WEBVTT - The "Chico Brown" Episode 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.320 You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles with James McDonald, Regie 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:08.160 Reck Jr. And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.560 material witness on an aggregated Battery, I was a hang 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.920 gun and um they believe this might be in retaliation 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:23.759 to her testimony. Welcome to another edition of The Gangster Chronicles. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.360 And this is episode thirteen, and my name is Alex Alonso. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.040 You may be aware of my platform, Street Gangs dot 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.760 Com a k a. Street TV, where I interview O G. S. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.760 Farmer and current gang members, hip hop artists, authors and 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:44.080 other influencers. And I'm here with Big and Big Jay 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.599 James McDonald and this is episode thirteen. 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You can include questions, show ideas, 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.000 and topics that you want to hear on future episodes. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:22.640 So I'm gonna start this episode with some fact checking 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.119 from last week, and uh, we actually have a special guest. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.560 But before we get to our special guests, let's go 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.440 through these quick fact checks from last week. Reggie, you 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.200 mentioned a guy that was on death row for some 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.200 murders related to the Chino Hills case. His name was 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.520 Kevin Cooper, murder of four people, and now they're saying 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.520 he might be innocent. Well, the governor was trying to 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.720 um have a reinvestigation of the case, so they're checking 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.400 his DNA. I guess right now. And according to Kevin Cooper, 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.480 what do you think he says he didn't do He 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.400 didn't do it. He says he was framed, Okay. And 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.160 then the rapist that you were talking about again last week, 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.000 Reggie was a guy named Wayne Jerome Robertson a K 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.720 the booty banded up at Corkrane Dick Smiley from the 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.679 he's really eluders. He probably even east side. Uh, he's 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.120 so old, so they probably was east side. He was 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.240 when he went to pen Gentian. When he went to 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:19.480 the pen and okay, so he's an O G O 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:25.640 G the seventies. Okay, well, I found an article from 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:30.080 that says that the guards were actually using him at 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.120 Corkran State Prison to rape and beat other inmates. They 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.680 were betting on him. They stay used him, but they 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.560 were betting. They were putting him in there like uh, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:42.880 some gladiatorship going on, like that movie Animals. So apparently 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.760 there was a huge investigation in the late nineties early 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.799 two thousand's about this. Dude, Wayne, and I had never 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.600 even heard that story before. That's crazy, all right. The 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.560 next thing was, you said, James that Corkland was opened 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:03.160 in eighties seven. Last week said eighty nine to corporate seven. Well, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.360 it stays here that it was built on an old 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.160 Native American reservation and opened in eighty eight. I protight 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:20.400 from corporate from Okay, well, maybe Wikipedia sometimes incorrect. I okay. Uh. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.880 And today, as of today O. J. Simpson hit eight 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:28.840 hundred and two thousand followers on his Twitter page. No, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.480 I think he's gonna hit a million probably. Uh. I've 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.519 given about a month he'll be at a million. That's 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.280 just a hundred nine thousand more people. And then, um, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.600 we talked about Carl Douglas last week. In that monumental 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.920 car case, I said, Pento, we talked about it being 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:48.400 the pencil is actually a seventy nine Chevy Malibu where 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.080 the family of four children and two women were burned 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:58.440 when the gas tank exploded back in four point nine billion. 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.040 In Yeah, for damages. I went to the two women 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.920 and four kids. They followed appeal, and I'm sure they 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.360 probably settled all on appeal. Yeah. What I didn't check 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:09.880 is how much money the family ultimately got. But you 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.720 know Karl Douglas gets whatever that money is or his firm, 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.960 well that and you know all the expenses that the 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.920 attorney there's like that. That's where they get you at all. Right, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.520 So that takes us to our special guests. Man, this 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:26.920 is a brother that I've known for many, many years. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.000 He's actually connected to one of the biggest drug trafficking 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:36.039 cases in American history. He's from Compton, and I'm talking 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.400 about my brother, Chico Brown. We got Chico Brown in 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.080 the studio today. Man, what's up, Chico? What's going on? 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:49.120 And I didn't really finish uh describing Chico. I met 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:50.880 Chico when he was doing sort of what I would 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.480 say community activists work and uh gang intervention and prevention 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.400 work back in the early two thousand's. But you're also 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.200 CEO of agg and Entertainment. Let's start off talking about 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.400 what that's all about. Egg Entertainment is a production company. Um, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.440 then a few films, uh documentaries. I'm working on a 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.039 few films now with master p Jamie Fox and some 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.080 more people. Um. Started off with Penny Marshall who helped 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.200 me start the company, and that was her way of 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.680 giving back to me, to being back to the neighborhood. