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Speaker 3: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Pritchard Wineker. I

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Speaker 3: It's River Butcher, River, Welcome to I said, no gifts.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you like, meanwhile, find something that you

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Speaker 5: Get into the bag like a cat. Get into the bag.

440
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm feeling I'm feeling cloth. Yeah, okay, I'm reaching in.

441
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 4: It's real cloth, it's not oh my camera clo I'm

442
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 4: just going to this is so bizarre.

443
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not that bizarre. Nothing, nothing in

444
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 3: my world is that bizarre. But I was looking at

445
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 3: your shirt and I was going to ask you about

446
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: your shirt. Yeah, and now I'm reaching into this bag.

447
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

448
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so River.

449
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,719
Speaker 3: Is currently wearing a beautiful tie dyed T shirt. And

450
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: now what I've I've reached into the bag and pulled

451
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 3: out my own tie dyed shirt.

452
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 5: I didn't even. I just was attracted to.

453
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 4: This shirt this morning when I put it on, Like

454
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: I knew I was going to this podcast. I knew

455
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 4: what I gave you, but I just like grab the shirt.

456
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I'll wear this one. That'll look

457
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 4: good on the zoom. Like I just didn't even. It's

458
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 4: not even but also coincidence, and it's perfectly aligned.

459
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 5: You know, like this is wild.

460
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: It feels like your reality is like bleeding through the

461
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: zoom into my reality. Like suddenly, i'll glasses, I'll have

462
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 3: a green wall behind me.

463
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 5: Okay, I have a tied dye T shirt? Did you

464
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 5: make this? I did? Yeah? How well?

465
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 4: My partner and I made those so we uh during

466
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 4: the pandem, I mean, we did not make the shirt itself.

467
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: We did buy the shirt, would I mean, I would

468
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 4: be so impressed. I mean, yeah, you never know. With

469
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: my partner, you never know, she makes all kinds of stuff.

470
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 4: But we got it from this company called uh Everybody World,

471
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 4: which is local in Los Angeles, and they kind of

472
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 4: grew out of the ashes of American apparel and kind

473
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: of the positive like the actual stuff that was supposedly

474
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 4: or actually good about American apparel, which is like living

475
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: wages and you know, reusing things and sustainability all that stuff,

476
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 4: and implemented it and now that's the company is like

477
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 4: running on those things so that it's one hundred percent

478
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 4: recycled cotton, which is all of that shirt is excess

479
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 4: fiber from making.

480
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 5: I have no idea how do you recycle fights. I

481
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: don't know.

482
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 4: It's like just the whole thing where you like you

483
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: get the fibers and then you turn them, you loom it,

484
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: and you make the shirts from that.

485
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 5: Just run it through some sort of paper shred or something. Yeah.

486
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: So that shirt is very low impact on the environment.

487
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 4: And then we got into it was white yep, but

488
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 4: not super white because they don't like they don't bleach

489
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 4: the Yeah. Yeah, it retains that sort of earthiness to it.

490
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 4: And then yeah, in the pandemic, we you know, we

491
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 4: my partner is a musician, but also she does many jobs,

492
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 4: but that's like her main thing.

493
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 5: So each of us we weren't able to do our jobs.

494
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 4: And we were looking for like creative outlets and I

495
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 4: got like a I was actually doing the artist way

496
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 4: when it.

497
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 5: Started, and so I was looking for stuff and.

498
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 4: I got like a little tidike hit from like Joe

499
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: Ann's or something online and did it and really enjoyed

500
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 4: making them. And then so we just started making them

501
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: and people were like, yeah, we want to buy these,

502
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 4: and we were like okay, and so we started making

503
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: them and people were buying them, and we've I think

504
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 4: we donated like five thousand dollars, oh my god. Together,

505
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: that's how many shirts we sold. And then it it

506
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 4: was like.

507
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: It was starting to turn into a business, and I

508
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 5: was like, I don't want to do this. I did

509
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: not sign up to become a T shirt sales now, No,

510
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 5: I did not.

511
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: I mean I really I really enjoy making them. But

512
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 4: we have a really small Our apartment is quite small.

513
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 4: We actually don't have the space to make large quantities

514
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 4: of shirt like it's I wish you if you go

515
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: back on my Instagram, you could probably find it. But

516
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 4: like we would just have literally stacks of shirts just

517
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 4: all over our apartment.

518
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 5: Like folding them. And it does use.

519
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: A lot of water and you're just like oh yeah,

520
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: washing things over and over again. So anyway, that is

521
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 4: all to say that I really enjoyed making tied I

522
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: stuff when I was making it, and I'd probably make

523
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 4: it some more.

524
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 5: But that's that's one of them.

525
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 3: So so okay, first of okay, so walk me through

526
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: how TI dyeing actually works.

527
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't understand.

528
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: I mean because this is and usually, like I feel

529
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: like you usually just see one color tidie that's probably

530
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: and this is several different colors.

531
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 5: It is. It is kind of the easiest. I mean,

532
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 5: there's like two.

533
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 4: So we we got after I got that Joeanne Fabrics

534
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: like starter kit that was like, oh cool, this is

535
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 4: fun and uh and then we we like looked or

536
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 4: I researched, like legit, not that it wasn't legit, but

537
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 4: it's just like what's the what are better dies and

538
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: stuff like that. And so there's this company called Dharma

539
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: that they've been the tied die folks for like the

540
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 4: whole time. So like you know the shirts in the

541
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 4: seventies and all that stuff that was them.

542
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 5: That's like their dies. I mean that name is perfect.

543
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: It's it's yeah, they got their first and uh it's

544
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: something called a pro seon die. So the die, it's

545
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 4: all it's very science y, you know, like the die

546
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: actually bonds to the fibers in the shirt, so you

547
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: have to use all natural fibers. It won't stick to

548
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 4: anything synthetic. So the dyes that I was getting from

549
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 4: like Joann Fabrics or if you use like a writ dye,

550
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: that's I think it's called like immersion or something like that,

551
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: where like it's not actually bonding to the fabric, which

552
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: is why it tends to like fade or wash.

