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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. It is a Thursday here inside the
Speaker 1: s WBC podcast studio at Ford Center at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco, and this is Dak Prescott Thursday Shot. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Everson Walls, make a Spagnola, Bill Jones, But the focus
Speaker 1: is on Dak because why Mickey, Because today is his dated,
Speaker 1: his interview day. So sometime within the course of the
Speaker 1: next half hour, probably Hills, Dak Prescott will be speaking
Speaker 1: with the media here and we will give you reports
Speaker 1: as soon as we can on what he is seeing
Speaker 1: about his status for Sunday night against the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 1: I wish we could be there at Minnesota or Dak's Prescott.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think, Hannah want to see?
Speaker 1: You want to see them the practice itself? Right? I
Speaker 1: wish we had a like a I don't think the
Speaker 1: wireless mike would go that fire, right. I could stand
Speaker 1: there and just hold it, Mickey. Saw the practice, not
Speaker 1: the entire print, not the part that counts. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you go to give us the same report you did
Speaker 1: yesterday as long as yesterday's they did karaoke again, by okay,
Speaker 1: good guys do that. Yeah. I heard they were singing
Speaker 1: prints right, Yeah, they were playing prints. Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: absolutely did not want to set them up for that,
Speaker 1: yes man. Um So he continued his rehab Okay, basically
Speaker 1: kind of upgraded a little bit faster. I saw no
Speaker 1: residual effect of whatever he did yesterday, So I'm I'm here,
Speaker 1: I'm in. He's good to go. I'll just say it
Speaker 1: right now. And uh he he Actually I saw him
Speaker 1: do some running too. It wasn't just with the chords
Speaker 1: and uh he actually took a snap and did a
Speaker 1: read it read option and kept the ball and ran
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Sohow but this was for It
Speaker 1: wasn't in team. It was just in there little you know,
Speaker 1: he's messing with you guys, right well, I mean everything
Speaker 1: that does now you know, it's for the everybody. Everybody's
Speaker 1: keeping an eye and everybody. He knows every move. He's mad.
Speaker 1: I think he's having a little fun with he was
Speaker 1: throwing the ball fine. When he ran to the end zone,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's like, yeah, what are they gonna say? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know how far he ran? Like three yards right?
Speaker 1: And then they turn around and go the other way
Speaker 1: three yards right, because everybody's like, oh look that's a
Speaker 1: great wow, well the move. Did you see it? I said, well,
Speaker 1: they turned it around and then went the other way
Speaker 1: three yards sou So yeah, it looked like all systems
Speaker 1: go with him. McCarthy said that, uh, he you know,
Speaker 1: he had a good response to the workout. Um, and
Speaker 1: he was planning on kind of doing the same thing today.
Speaker 1: So um, I'm sure he'll be listed as limited and
Speaker 1: tomorrow when they have to give a designation and of
Speaker 1: the practice because they don't practice on Friday, it'll be
Speaker 1: the estimation and it'll be limited and questionable, and then
Speaker 1: he'll everyone can speculate hate a bad The cowboys better
Speaker 1: look out. Yeah, I don't think they should do before.
Speaker 1: You know what everyone's telling them about how cowboys should
Speaker 1: be real careful. As if the cowboys don't know to
Speaker 1: be very careful, right, it's so silly man. And all
Speaker 1: I know is so I went back. I mentioned it,
Speaker 1: I think yesterday, but I went back and looked at
Speaker 1: the stats. Right the twenty fourteen playoff game when Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers had a calf muscle tear they called it. It
Speaker 1: was the game against the Cowboys. He was twenty four
Speaker 1: of thirty five for three hundred and sixty. Went over
Speaker 1: this already. Man, I hate hearing those. Yes, I hate
Speaker 1: you in those numbers, and he had a quarterback rating
Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty five point four. You know
Speaker 1: why I hate hearing that because I was there and
Speaker 1: it was at eighteen sixteen. That was fourteen. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: why I hate you in that, because I was there
Speaker 1: for what happened here, yes, yeah, here right to this day.
Speaker 1: It just so, I'm thinking Aaron Rodgers played on one
Speaker 1: leg in that game, So just throw some spit on it.
Speaker 1: Let's go. Yeah, but you're gonna go ahead and very
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks on the roster. Uh would you do that?
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy said that would be a thought, okay, And
Speaker 1: so no career being the third quarterback, right exactly? I
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, who's it gonna who's it gonna
Speaker 1: cost him? Like some guy that's gonna play special teams
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think you to be little special teamers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I meaning if that's all the guys good Nickson
Speaker 1: would like that money this way to get well. No,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not calling somebody up from the practice squad.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's no need to do it if
Speaker 1: if you're gonna keep three h three quarterbacks, right so,
Speaker 1: I think as an insurance policy, I see no problem
Speaker 1: with it whatso. And as McCarthy said, it's just the
Speaker 1: nature of those calf injuries, you're still yeah, you're still
Speaker 1: concerned about it, even if he's out there playing, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and you know, they still have their two
Speaker 1: open spots on the fifty three. I think one of
Speaker 1: them might go to Kelvin Joseph. Just watching the special
Speaker 1: teams workout that we get to watch, he was working
Speaker 1: on punt return, not as a returner, as the hold
Speaker 1: up guy on the gunner. And that's not a surprise
Speaker 1: since his date is Tuesday, that they have to activate
Speaker 1: him anyway exactly though, So they may do. He may
Speaker 1: get activated and then Andy out right take up what
Speaker 1: his spots were on the special team, right so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's one of the spots that has been vacated
Speaker 1: on the roster and so we've we've settled that one.