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.800 Oh that's good. Yeah, and Pete Marshall was a good, 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.840 good lady. Now a lot of people don't know who 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.719 Penny Marshall is. Uh. For all the youngsters out there 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.920 that I never heard of, Penny mercall Lavernon Shirley. Their 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.360 family also produced what was the other show that they 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:44.800 produced that came on before Lavernay? Happy Days used to 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:49.839 come on at eight o'clock on Tuesdays and was Lavernon Shirley. Okay, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.160 I thought they wasn't spending off from r What years 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.960 are we talking about? Like late seven, Marty. Pretty much 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.400 like half the shows that was on network television in 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:03.680 them days was like martial productions. I like what she 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.480 loved basketball players, but I like that she really liked 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:11.240 black people most down people. That person I've ever met 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.159 in my life for real, Like she treated me like 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:19.320 her son. And unfortunately she she passed last year. This year, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.240 this year, last year, the Simar seventeen, and um, I 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.640 was a little I got a little emotional to see 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.320 her because it's like all the people that I grew 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.040 up with, they're slowly dying on us. How it was 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:38.800 Kenny was, I think she was up for a while. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:45.039 He was here both okay, Yeah, But one of the 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.360 things I wanted to uh talk to you about, Chico, 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.640 is you actually was part of freeway Ricky Ross's indictment 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:59.480 back in was the nineties six or four. And uh, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.120 although everyone talks about Freeway Ricky Ross as the one 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.320 getting caught you was you was just co defending in 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.000 that case. Can you talk about how you met him, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.280 how you guys ended up hustling together, and how that 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.880 whole case came smashing down on your your life. We've 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.400 been doing each other, but this particular time, we uh 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.119 was opening the youth center over there in South Central 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.160 and Cuenshaw, So Rick had just came home and he 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.480 had needed some money, and so I ended up giving 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.239 him some money to help him with the youth center. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.240 So we building a youth center. Then months months went 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.680 by and his connection from years ago, UH came to 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.400 us and asked Rick did he want to help him 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.800 get rid of you know, start start this business back. 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:43.440 Rick was like, you know, Rick really didn't want to 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.080 do it, and I didn't want to do it. I 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.200 just came home. I just be the case. Yeah, you 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.400 just came home on another case that we'll probably talk about. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.920 But was it true that Freeway Rick was sort of 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.480 out of the game at that time. He wanted to 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.080 kind of like retire. He was out of the game. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:56.880 He he was out, both of us out of the game. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.640 But we actually was really doing the youth center on 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.160 Cuenshaw Old Building and he had had when he caught 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:06.080 the first time you're talking about right on Adams. It 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.800 looked like an old theater that building. So we actually 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.120 was doing uh, we was doing the studio and there 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.200 we're just gonna call it Apolo West. And so that 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.520 led on to me investing my money in it, and 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.760 then we needed some more money. And so when the 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.120 guy Bland don't came. You know, it's all I set up. 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.240 When he dude Bland don't came, he was like, you know. 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.840 He called Rick and said, you know, I need this. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.080 And Rick was like, you know, I'm I'm out the business. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.720 I don't have no more money. And that led to 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.040 me giving the money. So that's how I got invoked 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.760 because it was my money. So at that time, Rick 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.080 didn't have any money. No, Rick came home, he didn't 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.880 have no money. I actually helped him. I gave him 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.880 somebody loaned him some money. So he was coming home 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.960 from another case. It just got out on the case 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.240 that he got caught up with the this case, you know, 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.080 and he had I think he did like seven years 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:00.400 or something. So he came home on that. And then 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.760 we're doing a studio and then Black Done called and 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.240 and led to old Let's go to prison. And now, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.720 for those who don't know, you're talking about Danilo blond 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:16.480 dog Oscar Oscar Denilo Blondo from from Nicaragua. