00:00:08 Speaker 1: But I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, you're our presences presents enough and I already had too much stuff. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Pritchard Wineker. I hope you're having a nice day. It's been a little bit different morning from me. I had to meet someone for breakfast and last minute tried to convince them to go somewhere else and my gambit failed, and so it was a stressful drive and my blood pressure was through the roof, and then the restaurant was mediocre, and then you know, different type of coffee, so I don't know what what caffeine level I'm dealing with now, And so it was just everything is happening to me, and I hope less things are happening to you. I hope you're having a decent whatever time of day this is, maybe it's eleven thirty at night, I would love for you to tune in at eleven thirty pm. Maybe we're just you know, it's you and me in the moon I don't know, but let's get into the podcast. I'm so excited about today's guest. I think you will be too. It's River Butcher, River, Welcome to I said, no gifts. 00:01:47 Speaker 4: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me. And I'm so sorry about your troubling morning. 00:01:52 Speaker 5: It's been. 00:01:54 Speaker 3: Journey, yeah, and sounds like it. I you know, it's partially my fault. I mean, don't blame yourself too hard, you know what I mean? 00:02:03 Speaker 4: Can I ask well? Because I don't want to, you know, I don't want to give away like areas or anything like that. But in terms of the restaurants, because it's piqued my interest, you know, of course I relate to deeply. So was like the first restaurant just like not a food food choice that you wanted to continue with? Or was it a geographical choice like oh, okay, I will say, uh, geographically so far away? 00:02:29 Speaker 5: Sure? 00:02:30 Speaker 3: Yeah? And then food wise, I had been meaning to try this restaurant. But as the day got closer and closer, I thought, I mean, I can name this restaurant. 00:02:39 Speaker 5: Well, no, I shouldn't name this Okay, no pressure, you don't need to. 00:02:43 Speaker 3: I will say the restaurant I wanted to go to. Ultimately is called Clark Street Diner, which I love. Yes, And it's a little bit closer to me, maybe a ten minute closer. And I thought, seven fifteen am, I'll text the person I'm meeting. Maybe I can convince him. He didn't go for. 00:03:01 Speaker 4: It, not even committed committed to the original idea. 00:03:06 Speaker 5: But I mean, great job giving it a shot, you know what I mean. 00:03:09 Speaker 4: Like, that's because there's also the alternate universe where you deeply want the change and you fear the reaction and you don't take any action. 00:03:19 Speaker 5: That's how I and then you're in an even worse place because you go and you're like, I could. 00:03:25 Speaker 4: Have not gone, do you know what I mean? That's to me, that's the thing. It's like, well, I tried. 00:03:30 Speaker 3: You know you you as a person, do you is your initial thing to just say what you want or like? For me, this was kind of out of the ordinary, just like trying to get what I wanted. 00:03:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean it's very new to me to speak up to my needs or wants. I feel very very recent for me to even be able to know there's a difference between those two things. Sure, but ultimately incredibly liberating to know that there is a difference betwe those things, and uh take it. I still have an issue. I was gonna say problem, but I don't feel like it's a problem. I still find myself impulsively saying yes to things and then finding myself very overbooked or overwhelmed, and then struggling with do I take this off my plate or do I you know, and so. 00:04:22 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's just it's. 00:04:24 Speaker 4: Like every day is a new opportunity to do it slightly differently. But I think you know, if I were you and this story, you know, five years ago or something like that, I would have said nothing and suffered through the whole thing and been upset the whole time. You know, I'd been mad at myself for not saying anything, mad at them for not magically knowing I didn't want to go there, like all those things, you know. 00:04:43 Speaker 5: And all for me mentally. Yeah, yeah, human condition. Yeah. 00:04:48 Speaker 3: My my New Year's resolution was to start saying what I wanted yes, and I've got a little better at it. But this, I think, this particular breakfast thing was like this weird crossroads of my inability to decide on especially on food, I'm obsessing about what I want to eat and thinking about it on stuff and other people. It not mattering as the new or the food has always been yeah, always like until the food is like being placed before me at the restaurant, I have been second guessing it. So this morning I was like, is that do I actually want to go to a different place or is this just my normal thing? And so God only knows what. But then I ended up having a mediocre pancake and worse sausage and driving to West Hollywood at nine am. It was not ideal. Yeah, no, that's not fun, but look, you live and you'll learn. And then of course during during the breakfast, once again, a variety of opinions were shared, which I just agreed to. And then on the way way back, is like, I don't agree to that. Why And it's not It wasn't like a high stakes thing. It was just like just state europeinion. 00:06:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's nothing I've found recently those people. Uh, And I it's like this double edged sword because I by bringing this up, I'm bringing it up, but I'll just keep it very not vague, but just like we don't have to get into the thing that it is because I don't want to, but people, because I'm a stand up comic, people keep asking me about what happened at the Oscars. Oh, and it's you know, it's such a it's such an interesting time right now, because it's like public life has come back to a certain extent and like, you know, I'm not like inundated. You know, it's not like I'm constantly around other people. But I've found found in the past couple of days or so, like the past week, any time I have been around another person, they asked me about it. And I literally the last time somebody asked me about it yesterday late in the game, very late in the game, and uh, because they found out on a stand up comic. So then they asked me and I was like, you know, I don't have an opinion on it. 00:07:02 Speaker 5: I don't And people find that very. 00:07:06 Speaker 4: And it's it's not actually that I don't care, it's more so I just don't have an opinion. 00:07:11 Speaker 5: I don't have an opinion. 00:07:12 Speaker 3: That's that's a completely a lot of things you don't have an opinion on. 00:07:16 Speaker 5: No, so myriad things that I don't have an opinion. 00:07:19 Speaker 4: I'm like, actually, I think it's just like, you know, something that occurred between three people at a particular moment in time. So I don't need to have an opinion on that every time that happens, you know, But it's very that's not a thing I could do before, you know, I freedom could not just be like, yeah, I don't. 00:07:37 Speaker 5: I don't have any thoughts. 00:07:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, because where we are now at a time when you have to have an opinion or take on yes, literally, ev well, you don't have to, but that's the expectation, and it's yeah. 00:07:48 Speaker 4: That's what what we've been sort of trained to do over the last ten twenty years, you know, forever, but trained very specifically and deeply through media, you know, news media and social media. 00:08:00 Speaker 5: Is that like Twitter every occurrence? 00:08:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's it's it's very oh, it's almost existing strange, it is. 00:08:08 Speaker 5: It is. Oh, I need to start doing that. I need to just start. 00:08:10 Speaker 3: I'm getting better at saying I don't know about things that I don't know. 00:08:14 Speaker 5: That's my favorite. I don't know. I just simply don't know. I don't have the information. I haven't learned yet, And I don't want to work it out with you either. Right now. 00:08:22 Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with you or me. I just not interested in workshopping this right now over brunch. 00:08:30 Speaker 5: You know. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: Meanwhile I'm sitting here crossing out my topics Will Smith and the slap we can't. I guess the podcast is ruined. 00:08:39 Speaker 5: All I wanted to. I have no opinions on anything, but yeah, of course, what's been going on in your life? Anything exciting? Fun? Well, the thing that's been. 00:08:49 Speaker 4: Going on in my life the most is like getting back out and doing stand up again, right, which has been really interesting because it's very different. 00:08:57 Speaker 3: For a lot of change anything in the world changed, just a couple of things. 