Speaker 1: didn't really care. I think everything is political. But what
Speaker 1: I'm curious about is max and arters was so vocal
Speaker 1: about this in ninety six, nine seven, and then one
Speaker 1: day she wasn't talking about it anymore. Question and she
Speaker 1: just shut her mouth up on the topic, like did
Speaker 1: someone come knock on your door? I think they had
Speaker 1: something on her husband. But I answered that question because
Speaker 1: you know when I when I came because I had
Speaker 1: got out on Bill for like I on a few
Speaker 1: months and she got She actually helped me get out
Speaker 1: on the bed, like am I out on Bill? I
Speaker 1: go to the thing that they had when when uh
Speaker 1: what the head of the CIA, Deute came to Watts.
Speaker 1: I was there with Maxine that was incompetent, right, had locked.
Speaker 1: Y'all know who her husband was, right, you know he's
Speaker 1: the ambassador. The ambassador, So tell us about the incident
Speaker 1: that locked because that was a crowded room. It was
Speaker 1: in there. I stood up and told him they was lying.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, because they was telling the people,
Speaker 1: but they didn't know I was in there, Like as
Speaker 1: you can find it on the internet, like they were
Speaker 1: talking about well, you know, there's no evidence. It's made
Speaker 1: up story. We're still investigating from the FBI. And then
Speaker 1: I stood up and saving you're lying because you just
Speaker 1: think that gave me a paper said investigation was over
Speaker 1: and that we was going to prison. I was like
Speaker 1: stood up, like you know, I'm Chico, you know the data. No,
Speaker 1: I was in there, and I was like, you know
Speaker 1: y'all up here lying to the people talking about the
Speaker 1: investigation going on. I'm about to get sentence in it
Speaker 1: because I was about I had to go to court
Speaker 1: and like the next couple of days. But he was
Speaker 1: telling the people like, yeah, you know you were able
Speaker 1: to get out. I got out of like a mission,
Speaker 1: out of bill, like indecimil Like I remember going to
Speaker 1: Dr Dre New Year's party, so I think I got
Speaker 1: out of party the twenty ninth. But I had stayed
Speaker 1: in there for like a year, and he finally gave
Speaker 1: me a bill. So they gave me a bill after year,
Speaker 1: so I built out and then I went to I
Speaker 1: was actually had an office in Maxine office, sitting with
Speaker 1: her every day, so you had some important people behind
Speaker 1: you the whole way, Like I'm surprised you actually did
Speaker 1: any time on this case. Man, Well if we would
Speaker 1: have won the case, but I knew we wouldn't go
Speaker 1: win because it was too much like like when we
Speaker 1: was going to court like every day, like you know
Speaker 1: they had. I mean, there was so many CIA operative
Speaker 1: in there. It was like you gotta go like three
Speaker 1: or four medal detectives and then they say a black
Speaker 1: do ain't gonna show up. So when black don't show
Speaker 1: it up, I stood up and play guilty because we
Speaker 1: couldn't win with him showing up. Because even though all
Speaker 1: the stuff happened, they did not let us talk about
Speaker 1: the CIA and all of that stuff just alright, case
Speaker 1: we got busted with this and that's what it was.
Speaker 1: So they never lived. They didn't allow none of this
Speaker 1: just to happen, like talk about that what happened with
Speaker 1: the government to see IA and that. Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: reason why I don't assist people on federal cases because
Speaker 1: you don't have that leeway. You don't have that flexibility
Speaker 1: to express yourself on the views and opinions on a
Speaker 1: particular case and the facts. They want you to write
Speaker 1: every thing that you believe in, and then it gets
Speaker 1: presented to the U. S attorney. Then the U s
Speaker 1: attorney will go to the judge and say, I don't
Speaker 1: want alexand this. I don't want Alexander and I don't
Speaker 1: want him saying that you're talking about as a witness,
Speaker 1: as an expert consultant. Yeah, and the fact that this
Speaker 1: is how, this is what happened in the federal kid,
Speaker 1: but the state they're not that strict on the state trial. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother was actually fighting the federal cage
Speaker 1: with a gun and they was trying to give out
Speaker 1: four years. Four oh when they offered you six years,
Speaker 1: but if you go to try and lose like that's yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So they was bringing up all the things that he
Speaker 1: did in his past and this is gonna get you
Speaker 1: fifty years. So I mean, this is why the conviction
Speaker 1: ready to show goddamn how people take a deal. But
Speaker 1: you know it's when you look back at your cage.
Speaker 1: Do you think that if I fought it, I might
Speaker 1: have won it maybe or do you just already know
Speaker 1: that there was no winning that case. No, because for
Speaker 1: my case is like I would like they had me,
Speaker 1: they had me like this then Rick, Like, but what
Speaker 1: I mean by winning it, we know you did what
Speaker 1: they say you did, but there's all these other entities
Speaker 1: involved that will get exposed in the trial. Therefore, maybe
Speaker 1: Chicos not as guilty. Uh, the government has to take
Speaker 1: some culpability in this as well, and maybe we'll give
Speaker 1: you a path. If they would have, if they would
Speaker 1: allow us to talk about the stuff about the CIA,
Speaker 1: would happen everything we couldn't even that wasn't no defense
Speaker 1: for us. We got caught with it and they had everything. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's say you go to trial, though Danilo Blond don't
Speaker 1: has to come and testify against you. Did that up? Okay,
Speaker 1: but your attorney can cross examine him. They did that,
Speaker 1: They did all that. Rick went to trial and he
Speaker 1: was banking up. We're always making that thing because the
Speaker 1: lady Core told us and then Gary us, no way
Speaker 1: he's gonna show it because you have any trapment case. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: they almost, but yeah they so does hone keylo. They
Speaker 1: had the word, not us. They had the words the cocaine, cocaine.
Speaker 1: But just think how many times they usually cocaine to
Speaker 1: get people like you and the rush got the pictures
Speaker 1: of cocaine and the drug dealers making the transaction and
Speaker 1: get caught it's the bed saying we are drug dealers.
Speaker 1: I got a honey keys you want to buy them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the FEDS selling cocaine to dude who us
Speaker 1: already out the game and didn't even want to participate anymore.
Speaker 1: That don't even matter. You ain't not the game. If
Speaker 1: I'm a journal on that case, I'm looking at the man.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling cheeko on this ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like man and THI law enforcement. No I'm not.
