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Speaker 1: Joining me now is somebody who may or may not

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Speaker 1: be interested in national office someday, but he's certainly got

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Speaker 1: a lot to say about where the Democratic Party ought

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Speaker 1: to be, what policy focuses ought to be. And I've

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Speaker 1: been fascinated to follow what Ram Emmanuel's been up to

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Speaker 1: because he's tackling issues that, if you read the polls,

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Speaker 1: are issues that sort of less political Americans want politicians

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Speaker 1: to focus on, probably the biggest one being education. And

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Speaker 1: everything derivative from there. He is not going out there

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Speaker 1: trying to be the shiny object of the second And

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Speaker 1: you know, you could argue maybe we're playing a little

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Speaker 1: tortoise and hair aspect to this. So I enjoy catching

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Speaker 1: up with roma Manuel because he's a lot of smart

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Speaker 1: things to say. And at the same time, he's been

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Speaker 1: around a block a few times politically, and this current

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Speaker 1: political environment looks awfully familiar to me from a political

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Speaker 1: environment that you oversaw in two thousand and six. So

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Speaker 1: there's a ton of things I want to get to.

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Speaker 1: But first let me start with with a simple question

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Speaker 1: other besides speaking out when I see you speak out

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, what else are you doing right now?

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Speaker 1: Like tell me your what's what's the average week like

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Speaker 1: for Ron e Manuel?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm uh so. I was on the

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Speaker 2: habits or pastimes. I was gonna go give the keynote

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Speaker 2: to Lynda Vane's Johnson Library, which is all the presidential libraries.

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Speaker 2: I really love that library. Why so because I actually

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Speaker 2: think the architecture, uh number from Chicago soil were kind

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Speaker 2: president is just big. It's power. It just you know,

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Speaker 2: you walk in there's a picture, big black and white

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Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act, and then there's a line of wall

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Speaker 2: of pens going all leading you all the way to

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Speaker 2: the photo of every bill he ever signed. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's just like it says Johnson. And then now it

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Speaker 2: get captures a character. And anyway, so I picked up

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Speaker 2: when I texted Doris Kurrn's going her book Unfinished Love

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Speaker 2: I've been to amy by why by coincidence, we didn't

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Speaker 2: plan this. I'm reading it, she's listening to it, and

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Speaker 2: so that's kind of and then obviously my three kids

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Speaker 2: then I'm you know, reading a lot on AI. I'm

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Speaker 2: three weeks, but I've started to solicit. I had dinner

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Speaker 2: on that. Somebody else gave me some other stuff, so

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get smart on that. I took a

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Speaker 2: subject next is energy production here in the United States

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Speaker 2: and great and distribution. So I take a topic and

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Speaker 1: But you know, it sounds like whether you look, I

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Speaker 1: know you're thinking about it. You could do it, maybe

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Speaker 1: you don't do it, but it sounds like you're you know,

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Speaker 1: if you said you're going to run for president, what

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Speaker 1: do you do to prepare? Well, one of the things

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Speaker 1: I might suggest is, well, why don't you go learn

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Speaker 2: Hey, well, a couple of things on let me unpack

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Speaker 2: like twenty of the questions right there. One what I'm

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Speaker 2: very excited about, and this is since we're both political

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Speaker 2: junkies but also policy Chuck twenty twenty eight will be

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Speaker 2: the first national election in twenty years. In my view,

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Speaker 2: that will be about the future, not the past. If

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Speaker 2: you really look at Build Back Better and Maga you're

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Speaker 2: driving fifty five miles an hour head looking through the

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Speaker 2: rare view mirror twenty twenty eight, both for our party's primary,

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Speaker 2: and you also look at our primaries, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: and the countries. Naturally, the general election will be about

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Speaker 2: the future, not the past. There won't be some kind

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Speaker 2: of yearn to a era that bygone time? What will

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Speaker 2: you come down to wild Western AI, don't let it

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is. We have a very technical innovative advantage

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Speaker 2: against China. They have an energy system that can do it.

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Speaker 2: And we got to neutralize a negative that allows a positive.

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Speaker 2: So to me, those are two subjects that are tied.

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Speaker 2: But the other thing is you ain't getting from here

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Speaker 2: to there, and those is you know, I have focused

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Speaker 2: I went to Mississippi to talk about elementary education, etc.

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Speaker 2: a vocational ad plan because the ticket to the middle

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Speaker 2: class runs through the classroom. Without it, like the Langran colleges,

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Speaker 2: like the Science of text Footnick Challenge. Without it, there's

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Speaker 2: no middle class in America. That's the door you got

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Speaker 2: And to me, now, one last comment, and then this

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Speaker 2: least the two of us are good at I found

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Speaker 2: it fascinating. In the Texas special, the Republicans said, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is a warning, which is true. Democrats said, look

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Speaker 2: at his background. What he said was was nobody you listen.

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Speaker 2: I stayed away from all the cultural issues and I

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Speaker 2: focused on education and vocational line. Do you ever hear

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Speaker 2: that before from so anybody else? That's my point I've

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Speaker 2: been talking about because as you said, it may not

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Speaker 2: be one. It may it doesn't come quote unquote under affordability,

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Speaker 2: but it's where people live their lives.

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Speaker 1: So I saw, I observed a focus group, and I

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Speaker 1: keep sharing this anecdote because it really sort of jarred me.

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Speaker 1: And I got two kids now, both of my ket

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Speaker 2: Mother, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a first year of empty nest, which really sucks.

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Speaker 1: When there's a big snowstorm that.

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Speaker 2: That would be real. Go shovel your mother wants it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, none of that works, right, And there

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Speaker 3: was a participant in there that said something interesting that

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Speaker 3: sort of haunted me about education, which he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, he says, you know, ten years ago, everybody

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Speaker 1: said kids had to learn to code, right, and now

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Speaker 1: what are we learning with AI That might be a

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Speaker 1: meaningless skill, ye, right, something that we were trying to

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Speaker 1: of education that way. And the way that this person

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Speaker 1: it keeps changing so fast. And I thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think they can succeed. I got one in oceanography,

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Speaker 1: oriented posture. Right, But that comment struck me because I

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And what skills? You know, we haven't redesigned our public

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Speaker 2: Well, right, so it's years. Yeah, so let me two

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: school system in the country to do this. You couldn't

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Speaker 2: of acceptance from a college, a community college, a branch

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Speaker 1: Was the only was it the only.

