1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Papa's Perspective, part of the 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Giants Huddle Podcast, brought to you by Bob's Discount Furniture. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: So the Giants are. 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Playing the Bills in Buffalo, and it got me to 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: thinking about some great matchups against the Bills over the years, 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: and we got a mod Bradshaw joining us because I 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: want to go back to two thousand and seven, a mod. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: You guys are coming off the loss against Washington. You 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: know you got to pay the play the Patriots the 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: last game of the regular season, so you really need 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: to win this game against. 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills. 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: That might have been one of the craziest weather days 14 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. 15 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: In my life. Oh for me too. 16 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 3: I mean I went out to the game, I had 17 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: a cut off shirt on and it ended up snowing, 18 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: ended up sleeping, it ended up raining, you know, right 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: after that, and it was you know, I mean it 20 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: just came out of nowhere. 21 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the game time temperature is listed as 22 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: fifty two degrees and at one point it was fifty 23 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: two degrees and then it starts raining. Sideways, it's snowing. 24 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: It's like pure Buffalo. Well, you guys are down fourteen 25 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: to nothing early in the football game, but you get 26 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: the run game going. Just talk about that ability to 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: impose your will upon the Bills that afternoon as a team. 28 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: Uh you know what I mean, that was the game 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 3: that that started my career. That was a game that 30 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: I had a chance and just wanted to take advantage 31 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: of every chance I had. Derek Ward went down and 32 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: I was able to come in and back up Brandon Jacobs, 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, I mean all I had to 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: do was just run the ball. These guys, the guys 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: up front did a great job of protecting Eli and 36 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: blocking up front on the run, and they opened up 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: a huge run for me in that game. And and 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: Brandon also had a great game. I think we both 39 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: ended with like fifty each. So you know, it was 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: a it was a great running game for us, and 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: and we we came in with a wheel to run. 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, Brandon scores a touchdown on the second quarter, 43 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: makes it fourteen seven. Then he has that big forty 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: three yard touchdown run times gets the field goal. So 45 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: you go into the locker room actually up in the game, 46 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: what was sort of the attitude of the team in 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: the locker room and what was the messaging from coach Kaughlin. 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 3: Uh, you know what I mean, just to keep pushing. 49 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: Like you said, the weather was changing. Uh, you know, 50 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: the game was up and down, and uh, you know, 51 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: we just had to keep pushing. And that was always 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: a halftime speech for coach Gonflins to keep going and 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: keep fighting. And you know, we were a scrappy team 54 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: and at that moment, we you know, we felt like 55 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: we were in a great position going into halftime. 56 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: Did you guys. 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, from the outside, fans are kind of thinking, man, 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: they better win this game because they got the Patriots 59 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: who were undefeated the next week and they might not 60 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. You know, you win this game, you 61 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: make the plays. Was that a feeling going into the 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: game during the game, or were you guys just playing. 63 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: No one game at a time. That's that's where we 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: were coached. That's what we stressed about. And uh, you know, 65 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: we knew we had to you know, we had to 66 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: beat the Bills that game to work and to have 67 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: to even have to worry about, you know, the Patriots 68 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: or or the rest of the season. So we just 69 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: went one game at a time, and the Bills were 70 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: on our radar and we had to win that game, 71 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 3: and that's what we did. 72 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: We're going to get to the we'll get to the 73 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: touchdown run in a second, because that's one of the 74 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: iconic plays from the two thousand and seven season. But 75 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: what's forgotten is, you know, the Bills take the lead 76 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: and Marshawn Lynch scores a touchdown and they have the lead, 77 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: and it's early in the fourth quarter. It's the first 78 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: minute of the fourth quarter. So and Kavika Mitchell, who 79 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: really turned out to be a fantastic player for you 80 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: guys that year. You know, Ap was unbelievable, but you 81 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: needed that other guy. And Kavika Mitchell gets the pick 82 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: six to put you guys up. What was it like 83 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: on the sideline as that happens, and now you guys 84 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: feeling like, all right, let's go just grab this thing 85 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: and lock it up. 86 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's what it was. 87 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: I mean, once Kabika did that, man, Uh, you know, 88 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: we knew we had the game in our hands. Uh, 89 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: you know, it was only on us to to prove 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: prove what we had and uh, you know, and that 91 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: just solidified it. We knew our if our defense came 92 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: to play, we knew our offense was was going to 93 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: back him up and vice versa. So you know, once 94 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: that happened, we knew we were in a great situation. 