Speaker 1: You're gonna ahead, go ahead, and you're gonna call that
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph Ris Kennedy. And so for the Brent Urban
Speaker 1: spot on the roster, what are you gonna do? Well,
Speaker 1: Dorin's Armstrong's gonna play Okay, So that's but he's already
Speaker 1: on the roster. Um you don't have to make another move.
Speaker 1: But if they wanted to, and depending on how Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop looks, you can get Michael Gallop out there also.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that you want to start him,
Speaker 1: but you might be the Yeah. Absolutely, he practiced yesterday.
Speaker 1: He did, and he was out there again today and
Speaker 1: did his rehab along with Tyron Smith and Zeke and
Speaker 1: Trayvon Digs. Those guys all were on the resistance chords
Speaker 1: with Dakh and they all looked like they were doing
Speaker 1: just fine. And then they reported to their positions, so
Speaker 1: everybody was good to go. Yeah, Tyron, that's that's that
Speaker 1: makes me feel much better. Yes, So that is really
Speaker 1: the decision. I think they've already made the decision. They're
Speaker 1: going with the three quarterbacks because of the nature of
Speaker 1: the calf injury, whatever, you just want to make sure.
Speaker 1: And so the decision would be Gallup versus the special teamer, right,
Speaker 1: somebody somebody else And and and I don't think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they do Tristan Hill after he's
Speaker 1: been out all this time, and he's had today Today
Speaker 1: was his only padded practice since the week of Game
Speaker 1: five last year. So I don't know that you do that,
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard, I guess is the only other guy I
Speaker 1: could see doing bringing up is Sean McEwan to that
Speaker 1: fifty three. And then you don't have to mess with Sprinkle,
Speaker 1: And I think he might be out of He would
Speaker 1: be because he was in the same position as Rawlston
Speaker 1: and he's he's on the fifty three. Did they end
Speaker 1: up signing him to the I'm trying did the same
Speaker 1: thing with Ralston, right yeah, and then they cut Rawlston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sprinkle is on the fifth three, right yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: but if they wanted to, what could do happen on
Speaker 1: that is when McEwen's ready, Sprinkle gets cut and then
Speaker 1: they try to put him on the practice spody exactly
Speaker 1: when they need another spot, because at some point you're
Speaker 1: going to need some more spots for all these It's
Speaker 1: amazing the management of the roster, how much more complicated
Speaker 1: it has gotten with the new rules the last couple
Speaker 1: of years due to COVID, with the three week i
Speaker 1: R and everything, yeah and uh, and the expanded practice
Speaker 1: squad and the ability to bring up guys for a
Speaker 1: certain number is it three times you can bring them up,
Speaker 1: promote them from the practice squat, I think, which is
Speaker 1: what they did with Ralston and Sprinkle, And then they
Speaker 1: had to expose Ralston the waivers. You know, once you
Speaker 1: um made that decision to you needed that roster spot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, whoever is making the final call on that
Speaker 1: each week? I mean, the head's got to be spinning.
Speaker 1: There's got to be multiple people. Oh yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: that are managing that as the weeks go along, here
Speaker 1: and so and then. The only other practice update, Lale
Speaker 1: Collins was back out there, so evidently he did well yesterday.
Speaker 1: McCarthy intimated that he got some snaps at guard said
Speaker 1: it was like riding a bicycle. He jumped right in there.
Speaker 1: But again, when we were watching them do their positional drills,
Speaker 1: when they lined up five offensive linemen, Steele was at
Speaker 1: right tackle and Collins came in after him. So the
Speaker 1: only thing I can think of with this thing about
Speaker 1: guard is maybe they want Lale Collins to be active
Speaker 1: as the backup swing tackle and also the backup left guard,
Speaker 1: because evidently they have not used that's talented. They haven't
Speaker 1: used McGovern as the left guard very much. He's always
Speaker 1: been on the right side. So we can we try
Speaker 1: out at center as well. Well. Might have to see
Speaker 1: put his hand one else, but it sounded like he
Speaker 1: had a good practice yesterday and um, so we'll see
Speaker 1: where that one goes. And you know, there's all these
Speaker 1: notions of what they're going to trade, you know, Layal
Speaker 1: Collins at the trade deadline, and all I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: why would you trade the second best tackle on your team?