553
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 5: Out or transfer and stuff like that.

554
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 4: So these dies like once you once it is like

555
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: fully like bonded and set to the fabric, it doesn't

556
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: really it's not going to transfer.

557
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 5: Like this shirt is still pretty vibrant and.

558
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: It's it's even over zoom. It's very it's like two

559
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 4: years old, you know, it's been I mean, let's say

560
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: it looks brand new. Yeah, for a while so my

561
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: partner got because she's also a carpenter, she got really

562
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 4: into like folding techniques and that's a big part of it.

563
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: But I was much more into like the dying part

564
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: of it. Of like, right, that sounds like more fun

565
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: to me. Yeah, that's just I'm a little I'm a

566
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: little more like viscerally minded. I went to college for printmakings,

567
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: and I was always like, just like using the stuff

568
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: as opposed to like planning the thing out. It's just

569
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: like the way my creativity works. And so there's pretty

570
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 4: much two methods for.

571
00:27:59,040 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: Tied to.

572
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: I mean there's like three, but one is VAT dying,

573
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 4: where you're like submerging it and like mixed dye.

574
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 5: I never did that because it felt very overwhelming. I mean,

575
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 5: where does one get a vat?

576
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: Where do you get vats multiple vats, let alone a

577
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 4: vat to necessitate a VAT rack, you know.

578
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: What I mean.

579
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: Well, you can mix it in the like classic style

580
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: into like the ketchup bottle, you know, the OK sort

581
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 4: of thing, and then you paint it onto the shirt

582
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 4: or the method that I really enjoyed that I had

583
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 4: no idea was even a thing until I started looking

584
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: into this which is ice dyeing ice dyeing. Ice dyeing

585
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: where you take because that when you buy the dye,

586
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: it's powder, and then you mix it with water and

587
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: that's part of what creates that chemical process, Like you

588
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: have to have the water part of it for it

589
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 4: to bond to the fiber.

590
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: Otherwise it's just powder and it's not gonna do anything.

591
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: And so typically you would mix it with some other

592
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: additives to make it stronger, make it work better, all

593
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: that stuff. But with ice dyeing, you take the shirt

594
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: and you fold it whichever way you want it or

595
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 4: crumple it up or do whatever you want. And then

596
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: you either take the the powder dye and you put

597
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: it directly onto the shirt as it's folded, and then

598
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 4: you put ice on top of that as powder, and

599
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 4: then you put ice on top of that or the

600
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: other way around. You put the shirt there, you put

601
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: ice over all the shirts, and then you just put

602
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 4: die on top of the ice. And so then it

603
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: creates this reaction in the ice where it splits because

604
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 4: if the dyes are mixed together, which most of them

605
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: are multiple colors mixed together, it starts to sort of.

606
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: Split out all the different dyes.

607
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: You can kind of see that in here, like, that's

608
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: what's happening here.

609
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: It's beautiful and so similar here.

610
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it splits that apart before it hits the fabric,

611
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: and then when it hits the fabric, it like bonds

612
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: that sort of dispersion, you know, and filtering coffee, yes, yeah,

613
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 4: And you don't get that as much with the bottle

614
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 4: mixed version because you really just get densities of the

615
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 4: same color, which is also really beautiful. But this this

616
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: is more like densities of colors, but also splits of

617
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: colors like in there.

618
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 5: It's incredible.

619
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's way more detailed than a lot of

620
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: ty dyeing.

621
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 5: Yeah. Cool, the fractures, et cetera. Yeah, and you it's

622
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 5: you don't.

623
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: I mean, all the whole thing about tidy is you

624
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: kind of can't make it bad. That's That's the one

625
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: thing that I learned when I was doing it was

626
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: so freeing and honestly helped me, I think overall, in

627
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 4: my creativity, which is even the ones that I was like,

628
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: oh this is ugly, I don't like this, somebody was like,

629
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: oh my god, I love this.

630
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: Right. Somebody was like.

631
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 4: That's the one for me, and it was really just

632
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 4: like a great reminder that like, I don't know, I

633
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: don't know what's perfect and good and right.

634
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 5: I just know what I like.

635
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: You know, that's it, right, Just everybody's everybody has a

636
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 3: different mess they prefer.

637
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 5: That's right, there's something for everybody.

638
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm now thinking some sort of coffee companies

639
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: should be using T shirts as filters for their coffee

640
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: and selling them T shirts.

641
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: And then you get to start dyeing your coffee yellow coffee,

642
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: some red coffee. I like a nice dark blue coffee.

643
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: I love a teal breakfast blend. And then so how

644
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: long does that whole process for one T shirt take?

645
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 4: So for one T shirt, it's basically I mean, the

646
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: whole process is at least a day because you have

647
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: to wait for the ice.

648
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 5: To melt and things, so okay, that adds to it.

649
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 4: So I mean it's pretty much like an eight hour

650
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: process no matter how you sort of cut it, whether

651
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 4: you're doing the bottles or you're doing the ice I thing,

652
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: but the ice diye just makes it take a little

653
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: bit longer because you have to wait.

654
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 5: You don't get to you can't just control that part.

655
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 5: But it does.

656
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: Each shirt, it takes about ten minutes to like wash

657
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: it all the way out and get it because you

658
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: have to wash it out before you even wash.

659
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 5: It in the washing machine.

660
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 4: Otherwise it's just like a muck of color and then

661
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: you're just ruining kind of what you just did. Yeah,

662
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 4: and then you're like rinsing that out, and then you're

663
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: washing it on the washing machine and then drying it,

664
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: folding it.

665
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 5: All that stuff.

666
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like it's like an eight hour process

667
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 4: for each shirt, give or take.

668
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: So are you now just kind of tie dying as

669
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: you as you want to just on occasion?