95 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of like, you know, he's a little one. 96 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: He's one of the underrated guys from that Super Bowl team. 97 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: Obviously there's like so many great names, but he really 98 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: provided a spark for you guys. What what was he 99 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: like as a teammate and what were some of the 100 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: intangibles that he brought to the table. 101 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: You know what. 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: You know, he was a he was a great guy 103 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: off the field. We were really great friends off the field. 104 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 3: We hung out a lot. You know, He's he's just 105 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 3: a very loving guy, you know, and I still talk 106 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: to him to this day. He's you know, he still 107 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: checks in on me. I still check in on him 108 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: every day or every other day, and and uh, you know, 109 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 3: he's a loving guy. And that's just the way our 110 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: team was. We loved each other. We played for each other, 111 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: and you know that's how we went all. 112 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Right, So you have the lead, but you know it's 113 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: only a three point lead. We're in the fourth quarter late, 114 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: you guys need to kind of finish this game off, right, 115 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: and you know, Giants fans are sitting there and they're 116 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: sweating it out. The defense gets a three and out, 117 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: force a punt, and you guys are starting at your 118 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: own twelve yard line. Take me through the eighty eight 119 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run. You know what the call was. You 120 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: guys were grinding them because, as you mentioned, Brandon was 121 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: having a huge game. You were having a big game 122 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: up to that point before the eighty eight yard run. 123 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: But tell me what the play was, the design of 124 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: the play and what the rookie out of Marshall was seeing. 125 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: You know what, they caught a power and you know 126 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 3: one of my favorite plays ever just growing up, coming 127 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: up as a kid, was power. And you know what, 128 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: I got to the huddle. I told the guys, you know, 129 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: if you guys blocked this up, I'm going to score. 130 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: You know, I had a lot of confidence, not not 131 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: saying that you know that it was me, but just 132 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: knowing that what our team was about and if our 133 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: guys could block it up, that you know, something could 134 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: happen good. And you know, I just had that feeling 135 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: it going into the huddle and I told told my 136 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: line if they blocked it up, I was going to score, 137 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: and you know, that's that's a feeling I had, and 138 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 3: that was that's what was doing at that moment. 139 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: So as you're seeing it blocked up and now you're 140 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: breaking through, were you almost surprised at how you broke through? 141 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: And then then there was nothing there except green grass 142 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: or green turf. 143 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, when you get a power play, you know, the 144 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: cutbacks always you know, more open uh, more open grass, 145 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 3: you know, back back, backside, So uh, everybody flowed to 146 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: the right, which we ran a power right. Everybody flowed 147 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: over and I was able to cut it back. You know, 148 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 3: you don't usually cut a power play, you know and 149 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: go a gap, but I was able to find it 150 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: and cut it back and make a person miss and 151 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: just try to use my speed that I that I 152 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 3: once had. 153 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: So now you're off to the races. It's a long 154 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: way to go because I mean you're taking the hand off, 155 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, several yards behind the line of scrimmage, so 156 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: you're running over ninety yards. Was there this fear like 157 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 1: I better not get caught. 158 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: I think it was, But I was so young at 159 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: that moment and so fast, I feel like that, Yeah, 160 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that at the moment, I do. Look, 161 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: I did look back early in my career and it 162 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: slowed me down, so I could see myself doing that 163 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: a few times. But I guess that was in my 164 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: head not to get caught. But yeah, I was. I 165 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: was just a young, young, young cat running man and 166 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: from my career, I guess to make my career to 167 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: start my career, and that was what done it. 168 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: So you get through, you're going, do you remember the 169 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: rest of the run or do you just kind of 170 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: fast forward to crossing the goal line and your teammates 171 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: mobbing you. 172 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 173 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: No, all I can remember was, you know, Richie coming 174 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: to come and celebrate with me. He was a pulling 175 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: guard at that moment. And uh, you know, now all 176 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: the other guys come in Boston, those guys and and 177 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: and uh Dave. Yeah, those guys just coming to celebrate. 