Speaker 1: That's how law enforcement. I'm mad THI. It's unfair. I
Speaker 1: believe unfair. Man, you know at the Radio City Hall
Speaker 1: or you know, his his foundation, what he was about
Speaker 1: to you know, I forget what he called it, his
Speaker 1: hall that he was about to make there and then
Speaker 1: say hey, here it is. I gave a couple of days, Uh,
Speaker 1: bring me some money to do that. Then maybe that's
Speaker 1: a little. So if you're on Chico Brown's jury, you're
Speaker 1: you're saying guilty. Oh wow, I couldn't even even if
Speaker 1: the judge let some of this other stuff come in
Speaker 1: about to see, that's different. But they didn't live there,
Speaker 1: allowed none of it to come in. Like we couldn't
Speaker 1: even talk about it. They wouldn't even like you know,
Speaker 1: my lawyer got up and said he talked about it
Speaker 1: like you no, we oh listen strike that we can't
Speaker 1: even mention. It's about to see how you can't none
Speaker 1: of this stuff. So Rick tried this and trial you
Speaker 1: can't mention I tried was just we got caught with
Speaker 1: a honey. The jury never knew that police just the
Speaker 1: ones that shoulder that the afterwards over they don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about the CIA because this would happen now then
Speaker 1: do now? But this even happened to us like we
Speaker 1: were so we're in there like we just getting let
Speaker 1: us from say trust HASKI. He wanted to do life
Speaker 1: story on us, so he wrote as a letter they
Speaker 1: went raided his office in New York, so that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff down and said we made this story up,
Speaker 1: like like damn, this is a rap. So I didn't
Speaker 1: want another. Did you start feeling like people don't even
Speaker 1: want to talk to me now? People don't want to
Speaker 1: come visit me, people don't want to call me because
Speaker 1: of what's happening to people that have contact with you.
Speaker 1: But we was like for like I mean, before he
Speaker 1: wrote the book. Before the book came up, we knew this,
Speaker 1: but nobody else knew this, like Maxine and knew it,
Speaker 1: but the book don't don't come out until, like I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the book came up when I
Speaker 1: had got out of bed. The book came out, I think,
Speaker 1: and I remember going to the story to get the book,
Speaker 1: but he kept saying wait till the book come out,
Speaker 1: wait till it would come out. So pretty much got
Speaker 1: out on the pills. Then yeah, because they a second time,
Speaker 1: because it was like it's like they wasn't with two cases.
Speaker 1: That's really one case. So you end up been extra strike.
Speaker 1: So the career criminals we got life. So you end
Speaker 1: up winning both of the pills. So he end up
Speaker 1: he end up getting sixteen at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I just watched an interview on lad Well Freeway. Say
Speaker 1: he was doing a hundred A hundred keys a day?
Speaker 1: Is the exaggerating a little bit A hundred a day.
Speaker 1: I mean they had a direct connect with danil O
Speaker 1: Blonde hing if you got a hundred of the day,
Speaker 1: you got forty cats out there. That's on that level.
Speaker 1: Checking him out of towns. Nothing. I've never even seen
Speaker 1: a keyload of coke I've never seen. I've seen that.
Speaker 1: I've seen a quarter key. That's the most. Nine that's
Speaker 1: the most I've ever seen. So the thing about a
Speaker 1: hundred keys, what's the most you've ever seen? I never
Speaker 1: seen the key either. Wow, I would have thought of
Speaker 1: in the in the evidence room, there's not a key
Speaker 1: sitting in and they let me in there. I saw
Speaker 1: sixty three keys, to be honest. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I know about the incident with uh what what's that
Speaker 1: boy name? Community? And then I gave Think credit for
Speaker 1: with the trailer that keys. So the Dark Lines came out.
Speaker 1: So that was two years after he wrote those articles
Speaker 1: in the San Jose Mercury News. No, they came out
Speaker 1: before is when he put the story in the newspaper.
Speaker 1: And then he took those three stories and made that
Speaker 1: into the book because I went to get the newspaper
Speaker 1: when he like, I actually have the original print outs
Speaker 1: off the internet, and they had the cover was somebody
Speaker 1: hitting the pipe with the CIA logo around it, and
Speaker 1: the CIA said to the San Jose Mark Renews, take
Speaker 1: our logo off of that article. That's a copyright infringement
Speaker 1: because they didn't like the way they had a crack
Speaker 1: pipe in the middle of the logo, but I was
Speaker 1: I was able to print it out with that original logo.
Speaker 1: Remember that, Yeah, I haven't. So I'm the asshole on
Speaker 1: this uh, on this panel. I gotta ask you, bro,
Speaker 1: how what do you feel? Or how do you feel?
Speaker 1: And I know you're doing a lot with the community
Speaker 1: and the youngsters now and we're gonna talk about that too. Um,
Speaker 1: and we get into that. But when some people would say, um,
Speaker 1: the you and free freeway was the cause of a
Speaker 1: lot of the black families being messed up in America,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, we didn't know no better because it
Speaker 1: was at the early age, you know, so this is
Speaker 1: all new, Like this was new to us, like even
Speaker 1: and we didn't know how it's gonna affect people, even
Speaker 1: that it was going to genocide or dude, have this
Speaker 1: long lasting effect on our community as it happen, homes,
Speaker 1: everything destroyed the black man. But it was all pre playing. Man,
Speaker 1: that's some stuff. It was already out there. You don't
Speaker 1: start doing it anyway. Well, the first case, so we're
Speaker 1: talked about, he's talking about the second case. Well, there
Speaker 1: was never any purchase made on the second case, so
Speaker 1: damage done them. But you know, uh, they never bought
Speaker 1: the hundred keys. Yeah, it's something about the history of
Speaker 1: selling drugs. Yeah, that's all I'm just saying. You know
Speaker 1: a lot of people would say, well, you know freeway
Speaker 1: in but there's a market for drugs, for drugs in America.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna sell those drugs to the people who they
Speaker 1: were the ones that did it. They didn't well they
Speaker 1: didn't have ships, that's what I was. They didn't bring
Speaker 1: it over here. Well, it was brought to a little
Speaker 1: bit of everybody because when it first came out, I
Speaker 1: remember in the hood and eighty. I mean it was
Speaker 1: popping for everybody. And who who do you think was
Speaker 1: the source of I don't know who it was. I
Speaker 1: didn't go to the time when it came. You know,
Speaker 1: it was something different for us because now we're buying,
Speaker 1: you know, doing different ship, but were also selling it
Speaker 1: to people. Some of our good friends I know of
Speaker 1: are still on drugs right now today, Like Coon Dog,
Speaker 1: you know from the neighborhood, he's still on it right now.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And that's from night. But
Speaker 1: we know more people on Shirm than anything else. Probably
Speaker 1: back the end of the seventies, but they got right
Speaker 1: get reverted because it's so hard. But in the eighties
Speaker 1: and the nineties rock cocaine was affecting the black community
Speaker 1: and the black family more than anything. If you don't
Speaker 1: know someone in your family that was addicted to that, well,
Speaker 1: I think it was people. They was on the potter.
Speaker 1: They weren't on that rock and destroyed, destroying. Really like
Speaker 1: if we talked about comes and it's Compton up a man,
Speaker 1: I know him, Compton, how bad it was people walking people,
Speaker 1: how houses getting burgeraged? He was affected somewhere. You had
Speaker 1: your your kids stealing from the mama's and daddies. I
Speaker 1: mean not the two police reports where they were taking
Speaker 1: the TVs out of the house to take to the man.