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Speaker 2: Only system in the country. Is called Learn Plan Succeed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we hired a ton of college and career counselors.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was backed up with you know, we

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Speaker 2: If you earned to be average, et cetera. To me,

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Speaker 2: you want to be a plumber, you want to be

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Speaker 2: an electrician? Great, you want to go be a marine Great.

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Speaker 2: You want to be a paralegal nurse or a nurse. Great,

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Speaker 2: want to d G mannais. You are not walking on

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Speaker 2: H and the Todd children got that direction at home.

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Speaker 2: Not every child gets that direction. So set the expectation,

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Speaker 2: give the support. And in this future world, as the

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Speaker 2: Ford CEO said just a month ago, I got seven

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Speaker 2: thousand jobs paying six figure with benefits, and I got

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Speaker 2: nobody apply it. I don't know that has the skills,

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Speaker 2: so I don't. And AAI won't change vocational carpentry, electrician.

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Speaker 2: It won't eliminate it. I should say, not change it.

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Speaker 2: May change it, but it won't eliminate it and the

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Speaker 2: need for it. And that's true a nurse or specialization

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Speaker 2: of nurse. That's true in other professions. But the fundamentals

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Speaker 2: in third grade, you're gonna have to learn how to read,

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Speaker 2: how to do math regardless. Now you may be right

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Speaker 1: Right. And I think, just to put a period on

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Speaker 2: There's probably of one subject passed more individual bills in

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Speaker 1: Why are there Why did lotteries spread like wildfire from

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Speaker 2: This is also what I care about. Passion of mice.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna, as I said, I went to Mississippi, laid

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Speaker 1: And they give them the subject of teaching reading essentially. Okay.

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Speaker 2: This is what you were doing. To get in Mississippi money.

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Speaker 2: local control. They would no. And second is they're honest

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Speaker 2: There's also a one as element I left and everybody

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Speaker 1: is and I want to talk about because you, I

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Speaker 1: know you want to talk a little bit about what

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Speaker 1: Trump said about nationalizing federalizing elections. And I wrote a

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Speaker 1: whole substack on this phenomenon, and maybe this is more

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Speaker 1: of a media issue, but also I think you as

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Speaker 1: a politician have to figure out, you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get people fired up about something, you have

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Speaker 1: to find a way to get them interested in the topic.

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Speaker 1: And here you have there's always what Trump says, and

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Speaker 1: then there's stuff Trump does. And we have a remarkable

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Speaker 1: capacity to focus on what he says and not enough

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Speaker 1: on what he does. And the Abu Dhabi story in

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal which I think you wrote, you know,

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Speaker 1: is just you know, it's it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: we're so numb to it it takes your breath away, unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: This is bigger than Teapot Dome. And I think Teapot

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Speaker 1: Dome is the worst scandal against the American taxpayer in history. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and this is this dwarfs it. It's not even a

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Speaker 1: close call. Never mind, we don't even get to the

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Speaker 1: fact that pardons are regularly sold. This is like a

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Speaker 1: weekly thing. Every week there's a new round of pardons.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, Roger Stone has a client, and yet.

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Speaker 2: You know, and the overalls has become eBay.

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Speaker 1: So why do you think you can get blaring hair

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Speaker 1: on fire coverage on federalizing elections but essentially stealing from

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Speaker 1: the American taxpayer and selling American foreign policy, which is

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Speaker 1: what this was. And look, I think we want to

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Speaker 1: be in business with UAE, you know, in a professional

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Speaker 1: cap Okay, this is an important country, and so I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying we shouldn't be in a straight up diplomatic

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Speaker 1: and trade relation economic relationship country to country, but we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't practice politics the way they practice politic well, and

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Speaker 1: it's also a constitutional Last time you've.

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Speaker 2: Heard you've hit up pilot one is you're right, we

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Speaker 2: should be engaging the UA for both strategic, commercial and

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Speaker 2: other interests. His problem is we're engaging the UA for

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Speaker 2: the Trump family commercial interests, not the Americans and the

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Speaker 2: Wickaw family. Very clear, it's not Yeah, this is a

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Speaker 2: second is you have And I think this has an

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Speaker 2: impact on the president. As I wrote the other day

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Speaker 2: in their drone, they feel betrayed. He was supposed to

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Speaker 2: work on the American people's checkbook and he's focused on

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Speaker 2: the Trump family checkbook and they know it, and they

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Speaker 2: feel betrayed. And we have not seen the wholesale uh

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Speaker 2: corruption like this, as you say, go back to teapot Dome.

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Speaker 2: But there's other elements. I've never seen something that is

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Speaker 2: so brazen. I happen to think there's a broken windows

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Speaker 2: strategy here, which is they've permitted the smaller crimes, have

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Speaker 2: kind of knocked down your antibodies, and it's created an

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Speaker 2: environment for a bigger If you.

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Speaker 1: Notice who he pardons, the type of crime he always pardons.

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Speaker 2: White collars, always financial.

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Speaker 1: And every single one of them.

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Speaker 2: It's not a coincidence. Nope, No, there's a pattern besides

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Speaker 2: the cash and carry business in the Oval office. But

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Speaker 2: this is what happened. Now, it'd be nice if you

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Speaker 2: two things. I will say, he's gonna do what he's

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Speaker 2: gonna do, right. It'd be good if you had a

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Speaker 2: other branch of government holding the administration accoldable, holding hearings,

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Speaker 2: not just for the sake of holding hearings, because you

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Speaker 2: have to shed light on this, and there is an

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Speaker 2: element you now have. I think the deputy attorney not deputy.

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Speaker 2: I forgot Martin's title, but he is leaking a grand

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Speaker 2: jury testimony and he quickly is getting out. But you

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Speaker 2: know what, I also Roberts Supreme Court. Remember inaugirl day,

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Speaker 2: Trump flok Sap goes thank you, just again, thank you

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Speaker 2: right at him. He gave him again on a jail

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Speaker 2: card when he says, there's no way you can hold

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Speaker 2: the president accountable. So you can't hold them accountable. So

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Speaker 2: therefore he's gonna steal the money. And the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: under Roberts has to be also. That's why that's why

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Speaker 2: I'm in the view seventy five up and out across

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Speaker 2: all three branches of government, because these guys have gotten

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Speaker 2: really lazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree with there on that, but I actually

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Speaker 1: still blame the courts got put into a position to

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Speaker 1: be getting involved in more activities that Congress should be doing. Right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, I've actually you know,

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Speaker 1: I think our problem is Congress, right, the ineffect, the

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Speaker 1: fact that it doesn't work. Right, they don't know it's

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Speaker 1: it's a big problem. Right. It doesn't want to be

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Speaker 1: the accountability branch. It's not doing these things, but even

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Speaker 1: simpler stuff. Right, why do we Why are the courts

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Speaker 1: involved in reproductive rights because Congress wouldn't deal with it?