670
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. For like, like we have some socks.

671
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: Those are way more manageable.

672
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 5: Oh to do.

673
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: It's like just such so much less fabric to deal

674
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: with and so much less die to deal with. So

675
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: it's often something that we make for gifts, you know,

676
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: like somebody and people really like them.

677
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 5: So have you have you tied eyed a pant?

678
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: Uh?

679
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 5: You know? I haven't.

680
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: I really did want to do like sweatpants, you know, Oh,

681
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: sweatpants is like sweatpants would be really fun or just

682
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 4: you know, some white Dicky's or something like that'd be

683
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: a lot of fun.

684
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: Right, I'm now like the whole world of clothing is

685
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: opening up before me tied eyed wedding dress. Ye, there

686
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: are so many white pieces of clothing that could go

687
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: through proats.

688
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: Like something that was a fun idea that I kind

689
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: of wanted to do is get some sheets and you

690
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: can just.

691
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: Put them like under everything else and you're dying stuff.

692
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: And then it just catches that and then you you

693
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 4: don't even have to like plan it out, you know,

694
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: but you never did it. I never did it, didn't urge.

695
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: I didn't want to spend the money on the sheets.

696
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: I wanted to get like, you know, recycled sheets, and

697
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: then you know, good ideas never happened. But man, there's

698
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: like I really recommend checking it out on Instagram, like

699
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 4: even just I just follow the hashtag ice dye. The

700
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: things that people are capable of doing, you know, Like

701
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: some of this stuff is just like huge you know sheets,

702
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: like where people are making just like a big tapestry

703
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: and you're just like, how did you plan that out?

704
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: How did you do that? Like it's so much planning.

705
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: I can't I mean jealous, buying the ink alogone to

706
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: die alone would scare me.

707
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a lot.

708
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: Oh boy, I just took So there's a place I

709
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: wish I could remember the name, somewhere here in La

710
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: Over in frog Town where you can take shirts and

711
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: clothing to what's called a community die bath.

712
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I know where you're talking about. They also do

713
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 4: all the repair for Patagonia and.

714
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 5: Stuff like that.

715
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: Oh really, I think I think we're talking about the

716
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: same place. It's right across the street from wax Paper.

717
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 5: Yes, that's the place.

718
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I took some shirts there and we're

719
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 3: going to see what happens. Oh nice, But it seems

720
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: like a good idea. Yeah, it's at least a novelty.

721
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: It's something new.

722
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, often those kinds of things, yet,

723
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 4: like you know, people turn their nose up that it's

724
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: like this hipster thing or something, and I'm not going

725
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: to deny that it is. But I also think that

726
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: reconnecting to the things in your life, you know, is

727
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 4: not materialistic, and I think it's actually really important, you know,

728
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: to have like a connection to you know, the food

729
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: that you eat, you know, whatever that looks like.

730
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 5: Just some knowledge of the things in your life or.

731
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: Just like an experience in like realizing like oh, you know,

732
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 4: to go back to like the housekeeper thing. It's like,

733
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: thank you for cleaning my living space, thank you for doing.

734
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: This for me. You know.

735
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 4: It's like we I feel like society and even more

736
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 4: so now in the pandemic with like you know, just

737
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: like ordering food and like you never you don't even

738
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 4: see the person that does it. It's just like such

739
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: removal from our experience of life on a daily basis

740
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: and anything that gets me closer to that. And like,

741
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: it was really fun making shirts and then people posting

742
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: about it and.

743
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 5: How many shirts total did you sell?

744
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: I mean, so the shirts were like fifty dollars, which

745
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 4: is pretty high, but that paid for the shirt and

746
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: then allowed for us to donate. I think we donated

747
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: ten dollars a shirt. Well that's great, So if we

748
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: just do the price has changed. But if we just

749
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: keep it at that and we donated five thousand, that's

750
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 4: five hundred.

751
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: Wos so many sports. I can't believe shark level. I

752
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: feel like you could have pitched the Sharks.

753
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, we could have pitched to the Sharks, but they

754
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: would have hated the donation model.

755
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 5: They would have won. I know, they were just down yeah. Absolutely.

756
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: They would have been like, no, this is unsustainable, and

757
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 4: we're like, no, that's the point. We didn't want to

758
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: make any money on us. We wanted to get rid

759
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: of all of it. This is going to cost you,

760
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: my that's right. This is a financial risk in every way.

761
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 5: Sorry, Mark Cuban, this is fun.

762
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: I'd love to see Mark and Tide Eye. Oh my god,

763
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: Laura Ti, Oh my god, Barbara in.

764
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 5: Some times, Barbara, Oh, she's born to be. I feel

765
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 5: like mister Wonderful definitely has some Oh.

766
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was a period when he was

767
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: a hippie and it's all curdled and you know, it's

768
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: kind of a time or something.

769
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was kind of just an old creep.

770
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 5: He's a total creep.

771
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: And we've all just forgotten about his big boating accident.

772
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, what was the boating accident? I mean

773
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: I I don't even want to get into the details.

774
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 4: It's very I didn't remember the boat part, but remember

775
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: the accident part.

776
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: Mister Wonderful behind somebody, you know, the boats and mister

777
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: Wonderful probably shouldn't be happening anymore.

778
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 5: Let's just say that, Yeah, mister chill it out.

779
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 3: I feel like you're you're such a sharp dresser.

780
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: Oh, I thank you.

781
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: Do you like do you have like what's your goal

782
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: with dressing? Usually like, do you? Because I feel like

783
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: mine is so chaotic. I feel like I don't really

784
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 3: have a north star for my wardrobe. And I you,

785
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: I feel like You've always got nice denim jeans or something.

786
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: It's like always it feels put together, whereas I'm like

787
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: just grabbing two things out of the closet.

788
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: I need a little bit more direction.