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.120 and I guess he was the connector that really put 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.880 Rick on the map. Yeah, he was connect So at 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.960 that time, is it fair to say that Danilo Oscar 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.760 Denilo blond Don was actually working with the federal government 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:33.319 at the time and in order to to entrap y'all. Yeah, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.319 that's exactly, but we didn't know that, you know, the 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.400 CIA and all that stuff was involved. We were just 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.520 really trying to make some money. But Rick didn't really 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.000 didn't want to do nothing with it. And I was 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:45.680 just out of the game. And it was just like 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.400 he was like a father figure to Rick, and so 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.240 he like convinced Rick, like he kept saying, you know, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.520 just this one time, I owe somebody some money, can 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.760 you get it. Then the whole thing was like, you 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.760 don't have a hundred in Nicodaga, but I can bring 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.640 him to you. You know, I got a hundred up 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.000 and so he convinced. It took months. It took like 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.880 six months or eight months to convinced me to go 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.880 down there and do and do the deal to go 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.319 down where with to Mexico? Is that right? Yeah? I 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.840 didn't know that. Yeah, that's what we got busted at 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:18.520 the border. Yeah, y'all was pretty much like some American mina. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.880 That's what That's how it went. So, but they he 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.520 was blad done all the time. When he was calling us, 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.800 he was in prison, he was in he was in 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.760 uh Metropolitan in San Diego. But they were so bad 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:33.840 at Rick on this other case. So it was the 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.720 whole thing, we'll let you out if you help us 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.880 get ricked. And what people don't know, they really wanted 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.840 them to be because of the IRA Contra investigation and 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.960 all that were Oliver North that suf and Maxine water 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.280 is going down there and helping him before all this 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.760 even happened, Like we really didn't know that the conscious 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.040 and stuff until it went down. Like so things like 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.240 say six months for us for me to really go down, 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.000 and that went down to a couple of times, but 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.240 I wasn't really feeling it, like and then the last 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.360 time when I went we did the deal. So you 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.920 met like some of Blondons people, just one, just one 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:11.640 of them. He was a FA he was an agent 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.480 acting like he was the man. So something like some 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:18.000 Mexican looking dude that was working with the fads. And 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:24.520 at that time you didn't know Blondon was in custody. No, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.720 we didn't. They let him out for this reason. The busses. Wow, 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.679 that's so deep, man um. So what what type of 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.120 sentence did they give you guys. Ultimately, I know they 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.880 gave life and I had eight and a half years. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.040 And did you get out early? No? I didn't get 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.160 out early. I did. I mean I got I did 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:52.040 a drug program. So at what point something that? So, 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.760 at what point did you realize this was a whole 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:56.520 set up? How long did it take to figure that 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.080 out when it first went down? I didn't know. I 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.120 thought at first I thought was Rick setting me about it? 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.360 Because I really really didn't know because I I went down. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.760 So we you know, we had to say at Denny's restaurant. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.720 We met them at a Danny's restaurant and black Dog 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.640 walked in and the other guy, special agent Phillips, I 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.680 know his name, man, but they walked in and then 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:20.760 like you know, I asked me for the money, like 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.280 you got the money? And I was I'm telling Rick, like, man, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.560 something's weird, Like I'm like where to work at? You 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.319 know that's me talking about asking what the work? And 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.400 they're like, no, we got it. And I'm gonna called 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.640 Rick to the side of like, man, something right, Man, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.920 it's like a set up, like not a setup that 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.480 there was a police to set up like this when 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.360 steal my money because I was buying a hundred h 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.640 kilog So I was like, man, I don't know, I 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:44.600 ain't give him the money. So I didn't give him 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.440 the money. And they're like, I just following me, following 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.840 me to this more and some more around the corner. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.320 But it was all set up, you know, the cards 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:55.880 and there everybody in there was the fence. So when 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.240 we went around the corner, so they asked for the 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.319 money again, I said, Rick, go check the car and 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:01.920 see the ship. Didn't see if it's in there. So 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.120 Rick rolled, he checked it, he gave me it. Okay, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.600 it was in there. We had a drive. We had 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.280 another dude with us that was driving it, and so 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.360 he jumped in the car. So when he jumped in 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.080 the car was a kill switch already in the car, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.080 so it never started. But it was a hundred keyloads 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.559 in there. So soon as he went to the car, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.040 I saw the jackets like da, they put in the 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.400 DA jackets on. By this time, I'm taking off. We're 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.320 in two separate cars. Ricks in the in the in 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.280 the opposite car, and I'm in my own car. So 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.080 when I take off, they followed him. So I'm about to, 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.240 you know, drive to the mall or some ship rick 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.800 drive down the embankment of the freeway hit a tree, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.280 so by this time we you know, it goes down 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.400 right there. So how much was they're selling those hundred 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.040 keys for? What kind of practice with you guys expecting 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.840 to get it was like ten, So it was a 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.280 million dollars like ten, and that was a pretty good 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.800 price because for out of state then I think that 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.320 it was probably like well, I think sometimes you could 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.960 have got on four nineties that were going for fourteen. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.800 But like you know, because it was stupid for me 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.960 because I didn't to make no sense for me to 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:17.280 do this because I wouldly wasn't, say a hundred thousand dollars. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.200 So it was really stupid for me to do it. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:21.880 I mean, but if it was, if this was not 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.280 the fads and this was really getting a hundred keys, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.040 I mean you you could have been making a lot 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.400 of money out of state with the work. No, But 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.240 as I looked back on it, stupid. It was stupid 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.800 for me to even do it because you made a 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.960 decision that you was out the games. Yeah, I just 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.080 I just I just came on. Yeah, so you must 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.120 have been just like stressed out when you first caught 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.360 that case, I mean I knew. For me, I was like, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.080 I knew I couldn't get a life sentence. I knew 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:52.800 that was like I'm not gonna get a last kN 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.760 that was off the table. Yeah, because you know, honey, 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.320 keylos I read. I knew the guy lives already. I 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.240 just I just left. So I knew what the guy 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.520 laves was for the ship. I know all that stuff already. 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.080 So Rick, you know he had two strikes of it. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:05.960 That's only meaning he got life because he had a 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.640 career criminal. So and he ended up getting sixteen at 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:11.680 the end of the day. First he got life, then 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.760 that got cut down to twenty two, and at the 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.240 end it was sixteen. Because we want to appeared one 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.800 all the appeals and everything, like even when they went 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.440 to I played guilty. I didn't go to trial. Like 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.080 the day of trial, I stood up and said, I'm 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:29.720 guilty of the charges dealing with the fast That's better 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.040 to do it like that, are opposed to just have 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.920 the people fix your act? Should I say for me, 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.720 I don't. I just did it. I just went to trial. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.440 And one of case like a year and two years 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.000 before that, so I was thinking, I'm going to trial, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.080 but they had so much, like you know, they had pictures, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.520 they had everything. They had been talking to the people. 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.120 So it was like, you know, if I if I 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.000 go to trial, if I lose, I'm gonna get twenty. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.920 So I just took I played guilty, not knowing how 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:00.840 much time I learned it to plead and just like 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.800 go ahead and just take the deal, or go ahead 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.840 and plead out that they don't give you as much 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.960 as time as they could or they normally would. Won't 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.000 you realize that Danilo was working with the police, probably 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.920 like we was in there party three weeks and we 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:21.000 got some paperwork from Gary gay Web. Gay Web sent 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.560 us this paperwork, so me and ricking the sale together 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.440 and then gave Webb said I got some information. You'll 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.000 probably wanted read this stuff. So he sent us all 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.160 the stuff. And this lady had get cought Boka had 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:36.640 gave him the information because her boyfriend was CALO's letter 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:43.360 Caller's letter, you know Caller's letters with Escobard person, and 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:46.000 so she was telling us like they're not gonna testify 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.520 against shot because this guy has been working for the 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.280 CIA all this time, being in money to find dance 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.600 the board Nikodaga with Satinsta. So we're reading this ship 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.960 like damn. So me and Rick going through this every day. 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.720 It's like stacks. They gave us the stacks, but it 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.760 was redacted. All the stuff was blacking out, so we 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.400 didn't know the names, like, man, who were they talking about? 