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Speaker 1: Why did the courts have to get involved with desegregation

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Speaker 1: because the Congress wouldn't deal with it?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Our broken Congress has then made people have to go

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Speaker 1: to the courts. And then, of course the more the

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Speaker 1: courts have been active, then you create interest groups that

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Speaker 1: are trying to politicize the courts when ultimately the core patient,

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Speaker 1: the patient.

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Speaker 2: Zeros aren't as a reform member of Congress, yeah, here

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Speaker 2: served elected four terms, served only three. Look, they have

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Speaker 2: walked away from their responsibility full stuff. And because they're

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Speaker 2: not on point. As a co equal branch of government,

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Speaker 2: you have a caffeinated executive branch right, run three bottles

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Speaker 2: of red Bull or cancer red Bull. And you have

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Speaker 2: a Supreme Court that, in my view, you can you

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Speaker 2: can give them. I'm not giving them a pass that

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Speaker 2: you cut. I think they they know they gave a

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Speaker 2: This is exactly I don't mean to get historical here,

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Speaker 2: but you go to the Federals papers. This is exactly why,

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Speaker 2: uh what Hamilton and Madison were very concerned about, which

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Speaker 2: is a corrupt executive and there and the court says,

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Speaker 2: whatever you do, you can't be held legally responsible. Now,

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Speaker 2: I just tell you that was a get on. That

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Speaker 2: was all this guy needs to get out of jail

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Speaker 2: and that and he's going to take it all the

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Speaker 2: way to the bank, and we're going to be left

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Speaker 2: holding the bag of Americans and him and his kids

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Speaker 2: are gonna he's in here to make money and his

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Speaker 2: kids are going to make use of every day. And

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Speaker 2: you get that Wall Street Journal story. I don't know

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Speaker 2: about you. I read it twice because I as an

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Speaker 2: Emmanuel's never speechless. I was speechless. I could not believe.

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Speaker 2: And let me ask you a question, how many people

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Speaker 2: in the elected position today, Well, we're dealing with all

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Speaker 2: these subjects. Any of them said, we need a understanding

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Speaker 2: of what's went on here. We're selling probably the most

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Speaker 2: important national security chip that we scared could go to China.

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Speaker 2: We're selling it. We still have the same concerns. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm going to back up to you, and this gets

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Speaker 2: to kind of another point. While I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about nationals, that decision, et cetera, et cetera. This tells

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Speaker 2: you how much Congress and Washington. But Congress, I'll give

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Speaker 2: you that and the impact with no Washington post on

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Speaker 2: point Yeah, you have the head the Director of National Intelligence.

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Speaker 2: You have China g unbeknownst to anybody else, firing as

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Speaker 2: head of the armed forces, and every intelligence agency across

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Speaker 2: the globe is looking at our Director of National Intelligence

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Speaker 2: is in Fulton, Georgia. Ways said, no, no, you laughed.

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Speaker 2: We're about to go into the talks with Iran. I

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Speaker 2: know what happens. You get these intel briefs on what

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Speaker 2: you think, where are the divisions in the Iranian position,

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Speaker 2: Who's for what, etc? Are D and I Director and

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Speaker 2: not Fulton, Georgia. You're about to host Russia, Ukraine in

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Speaker 2: the United States, and one of the most important part

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Speaker 2: of the negotiations, whereas europe our Director of National Intelligence Fulton, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: looking at ballots tells you everything you need to know

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Speaker 2: about this administration. You have three and I'm probably leaving

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Speaker 2: five events off across the globe. There's sixteen plus intelligence agency,

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Speaker 2: a feeding interr. She's in Fulton, Georgia calling the president's

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Speaker 2: cell phones so he can talk to the FBI agents. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you want to know why America's got a problem. We

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Speaker 2: got an administration with the wrong priorities and the American

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Speaker 2: people know, which is why the republics are going to

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Speaker 2: pay a price this November.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting you put it that way because I

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Speaker 1: am somebody who still thinks, look, the election system's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. But I know I'm sure people come up

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Speaker 1: to you because they come up to me when I

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Speaker 1: give talks. Are you sure he's going to accept the

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Speaker 1: mid terms? Are you sure he's going to not invoke

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Speaker 1: the Insurrection Act? Are you sure? And it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: with Trump, nothing's you know, there's no one hundred percent okay,

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Speaker 1: And I and I accept that there are certain things

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Speaker 1: he can't screw with. And I think our election systems

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Speaker 1: are so diffuse and so you know, you know, the

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Speaker 1: lack of federalization is what makes is a feature not

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Speaker 1: a bug. Right, So I'm I'm pretty confident that we're

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Speaker 1: going to have a normal, small d democratic response to

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Speaker 1: this administration. Am I not alarmist enough? Where are you

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Speaker 1: on this? Because you know, being an alarmist in some

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Speaker 1: ways is it could be good politics for the moment,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you've got somebody, Look, Gavin Newsom's out

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Speaker 1: there saying this is what he wants to do. And

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Speaker 1: you can't say Gavin's wrong, but I think he's made

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Speaker 1: a bit of alarmist but I understand who he's talking to.

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Speaker 2: Let's say it, well, three things. One is, I do

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Speaker 2: think it's weird that nobody watching him made the connection

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Speaker 2: between the Director of National Intelligence is infulted and you

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Speaker 2: have three massive international events.

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Speaker 1: Right, But you're you're accepting the premise that she's actually

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Speaker 1: a player in the intelligence.

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Speaker 2: I'm accepting the premise that does the United States Senate

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Speaker 2: confirmed her knowing full well every one of them that

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Speaker 2: was she was perfect. Yes, look at mister Cassidy and

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Speaker 2: his big conscious vote for Kennedy. Now he's getting his

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Speaker 2: butt kicked lost his conscious and lost his election number

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Speaker 2: two on the alarmist versus art. What keeps me up

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Speaker 2: is the are going to do a lot fbi ice

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Speaker 2: before the election. But it's, as you said, the diffusion

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Speaker 2: because he's trying to consolidate it. We'll keep it somewhat,

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Speaker 2: have some antibodies and protection. I worry about the post

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Speaker 2: election and seeding.