178 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: That's the that's the best part of it. And you're 179 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: getting to celebrate and and and with your teammates and 180 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: and enjoying that. 181 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: And then Corey seals the game with another pick six 182 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: and you guys win it, and now you know you're 183 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: going to the playoffs. You're a rookie in the National 184 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: Football League. You get the tenth win of the season, 185 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: you've clinched. It was it as big a dream come 186 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: true for you to possibly have as a seventh round pick, 187 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: being a rookie, A lot of people doubted you to 188 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: deliver this touchdown and help your teammates lock up the playoffs. 189 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: Spot. 190 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was, like I say, a career started 191 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: for me. 192 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: It was. 193 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a dream come true just to have 194 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: that opportunity, to opportunity to uh, to prove myself, you know, 195 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: and just to get that opportunity, you know, after Derek 196 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: war went down, as it was a dream come true. 197 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: And to be able to go, you know, to the 198 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: playoffs my rookie year, to be able to score test down, 199 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: but to win the Super Bowl or to go to 200 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: the Super Bowls, it was all the dream. 201 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 202 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Not only did you get to go to the Super Bowl, 203 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: you got to win the Super Bowl and you made 204 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: a lot of key plays in that and all the 205 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: other games leading. 206 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: Up to it. 207 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: A mod we appreciate a couple of minutes reminiscing about 208 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: the Giants playing in Buffalo and obviously one of the 209 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: great moments in Giant's history, the eighty eight yard touchdown 210 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: run by number forty four. The rookie has taken the 211 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: Giants to the postseason. Thanks for joining us, my man 212 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: lead to see. 213 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 214 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: That's my Bradshaw joining us on this edition of Popper's Perspective, 215 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: part of the Giants Metal Podcast, brought to you by 216 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Bob's Discount Furniture. All Right, it was good talking with 217 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Ama Bradshaw about his thrilling run as a rookie in Buffalo. 218 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Now we welcome in the MVP of Super Bowl twenty five. 219 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Otis Sanderson joined us to talk a little bit more 220 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: about the Buffalo Bills. And obviously you won the MVP 221 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: that day you run for over one hundred yards. Did 222 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: you feel going into the game that you had a 223 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: little score to settle with them considering they had beaten 224 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: you a giant stadium back in December. 225 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 4: Not only that, Bob, the fact is they said an 226 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 4: old man like me and a quarterback that never played 227 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 4: could beat them. They said that about me and Hosteler, 228 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: So we had a little little chip on our shoulders. 229 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: The game plan, obviously, going in you want to keep 230 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: the ball away from their offense because it's a high 231 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: powered offense, so you need the run game. You need 232 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: to convert on third downs. You know, as a as 233 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: a veteran who had been through the Wars, I'm guessing 234 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: that you embraced what the coaching staff wanted to do. 235 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: Well. 236 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: What was unique about what you just said is on 237 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: Saturday night, after we had our meeting, Parcels and late 238 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 4: Ron at Heart set me down in the room together 239 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 4: they say, Okay, this is a game plan. We want 240 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 4: to run the football, we want control. Clocks were looking 241 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 4: and give it to you and part sails, Yeah, we're 242 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 4: gonna give it to you a lot, you know. So 243 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 4: Rum was gonna break it down and say maybe give 244 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: it to you twenty times. You know, Bill just hut 245 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 4: them in as he does and said, it'll give it 246 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: to you a lot. So I knew what they were 247 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: going to be looking for as far as what they 248 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 4: wanted out of me, and his concern was all, you're 249 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: going to be able to do it? 250 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: We can? We can? We run you twenty twenty five times. 251 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 4: I said, Bill, I've been waiting on this for a 252 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: long time, So whatever you got to throw at me, 253 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: I'm ready for it. 254 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: And you had you had a really deep room. Even 255 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: though Hampton was hurt at that point, and he was 256 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: a rookie, but you still had a really deep room 257 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: and everybody kind of played a role because you wound 258 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: up having I think what twenty one carries in the game. 259 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: You had one catch, so everybody got involved a little 260 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: bit to try to wear them down, you. 261 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 4: Know, that's what they was. The plan was to wear 262 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 4: them down. So they used me a lot inside. If 263 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 4: you look at most of the game inside runs, well 264 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: most of the where I stayed at, and then Meggot 265 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 4: came in. It took us outside just kind of stretched, 266 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 4: you know, the defense and kind of get them hard. 267 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 4: So we had a pretty good system going on. 268 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: You know, the Giants have a great history of amazing 269 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: plays in the Super Bowl, whether it's David Tyree or 270 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: obviously the Mario Manningham catch in Super Bowl forty six. 271 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: You know, one of the ones I think that's gotten 272 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: lost in history a little bit is mark Ingram's third 273 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 1: down catch, run, drag carry, lunge first down, which was 274 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: a key play in that drive. 