Speaker 1: I used to do a stolen vehicle report every day
Speaker 1: and it was definitely for not people on the level
Speaker 1: that that they were accused of being on. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about just for the strawberry is going to give up
Speaker 1: the car to the little thirteen fourteen year old guys
Speaker 1: giving the cars that they can ride around and then
Speaker 1: as soon as they sold broke up, they gonna fow
Speaker 1: a police report. It was just don't even look at
Speaker 1: like our parents was buying homes and compting, and there's
Speaker 1: a gap like in the eighties, like we were supposed
Speaker 1: to be buying losing it because because the kids on
Speaker 1: crack grandmother then sold the house Grandma Grandma. Then then
Speaker 1: it just devastated, not just compting. Everywhere you go, every
Speaker 1: black communter was those people over there. And then we
Speaker 1: used to that was like the crackhouse and everybody just
Speaker 1: going that was what coming to my house. Yeah she was,
Speaker 1: she got rid of some time. But I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just the choices that people make. And now like today,
Speaker 1: like you, you're trying to make a difference. You're trying
Speaker 1: to get back from what you where you felt that
Speaker 1: you wasn't wrong. Get I mean, do you really think
Speaker 1: you old? When I came home, Like for real, when
Speaker 1: I when I first came home, I immediately started working
Speaker 1: at a place called home because, um, well your heart
Speaker 1: seem to have been there the first time. Yeah, Robert Greenwell,
Speaker 1: who was the movie producer Accident, what you wanted to like,
Speaker 1: I gotta get back. That was my whole thing was
Speaker 1: giving back. Uh, And so I started working at the
Speaker 1: place come home and then I saw them kids, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like, you know me sell dru exisen. So
Speaker 1: I'm like talking to him like, man, you're going to prison,
Speaker 1: Like this is what's gonna happen at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. This was gonna happen no matter how much
Speaker 1: money you make. And then the day like even when
Speaker 1: we really get called, it's like, damn, this was pre
Speaker 1: playing a year ago. They for a year like in
Speaker 1: my first case, it was like six year investigation, like
Speaker 1: this is like and then with Rick, they waited for
Speaker 1: him to get up. It was already pre playing, like
Speaker 1: let's set this back up. And when it was mad,
Speaker 1: it was mad. What was that because he testified against
Speaker 1: a bunch of cops exactly. So I get caught up
Speaker 1: and rixed. I get caught up on he test his
Speaker 1: police and he tell he'd tell you he too, like
Speaker 1: the other day I saw he was talking about it.
Speaker 1: But like I really didn't have nothing to do with
Speaker 1: that situation. I really just came on and you wish
Speaker 1: you didn't have no money? Then I was broken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's that's how I get a caught up in
Speaker 1: this situation. I'm surprised people call him a snitch because
Speaker 1: he's exposed about him. What's that? Yeah? Have you heard that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think when you're when you're exposing beure
Speaker 1: a practic and the fiction to corruption. That movie with
Speaker 1: the lay in, that's why he gets the past. You
Speaker 1: got it just died Ray Lucas. Yeah, that's why you
Speaker 1: get past because he was like, I only took down
Speaker 1: police crookeet cops. Okay, um, talk a little bit more
Speaker 1: about a place called Home? Where was it located? How
Speaker 1: did you get that job? And what was it like there?
Speaker 1: Place called Home was the seventh and Central and uh,
Speaker 1: what happened? Gary? Uh? What's his name? Robert Greenwall who
Speaker 1: bought the Robbert Greenwall had bought the rights to the
Speaker 1: book about Me and Rick, and so he's coming. He
Speaker 1: visited me while I'm in prison. He was like, so, Cheeka,
Speaker 1: what you gonna do when you come home? I said,
Speaker 1: I gotta get back. I got you back to the kids.
Speaker 1: And he actually was on the board at a Place
Speaker 1: Go Home. He said, go talk to Deba. She's the
Speaker 1: founder of Place Go Home and if you if you
Speaker 1: want to work there, you can work there. So they won.
Speaker 1: When I came home, I stopped working at the place
Speaker 1: go Home. I started as and when year was at
Speaker 1: uh two thousand one place I call home, being around
Speaker 1: a while because I remember back in ninety six Sugar
Speaker 1: did some I think he donated a studio or something.
Speaker 1: The studio stud I just went up an other day.
Speaker 1: So I came home in two thousand one and I
Speaker 1: met you shortly after you came home. Then my first
Speaker 1: office was two thousand and one on Adams, and I
Speaker 1: came to you. Yeah. Yeah, I had my little spot
Speaker 1: on Adams and Normandy, which is an area where I
Speaker 1: grew up at had my first little office. It was
Speaker 1: so tiny, it was twelve feet by upstairs, yeh, upstairs.
Speaker 1: And then I grew out of that office and got
Speaker 1: one on Wilshire and uh. But yeah, man, at that time,
Speaker 1: you were at a place called home and just like
Speaker 1: you know, helping the kids, doing game provention programs. And
Speaker 1: I started a sports program, a a U team because
Speaker 1: I was started the kids, you know, and then I'm
Speaker 1: one of the kids really participating in basketball. So you
Speaker 1: end up starting them programs and educational program So first
Speaker 1: I thought I was just gonna go up there and
Speaker 1: just you know, get out for parole. So I was
Speaker 1: still I really started liking the kids. So I started
Speaker 1: going to Compton and pick up the kids, like the
Speaker 1: Morrow and then the kids people. Ya don't know that
Speaker 1: he he was very instrumental helping the Morrow, the Rosa, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, get his get his career going on the South.
Speaker 1: So I got a few kids right now and that's
Speaker 1: in the league. Like when I started the traveling team,
Speaker 1: end up building it from one team to like eight teams,
Speaker 1: and I'm traveling all over with the kids raising money.
Speaker 1: Um that was my nister. I knew how to raise
Speaker 1: the money because I had a lot of celebrities, and
Speaker 1: so I've raised money to take these kids all over
Speaker 1: the country. You also, uh have a good relationship with
Speaker 1: mamter P. That relationship we've been tight even like families
Speaker 1: from Louisiana. So we actually friends before we even he
Speaker 1: made it big. We knew each other. Then my father
Speaker 1: knew his father, that kind of stuff. So now you
Speaker 1: grew up in Compton, What part of Compton, what neighborhood
Speaker 1: area where did you first, you know, get your start
Speaker 1: at and in uh Compton corner pocket, coming by crib stones.
Speaker 1: My neighbors like I'm I'm been knowing them all my life.
Speaker 1: We grew up on the same street. What's that Jerry
Speaker 1: Stone and what's the other one? Michael Michael Stone, Anthony
Speaker 1: and punching and all. I'm like, we lived like four
Speaker 1: houses that five hours of down. So it was it
Speaker 1: like growing up over there in corner Pocket. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was it was growing up then. You know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about sixty four when I was born. I mean
Speaker 1: I got shot in seventy six, like when I was twelve,
Speaker 1: gang violence stuff like that. But fifty four, yeah, look
Speaker 1: good for you. Yeah. So I mean just like any
Speaker 1: other normal family growing up, and you know, the gang
Speaker 1: stuff start coming. I think Pocketed like seventy two. So
Speaker 1: I was not involved in it until like seventy seven,
Speaker 1: seventy eight, just claiming neighbor because it wasn't I didn't
Speaker 1: get jumped in the gang. This is where I'm from,
Speaker 1: so I didn't had to get jump in the game.