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Speaker 1: That's funny, that's what I bring up. Okay, so close environment. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so people in about the power of the House on this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so here is I said this here who was

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Speaker 2: in the Mississippi town hall? Uh, well, we did up

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Speaker 2: in the Water Valley, and I said, if somebody asked

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Speaker 2: something kind of along the lines of what you asked,

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Speaker 2: but you know, close enough, it's a cousin of what

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Speaker 2: you asked. I said, Look, what I really worry about

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Speaker 2: is from this perspective, I think he's going to do

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Speaker 2: a lot before the election. I happen to think the

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Speaker 2: thin blue line that's going to protect this country is

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Speaker 2: the American people. This is court walked, Corporate America walked, media,

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Speaker 2: titans and owners walked. The American people will protect this country.

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Speaker 2: And I have confidence in that he and he is

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Speaker 2: not a look, the president of is says, I don't

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Speaker 2: agree with me, but he knows that Democrats in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five one thirteen out of thirteen state wide elections.

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Speaker 2: He knows what's coming.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to do talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna do anything. He's going to do everything

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Speaker 2: he can, sorry, bother, everything he can before the election.

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Speaker 2: I still believe not after. The Constitution is very clear

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Speaker 2: about the role of the speaker in organizing the House.

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Speaker 2: The former speaker has a role before you get to

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Speaker 2: the new Congress to let the new speaker. And I

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Speaker 2: believe if you ask me, one part of my brain says,

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of at forty to sixty on the paranoia

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Speaker 2: after the election. I'm seven d thirty eighty twenty because January.

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Speaker 1: Sixth, Yeah, in this case it's January third, right, Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I worry about. Well, it's funny you say that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm the additional detail I include when I and

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Speaker 1: I say when I'm like, look, I'm not worried about November.

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Speaker 1: If it's really close, like I also think you can

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Speaker 1: it's eight seats or less, correct, it's a blowout. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Mike Johnson can do anything. But if we're

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Speaker 1: talking like what we just had in twenty two and

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Speaker 1: in twenty you know, we're sitting here in a three

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Speaker 1: to five seat swing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Ready, I want to do the phone call for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can find me.

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Speaker 1: The votes, you can find me or you don't have

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Speaker 1: to see certain people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is and Johnson. No, I'm not exactly what

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Speaker 2: I say is a profound courage. You're gonna need a

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Speaker 2: Mike Pence courage. And I'm not sure Speaker Johnson has that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty Yeah, yeah, I don't. And you

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Speaker 2: know I did it some way.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I am one of those who sort of

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Speaker 1: I will respect how he got there. He's only there

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Speaker 1: thanks to the one person, Donald Trump, Right, So he's

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Speaker 1: going to do his bidding because his political career is

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Speaker 1: over if he doesn't. And that's the that's the scary

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Speaker 1: part of it.

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Speaker 2: So you asked me, I get why. No, I don't

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Speaker 2: I understand why Governor k Newsom would say what he said. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not like I think it's a but in

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Speaker 2: the you know the joke, you know the joke, John

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Speaker 2: Even paranoid people have enemies. So in the business of

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Speaker 2: having a paranoia. Mine is on January third, not on

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Speaker 2: November six. Yeah, I think that's the date. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What do you think so far of this of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic team trying to head up the midterms? What if

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Speaker 1: you like so far? And what do you think needs improvement?

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Speaker 2: Look, I I well, I kind of let me take

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Speaker 2: a step back and tell you how I kind of

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Speaker 2: view this. I see twenty twenty six and twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: eight as a compendium elections.

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Speaker 1: Potentially mirror images of six and eight in your head.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so two things that are underappreciated and I don't

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Speaker 2: see out in the bloodstream. We win in six thirty seats,

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Speaker 2: but we use seven to set up eight in the

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Speaker 2: main same way that George Mitchell going back to ninety

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Speaker 2: one and the government budget forces George Bush to sign

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Speaker 2: the tax increase, break his pledge and sets up Bill

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Speaker 2: Clinton in ninety two.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so two things that I think are really really important.

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Speaker 2: I happen to think the Democrats have good candidates out there.

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Speaker 2: They have and quality candidates. They've done a good job

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Speaker 2: recruit where I'm I think there's an oh, there's a

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Well, let me back up in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. I still think they need a six and

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six because eighty percent of this is a

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Speaker 2: referendum on the Republicans. But you got to put a

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Speaker 2: little lipstick here. We're gonna do a minimum wage, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do rate payers bill rights, we're gonna do ethics reform,

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Speaker 2: a change election. You know that has a monoicam. Here's

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Speaker 2: why we're asking you not just to vote against them again.

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Speaker 2: Eighty percent is a vote against them, as you can

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Speaker 2: see in all the elections, but twenty percent were safe hands.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty seven is very important to setting up twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. In that period, also, we've got three presidentials

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Speaker 2: that seven states, six hundred thousand voters, seven hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: voters have decided who's president. There should not be an

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Speaker 2: empty line from school board to governor in Nevada, Arizona, Georgia,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, Pennsylvan in Michigan, Wisconsin. No line should not

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Speaker 2: have a surfer and a surfboard on it. Because I

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Speaker 2: think this is going to be a wave election like

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Speaker 2: ninety four six, twenty ten, and twenty eighteen, and if

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Speaker 2: I'm right, getting into Arizona, throughout the state, that state rep.

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Speaker 2: That school board, that county commissioner, that supervisor, all the

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Speaker 2: way up true in Nevada, all the way up true

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Speaker 2: in Georgia, all the way up from the bottom up.

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Speaker 2: You're organizing in twenty twenty six for twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: twenty eight in Georgia two months out and say, well,

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Speaker 2: we got beat at this game. Well, the game started

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. Its started much earlier. But you

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Speaker 2: get the point. So that's the two things. And I

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Speaker 2: still think I don't mean to leave the Senate out.

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Speaker 2: And but you look at this. I you know there's

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Speaker 1: I think you have to. You have a way, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think this. This is all the makings

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Speaker 2: No, they do not that basically, Well, I believe in

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Speaker 2: the power of prayer. That's a lot of prayer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, let me you know, because this is always

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Speaker 2: You're stupid until election day.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's that, but there's no upside in being the

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like the general manager that goes ahead and trades

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Speaker 1: Given what looks like is going to be a dramatic

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, him.