00:09:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like been an interesting experience because you know, you can only bring to an experience what you have, and so of course I'm comparing it to what it was like before, and also what I'm seeing on other people's Instagrams and all that stuff, and it's like it's just been really you know, the people that have been coming out are like super stoked to be there, but they're also like the people that are, you know, fans of what I do, are I think generally people who take the pandemic seriously, right, Yeah, that's crazy. Many of them are still pretty hesitant. You know, a lot of people are still wearing masks, which I really appreciate because it's like kind of weird. I definitely don't feel like one hundred percent like this is the you know, I don't. I don't totally know. But it's been good to like be in public life again. But I think the hardest thing for me is that I would always like stay after a show and like say hi to people and take pictures and stuff, and I I'm not not really doing that because it just feels overwhelming. But I really miss it a lot. I really really really really miss it a lot. 00:10:06 Speaker 3: So you'll probably fight your way back to that eventually. 00:10:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna come a complete hermit. 00:10:11 Speaker 4: Or I might just give up on everything and move to a farm and have a gentle barn for like queer people. 00:10:17 Speaker 3: Basically, have you been? Isn't there like a nearby gentle barn in Los Angeles? 00:10:23 Speaker 5: Yeah? Have you been? 00:10:24 Speaker 1: This thing? 00:10:25 Speaker 4: The Sanctuary? I know a friend of mine worked there for quite some time. It was like a farm sanctuary. I've never been to one because it's a pretty It's like you have to get up very early to go to it. 00:10:38 Speaker 5: Oh, there's like a time requirement, I think. 00:10:41 Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure, and they're usually like booked out really far and stuff like that, but I have a bit of a it's like one of those things where I'm like, it's heartbreaking in a positive way, and so I need to be very prepared and I'm going to go, you know, and be very emotionally and mentally prepared to be in that kind of a I'm just a very sensitive, sensitive guy in that way, right, And I just know that about myself. So it's like it's like getting on a roller coaster. I'm like, I'm gonna get on a roller coaster. Now, this is what this is going to be like, you know. 00:11:13 Speaker 3: I mean, what exactly happens at the Gentle Bar and they bring I don't know. 00:11:18 Speaker 5: That's the other thing is I don't know. 00:11:19 Speaker 4: I mean I think you just get to kind of go around and meet all the friends, you know. 00:11:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, just various maybe senior cows and this that's right. 00:11:27 Speaker 4: Thing saved pigs, rescued chickens and things. I do know my friend like worked with I mean they would rescue and rehabilitate you know, like condors and like very large birds of prey and then release them, you know. 00:11:39 Speaker 5: Wow, So it's kind of it's more of a gentle zoop. 00:11:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, gentle everybody. 00:11:47 Speaker 3: I mean, the the words themselves sound very nice to me. And the idea of going and meeting some animals in their you know, their second chapter of life sounds nice. But this like time requirement is already stressing me now. Buying tickets in advance is something that I've never done. The whole thing is a commitment. It's a huge commitment. What are you the biggest commitment of all? Going to the gentle bar? The hardest step I ever. 00:12:17 Speaker 5: Took, The biggest step I ever took was going to the gentle bar? Are you somebody who? Do you make reservations to restaurants? 00:12:27 Speaker 4: I used to never be that kind of person, and I used to think it was like elitist. 00:12:32 Speaker 5: It doesn't, I mean in some twisted. 00:12:35 Speaker 4: Weird way, you know, because usually I was eating at like Taco Bell or Olive Garden, and like, you know, if you're going to Olive Garden with my family and showing up and getting that little buzzer thing and then being convinced that everybody else was getting in ahead of you, and like probably they probably got here before you, or they had a reservation, you know. So like the concept of reservations was like this thing that I thought only rich people did, of course, but now that you know, I live in Los Angeles, there's a lot of people here, you know, and so especially now too, just like where we are in the pandemic, like you kind of can't go to a sit down restaurant without a reservation here, you know. 00:13:15 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I'm kind I feel like I'm kind of being forced into the culture of reservations, which I'm not crazy about. 00:13:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's one of those things to Bridger that I feel like it's, you know, we're relaxing restrictions. And I said it that way to imply the air quotes that I use. 00:13:32 Speaker 2: With my hands. 00:13:33 Speaker 4: Uh, like you know, don't wear a mask, which is like the one thing that's in it has we've learned over the three years we've been living with this, Uh, it greatly reduces transmission, not even cleaning washing, I mean, washing your hands is very important, but not even cleaning surfaces or any of this stuff. And it's literally the one thing we keep getting rid of, and then these businesses keep these other restrictions in place simply because they can like just can troll and regulate the flow of people eat more easily. 00:14:02 Speaker 5: It has runs are nonsense. No, it doesn't make like. 00:14:07 Speaker 4: I performed in a gymnasium the other night at a place that has like a really great performing hall, like a really nice in the round performance hall that's like a nice like mid size you know, and they were like, yeah, we couldn't use that because of COVID, and it's just like, nah, this is not any but it was not their problem. It was they were told to do that, So it's not I I had a great time in the gym. I was pleasantly surprised by the acoustics. It turned out great. But it's one of those regulations that you're just like, this doesn't this is your just like flexing power over people, you know. 00:14:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like there are like there are some restrictions that have just like people have the companies or whatever forgot to remove them. So it's suddenly like mm hmm. Everything else is completely relaxed. But for some reason, we can't use your restaurant, right. 00:14:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you can't use the bathroom also where we don't want to pay the housekeeping staff. That not using Yeah, it's like, oh, you have stickers all over everything. 00:15:03 Speaker 5: That's like we're cleaning it ten times over. 00:15:05 Speaker 4: But the house cleaners will not be coming to your room, so they cannot be tipped, and they we were going to barely pay them and we're not going to hire anybody. It's like, yeah, these companies are really doing it on purpose. They're really like, oh, we can skim off the top. 00:15:18 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:15:19 Speaker 3: I think it was uh was it Adam conover that. I was like, they're using it basically to break bust unions something that's house keepers, which is just such a. 00:15:29 Speaker 4: Terrible but the but the positive is that we're seeing so much more unionizing because of it. People are like, well, it's actually pushing It's yes, it's union breaking, but it's actually pushing more. 00:15:41 Speaker 5: Unionizing, making everyone angrier. 00:15:43 Speaker 4: Yes, and yes, pushing people to the limit, which is the only way things change. 00:15:47 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Oh, such a shame. And then meanwhile, I can't get a fresh towel, right, the one fun thing about being at a hotel is that there's a new towel the next day. 00:15:59 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my favorite in the World's nice. It's a nice thing. 00:16:01 Speaker 4: And like, just I don't mind that there's a person in here, like I leave you tip, you know, like the person comes in, they do a great job. 00:16:09 Speaker 5: I leave them a tip, even if they don't do. 00:16:11 Speaker 3: The science of the virus. That's just not how it's transmitted. When somebody's in a room and then leaves the room. I mean, it's just you're not in it. You're not gonna get me marry out in the room. 00:16:22 Speaker 5: That's right. 00:16:23 Speaker 4: Thanks a lot days in, Oh boy, thanks a lot aloft and they only they haven't adjusted. I'll just say this is my last The you know, grinds my gears about the hotel thing is that like you said about the towel, Like, yeah, no, housekeeping is coming and we're not going to give you more towels from the outset. 