Speaker 1: And I don't care if Steele starts, He's still the
Speaker 1: next best tackle to Tyrn Smith. And and don't do
Speaker 1: anything to diminish your fifty three man roster when you're
Speaker 1: five and one h and have a three and a
Speaker 1: half game lead and try to get cute, right, That
Speaker 1: just makes no sense to me. Who is saying I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell me who's saying it, But
Speaker 1: that's what Why would anyone sound you're one injury away? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you're starting tie insecky yes, okay, And that's why I said,
Speaker 1: if you let my suggestion, don't sound too excited about
Speaker 1: I mean, I just know your body language with twisting
Speaker 1: in your chair. If they can qualify Collins being the
Speaker 1: backup swing, tackled and tied in the secty doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be active for the game. And I nothing against him.
Speaker 1: He's thirty six years old and he doesn't move very well.
Speaker 1: So if you were gonna pick the most diverse offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: who would it be on this team right now? Well?
Speaker 1: And I don't mean just able to play him, I
Speaker 1: mean Zach Zack Martin. Zach Martin would be the most diverse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you could him up at any position. Yeah, right, okay,
Speaker 1: So take take the future Hall of Famer out of
Speaker 1: the mind now, thank you, thank you? Are you looking
Speaker 1: at the Collins Colin mc govern government is very very
Speaker 1: hard center, still working, and and I bet he could
Speaker 1: catch the ball too, probably, man, wait on that, that's
Speaker 1: we'll run that one in so far. That's right there
Speaker 1: with him, that's what right there with my Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: the personal protector on the Plenty special that's the big
Speaker 1: map to him, the big Mac specialist. Who's somebody somebody
Speaker 1: that I really think benefited from this bye week is Cooper,
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper. Yeah, because he's always banged out, got something,
Speaker 1: He's got something all the time, and we haven't heard
Speaker 1: a peep from him, which is a good thing. And
Speaker 1: it sounded like the way McCarthy answered the question with
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith. I think he said something to affect. It's
Speaker 1: a long season, so I think they'll go easy on
Speaker 1: him on Wednesdays and uh, make sure they're not wearing
Speaker 1: him out in practice, because that does seem to be
Speaker 1: what happens, especially the last couple of years. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you don't want to do that. So now are
Speaker 1: you on Twitter right now? I am, yes, I mean
Speaker 1: you're looking at Twitter. I was. Did you happen to
Speaker 1: see you? Mary Cooper? Is that what made you think
Speaker 1: of a mark? Because because on Twitter right now Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper talking to the media and the quote the bye
Speaker 1: week always feels longer for the body. At least I
Speaker 1: came back pretty healthy. I feel healthy. It's close to
Speaker 1: that I'll be So that was a very tight Yeah,
Speaker 1: I put it down and the other ones. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we were talking about Deck's performance. You know this uh
Speaker 1: you know what you call it, you know, the behind
Speaker 1: his rehab regiment. Yes, well not just that, but this
Speaker 1: particular moment that's coming up to where he's going to
Speaker 1: give us a you know, just kind of a preview, yeah,
Speaker 1: of what he can do. So he's gonna say still
Speaker 1: has that, he still has that session to go correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably about now, Oh we think he's doing that
Speaker 1: or before two o'clock. Yeah, and so that's gonna be
Speaker 1: the one where he tests everything. I mean, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing roll without bootlegs. No, no, you're talking, Oh
Speaker 1: he's talking the interview, No interviews. No, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: out in practice. When he's going to do the dress
Speaker 1: rehearsal today would today would be in the padded practice. Okay,
Speaker 1: So to be interesting to see how much which we
Speaker 1: can't see. Yeah, but they're going to give us a
Speaker 1: report and then now everyone's waiting on that, yeah, because
Speaker 1: the injury reports so far has him limited of course,
Speaker 1: as was Dorance Armstrong, Dak Prescott, Treyvon Diggs and tiring
Speaker 1: and for everyone out there aren't familiar with the schedule.
Speaker 1: They've practiced, and now the post practice interview with Dak
Speaker 1: is what we're waiting on, and so we will see
Speaker 1: how much Dak reveals about what he did at practice.
Speaker 1: So did he have the dress rehearsal today? And I
Speaker 1: don't mean that would be your question to Dak if
Speaker 1: you were out there right now ready to interview Dak
Speaker 1: knows ask the question for somebody's going to ask the question, right,
Speaker 1: And then the key practice will be Saturday, because they
Speaker 1: don't practice Friday. They practice Saturday, and then they get
Speaker 1: on the plane and go to Minneapolis, right exactly. Doesn't
Speaker 1: that make it nervous that they practice on Saturday? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Dak's injury, you know, basically based
Speaker 1: on how tedious this whole thing is. And well, he
Speaker 1: goes out there on Saturday. You know, we're feeling good
Speaker 1: after the dress rehearsal tomorrow, I guess or whenever that
Speaker 1: you know what it is, you won't tell anybody, So
Speaker 1: you do, you do that, then you come back on Saturday.
Speaker 1: You're feeling good, You've already given the check. Okay, you
Speaker 1: can go ahead, go with God. And he goes out
Speaker 1: there on Saturday. Yeah, but it's not a hard practice.