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Speaker 1: So I hear your playing about the seven states. You're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Well, there's two states that come quickly to mind, because

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Speaker 1: It is nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I say that's interesting because both, if you

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, let's pause there. David Jolly and

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Speaker 2: Referring to, butenant governor and a former congress right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these weren't liberal Republicans when they were elected. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree. They would probably say that, okay, and

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Speaker 2: same way, same region, a lot of bolt evils, right

860
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: blue dogs, you know, basically woke up one morning, so

861
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party's not my home anymore and became Republicans.

862
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: Now their traffic is flowing the other way. Now, paus,

863
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 2: will the party welcome what they get out of here? Yeah,

864
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: and here's here's the.

865
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: Thing that we're going to find out, aren't we.

866
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to find out two things that's very interesting.

867
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: One is we always say we want to be a

868
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: big ten party. We're going to see you who in

869
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: the party thinks set So there's going to be that.

870
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: And two is I don't think the party, my party

871
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: is fully appreciated that almost fifty percent of the country

872
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: is not in a party. The fastest growing party is unaffiliated.

873
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: Independent voters under thirty five.

874
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: And then second, contrary to popular view that somehow, if

875
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: you use a little smelling salts, the New Deal coalition

876
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: will just pop up out of nowhere again that in fact,

877
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: what Trump showed you is coalitions are forming and shaping

878
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: in real time, and you've got to make a decision.

879
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: In my view, that is what I argued in the

880
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 2: journal piece. The unaffiliated voters, which are now forty five

881
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: percent and growing, that's your majority. Now you can decide

882
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: to go get that majority and not make it electorally

883
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: transactional but make it transformational, or you can decide not to.

884
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: And I think these guys moving over is a window

885
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: both to the unaffiliated and soft Republicans that we can

886
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: be something bigger. And so I keep my eye Georgia,

887
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. That's my that was my region.

888
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: There's your extra state that you would throw in, and

889
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: so you'd throw forth.

890
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 2: Three states to keep your eye on. Are those three

891
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: states for the long for the twenty thirty two and beyond.

892
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: There's this perception that to be a strong Democrat you

893
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: have to be a progressive, that you can't be from

894
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: the center left, you can't be you know, And I think, look,

895
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: I think history shows that Bill Clinton showed you could

896
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: be considered a strong partisan and at the same time

897
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: governed more from the center than from the base. But

898
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: that was not appreciated in real time, no, I think,

899
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: and it arguably took it. I don't know if the

900
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: Democratic Party appreciates that even today. So in fact, I

901
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: just read an interesting little memo that somebody wants to

902
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: circulate and we're asking me to read it, just sort

903
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: of making the case that hey, this milk toast centrism

904
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: is not the answer.

905
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you say, Well, you had a big

906
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: primary New Jersey for governor six Hans. Yeah, the mayor Newark,

907
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: very progressive, mayor Jersey, very progressive, president of the Teachers Union,

908
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: largest union of state. Two members of Congress. Two members

909
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: of Congress were on the moderate to conservative wing of

910
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 2: the party. Their combined vote was forty nine point seven

911
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: and the one that topped out of the five was

912
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: the most conservative of the five. You had an eleven

913
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: candidates for Jerry Connolly c Congressional One out of eleven

914
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: got fifty nine percent, and he was the most moderate

915
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: conservative whatever you want to use of the eleven and

916
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: one's with not thirty but fifty nine percent. You and

917
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: I are sitting here today. Will be very interesting. We

918
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: won't know the answer. Thursday. There's a primary in New

919
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: Jersey for Mikey Michaels, Mikey Cheryl's congressional seat. That is

920
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: a pretty wide spectrum. Lieutenant governor, former member of Congress,

921
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: a supervisor Kenny and a person who found themselves is

922
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: kind of like AOC. So we'll see. I don't think

923
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a bigger moderate wing of the party,

924
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: and there's a bigger pragmatic wing. Now, one thing that

925
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: we know from presidential history Clinton, John Carey, Joe Biden

926
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 2: that ultimately, when the parties walk backs against the wall,

927
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: they go pragmatic, not ideological. Right winning will be more

928
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: important than any particular thing that's right.

929
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: Well, that's been my I've made two points about like

930
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: people always ask me, you knows who's the front runner,

931
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: and I always say I flipped the script, and I

932
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: always say, you know, at this point in time, nobody

933
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: was talking about Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety, at this point.

934
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: In time, No, no, you were talking No, no, no,

935
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: worse than that. At this point in time, mario'comell, Bill Bradley. Yeah,

936
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton was at two percent.

937
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: And it was right. He wasn't even he wasn't even

938
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: really being he wasn't high enough to even be talked

939
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: about as a dark horse.

940
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: Yes.

941
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: By the way, Jimmy Carter, same thing. I'll give you

942
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: another one that I like to remind people of just recently,

943
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: if I told you at this point in time in

944
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty cycle, which would be February of twenty eighteen, Hey,

945
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: rom you know who's going to be one of the

946
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: finalists for the Democratic nomination for president. It's going to

947
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: be the mayor of South Bend. You know, the guy

948
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: that just and you would say, you mean the guy

949
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: that lost DNC chair and I'll be like, yeah, that guy.

950
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: So it tells you the Democratic Party always is looking

951
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: for what I always say is two things new and

952
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: somebody who you know, isn't that who hasn't been sort

953
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: of in their face for the.

954
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: Last five Well, let me say this. The worst place

955
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: to be in the Democratic Party is front runner three

956
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: years out. Oh I know.

957
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,439
Speaker 1: I joke about that with Gavin You're like, okay, yeah,

958
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: you win the first year and ask Kellry Clayton what

959
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: that's like. And she was the front runner O five exactly.

960
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: You know, al Gore was the front runner and oh one.

961
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I do think one thing that's very clear,

962
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: and I say this is look as I value make

963
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 2: my view. Yeah, twenty twenty eight and for the country

964
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: and for the party will be the first primary election

965
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 2: and general election in which the future will be on

966
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: the ballot.

967
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, we've done that. You could argue that it's

968
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: funny we do this every twenty years. It's funny how

969
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: it's worked out that way. Sixty eight wasn't open. Eighty

970
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: eight wasn't open. Eight wasn't open, twenty eight is an open.

