1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: On this episode of Nuts World. Amelia Earhart was a 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: pioneer in aviation. In nineteen twenty eight, publisher George Putnam 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: picked Earhart to become the first woman to cross the 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Atlantic by plane as a passenger. When her flight landed 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: in Wales, she became a media sensation and a symbol 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: of what women could achieve. In nineteen thirty two, she 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: became the first woman to fly solo across the Atlantic 8 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: as a pilot. Her awards included the American Distinguished Flying 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Cross and the Cross of the French Legion of Honor. However, 10 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Earhart would not live to her fortieth birthday. During an 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,319 Speaker 1: attempt of becoming the first woman to complete a circumnavigational 12 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: flight of the globe in nineteen thirty seven, Earhart and 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: her navigator Fred Noonan disappeared over the Central Pacific Ocean 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: near Holland Island. The two were last seen in Lay 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: in New Guinea on July second, nineteen thirty seven, on 16 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: the last landstop before Holland Island and one of their 17 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: final legs of their flight. Her disappearance remains one of 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,839 Speaker 1: the great unsolved mysteries of the twentieth century. For eighty 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: seven years, people have been trying to find her plane, 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: a twin engine Lockheed ten E Electra. Here to talk 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: about the search for Earhart's plane and his recent discovery. 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: I am really pleased to welcome my guest, Tony Romeo, 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: CEO of Deep Sea Vision, a marine robotics company specializing 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: in deep ocean exploration and survey. Tony, welcome and thank 25 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: you for joining me on News World. 26 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, speaker. I appreciate that. 27 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: So before we talk about your discovery, I just want 28 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: to start by talking about Amelia Earhart. You have a 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: great quote in the Wall Street Journal quote. For her 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: to go missing was just unthinkable. Imagine Taylor Swift just 31 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: disappearing today. I mean, Earhart really had a level of 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: international fame that was astounding for that time period. Why 33 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: was she so famous? Man? Can you talk about aviation 34 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and the role of this pioneering woman during the time 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: that she was there. 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: Sure, that's a great question. I appreciate all the questions 37 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: have been asked over the last couple of days. I 38 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: think that's one of the best because the story is 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: about her. She is America's favorite missing person, right not 40 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: Jimmy Hoffa, but he's famous too. But Emilia Art is 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: our favorite missing person. And you know, as long as 42 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: she's missing, there's gonna be someone out there looking for 43 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: She came from a humble upbringing. She was a nurse 44 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: in World War One in Toronto, and she just fell 45 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: in love with flying. And she seemed like you're just average, 46 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: normal American and she was tapped on the shoulder to 47 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 3: do something great and she ran with it, and to 48 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: do it she did then, flying across the Atlantic, flying 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: across the Pacific solo, and setting these speed records, distance records, 50 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: flying records were just unheard of, and especially for women. 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: And it's just so impressed with what she did. There's 52 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: a lot of people wouldn't do what she did then, 53 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: They wouldn't do it now, certainly not with the technology 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 3: that she used. Just a fascinating person. And by the way, 55 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: you know, aviation pioneer, early advocate for women's rights, but 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: also tremendous author. She wrote a book called for the 57 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: Fun of It, one of the best books you've never 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: heard of. 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: It's called for the Fun of It. 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: Yep, terrific. She was so gracious, She was incredibly gracious. 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: She never said anything bad about anyone. I mean, you 62 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: knew when she didn't like somebody, but she never said 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: anything bad. She is so clever, so witty. She actually 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: wrote four books. I feel like of all the things 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: known about Meli are, that's one of the most unknown things. 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: Tremendous author and just very intelligent women. 67 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: As late as nineteen thirty there were still only two 68 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: hundred female pilots. That it really had been a field 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: that females had not been very accepted in. So she 70 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: was really outstanding as a pioneer at a time when 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: it was very rare. 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 3: And here's another fact for you, Knut that is very interesting, 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: I think is she was the first woman to cross 74 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: the Atlantic right, solo. But she was the first woman 75 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: to fly across the Atlantic. Said, but she was actually 76 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: the second person. I mean, of course, you know it 77 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: was Charles Lindbergh was the first one, but she was 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: the second one to do it, and there were no 79 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: other men that did it. It was her. She was 80 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 3: the second person to do it. So and solo, by 81 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: the way, I mean, just incredible, incredible thing to do. 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: I think now that we do it routinely in large 83 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: passenger ships, we don't realize back then, But I mean 84 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: everything about whether the engine could work, whether you run 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: out of fuel, whether your navigation was good enough. I mean, 86 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: these were real pioneers and they were taking real risks. 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: Now it's interesting, though, because I think because she was 88 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: so daring and because she was breaking these records, she 89 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: really became sort of a symbol and attracted a lot 90 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: more women into becoming pilots. 91 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: Totally agree, absolutely for sure, and not just in the aviation. 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: Encouraged women to break the barriers of all sorts of professions, 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: and she called her the cockpit, her kitchen. Basically, she 94 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: was encouraging women to get out there and pursue careers, 95 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: and I think it was a wonderful message and it resonated. 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Part of that process. She became a friend of Eleanor Roosevelt, 97 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 1: the first lady who herself had really strongly advocated women's 98 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: rights and women pursuing careers and women making a contribution. 