00:16:46 Speaker 5: No, still towels, and they're not absorbent. 00:16:49 Speaker 4: You use it once and you're like, well, this isn't gonna dry by the time I take. 00:16:53 Speaker 5: My next shower. 00:16:54 Speaker 3: So their hotel towels, they were meant to be replaced constantly. They're made out of paper towels. Give me some new sheets, give me some new towels. It's the reason I left home. 00:17:07 Speaker 2: Oh boy. 00:17:09 Speaker 3: Actually River speaking of you know, intrusive things and unwanted things and this kind of thing. I was kind of scouring my neighborhood recently, kind of wandering around, and I passed by your house and I was wondering. I was just like, a maybe I'll take a look at whatever's happening near River's mailbox. You know, I'm you know, I understand that stealing mail is a federal offense getting into people's mailboxes, but they prob I do like to just get a close look at people's what they're working without front But all that aside, all of my just rambling about walking around the neighborhood aside, I found a brown bag which, look, it was not addressed to me, but I figured why not take it home? 00:18:00 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:18:00 Speaker 3: It was meant you know, I like to gather things as I wander around. Yeah, And so I got it home. It's in a kind of a brown bag that says grocery outlet, bargain market on it. And I thought, maybe i'll you know, River's going to be on the podcast tomorrow, maybe I'll just confront him about it. Then, River, is this a gift for me? It's a gift for you? 00:18:26 Speaker 5: Okay? Interesting? Yeah, I mean, and also, have you been to grocery outlet bargain prizes. 00:18:32 Speaker 3: I have been to the grocery outlet. It is a gift in and of itself. It is a grocery tornado. 00:18:40 Speaker 4: I was shocked at the amount of money I did not have to spend in there. I put a full thing of groceries on there and they were like, that'll be twenty one dollars. I was like, excuse me, is it nineteen eighty seven, what's. 00:18:53 Speaker 3: Happening ring up a full grocery cart and we're going to give you. 00:18:58 Speaker 5: Money for that? That's right, Thank you for coming in. Yeah. 00:19:01 Speaker 3: I love They opened during the pandemic and I was eagerly, eagerly anticipating the opening of it. A past guest on this podcast, Caroline Goldfarb, had recommended it, and I'd been really champing at the bit to get in the grocery outlet bargain market and I love it. 00:19:22 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so fantastic. 00:19:24 Speaker 4: Also truly, like the grocery part is fantastic, but also the sort of it's not Sundrys, but it's like all their utilitarian stuff, you know, like bowls, and I mean you can get like a thirty dollars. 00:19:40 Speaker 5: Coffee bug for like ten bucks. Oh that's I had no idea that Aisle is my favorite. 00:19:45 Speaker 4: I go down it every time, even if I don't need something, because there's always going to be something that I'm like, this is such a bargain that I have to buy this. 00:19:54 Speaker 5: A place. 00:19:55 Speaker 3: I mean, this is my greatest weakness. Anything that has advertised as a bargain, even if it's not right, will suck me in it. 00:20:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm getting a deal. How can I not? 00:20:04 Speaker 4: I'm I'm wasting money not buying it. This is what happens when you're raised by depression, you're a grandparents. 00:20:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you like, meanwhile, find something that you actually want at full price and you're like. 00:20:15 Speaker 5: No, I'm gonna can't. 00:20:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, enough money, I've been spending it on bargains. 00:20:23 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I can tell right now that you're just trying to push the conversation aside to avoid the real topic at hand, which is this gift, this tremendous gift. 00:20:33 Speaker 5: Should I open it here on the poet, open it here on the podcast. Okay, I'm happy to do it. 00:20:56 Speaker 1: Now. 00:20:56 Speaker 5: I'm going to the grocery bag. 00:20:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a camera and grocery bag. Have you ever used one of those riger where it doesn't make any noise? 00:21:04 Speaker 5: No? 00:21:05 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they have prop paper bags that are designed to not make that sound. 00:21:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that makes perfect sense. I know there's so much are there. 00:21:14 Speaker 4: No, it's it's like paper, but it's almost like that sort of it's not actually sticky, but it's just very like you can really feel it, you know, whoa. It doesn't like paper. It's almost like rubberized or something, but it is paper. 00:21:28 Speaker 5: I've got to get one of these. Yeah, you got to get one. 00:21:30 Speaker 4: Of those and just carry it around everywhere and you'll once you see one, you'll see it. 00:21:34 Speaker 5: You can't not see it on TV. 00:21:36 Speaker 4: Every time you watch something you're like, that's a fake because it never it never actually folds. 00:21:41 Speaker 3: You know, the illusion is just shattered, shattered that bag with cash on a TV, which is always so phony looking, so fake looking. Okay again that said again, I'm gonna get into the bag. 00:22:00 Speaker 5: Get into the bag like a cat. Get into the bag. 00:22:03 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm feeling I'm feeling cloth. Yeah, okay, I'm reaching in. 00:22:07 Speaker 4: It's real cloth, it's not oh my camera clo I'm just going to this is so bizarre. 00:22:12 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not that bizarre. Nothing, nothing in my world is that bizarre. But I was looking at your shirt and I was going to ask you about your shirt. Yeah, and now I'm reaching into this bag. 00:22:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:22:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so River. 00:22:26 Speaker 3: Is currently wearing a beautiful tie dyed T shirt. And now what I've I've reached into the bag and pulled out my own tie dyed shirt. 00:22:37 Speaker 5: I didn't even. I just was attracted to. 00:22:40 Speaker 4: This shirt this morning when I put it on, Like I knew I was going to this podcast. I knew what I gave you, but I just like grab the shirt. I was like, yeah, I'll wear this one. That'll look good on the zoom. Like I just didn't even. It's not even but also coincidence, and it's perfectly aligned. 00:22:55 Speaker 5: You know, like this is wild. 00:22:57 Speaker 3: It feels like your reality is like bleeding through the zoom into my reality. Like suddenly, i'll glasses, I'll have a green wall behind me. 00:23:07 Speaker 5: Okay, I have a tied dye T shirt? Did you make this? I did? Yeah? How well? 00:23:12 Speaker 4: My partner and I made those so we uh during the pandem, I mean, we did not make the shirt itself. We did buy the shirt, would I mean, I would be so impressed. I mean, yeah, you never know. With my partner, you never know, she makes all kinds of stuff. But we got it from this company called uh Everybody World, which is local in Los Angeles, and they kind of grew out of the ashes of American apparel and kind of the positive like the actual stuff that was supposedly or actually good about American apparel, which is like living wages and you know, reusing things and sustainability all that stuff, and implemented it and now that's the company is like running on those things so that it's one hundred percent recycled cotton, which is all of that shirt is excess fiber from making. 00:24:02 Speaker 5: I have no idea how do you recycle fights. I don't know. 00:24:05 Speaker 4: It's like just the whole thing where you like you get the fibers and then you turn them, you loom it, and you make the shirts from that. 00:24:12 Speaker 5: Just run it through some sort of paper shred or something. Yeah. 00:24:15 Speaker 4: So that shirt is very low impact on the environment. And then we got into it was white yep, but not super white because they don't like they don't bleach the Yeah. Yeah, it retains that sort of earthiness to it. And then yeah, in the pandemic, we you know, we my partner is a musician, but also she does many jobs, but that's like her main thing. 00:24:37 Speaker 5: So each of us we weren't able to do our jobs. 00:24:40 Speaker 4: And we were looking for like creative outlets and I got like a I was actually doing the artist way when it. 00:24:46 Speaker 5: Started, and so I was looking for stuff and. 00:24:49 Speaker 4: I got like a little tidike hit from like Joe Ann's or something online and did it and really enjoyed making them. And then so we just started making them and people were like, yeah, we want to buy these, and we were like okay, and so we started making them and people were buying them, and we've I think we donated like five thousand dollars, oh my god. Together, that's how many shirts we sold. And then it it was like. 00:25:11 Speaker 5: It was starting to turn into a business, and I was like, I don't want to do this. I did not sign up to become a T shirt sales now, No, I did not. 00:25:17 Speaker 4: I mean I really I really enjoy making them. But we have a really small Our apartment is quite small. We actually don't have the space to make large quantities of shirt like it's I wish you if you go back on my Instagram, you could probably find it. But like we would just have literally stacks of shirts just all over our apartment. 