789
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, I guess I like to have staples

790
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: in my I like to keep it very simple. You know,

791
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: what are your staples? So my staples are. I have

792
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: a pair of black jeans. I have a pair of

793
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 4: you know, indigo jeans. And I have a pair of

794
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 4: I've opened up my world. I have a pair of

795
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: ekrew jeans, which are basically white. Oh so that's new

796
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: for me to white because I started becoming one of

797
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: those guys that wears all white. You know that here

798
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: just looking to have a stain at all, looking to

799
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 4: get stained, looking like a toddler that's out to paint

800
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: your house or something.

801
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, I just have like I try to I.

802
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 4: Find something that I like, and then I wear that,

803
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: you know. So I have like a new brand of

804
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: jeans that I really enjoy. So I get those jeans,

805
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: and I I buy you know, the like Selvage handmade

806
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 4: jeans because they last me a really long time.

807
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: And maybe I don't need them as much now.

808
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: But when I was like touring and that was like

809
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 4: a main job, and I was doing that eight months

810
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: out of the year, probably more like ten, I mean,

811
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: I bought jeans and I would wear I had two

812
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: pairs of them, and I mean they lasted me almost

813
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: ten years.

814
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 5: You know, that's very much.

815
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: And I didn't have other jeans. That was it, you know,

816
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: like that was what I wore, and I just rotated

817
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 4: those out. And you know, I have like shorts and

818
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 4: all those kinds of things to like break it up.

819
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 4: But I just I'm I'm just like very simple in

820
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: those tastes, you know.

821
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,959
Speaker 5: And then I have a T shirt problem for sure.

822
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 5: Oh you have a tea? Do you have a zillion

823
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 5: T shirts?

824
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 4: I do, but I've gotten better at like buying fewer

825
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: of them, and any time I want to buy one,

826
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: I do have to go through what I have and

827
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: make sure that there are things I'm not wearing and

828
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: I get rid of them as opposed to just consuming

829
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: and buying more and more, you know, because.

830
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 5: I mean it's scary with it. It is. It is

831
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: you never know you might want to wear it again.

832
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 5: I might.

833
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: I know this is horder mentality, Yeah, it is, it is.

834
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: I've I've come to some new terms with my horder mentality.

835
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: The small apartment really helps, you know. I'm very grateful

836
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: to this tiny apartment because it's kept me very minimal

837
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: with my things, and I've had to get I've and

838
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: what I was the most afraid of Bridger is the

839
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: thing you're talking about.

840
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: It's like, well, what if I want to wear it again?

841
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 4: But then I realized the reality was I was trying

842
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: to like build the inventory for a museum of my

843
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: own life. And I got really honest with myself that

844
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 4: I was like, I am never gonna.

845
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 5: Wear this shirt again, Like I know that for sure.

846
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: And then I really got rid of a bunch of

847
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 4: stuff that I really liked but never wore.

848
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: I never ever ever wore it.

849
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 4: And now I know that the things that I have

850
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 4: I really like, you know, because.

851
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: You can count on them, you can take it out

852
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: of the closet and you'll want to wear it.

853
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 5: And I'll want to wear it.

854
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 4: And if I can't wear it, I'm keeping it because

855
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: it was my mom's or you know, this is like

856
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: you know a band that I really like that I

857
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 4: cannot replace this and name the band uh letigra. Oh

858
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: of course that's a great T shirt. It's a great

859
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 4: T shirt. I don't think I can wear it anymore.

860
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, too, I'm too big for it.

861
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to that point when you're like when

862
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 3: a T shirt becomes precious and you're like, oh God,

863
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: something happens to this thing.

864
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: Then it's just gone.

865
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 4: But that number of shirts is like five as opposed

866
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 4: to like fifty before that, I had like rolled up

867
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: and like in boxes that never saw the light of day.

868
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 4: You know, so you're a hoard or two. Yeah, you

869
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 4: have a horder. Okay, it's nice to be seen. It's

870
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 4: nice to be here with you, fellow T shirt.

871
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 3: I mean you and I are on the exact same

872
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 3: page with T shirts. I think my oldest T shirt

873
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 3: it is probably from two thousand and five. Yeah, it's like,

874
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's almost ready for college totally, and I

875
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: still love it. Yeah, but it's not like becoming thin.

876
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is going to fall apart at something.

877
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

878
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 4: Well, my oldest T shirt that is mine that wasn't

879
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: given to My oldest T shirt is my mom's Jackson

880
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 4: brown shirt from like nineteen seventy seven.

881
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's a collector's Yeah it is.

882
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: It's actually the Jackson brown shirt that Neil Young wore

883
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 4: a lot. It's actually more known as a Neil Young

884
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 4: shirt than it is a Jackson brown shirt. And I

885
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 4: used to be able to fit into it, which is

886
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: like I'm just so tiny before, but I can't anymore.

887
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 5: But it's a very important shirt to me. But the

888
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 5: oldest shirt that I have that was actually mine, I

889
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 5: is from nineteen ninety one.

890
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: Whoa wait, you've owned it since I have owned it.

891
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 5: I remember when I bought it. I had what is

892
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 5: the shirt?

893
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: It is an mc esher all over print shirt that

894
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: I got from the science store, the Nature store at

895
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: Balden Village Mall in Canton, Ohio. And I had a

896
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: black version, which is the one I still have with

897
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: white printing, and then I had a white version with

898
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 4: black ink on it. And I had both up until

899
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 4: very recently, and I do not know what happened to

900
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 4: the white one. I think it donated by someone else.

901
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 4: It is sad, but I'm glad I have the other one.

902
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 4: And I was the it did and I've since outgrown it.

903
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: But that's how it's I bought it when I was nine,

904
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: and I wore it at nine and it was like

905
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: longer than my shorts, you know, because it was the nineties.

906
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 4: And then the nineties came back, so I was wearing

907
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: it again and people really liked it. And then I

908
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: was like, maybe I don't want to wash this all

909
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 4: the time because I kind of want to. I like

910
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 4: the shirt. I would love to keep it. And now

911
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: it's like too small. It's a nineteen ninety one large,

912
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 4: which I thought.