971
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: It's just interesting how it's just fallen that way.

972
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we've had making America great again,

973
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: build back better. You know, while they're different in many

974
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 2: many policyways, spiritually they emanate that they look through the

975
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: rear view mirror with this hazy nostalgic sense rather than

976
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: look to the future and say here's what we're going

977
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: to do right. You know, it's of a product at

978
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton's don't stop thinking about tomorrow.

979
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Or building a bridge to the twenty first century. It's

980
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: one of my favorite Like with I made the joke

981
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: you tell me fill in the gaps here. But I

982
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: believe Bill Clinton hadn't figured out what his accepted speech

983
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 1: theme was going to be. Bob Dole gave his Yeah,

984
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, huh. When he wanted to build a

985
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: bridge to the fifties or whatever it was, it was

986
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: a bridge to the past.

987
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: Very nostalgic. It was a nostalgic speech.

988
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: And literally, aha, I mean it was sort of that

989
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: suddenly gave it gave Clinton an idea, right.

990
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, it allowed him not only to be future,

991
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: but also continue to be changed while you were running

992
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 2: as the incumbent.

993
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: Right, how did we end up? You know, it's funny

994
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: the rules of politics that I grew up with. Right,

995
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was well the candidates to talk

996
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: about the future when candidates that talk about the past lose.

997
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: Yet we had three straight presidents, right, Trump twice and

998
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: Biden once who won by talking about the past.

999
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean each election is each election is slightly different.

1000
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,479
Speaker 2: But may take a look at Joe Biden's twenty twenty

1001
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: This is my take. His the past wasn't so much

1002
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: the factory or this. It was a time in which

1003
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: it was more comedy than conflict. Yeah, if you asked

1004
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: me where he broke faith with the public, wasn't Yes,

1005
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: he made an implied to pledge. She never disabused the public.

1006
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm not running again at twenty twenty four, then broke it.

1007
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: But I think the bigger pledge he broke with the

1008
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: public my observation, and I still think he'll man. He's

1009
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: a friend and I think he I have a different

1010
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: view over the presidency. But his bigger break was he

1011
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: said I'm going to bring more comedy and he ended

1012
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: up trying to unite the party, not the country. And

1013
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: I think that's where he gets off the rails. I

1014
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 2: think if you ask me why the party, why the

1015
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: country wanted some of this kind of nostalgic was and

1016
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: this is something I've been working through. When you look,

1017
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: we've had our political difference, as partisanship is not due

1018
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: new to American politics. Fighting hard is not new to America.

1019
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: But there was a kind of a boundary sense.

1020
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: We were exhausted, we did want to reset.

1021
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and this is a U and I you know, look,

1022
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 2: you got three more years of Donald Trump. So the

1023
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: question is, and I think this will be is what

1024
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm betting on, is the country's going to look at

1025
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: this and say, Okay, the puck will be not to

1026
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: have a democratic version of Donald Trump. The puck is

1027
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: going to be how do we Yeah, And I think

1028
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 2: that's actually what's you know, one of the things I've

1029
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: talked about is the party should be post Minneapolis. I

1030
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: know this will come. Yes, there's an ice component, there's

1031
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: an immigration component. There's actually I think all the people

1032
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis showed their true citizenship. There is working not

1033
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: to democracy, but also I have an obligation to my neighbor.

1034
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: I have an obligation to the person down the road.

1035
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 2: And I believe the answer to the future is national service,

1036
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: reigniting that sense of bonds. Not your diversity, not your differences,

1037
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 2: but your commonality. And I think the country's doesn't desperate form,

1038
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: which is why going back to five. But as recently

1039
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: as last year, for the paper The Washington Post wrote

1040
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: about the need for national service. I am the last

1041
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: six months of high school should be mandatory. Six months

1042
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: clean a river, work alongside kids you never met, tutor,

1043
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: do a series of things because guess what, Being an

1044
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: American is a gift. Yeah, and you need to reach

1045
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 2: I treat that gift with care.

1046
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: It's the single best idea Clinton had in the nineties,

1047
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry it never I believe the Right killed

1048
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: it because they thought it was gonna.

1049
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: Well, he did the Americ Corps. Two things.

1050
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: He got AmeriCorps, but the right.

1051
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: I'll give you a great anecdote, so he gets Americrps,

1052
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: doesn't get as big as he wants, compromises, et cetera.

1053
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: John McCain and Lindsey Graham come to Chicago in the

1054
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: Obama transition. One of the things that and we have

1055
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 2: a meeting there President elect Obama, Senator McCain, Senator Lindsey Graham,

1056
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: and uh and myself. There's a commitment that is, we're

1057
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 2: dealing with the auto industry and we're dealing with the

1058
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: financial you know, we will do a rewrite of both

1059
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: America or National Service and Peace Corps. And if you

1060
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: get past Lily Ledbetter that showse helf, the recovery, the

1061
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: budget team they and obviously Kennedy's ill. So there's an interest.

1062
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: There's a bigger moment to fulfill the pledge that the

1063
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: president of like Obama, and they chok on it, and

1064
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 2: that becomes in the spring of nine, the President signs

1065
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: into along with pass and a significant expansion of both

1066
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: AmeriCorps and the Peace Corps National Service legislation. But if

1067
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: you go back to Clinton, it was cut down. You know,

1068
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: those were the days it was coming out of seriously things.

1069
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: But he's still got amer Corps done. Yeah, not as

1070
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: big as he wanted.

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Speaker 1: I got two more questions, he said, two more topics

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Speaker 1: for you than I a chatting here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah one is and sniffling, but I got a head, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. Yeah, one is are

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Speaker 1: we at a I think we're at a moment. We

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Speaker 1: had the robber barons one hundred years ago, we have

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Speaker 1: the tech titans of today. I think the anger at

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Speaker 1: rich people I am, I am, I joke all the time.

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Speaker 1: The pitchforks are being sharpened, and there are pitchforks in

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Speaker 1: both parties right for different reasons, and they're coming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What does this look like in a in in an

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Speaker 1: A Ram administration? What do you what is true? And

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Speaker 1: do we need a trust busting moment? And can you

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Speaker 1: run against billionaires without coming across is against.