00:25:34 Speaker 5: Like folding them. And it does use. 00:25:36 Speaker 4: A lot of water and you're just like oh yeah, washing things over and over again. So anyway, that is all to say that I really enjoyed making tied I stuff when I was making it, and I'd probably make it some more. 00:25:46 Speaker 5: But that's that's one of them. 00:25:48 Speaker 3: So so okay, first of okay, so walk me through how TI dyeing actually works. 00:25:53 Speaker 5: Okay, I don't understand. 00:25:55 Speaker 3: I mean because this is and usually, like I feel like you usually just see one color tidie that's probably and this is several different colors. 00:26:02 Speaker 5: It is. It is kind of the easiest. I mean, there's like two. 00:26:05 Speaker 4: So we we got after I got that Joeanne Fabrics like starter kit that was like, oh cool, this is fun and uh and then we we like looked or I researched, like legit, not that it wasn't legit, but it's just like what's the what are better dies and stuff like that. And so there's this company called Dharma that they've been the tied die folks for like the whole time. So like you know the shirts in the seventies and all that stuff that was them. 00:26:33 Speaker 5: That's like their dies. I mean that name is perfect. 00:26:36 Speaker 4: It's it's yeah, they got their first and uh it's something called a pro seon die. So the die, it's all it's very science y, you know, like the die actually bonds to the fibers in the shirt, so you have to use all natural fibers. It won't stick to anything synthetic. So the dyes that I was getting from like Joann Fabrics or if you use like a writ dye, that's I think it's called like immersion or something like that, where like it's not actually bonding to the fabric, which is why it tends to like fade or wash. 00:27:06 Speaker 5: Out or transfer and stuff like that. 00:27:08 Speaker 4: So these dies like once you once it is like fully like bonded and set to the fabric, it doesn't really it's not going to transfer. 00:27:16 Speaker 5: Like this shirt is still pretty vibrant and. 00:27:18 Speaker 4: It's it's even over zoom. It's very it's like two years old, you know, it's been I mean, let's say it looks brand new. Yeah, for a while so my partner got because she's also a carpenter, she got really into like folding techniques and that's a big part of it. But I was much more into like the dying part of it. Of like, right, that sounds like more fun to me. Yeah, that's just I'm a little I'm a little more like viscerally minded. I went to college for printmakings, and I was always like, just like using the stuff as opposed to like planning the thing out. It's just like the way my creativity works. And so there's pretty much two methods for. 00:27:59 Speaker 5: Tied to. 00:27:59 Speaker 4: I mean there's like three, but one is VAT dying, where you're like submerging it and like mixed dye. 00:28:05 Speaker 5: I never did that because it felt very overwhelming. I mean, where does one get a vat? 00:28:09 Speaker 4: Where do you get vats multiple vats, let alone a vat to necessitate a VAT rack, you know. 00:28:15 Speaker 5: What I mean. 00:28:17 Speaker 4: Well, you can mix it in the like classic style into like the ketchup bottle, you know, the OK sort of thing, and then you paint it onto the shirt or the method that I really enjoyed that I had no idea was even a thing until I started looking into this which is ice dyeing ice dyeing. Ice dyeing where you take because that when you buy the dye, it's powder, and then you mix it with water and that's part of what creates that chemical process, Like you have to have the water part of it for it to bond to the fiber. 00:28:47 Speaker 5: Otherwise it's just powder and it's not gonna do anything. 00:28:51 Speaker 4: And so typically you would mix it with some other additives to make it stronger, make it work better, all that stuff. But with ice dyeing, you take the shirt and you fold it whichever way you want it or crumple it up or do whatever you want. And then you either take the the powder dye and you put it directly onto the shirt as it's folded, and then you put ice on top of that as powder, and then you put ice on top of that or the other way around. You put the shirt there, you put ice over all the shirts, and then you just put die on top of the ice. And so then it creates this reaction in the ice where it splits because if the dyes are mixed together, which most of them are multiple colors mixed together, it starts to sort of. 00:29:33 Speaker 5: Split out all the different dyes. 00:29:36 Speaker 4: You can kind of see that in here, like, that's what's happening here. 00:29:39 Speaker 5: It's beautiful and so similar here. 00:29:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it splits that apart before it hits the fabric, and then when it hits the fabric, it like bonds that sort of dispersion, you know, and filtering coffee, yes, yeah, And you don't get that as much with the bottle mixed version because you really just get densities of the same color, which is also really beautiful. But this this is more like densities of colors, but also splits of colors like in there. 00:30:06 Speaker 5: It's incredible. 00:30:07 Speaker 3: I mean, it's way more detailed than a lot of ty dyeing. 00:30:10 Speaker 5: Yeah. Cool, the fractures, et cetera. Yeah, and you it's you don't. 00:30:15 Speaker 4: I mean, all the whole thing about tidy is you kind of can't make it bad. That's That's the one thing that I learned when I was doing it was so freeing and honestly helped me, I think overall, in my creativity, which is even the ones that I was like, oh this is ugly, I don't like this, somebody was like, oh my god, I love this. 00:30:33 Speaker 5: Right. Somebody was like. 00:30:35 Speaker 4: That's the one for me, and it was really just like a great reminder that like, I don't know, I don't know what's perfect and good and right. 00:30:43 Speaker 5: I just know what I like. 00:30:44 Speaker 3: You know, that's it, right, Just everybody's everybody has a different mess they prefer. 00:30:50 Speaker 5: That's right, there's something for everybody. 00:30:52 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm now thinking some sort of coffee companies should be using T shirts as filters for their coffee and selling them T shirts. 00:30:59 Speaker 4: And then you get to start dyeing your coffee yellow coffee, some red coffee. I like a nice dark blue coffee. I love a teal breakfast blend. And then so how long does that whole process for one T shirt take? So for one T shirt, it's basically I mean, the whole process is at least a day because you have to wait for the ice. 00:31:24 Speaker 5: To melt and things, so okay, that adds to it. 00:31:28 Speaker 4: So I mean it's pretty much like an eight hour process no matter how you sort of cut it, whether you're doing the bottles or you're doing the ice I thing, but the ice diye just makes it take a little bit longer because you have to wait. 00:31:43 Speaker 5: You don't get to you can't just control that part. But it does. 00:31:46 Speaker 4: Each shirt, it takes about ten minutes to like wash it all the way out and get it because you have to wash it out before you even wash. 00:31:52 Speaker 5: It in the washing machine. 00:31:54 Speaker 4: Otherwise it's just like a muck of color and then you're just ruining kind of what you just did. Yeah, and then you're like rinsing that out, and then you're washing it on the washing machine and then drying it, folding it. 00:32:05 Speaker 5: All that stuff. 00:32:06 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like it's like an eight hour process for each shirt, give or take. 00:32:10 Speaker 3: So are you now just kind of tie dying as you as you want to just on occasion? 00:32:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. For like, like we have some socks. Those are way more manageable. 00:32:22 Speaker 5: Oh to do. 00:32:23 Speaker 4: It's like just such so much less fabric to deal with and so much less die to deal with. So it's often something that we make for gifts, you know, like somebody and people really like them. 00:32:34 Speaker 5: So have you have you tied eyed a pant? 00:32:38 Speaker 4: Uh? 00:32:38 Speaker 5: You know? I haven't. 00:32:40 Speaker 4: I really did want to do like sweatpants, you know, Oh, sweatpants is like sweatpants would be really fun or just you know, some white Dicky's or something like that'd be a lot of fun. 00:32:49 Speaker 3: Right, I'm now like the whole world of clothing is opening up before me tied eyed wedding dress. Ye, there are so many white pieces of clothing that could go through proats. 