913
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 3: Which was like a two thousand and nine, like uh

914
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: small's yeah, the sizing of T shirts.

915
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 5: Is it's gone all.

916
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: Like two thousand, two thousand, you could not buy a

917
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 4: small sized shirt.

918
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 5: You can only buy large and extra large. That was it.

919
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: Two thousand as a small person was hell? I bet, yeah,

920
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean I.

921
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 4: Remember did not shirts and I just like I could

922
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: not wear I couldn't wear them.

923
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 5: I would try to shrink them.

924
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I could go to stores two sizes.

925
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: Even a medium in two thousand was like a large

926
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: or extra large now. And as a person who barely

927
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: fits into a small shirt, I mean, the world was

928
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: just a never ending nightmare for me.

929
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 5: Yeah.

930
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: I bet it's just yeah, the sizing, and you know,

931
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: to bring it back to American apparel, that was what

932
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 4: was revolutionary.

933
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 5: About that company.

934
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 4: To me, that company has some real problems, huge problems,

935
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 4: but they did some good things. But they did bring

936
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: back a full size, yes.

937
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 5: To four X.

938
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: You know, I was like, oh, thank you and everything

939
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: in between. You could actually get a shirt that fit you.

940
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 4: And then there were the terrible you know, early two

941
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: thousands where everybody was wearing like way too small of shirts.

942
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Oh right, that's another Just like a shirt that fits

943
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 3: the body. That's all I'm asking for.

944
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 5: God, well, I hope that were on so many bodies.

945
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 5: Let's get a shirt for each of them.

946
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now I do feel like we're kind of

947
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: spacksliding into every shirt is huge.

948
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we are. For sure.

949
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 3: I'm drowning in shirts, which is again why it's great

950
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: that I have kind of a back catalog of things

951
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 3: from I can't believe I came in here saying I

952
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 3: had the oldest T shirt from two thousand and five,

953
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: thinking that was going to be impressive, and.

954
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: Then you tell me nineteen ninety one. Yeah, I mean,

955
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 5: I definitely.

956
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: I still I've I have some shirts from high school still.

957
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: It's like crazy the stuff that I have, and just

958
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 4: now I've grown out of it.

959
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 5: But I've been able to wear it since high school

960
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 5: like I have.

961
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: Like I really loved cowboy shirts in high school and

962
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: this was like the people were not totally wearing those

963
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: yet and I would wear just like with a wagon

964
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: wheel on my shoulders.

965
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 5: And I still have it and I just now recently

966
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 5: grew out of it.

967
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: Oh well, look, we live near by each other every

968
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: day like donating dooinating T shirts. Let me know first,

969
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: I will, I will the next time I do it.

970
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: We should just start swapping clothes.

971
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, dou Wardrobes, I just rob your whole, just rob

972
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 4: my house.

973
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: You'll never even notice they're missing. That's right.

974
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: Well, I'm excited about this tight I shirt.

975
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 5: If it doesn't fit, I'll get you another size.

976
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm going I'm gonna become very picky about shirt sizes

977
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: with please do I've got my receipt, I will come

978
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 3: to you. This is so exciting. And let's name the

979
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: company that's making these shirts again. It's called Everybody World. Okay,

980
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: it seems like they're doing hopefully hopefully everything's above board

981
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: and Everybody World, I.

982
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 4: Think so it seems like it. It took a while

983
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 4: to get the shirts, so I feel like they're doing

984
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: everything right right, not super efficient. Then they're probably treating

985
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: their employees well, you know.

986
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 5: What I mean.

987
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's time to play a game. Okay,

988
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 3: let's do it. Do you want to play a game

989
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 3: called Gift Master or Gift or a Curse? Oh, let's

990
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 3: do a Gift or a Curse. Okay, I need a

991
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: number between one and ten six. Okay, I have to

992
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: do some light calculating to get our game pieces. Great,

993
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: right now, you can recommend something. You can spread a

994
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: rumor or tell a secret, whatever you want.

995
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 5: I'll be right back. Okay, great, I'll do I'll do

996
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 5: a recommendation.

997
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 4: Because this has been coming up for me, even just today,

998
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 4: but I've been thinking about how I wanted to start

999
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: reading this book again given all of the things that

1000
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 4: are going on in the world and consistently going on

1001
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 4: in the world. But I recently, a couple months ago,

1002
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 4: read All About Love by Belle Hooks, and I highly

1003
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: recommend it, And if you haven't read it, there's no

1004
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: better time than now. But it's essentially just a like

1005
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 4: long meditation on unconditional love and how to practice that

1006
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: in you know, a a world that does not want that,

1007
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: and in a in a very realistic and you know,

1008
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: deeply spiritual way that is within the society that we

1009
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 4: actually live in, not like just some.

1010
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 5: Oh like just be positive kind of it's like.

1011
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 4: Not ignoring, in fact, exposing all of the negative things

1012
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 4: in the systems that oppress all of us in our

1013
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 4: various ways, and the fact that love is actually the

1014
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: only way that we can disarm those systems.

1015
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 5: So I really enjoy that recommendation. I like it.

1016
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: I love us just a solid, full throated recommendation.

1017
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 4: Just full throated recommendation, Bell Hooks All About Love.

1018
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: There you go, everybody, go read it. I'm gonna download

1019
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: and enjoy. And now we're gonna play Gift or a Curse. Right,

1020
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 3: this is how the game works. I'm gonna name three

1021
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: things you're gonna tell me if there are a gift

1022
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: to a curse and why there are correct answers, So

1023
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: each one separately, each one separate. There's a strong chance

1024
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: you'll lose, there's a small chance you'll win. There's always

1025
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: in between. Let's just see how you.

1026
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 5: Do greats all how you play that? Okay, number.

1027
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: Number one, This is a These are actually all listeners suggestions,

1028
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 3: which is always exciting.