Speaker 1: Sort of like Danny White pulling his hamstring doing sprints
Speaker 1: on Saturday before the Denver game that year. There are
Speaker 1: so many things that you remember. Spat, I remember that that,
Speaker 1: and Randy White also hurt himself on the it's supposed
Speaker 1: walked through before that game. So Mark toooney, I think
Speaker 1: ended up playing both defensive tackle and offensive. Well, we
Speaker 1: can come present day. We can come present day on it. Right,
Speaker 1: was it last year? Yes, but that was before the game.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Yeah, you can. You can hurt
Speaker 1: yourself in pregame warm up. Oh that's right. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: but you gotta warm up, you gotta practice, and so
Speaker 1: you know, you can work yourself on the day off
Speaker 1: stepping up. Say, when I was with the Giants, they
Speaker 1: had their own tradition, Pepper LT Banks, Renee Thompson Collins.
Speaker 1: We were all out there after the Saturday practice. If
Speaker 1: we had a home game, we would stay out there
Speaker 1: and play flat football. I mean we were balling too.
Speaker 1: I mean we could have easily gotten hurting. No one,
Speaker 1: No one ever got hurt. LT got mad at me
Speaker 1: one time because I pushed them down. But otherwise everybody
Speaker 1: was no injuries at all, so go figure. Yeah, how
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Speaker 1: for details and joined today. Very professional. So it was okay,
Speaker 1: anything else you need to get to from your notes
Speaker 1: that are laid out in front of you. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the cautionary tale about as soon as somebody
Speaker 1: with a name gets released or they're available and they're
Speaker 1: old or older, Oh you gotta pick that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: experience experience, Yes, yes, So at thirty two years old,
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals signed JJ Watt to a two year,
Speaker 1: twenty eight million dollars deal with twenty million guaranteed and
Speaker 1: a twelve million dollars signing bonus that you cannot get
Speaker 1: away from. The Saldis Cap two and he just suffered
Speaker 1: a dislocated shoulder that needs surgery, and he's going to
Speaker 1: be out for the season, and they will be on
Speaker 1: the salary cap next year, and we're going to assume
Speaker 1: you can come back from the shoulder surgery. Right, but
Speaker 1: if not, fifteen million in dead money in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: two for signing JJ Watt. Okay, Let's go back through
Speaker 1: the history of JJ Watt over the last now six seasons, right, okay,
Speaker 1: and this year part of the cautionary tale. By this year,
Speaker 1: at age thirty two, he started seven games for the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, seven out of seventeen. Last year, he did
Speaker 1: play a full season for the Houston Texans sixteen starts okay.
Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen eight starts, so half a season
Speaker 1: two eighteen sixteen starts okay. He had a full season
Speaker 1: in eighteen two thousand and seventeen five starts, in two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen three starts, so he missed thirteen, twenty four,
Speaker 1: thirty two and now forty two games over a six
Speaker 1: year period, an average of seven games a season. So
Speaker 1: he's basically over the last six years only played half
Speaker 1: a season, and they gave him a twelve million dollars
Speaker 1: signing boots. What were the stats before he went that? Well?
Speaker 1: He was great, that great? He was great right the
Speaker 1: first five years of his scor two thousand and eleven,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven through two thousand and fifteen. We're
Speaker 1: talking a three time NFL Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: five time Pro Bowler, and the one of the greatest
Speaker 1: defensive players or players to play this game over that
Speaker 1: first five years of his career. And but since then
Speaker 1: he hasn't been available. Now this year, Uh, what did
Speaker 1: he have seven secks? No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't have that, man, because I think six he
Speaker 1: made a huge play. Uh if I'm not mistaken to
Speaker 1: haven win the other day, Let's see, let's see what
Speaker 1: Everson's on it there? Not seven but six sacks this year. No,
Speaker 1: I'm no, no, no no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm reading
Speaker 1: the wrong calling there, wrong calling. Okay, that would be
Speaker 1: a zero this year he has zero sexes. It's hard
Speaker 1: to sack the quarterback from that position, which is why
Speaker 1: he was so great the first five years of his career,
Speaker 1: because he was on the field his first five years
Speaker 1: of his career to run it down five and a
Speaker 1: half sacks as a rookie. Okay, and okay, you can
Speaker 1: make this comparison. He was taken right after Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: was taken in that twenty eleven draft, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: obviously had a need at tackle. But you can also
Speaker 1: look at okay, or do you get the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame defensive line? You don't question day I try, never,
Speaker 1: never ever questioned, even when JJ Watt in his second
Speaker 1: and even when JJ Watt in the second year of
Speaker 1: his career was getting twenty and a half sacks, in
Speaker 1: the third year of his career ten and a half sacks,
Speaker 1: in the fourth year twenty and a half sacks again,
Speaker 1: and in the fifth year seventeen and a half sacks.
Speaker 1: That is obviously first ballot Hall of Fame worthy and
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players to play this game the
Speaker 1: first five years of his career. But now we're looking
Speaker 1: eleven years in, he's age thirty two, and you see,
Speaker 1: is not because of injury having the ability to stay
Speaker 1: on the field the last six years. Let me pose
Speaker 1: the question to you. Let's say, and hopefully JJ Watter
Speaker 1: come back from this and he'll play another five years
Speaker 1: and be great, whatever, But to compare. I want you
Speaker 1: to compare J. J. Watt his career to Randy White.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Oh, Randy White? What do I
Speaker 1: think about? What? I mean? Give me something? I mean,
Speaker 1: had you asked me who I would take? Who has had?