00:32:59 Speaker 4: Like something that was a fun idea that I kind of wanted to do is get some sheets and you can just. 00:33:04 Speaker 5: Put them like under everything else and you're dying stuff. 00:33:08 Speaker 4: And then it just catches that and then you you don't even have to like plan it out, you know, but you never did it. I never did it, didn't urge. I didn't want to spend the money on the sheets. I wanted to get like, you know, recycled sheets, and then you know, good ideas never happened. But man, there's like I really recommend checking it out on Instagram, like even just I just follow the hashtag ice dye. The things that people are capable of doing, you know, Like some of this stuff is just like huge you know sheets, like where people are making just like a big tapestry and you're just like, how did you plan that out? 00:33:42 Speaker 5: How did you do that? Like it's so much planning. 00:33:47 Speaker 3: I can't I mean jealous, buying the ink alogone to die alone would scare me. 00:33:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot. 00:33:53 Speaker 3: Oh boy, I just took So there's a place I wish I could remember the name, somewhere here in La Over in frog Town where you can take shirts and clothing to what's called a community die bath. 00:34:04 Speaker 4: Yes, I know where you're talking about. They also do all the repair for Patagonia and. 00:34:07 Speaker 5: Stuff like that. 00:34:08 Speaker 4: Oh really, I think I think we're talking about the same place. It's right across the street from wax Paper. 00:34:13 Speaker 5: Yes, that's the place. 00:34:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I took some shirts there and we're going to see what happens. Oh nice, But it seems like a good idea. Yeah, it's at least a novelty. It's something new. 00:34:24 Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, often those kinds of things, yet, like you know, people turn their nose up that it's like this hipster thing or something, and I'm not going to deny that it is. But I also think that reconnecting to the things in your life, you know, is not materialistic, and I think it's actually really important, you know, to have like a connection to you know, the food that you eat, you know, whatever that looks like. 00:34:49 Speaker 5: Just some knowledge of the things in your life or. 00:34:52 Speaker 4: Just like an experience in like realizing like oh, you know, to go back to like the housekeeper thing. It's like, thank you for cleaning my living space, thank you for doing. 00:35:02 Speaker 5: This for me. You know. 00:35:03 Speaker 4: It's like we I feel like society and even more so now in the pandemic with like you know, just like ordering food and like you never you don't even see the person that does it. It's just like such removal from our experience of life on a daily basis and anything that gets me closer to that. And like, it was really fun making shirts and then people posting about it and. 00:35:25 Speaker 5: How many shirts total did you sell? 00:35:28 Speaker 4: I mean, so the shirts were like fifty dollars, which is pretty high, but that paid for the shirt and then allowed for us to donate. I think we donated ten dollars a shirt. Well that's great, So if we just do the price has changed. But if we just keep it at that and we donated five thousand, that's five hundred. 00:35:48 Speaker 3: Wos so many sports. I can't believe shark level. I feel like you could have pitched the Sharks. 00:35:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, we could have pitched to the Sharks, but they would have hated the donation model. 00:35:58 Speaker 5: They would have won. I know, they were just down yeah. Absolutely. 00:36:02 Speaker 4: They would have been like, no, this is unsustainable, and we're like, no, that's the point. We didn't want to make any money on us. We wanted to get rid of all of it. This is going to cost you, my that's right. This is a financial risk in every way. 00:36:14 Speaker 5: Sorry, Mark Cuban, this is fun. 00:36:18 Speaker 4: I'd love to see Mark and Tide Eye. Oh my god, Laura Ti, Oh my god, Barbara in. 00:36:22 Speaker 5: Some times, Barbara, Oh, she's born to be. I feel like mister Wonderful definitely has some Oh. 00:36:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was a period when he was a hippie and it's all curdled and you know, it's kind of a time or something. 00:36:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was kind of just an old creep. He's a total creep. 00:36:39 Speaker 3: And we've all just forgotten about his big boating accident. I mean, oh, what was the boating accident? I mean I I don't even want to get into the details. 00:36:47 Speaker 4: It's very I didn't remember the boat part, but remember the accident part. 00:36:51 Speaker 3: Mister Wonderful behind somebody, you know, the boats and mister Wonderful probably shouldn't be happening anymore. 00:36:57 Speaker 5: Let's just say that, Yeah, mister chill it out. 00:37:04 Speaker 3: I feel like you're you're such a sharp dresser. 00:37:09 Speaker 5: Oh, I thank you. 00:37:10 Speaker 3: Do you like do you have like what's your goal with dressing? Usually like, do you? Because I feel like mine is so chaotic. I feel like I don't really have a north star for my wardrobe. And I you, I feel like You've always got nice denim jeans or something. It's like always it feels put together, whereas I'm like just grabbing two things out of the closet. 00:37:33 Speaker 5: I need a little bit more direction. 00:37:36 Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, I guess I like to have staples in my I like to keep it very simple. You know, what are your staples? So my staples are. I have a pair of black jeans. I have a pair of you know, indigo jeans. And I have a pair of I've opened up my world. I have a pair of ekrew jeans, which are basically white. Oh so that's new for me to white because I started becoming one of those guys that wears all white. You know that here just looking to have a stain at all, looking to get stained, looking like a toddler that's out to paint your house or something. 00:38:13 Speaker 5: But yeah, I just have like I try to I. 00:38:16 Speaker 4: Find something that I like, and then I wear that, you know. So I have like a new brand of jeans that I really enjoy. So I get those jeans, and I I buy you know, the like Selvage handmade jeans because they last me a really long time. 00:38:32 Speaker 5: And maybe I don't need them as much now. 00:38:34 Speaker 4: But when I was like touring and that was like a main job, and I was doing that eight months out of the year, probably more like ten, I mean, I bought jeans and I would wear I had two pairs of them, and I mean they lasted me almost ten years. 00:38:48 Speaker 5: You know, that's very much. 00:38:49 Speaker 4: And I didn't have other jeans. That was it, you know, like that was what I wore, and I just rotated those out. And you know, I have like shorts and all those kinds of things to like break it up. But I just I'm I'm just like very simple in those tastes, you know. 00:39:03 Speaker 5: And then I have a T shirt problem for sure. Oh you have a tea? Do you have a zillion T shirts? 00:39:08 Speaker 4: I do, but I've gotten better at like buying fewer of them, and any time I want to buy one, I do have to go through what I have and make sure that there are things I'm not wearing and I get rid of them as opposed to just consuming and buying more and more, you know, because. 00:39:26 Speaker 5: I mean it's scary with it. It is. It is you never know you might want to wear it again. I might. 00:39:32 Speaker 4: I know this is horder mentality, Yeah, it is, it is. I've I've come to some new terms with my horder mentality. The small apartment really helps, you know. I'm very grateful to this tiny apartment because it's kept me very minimal with my things, and I've had to get I've and what I was the most afraid of Bridger is the thing you're talking about. 00:39:52 Speaker 5: It's like, well, what if I want to wear it again? 00:39:53 Speaker 4: But then I realized the reality was I was trying to like build the inventory for a museum of my own life. And I got really honest with myself that I was like, I am never gonna. 00:40:06 Speaker 5: Wear this shirt again, Like I know that for sure. 00:40:09 Speaker 4: And then I really got rid of a bunch of stuff that I really liked but never wore. 00:40:14 Speaker 5: I never ever ever wore it. 00:40:15 Speaker 4: And now I know that the things that I have I really like, you know, because. 00:40:20 Speaker 3: You can count on them, you can take it out of the closet and you'll want to wear it. 00:40:23 Speaker 5: And I'll want to wear it. 00:40:23 Speaker 4: And if I can't wear it, I'm keeping it because it was my mom's or you know, this is like you know a band that I really like that I cannot replace this and name the band uh letigra. Oh of course that's a great T shirt. It's a great T shirt. I don't think I can wear it anymore. I'm like, too, I'm too big for it. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to that point when you're like when a T shirt becomes precious and you're like, oh God, something happens to this thing. 00:40:46 Speaker 5: Then it's just gone. 00:40:48 Speaker 4: But that number of shirts is like five as opposed to like fifty before that, I had like rolled up and like in boxes that never saw the light of day. You know, so you're a hoard or two. Yeah, you have a horder. Okay, it's nice to be seen. It's nice to be here with you, fellow T shirt. 00:41:06 Speaker 3: I mean you and I are on the exact same page with T shirts. I think my oldest T shirt it is probably from two thousand and five. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's almost ready for college totally, and I still love it. Yeah, but it's not like becoming thin. I'm like, oh, this is going to fall apart at something. 00:41:24 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. 00:41:25 Speaker 4: Well, my oldest T shirt that is mine that wasn't given to My oldest T shirt is my mom's Jackson brown shirt from like nineteen seventy seven. 00:41:34 Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's a collector's Yeah it is. 00:41:37 Speaker 4: It's actually the Jackson brown shirt that Neil Young wore a lot. It's actually more known as a Neil Young shirt than it is a Jackson brown shirt. And I used to be able to fit into it, which is like I'm just so tiny before, but I can't anymore. 00:41:51 Speaker 5: But it's a very important shirt to me. But the oldest shirt that I have that was actually mine, I is from nineteen ninety one. 00:41:58 Speaker 4: Whoa wait, you've owned it since I have owned it. 00:42:02 Speaker 5: I remember when I bought it. I had what is the shirt? 00:42:05 Speaker 4: It is an mc esher all over print shirt that I got from the science store, the Nature store at Balden Village Mall in Canton, Ohio. And I had a black version, which is the one I still have with white printing, and then I had a white version with black ink on it. And I had both up until very recently, and I do not know what happened to the white one. I think it donated by someone else. It is sad, but I'm glad I have the other one. And I was the it did and I've since outgrown it. But that's how it's I bought it when I was nine, and I wore it at nine and it was like longer than my shorts, you know, because it was the nineties. And then the nineties came back, so I was wearing it again and people really liked it. And then I was like, maybe I don't want to wash this all the time because I kind of want to. I like the shirt. I would love to keep it. And now it's like too small. It's a nineteen ninety one large, which I thought. 00:43:00 Speaker 3: Which was like a two thousand and nine, like uh small's yeah, the sizing of T shirts. 00:43:08 Speaker 5: Is it's gone all. 00:43:10 Speaker 4: Like two thousand, two thousand, you could not buy a small sized shirt. 00:43:16 Speaker 5: You can only buy large and extra large. That was it. 00:43:18 Speaker 3: Two thousand as a small person was hell? I bet, yeah, I mean I. 00:43:23 Speaker 4: Remember did not shirts and I just like I could not wear I couldn't wear them. 00:43:26 Speaker 5: I would try to shrink them. 00:43:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I could go to stores two sizes. Even a medium in two thousand was like a large or extra large now. And as a person who barely fits into a small shirt, I mean, the world was just a never ending nightmare for me. 00:43:42 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:43:42 Speaker 4: I bet it's just yeah, the sizing, and you know, to bring it back to American apparel, that was what was revolutionary. 00:43:48 Speaker 5: About that company. 00:43:49 Speaker 4: To me, that company has some real problems, huge problems, but they did some good things. But they did bring back a full size, yes. 00:44:00 Speaker 5: To four X. 00:44:01 Speaker 4: You know, I was like, oh, thank you and everything in between. You could actually get a shirt that fit you. And then there were the terrible you know, early two thousands where everybody was wearing like way too small of shirts. 00:44:11 Speaker 3: Oh right, that's another Just like a shirt that fits the body. That's all I'm asking for. 00:44:17 Speaker 5: God, well, I hope that were on so many bodies. Let's get a shirt for each of them. 00:44:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, and now I do feel like we're kind of spacksliding into every shirt is huge. 00:44:26 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we are. For sure. 00:44:27 Speaker 3: I'm drowning in shirts, which is again why it's great that I have kind of a back catalog of things from I can't believe I came in here saying I had the oldest T shirt from two thousand and five, thinking that was going to be impressive, and. 00:44:38 Speaker 5: Then you tell me nineteen ninety one. Yeah, I mean, I definitely. 00:44:42 Speaker 4: I still I've I have some shirts from high school still. It's like crazy the stuff that I have, and just now I've grown out of it. 00:44:49 Speaker 5: But I've been able to wear it since high school like I have. 00:44:52 Speaker 4: Like I really loved cowboy shirts in high school and this was like the people were not totally wearing those yet and I would wear just like with a wagon wheel on my shoulders. 00:45:02 Speaker 5: And I still have it and I just now recently grew out of it. 00:45:06 Speaker 3: Oh well, look, we live near by each other every day like donating dooinating T shirts. Let me know first, I will, I will the next time I do it. We should just start swapping clothes. 00:45:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, dou Wardrobes, I just rob your whole, just rob my house. 00:45:23 Speaker 5: You'll never even notice they're missing. That's right. 00:45:25 Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited about this tight I shirt. 00:45:28 Speaker 5: If it doesn't fit, I'll get you another size. 00:45:31 Speaker 3: I'm going I'm gonna become very picky about shirt sizes with please do I've got my receipt, I will come to you. This is so exciting. And let's name the company that's making these shirts again. It's called Everybody World. Okay, it seems like they're doing hopefully hopefully everything's above board and Everybody World, I. 00:45:48 Speaker 4: Think so it seems like it. It took a while to get the shirts, so I feel like they're doing everything right right, not super efficient. Then they're probably treating their employees well, you know. 00:45:58 Speaker 5: What I mean. 00:46:02 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's time to play a game. Okay, let's do it. Do you want to play a game called Gift Master or Gift or a Curse? Oh, let's do a Gift or a Curse. Okay, I need a number between one and ten six. Okay, I have to do some light calculating to get our game pieces. Great, right now, you can recommend something. You can spread a rumor or tell a secret, whatever you want. 00:46:24 Speaker 5: I'll be right back. Okay, great, I'll do I'll do a recommendation. 00:46:27 Speaker 4: Because this has been coming up for me, even just today, but I've been thinking about how I wanted to start reading this book again given all of the things that are going on in the world and consistently going on in the world. But I recently, a couple months ago, read All About Love by Belle Hooks, and I highly recommend it, And if you haven't read it, there's no better time than now. But it's essentially just a like long meditation on unconditional love and how to practice that in you know, a a world that does not want that, and in a in a very realistic and you know, deeply spiritual way that is within the society that we actually live in, not like just some. 00:47:16 Speaker 5: Oh like just be positive kind of it's like. 00:47:19 Speaker 4: Not ignoring, in fact, exposing all of the negative things in the systems that oppress all of us in our various ways, and the fact that love is actually the only way that we can disarm those systems. 00:47:34 Speaker 5: So I really enjoy that recommendation. I like it. 00:47:37 Speaker 3: I love us just a solid, full throated recommendation. 00:47:41 Speaker 4: Just full throated recommendation, Bell Hooks All About Love. 00:47:44 Speaker 3: There you go, everybody, go read it. I'm gonna download and enjoy. And now we're gonna play Gift or a Curse. Right, this is how the game works. I'm gonna name three things you're gonna tell me if there are a gift to a curse and why there are correct answers, So each one separately, each one separate. There's a strong chance you'll lose, there's a small chance you'll win. There's always in between. Let's just see how you. 00:48:11 Speaker 5: Do greats all how you play that? Okay, number. 