99 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: And she became the first woman vice president of the 100 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: National Aeronautic Association, which actually kept the official records and races, 101 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: and she convinced them to have separate female records because 102 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: women did not have the money or planes to fairly 103 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: compete against men. For world titles. The other thing that 104 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: you were talking about. She wrote, but in addition to writing, 105 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: she also gave lectures all over the country. She was 106 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: a person who was a star in her own right, 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: and people came there. And I didn't know this, but 108 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: she designed a whole line of women's clothing, dresses, blouses, pants, suits, hats, 109 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: using her own sewing machine, her own dress form, her 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: own seems just. She modeled them for promotional things, and 111 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: so people could actually sort of read her books, listen 112 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: to her speech, and then wear her clothing. This wasn't 113 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: a cultural phenomenon. 114 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: That's right. 115 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 3: And a luggage line, and they also had her at 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 3: one point, I think, promoting cigarettes, which she absolutely hated 117 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: because she didn't smoke. 118 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: You mentioned that she designed this line of lightweight, canvas 119 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: covered plywood luggage. I didn't realize this Earhart luggage was 120 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: sold into the nineteen nineties. 121 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know that either. That's wow. 122 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: Incredible talk about lasting as an impact. And of course 123 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: she became a household name. People knew who she was. 124 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: I was amazed. Now she broke the women's attitude record 125 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: when she got to fourteen thousand feet. That's in nineteen 126 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: twenty two, and then, as you point out, six years later, 127 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: she crosses the Atlantic in twenty hours and forty minutes. 128 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: I mean again and again, she's just doing stuff. Is remarkable. 129 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 1: Did she have a close relationship with the aircraft manufacturers. 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: She did. With the Lockheed Martin folks. She did. 131 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: They kind of specially designed the aircraft for her. It 132 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: was Purdue University. You mentioned that she was a teacher 133 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: and a professor. She actually was a teacher at Purdue 134 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 3: University who in large part ended up buying and giving 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: to her as a gift the aircraft, the Lockheed Martin Electra. 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, she had a very close relationship with them 137 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: and Gary Johnson, so yeah. 138 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: A very close relationship. 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: And she knew most of all the pilots and aircraft 140 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: manufacturers at the time, and she was obviously so well known. 141 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 3: She knew the president. She was invited to numerous events 142 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: with FDR. I mean, she was really a worldwide celebrity. 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: She goes coast to coast, setting a women's record. I 144 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: didn't realize this. She flies from Honolulu to Oakland, which 145 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: is a twenty four hundred mile trump. I mean, it's 146 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: comparable to crossing the Atlantic. 147 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: Sure, yep. 148 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: And apparently that was also the first flight where a 149 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: civilian aircraft carried a two way radio. So here you 150 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: have somebody who was a pioneer in technology, a pioneer 151 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: in achievements, pioneer in women's roles, in a variety of ways. 152 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: She flew from Los Angeles to Mexico City. That took 153 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: thirteen hours back then with the equipment, that's a long 154 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: time to stay awake. 155 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: And you're a funny part with that story. 156 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: She was flying in Mexico City and somehow she got 157 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: lost or she wasn't sure where she was at, and 158 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: she just landed in this ranch land and got off 159 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: and there was a guy and a horse there, and 160 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: she stopped and asked him how to get to Mexico City, 161 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 3: and he told her, yeah, it's that way, just a 162 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 3: little bit further, and she got back in the plane, 163 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: took off the guy's farm, and finished the flight. 164 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: You can't quite imagine how really on the edge she 165 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: was living. And when she began her worldwide flight around 166 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: the world in thirty seven, she becomes the first person 167 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: man or woman to fly from the Red Sea to India. 168 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: That is a long flight and it's the same thing 169 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: you're talking about earlier with Mexico. I mean, here you 170 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: are in an area. Nowadays we have all of these 171 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: electronic devices and they're sort of electronic highways in the sky. 172 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: These folks are doing at the hard way totally different. 173 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: So from your perspective, when did you get interested in 174 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: a milliar are heart? 175 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 2: Oh? 176 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: Since I was a kid, I've always been fascinated with 177 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: the story. My dad flew for Pan American for over 178 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: forty years, and my brother is a pilot in the 179 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: Air Force. My other brother has his past license, my 180 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: sister has a past license. I have my past life. 181 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: So it's been a story that's just always from early 182 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: age growing up, that we always talked about. 183 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: You know. 184 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: It's just recently that you know, he really got deep 185 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 3: into researching and I said, why has this not been 186 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 3: solved yet? All the information is there, and you know, 187 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: as a dug deeper, it wasn't necessarily that people don't 188 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: know where she went down. We all know generally the area. 189 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: The problem was logistically how difficult and challenging it is 190 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: to get to Howland Island. It's a very deep ocean 191 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: out there in the Pacific. It's days away from anything else. 192 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: So to mount an expedition go out there and do 193 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: a search is extremely expensive and it's challenging. There's only 194 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: been five serious attempts at finding an airplane deep ocean searches. 