275 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 2: It was it gave us the momentum that we needed. 276 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 4: I think that same series, how Ad Cross caught a 277 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 4: pass that took us close to the goal line, and 278 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: then that's why I finished off with the touchdown. So 279 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: we had we had players that had to come to 280 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 4: play and make plays at the time we needed them. 281 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: And you've probably forgot one too. What about that tip 282 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: ball in Super Bowl twenty one from McConkie to Vavarro. 283 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that was another one. Now talk were you real? 284 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: Were you thinking? What was the upper cut all about? 285 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: Uh? You know, in that game, I had a few 286 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 4: runs while I actually got to the secondary and Kelso 287 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 4: was forcing so fast and all I could do was 288 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: drop a shoulder. But I was watching him as I 289 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 4: approach him, you know, the angles and things like that, 290 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 4: and he seemed like he ain't rid of one of 291 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 4: a lot of this kind of one on one contact. 292 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: So my deal was when I turned to ConA, I 293 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 4: was trying to intimidate him and let him think about 294 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: how he wanted to try to tackle me, whether you're 295 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: going to try to. 296 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 2: Go low or go high. 297 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 4: But he actually missed tackling me. But Knee's Bennett chasing 298 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: from behind actually stopped me from going even further. 299 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: So now you cap off the Super Bowl, I can 300 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: never stop thinking about the year before. You had one 301 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty yards and the playoff loss against the Rams. 302 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: You had one hundred and twenty yards rushing in that game. 303 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: That was the. 304 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: Famous Flip for Anderson play. I thought you were the 305 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: best team in the National Football League that year. It 306 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: seemed like the Rams were like your little kryptonite the 307 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: mindset going into that season, because you guys got off 308 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: to a great start. They were ten and started see 309 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: you did you feel like you had a score to 310 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: settle after what had happened the year before we did? 311 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: And I tell you what was even personal to me 312 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: then that was after we lost that Flip Anderson game. 313 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 4: I sat on my stool talking to Maurice and I 314 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: had my hands covered my eyes, and Mary said, dude, 315 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 4: what's that all about. I said, you know, Maurice, I 316 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: had a prediction. I said, if I ever played in 317 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl Stay of Florida, feature running back on 318 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: win most Valuable Player, And that year was at Joe 319 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: Robbie Stadium, right up the street from University of Miami. 320 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: I was the feature back. 321 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 4: So Maurice said to me, he said, well, you know, 322 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 4: next year the Super Bowl is in Tampa, Florida. And 323 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: I said, Marie, don't kid with me, is it really? 324 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 4: He said, it's set Tampa, Florida. I said, Marich, We're going. 325 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 4: So I felt that that whole year was destined to 326 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: go to the Super Bowl. I didn't know what my 327 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: role going to be, but I knew it was destined 328 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: for us to go there because that was the only 329 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: other opportunity that I may have to fulfill my dream. 330 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: And then behold, Rodney get hurt in the player game, 331 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: and I can tell you that field go that met 332 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 4: Barney Ingland's on the sideline saying to me, is he 333 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: gonna make it? Is gonna make it? I say, Ingland, 334 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 4: it is my destiny. So I kind of felt like 335 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 4: me and God had a little hand on all of this. 336 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: All right, And you know Scott Norwood's kick sales wide right, 337 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: You're the Super Bowl champion. Now, did you think that 338 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: they would have the guts to give the MVP to 339 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: the running back? Because you know how these MVP awards 340 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: go in Super Bowls, especially in today's era. You know, 341 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: this is we're talking the nineteen ninety season, but they 342 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: still kind of went to the quarterbacks most of the time. 343 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: It did, And I'm like you, I thought Hostel played 344 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 4: just a great game, the one when he saved the 345 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 4: touchdown for a safety when he switched hands. He had 346 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: a great game, the hits that he took a playoff 347 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 4: to play. There was a series on the sideline when 348 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: he had got hit so so so often that they 349 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: was using a smelling soft to wake him up, and 350 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 4: he wasn't really responding, but I was because I was 351 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: sitting next to her. So it was kind of crazy 352 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 4: watching that whole transition go go down. 353 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: But I always felt and said. 354 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: That Hostel to me was the guy that should have 355 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: won MVP because of what he went through and everything 356 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: he did. So I was I surprised. Absolutely. Did I 357 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 4: think I accomplished that, you know, the one hundred plus 358 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 4: yards and having that many carries, I had no idea. 359 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 4: I just knew that it was one of those two 360 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 4: yards in the clown or dust kind of fight we had, 361 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 4: and I didn't even realize how much clock we was 362 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 4: using each time we had the ball. 363 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: So but it was my destiny. 