00:48:16 Speaker 3: Number one, This is a These are actually all listeners suggestions, which is always exciting. 00:48:22 Speaker 5: Marla has suggested gift or a curse? Sleeping bags. 00:48:26 Speaker 4: Oh, and I need to defend my answer as well. 00:48:30 Speaker 5: Oh, yes, okay, sleeping bags. I say sleeping. 00:48:36 Speaker 4: Bags are a curse because you can never quite get comfortable in them. The only way I've found myself to be comfortable in a sleeping bag is by completely unzipping it and turning it into a blanket, so I feel like it's a blanket in disguise. 00:48:55 Speaker 5: So I say it's a curse. 00:48:57 Speaker 3: Oh, River, to start the game on such a bad note. 00:49:02 Speaker 5: Oh, what a shame. 00:49:05 Speaker 3: Oh, sleeping bags gifts absolutely look to wake up covered in sweat in a cocoon. 00:49:13 Speaker 5: What a thrill? Sweat? 00:49:16 Speaker 3: Name another sleeping apparatus that allows you to travel down a staircase. 00:49:20 Speaker 4: I mean, great point, Yeah, it is the toboggan of the stairs. 00:49:24 Speaker 3: The toboccan of the stairs. Thank you, you're already coming around on this. 00:49:27 Speaker 5: I am immediately to start. 00:49:29 Speaker 3: From such an incorrect place and then be willing come around. Yeah, it's very nice to see this sort of behavior. 00:49:36 Speaker 5: Uh. 00:49:36 Speaker 3: No, sleeping bags a gift you can get, you know, your favorite cartoon printed on them. You can have a nice sleek you know, minimal one. Yeah, we're obviously taking the. 00:49:44 Speaker 4: Can extract you all the time, which is great because it keeps you awake. 00:49:48 Speaker 5: And you don't want to sleep in a sleeping bag. 00:49:50 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no, you want to just be kind of uncomfortable and your. 00:49:56 Speaker 5: Slightly dry skin on the interior. 00:50:00 Speaker 3: They double as a bag should you need to like throw things in them. I see no problem with a sleeping bag. I love to camp. I'm not taking a blanket camping. I mean anyone who takes a blanket camp. 00:50:12 Speaker 4: I mean you are if you really look at the sleeping bag in its structure. 00:50:17 Speaker 3: Okay, you're not gonna win this this round of the game, no matter what you do. 00:50:23 Speaker 5: Okay, so you didn't get that point, that's okay, Okay, great, that's all right, that's okay. 00:50:26 Speaker 3: Don't feel too down. Yet here's the next one. This is from Gillian. Julian has suggested gift to a curse. Ice cream sandwich is where the cookie part is hard. 00:50:40 Speaker 4: This one's tough for me, and I'll tell you why after I give an answer. I'm going to go with gift because it is a curse when the cookie part is soft. Because I personally dislike ice cream sandwiches fully completely with my entire soul. 00:51:00 Speaker 5: What I dislike hate them across the board across. 00:51:03 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't hate the concept of two things with ice cream in between it, because I will eat like a cookie ice cream sandwich where it is an actual cookie, like an it's it or something like that. 00:51:16 Speaker 5: Delicious. 00:51:17 Speaker 4: But when you know the the the image that is evoked when you say ice cream sandwich is the hyper white vanilla ice cream with the weird dark brown wafer you know, bun if you will. 00:51:32 Speaker 5: I dislike those so deeply. I cannot stand them. 00:51:36 Speaker 4: They're terrible and I don't like them, and I don't understand how other people do. But I also respect other people's like scent, but I can't stand them. I hate them so much. 00:51:47 Speaker 3: So, just to be clear, you're saying the ones with the hard outside are a gift. 00:51:52 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. 00:51:53 Speaker 2: And you're wrong. 00:51:54 Speaker 5: I'm wrong. I know, I knew. 00:51:58 Speaker 3: Can ice cream all over your hands? You can't bite into that. The texture doesn't work. It doesn't make any sense, sure, but it doesn'txtually. 00:52:06 Speaker 5: It's a bad idea. The big my biggest. 00:52:09 Speaker 4: Dislike of the ice cream sandwich, which is that it gets stuck to the roof of your mouth and I don't. That's not an experience of food that I ever want. I never kind of like a gluey dome, like a gluey like like an asphalt on the top of my mouth. 00:52:25 Speaker 5: I don't. It's never anything that I want. 00:52:29 Speaker 3: Well, then maybe the I mean maybe the ice cream sandwich in general is a bad idea, but I think I need to be able to bite all the way through knowing sure, I see, you know it's not gonna squish. 00:52:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not going to go to the sides. You're right. 00:52:43 Speaker 3: And when it goes to the sides, it's no longer a sandwich. It's just my hands are have ice cream up. Yeah, it's a mistake and I'm eating kind of wet cookie. Yeah, sure, curse, Okay, river. This is not looking good. Let's give it one more shot. This is from Matt. Matt has suggested this is interesting gift or a curse. The blueeshell in Mario Kart. 00:53:05 Speaker 5: Are you familiar? 00:53:06 Speaker 4: I'm familiar with Mario Kart. I don't know what the blue sheell is. I can explain what the blue shell is before you give your answer. The blue shell. You know, you throw things at each other in Mario Kart. The blueeshell is one that you throw out. Mario or Princess Peach or who have you will throw out the blue shell and it will track down first place in the race and hit them no matter what. Oh right, Yeah, So it's kind of like like it's usually given to the last person in the race as kind of a little help. Sure, I think it's a gift because who doesn't want to take down first place? 00:53:44 Speaker 5: Everybody? 00:53:45 Speaker 4: Everybody wants to knock first place down a pig. And also I believe in socialism, So that's my argument, that's a gift one step closer to socialism. 00:53:56 Speaker 5: You're right, you got one, correct. I think that I think it's a gift. 00:54:01 Speaker 3: Look, it's I think a lot of people look at them as kind of a cheat or you know, kind of a cheap way of playing. I love the idea of ruining, you know, number one's big opportunity. I love something that levels the playing field for everybody. Yeah, it looks cool. It's a little blue turtle shells spikes on it. I mean, who can deny it? 00:54:20 Speaker 5: Who can deny that? 00:54:22 Speaker 3: I see no nothing wrong with the blue shell and Mario Kart, and anyone that does. 00:54:26 Speaker 5: Is a sore loser. 00:54:28 Speaker 4: They were probably in first They're one of these people who always has to be first. Yeah, they can't operate outside of the world of first place. 00:54:34 Speaker 5: And you can't. 00:54:35 Speaker 3: You can't live in reality like that. You've got to be able to occasionally get hit by a blue shop. 00:54:39 Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred. 00:54:41 Speaker 3: I love that we're on the same page here because you did do a terrible job with Monald job terrible, But I think the listener is thrilled for you. I'm thrilled for you. And you got thirty three percent. 00:54:54 Speaker 5: Okay, great, I mean that's not one out of three eight bad as me ban um. 00:55:02 Speaker 3: Okay, we're moving into I said no emails. This is the part of the podcast where people write into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. Every one of them's got some problem that they've decided to rope me and the guests into, and then we end up solving it perfectly. That's all you need to know. Would you answer a question with me? 00:55:21 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 00:55:23 Speaker 3: All right, Let's see here. Let me get into the dock. We've always got to get into the dock. 00:55:28 Speaker 2: To the dock. 00:55:29 Speaker 3: Okay, we're into the dog Scott. Okay, this says Hello Bridger and gorgeous, gorgeous guest, which is nice. They knew, they obviously knew you were coming on the show. 00:55:42 Speaker 5: Let's see. 00:55:43 Speaker 3: This says I'm in a bit of a predicament and I hope you can help. Well, we definitely can. 00:55:48 Speaker 5: Uh. 00:55:48 Speaker 3: My best friend since childhood and one of my best college girlfriends are getting married on the same day. My childhood friend and I have only gotten closer and I can't imagine my life without her friend. Also, our families are extremely close and are invited to her wedding as well. Okay, so we've got that one wedding, the family and her invited to the best friend from childhood. 00:56:10 Speaker 5: Okay. 00:56:10 Speaker 3: Then my college friend and I live in the same city and hang out often. We used to be roommates and would and I would consider us extremely close. Okay, the weddings are taking place about four hours apart, so there is no way to try to attend both. I will be going to both bachelorette parties and any showers, etc. 00:56:28 Speaker 5: Throne. 