Speaker 1: This is where you know, we riding bikes and stuff
Speaker 1: like that that we became that going to Pocket. It's
Speaker 1: like just like every neighborhood had started. Like you you're
Speaker 1: fund man, that's where you're gonna be fun. You've been
Speaker 1: a company guy in freeway in l a guy had
Speaker 1: tod y'all meet just having money type, like you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff being in the game. You know
Speaker 1: each other, you know each other, like, oh, that's food
Speaker 1: from you, you know. And then I mean, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't just regular dudes on the street, you know, it
Speaker 1: was just it was just money, like, yeah, a little
Speaker 1: bit better in the game than others. And you're right there.
Speaker 1: The Carver Carver Park is close by to Carver Park,
Speaker 1: you know. Then Clocketing Carver Park was tight when we
Speaker 1: like I went to sten you for my first year
Speaker 1: un till my friend Norman got killed like nineteen eighty,
Speaker 1: like got shot in the head with me there. So
Speaker 1: that was like one of the biggest well not the biggest,
Speaker 1: but one of the first out of school nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: So I got shot in the head while we're going
Speaker 1: to centen because then that Centennia was cryptonpart over there anyway.
Speaker 1: But then it was like then when he got killed,
Speaker 1: they kicked all of us out and we end up
Speaker 1: going to compt and that's how we had like we
Speaker 1: had to go to compt and like kicked everybody out
Speaker 1: that lives in the pocket, so district. We got to
Speaker 1: redistrict this real quick. And James, you went to Centennial also, right,
Speaker 1: I went. I didn't go to class, but I went
Speaker 1: to Jenny Man. I I remember like putting us to
Speaker 1: come up there, like you know, I was, I was
Speaker 1: ditching in the ninth grade. I was going with the
Speaker 1: Walton but I used to go up there. But she
Speaker 1: used to come up there, Like, man, why is this
Speaker 1: old dude coming up there? Man? Grade? Like he'd come
Speaker 1: up there because hang out selling single joints. He's talking
Speaker 1: about putting y'all, yeah, picking up his good friends. That
Speaker 1: was then. That was. But to me, I ask you,
Speaker 1: do you regret any of that the game banging days.
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people died, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people that you know, it's terrible if you really
Speaker 1: think about like that's the stupidest shit ever, Like if
Speaker 1: you think about it now, like how do you even
Speaker 1: I think about it now? And and I do say,
Speaker 1: you know, if I know what I know now, I
Speaker 1: would have never been like that. Um. I think gang
Speaker 1: banging create monsters inside of the ball of us, you know,
Speaker 1: and then when you get older, you you reflecting that
Speaker 1: should and you'll be saying like damn, I know I
Speaker 1: wouldn't get down like that, you know. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of times, like even your brother used to be
Speaker 1: in a cart with me, like because because Manny and
Speaker 1: I raq all in my family so used to go
Speaker 1: over there, like they all knew me because I was
Speaker 1: you know, I was hitting everybody over there. So it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, people gave me a pass because
Speaker 1: of that reason. Like I remember, just like I mean,
Speaker 1: you're bringing everybody, you got them all right, ship got
Speaker 1: riding motorcycles and cause anybody not just saying nothing to
Speaker 1: that guy. So it was cool with a lot of pirrous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like everybody in FRUITTI like it was all about that,
Speaker 1: like purple okay whatever. A lot of people at a
Speaker 1: Staters out of towners don't understand the idea that Piru
Speaker 1: and the crib Can function together. Were the same bus
Speaker 1: to school with the team. The bus picked us up
Speaker 1: in stock with they get they come from that side,
Speaker 1: get on the bus and we came from this side.
Speaker 1: Kind of bus. We fought on all the way to
Speaker 1: the things back they pick us up, dropping back off.
Speaker 1: It's crazy ship. This is you know, this is eighty Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, you got a lot of like you say,
Speaker 1: eighties people are getting shot in eighty two, but not
Speaker 1: like you know eighties, five, six, eight up, but like
Speaker 1: eighty yeah started game making them start to been able
Speaker 1: to get the high. Yeah that control. Then you don't
Speaker 1: have to break in the neighborhouse to get the guy girlfriend. However,
Speaker 1: you got it now. I noticed over the years, you
Speaker 1: don't really talk a lot about the neighborhood you grew
Speaker 1: up in. I was wondering you just you don't really
Speaker 1: go there too much. I mean, you know, everybody, especially
Speaker 1: people from Compton, are always saying what part of the
Speaker 1: neighborhood they're from or where they grew up. And he
Speaker 1: was mainly known as the man not a game. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's true. You know both parts played. He played both parts,
Speaker 1: but that he may have one title, yeah yeah, the
Speaker 1: kid of titles. So even carrying those titles. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, some of the little kids might look at
Speaker 1: you right now and say that's what's going right there.
Speaker 1: That's when they used to. I mean it's crazy because
Speaker 1: you can't. People want did you live past that? That's
Speaker 1: true because you know, I put I put my name
Speaker 1: in there they say Corning Pike Crib like on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't let you live past that. Even with all
Speaker 1: the stuff that I do now, and there's always like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's either the Cohen Pike Crib is either
Speaker 1: the Freeway race story it's up. It ain't that out.
Speaker 1: And I've done films. I just you know, I did
Speaker 1: the movie VACS, like about the vaccination. I got some
Speaker 1: stuff that I've done. I gotta deal with Netflix. I
Speaker 1: really do movies now, but it's still, you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's just now saying that I'm a producer um
Speaker 1: CEO this company. But it took a while. Well let's
Speaker 1: talk about that Netflix deal. That was a Compton project.
Speaker 1: Let's take us to the beginning of that that deal
Speaker 1: right there. Well, this was something I was already doing.
Speaker 1: And a matter of fact, Timmy Rule, Timmy Rout was
Speaker 1: with me when I first started this, like I was
Speaker 1: building houses in Competent and him and man when I
Speaker 1: first started doing this in Competent. What happened We started
Speaker 1: that guys did a game prevention program in Compton. We
Speaker 1: started off with like eight dudes, not four dudes. It's stuff.
Speaker 1: Then when big I don't know it's hundreds of dudes coming.
Speaker 1: I satted up celebrity baseball game cripts and pie routs, right,
Speaker 1: I mean every neighborhood was involved, and so it was
Speaker 1: promised jobs, you know, the dudes like, yeah, I'll do this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make sure y'all get some jobs and ship.
Speaker 1: It never happened. So I decided like, oh man, this
Speaker 1: is terrible. Like the dudes looking at me like chick man,
Speaker 1: he said this, you said that, And I was like,
Speaker 1: So I started a person in the house and come.