1029
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 5: Marla has suggested gift or a curse? Sleeping bags.

1030
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: Oh, and I need to defend my answer as well.

1031
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, okay, sleeping bags. I say sleeping.

1032
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 4: Bags are a curse because you can never quite get

1033
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 4: comfortable in them. The only way I've found myself to

1034
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: be comfortable in a sleeping bag is by completely unzipping

1035
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 4: it and turning it into a blanket, so I feel

1036
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: like it's a blanket in disguise.

1037
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 5: So I say it's a curse.

1038
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 3: Oh, River, to start the game on such a bad note.

1039
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 5: Oh, what a shame.

1040
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: Oh, sleeping bags gifts absolutely look to wake up covered

1041
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: in sweat in a cocoon.

1042
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 5: What a thrill? Sweat?

1043
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: Name another sleeping apparatus that allows you to travel down

1044
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: a staircase.

1045
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 4: I mean, great point, Yeah, it is the toboggan of

1046
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 4: the stairs.

1047
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 3: The toboccan of the stairs. Thank you, you're already coming

1048
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: around on this.

1049
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 5: I am immediately to start.

1050
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: From such an incorrect place and then be willing come around. Yeah,

1051
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: it's very nice to see this sort of behavior.

1052
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 5: Uh.

1053
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: No, sleeping bags a gift you can get, you know,

1054
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: your favorite cartoon printed on them. You can have a

1055
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: nice sleek you know, minimal one. Yeah, we're obviously taking the.

1056
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: Can extract you all the time, which is great because

1057
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 4: it keeps you awake.

1058
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 5: And you don't want to sleep in a sleeping bag.

1059
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no, you want to just be

1060
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: kind of uncomfortable and your.

1061
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 5: Slightly dry skin on the interior.

1062
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: They double as a bag should you need to like

1063
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 3: throw things in them. I see no problem with a

1064
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: sleeping bag. I love to camp. I'm not taking a

1065
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: blanket camping. I mean anyone who takes a blanket camp.

1066
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 4: I mean you are if you really look at the

1067
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: sleeping bag in its structure.

1068
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: Okay, you're not gonna win this this round of the game,

1069
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 3: no matter what you do.

1070
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 5: Okay, so you didn't get that point, that's okay, Okay, great,

1071
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 5: that's all right, that's okay.

1072
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: Don't feel too down. Yet here's the next one. This

1073
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: is from Gillian. Julian has suggested gift to a curse.

1074
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: Ice cream sandwich is where the cookie part is hard.

1075
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: This one's tough for me, and I'll tell you why

1076
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: after I give an answer. I'm going to go with

1077
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: gift because it is a curse when the cookie part

1078
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 4: is soft. Because I personally dislike ice cream sandwiches fully

1079
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: completely with my entire soul.

1080
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 5: What I dislike hate them across the board across.

1081
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't hate the concept of two

1082
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 4: things with ice cream in between it, because I will

1083
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 4: eat like a cookie ice cream sandwich where it is

1084
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: an actual cookie, like an it's it or something like that.

1085
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: Delicious.

1086
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: But when you know the the the image that is

1087
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 4: evoked when you say ice cream sandwich is the hyper

1088
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 4: white vanilla ice cream with the weird dark brown wafer

1089
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 4: you know, bun if you will.

1090
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 5: I dislike those so deeply. I cannot stand them.

1091
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 4: They're terrible and I don't like them, and I don't

1092
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 4: understand how other people do. But I also respect other

1093
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 4: people's like scent, but I can't stand them. I hate

1094
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 4: them so much.

1095
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: So, just to be clear, you're saying the ones with

1096
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 3: the hard outside are a gift.

1097
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

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00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 2: And you're wrong.

1099
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 5: I'm wrong. I know, I knew.

1100
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: Can ice cream all over your hands? You can't bite

1101
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 3: into that. The texture doesn't work. It doesn't make any sense, sure,

1102
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: but it doesn'txtually.

1103
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 5: It's a bad idea. The big my biggest.

1104
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: Dislike of the ice cream sandwich, which is that it

1105
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 4: gets stuck to the roof of your mouth and I don't.

1106
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: That's not an experience of food that I ever want.

1107
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 4: I never kind of like a gluey dome, like a

1108
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 4: gluey like like an asphalt on the top of my mouth.

1109
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 5: I don't. It's never anything that I want.

1110
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 3: Well, then maybe the I mean maybe the ice cream

1111
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 3: sandwich in general is a bad idea, but I think

1112
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: I need to be able to bite all the way

1113
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: through knowing sure, I see, you know it's not gonna squish.

1114
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not going to go to the sides. You're right.

1115
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 3: And when it goes to the sides, it's no longer

1116
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: a sandwich. It's just my hands are have ice cream up. Yeah,

1117
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:54,479
Speaker 3: it's a mistake and I'm eating kind of wet cookie. Yeah, sure, curse, Okay, river.

1118
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: This is not looking good. Let's give it one more shot.

1119
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 3: This is from Matt. Matt has suggested this is interesting

1120
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: gift or a curse. The blueeshell in Mario Kart.

1121
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 5: Are you familiar?

1122
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 4: I'm familiar with Mario Kart. I don't know what the

1123
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 4: blue sheell is. I can explain what the blue shell

1124
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 4: is before you give your answer. The blue shell. You know,

1125
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: you throw things at each other in Mario Kart. The

1126
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 4: blueeshell is one that you throw out. Mario or Princess

1127
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: Peach or who have you will throw out the blue

1128
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 4: shell and it will track down first place in the

1129
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 4: race and hit them no matter what. Oh right, Yeah,

1130
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like like it's usually given to

1131
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: the last person in the race as kind of a

1132
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 4: little help. Sure, I think it's a gift because who

1133
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: doesn't want to take down first place?

1134
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 5: Everybody?

