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He is not going out there 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.320 trying to be the shiny object of the second And 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.880 you know, you could argue maybe we're playing a little 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:41.720 tortoise and hair aspect to this. So I enjoy catching 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.440 up with roma Manuel because he's a lot of smart 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.240 things to say. And at the same time, he's been 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.160 around a block a few times politically, and this current 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:53.600 political environment looks awfully familiar to me from a political 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.040 environment that you oversaw in two thousand and six. So 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.320 there's a ton of things I want to get to. 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:05.919 But first let me start with with a simple question 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.320 other besides speaking out when I see you speak out 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.440 and all that stuff, what else are you doing right now? 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.880 Like tell me your what's what's the average week like 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:15.680 for Ron e Manuel? 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.440 Well, I mean, I'm uh so. I was on the 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.680 way about a week ago. It's one of my favorite 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.520 habits or pastimes. I was gonna go give the keynote 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.240 to Lynda Vane's Johnson Library, which is all the presidential libraries. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:33.760 I really love that library. Why so because I actually 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.480 think the architecture, uh number from Chicago soil were kind 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.560 of I think the architecture captures the personality of the 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.800 president is just big. It's power. It just you know, 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:46.840 you walk in there's a picture, big black and white 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.320 ten by ten him signing the civil rights at the 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.640 Voting Rights Act, and then there's a line of wall 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.640 of pens going all leading you all the way to 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.720 the photo of every bill he ever signed. I mean, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.000 that's just like it says Johnson. And then now it 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.600 get captures a character. And anyway, so I picked up 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:10.119 when I texted Doris Kurrn's going her book Unfinished Love 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.000 Story about her and her husband and Zara back. So 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.000 I've been to amy by why by coincidence, we didn't 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.120 plan this. I'm reading it, she's listening to it, and 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.920 so that's kind of and then obviously my three kids 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.920 and they're in different points in their lives, etc. But 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.480 then I'm you know, reading a lot on AI. I'm 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.920 learning besides my I try to read a book every 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.560 three weeks, but I've started to solicit. I had dinner 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.680 the other day with the CEO of Anthropic and we 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.080 had a dinner for a little over a couple hours 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.400 and he gave me some reading and I've been reading 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.159 on that. Somebody else gave me some other stuff, so 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.120 I'm trying to get smart on that. I took a 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.640 subject next is energy production here in the United States 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.080 and great and distribution. So I take a topic and 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.680 try to delve as deep as I can. But if 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.120 you ask me, what is occupied my time making sure 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.279 my three kids are off to a good start in life, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:05.120 and which they are. 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.000 But you know, it sounds like whether you look, I 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.560 know you're thinking about it. You could do it, maybe 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.080 you don't do it, but it sounds like you're you know, 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.880 if you said you're going to run for president, what 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.360 do you do to prepare? Well, one of the things 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.080 I might suggest is, well, why don't you go learn 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.960 about AI because if you've got a govern and economy 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:26.600 that's going to be driven by this, because that's what 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.280 you want to do. Yeah, you better know a lot 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.240 more about it, because I have a feeling our last 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.920 two presidents, the current one and the previous one, didn't 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:33.560 know much about it. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.000 Hey, well, a couple of things on let me unpack 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:42.000 like twenty of the questions right there. One what I'm 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.520 very excited about, and this is since we're both political 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:49.120 junkies but also policy Chuck twenty twenty eight will be 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.560 the first national election in twenty years. In my view, 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:54.120 that will be about the future, not the past. If 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.600 you really look at Build Back Better and Maga you're 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.600 driving fifty five miles an hour head looking through the 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.400 rare view mirror twenty twenty eight, both for our party's primary, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.440 and you also look at our primaries, I'm going to 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.200 had this in so a real discussion about the future 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.000 and the countries. Naturally, the general election will be about 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.800 the future, not the past. There won't be some kind 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:22.480 of yearn to a era that bygone time? What will 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.760 America be? So to me, that's exciting and b whatever 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.560 you come down to wild Western AI, don't let it 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.120 go forward AI kind of those are the extreme positions. 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:38.240 Whatever it is. We have a very technical innovative advantage 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:40.760 against China. They have an energy system that can do it. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.200 And we got to neutralize a negative that allows a positive. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.839 So to me, those are two subjects that are tied. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:48.880 But the other thing is you ain't getting from here 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.160 to there, and those is you know, I have focused 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:55.960 on education now in two weeks from now, you know, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.640 I went to Mississippi to talk about elementary education, etc. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:03.120 And see the mississip be Reading miracle in Michigan, in 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:07.599 Grand Rapids and in uh how I will lay out 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.840 a vocational ad plan because the ticket to the middle 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:16.440 class runs through the classroom. Without it, like the Langran colleges, 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.000 like the universal high school education, like the GI bill, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.960 like the Science of text Footnick Challenge. Without it, there's 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.640 no middle class in America. That's the door you got 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:26.920 to walk through to open up all the other doors. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.280 And to me, now, one last comment, and then this 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.360 is also politics, which I'm you and I are at 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.840 least the two of us are good at I found 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:40.480 it fascinating. In the Texas special, the Republicans said, oh, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.560 this is a warning, which is true. Democrats said, look 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:48.480 at his background. What he said was was nobody you listen. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.080 I stayed away from all the cultural issues and I 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.080 focused on education and vocational line. Do you ever hear 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.960 that before from so anybody else? That's my point I've 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:03.200 been talking about because as you said, it may not 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.160 be one. It may it doesn't come quote unquote under affordability, 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:08.160 but it's where people live their lives. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.280 So I saw, I observed a focus group, and I 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.600 keep sharing this anecdote because it really sort of jarred me. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.720 And I got two kids now, both of my ket 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:18.600 got one about to graduate college and one as a 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:19.400 freshman in college. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:20.800 Mother, thank you. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.960 I'm I'm a first year of empty nest, which really sucks. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.360 When there's a big snowstorm that. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.880 That would be real. Go shovel your mother wants it. 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:34.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, none of that works, right, And there 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.320 was a participant in there that said something interesting that 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.200 sort of haunted me about education, which he says, you know, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:43.160 I don't know. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.440 You know, he says, you know, ten years ago, everybody 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:49.120 said kids had to learn to code, right, and now 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.920 what are we learning with AI That might be a 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.160 meaningless skill, ye, right, something that we were trying to 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.600 reorientate stem education, right, We were trying to reorient a lot 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.920 of education that way. And the way that this person 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.040 worded it was sort of, you know, my greatest fear 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.800 is I don't even know what skills my kid needs 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.160 to succeed when they go out into the world, because 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:18.720 it keeps changing so fast. And I thought, you know, 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.600 I think my parents had an idea of what I 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.000 needed to know to be out in the world. I 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.320 think I've tried. I certainly guided my kids to where 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.839 I think they can succeed. I got one in oceanography, 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.640 one in sports marketing, where I know is a future 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:39.600 oriented posture. Right, But that comment struck me because I 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.319 get it right, things are moving so fast. What are 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.800 we getting? What's the education for? 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:46.640 Right? 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.040 And what skills? You know, we haven't redesigned our public 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:52.760 education system since it started. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:57.000 Well, right, so it's years. Yeah, so let me two 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:57.360 to three. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:58.880 So what do you make of that? Yeah? 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.959 Yeah, No, Look, one is when I was mayor, one 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.760 of the most I think monumental changes we made only 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.720 school system in the country to do this. You couldn't 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:16.160 get your high school diploma without showing us a letter 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.120 of acceptance from a college, a community college, a branch 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.840 of the Armed forces, or vocational school. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:25.520 Was the only was it the only. 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.760 Only system in the country. Is called Learn Plan Succeed. Yeah, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.600 and we hired a ton of college and career counselors. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.800 I mean it was backed up with you know, we 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.959 were the first city ever to do free community college. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.040 If you earned to be average, et cetera. To me, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.199 you want to be a plumber, you want to be 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.280 an electrician? Great, you want to go be a marine Great. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.680 You want to be a paralegal nurse or a nurse. Great, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:52.520 you want to be a mechanical engineer great? Or you 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.960 want to d G mannais. You are not walking on 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.240 graduation day without telling us where you're walking to m 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.040 H and the Todd children got that direction at home. 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.400 Not every child gets that direction. So set the expectation, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.800 give the support. And in this future world, as the 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.480 Ford CEO said just a month ago, I got seven 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.960 thousand jobs paying six figure with benefits, and I got 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.520 nobody apply it. I don't know that has the skills, 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.400 so I don't. And AAI won't change vocational carpentry, electrician. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.960 It won't eliminate it. I should say, not change it. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.080 May change it, but it won't eliminate it and the 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:35.760 need for it. And that's true a nurse or specialization 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:39.199 of nurse. That's true in other professions. But the fundamentals 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.240 in third grade, you're gonna have to learn how to read, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:45.040 whether AI exists or not. You're gonna have to know 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:47.839 how to do math regardless. Now you may be right 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.960 about coding, but to me, when you said it hasn't 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.920 changed in one hundred years. The biggest reform we did 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.719 in Chicago that I think is relevant is the high 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:03.160 school education. When we made universal b average, you got 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.680 free community college. In Chicago, fifty percent of our kids 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.839 graduated with college credit under their belt on graduation day. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.800 And third, ninety eight percent met the requirement of producing 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.319 a letter from a college, a community college, a branch 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.920 of the armed versus or vocational. And eighty percent of 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.199 the jobs up tomorrow requires something post high school. And 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.600 we haven't fixed the education system to meet that eighty 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.199 percent benchmark. And that's you know, that's why I talked 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.400 about it. And then to me, this is the ultimate 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.920 thing every parent's trying to figure out. Your parents articulated, 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:41.400 AI other parents particulated. You know, they learned a lot 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.720 during COVID about what was happening at their local school 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.680 or not like it. No, And and since we're also 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:53.320 junkies about politics, it was interesting twenty years ago, fifteen 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.960 years ago, remember when they used to do the battery, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.960 which part of you trust more? Healthcare? Taxis national security debt? Right? Yeah? 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.800 New York Times bolt. And there was another I think 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.200 was CNN pul They did that bat each of them 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:11.760 did their battery. Education wasn't on it, and there didn't 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.079 even rise, and yet you have a thirty year low 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.959 in reading, and maybe you just may want to ask. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.400 And the guy they just won, a Democrat that just 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.680 wanted a Texas special spend seventy thousand dollars on a 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.880 district that's bigger than the congressional district. The beat somebody 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.520 ten to one ran on one issue. Education. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.680 Well, this is an interesting let's mix it with the 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:45.240 politics here theything mixes everything checks this Kansas is your blueprint? 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.440 Right when brown Back messed with the education funding boom Right, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.560 there's now sixteen of the last twenty four years in 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.200 Kansas have been have had been democratic governors? Yes, right, 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:04.040 and it has been over this essentially education. Rob sand 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.880 is probably going to be the next guy. I might 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.040 be over my skis a little bit okay, but I 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.320 certainly would bet on him being the next governor anybody 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.240 else right now, assuming he stays laser focused on education, 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.040 because a whole bunch of eye ones are really ticked off. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:25.320 The voucherization idea right in rural America sounds great until 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:30.840 you find out, well, what school choice exists. Yes, and 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.680 this is Texas too, So there's a this is a 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.080 and I don't get the national Democrats don't seem to 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.040 be fully engaged on this because they're like, well, education 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.720 is a local issue, yeah, but it's a national issue that, well, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:46.920 it is just governed local. 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.000 Your last two presidents who got reelected, one head raised 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.160 to the top, ran on it and reran and the 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.000 other one ran on public school choice and teachers of excellence. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.280 So and you can't tell me the last two, meaning 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.840 Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, what their education policy was 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.280 except for open the bathroom door. Can't do it. And 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.840 to me, that tells you why a twenty point advantage 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.320 on an issue that touches everybody, we now have para 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.760 pursue now. I happen to think our kids are suffering 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:23.160 from two things. Republicans have abandoned public education and Democrats 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.800 have abandoned accountability. And our kids are falling through the crack. 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:29.400 That's what's happening, and that's on us. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.520 I think it's a it's a very fair argument, and 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.160 the the you know you. I would also argue that 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.360 the reason for Democrats losing Latino voters because when you've 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.360 ever you know, I used to there was it was 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.320 a standard thing where your top three concerns among if 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.400 you're among Latino voters, and it was always some combination. 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.160 Education was always higher among Latino voters than it was 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:55.680 among all voters. Right, Education particularly for this is true 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.360 of all first generation immigrant groups in this country. Right, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.760 Education is always right up there with the economy, and 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.200 then sometimes over the economy. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.920 All immigrant groups, whether they've crossed the Real, the Pacific, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:12.200 or the Atlantic or the Mississippi, all of them always 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.000 put education top because they made that struggle for the 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.680 next generation. And that door of the school is that 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:24.200 door into the middle class and every dream your parents 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.200 had for you. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.080 Right. And I think, just to put a period on 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:35.480 this sentence, the only party even talking about education usually 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.040 is the Republicans, not the Democrats. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.320 Well, look, I mean this gets to uh, this will 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.800 age me. I don't care. I grew up at a 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.840 time when you had Governor Bill Clinton, Governor Hunt, Governor 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.480 Writhy becomes Clinton secretary. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.520 But it was also Governor Alexander who was. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.880 Governor Winter, Governor Childs, Governor Miller. Now these were titans. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.080 They were in a competitive race to be the education 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.199 governor had two things. I just told you before we 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.120 got on what am I doing? And I was talking 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.679 about going to the Linda Vane Johnson. If you go 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.800 back and look at the stuff. While we know him, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.320 remember him for obviously the War on Poverty, the Great Society, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.159 But his what he wanted to be remembered as was 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.600 the education government. That's what he wanted to be remembered for. 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:28.080 There's probably of one subject passed more individual bills in 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.280 the education column than anything else. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.080 Why are there Why did lotteries spread like wildfire from 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:35.880 nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety six? 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:36.920 Education? 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.240 Right, everybody said I'm going to start at lottery and 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.399 use it to fund education. Now, of course the problem 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.600 is every state legislature said, great, now we don't need 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.560 to fund education by education the lottery. 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.120 Well yeah, so look, but I think here's the thing. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.040 And then you were gonna pivot. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.440 This is also what I care about. Passion of mice. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.439 I happened to think is what the public cares about. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.600 I'm gonna, as I said, I went to Mississippi, laid 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:04.600 out in an elementary what. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.480 Did you learn about the Mississippi story? Because you know 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.439 there's a lot of people who didn't think Mississippi's education 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.439 plans would work. What why do you think it worked well? 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.560 Two things. One is I've been following the debates on 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:23.359 other topics, but when Louisiana, Tennessee, and Alabama replicate it 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.520 and see similar games, this was not a one trick pony. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.199 So this was clearly they had figured it out. And 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.720 the truth is they didn't really figure out except for 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.399 their return to the fundamentals. They rewired every teacher around 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.639 the science of reading, phonics, train train trade, and they 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.760 get constant trating it's not one and done right. They 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.360 get a coach, the school gets a coach. The school 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:53.600 coach coaches the principal coaches all the teachers on the sun. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.479 And they give them the subject of teaching reading essentially. Okay. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.600 Two, they have a minimum. I'm doing this by memory, 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.280 but I think it's an hour and fifteen minute per 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:12.119 day for every child. Second is as a child is going. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.120 If that individual child needs more support than the hour 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:21.000 and fifteen minutes every day, they get a tutor. Now, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.080 one thing I will say is and to their credit, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.760 and I met with mister Barksdale, the guy that created 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.760 and that'scaped the thunder this whole thing. I suppose structurally 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:32.639 there was no other option. You couldn't kind of opt out. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.120 This is what you were doing. To get in Mississippi money. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.080 You had to do this. So this was not like 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:43.880 local control. They would no. And second is they're honest 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.760 with themselves. They said, okay, we're doing really well, but 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.280 we start to lose momentum in fourth and fifth grade. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.200 So they're now setting up reading clinics to try to 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.159 figure out how to keep the third grade momentum going. 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.440 There's also a one as element I left and everybody 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:00.880 some A lot of people forget. If you don't meet 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.200 the standard after I think it's three tests, you don't 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.960 get advance to fourth grade. Now they don't just do 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.800 read and get done. They do training support for teachers, 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:16.280 rewiring on phone X, keeping them pop to pop. You know, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.840 of their game. The principle understands it. They get kind 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.000 of trained down it. The kids get a guaranteed minimum time. 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.680 If you need more, they will get you more support. 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.040 And obviously if you fail, you don't go forward. But 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:33.480 if you succeed and not only go forward, but then 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.639 they have Now these reading clinics that they're going to 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.560 try to figure out how to keep the momentum. And 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:43.840 as I said, Louisiana, Tennessee, Alabama, there's a county in 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.280 Florida called Indian River County. All who have replicated all 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:51.359 are seeing the same thing. So get back and do 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.320 the fundamentals and your kids will meet the scores. And 0:20:56.240 --> 0:21:01.119 I did this in Chicago. 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