Speaker 1: So I put the house like, man, this is what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get the house. I know
Speaker 1: all y'all learned to scale like in jail. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take y'all and y'all gonna fix the house, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay y'all like that. So I was doing that.
Speaker 1: I was going to the mile, but I was getting them.
Speaker 1: I was throughtown and so I put five cripts and
Speaker 1: five pipe routs together. So I started building houses in Compton,
Speaker 1: just refurbishing them. I was paying them out of my pocket,
Speaker 1: like I give. I was giving him a hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a day. I think I had twelve to it because
Speaker 1: I was paying the twelve OEt of dollars of day.
Speaker 1: So this kept going on for years. I was kept
Speaker 1: buying houses, kept eating in the house. And then I'm
Speaker 1: telling Penny Penny more so, like she said, so what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Like are you're giving back? Like yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing, she said. So I had
Speaker 1: videotapes on my phone and I was showing them like
Speaker 1: these dudes in these Christian PROBERTI was they getting a loan. Look,
Speaker 1: they're really getting a loan because they're working. And so
Speaker 1: Penny were like, what you call Mark, Mark Wahlburt, And
Speaker 1: she said, called Mark and show him this. I think
Speaker 1: this is something that you can do and we should
Speaker 1: really get behind you and help you. So Mark told
Speaker 1: me to come to his house. I went to his
Speaker 1: house and I showed it to him. Like she goes,
Speaker 1: what if you what if you start building like Youth
Speaker 1: Sentence in Compton and baseball Field, But you know if
Speaker 1: if they if the if the buildings are available, we'll
Speaker 1: help you raise the money to buy the building. So
Speaker 1: I'm like cool, Like all right, So I went to
Speaker 1: count and found the buildings like say, like Cynthia and
Speaker 1: the building that was one of the first ones. I
Speaker 1: was gonna do it, like yeah, but I and I
Speaker 1: and I said it was cool because I like, I
Speaker 1: just want to redo it. Like so now at this
Speaker 1: point is like, okay, you gotta get permission from the city, like, okay,
Speaker 1: write a proposed. I did all that stuff, so I
Speaker 1: got Mark Warburg and then like give me the money,
Speaker 1: you know, Chico, go ahead and just do it and
Speaker 1: just keep doing it. Rebuild your sitting. Then we would
Speaker 1: come making. So that's where at first I had an
Speaker 1: HBO and then we took it to somewhere else than Netflix.
Speaker 1: Loved the idea. Some Netflix like it's great, you can meet,
Speaker 1: let's do that. So I ended up submitting about proposal.
Speaker 1: But we still work. We never started working. So the
Speaker 1: dudes is working filming. I was feeling like six or
Speaker 1: seven months because the dudes. I got the dudes working,
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking no reason that they would say no
Speaker 1: because I'm giving the money. I got the dudes working,
Speaker 1: and the dudes everybody happy because they getting you know,
Speaker 1: I'm paying the twelve huts weeks. So everybody just working
Speaker 1: and happy. And then what happened when they denied this
Speaker 1: because of the you know with the politics. Okay, talk
Speaker 1: about how that vote had a impact on this program.
Speaker 1: Let me be advocate to say their side of the
Speaker 1: of the of why they say, because I'm a little
Speaker 1: confused on why does the Compton City Council have any
Speaker 1: say so over a private show between private entities because
Speaker 1: the buildings that I wanted to do was owned by
Speaker 1: the city by the city, and it was in redevelopment,
Speaker 1: and that they were having to while put all this
Speaker 1: money into a building when they have to give it
Speaker 1: back to the state. Is the people that against But
Speaker 1: it was all politics. It was this young lady on
Speaker 1: the board, uh Jana um Zarita, I'm saying her name correct.
Speaker 1: And the young lady that he has a good relationship
Speaker 1: with his the mayor, which is Asia Brown. Anything that
Speaker 1: she was voting and someone got her on on tape
Speaker 1: and it anything that she the Asia was four or
Speaker 1: even it was good for the city. And that don't
Speaker 1: make no sense because years this is his money he's
Speaker 1: putting up. Now, if you're helping us, this man is
Speaker 1: helping gang bangers get to get off the street. Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody else doing this in Compton? I got down down
Speaker 1: in one work Big Dave Ducky, I mean ship, I
Speaker 1: had everybody on the thing like you know still today,
Speaker 1: Well they'd need a job. They got Chris Brown in
Speaker 1: the head locked right now, and you know what that's
Speaker 1: that is so crazy, all all your rivals, you're working
Speaker 1: with him in that you did win him in a
Speaker 1: different way. And that's that's the coldest part about this.
Speaker 1: Everybody don't see you got you got Bloods, Encryption, Compton
Speaker 1: finding each other, killing each other every day. But now
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you got a man
Speaker 1: hiring Bloods, which he could have kept that just to
Speaker 1: his side of the city. It was worth you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta sacrifice stuff to happen. It was worth
Speaker 1: it in my opinion, for for that to go down,
Speaker 1: because that eventually hurt her. He lost her job as
Speaker 1: a June. Jana's Rita is not a city council member.
Speaker 1: Should you shooting put this again? You know, and they
Speaker 1: want me to bring it back, but it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: the controversion that went, Like Netflix never wanted the consperence.
Speaker 1: It was just me going in there to do Gonzales part,
Speaker 1: to do Sentiate building, to do the golf course, like
Speaker 1: the controversy like Chico, you know, what's this conference? Why
Speaker 1: is they saying no? They couldn't believe that they were
Speaker 1: saying no when I raised the money to bring it
Speaker 1: to the city, and what they would say, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to like both sides to tell it.
Speaker 1: They would say, well, we don't need to do anything.
Speaker 1: You heard, you heard nobody this offer on the on
Speaker 1: the golf course. That's golfing. You hurd the homeless. So
Speaker 1: why you ain't going out to help the homeless and
Speaker 1: all of that. But it wasn't about that. It was
Speaker 1: just that they anything positive. That's why our streets and
Speaker 1: all of that is still messed up in the city.
Speaker 1: It's because anything that was positives going on those three
Speaker 1: those those three they they they voted that like it laughs.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling them, like when they did that, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, we sideboard like that, I really
Speaker 1: did this. You're gonna do this for real? And they
Speaker 1: were like, well, you know, but every three no votes though,
Speaker 1: so it took more than she controlled all three of
Speaker 1: the votes. So if there was a revote and after
Speaker 1: the council members changed, like you said, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go through the red tape and all the politics
Speaker 1: down there, and they're gonna say yeah, like they will
Speaker 1: say because it's something positive. I mean, this literally cost
Speaker 1: this woman her job, I believe, Like I mean, iked
Speaker 1: no question to co Yeah, yeah, this cost to her
Speaker 1: her job, and so I'm pretty sure she would she
Speaker 1: would retake Well, what really cost her job is because
Speaker 1: it happens all the time, but somebody was smart enough
Speaker 1: to catch it on tape, her pretty much saying it,
Speaker 1: and the social media. I was filming the show, right,
Speaker 1: it's five cameras in there, and I got post sole
Speaker 1: around the wall that we're filming show in the Mexican
Speaker 1: guy stood up and said, while all these cameras in there,
Speaker 1: that's on the tape too, and they told him that
Speaker 1: the city manager said he has the right and he
Speaker 1: has to permit. They said all of this in there,
Speaker 1: and she still made the statement and said all that
Speaker 1: about the man the East Ship and die she would
Speaker 1: never vote for She said that on tape that I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody media, I'm sure to you, I have the whole trailer,
Speaker 1: like it's terrible to watch, Like, so, how difficult will
Speaker 1: it be to reconnect with Netflix after the no vote.