1135
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 4: Everybody wants to knock first place down a pig. And

1136
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: also I believe in socialism, So that's my argument, that's

1137
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 4: a gift one step closer to socialism.

1138
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 5: You're right, you got one, correct. I think that I

1139
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 5: think it's a gift.

1140
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: Look, it's I think a lot of people look at

1141
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: them as kind of a cheat or you know, kind

1142
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: of a cheap way of playing. I love the idea

1143
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: of ruining, you know, number one's big opportunity. I love

1144
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: something that levels the playing field for everybody. Yeah, it

1145
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: looks cool. It's a little blue turtle shells spikes on it.

1146
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 3: I mean, who can deny it?

1147
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 5: Who can deny that?

1148
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 3: I see no nothing wrong with the blue shell and

1149
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: Mario Kart, and anyone that does.

1150
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 5: Is a sore loser.

1151
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: They were probably in first They're one of these people

1152
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 4: who always has to be first. Yeah, they can't operate

1153
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 4: outside of the world of first place.

1154
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 5: And you can't.

1155
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 3: You can't live in reality like that. You've got to

1156
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: be able to occasionally get hit by a blue shop.

1157
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 5: I agree with you one hundred.

1158
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: I love that we're on the same page here because

1159
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: you did do a terrible job with Monald job terrible,

1160
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: But I think the listener is thrilled for you. I'm

1161
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: thrilled for you. And you got thirty three percent.

1162
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 5: Okay, great, I mean that's not one out of three

1163
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 5: eight bad as me ban um.

1164
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: Okay, we're moving into I said no emails. This is

1165
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 3: the part of the podcast where people write into I

1166
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: said no gifts at gmail dot com. Every one of

1167
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: them's got some problem that they've decided to rope me

1168
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: and the guests into, and then we end up solving

1169
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 3: it perfectly. That's all you need to know. Would you

1170
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 3: answer a question with me?

1171
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1172
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: All right, Let's see here. Let me get into the dock.

1173
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 3: We've always got to get into the dock.

1174
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 2: To the dock.

1175
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: Okay, we're into the dog Scott. Okay, this says Hello

1176
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: Bridger and gorgeous, gorgeous guest, which is nice. They knew,

1177
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 3: they obviously knew you were coming on the show.

1178
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: Let's see.

1179
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: This says I'm in a bit of a predicament and

1180
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 3: I hope you can help. Well, we definitely can.

1181
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 5: Uh.

1182
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: My best friend since childhood and one of my best

1183
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: college girlfriends are getting married on the same day. My

1184
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: childhood friend and I have only gotten closer and I

1185
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: can't imagine my life without her friend. Also, our families

1186
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 3: are extremely close and are invited to her wedding as well. Okay,

1187
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 3: so we've got that one wedding, the family and her

1188
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: invited to the best friend from childhood.

1189
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 5: Okay.

1190
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 3: Then my college friend and I live in the same

1191
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: city and hang out often. We used to be roommates

1192
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 3: and would and I would consider us extremely close. Okay,

1193
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: the weddings are taking place about four hours apart, so

1194
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: there is no way to try to attend both. I

1195
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: will be going to both bachelorette parties and any showers, etc.

1196
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 5: Throne.

1197
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: This person's very committed to the idea whole pridding marriage. Yeah, Okay,

1198
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: I have already committed to going. Okay, I've already committed

1199
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: to going to the childhood friend's wedding. I am hoping

1200
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: you can come up with some sort of gift or

1201
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: experience I can give to my college girlfriend to make

1202
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: up for the fact that I won't be in attendance

1203
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 3: at her wedding. We have already discussed that I won't

1204
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 3: be there and and she.

1205
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 5: Is very upset.

1206
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: Okay, the weddings are later this summer, so please let

1207
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: me know if you have any ideas on how I

1208
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: can make this day time is special for both people,

1209
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,760
Speaker 3: even if I can't go to both celebrations. Thanks in advance,

1210
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: yours and just simply H. Obviously H has withheld the

1211
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: name because there's a lot of drama in ages.

1212
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 5: Give that away immediately.

1213
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 4: It's a very eric of specific circumstance.

1214
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so what do we do here? H has I

1215
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: think largely to blame for all of this.

1216
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, they should just not go to anything.

1217
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: And my friends, the simple thing is to just move

1218
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: to the woods, move to.

1219
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 4: The deserts, and go away from the world.

1220
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 5: Go live on Walden Pond, do your thing.

1221
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: H You.

1222
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I really I'm gonna point the finger here

1223
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 3: at you because you obviously, if both of these people

1224
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 3: are so obsessed with you, you've obviously done something a

1225
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: little creepy and kind of forcing your way into their lives.

1226
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: That they're just obsessed with you. Sounds like more so

1227
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: than even the person they're marrying.

1228
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like a Harry Bradshaw situation. Yeah, this is

1229
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 4: a total city but boy o boy.

1230
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't and this other person that's upset

1231
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 3: or whatever seems deeply irrational.

1232
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, she's got something she needs to work through.

1233
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 5: But what do we give her?

1234
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: And the first thought, while we're sitting here, I'm thinking,

1235
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: why not send some sort of video message that she

1236
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: has to play at the wedding, either during the ceremony,

1237
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: during the reception at some point a projector Yeah, I

1238
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: would say a ten to fifteen minute message of you

1239
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: addressing more.

1240
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: I think more like twenty and I would say I

1241
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 4: need a thirty minute end it with the dance sequence

1242
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 4: from Dirty Dancing.

1243
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 5: Make everybody watch that now?

1244
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 3: Are you saying the Dirty Dancing dance sequence? The video

1245
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: transitions to reality and then this person has appeared to dance.

1246
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: No, no, it just cuts to Dirty Dancing and it's

1247
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 4: the scene from Dirty Dancing.

1248
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a VHS tape that got

1249
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 3: taped over correct, So it kind of like fuzzes over

1250
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, this person recorded Dirty Dancing on TBS.

1251
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think maybe twenty to thirty minutes right in pilot.