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.520 You know, but it was like stuff like yeah, just 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.159 give it to the niggas. Didn't sell anything, you know 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.560 that kind of stuff like damn, So we didn't after that, 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.560 then when Maxine and got involved and she ended up 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.840 giving us to redacted. When she went got it, it 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.760 was still indictments. She went't got all the stuff and 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:24.399 gave it to us like and then we're reading and 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.159 stuff like damn, man, this is crazy. So all this 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:31.080 time this has been a happnue the finances war nigga. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.920 It's you know, like so that really we got the 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.800 thinking of then we're gonna beat this ship. Like were 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.240 in there thinking that we were gonna be there. Then 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.200 they separated and it was me and Rix. They put 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.840 him on the floor, put us on the floor like 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.680 that kind of ship. Then they put us in a hole. 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:46.960 They put us in the hole because they said, we 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.399 was should we got all kind of stuff up and 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.040 then we got I was getting raided in ourselves because 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.360 information that information, they was taking it and they said, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.800 we made this story yet. So so Gary Webb is 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.159 the one that first, um kind of put you on 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.160 game what was going on behind the scenes, because Gary 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.920 Webb is a journalist that was writing for the San 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.800 Jose Mercury News back in the nineties. Yeah, I mean 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.879 he got killed. Yeah, well they say it was the suicide, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:16.119 but a lot of we talked to him a week 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.560 before he got killed. Is that right, talk to us, 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.800 Talk to us about Gary Webb, because he also put 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.960 out that amazing book called Dark Alliance. I believe that's 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.960 the book. That's the book. But also when he did 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.399 the three part story on the San Jose Mercury News, 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.919 it was called Darker Lines in that newspaper, and that 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.840 was like one of the first things that went viral 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.760 on the internet. All the pictures, all the pictures that 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:38.200 was in the book. I gave it to him. That 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.159 was that was my discovery that the pictures of the money, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.840 the birds, everything in that. But his career did get 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.760 messed up from writing all of that. He couldn't get 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.640 jobs at certain newspapers. The l A Times did them wrong. 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.919 Watching the post. They wanted the story. So Gary was like, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.760 you know, Chi, I'm not gonna I talked to him 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.600 maybe day, like I'm not gonna give up the story. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.000 You know, whatever happen. They didn't believe in the story 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.000 story originally because they could have wrote it if they wanted. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.920 They knew the story was true. Yeah, they knew the story. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.240 None of the Cats, Jesse Cats at l A time, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.320 Jesse Cats could have wrote the story if he wanted to, 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.800 but he didn't. He wanted Gary to give him the story, 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.399 and Gary push Gary out and Gary wouldn't do that. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.359 But a lot of these I think a lot of 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.960 them didn't believe the story. I mean ship it was 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.880 enough evidence. The judge even told it like right before trial, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.000 like even after the try, even if they lost, like 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.879 when when we got sentenced and she said, you know, 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.320 this could have went any either way. But all the 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:34.280 stuff that I'm telling you, they wouldn't let him lit 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.080 in court. Like none of the c A stuff was 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.680 allowed in court. It was like we made up the story. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.080 So you don't think any of the stuff that Gary 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.040 Webb was going through, contributed to any sort of depression 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.879 that he might have had. I was talking to the 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.600 guy all the time, Like, you know, the lady who 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.919 gave him the story cor Boca. It was alledge that 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.360 he started, you know, having affair with her, so his 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.120 wife got caught up and that kind of stuff and 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.119 all kind of stuff was happening with the story. Like 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.399 and I was a really tight with good like you know, 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:12.080 we developed a relationship because of the case. So what's 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.400 your what do you think happened to him? He got 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:18.560 Gilly said twice And now Reggie Um and James, what 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.760 do you think the guy that wrote the book, he says, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:24.760 shot twice in the head? In the head? Right there? 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.000 Is it possible to commit suicide with two gunshot wants 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.159 to the head? I don't think so. I mean, you 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.199 congraze yourself, but just not talked to the girl. He 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.520 told me this is like he said. People was on 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.280 the back of his pole working and he told me 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.879 if he get killed, he didn't kill us up. I 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.640 talked to him and he told me that. But why 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.119