195 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: David Jordan one of the greats in the history of Amilliard, 196 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 3: He's done three of them, and Ted Waite of Gayweight Computers, 197 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: Found to Get with Computers has done another one. And 198 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: so it's not an easy thing to do, and so 199 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: it's just for us. It was can we do this? 200 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: Can we actually put this together? If I can get 201 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: into it. My tactic on the tackling this problem was 202 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 3: not to do it as a lease, go out and 203 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: lease equipment, but actually set up a business deep sea 204 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: vision where we buy the equipment and then we turn 205 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: into a larger kind of operation where we can use 206 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 3: this equipment for other contracts and jobs out in the Pacific. 207 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: And there's a backlog of work out there between pipe surveys, 208 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 3: wind farm jobs, other rec surveys. So if we could 209 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: buy this equipment, we could bring the cost way down 210 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: and then work in our Amelia airhard searches and other projects. 211 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: Isn't the only one we're interested in? World War two stuff. 212 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: So for me, this was a perfect opportunity of switching 213 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: careers out of real estate get into something a little 214 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 3: bit more adventurous and exciting. 215 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: How far is it from Holland Island to other larger places. 216 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: It's about three days away. I mean the closest island 217 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: is care Body. If you look at it looks like 218 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 3: but it's pronounced careboss. There's another island that's Tuvalu American 219 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: samoas a couple of days away, So it's really in 220 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere. I mean she was flying there. 221 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: It was right on the equator. She was flying there 222 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: as a stopping point on her next leg to Whii. 223 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: She needed to refuel, so the US Coast Guard had 224 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: put some fuel there for her and built a runway 225 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: actually for so she could land and refuel and then 226 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: take off and fly to Hawaii and finish off the trip. 227 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: When I was reading about you to work, I was 228 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: really surprised. I mean, if you get the Coast Guard 229 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: to go all that way to build a runway and 230 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: to bring aviation fuel, she was really getting significant support 231 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: to try to help her succeed. That's a pretty big deal. 232 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, And I think the President was involved, 233 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: FDR was involved on a few of the requests. They 234 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: built a runway on Helland Island for especially for her 235 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: to land there, and they had people stationed there for 236 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: waiting for her rival. And there was another ship halfway 237 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 3: between Papa New Guinea and Holland also trying to help 238 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: her track her way to Helland Island. 239 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: So there was a lot of support. It was a 240 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: big deal. It was a worldwide event. 241 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 3: I mean, it was an opportunity, I think, to showcase 242 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: American innovativeness, American bravery. Somebody, an American could fly around 243 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 3: the world, American women could fly on the world, So 244 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was a great opportunity for 245 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: the country to show case a true American hero. 246 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: They also have been that having been personal friends with 247 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: Elin Roosevelt didn't exactly hurt and getting the President to 248 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: say to the Coast Guard, g wouldn't you like to 249 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: go down to Holland Island? 250 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: She absolutely leveraged don yep which is. 251 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: Just kind of remarkable. Now. She leaves Miami on June first, 252 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven, in what is a planned program, which 253 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: given things like what they were doing in Holland, they 254 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: must have really thought this through and planned it out 255 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: as around the world project. 256 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: Imagine that. 257 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: Imagine doing something like that today, buying the tickets and 258 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: figuring out your visas. And I mean, you're talking about 259 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: a time when flying in some of these airports, you 260 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: didn't even know what to expect. There were some countries 261 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: that had required vaccinations, there were countries that were having 262 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: malaria outbreaks. There were maps that didn't even have accurate 263 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: roads and navigational guides for her. All this was done 264 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: through telegrams, right. They weren't texting each other and emailing 265 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 3: and figuring this out. This is all telegrams. And a 266 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: lot of people fault her for this communication plan and 267 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: not being better on the radios, and I'm like, you 268 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: can't do that, It's not fair. This is nineteen thirty seven. 269 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: People weren't talking to each other on the radios back then, 270 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 3: Between aircrafts, it was all in its infancy. She was 271 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: breaking ground in so many different ways. 272 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: It's incredible. 273 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: It strikes me that when she did go missing, people 274 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: had this wide range of explanations of what happened. I 275 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: remember one time there was a period where they thought 276 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: maybe the Japanese had forced her down because she had 277 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: gotten near the islands that they were in charge of 278 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: in the South Pacific. People were looking for all sorts 279 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: of explanations, and I think for a long time people thought, 280 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, she might be found alive, even though during 281 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: World War Two we were all. 282 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: Over the region right right right. 283 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: Well, the search itself, they had nine vessels with four 284 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: thousand crew and sixty six aircraft out there looking for 285 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: it cost over four million dollars, which back then was 286 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: real money. 287 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the largest search and rescue operation of 288 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: its time, and there's been a lot of debate on 289 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: that number you just read out there. I mean, these 290 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: are servicemen that were already in the military, already in 291 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: the navy. So I mean, you know, you add up 292 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: their salaries and say, okay, it's four million dollars search, 293 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: But I mean, like they could have been sitting at 294 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: Pearl Harbor. You know a lot of these guys were 295 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: pulled from Pearl Harbor to go out and. 296 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: Do the search. 