1252
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, which will be you're looking for a Yeah, of

1253
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: course you're looking for You're going to have a captive

1254
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: audience that the wedding goers will be eager to watch

1255
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: a video of someone they don't know.

1256
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 5: Some of them, none of them know except for the bride.

1257
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the bride, it's going to be over the moon.

1258
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: Her big day is now also your big day.

1259
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 5: It's your pilot presentation.

1260
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 4: So it's become what a what a what a what

1261
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 4: a gift for everybody to get to watch your pilot,

1262
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, good lord, they thought they were

1263
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 4: just gonna sit at a wedding.

1264
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 5: Now they get to watch a.

1265
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 3: Pilot about weddings as people want them to be at

1266
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: least an extra half hour long, extra half hour.

1267
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 5: Everyone's just like, I wish that had been just another

1268
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 5: half hour.

1269
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 4: Just one more half hour, and I would have been great.

1270
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 4: And this is played during this ceremony. Also, I just

1271
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 4: want to say to be clear that this is not

1272
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 4: played during the reception.

1273
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 5: No captive.

1274
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so that's almost like a movie tailor.

1275
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly leading up to the big ceremony.

1276
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you're on the little roller coaster and

1277
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 4: then the popcorn pops and everybody goes and then, oh.

1278
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: I love that roller coaster. A moment, the roller coaster

1279
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:34,959
Speaker 3: before the movies.

1280
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: I love when they redid it and they kept that moment.

1281
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I'm old enough to remember this.

1282
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 5: That moment's incredible.

1283
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: I mean one incredible moment, like riding through the giant

1284
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: soda copper what have you?

1285
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 5: Oh, what a thrill to be at.

1286
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 4: The thrill, What a thrill to be at the movies

1287
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 4: and then throw your trash away in the receptacle at

1288
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: the end age.

1289
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 3: Think about doing that for your college friend's wedding. I

1290
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 3: think that that's probably the one thing other than you

1291
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: missing from the wedding is your pilot present.

1292
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 5: Take pilot present.

1293
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then maybe you'll go to a series and

1294
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: the pilot gets picked up and suddenly everybody's watching your

1295
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: TV show.

1296
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 5: You're a star. Your friend's wedding has been perfected by

1297
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 5: your TV show.

1298
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: You're a video message and Emmy and everybody was there

1299
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: when you presented it.

1300
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: Suddenly you're the president of Hollywood. You're a mogul. And

1301
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: it all started just because you couldn't decide between two weddings.

1302
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 5: Go to a wedding.

1303
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an amazing everybody fath what a twist of faith.

1304
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 4: It's almost like dirty dancing age. You're so lucky you

1305
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 4: wrote into the podcast when you did. Your friend should

1306
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 4: also probably write me a thank you note.

1307
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 5: I'll take one. Two.

1308
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we will send you our mailing addresses

1309
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: off podcast. Feel send us the gift basket, whatever it

1310
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 3: takes to really show your gratitude.

1311
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 4: And then I got the sides, so h I will

1312
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 4: be reading for that part. I think you're right I

1313
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: think I'm perfect for it. So I just want to

1314
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 4: spend a little time with it and really like feel

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Speaker 4: them a little bit, you understand, Ah, So you know

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Speaker 4: I'll be sending you that tape soon.

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Speaker 3: This is the untitled River Butcher pilot. We've got the

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Speaker 3: wheels are on. H is so happy, everyone's happy. This

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Speaker 3: podcast does so many good things for people.

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Speaker 5: He really does. And you know, and no one can complain. Nobody.

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Speaker 3: I can't hear a single complain about this. I don't

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Speaker 3: have the emotional wherewithal.

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Speaker 5: Everyone's satisfied. There's no complaints.

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Speaker 2: River.

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Speaker 3: We answered the question perfectly. I now have a beautiful

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Speaker 3: tied ye t shirt YEA. Not just something that was

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Speaker 3: purchased a hot topic. Nope, this thing is from your

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Speaker 3: own hands, hand made from my own hands. What an

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Speaker 3: incredible gift, my own house.

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Speaker 5: What a gift.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. I've had a wonderful I

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Speaker 3: hope you like it, U listener. This is, of course,

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Speaker 3: traditionally where we end the podcast and then you stop

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Speaker 3: listening to the audio. You go do something, maybe you

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01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: think about me non stop. You tell everybody that you've

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Speaker 3: finally fallen in love. It's with Bridger and you just

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Speaker 3: keep spreading the word and have it, and then eventually

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Speaker 3: we do meet. We cross paths at the grocery outlet

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Speaker 3: and we both reach for the discount mug and that's

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Speaker 3: where our love story begins. But until then, you've got

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Speaker 3: to stop listening to the podcast. I'm begging you stop

1342
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 3: listening to this episode. Maybe rewind, I don't know, do

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Speaker 3: whatever you need to do. Goodbye. I said, No Gifts

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Speaker 3: is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear

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Speaker 3: friend Analise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by John Bradley.

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Speaker 3: The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle

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Speaker 3: worker Amy Man. Follow the show on Instagram at I

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Speaker 3: said no Gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses.

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Speaker 3: That's where you get to see pictures of all these

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Speaker 3: gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see

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Speaker 3: pictures of the gifts?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: Make sure to listen, follow, and most important, they leave

1354
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Speaker 3: a heartfelt review on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 3: you get your podcasts, and don't forget. You can listen

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Speaker 3: to new episodes one week early on Amazon Music or

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Speaker 3: early and ad free by subscribing to Wondery Plus.

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Speaker 5: In the Wondery app.

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Speaker 2: The line why did you hear fun?

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Speaker 1: A man myself perfectly clear?

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Speaker 2: But you're a guest to me. You gotta come to

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Speaker 2: me empty, And I said, no guests.

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Speaker 1: Your presences presents enough, and I'm already too much stuff.

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Speaker 2: So how do you to obey me?