Speaker 1: Are we still talking? And what's it like working with
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg? Mark? Mark is a real dude, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I've traveled with him, like you know, go to Boston
Speaker 1: was parents and Mark actually helped He gave me, like
Speaker 1: you know, I bought the building. He actually bought a
Speaker 1: building for me on Weston like years ago, like probably
Speaker 1: twelve years ago. Like I've been working with once since
Speaker 1: I came home. So's he's actually acutive producer of other
Speaker 1: TV show meet him and Penny sause they could produce
Speaker 1: that is those names, those names alone, lay ship want
Speaker 1: to do it? Yeah, with just those two names alone.
Speaker 1: So without Penny, uh, does it create challenges to keep
Speaker 1: the show going. The only thing was messed up the
Speaker 1: show was the consen what's is crazy to me? And
Speaker 1: the show was gonna show not only show was gonna
Speaker 1: help a content. We're just gonna take this to New
Speaker 1: York Chicago and do it all over, do it all
Speaker 1: over and take the guys from their city and show
Speaker 1: that you got Krypton pote roules who was killing each
Speaker 1: other and yeah, and I'll be getting calls from right
Speaker 1: now like we had do the show like even like
Speaker 1: Lord l A. Lynnwood. You know they want me to
Speaker 1: come to the city. That's just too positive for these
Speaker 1: for people, just too well, no, I think the right,
Speaker 1: that's all. Yeah, that's all. It was just fortunately for
Speaker 1: the city and the community. You know, you need to invest,
Speaker 1: I mean investigate the part about what they are saying
Speaker 1: about the state owned buildings, you know and REDI development.
Speaker 1: But that's their biggest that's their only defense is that
Speaker 1: the building that they're about to invest the money and
Speaker 1: we have to get back to the state. We don't
Speaker 1: the city, meaning the city doesn't own them. So the
Speaker 1: City of commun doesn't even own these buildings. That's what
Speaker 1: they say. That's what they say, that they own the building.
Speaker 1: Like they're take it that we've been working at the
Speaker 1: golf of course sixty years. Will who the guy that
Speaker 1: runs the golf course, part three sixty part three of them,
Speaker 1: there's never been no work done on the golf course.
Speaker 1: So when I went over there and asked him, he
Speaker 1: was so happy, like, you know, we're gonna do this,
Speaker 1: and I like, you know, have a celebrity golf thing
Speaker 1: here and make sure that your building, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's been a million dollars on this building, but if
Speaker 1: they're just gonna make people come to Compton. He was
Speaker 1: so hurt that he didn't get past man like he
Speaker 1: actually quit. He's a city employee, you've been there for
Speaker 1: six t is who's the front running from city manager
Speaker 1: now that I Rambo resigned, resigned and like that everything
Speaker 1: that happened happened for a reason, like it just to
Speaker 1: do a big curve in the whole Compton politics. What
Speaker 1: was it? Was it true to Jana not Jana Satra
Speaker 1: and Rambo was in a relationship party that that I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I know who who does this? No
Speaker 1: vote hurt the most that this project got stalled, Like
Speaker 1: who's who's really affected by this? The most people to
Speaker 1: own a building decryption problem was me? It is bestly too,
Speaker 1: because you know it's about production. A lot of people
Speaker 1: mad at you because they think you have something to
Speaker 1: do with the no vote. No, that you didn't do something,
Speaker 1: You didn't work hard enough to get this voted through
Speaker 1: on like every day, Like like the crew is say,
Speaker 1: altogether there has to be like thirty or forty years old,
Speaker 1: is that they did all this go down? The actually
Speaker 1: feeling we started feeling problems and when they got finally
Speaker 1: denied December. It's not that old six months ago Decembers,
Speaker 1: but you know we still meet. You know, it would
Speaker 1: end up building the studio, like a private studio in
Speaker 1: the building some stuff, like found the building in Compton,
Speaker 1: Like we we meet over there now. But it's it's
Speaker 1: just like the city of have nothing to do with it. Well,
Speaker 1: we still talk, like we still talk every day. What
Speaker 1: it did, dude like got her all office, got dudes
Speaker 1: that we're never talking like her in and then somebody
Speaker 1: else little yeah, the other dude trying to Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not good to all on yourself with people. So
Speaker 1: if Omar was actually Mayor, this wouldn't happen either, because
Speaker 1: he was together. He was actually helping her. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: didn't want to associate herself with him too much. Help
Speaker 1: Asia Okay, not Asia, Jina Okay. Yeah, Omar was held
Speaker 1: from Jina and it kind of hurt him. He kind
Speaker 1: of try to say a distance because him and the
Speaker 1: roy Guillery doesn't get along that well. They called him
Speaker 1: Bishop or something like that, but they don't get on,
Speaker 1: and so he was trying to cut a distance. But
Speaker 1: of course Bishop is getting the blame down for you know,
Speaker 1: because Omar said to see if he would listen to me,
Speaker 1: you were the one. So they're gonna through all of
Speaker 1: that right now. But I got a question, Yeah, do
Speaker 1: you do you or have you had any resistance from
Speaker 1: different sides, like how do you balance this guy's working together?
Speaker 1: We had to meet the Compton party two or three weeks.
Speaker 1: It tells the age of the people. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the biggin. You got to know the age of you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, older dudes like me. But then we
Speaker 1: bought the younger dudes in by three weeks ago at
Speaker 1: the church. It was it was interesting, Okay, what age
Speaker 1: is that when you say younger eight? Usually the hardheads.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it kind of went down, but
Speaker 1: it was cool. It was like it was in the
Speaker 1: newspaper of the day that that stuff that was in.
Speaker 1: It was time to the nice art that we did it.
Speaker 1: It was real nice though. It was like it was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, pot the seventy eight of us. The
Speaker 1: meeting went good. We're talking about the meeting went good.
Speaker 1: It went good, but you know it got kind of
Speaker 1: heated and ship well, I mean, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: have some knuckleheads in the crowd. You know you got those.