297 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: So they're still in the Navy, they're still getting paid. 298 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 3: So to say that the money was spent for meli 299 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: are is not I don't think that's I mean, the 300 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: efforts could have been done better on training. I guess 301 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: you could say, but there probably were fuel costs that 302 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 3: were used. But I mean an enormous amount of resources 303 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: were put into finding her. But I will say this 304 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: interesting thing that came out of the search was that 305 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: our maps got better. And one of the things we've 306 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 3: learned since she had the wrong map, Helen Island was 307 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: plotted incorrectly on her map by off by six miles. 308 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: Some folks say that could have contributed to her. But 309 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: by going out there, the Navy learned a lot about 310 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: the Pacific, about a lot of the islands, and you know, 311 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: I think some of that was used in preparation for 312 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: World War Two. 313 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: What people need to realize is if you're off by 314 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: six miles and you don't know which way you're lost, 315 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, let's just have a mid course correction. Well, 316 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: I noticed that that a battleship which was going to 317 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: go on a cruise for ROTC Midshipman. So they sent 318 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: a battleship all the way down. They sent the aircraft 319 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: carrier of Lexington, which was one of the two biggest 320 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: carriers we had at the time. Then that particular carrier 321 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: had sixty three aircraft. I mean, they really went all 322 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: out trying to see if they could find her. It 323 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: gives you a sense of how famous she really was. Yep. 324 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: So all of this has happened. She becomes very famous, 325 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: and there's a great mystery here. Her husband, George Putnam, 326 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: financed his own search until October thirty seven. She was 327 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: finally declared officially dead after being lost at sea. It's tragic, 328 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: but then the searches start and people have never given up. 329 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: As you're an example. Tell us about you in a sense. 330 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you're out here, you have created this company. 331 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: You're off doing something which has to be just totally absorbing. 332 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a fascinating adventure. It's start to finish. 333 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: It's been eighteen months or so. I mean, I thought 334 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: this would be an easy thing to plan, and the 335 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: more I got into it, the more I realized how 336 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: complex this is. Organizing vessels and people and equipment, you know, 337 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: mobilizing to get out to a very remote area of 338 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 3: the world has been extremely challenging. 339 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: Part of what makes it possible from your standpoint is 340 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: that you have deep sea vision. Can you describe the 341 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: company and what it does and what its unique strengths are. 342 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: So we have the latest AUV ever built in An 343 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: AUV is an autonomous underwater vehicle and it's this red 344 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,479 Speaker 3: submarine looking thing. There's nobody inside of it. It's completely autonomous, unmanned, 345 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: and it's called the Huguen six thousands. 346 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: Built by Kongsberg. 347 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: And what it does is it goes down six thousand 348 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: meters almost all the way down to the full ocean 349 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 3: depth to the seafloor about fifty meters off the seafloor. 350 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: And what it does is basically mosalon and just goes 351 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and 352 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 3: it just scanning everything it's looking at using sound, and 353 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: then it's recording all of that and then it comes 354 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: back to the surface. It's untethered, it's not connected to 355 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: the ship. We're not seeing a real time video of anything. 356 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 3: And so for thirty six hours, we don't know what 357 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 3: it's looking at. We have no idea what it's seen. 358 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: Comes back up, we put in the computer and then 359 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: we analyze all this data. And I mean it is 360 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 3: an enormous amount of data. Imagine looking at I don't 361 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: know what Long Island is, but like the area of 362 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: Long Island hundred fifty square miles and picking through it 363 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: to find one object that's twelve by eighteen meters, And 364 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: so our strength is we've got this deep water sonar. 365 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 3: And then also I knew I would need the best 366 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 3: talent to basically launch this, and I hired a guy 367 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 3: named Craig Wallace who built the Huguen six thousand in Norway, 368 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 3: and we ran into each other at a bar in 369 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: Norway while I was out there training on the system, 370 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 3: and he was just so excited and fell in love 371 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: with the idea. Finding Miliart worked for Kongsberg for almost 372 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: twenty years, and I said, why don't you come with 373 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: us and help us make this a success, And about 374 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 3: a week later it was done. He was on board, 375 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 3: so it was having him along out there, and we 376 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: specially modified the system so it could scan even wider, 377 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 3: and we had a great team of guys. I mean, 378 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: we came at this from a business perspective. Everything was 379 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: about fine tuning the cost, getting a fuel efficient boat 380 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: because the fuel you're burning out there is not negligible, 381 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: and having a small crew so things go wrong, you're 382 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: not having to deal with a lot of problems. The 383 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 3: formula was to maximize our time out there, scan the 384 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: most area if possible, and do this as smartly as 385 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: possible so we could be successful. 386 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: One of the things that you use is synthetic aperture sonar. 