00:56:29 Speaker 3: This person's very committed to the idea whole pridding marriage. Yeah, Okay, I have already committed to going. Okay, I've already committed to going to the childhood friend's wedding. I am hoping you can come up with some sort of gift or experience I can give to my college girlfriend to make up for the fact that I won't be in attendance at her wedding. We have already discussed that I won't be there and and she. 00:56:51 Speaker 5: Is very upset. 00:56:53 Speaker 3: Okay, the weddings are later this summer, so please let me know if you have any ideas on how I can make this day time is special for both people, even if I can't go to both celebrations. Thanks in advance, yours and just simply H. Obviously H has withheld the name because there's a lot of drama in ages. 00:57:12 Speaker 5: Give that away immediately. 00:57:15 Speaker 4: It's a very eric of specific circumstance. 00:57:20 Speaker 3: Okay, so what do we do here? H has I think largely to blame for all of this. 00:57:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, they should just not go to anything. 00:57:29 Speaker 3: And my friends, the simple thing is to just move to the woods, move to. 00:57:34 Speaker 4: The deserts, and go away from the world. 00:57:41 Speaker 5: Go live on Walden Pond, do your thing. 00:57:47 Speaker 2: H You. 00:57:47 Speaker 3: I mean, I really I'm gonna point the finger here at you because you obviously, if both of these people are so obsessed with you, you've obviously done something a little creepy and kind of forcing your way into their lives. That they're just obsessed with you. Sounds like more so than even the person they're marrying. 00:58:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like a Harry Bradshaw situation. Yeah, this is a total city but boy o boy. 00:58:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't and this other person that's upset or whatever seems deeply irrational. 00:58:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, she's got something she needs to work through. But what do we give her? 00:58:25 Speaker 3: And the first thought, while we're sitting here, I'm thinking, why not send some sort of video message that she has to play at the wedding, either during the ceremony, during the reception at some point a projector Yeah, I would say a ten to fifteen minute message of you addressing more. 00:58:45 Speaker 4: I think more like twenty and I would say I need a thirty minute end it with the dance sequence from Dirty Dancing. 00:58:55 Speaker 5: Make everybody watch that now? 00:58:57 Speaker 3: Are you saying the Dirty Dancing dance sequence? The video transitions to reality and then this person has appeared to dance. 00:59:03 Speaker 4: No, no, it just cuts to Dirty Dancing and it's the scene from Dirty Dancing. 00:59:08 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a VHS tape that got taped over correct, So it kind of like fuzzes over and it's like, oh, this person recorded Dirty Dancing on TBS. 00:59:16 Speaker 5: Yeah. I think maybe twenty to thirty minutes right in pilot. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, which will be you're looking for a Yeah, of course you're looking for You're going to have a captive audience that the wedding goers will be eager to watch a video of someone they don't know. 00:59:33 Speaker 5: Some of them, none of them know except for the bride. 00:59:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, the bride, it's going to be over the moon. Her big day is now also your big day. 00:59:43 Speaker 5: It's your pilot presentation. 00:59:46 Speaker 4: So it's become what a what a what a what a gift for everybody to get to watch your pilot, you know, I mean, good lord, they thought they were just gonna sit at a wedding. 00:59:55 Speaker 5: Now they get to watch a. 00:59:56 Speaker 3: Pilot about weddings as people want them to be at least an extra half hour long, extra half hour. 01:00:05 Speaker 5: Everyone's just like, I wish that had been just another half hour. 01:00:08 Speaker 4: Just one more half hour, and I would have been great. And this is played during this ceremony. Also, I just want to say to be clear that this is not played during the reception. 01:00:18 Speaker 5: No captive. 01:00:21 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that's almost like a movie tailor. 01:00:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly leading up to the big ceremony. 01:00:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you're on the little roller coaster and then the popcorn pops and everybody goes and then, oh. 01:00:31 Speaker 3: I love that roller coaster. A moment, the roller coaster before the movies. 01:00:35 Speaker 4: I love when they redid it and they kept that moment. I'm just like, I'm old enough to remember this. 01:00:44 Speaker 5: That moment's incredible. 01:00:46 Speaker 3: I mean one incredible moment, like riding through the giant soda copper what have you? 01:00:50 Speaker 5: Oh, what a thrill to be at. 01:00:51 Speaker 4: The thrill, What a thrill to be at the movies and then throw your trash away in the receptacle at the end age. 01:00:57 Speaker 3: Think about doing that for your college friend's wedding. I think that that's probably the one thing other than you missing from the wedding is your pilot present. 01:01:05 Speaker 5: Take pilot present. 01:01:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then maybe you'll go to a series and the pilot gets picked up and suddenly everybody's watching your TV show. 01:01:13 Speaker 5: You're a star. Your friend's wedding has been perfected by your TV show. 01:01:19 Speaker 4: You're a video message and Emmy and everybody was there when you presented it. 01:01:25 Speaker 3: Suddenly you're the president of Hollywood. You're a mogul. And it all started just because you couldn't decide between two weddings. 01:01:33 Speaker 5: Go to a wedding. 01:01:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an amazing everybody fath what a twist of faith. 01:01:40 Speaker 4: It's almost like dirty dancing age. You're so lucky you wrote into the podcast when you did. Your friend should also probably write me a thank you note. 01:01:52 Speaker 5: I'll take one. Two. 01:01:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we will send you our mailing addresses off podcast. Feel send us the gift basket, whatever it takes to really show your gratitude. 01:02:04 Speaker 4: And then I got the sides, so h I will be reading for that part. I think you're right I think I'm perfect for it. So I just want to spend a little time with it and really like feel them a little bit, you understand, Ah, So you know I'll be sending you that tape soon. 01:02:19 Speaker 3: This is the untitled River Butcher pilot. We've got the wheels are on. H is so happy, everyone's happy. This podcast does so many good things for people. 01:02:30 Speaker 5: He really does. And you know, and no one can complain. Nobody. 01:02:34 Speaker 3: I can't hear a single complain about this. I don't have the emotional wherewithal. 01:02:39 Speaker 5: Everyone's satisfied. There's no complaints. 01:02:43 Speaker 2: River. 01:02:43 Speaker 3: We answered the question perfectly. I now have a beautiful tied ye t shirt YEA. Not just something that was purchased a hot topic. Nope, this thing is from your own hands, hand made from my own hands. What an incredible gift, my own house. 01:02:56 Speaker 5: What a gift. 01:02:57 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. I've had a wonderful I hope you like it, U listener. This is, of course, traditionally where we end the podcast and then you stop listening to the audio. You go do something, maybe you think about me non stop. You tell everybody that you've finally fallen in love. It's with Bridger and you just keep spreading the word and have it, and then eventually we do meet. We cross paths at the grocery outlet and we both reach for the discount mug and that's where our love story begins. But until then, you've got to stop listening to the podcast. I'm begging you stop listening to this episode. Maybe rewind, I don't know, do whatever you need to do. Goodbye. I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by John Bradley. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. Follow the show on Instagram at I said no Gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? 01:04:10 Speaker 1: Now? 01:04:10 Speaker 3: Make sure to listen, follow, and most important, they leave a heartfelt review on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget. You can listen to new episodes one week early on Amazon Music or early and ad free by subscribing to Wondery Plus. 01:04:29 Speaker 5: In the Wondery app. 01:04:32 Speaker 2: The line why did you hear fun? 01:04:37 Speaker 1: A man myself perfectly clear? 01:04:40 Speaker 2: But you're a guest to me. You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no guests. 01:04:51 Speaker 1: Your presences presents enough, and I'm already too much stuff. 01:04:58 Speaker 2: So how do you to obey me?