Speaker 1: I'm this for one hundred on both sides. My question
Speaker 1: is like just like just working with both sides. No, Man,
Speaker 1: that was like the most excited and fascinating stuff because
Speaker 1: we really get you know. I mean there's people who
Speaker 1: shot somebody from my neighborhood and we noticed, like you're
Speaker 1: shot in and shot him. We're talking about this. You're
Speaker 1: all doing the ninety two right, I mean the truths. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we talked about that too. That did not work out, Will, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were like, when you know, no, I worked out
Speaker 1: pretty good. Come one had the lowest crime rate yan
Speaker 1: gang homicide rate since the year following. It had its
Speaker 1: own reasons for not It may not have lasted as
Speaker 1: long as people wanted it to last, but some people
Speaker 1: will tell you that it still lasted to them. You know.
Speaker 1: It had a different impact on everyone in a different way,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think it did have an impact.
Speaker 1: Look at them homicide number. You have the right guys
Speaker 1: over the little youngsters that that will that that that
Speaker 1: have enough influence over them to talk. That's the main thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the youngsters is the one that the old hands
Speaker 1: like Jays. That was one of my questions, like like
Speaker 1: you do with the older catch, which they already but
Speaker 1: each dude, like how we set it up. Each dude
Speaker 1: was supposed to go back to his neighborhood, like say,
Speaker 1: somebody representing this neighborhood and you gotta go back to
Speaker 1: your neighbor and talk to the honest And that's how
Speaker 1: we was doing the whole program, Like that was your
Speaker 1: thing for being a part of the game. Convincing thing.
Speaker 1: You gotta has to be somebody to go over there
Speaker 1: and they can talk to them something. Sometimes these youngsters
Speaker 1: ain't listening to the old gs. And then you see,
Speaker 1: these are the ones I truly believe we got to
Speaker 1: reach because if you stop this kid, his mentality is
Speaker 1: gonna be different when he when he had a kid,
Speaker 1: and he ain't gonna want to think like that. All
Speaker 1: the youngsters are the ones is out there today active.
Speaker 1: You don't got too many fifty year old kids out there,
Speaker 1: like really active, you know what I'm saying. But the
Speaker 1: respect though, no, but you're no good if you're not active.
Speaker 1: And Luke Cash look at that, Oh he ain't doing
Speaker 1: what we're doing. We out here wolf just keeping him
Speaker 1: one hunted. So my thing is if you if you
Speaker 1: take the youngsters and put them in there just doing demolition,
Speaker 1: exactly what I was doing. Like yeah, I got some
Speaker 1: youngsters too. That was like one part of the program.
Speaker 1: And you gotta be you gotta tease this dude. Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta go back showing them that like look, man,
Speaker 1: as you part of this community too, we need you.
Speaker 1: So he can go back and tell the dude check man,
Speaker 1: I'm tired. I don't want like I was doing houses
Speaker 1: way in the valley, dudes coming home tired, man, like
Speaker 1: manny them like I had new working ain't so tired.
Speaker 1: Working was the first thing they ever had. They never
Speaker 1: had no job, so using and moving their bodies the
Speaker 1: way they was. I mean they wouldn't use to that.
Speaker 1: They was used to waking up in the hood, hitting
Speaker 1: the block. Let's do what they do. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something different for everybody because I believe, like for real, man,
Speaker 1: nobody was born the big Game member, Like you know,
Speaker 1: that's it. You know, you get attached to the lifestyle
Speaker 1: because you go outside your dice, drink whatever, and then
Speaker 1: that like you said, you have a kid, you got responsibilities,
Speaker 1: and that's the part that most of your youngsters don't understand,
Speaker 1: like the responsibility part of it. And then once you
Speaker 1: get older, you get the thing like, damn man, I
Speaker 1: wasted all this time doing this for and give him
Speaker 1: a pay check when they're is you robbed somebody? You
Speaker 1: spend that money like that, But when you earn that money,
Speaker 1: bottom shoes. I ain't been a pace to spend all
Speaker 1: my money on nothing. You know what I'm saying, is
Speaker 1: they they they you become more frugal with your money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to. So that's what that's
Speaker 1: what they need to be chump man, and exactly what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do. The program would really help because
Speaker 1: he's like and we do like a lot of the
Speaker 1: sports program is done in kind of like the baseball stuff.
Speaker 1: We all grew up like we knew each other. If
Speaker 1: you're from fruit time where we all knew each other.
Speaker 1: We played baseball South part and I played basketball. I
Speaker 1: lose part when I was a kid, Like you know,
Speaker 1: the basketball program was in. So all that stuff got
Speaker 1: taken away and then you want this can you ain't
Speaker 1: have nothing? Apple time, It's gonna get you some I
Speaker 1: always say that, I said they don't want our previous
Speaker 1: shows that in still putting all this money into the
Speaker 1: law enforcement and all of that, we really need to
Speaker 1: start getting that money back into the parking recreations. That's
Speaker 1: exactly like like me, that's what I'm trying to do now,
Speaker 1: like rebuild and revitalize the whole sports and wreck like
Speaker 1: you know, these kids got even like if it's boxing,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you gotta get these kids something to do.
Speaker 1: They'll have nothing to do. They're gonna find something. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of them that they got some squabble
Speaker 1: that ship being some gloves, you'll get a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of them to come through there that's worthy, are aware
Speaker 1: and some gloves. You got a lot of them out there.
Speaker 1: And they love to fight. Yeah, they love to fight.
Speaker 1: My whole thing, I've always dreamed that I had a
Speaker 1: building and I had the older guys that was doing breaks,
Speaker 1: alternatives and ship like that, teaching the kids how to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, and they took all that out of school,
Speaker 1: like even the woodshop and left the metal shop. Oh
Speaker 1: that was taking out and I had that I don't know,
Speaker 1: and it was so stuff like that. We got to
Speaker 1: keep the kids involved. If not. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to see it happy,
Speaker 1: Like let's keep the community. Yeah, James always been big
Speaker 1: on teaching the trade. Yeah, everybody's not gonna go to
Speaker 1: college and go to school. Let's teach you out to
Speaker 1: trade where you can still make money because you're making breaks,
Speaker 1: doing breaks and working on cars, and it's gonna always
Speaker 1: be a business for them. Absolutely not everybody want to
Speaker 1: go to university, and you don't have to. If you
Speaker 1: learn it here and you and where you're learning, and
Speaker 1: that you can be certified from there, then it's worth it.
Speaker 1: You know, going to somebody's garage and learning it. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna certify you just because you learned that that
Speaker 1: uncle's garage. So you have to have a building where
Speaker 1: a program where you can be certified. Man, you know
Speaker 1: something like that, and then say I got some under
Speaker 1: my build, I'm gonna go get a job. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this. It's something we love to do. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you run the streets all day,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day in a car and getting
Speaker 1: high and leaned out and just d can, you ain't
Speaker 1: gonna want to do nothing. But if you wake up
Speaker 1: and go here learn how to put on your time.