387 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: What is synthetic aperture so far. 388 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: So it's this idea of stretching the array out a 389 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: normal side scan. You're just sending a ping and you're 390 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: listening back a ping and you're listening back and he 391 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: creates an image of synthetic aperture sonar is you're sending 392 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: a ping numerous pings out and as the submarine is 393 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: traveling through the water, there's an antenna basically as an 394 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: array and is listening for the return sound comes, so 395 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: it hits the wall, it hits the plane, and then 396 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: it comes back right and you're creating an image. Well, 397 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 3: what this does is it's ping A goes out. You're 398 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 3: sending ping, B ping, PC ping, and you're listening as 399 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 3: the array. As the submarine is going through the water, 400 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: the antenna is almost like making it longer and longer, 401 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: so it's not actually that long, but based on where 402 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 3: its starting point was and where it's listening, you've created 403 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 3: a longer antenna and You can therefore listen to more 404 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: pings and you can create a mesh of the sound 405 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: and make a better image basically, and you can look 406 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: out further. 407 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: Is the ability to use that at the depth you 408 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: were at a new capability. 409 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: SaaS is a new thing within the last I don't know, 410 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: I say a decade. I'm not really sure it is new. 411 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 3: It's changed the game for sonar for sure. 412 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: What depth were you operating at? 413 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: About five thousand meters? About fifteen thousand feet? Yeah, everything 414 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: the ocean is measured in meters. 415 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: Well, actually, i'll probably about sixteen thousand feet. 416 00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 417 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not as deep as the Mariana Trench, but 418 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: it's deep. 419 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 2: It's deep. 420 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 3: And for reference, you have about forty five hundred feet 421 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: deeper than the Titanic. 422 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: That's wild. So you're looking for something deeper and you're 423 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: looking for a smaller. 424 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: Thing, that's right. 425 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well put yeah, So and what you do is 426 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: you just scan a grid back and forth. 427 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: That's it. 428 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: So how long were you scanning? How many weeks did 429 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: it take? 430 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: We were out there about three months. 431 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: We came about this mathematically and a little bit statistically, right, 432 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: we've divided the area. We wanted to search into sectors, 433 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 3: and we assigned probabilities to each of those sectors, and 434 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: then we also, as sign a difficulty, leveled each of 435 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: those sectors based on the terrain that we knew was 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 3: on the seafloor. And then once we could mesh those 437 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: two together, we could say, well, we want to tackle 438 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 3: the most equal probability stuff the fastest, even if it's 439 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: equal probability. But it's harder to do because you have 440 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: ravines and valleys. We'll save that for the end, but 441 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: let's cover as much territory as we can if it's 442 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: the same probability. And that was our approach, and I 443 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: think it was a good one. 444 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: When you're doing that, did you find other stuff? 445 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: We didn't find a lot. To be honest with you, 446 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: We've got a question a few times. No shipwrecks, no 447 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 3: other planes. 448 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 449 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no shipping lanes out there. 450 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: I guess it was an area that many people went to. 451 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: Now a lot of people know this, but it was attacked. 452 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 3: Holand Island was attacked. I believe this a couple of 453 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 3: days after Pearl Harbor. Just one of those weird quirks 454 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: in history. We had colonized, and use that word very loosely, 455 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: but we had colonized the line islands, Polin Island, Baker Island, 456 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: and Jarvis Island with I think five or six folks. 457 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: I think that was our signal to Japan saying, hey, 458 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 3: these are our islands out here, and Japan came by 459 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: with some of their zeros, some of their fighter planes 460 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: and straight the island killed a couple of Americans on 461 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: the island, believe it. 462 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: Or not, which is their way of saying, no, it's. 463 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 2: Not, it's not. That's right exactly. 464 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: In terms of your own background, which is fascinating. Dad 465 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: was a pilot, as you point out earlier for pan Am, 466 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: you and all of your siblings have pilot's licenses, so 467 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: it must really be in the family. 468 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: That's right. 469 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: We definitely were encouraged to fly. I was flying in 470 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: high school. I was fourteen or fifteen. My sister was 471 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 3: teaching at the Air Force Academy actually, and her husband 472 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 3: was two. So I ended up going to the academy. Basically, 473 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 3: right at the end, I decided I didn't want to fly. 474 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: It was stressing me out. I liked flying, don't get 475 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 3: me wrong. I had my license and I've flown a 476 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: fair amount since I graduated, but it just wasn't Being 477 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: a professional or commercial pilot was just not my thing. 478 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: You went to the Air Force Academy and spent six 479 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: years a lot of it with an F sixteen squadron, 480 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: so you got a fair amount of flight time. 481 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: In Yeah, I did get a couple of flights F sixteen. 482 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun. 483 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: You leave the service, you create a company. I'm assuming 484 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: it's called Quickly. It's kwkly, did I. 485 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: Guess right, that's right? 486 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's using mobile phones to connect 487 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: home buyers with agents. And then the company, which now 488 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: is Zillo, actually bought your startup. That's right, classic contraship. 489 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: And then you go all the way across the country, 490 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: having grown up in Washington State, and you end up 491 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: attending the Charleston School of Law and marrying your wife, 492 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: Melissa Moss. I mean, you're in Mount Pleasant in North Charleston. 493 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: It was a very nice area. That's a good quality 494 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: of life. But then after COVID you start thinking about 495 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: something different, which is called magnet fishing. What is magnet fishing? 