Speaker 1: Who had or has had the better NFL career? Randy
Speaker 1: White or J. J. Watt, There's no doubt it's Randy Whitte.
Speaker 1: J J. Watt. Has he ever been to a Super Bowl? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: has he ever been the MVP? Well, since he had
Speaker 1: been to a super Bowl, he can't super Bowl. Let's
Speaker 1: just start right there. I mean, and this is just me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going off the rails. I take Harvy
Speaker 1: Watton over J. J. Watt. I'm sorry, what do you
Speaker 1: talk about one hundred and twenty plus sacks? See, that's
Speaker 1: the other thing they get skewed on on those players
Speaker 1: that played in the seventies prior to the NFL keeping
Speaker 1: track of sacks is uh. Now the Cowboys have gone
Speaker 1: back and track the sacks, but it doesn't get a
Speaker 1: lot of play. Like if you look on a Wikipedia page,
Speaker 1: it will not show, uh, necessarily that Harvey Martin had
Speaker 1: all the sacks that he had or the NFL dot
Speaker 1: Com it won't. So yeah, the offer. And let's remember
Speaker 1: Randy played fourteen seasons, right and at a pretty high
Speaker 1: level until maybe last there's no Parson see but I
Speaker 1: think but people who were born after nineteen ninety, you know,
Speaker 1: and Randy played through eighty nine and aren't familiar with
Speaker 1: Randy White's career through eighty eight through eighty eight, that's right, yeah,
Speaker 1: because two to always here through eighty nine. Um, but
Speaker 1: aren't that familiar with Randy White's career than the recent
Speaker 1: see bias stakes over and again. This is taken nothing
Speaker 1: away from J. J. Watt, but and to but just
Speaker 1: to tell people who did not see Randy White play
Speaker 1: what a great player Randy White was. I guess we
Speaker 1: just take it for granted that people know but because
Speaker 1: of our age, you know, right, and I familiarity with it.
Speaker 1: But to me, when you start looking at the Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: you look at the number of all pros, you look
Speaker 1: at his reputation alone, uh, and you look at the numbers,
Speaker 1: I think Randy wins pretty much hands down every time.
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily have, of course, to twenty and a
Speaker 1: half sacks and all of that, but man, he caused
Speaker 1: a lot. I think the Cowboys having credited with one
Speaker 1: hundred and eleven sacks or something like that. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: were going, yeah for a defensive time, did not know
Speaker 1: we have that many. That is a lot of sacks,
Speaker 1: and that is impressive. And we talked about the tackle position.
Speaker 1: Those guys that did the study, they went back and
Speaker 1: looked at all the old film and took Harvey sacks
Speaker 1: and took sacks into account that didn't get counted eighty two.
Speaker 1: I didn't bring that up, you know. It happened in
Speaker 1: the summer and I had I don't know what I
Speaker 1: did with the research, but there were two because eighty
Speaker 1: two was when the NFL officially counted sacks, it became
Speaker 1: an official statistic. Before that, it was just kept by
Speaker 1: the teams. So they didn't sanction all those. But these
Speaker 1: guys went back and looked at all the film from
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty on and and credited a bunch of guys
Speaker 1: with more sacks than they end up because if you
Speaker 1: look a look at Harvey Martin's stats, he only had
Speaker 1: two years that were qualified for eighty two on right. Uh.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Randy White, Uh, same thing with Ed
Speaker 1: Uh and they found all the sacks that would have
Speaker 1: been sacks that didn't get recognized. Did they give you?
Speaker 1: Do you have numbers? I did? He had Harvey Mark.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Harvey right now. Nineteen seventy seven, twenty
Speaker 1: three sacks. Okay, that's not recognized by the NFL. Okay, somebody,
Speaker 1: and sixteen sacks and seven okay, twenty three, sixteen and
Speaker 1: seventy eight. There's thirty nine, ten and seventy nine. That's
Speaker 1: forty nine, twelve and eighty. That's sixty one, ten and
Speaker 1: eighty one. That's seventy one, eight and eighty two and
Speaker 1: two and eighty three. So there's eighty one sacks over
Speaker 1: a six year period there he ended up. I think
Speaker 1: if I remember Cuck like in the top ten of
Speaker 1: all time sacks, Harvey, it moved him or whatever his
Speaker 1: number was, it moved him up at least ten or
Speaker 1: you know what's so funny if you would if I
Speaker 1: would call this is like around twenty years ago, everybody's
Speaker 1: talking about he needs to be in here and needs
Speaker 1: to be in there. Ring of Vanda Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: They had actually done a of some type of correction
Speaker 1: and they took away two of his sex. I believe
Speaker 1: he was a credit with one twenty three at one
Speaker 1: time and they dropped it down the one twenty one.