Speaker 1: I watched this one black guy just giving out suits
Speaker 1: to the young brothers and and and it made them,
Speaker 1: it made him feel good about thisselves. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what comes to me. That's what And
Speaker 1: if everybody working on their own city like that, then
Speaker 1: you can take it from your city to this city
Speaker 1: to that city and don't have no problems. My city good,
Speaker 1: my backyard clean. Stept at centennial of high school. They're
Speaker 1: they're in Raeford. He did a thing when he had
Speaker 1: all types of black men come in to teach him
Speaker 1: how to tie tie and gave him a t I
Speaker 1: donate tis to teach him how to hire tie. You
Speaker 1: know a little brother that goes a long way that
Speaker 1: is little from Pyro brother. Yeah, who never gaged banged
Speaker 1: by the way for a couple of years because because
Speaker 1: my whole costs up on the competent rise that I
Speaker 1: was doing. Like because everybody, when you go to prison,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a job. So is it plumbing, if
Speaker 1: it's drywall, if it's payton. So I was like every dude, everybody,
Speaker 1: all of us went to prison, but nobody want to hire.
Speaker 1: So what if we just started the construction company? What
Speaker 1: you learned how to do? Yeah, that's that's how I started.
Speaker 1: Like you know, the town says, so it was time
Speaker 1: putting the floors in Like so yeah, man, yeah all
Speaker 1: that is real, Like I was a plumber in prison,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, Like the teacher got
Speaker 1: the whole everything because you run the prison. So take
Speaker 1: that trade from prison and bring it back out to
Speaker 1: the streets. But they're not gonna hire you. I have to.
Speaker 1: We have to hire you, like we gotta make this
Speaker 1: this happen. So that was the whole concept of the show,
Speaker 1: Like these dudes went to prison, came home like everybody
Speaker 1: was on the show. All of them went to prison,
Speaker 1: and the good thing would have shown other at what
Speaker 1: we can do and make them not be scared to
Speaker 1: take a chance on hardness exactly. And then then right now,
Speaker 1: like for real, after all this stuff came out, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you all once we finished, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show you all the show and you see the dudes
Speaker 1: where it can we're doing this eating together everything like
Speaker 1: some way out like it needs to dudes, who was
Speaker 1: you know when the eighties was killing each other. Man,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope you get that back and going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we need to We got a feature the Brothers. Man.
Speaker 1: I ac truly I should have God. I applaud you,
Speaker 1: like like because what you're doing a lot of cats
Speaker 1: out of Compton that have money or had should have
Speaker 1: been doing this a long time ago. And and and
Speaker 1: I like one hundred applaud you because you didn't only
Speaker 1: look out for your own people. You looked out for
Speaker 1: your black people. And you got the Bloods and Crypts
Speaker 1: doing the thing. And man, just the cold thing. Like
Speaker 1: we was eating dinner or eating lunch and every day
Speaker 1: and we talked about all the you know, we talked
Speaker 1: about this stuff like many everybody. Everybody want to go
Speaker 1: back and help man grab to do because because I remember,
Speaker 1: like I don't know about four or five years ago,
Speaker 1: because when I first started this and I had a
Speaker 1: celebrity I had a I didn't even call a celebrity game,
Speaker 1: but I had to have Penny market on him come.
Speaker 1: But it was krypton part rous planning each other at
Speaker 1: Compton College. And we so it was like five thousand people.
Speaker 1: Every neighborhood was at this place, at the thing in
Speaker 1: the police were like, chick, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: did it. I don't even know how this is even possible.
Speaker 1: This sounds like every neighborhood was there, man, and everybody's
Speaker 1: shaking it in. You know. We got a picture with
Speaker 1: just it's so many crypti part rules on the field
Speaker 1: and it was it was great, Like no, nothing happened
Speaker 1: like what happened the folding weeks that nobody got a
Speaker 1: job and that's what that's how the program went away.
Speaker 1: Like I actually like, you know, no, I can't get
Speaker 1: down like this if I promises do job. I promising
Speaker 1: this and it don't happen. So I stepped away from
Speaker 1: the program. It I was the president that would have
Speaker 1: got exposed on next that it's gonna happen. It's still
Speaker 1: gonna happen. It's just a fact, like you know, like
Speaker 1: a lot of people take a chance with some people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm still today. Like the little piece that
Speaker 1: you guys saw, just a little piece, like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show you the trailer. It's like twenty two minutes, but
Speaker 1: it's dudes, like we actually building the building, tearing it
Speaker 1: down and how to building like today, is the trailer
Speaker 1: posted anywhere online? Are you keeping everything off for now? Yes? Like,
Speaker 1: but like I showed it because you know, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I w wasn't shoving around because the piece what happened,
Speaker 1: the little piece that everybody saw, because I showed it
Speaker 1: to somebody and they've at least it. So that's how
Speaker 1: that happened, and it's still out there now. That's that's
Speaker 1: the piece they showed and that's how she end up
Speaker 1: losing the job. Okay, that's the argument is And whatever
Speaker 1: taping we're talking bragging about, she got three votes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's all on the tape. That's on the same one.
Speaker 1: That's on the tape. That's all that's all feature in
Speaker 1: in that video. You alright, Well, I think we're about
Speaker 1: at a time. But thanks Chico for coming down. Keep
Speaker 1: us updated, Please keep us updated on this Netflix project, man,
Speaker 1: because you gotta do whatever it takes to get this
Speaker 1: thing done. Man. Yeah, you know it's it's it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's it's powerful before we wrap, and you ain't just
Speaker 1: gotta do it in comfortable, yeah, but before we wrap,
Speaker 1: do you deal directly as um being part of ag
Speaker 1: entertainment which is your company A G G Entertainment. Do
Speaker 1: you deal directly with Netflix or do you have to
Speaker 1: go through a production company? How? How for other people
Speaker 1: who have ideas and want to produce and want to create,
Speaker 1: how does one get their project on Netflix? Lap This
Speaker 1: this the first time I did. But I walk in
Speaker 1: there with Penny marsh and Mark Wallberg as my executive producers.
Speaker 1: So you know, if you do the work, then you
Speaker 1: know they want content. You just gotta be some good content,
Speaker 1: you know. But you can't just walk into the doors
Speaker 1: of Netflix like you did. The name. Yeah. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people listening to are saying, damn, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know product Like I got a full flares
Speaker 1: production company like UM editing rooms and all that, like
Speaker 1: Cinema Leebra. I'm the president too at Cinema Lebre Studios.
Speaker 1: So are you constantly looking for new content all the
Speaker 1: time all the time? Okay, I'm doing some films right now,
Speaker 1: and you can walk in with the idea and we
Speaker 1: put it on paper. I have meetings like every Monday,
Speaker 1: black group of writers that write these stories, and you know,
Speaker 1: we got a full flaed But I mean that distributed
Speaker 1: films too. So how do people get in touch with
Speaker 1: the who are listening to this podcast right now that
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about their content. You can
Speaker 1: email me at Chico uh C H I C O,
Speaker 1: B R O W and forty nine at gmail dot
Speaker 1: com and then once we talk, then I'll give you
Speaker 1: an OH, you've been all right, ladies and gentlemen. We
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