364 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: It was your dustin Tampa, Florida. You win the MVP 365 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: in your home state, and you cap off a second 366 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship and you win the MVP. You know, 367 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: for Giants fans that are watching this, they might not 368 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: realize that you were an absolute stud. 369 00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: You want to. 370 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: You the Year Award in nineteen seventy nine and you 371 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: put big numbers up. I know this past summer there 372 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: was a whole bunch of former Giants players on the 373 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: Veterans List had a chance to make the Hall of Fame. 374 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Guys didn't make it to that next wave hopefully next year. 375 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Does it bother you that you don't get more consideration 376 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: or you haven't gotten more consideration? 377 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 4: It does when I look at some of the players 378 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 4: that is going in in the position that I played. 379 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 4: So I'm just trying to figure out the criteria of 380 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: which they judge from. Is it statistics, is it fan 381 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 4: favor Is it because your team was the team of 382 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 4: the seventies or eighties or whatever that is? I like 383 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 4: to know some clarity because if you're looking at stats, 384 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 4: my stats surpassed the last few inductees running backs. If 385 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 4: you go back and look, my stats is equally are 386 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 4: even better than those. And I just want some clarity, 387 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: That's all I need. 388 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean over ten thousand yards rushing, you ran 389 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: for eighty one touchdowns. Your rookie season, I mean three 390 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one carries and sixteen hundred yards eight touchdowns. 391 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: You were forced and then you were able to do 392 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: it later in your career. 393 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: You know. 394 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: Eighty nine, eighty eight you had eleven touchdowns, eighty nine 395 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: you had fourteen rushing touchdowns. Even in nineteen ninety when 396 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: hamp was drafted in the first round, you scored eleven 397 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns at an advanced age when most backs are 398 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: kind of done. 399 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god for that. But again, that's what I'm 400 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 4: trying to figure out. So Bob, maybe you can get 401 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: some clarity to this, so somebody could get us us 402 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 4: some clarity of how is it judged? I mean, what 403 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 4: do they look for. I've just been wondering, you know, 404 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 4: for the last you know, a few years. I've been 405 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 4: just wondering, what is it that I need to do. 406 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 4: I just got inducted into the Ring of Honor. You 407 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: would think from the wall to the hall. You know, 408 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 4: That's kind of why I was building it up. You know, 409 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 4: if it's about your character, well, I don't think the 410 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: Jacks would have put in anybody on the Ring of Honor. 411 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: They had bad characters. So is that one of the criteria. 412 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 4: I just want some clarity. 413 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: Do you think as the turnover and voters has happened 414 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: that maybe, you know, guys get forgotten a little bit, 415 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: like over the course of time. Like to me, Everson 416 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: Walls should be in, right. I mean, Carl Banks made 417 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: the All Decade Team of the eighties, the Hall of 418 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: Fame's second team All Decade Team. 419 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: Of the eighties. 420 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: He's not in either, right, And it almost feels like 421 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: maybe they need to put some more of these ones 422 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: that slipped through the cracks, like yourself. 423 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 4: Well, again, it's interesting to find out who's actually doing 424 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 4: the judges, because if you're looking at the people who 425 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 4: actually saw me play, those writers are no longer around. 426 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: Their grandkids are probably around now watching what we've done. 427 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: But what was unique? Fifteen years ago? 428 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 4: Par Sales, coach Belichick, coach Dick Vermil coach Joe Gibbs, 429 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 4: and Larry Holm submitted on my behalf to the Hall 430 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: to miss Baker submitted reference letters about me being in 431 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. Fifteen years ago. They did that 432 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 4: for me, And yeah, I still wait, all. 433 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: Right, Well, we're gonna just keep picking away at it. 434 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep finding away at it. The Giants are 435 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: playing the Bills this week, and when you think of 436 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: the history of the Giants and the Bills, you can't 437 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: talk about it without talking about the MVP of Super 438 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: Bowl twenty five, Otis Anderson. We appreciate a couple. 439 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: Minutes, Bob, I appreciate it, and let's go blue. 440 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: Otis Anderson joining us here on Popper's Perspective, part of 441 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: the Giants Huddle Podcast, brought to you by Bob's Discount Furniture, 442 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: the official furniture store of the New York Football Giants.