496 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: So, yeah, so it was the article in read in 497 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. It's about I had not heard 498 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 3: anything about this. This is an activity that kind of 499 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 3: got started during COVID, But it's basically, you have a 500 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 3: big magnet, powerful magnet, and you have a rope tattoo, 501 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: and you just drop it off a bridge or peer 502 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: or whatever, and you just drag it along the bottom 503 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 3: of the ground and then you pull it up and 504 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 3: you see what sticks to it. 505 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: I mean you get. 506 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: Scissors and fishing gear and some people pulling guns and safes, 507 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: I mean, bicycles, I mean all kinds of crazy stuff. 508 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: And so our kids were not going to school, which 509 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 3: wasn't long down you're in South Caroline, by the way. 510 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: They ended up pretty quickly, but I went up going 511 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: out with my five. 512 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: Year old son, and this was like treasure hunting for him, right, 513 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 3: I mean didn't matter we were pulling up, you know, 514 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: a screwdriver. 515 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: It was like cool. 516 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: And so that got me thinking about what else is 517 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: out here in the oceans that could be pulled up 518 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: and that could be found, and that the idea of 519 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: finding Amelia Earhart with magnets was like the original idea. 520 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 3: But then I quickly realized this was isn't practical obviously, 521 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 3: but you know, it got me thinking, like, why has 522 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 3: this one not been solved? We're eighty seven years on, 523 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 3: We've got the technology to find it. My brother made 524 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: the comment that I think was very memories, said, this 525 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: isn't going to last much longer. It's about maybe about 526 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 3: five or ten more years on this one, and somebody's 527 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: going to find this. 528 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: So you decided why not? 529 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: You why not? 530 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: And I was doing commercial real estate, So after law 531 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 3: school I got into commercial real estate. I like, do 532 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: these chapters in my life, the Air Force tech stuff 533 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 3: and law and then commercial real estate and so now 534 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: we got the deep sea expiration. I like the different chapters. 535 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 3: It's fun and maybe one point get into policy. That's 536 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: one of the things i'd follow in your footsteps. And 537 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what fashion, but I'd like to do that. 538 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: At some point, you're sort of moving beyond the magnets 539 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: of the concept of underwater and you end up dealing 540 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: with a company in Norway. What takes you to Norway? 541 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 3: Congsberg, the company that makes these equipments, the Huguen six thousand. 542 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: They're basically the gold standard in sub sea equipment. They're 543 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: basically the only ones if you want a subse submersible 544 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: capable of going down six thousand meters. You have to 545 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: get it from them, and actually we bought it. Funny story, 546 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: it took eight months just to have them release the 547 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 3: equipment because it was such sensitive. Equipment's usually only sold 548 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: to militaries. And so here's this guy, random guy from 549 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: South Carolina. We were contacting the US embassy, folks that 550 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 3: I knew in the Pentagon, and finally they released it 551 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: on all this list of conditions. I mean, it just 552 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: kind of threw them, is like, this is not a 553 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 3: common request for somebody just coming randomly buy a deep 554 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: sea submersible equipment. We had to go to Norway and 555 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 3: do some training for about a month out there in 556 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: the Fjords, which was in December, which was super cold. 557 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: It's a pretty expensive piece of equipment, isn't it. 558 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: That's right, nine million dollars. Yeah, you were. 559 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: All in at this point. I have to ask you, 560 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: in passing, what's your wife's reaction? 561 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: Great question? 562 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 4: Skeptical, maybe less so now that you may have actually 563 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 4: found the plane. Yeah, so you take this remarkable modern technology, 564 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 4: you go to the Pacific, you spend three months, and 565 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 4: you find a reflection which looks like it has the 566 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 4: same dimensions and shape of a Lockheed Electra, which is 567 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 4: the plane that Erhart was what what was your reaction 568 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 4: when you're sitting there looking at the screen and you 569 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: suddenly see this. 570 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: I mean, it's surreal. 571 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: It was right the last day of the expedition and 572 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: everyone's frustrated, and it was a moment of realization for me. 573 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: I remember sitting down. Some folks said a few words, 574 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 3: you know, we're producing documentary. You have to watch the documentary. 575 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: Hear those words. I don't know what I'm can or 576 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: can't say on in the podcast, but it was one 577 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: of those Eureka moments. I remember thinking it, this is 578 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: the first time anybody seen the plane. If this is it, 579 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 3: this is the first time her plane has been seen 580 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: in eighty six, eighty seven years, and it was incredible 581 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: to know that there was. It's not a ghost, it's 582 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 3: not Bigfoot, it actually exists. 583 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you feel that having three pilots thinking 584 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: this through was actually an advantage over having people who 585 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: are primarily mariners dealing with ocean events. What do you 586 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: think was the advantage of being pilots. 