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Speaker 2: You know, making money? Well, here's the thing. I actually

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Speaker 2: think one of the big problems facing the country is

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Speaker 2: that our entire tax code is is now focused on

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Speaker 2: wealth preservation, not wealth creation. When you really rip, take

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Speaker 2: Mitt Rombie and he writes this up ed tax me more.

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Speaker 2: But when you take each of the pieces and components

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Speaker 2: that he talks about the whole, I don't mean to

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Speaker 2: get technical, step up. It's about preserving wealth and it's

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Speaker 2: not about creating wealth. It's not passing out to other generations.

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Speaker 2: You never passed Bay taxes. This is insane. Now he

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Speaker 2: does it from a fiscal perspective. I would take it

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Speaker 2: from an investment perspective into future generations. And I'm based

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Speaker 2: on my friendship with former Sena Ronnie Romney Mitt. I

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Speaker 2: don't think you would disagree with a number of things

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Speaker 2: that'd be more consensus on what the things you should

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Speaker 2: Festine put that aside. Look like that when I said,

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Speaker 2: first person to say in either party sixteen and younger,

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Speaker 2: no more social media apps. Protect the kids. And I've

1104
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 2: never met a parent in all my walkings around the country.

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Speaker 2: My kid needs more time on the screen. I've never

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Speaker 2: met that parent.

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Speaker 1: Okay exactly.

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Speaker 2: They feel that these guys have taken their kids away

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Speaker 2: from them and raising them on an algorithm that's addictive,

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Speaker 2: and there's as much anger at that as much as

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Speaker 2: nobody has told these people bosto, take your hands off

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Speaker 2: my kids. So there's a wealth piece, there's a power piece,

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Speaker 2: and they feel like the government's role and we've been

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Speaker 2: the government has been a woe is to basically equal

1115
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 2: this out when it gets out as kilter the era

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Speaker 2: you're talking about, whether that's the railroad barons, the conglomerate barons,

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Speaker 2: or going into as Roosevelt Franklin Roosevelt. The scales are tempted,

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Speaker 2: where heads eye win and tails you lose.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought, I thought Bernie Sanders made an interesting

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Speaker 1: point the other day about the interest in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: That look, the point he made fits his long term messaging.

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Speaker 1: So you know, God bless Bernie. It's always about the

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Speaker 1: billionaires and the millionaires. But I do think he made

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Speaker 1: this observation, which he says, the interest in the Epstein

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Speaker 1: files beyond the conspiracy theorist, is because people are tired

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Speaker 1: of these rich guys play their own set of rules. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's right.

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Speaker 2: No, No, there's no doubt. I mean, look, that was

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Speaker 2: part of you know, my view when I advocated for

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Speaker 2: Old Testament justice to the bankers. Right, basically, here you are,

1131
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: your home is everything to you. You get liar loans,

1132
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: you lose your home. And these rich punks are talking

1133
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Speaker 2: about their bonuses and not one of them ever paid

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Speaker 2: a thing of accountability legally, professionally, and they walk around

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Speaker 2: like it was you know, that was the financial trade.

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Speaker 1: Do you see what's happening? These crypto guys basically said, well,

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Speaker 1: screw the Democrats, We're just going to go buy off

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Speaker 1: the Republicans and they have.

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Speaker 2: Want to just be clear, every decision the Court's ever

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Speaker 2: made on politics, whether it's money, silver Voting Rights Act,

1141
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: et cetera, they've made the democracy harder and concentrated around

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Speaker 2: wealth Supreme Court. Every one of their decisions around politics

1143
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Speaker 2: is has made this system worse.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of Jeff bay Us and what

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Speaker 1: he's doing?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean at Washington Post? Yeah? I think

1147
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Speaker 2: look for a guy that's I mean not my money,

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Speaker 2: but in the last year your net worth has increased,

1149
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Speaker 2: I mean billions zeros that people will never see. The

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Speaker 2: Washington Post is not a profit. It's a institution that

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01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: serves the public good. You're lucky to be the steward

1152
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: of it. There's not charity from you. This is a

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Speaker 2: contribution to our democracy.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's like twenty thirteen, Jeff Bezos seemed

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Speaker 1: to believe that. Look then he bought it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know whether he

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Speaker 2: did it a proper analysis to realize newspapers breaking news

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01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: live at ten don't make money out right, Okay, so

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Speaker 2: your job here is not to lose money. But don't

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Speaker 2: kidd me. You knew what you were doing when you

1161
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: got in. It's actually a public it's almost like an endowment.

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: It's a public interest. So I'm not for it. And

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Speaker 2: the notion that it's not like you're struggling. You don't

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Speaker 2: know anything about the snack program from food benefits, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: The idea that given that you have just made off

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Speaker 2: the stock market billions, and I'm not saying that losing

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Speaker 2: one hundred million is easy, but it doesn't change. There's

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Speaker 2: not one vacation, one outfit, or one holiday that you

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Speaker 2: have to cancel because of the washing Post. Nothing in

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Speaker 2: your standard of living has changed.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I would argue that, hey, you

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01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: can figure out how to lose less even make a

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Speaker 1: couple of bucks if you have better, more innovative leadership,

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Speaker 1: and he had terrible leadership being Jewish and being a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I've said is, look,

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Speaker 1: before Donald Trump came down the escalator, I never felt

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Speaker 1: as if my Jewish identity would come first as far

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Speaker 1: as how people judged my work. After he came down

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Speaker 1: that escalator, that suddenly was interesting to me, how that

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Speaker 1: it was the first time I'd ever experienced any sort

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Speaker 1: of anti semitism, and I joke that when I hear

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Speaker 1: the word populism, now it doesn't matter if I hear

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Speaker 1: it on the left or the right. I know the

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Speaker 1: next words out of their mouth is going to be

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Speaker 1: something attacking Jews. How welcoming do you think a Jewish

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Speaker 1: candidate for president? How welcome do you think a Jewish

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Speaker 1: candidate for president is going to be? In a Democratic primer?

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Speaker 2: Well one is, don't worry about my faith. Worry about

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Speaker 2: the faith America people of America have in America. That's

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Speaker 2: what's hurting. I'm good with my faith. My Rabi thinks

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Speaker 2: I could do better. I say that tongue in cheap

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Speaker 2: is here, and do I live by the Jewish moral

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Speaker 2: code as best as I can, as best of the

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Speaker 2: teaching of the Jews, and it's the work of progress.

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Speaker 2: My faith is not Your concern is the fact that

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Speaker 2: the whole generation of Americans have lost faith in America.