Speaker 1: According to Cowboys stats, Martin is unofficially credited with a
Speaker 1: total of one hundred fourteen sacks according to these Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page I'm looking at right now, um, which is a
Speaker 1: nice little exercise Shannon's doing. When they do the I
Speaker 1: think it's called cross talk on Wednesday night, they bring
Speaker 1: back a former player and he gets on their Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page and says, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna give you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you five facts. Tell me if they're accurate. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. And so the twenty
Speaker 1: three sacks season was in nineteen seventy seven. It was
Speaker 1: at a fourteen game season. Yes, it was the last
Speaker 1: four last fourteen game season, seventy eight, so impressive sixteen yeah,
Speaker 1: and then went to strike you in eighty two, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is why his numbers were down there, and he
Speaker 1: had and ever since too, right of course, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had seven picks in Yeah, we're not talking about me,
Speaker 1: all right, So we are in agreement. Then on Randy White, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and will throw Bob Lillian there too. Yeah, yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and you would expect that. Here we're talking. We're talking tackles,
Speaker 1: but we're talking tackles. They're having a good different conversation
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Speaker 1: just went a little too fast. Yeah, I thought I
Speaker 1: thought Jack, Mike went out. You just froze up. You
Speaker 1: didn't just stop during that moment where when you froze up?
Speaker 1: How long did it feel like? Five seconds? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: did feel like it was Probably it's probably a second
Speaker 1: in the hand, right, That's one of the that's one
Speaker 1: of the things when you're on television and you're trying
Speaker 1: to keep going. You've got to keep going, but like
Speaker 1: you'll lose your train of thought and you just freeze
Speaker 1: in your mind. You freeze, and it feels like thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: You're stuck with thirty seconds. Tried to find that word.
Speaker 1: But actually the people at home a lot of times
Speaker 1: they don't even notice that. Now they don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, it's just did you have that, Mick,
Speaker 1: did you have that panic feeling that I don't know
Speaker 1: where to go next? I'm sure our press doesn't. I
Speaker 1: used to do that on those pregame shows. By the way. Actually,
Speaker 1: Zeke did it again yesterday. He was answering a question
Speaker 1: and he kind of got into the middle of his answers,
Speaker 1: got into his middle of his answers, and then there
Speaker 1: was just yes, and it was just this law. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a pregnated pause and he goes and you
Speaker 1: know what he goes. He goes, He goes, Oh, did
Speaker 1: it again, because he's done it multiple times? Right, he
Speaker 1: gets it. He gets in the middle of an answer,
Speaker 1: he forgets what the question was. Hey, we've been there.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, he gets to talk in I forget
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. Absolutely, I forget what I'm talking about. Hey,
Speaker 1: how about those vikings? Yeah, how about those vikings? What
Speaker 1: are you gonna do to beat those Vikings on Sunday night. Um,
Speaker 1: my key running game, my key to victory is going
Speaker 1: to be better score a bunch of points, because I
Speaker 1: think you're going to give up a bunch of points. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm somewhat worried about the defense. I am too, And
Speaker 1: I don't know what everyone thinks about in this room.
Speaker 1: Around the league, everyone's so quarterback happy and prejudice and discriminatory.
Speaker 1: I think Kirk Cousins plays above his head every week
Speaker 1: and that makes me nervous because he can be he
Speaker 1: can inspire his team very well. We talked about the
Speaker 1: bad the bad win the bad losses, but the I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the close losses and the lucky wins that they had,
Speaker 1: and you look at how well they played against some
Speaker 1: decent teams. I don't feel comfortable about them coming in here,
Speaker 1: especially with the good wide recy where they have good
Speaker 1: wide receiver verse. Sorry, thank you very much. Don't know
Speaker 1: much about the running game. Talk to me. Dalvin Cook
Speaker 1: is back in the saddle. I remember he was hurt
Speaker 1: for me. It was hurt. Yeah, he's back and uh
Speaker 1: he's one game, good game. Previous game last week had
Speaker 1: he had one hundred some yards. Yes, and Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: is completing sixty nine point five percent of his passes.
Speaker 1: He's got thirteen touchdowns, two interceptions. Good, and he's got
Speaker 1: a one oh five point four quarterback. Sounds very familiar
Speaker 1: and his targets. Just Jefferson's forty one catches for five
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two yards, three touchdowns, and then Theeland
Speaker 1: thirty seven catches, five touchdowns. And of course Justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: was a Pro Bowler as a rookie last year, had
Speaker 1: eighty eight catches for fourteen hundred yards and seven touchdowns
Speaker 1: his rookie season out of laeland has been in the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl twice. And he caught a one hand on
Speaker 1: us if I'm not mistaken, and not only they've got
Speaker 1: a one two punch at running back, just like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do with Zeke and Tony Pollard. This season, Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: as you alluded to Everson, He's missed a couple of
Speaker 1: games with injuries. But Alexander Madison comes in and runs
Speaker 1: for over one hundred yards in the games that Cook missed,
Speaker 1: and so his last game, Cook's last game against Carolina
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty yards on twenty nine carries, so
Speaker 1: they really ran the ball and against Arizona at one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one yards on twenty two carries, while
Speaker 1: Madison had one hundred and twelve against Seattle and thirteen
Speaker 1: against Detroit. And just to remind you of last year,
Speaker 1: although the Cowboys came back after trailing twenty eight twenty
Speaker 1: four with nine thirty seven left, they came back to
Speaker 1: score and win the game against Minnesota Dalvin Cook and
Speaker 1: so this probably not representative this defense, but last year
Speaker 1: he rushed for one hundred and fifteen yards, Land had
Speaker 1: eight catches for one hundred and twenty two, and the
Speaker 1: rookie Jefferson had three for eighty six, including a thirty
Speaker 1: nine yard touchdown. So to me, this game is gonna
Speaker 1: come down. And they finished with four hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: yards total offense, Cousins through for three oh five and
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. He had one hundred and forty quarterback rating.