587 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: I appreciate you asking that we came about this with 588 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: a pilot mindset. A lot of folks they dissect her 589 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 3: final thirty minutes and say, well, she would have done 590 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 3: this nice neat search grid, and she would have done this, 591 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: and she thought she was out of gas. Every turn 592 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: she made. She thought that was the last turn that 593 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 3: she had. You know, one comment that she makes at 594 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: the very end of she's low on gas. It's one 595 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 3: of the last things that she tells us, she's low 596 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: on gas. And I can tell you no pilot is 597 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 3: going to admit they're low on gas. I can promise 598 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: you that, because when you tell people that you just 599 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: admitted you've made the biggest mistake. You take off with 600 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: enough gas and you're saying I'm low on gas, you're 601 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: admitting a huge, huge mista. And that's a huge clue 602 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 3: for us because it tells us she's not low on gas, 603 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: she's out of gas. She's basically out of gas. That's 604 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: why she's selling. And there's been cases of commercial airliners 605 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: that have gone into the ground because the pilots are 606 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 3: too embarrassed to call the air traffic controller. They're polding 607 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 3: for weather and they're just too embarrassed to tell their 608 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: air traffic controller that we're out of gas. And I 609 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: mean there's more than one time that's happened, and so 610 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: for her to tell us that, and as a pilot, 611 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: I mean immediately recognize she's saying she's long gas. She's 612 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 3: admitting a huge mistake here. And I think folks, and 613 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 3: not the disparage in bates come before us. But if 614 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 3: you're in mariner, you don't think about that low and gas. 615 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: Well I'm out of gas. Well I just flowed for 616 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 3: the rest of them. That's a big problem being out 617 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 3: of gas as a pilot. The other thing was the winds, 618 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: you know. I mean you're coming into an airport. The 619 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: first thing you want to know as a pilot is 620 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: what's the wind speed? I need to know which direction 621 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: to land. 622 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 2: She did not know. 623 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: She said she was flying a thousand feet. She didn't 624 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: know what the winds were at that surface. She couldn't 625 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: communicate with the boat. And that's also something I don't 626 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: think a lot of folks have keyed in on, which 627 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 3: helped us with our analysis. 628 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: To that point. Though given the echo you're getting back, 629 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: it looks like she landed well enough that the plane 630 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: didn't break up. 631 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: That's right. 632 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 3: We always believe that she landed softly on the surface 633 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: and it didn't crack up, and I think that's a 634 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: very reasonable conclusion. There's been other exact aircraft blockheyed electors 635 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 3: that have landed on the water and did not. It 636 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: is a structurally very strong She was trying to fly 637 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: from Hawaii to Howland. That was for her first attempt, 638 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: and she crashed on takeoff. The plane was actually still 639 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 3: in good condition. And then of course she tried and 640 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: then she switched around decided to fly the other way 641 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 3: around the world. And we all agree that if this 642 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: is a debris field, we're not going to find it. 643 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: We had not tuned and filtered our sonar for small targets. 644 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm very curious Tony, what it is they had done 645 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: with the elector that made it unique and that enabled 646 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: you to sort of check off that it was probably 647 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: her plane. 648 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: There was a couple key characteristics, these twin vertical stabilizers 649 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: in the back that was very distinctive of her aircraft. 650 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: There have been others that have been built that way, 651 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: but this was very distinctive of hers. They don't really 652 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: make planes that way anymore. The center gravity is very 653 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 3: far forward on the aircraft in relationship to the nose, 654 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: and we see that with the sunar image. And thirdly, 655 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: the dimensions of the plane are very similar of the 656 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 3: sunar image are very similar to what her aircraft was. 657 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: So what is your next step, Yeah. 658 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 3: To get out there and confirm it and then get 659 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: all the interested parties involved. 660 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: We've invited the Earhart family. 661 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: To come out with us, in which they've agreed to, 662 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 3: and they're excited about anybody else that we feel has 663 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: an interest in being a part of the confirmation and 664 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 3: the verification and then ultimately, I hope the salvage of 665 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: the plane. I mean, I'd like to bring it off 666 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: and bring her home. 667 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: If you get it to the surface. Does that set 668 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: off a whole series of legal questions? 669 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: It absolutely does. It's a complex one. There's a lot 670 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: of interested parties. The plane was not insured and it 671 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 3: was a private plane, so privately owned that puts them 672 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 3: in a certain category. The area that's found is going 673 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: to make a difference. You know, how it's sitting in 674 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: the sand actually also makes a difference. So these are 675 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: things that we're going to have to kind of work through. 676 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: We're going to expect to get all the interested parties 677 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: together and we'll sort it out. 678 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: When do you think you'll go back. 679 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four? You know, hopefully we can make an 680 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: announcement on your podcast when we do. 681 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: If we can work out the details, we would love 682 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: to talk to you at some point on the boat 683 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: out there. That would be a great podcast, wouldn't that 684 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: be fun? 685 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: That would be sort of a report to the country. 686 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 3: Say what you walk about Elan must But he has 687 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: changed the world with Starlink. I tell you what when 688 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 3: we were out there in Tuvalu. He's given Starlink to 689 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 3: these islands out in the Pacific on the condition they 690 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: go out and clean up the beaches and all the pollution, 691 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: all the stuff, this garbage, and they come back every 692 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: month and if there's garbage and not taking care of 693 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: the waste properly, that he. 694 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: Pulls the starlink away from him. 695 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 3: And that, to me is just brilliant and I love 696 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 3: seeing that is a great example of a private sector solution. 