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Speaker 2: I think America's lost faith in them. That's what we

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Speaker 2: should be worried about. Second, since you like politics and

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Speaker 2: love politics, I got elected in the congressional district that

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Speaker 2: Dan ross and Kowski, Roman Pucinski, Franken Nunzio, Rob Bgoyrevitch,

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Speaker 2: Mike Flanagan and Alllong comes from Israel, Emanuel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not a single bunch of Catholics.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, European Catholics, Okay, Right in Chicago after a

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01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 2: long run of Irish Catholics and other type of ethnic

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Speaker 2: helmy city, that's only two to three percent the city

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Speaker 2: that my grandfather came to when he was fifteen, one

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Speaker 2: hundred years earlier. His grandson gets elected. So I've seen

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Speaker 2: the other side of this now that is separate a

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Speaker 2: faith issue from Israel, which is a different diferent issue.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's completely conflated.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: My frustration is, you know, it can be pro Israel

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Speaker 1: and critical of Bibi. Can't you accept that.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, there's one person in the Democratic Party but bb

1215
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Speaker 2: Netan now who in two thousand and nine, because of

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Speaker 2: his difference on housing in the West Bank, called a

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Speaker 2: self hating Jew and you're looking at Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: He writes it in his book, You're an Axel Rod.

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Speaker 1: Right then he say David's Rod and Ram a bunch

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Speaker 1: of self hating Jews.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that yeah, Ram Israel Emanuel self hating Jew maybe,

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Speaker 2: And I didn't need a war to realize this guy

1223
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Speaker 2: was wrong, that he was leading Israel into the wrong place.

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Speaker 2: He's not a real scientist when it comes to the

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Speaker 2: tradition of what it believes to be a nation of nations.

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Speaker 2: That's what Bengorian says. He's walked away from the vision

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Speaker 2: of what it is. He has been turned his back

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Speaker 2: on the spirit of Zionism. And to me, my faith

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Speaker 2: is me and my God and my Rabbi. It's the

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Speaker 2: faith people have in America that we should be focused

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Speaker 2: on as it relates to Israel. Before everybody else said,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, look what this guy's doing twenty years ago,

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Speaker 2: I told him, and I didn't say it behind his back.

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Speaker 2: I said it to his face in the Oval office.

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Speaker 1: Right because the assumption was you might have more credibility

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Speaker 1: with him right now.

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Speaker 2: Let me also say, Obama had to separate us. That's

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Speaker 2: how I got and I said, what you're doing on

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 2: housing in the West Bank is going to destroy and

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Speaker 2: isolate Israel as Peru.

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Speaker 1: Well enough, here we are, and.

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Speaker 2: Chuck, Israel's never been more strategically secure and more politically

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Speaker 2: internationally isolated. Welcome to Beebie's world, mister Sparta. That's what

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01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: he wanted and that's what he's getting, but the Israeli

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01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: public will not support it. And what he's done in

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 2: all the regions in the last two years has made

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Speaker 2: Israel more vulnerable than it was before.

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Speaker 1: How much of a litmus test do you think this

1249
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 1: should be and will be for Democrats?

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Speaker 2: You can't have a war like this, etc. That it

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01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: should be debated and should be. A president is going

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Speaker 2: to do something with China that's going to actually benefit

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 2: him and endanger America as should be sending chips to

1254
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: UAE so your family can make money. All of this

1255
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: should be on the table, because if you can't handle

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Speaker 2: the national street, you can't handle that job.

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Speaker 1: How much of Israel's politics I joke about this is Israel.

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: Israel's politics is as polarized as ours is. Right, here's

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01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: they have an unpopular person who keeps becoming their leader.

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Speaker 1: This is what right? Are is Israel our past or

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Speaker 1: our future? Did we export polarization at are we starting

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Speaker 1: to emulate that this is this?

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Speaker 2: This is like a whole nother show. But I will say, no,

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Speaker 2: you have a it's really it's not our future. And

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Speaker 2: I meant what I said earlier. I think the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 2: not the lower courts. Supreme Courts under Roberts has failed.

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Speaker 2: I think the Republicans in Congress have failed. I think

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Speaker 2: the corporate titans in their silence when they know under

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Speaker 2: their breath it has failed. The thin blue line that

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Speaker 2: will protect this country are the American people. And it's

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Speaker 2: why Donald Trump is going to do everything between now

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Speaker 2: an election day to make sure they're not hurt, because

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Speaker 2: they will actually return the country to its proper balance.

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Speaker 1: So you're putting on the you're putting on whether Israel's

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Speaker 1: are past or our future?

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Speaker 2: Right on punters, Damn right, that's a because I can't

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Speaker 2: give that answer without it being like twenty more questions.

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Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a fair point. Yeah, if Democrats

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Speaker 1: fail to win the mid terms, what is that? You know?

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Speaker 1: How does that take your book? Or you just don't

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Speaker 1: see it.

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Speaker 2: There's one pat when you have one party controlled the

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Speaker 2: microphone and the gabble, there's a law of physics, massive turnout,

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Speaker 2: but the party out of power. Every election, all thirty

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Speaker 2: of them plus have shown that two independence break two

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Speaker 2: to one for the party out of power. Every election

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Speaker 2: has shown that three low turnout by the incumbent party voters.

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Speaker 2: Every election has shown that this is set up. I

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Speaker 2: still hold by what I said, so I haven't taked

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Speaker 2: my position. In twenty minutes. We are going to know

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Speaker 2: the future by May fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right from Emmanue, it's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks always make me think too.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back. We'll come back. On America mirror images

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Speaker 2: of each other.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole documentary to do on that.

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Speaker 2: Now. It's it's uh and I do think one last

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Speaker 2: thing I'll say, and then I gotta you gotta get

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Speaker 2: get better. But yeah, it's a headquarter. Our job is

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Speaker 2: to restore the faith of the American people in America.

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Speaker 2: My faith is good. I have to work on it

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Speaker 2: like everybody else has to do on there. It's restored

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Speaker 2: if you run for the big higher office. It's restoring

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Speaker 2: that faith. That is the most important task out of us.

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Speaker 1: You know. That's that's a that's a good pivot that

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Speaker 1: makes because you're right, a lot of people have los

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Speaker 1: are losing faith in the idea of America. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just us. A lot of our allies feel that way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, brother as always seem mm hmmmmm.