Speaker 1: So to me, you know, whatever the Cowboys offense does,
Speaker 1: this defense, I think this is the test now where
Speaker 1: they're at. This is going to be arguably the best
Speaker 1: quarterback they've played since Herbert. Yeah, Herbert, though he smirked,
Speaker 1: he must not think much of Justin Herbert not too much. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: Well you had Brady and Herbert to start this size
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then you had Sam Darnold who's
Speaker 1: fading quickly with us Hurt Hurts who have already faded,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones who's kind of coming on, and then Mac
Speaker 1: Jones who's yea now right, you gotta look aod they're playing,
Speaker 1: so yes, not get to it. So Kirk Cousins would
Speaker 1: be the best quarterback, and they've had problems defending the past. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and Diggs interceptions can't really which, by the way, camouflage.
Speaker 1: So if you're the defensive coordinator, you got to go
Speaker 1: up against Jefferson and feeling if how are you going
Speaker 1: to play the corners? You're gonna put Digs on one
Speaker 1: of them, you're gonna double the other. What would you do?
Speaker 1: I would rather put Diggs on the more experienced wide receiver. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think he is an amazing Why that? I don't
Speaker 1: think he is dynamic as Jefferson. That's why I would
Speaker 1: rather put Brown and maybe double help out with a
Speaker 1: safety because you're when you're looking at that figure and
Speaker 1: you're looking at a steady diet. You're not looking for
Speaker 1: just a big play. He can do that as well.
Speaker 1: But he's extremely efficient at moving the chains, so he's
Speaker 1: going to be intermediate routes are going to be part
Speaker 1: of his bag. And when you're get in the red zone,
Speaker 1: we saw what he can do in the red zone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very smart. Okay, he's got the intellect of Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: and Cooper and those guys. So what you're looking at
Speaker 1: is what you saw in practice, all those training count
Speaker 1: practices that you had. This is the game where you
Speaker 1: get this. That's what you're preparing for, these types of
Speaker 1: games where you know Kirk Cousins is really playing well.
Speaker 1: His numbers look just like Dax, so you can't just
Speaker 1: take him for granted. And he's got a running game
Speaker 1: behind him, right man, you're talking. You're looking to Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense and their third receiver. kJ Osborne's in his
Speaker 1: second year or fifth round draft pick last year. He's
Speaker 1: got twenty six catches this year and so he's emerged
Speaker 1: this year. And when you when you're looking at teams
Speaker 1: like this, just like with the Cowboys, what did the
Speaker 1: tight ends look like? Bill? Well? The tight end position
Speaker 1: for them. Tyler Cocklin has twenty two catches for two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards and a touchdown. Chris Herndon is
Speaker 1: they're blocking tight end, so and they're two tights, and
Speaker 1: then Ben Ellipson is another one. Any small, any small quarterback,
Speaker 1: just like that. They know how important their tight end is.
Speaker 1: You can look at all the fluff on the outside
Speaker 1: and then slide all you want. It's the tight ends
Speaker 1: that really get you those much needed yards when you
Speaker 1: need the chain. Move on Herndon, he had thirty one
Speaker 1: catches last year. He hasn't put up the numbers this year.
Speaker 1: But the thing that they've done, Oh go ahead, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, but Cocklin's a first down waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: He's averaging almost eleven yards and catch. Our linebackers are
Speaker 1: gonna get work. Well, you're talking about cooks are not
Speaker 1: just running, but you're also talking about receiving. But what
Speaker 1: they've done, boy, Minnesota has done that. They're getting more
Speaker 1: and more credit for it now. Is they've invested in
Speaker 1: their offensive line. Their offensive line is much better than
Speaker 1: what it was a couple of years ago. That's why
Speaker 1: what they've done and I can run it down real quick.
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, they spent a first round draft pick on
Speaker 1: their starting center, Garrett Bradberry twenty eighteen. The year before that,
Speaker 1: a second round pick on their right tackle, Brian O'Neill,
Speaker 1: who's one of the more underrated players in the league.