697 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: Entrepreneurs actually solve. 698 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 3: Problems absolutely one hundred percent. It's this organic ground swell 699 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: of absolutely yep, you. 700 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: Know, and you might real entice a whole generation of 701 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: young people to decide to become entrepreneurs. 702 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: I hope, so you're. 703 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Doing fun things when you get out there. Let's find 704 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: out a data and we'll do an interim report while 705 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: you're out there, and then another one after you get back. 706 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: I think people will be fascinated by what you're doing 707 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: and how you're doing it. You'll be in our prayers 708 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: and you'll be on our best wishes. I think what 709 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: you're doing is exactly what America is all about. You're 710 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: going into the unknown, you're trying something that's a big risk, 711 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: and you're using your mind and science and technology to 712 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: solve something which has not been solved for almost nine decades. 713 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: Thank you a lot of the inspirations Amelia herself. She 714 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 3: was the ultimate entrepreneur, innovator. We're making a documentary on this. 715 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: It's called why Not Us? Why can't five unknown guys 716 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: solve aviation's greatest mystery? You know, whether it's the plane 717 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 3: or not. I hope it's inspiration for folks. There's this 718 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: one thing you've always wanted to do, Go do it. 719 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 3: If you're inspired, go do it. 720 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: Tony ownA, thank you for joining me on news World. 721 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: The explanation you're doing is fascinating. You are, frankly a 722 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: fascinating guy. I really hope that you have found her plane. 723 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: I look forward to being part of talking with you 724 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: as you go back. We look forward very much to 725 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 1: continuing to brief our listeners about what you're doing. So 726 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. 727 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, speaker, I appreciate it. Thanks Having on. 728 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 5: This modern world of science and invention is of particular 729 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 5: interest to women, for the lives of women have been 730 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 5: more affected by its new horizons than those of any 731 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 5: other group. Profound and stirring as have been accomplishments in 732 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 5: the remoter fields of pure research, it is in the 733 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 5: home that the applications of scientific achievement have perhaps been 734 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 5: most far reaching, and it is through changing conditions there 735 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 5: that women have become the greatest beneficiaries in the modern schemes. 736 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 5: Science has released them from much of the age old 737 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 5: grudgery connected with the process of living. Candle dipping, weaving, 738 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 5: and crude methods of manufacturing necessities are things of the past. 739 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 5: For an increasing majority today, light, heat and power may 740 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 5: be obtained by pushing buttons, and cunningly manufactured and appealing 741 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 5: products of all the world are available at the house 742 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 5: vice door. Indeed, beyond that door she need not go. 743 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 5: Thanks to the miracles of modern communication and transportation, not 744 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 5: only has applied science decreased the toil in the home, 745 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 5: but it has provided undreamed of economic opportunities for women. Today, 746 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 5: millions of them are earning their living under conditions made 747 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 5: possible only through a basically holed industrial system. Probably no 748 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 5: scientific development is more startling than the effect of this 749 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 5: new and growing economic independence upon women themselves. When the 750 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 5: history of our times is written, it must record as 751 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 5: supremely significant the physical, psychic, and social changes women have 752 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 5: undergone in these exciting decades. The impetus of the sociological 753 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 5: evolution of the last halst century should be largely credited 754 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 5: to those who have toil and laboratory, and those who 755 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 5: are translated into practical use the fruits of such labors. 756 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 5: Among all the marvels of modern invention, that with which 757 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 5: I am most concerned is, of course, air transportation. Flying 758 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 5: is perhaps the most dramatic of recent scientific attainment. In 759 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 5: the brief span of thirty odd years, the world has 760 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 5: seen an inventor's dream, first materialized by the Wright brothers 761 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 5: at Kitty Hawk, become an everyday actuality. Perhaps I am prejudiced, 762 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 5: but to me it seems that no other phase of 763 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 5: modern progress contrives to maintain such a brimming measure of 764 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 5: romance and beauty coupled with utility as does aviation. Within itself, 765 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 5: this industry embraces many of those scientific accomplishments which yesterday 766 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 5: seem fantastic impossibilities. Aviation, this young modern giant, exemplifies a 767 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 5: possible relationship of women and the creations of science. Although 768 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 5: women as yet have not taken full advantage of its 769 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 5: use and benefits, air travel is as available to them 770 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 5: as to men. As so often happens in introducing the 771 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 5: new or changing the old, public acceptance depends peculiarly upon 772 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 5: women's friendly attitudes in aviation. They are arbiters of whether 773 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 5: or not their families shall fly, and as such are 774 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 5: a potent influence. And lastly, there is a place within 775 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 5: the industry itself for women who work. While still greatly outnumbered, 776 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 5: they are finding more and more opportunities for employment in 777 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,280 Speaker 5: the ranks of this latest transportation medium. May I hope 778 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 5: this movement will spread throughout all branches of applied science 779 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 5: and industry, and that women may come to share with 780 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 5: men the joy of doing those can appreciate the world 781 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 5: most who have helped create. 782 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,479 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Tony Romeo. You can learn 783 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: more about deep Sea Vision on our show page at 784 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: newtsworld dot com. Newtsworld is produced by Gingrish three sixty 785 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guernsey Sloan and our 786 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the show was 787 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: created by Steve Penley. 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