Speaker 1: First round draft pick this year, twenty third overall, Christian
Speaker 1: Deisaw just started his first game. He had an injury
Speaker 1: to start the year, and he just started his first
Speaker 1: game against Carolina. So there's two first round picks and
Speaker 1: a second rounder there on their offensive line at the
Speaker 1: center and the two tackle positions. And then Ezra Cleveland
Speaker 1: is a starting guard who last year as a second
Speaker 1: round draft pick. So we're talking two first and two
Speaker 1: seconds on their offensive line. All of that sounds so familiar.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Yeah, it works too, doesn't it, because
Speaker 1: then you can run the football. And you know what,
Speaker 1: by the way, speaking of running the football, uh, last year,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys ran for one hundred and eighty yards on
Speaker 1: the Vikings. So and that was got have been Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton at quarterback, right right? It was? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: so they did run on him. And I heard Zeke
Speaker 1: was talking about he mentioned that he said the Vikings
Speaker 1: like to play a lot of shell coverage. I guess,
Speaker 1: meaning keeping the safeties over the top. He said, So
Speaker 1: that means we need to run the foot. Make him
Speaker 1: bring those safeties down right. When you bring them down,
Speaker 1: then I will receivers get the feed. Xavier Woods, Oh
Speaker 1: that's safety for the Vikings. Wow, forgot all about him.
Speaker 1: The feather one's pretty good. Harrison Smith's five time pro bowler.
Speaker 1: He's Patrick Peterson's out, he's on engine reserve. Yeah, once
Speaker 1: again those old contracts. Yeah, there you got. Mickey started
Speaker 1: here and I see where Daniel hun has six sacks
Speaker 1: in six games. Yep. But you know what I noticed
Speaker 1: three of those half his sacks against Arizona. Against Arizona.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. And then the same thing I saw
Speaker 1: somebody going, well, Everson Griffin's really playing well for him. Well,
Speaker 1: he's got eleven tackles in five games, but he's got
Speaker 1: four sacks, but two of them came against Detroit. Well.
Speaker 1: And one thing on Hunter, Mike McCarthy been talking with
Speaker 1: him about him the other day on the Coaches Show.
Speaker 1: He has a lot of respect for him. He's played
Speaker 1: against him enough that he has and it's not and
Speaker 1: it's not just his sacks, right, he's a discipline player.
Speaker 1: He has a lot of respect for the way plays
Speaker 1: the run. And he's one of those defensive linemen who
Speaker 1: you know, most teams they'll rotate in defensive lineman where
Speaker 1: you're only playing about thirty five snaps a game. Well,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that gets sixty five snaps
Speaker 1: a game. So he's on the field all the time.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a workhorse. So he's been It's been
Speaker 1: big for them to have him back this year because
Speaker 1: he missed all last year with a neck injury. Right,
Speaker 1: And he's got a bunch of tackles too. It's not
Speaker 1: just sacks, right, he can be destructed and he usually
Speaker 1: lines up on the left side, So that'll be Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele versus Daniel Hunter. So you like that, Well, we'll
Speaker 1: see you on Sunday. Y. What happened to the optimism bill?
Speaker 1: Come on? Just probably? Yeah, I can't wait go get
Speaker 1: him steal you. You have not been exposed to my
Speaker 1: love for Daniel Hunter draft. I wanted to draft Daniel
Speaker 1: Hunter in the first round of that draft. I think
Speaker 1: you said that yesterday, Yeah, and he I say that
Speaker 1: every day. Even when the Cowboys aren't playing, and so
Speaker 1: he was to take a look at this kid. I'll
Speaker 1: send you a picture of him when he was at LSU. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: which got me mesmerized. When he was twenty years old.
Speaker 1: He came out at age twenty, did not have very
Speaker 1: much much in the way of stats at LSU in
Speaker 1: his career, but you could just see if you watch
Speaker 1: the film of him, the potential that was there. And
Speaker 1: obviously Mike Zimmers saw it, but nobody else in the
Speaker 1: league did because he'd waited. He was still available the
Speaker 1: eighty eight dick in the draft. You haven't thought to
Speaker 1: be a scout? What I do? Remember? What I know?
Speaker 1: I miss on a lot of them. I just don't
Speaker 1: talk about it in ten years. In ten years, I
Speaker 1: aren't going to be saying I told them the draft.
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, that's right, that's right, that's right. But I
Speaker 1: do remember on Draft night we were sitting over at
Speaker 1: Valley Ranch and I was on a show with Dame
Speaker 1: Brugler and Brian brought us. I came in and right
Speaker 1: before they picked Randy Gregory and the Cowboys were on
Speaker 1: the clock. Okay, what do you do do? You pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on Randy Gregory here, and I remember saying, well,
Speaker 1: I would have pulled the trigger on Daniel Hunter in
Speaker 1: the first round. He's still here. That's the guy that
Speaker 1: I want. So but anyway, yeah, so all right, we
Speaker 1: won't talk about it. Were so okay, who gets the
Speaker 1: most sacks on Sunday Night? Is it Randy Gregory or
Speaker 1: against their first round draft pick Derrissol? You go Hun,
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele. I'll talk more about that, all right. I
Speaker 1: think I gotta pick click there you go. All right.
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